How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: Torque

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

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How to promote your small business how much is the price of meth and Jason and Paul? That's me. Help solve your problems. All this and more on today's Last Looks. Hit the theme! I'm your biker gang leader Paul Shear and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Last Looks! Where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on torque. Jason and I answer phone calls on the helpline and we reveal next week's movie plus I will share an exclusive bonus scene from our last episode at the end of this episode. But first things first, a big