How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: The Happening

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

June and Paul chat about his love of scaring people, Billy Zane's Titanic ethical dilemma, and go behind the scenes of Paul's memoir. Plus, Paul responds to your corrections and omissions from The Happening, shares a bonus scene from The Happening live show, and announces next week's movie. Listen to the rest of Paul's episode of The Deep Dive on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more on bad movies!Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaFor extra content on Matinee Monday movies, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerTalk bad movies on the HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmPaul and Rob Huebel stream live on Twitch every Thursday 8-10pm EST: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social media

What did Mark Wahlberg actually think about the happening? M. Night, what happened? And why I told June in our wedding vows, I would never put her on Scare Tactics. All this and more on today's How Did This Get Made? Last looks hit the theme. I took a look, ooh, my name is Paul. And I did not like what I saw,

but you know we gotta look again. Last looks, last looks. Hello, all you Tier Missou loving adulterers. I'm your killer tree, Paul Sheer, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Last Looks. I'm not gonna lie to you people, I got the fort, that's right.

I am homebound with COVID, but nothing will stop me from delivering to you another episode of Last Looks. Because it's an important episode, an important episode where we are gonna break down the happening, a movie the Discord user, Elaine Smith thinks should have had the tagline, I tree dead people. I like that. Good job, Elaine. And also

instead of chatting with Jason this week, I'll be chatting with June. That's right. We are gonna be playing a little excerpt from last week's deep dive. We're also gonna share an exclusive deleted scene from the happening episode. And as always, I will reveal next week's movie. But first things first, a big shout out to Judy Ford for that hauntingly beautiful opening theme. Thank you, Judy. I loved it. We love these songs so much.

And if you have a Last Looks theme song that you want to, you know, send us, you can do it at howdidsgetmade at earwolf.com but keep them short 15 to 20 seconds is best. Joyful recollections of trauma is still available wherever you get your books, your audiobooks, your ebooks. I've been blown away by the reaction to the book. I really cannot tell you what it means to me. It's been overwhelming, but keep on posting up your reviews on Goodreads and Amazon because it helps get the book out to different people's hands.

And I'm actually on Storygraph, which is really fun. It's like a letter box for books. But let's get into it. Last week, we talked at length about the happening. Well, we had questions, and we might have even missed a few things. Here is your chance to set a straight. Fact check us if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions.

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Your corrections and omissions. Corrective. Corrective. Correct give to me, give to them. Your corrections and a wish. Wish. Wish. Wish. Wish. Wish. Wish.

Thank you, Brian B for that theme song. We are going right to the Discord. Dr. Guts, 10.03 writes, in the scene at the diner in Filbert, somebody stands up and says, whatever this is, it looks like it's not occurring about 90 miles from here. Everyone then immediately gets up and says, whatever this is, it looks like it's not occurring about 90 miles from here. Everyone then immediately gets up and heads to their cars

in the wacky racist scene that Jason mentioned. Now two problems with this. First, the person never gives a direction. Is it 90 minutes south, west? Who knows? Secondly, aren't the majority of the people at the diner, the same people who were stranded by the train? Whose cars are they getting into? Well, first of all, Dr. Gutz, the same people who were stranded by the train? Whose cars are they getting into?

Well, first of all, Dr. Gutz, the cars is a great point. The first point though, I think I brought that up too. What direction? 90 miles could go anywhere. But yes, the cars, unless everyone was just jumping in with other people like the movie did make it, like I think a lot of people

were doing hitchhiking that day. Tina 1790 says, I have a theory about mood rings. In the scene with the couple in the greenhouse, the man gives his theory on how plants react to human emotions. I think the mood ring was supposed to play into that theory because Mark Wahlberg looks at this before he leaves to meet with Zooey Deschanel at the end,

as if he knows the color implies that he's calm enough not to upset the plants. So that's why he goes to her. Tina 1790, I love the amount of work that you're doing. And if that is the case, this entire movie revolves around a mood ring. It now truly is one of the best movies ever made. Anna Querius writes, in an interview with Collider, while Mark Wahlberg was doing press for The Fighter, he said that Amy Adams was in consideration

for the Zoe part, but passed on it. And here's his quote, "'We had actually had the luxury of having lunch before "'to talk about another movie, "'and it was a bad movie I did. "'She dodged a bullet. I don't wanna tell you what movie. All right, the happening, fuck it.

It is what it is. Fucking trees, man. The plants, fuck it. You can't blame me for not wanting to try to play a science teacher. I mean, at least I wasn't playing a cop or a crook. Well, there he is, Mark Wahlberg. I didn't know he came out against this movie.

Way to go, Mark. Let's go to the phones. Darren, what do we got? Hey, Paul. I've been a happening defender with my group of friends. I still have an appreciation for it, and I know, not for good reasons. But I do remember this being hyped up quite a bit

as the first R-rated M. Night Tramwon movie. He was able to kind of go full force and unhinged and do his like full vision. But that always was kind of strange to me because I don't really know what his previous movies may have been missing that prevented him from being like the full versions of what they could have been by a PG-13 limited rating. So my question I guess is, what are your thoughts on like Sixth Sense or Signs or Unbreakable? Are there R-rated scenes that would have made those films better or improved versions of what they were and were they actually held back or was this kind of just wasted effort and that was the only thing they could really scrape together to try and hype and promote this movie, since clearly the writing left a lot on the table

for what we wanted as fans. Either way, love the show. Thanks, bye. No, I actually don't think that it would be better if M. Night made R-rated films. I don't think that's the problem with his films. I mean, the best comparison you can make to M. Night is that he is our modern-day Hitchcock. And Hitchcock didn't make R-rated films. I grew, the best comparison you can make to M. Night is that he is our modern day Hitchcock and Hitchcock didn't make all rated films. I grew up loving Hitchcock. I'm sure many people have grown up loving M. Night movies. I just think they have maybe

better twists and turns. I don't think that anything is holding that back that is making a movie PG or PG-13. I think it really is just straight up plotting. I would say better third act more than a different writing. Let's go to Lee from Ontario. Lee from Ontario Hey, Paul, regarding the happening, okay, man, I'm just I'm so curious on your opinion, specifically about the writing of the dialogue for the characters in this movie. Because, I mean, we've seen, you know, M. Night write great movies, since it's unbreakable. Great characters, great, you know, great movies. But in this movie, for

the characters, they do that one thing where bad characters and bad movies do where they just like, they reduce the one thing. You know, Wahlberg is a science teacher, so he like legitimately says science 10 times in the first seven minutes. Like guys, you got to open up your science books. If you just listen to science more, Jacob, it'll explain why your face is going to get worse when it gets older. I'm just kidding. It's all about science. You know, and like Johnny Legs is like, I'm a math teacher, so I'm just going to keep talking about math. And like, you're a traumatized little girl, let's do a fucking math riddle a little like this The only thing that that character is even known for you know

So I'm just kind of curious on your thoughts why and how he can go from writing characters and movie movies to How did how did this happen? Anyway, yeah Love you for your thoughts and also I love the book. Thanks so much. It was a fantastic book. Have a great day. First of all, thank you so much for loving my book. Secondly, Lee, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, right? There are so many cases of this happening

with people that we love, you know? My gut would be that maybe he's walled himself off from human interaction because that's really the thing that I go to in these movies. my gut would be that maybe he's walled himself off from human interaction because that's really the thing that I go to in these movies. This and old, it's not the way that people speak to each other, not even like, it's not even like something you would overhear.

It's like he's not out in the world. And I don't know if it's an old timey way of doing things or maybe it's like an experiment in being almost very bald in your dialogue writing, but it is so bizarre that you stop and go, this is an alien. This is not a, and I don't know what that is, but the only thing I could assume is that he's been insulated from maybe even reading other people's stuff or

interacting in the world although that sounds insane because I'm sure he's a lovely guy who's out hanging out in Philadelphia but I don't know I mean it's so bizarre that you're right I don't think it's just characters I think it's dialogue too he's lost his ear it, but yet he's got these great premises. Maybe it's a world in which he needs to pair up with somebody else. I don't know. What a good question. Anyway, back to the Discord. Mitch Cappa writes, I couldn't believe that our introduction to our hero science teacher is him telling his class that there are just some things we'll never know because there are quote-unquote unknown forces. My guy, the entire point of science is turning those unknown

forces into known forces. Boom! Mitch Cappa slamming it down. Yeah, this is probably one of the worst representations of a science teacher you could possibly ever see. And not like Mark Wahlberg is bad at acting as a science teacher, just the dialogue for Mark Wahlberg, again, going back to Lee's issue, so bizarre. Graham S. writes, I feel like the direction that M. Night gave Mark Wahlberg was,

pretend Dirk Diggler eventually made his way out of porn, went to grad school and ended up teaching science in Pennsylvania. There's a naivete or perhaps a bewilderment to both performances in my opinion. Gram S, you are incredibly right. I think that sometimes that's something that's carried over in a lot of Wahlberg's performances,

but I would love the idea that Mark Wahlberg was a substitute teacher. He was, Dirk Diggler became a substitute teacher and then no one really asked him and he just became the head of the science department. Chrissy McConnell writes, I'm sorry, but why was there no trio storm in this episode? Well, you know what, we can only do it. We can't go to the well that much.

We got a bio storm, We got a geo storm. If we do a trio storm, it feels to me like we're going to that well too much, Chrissy. We can't, you know, we gotta give it to you when you least expect it. If you're in the audience, maybe we would have adopted it, but I don't think so. We can't just, this is like the same thing about

is it a Jacob's Ladder scenario. Bend it, don't break it, Chrissy. All right, so many great corrections and omissions this week, but I can only be one winner. And I gotta say, you know, there's something about this. Every question is really good and eye-opening, but the thing that really like brought me to this movie in a different way for me is Anna Aquarius

finding this interview with Collider with the great Mark Wahlberg where he shits on the movie. For such a long time we didn't want to do this movie because we felt like oh we we know people involved and maybe they really love it but now we know that they don't and Anna Aquarius for showing us that that's the case you get this amazing song from Scarecrow. Hit it! dinner, some movie tickets, a soundtrack CD, nope, you just win this stupid song from me. Thank you Scarecrow for that song. Remember, if you want to submit an alt movie tagline or chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode,

hit up the Discord at Discord.gg slash HDTGM or call us at 619-PAUL-ASK. All right, coming up after the break, June and I will do a deep dive on some of the stories in my book and as always, I will announce next week's movie. But first, I want to share with you all a bonus deleted scene from the Q&A portion of the happening live show where June reveals What she mistakenly thought Zoe Deschanel's character was named take a listen

All right. Yes, your name and your question, Seth Just wanted to call attention to the last airbender patch on the backpack at the end of the movie that he was foreshadowing Yeah, Jess's backpack is a last airbender backpack. I noticed that as well. Wow. He's really letting it go. By the way, speaking about foreshadowing, I've never seen foreshadowing. I guess foreshadowing, what's the opposite of that? Full sunning? When she goes, oh yeah, well this is a separate house and there are two rooms.

And you can hear through a tunnel system that we have. Betty Buckley sets up the end so clearly like well of course they're gonna go there like yeah like it's so crazy you're gonna steal my stuff yeah in the very beginning of the movie at the train station I also have to admit I was very confused because I thought Jess called Zoe Des Deschanel Grandma. It took me, and it took me a while. I heard Grandma, and I couldn't catch, I don't know if anyone else struggled this, I couldn't catch her name.

Now I understand it's Alma. Nobody was saying it in a way I could hear it. I heard Grandma, alma. Alma? Grandma, grandma, alma. It was one of Jess's six lines. I'm scared. Okay, yes, what's your name in your question?

Nick, this is not my theory, but in the M. Night Shyamalan movie After Earth, Will Smith says that everything on Earth has evolved to kill humans. So is this perhaps a prequel? Well, this is interesting that you bring this up because there is a Reddit theory, and a good Reddit theory... God help us all! That the twist of this movie is... Aliens.

That we... Where is it? It's so much of a twist, it's not even revealed to us. It's so much of a twist. This is Reddit. This is Reddit. But I will say, that would be better. I would like it if there was a villain at the end that was like somehow like manifested. Like you cut to a spaceship with two aliens and they're like, oh good job.

Like you know. Those are the aliens? Good job. And then one goes, thank you. Did you audition for that part? Yeah, they didn't get it. So mad. What's up idiots? It's Jason here, busting into the episode for a last minute plug. Star Trek Prodigy Season 2 out now on Netflix! Baa baa baa baa baa! That's right, Prodigy is back! We're on Netflix now, the show is absolutely fantastic. Please, if you can, watch this show.

It needs your eyeballs, It needs your views. Watch every episode on Netflix. Auto-play it. Tell your friends. Spread the word. Star Trek Prodigy is the best. Star Trek in the biz. Alright, eat shit everybody. How'd it just get me? How'd it just get me? Alright, welcome back. Now I'm sure you've noticed that every Monday we re-release old How did this get made episodes back into our feed this week's matinee Monday is M night

Chum lawns old and next week will be the original sharknada with guest Scott Aukerman Why sharknada you ask? Well, if you keep on listening, you'll find out a little later in this episode All right, so we're gonna do something a little bit different than just our regular Just Chat segment. We're actually gonna do another crossover, a podcast crossover with the Deep Dive. So June, take it away. Now let me ask you something, genuinely. Why do you like to spook and scare so much? What is that?

What is that? What is that? It's a really interesting thing that you say that because I, I don't. I didn't introduce you. Oh, hi. Do you think I'm Dan O'Brien? I know, but I want, I do want to give you a formal introduction because now every introduction

you have from here until your obituary will include New York Times bestselling author Paul Scheer is here on the deep dive to talk about his book, his memoir, as Chris Jenner would say, Joyful Recollections of Trauma. So that's how you're going to be introduced. Those words will come before your name always. I mean, it seems really like a weight that I enjoy carrying, but it feels like it, it is a big weight. It feels big. It feels massive. New York Times, baby. New York Times. New York Times. So but to go back to my first hard hitting

question, why what we don't really I don't think you get into it in the book, but what is it? Actually, I wonder, I wonder if this is going to be a natural segue into ADHD, the ADHD chapter, because what is it? What is it you're seeking when you seek to scare? What is that? Honestly, I don't know, because there's nothing in me that wants to scare you. I don't want you to be scared, but it seems like in good humor, I don't mind you being scared. I don't want to really scare you.

As a matter of fact, last night we're here on a vacation and I went out the front door and I realized, oh, the car was parked on the side, not in the front. So as I was walking by the kitchen, I saw you in the kitchen and I stood by that window. And then, and then It's almost scary to learn about the times I've been potentially scared. Oh, and then I realized I shouldn't do this and I walked away. Good. That's progress. But then what's so fun about scaring you,

and this is what people don't understand, you and I, and I remember this so vividly, we were cleaning out this garage space that we had at our first apartment together. And we were going through things and talking, having a conversation just like this. I turned my head, not my body, I turned my head. I threw a mask on and then I turned to you

and you freaked out as if I jumped out of a closet. And that to me made me like, so, like that's, ah, like where did I go? It's like you were talking to a zombie this entire time. Like that's... Like, where did I go? It's like you were talking to a zombie this entire time. I don't know, but that turn, we didn't move proximity. I just turned my head. I think what the audience doesn't know is that you...

And maybe, I think I truly fell in love with you when we moved in together and I saw you had a giant box. Boxes are a big part of your memoir and all the boxes and your collections, but you had a box that was titled with, that had a label on it. This is a big box that said wigs and mustaches. Yeah, because I, as a purveyor of sketch comedy, I had to make sure. When I saw your box of wigs and mustaches, I thought, I do love this man

I do love this man. I mean I love I love a good disguise I'll tell you though that there's a moment in my childhood Not in the book Where my stepfather did this thing and my mom was complicit in this as well. I had friends over and we were gonna be camping in the backyard. This is like a big thing in my youth. We would set up a tent in the backyard.

Okay, I didn't know. And so my friends are gonna come over and we're gonna camp out in the backyard. And so we had set up our tent and we were doing whatever we were doing in the backyard. My mom and my stepdad called me into the house. They said, you know, we don't want you to sleep outside tonight. We were like, why, why? We were so upset.

This is our sleepover. Well, we just heard on the radio that this man escaped from the mental institution, a pig-nosed man had escaped. And he's on the loose. And the police say they don't want anyone outside. And we're like, it's fine, Mom. It's fine. We'll be okay, we'll be okay.

So we, now I know everyone knows where the story is going, but I'll continue it anyway. We go out to the tent and we go to sleep. And as we're in the tent, me and my three friends, we hear this rustling in the backyard. And it's not a dog, it's not anything we don't know when we hear it. And now the tent had a mesh window on the side of it and my stepfather all of a sudden ran up to that window. We heard those footsteps going really, really quick,

ripped open the mesh window and then pushed his nose up to me like a pig nose facing start going, mesh window and then pushed his nose up to me, like a pig nose facing, he started going, and we freaked out, we ran, and we ran out. And that was a... Seminal scare. A seminal scare, and it's a scare that like we, I feel like there was an energy of we like to scare, we are scaring a lot of boos,

a lot of like jumping out at people. I don't know why. I don't love it particularly either, but I also sometimes really enjoy your reaction to it. Well, but it's not to hurt or harm you. I know that. For the listeners who don't know this, I don't think I've ever shared this, but on our wedding day, one of Paul's vows was to never put me on scare tactics. A vow which?

You have kept. I have kept now in my defense, at that point, I think scare tactics was potentially over. So I'm also wanting you to know that as we record this, reboots also are included in this. Like this is across the board. It's fun for you to know. And I would say anything that's scare tactic adjacent

that has ultimately the same premise doesn't have to be scare tactics, TM, It's fun to know. And I would say anything that's scare tactic adjacent that has ultimately the same premise doesn't have to be scare tactics, TM. It just has to be in the world. I would never put you on a prank. I would never put you on a prank. As a matter of fact. I really appreciate that. I said to you, now,

I think you're one of the most wonderful, resilient, resourceful people I know, but that's why I also said to you, I don't want you to go on Survivor. I want you to, I wanna protect you from all that stuff. I don't think that you need to also said to you, I don't want you to go on Survivor. I want you to, I want to protect you from all that stuff. I don't think that you need to subject yourself to that. You could do it if necessary.

If survival was at stake, yes. We don't need to put you through that just for a... Well, we were just with one of my high school friends who said, who told a story I had forgotten about when the two of us were in Florida together when we were in seventh or eighth grade and we were sent out on a jet ski in the inner coastal that we actually in the ocean when this happened, but we flew off our jet ski. Oh my God. And we had to swim back to it. You know, you have to get on the back of them.

And my dear friend Jen had, she swam over first. And so she was about to climb up on the back of it when she felt someone me Push her down and use her back as a step as a step Wow Wow now I would want to be on the guy whatever tribe you were in and survivor I'd want to be on that tribe. So I said to her and she was so stunned and to this day I had forgotten it And to this day, I had forgotten it. And to this day, she says she thinks about it. And it definitely impacted.

It happened early in the trip, and then we had like a week together. And I knew what I had done. And I did say to her, you have to understand. My survival instinct, I don't know what happened with my ancestors. I don't know what happened with my ancestors. I don't know where this comes from. Is so strong.

And I will step on you. I will. She said I stepped, pushed her down, step, used her back as a stepping stone to get myself up. I showed you that movie, right? The Danish movie with the avalanche, right? Where a family is on a ski vacation, then there's an avalanche.

And the husband upon the site of the avalanche like pushes his children and wife to the side to save himself and then the avalanche Yeah, the avalanche doesn't really come. So they're fine. And then and how it affects here's what I'll say. What I really love about you is your survival instinct is very strong, but also your instinct to help is equally as strong.

So I you have this kind of push pull, like you run towards danger, but then you often will run, but I've never really seen you run away from like, like that, like you're like, that is unlike you to use someone as a ladder. But at the same time, it feels very much, it also feels like right because it's, you got to do your thing back and say Jen was much shorter than me and so I think I thought this is gonna be the best way for me to get up and then of course I'll help her up but gotcha may I ask you I'd love to think it's hard to know you know it's hard to know what exactly was going through my mind gonna give you the Billy Zane quiz sure okay picture

yourself is Billy Zane the character Sure. Picture yourself as Billy Zane, the character that he plays in the Titanic. So you're not Billy Zane, you're his character. You're this rich, wealthy man. Titanic is going. With eyeliner on? I mean, does he have eyeliner? No, just looks like it.

Just have dark eyes, yeah. Now, like Nester Carbonell. So you are in this moment. Titanic is going down. Don't worry about Kate Winslet. Don't worry about anything else. Are you going to be fighting to get on those boats? You're not a mother.

You don't have children. Are you going to, like Billy Zane fights to get on those boats? I'm going to be really honest, because I think most people aren't honest about this. What I would do is I'm looking to see how many boats. Okay. Okay. See, but you know, not enough. Well, I know there's definitely not enough boats.

But I'm looking to see how many boats will at least get the children on. I'm not worried about the women. I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. Again, you're Billy Zane here. Yeah. Yes. I'm worried about children and elderly. Anyone who's an adult able-bodied person, I hope and I believe in my heart of hearts that I would wait to get the children and elderly and anyone in physical need on first. And then everybody who's able-bodied, woman, man, I don't care what gender, I would fight to get on. After that, I hope.

Okay, but now I'm going to add one more addendum to it. If you're an elderly person, are you going to be dancing on the deck of the Titanic like those elderly people or laying in bed? Or are you going to be dancing on the deck of the Titanic, like those elderly people or laying in bed, or are you going to be fighting to get to that boat? Cause I did notice that you said elderly and children. So as an elder, as an elderly, are you going to be trying to get on there? You're going to be like, you know what? I've lived my life. Let me lay in bed with my going down like that. Okay. There we go.

I'm fighting to the end. I love it. So back to just scares and spooks for a second. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would actually say babe,

Yeah. that not to psychoanalyze you, but I do think that what your book does get into is actually a very scary child. I mean, I think that it's a very scary child. I But I do think that what your book does get into is actually a very scary childhood. And a very childhood, you mean you tell a story of your stepfather that's kind of whimsical and fun.

But there was real fear, and there was real spooks, and real violence, and scary stuff happening. And I wonder if your interest in scaring is to kind of take more control over the scares. Well, can I analyze your analyzation and say, those scares are so not, the scares, the jump scares that I enjoy are so not scary because of the actual scares that I did have.

And this is a problem that I have, and I think it was much more apparent in the beginning of our relationship. I don't know what's normal in the sense that... So glad to hear you say that. I have lived a life that has multiple bizarre twists and turns, but at the same time I also have done comedy, which has warped my own sensibility of what's funny and what's acceptable. I think when we first met, you are hilariously funny. You have a great sense of humor,

but I could push a boundary or two that you big, Whoa. And that was very early on. And, and I noticed that about myself that there are certain things that what I take for normal, what I take as, as oh everyone is on this same page Isn't always the case and that I think that's gotten it's changed as I've gotten older but definitely You know you live in a certain thing you build these certain Like these kind of neural pathways that you go. Yeah, this is this is behavior that is acceptable jokes that you should tell in mixed company.

Like, you know, that people don't understand. Like, I joke around about this a lot, that, you know, when I first started doing UCB, a lot of, and I'm sure you and Jess talk about this, like a lot of our interactions, my interactions with friends were bits. Can you tell everybody the face that you're making right now? It was, it was scary actually. Talk about a spook and a scare. It was like, I couldn't

believe how you couldn't, it was difficult to have conversations with people. And I thought, I wonder if I'm ever going to meet, be comfortable in his friend group, because there were just so many bits. You're coming to- There were only bits. Right, you're coming to spend a week at a house in Ohio that we rented and people are trying to sell you

above ground pools or talk to you about- Someone's the pool cleaner. Yeah. Yeah. And you're forced to perform. So I, so yeah, anyway. Well, that's the best part of it, right? That's the highest level.

But I think what you're describing is early on in our relationship, there were times where I would feel like there were jokes that did offend me and that I found, off, off. But I also think as a woman doing comedy, I'm really proud of myself for being honest about that. Because I do think that because there were so few women at UCB or wherever, the vibe was like,

if you don't think this is funny, if you're not willing to be edgy like this, then you're not really funny. Well, I- That I really hated, and I still don't like, but I find I less so have a problem with it now and the culture's changed, so that's not really the case anymore.

But at that time, it took a lot for me to say, hey, even to you you when we were dating, because I did respect you as a comedian. And I had people at the theater I knew were talking about how I was basically too serious. Really? Well, yeah. I mean, you know that whole story, babe,

when I made a comment about women and stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, you know that whole story babe of when I made a comment about like women and, yeah, don't forget about that. But knowing that men thought I couldn't hang or was very hard. Well let me just say- I tried to be as authentic to myself as I could be. I want to say two things and one I want to circle back to our relationship, but I want to just highlight one thing that you're not saying, which is it what I don't believe. It wasn't like you're not edgy enough.

You can't hang your edgy. You're smart. You push. It was the dumber stuff that you were like, oh, I'm on stage. And if I don't know this Star Wars reference. Oh, well, that's true. That's a different thing. It's a different thing because I totally different.

See, I thought I thought that there was a lot of out people right now. But you and I both know that were the one joke that almost you almost decided not to date me because I didn't think it was funny. And I don't want to get into it. I understand. I understand. I know what that is. Yes. And I don't want to get into it right now. I understand, I'm respecting. But I know what that is. But I know the fact that it was male dominated and that the improv, the actual improv was hyper masculine.

Well, yeah, and I think it was. That was hard for me too. But that was a separate issue. I think it also erred on the side of being incredibly nerdy and like knowing a reference to a sci-fi thing or something like that is also different than like that doesn't mean funny or not. But I think that a lot of women were put in this position to... It was horrible.

Yeah. But here's what I'll say and why I think our relationship was so special and what's so interesting about it was when you did call me out on that joke. The joke that shall not be named. The joke that shall not be named. I wanna sit here and say, don't worry listeners, it's not that bad.

But I'm actually like, no. Here's the thing that you should know. It was a joke that was publicly said in a very large forum that was repeated. So it's not like whatever. But again, we're not. And it wasn't a joke that you made. Right. It was a joke that you thought was funny. I thought it was very funny. Yes. Now, when you and this is an interesting thing, like

I think it was us feeling each other out. And it's one of the things in the book, I talk about our relationship a lot. And I appreciate you allowing me to do that. And I showed you the book very much towards the end. And I don't know if you knew what was in there. And this joke is not in there. But I do think that part of what was so special was that you felt comfortable enough with

me to talk to me. And I felt beyond anything that was going on in our romantic life, beyond anything that was going on as performers, I respected your opinion to hear that and sit with it. And I think that, I always think back to that argument because it wasn't like, well, if you don't think it's funny, you're wrong. I think one of the things that it came to in that was I respect your opinion and I understand that

and I'm gonna be aware of that. And I think that that was something that was really different than anything that I'd ever done. I wasn't, I wasn't fuck this person, she didn't get what's funny. I'm like, I really respected the way that you came to me. And I think it started actually this thread in our relationship where whatever we,

whatever is at top of mind does come out for better or for worse in a really lovely way we can speak to it and engage with it and I think that we don't really carry a lot of Baggage in that way and it may not be always the best conversation But I think it was the signal to me that this relationship was something special and something different, that you could do that. And that's something that I think, as I listen to you, as I watch you as a mom, as a performer, as a human being, I'm always amazed that you can go there.

I think that the part of this podcast is not being fearful of saying what you mean and saying what you think and letting it be out there. Like that idea, let us live. I mean, it's like this, we're sharing these things that I don't know. I think it's a very powerful thing that not many people do. I think so many people Sit on things it becomes poisonous. It can become

like a an attic full of junk and You know, it's sort of the difference of You know, do you treat a cut right away or do you just ignore it for a while? You know, and I think that that's- It's Syrian. Yeah, and I think that you are, you've really changed the entire way that I communicate in relationships.

I mean, that truly is, you know, I talk about this in a way in the book, something that was so amazing to me. And I'm always looking to that, to that And I'm always looking to that. I'm always looking to that. And I think that's one of the things, even though I'm not allowed to listen to the show, what I really, I think what I really appreciate

and when people talk to me about this show, they're like over the moon about it because I think that you're sharing a vulnerability is I think that you're sharing a vulnerability that is also incredibly strong and you're not afraid to be who you are. That's something that I think is, in this world and this time, it's sometimes a tricky line to walk because what you said was about being in the UCB and you feeling like you said this thing about, you know, you're too serious, but that's who you, you aren't too serious. But what you said was what you felt and that look at where you are, look at what you've

done, look at where you, what you do. And I think that that's a strong, a really strong thing that I think is hard for people. I think when we go back to talking about bits, I think that's partly people afraid to have a deeper conversation. Anyway. And I should say that although I was stunned by all the bits, I deeply love all of those people I'm referring to.

And my memoir is called Beyond the Bit. But by the way, and I just want you to know too, like it's not as if you don't do bits and are funny in responding to bits, but I could also understand like the only way of communicating for a long time or around a lot, it was just through bits. It's like, well, do I know these people or is this like is this person a

You know above-the-ground pool salesman like I don't know, you know and Everybody evolves and everybody changes too You know, but but you're talking about my willingness to be vulnerable or be who I am But that's exactly what you've done with your book is really vulnerable or be who I am. But that's exactly what you've done with your book, is really bear parts of yourself and share such deep, such deep and personal stories about yourself. And I'm really, really proud of you. And, you know, it's funny, I've never in my life had this experience, and you've heard me do it, where when someone

tells you just happened yesterday, a woman we were talking to, I had met before, but we spent some time with her here on vacation, had shared the most beautiful reading of your book, which was about how she, you know, she's a counselor for kids and she was saying that a lot of people who have gone through trauma are given books on like how to deal with it and how to move on and how to become resilient and move past it and it's very clinical

and they're very, they're very prescriptive in how your book tells that story. But it is so in such a different way. And with this narrative and the tools that you found as a child and as an adult, you know, are so helpful. But I have never felt so comfortable receiving praise for someone else. And I, when she said it, I said immediately, thank you. You know?

I've never felt so, I mean, it's, I've never taken so much pride in anything. I've done, to be honest. And I, as the amount of pride I am taking in your book. All right, did you enjoy that deep dive sneak peek? If you wanna hear the rest of that episode, download it on the Deep Dive podcast feed and make sure you subscribe to their show

to hear more of June and more of how did this get made all-star Jessica Sinclair Alright people it is time to announce our next movie and next week. We'll be going from Marky mark to sharky shark. That's right next episode. We are kicking off. How did this get made hot shark summer? with 2002 shark attack 3 Megalodon now Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 43% score on the tomato meter and Andrew Todd

from Birth Movies Death wrote, "'Shark Attack 3' ain't a great film or even necessarily a good film, but it's most definitely a fun film. Sip it up as an appetizer for the Meg or as a post-Meg digestif." I love that. And let me tell you people, I love this movie.

All right, this is worth watching. Shark Attack 3, Megalodon. You're gonna recognize a lot of stuff, especially if you're a fan of The Daily Show. I'm not even gonna break down the plot for you because all you really need to know is there's a giant shark trying to kill people. So now, listen to the trailer with that in mind.

People pay a lot of money to come down here. They expect listen to the trailer with that in mind. Megalodon, ancestor of the great white shark. It's supposed to be extinct. You lied to me? Seven men dead. You know something was dangerous down there. You let them dive anywhere. They knew it was risky. Bullfucking shit! Shark Attack 3 Megalodon is available to stream for free on Amazon Prime, Tubi, Freevy and the Roku channel.

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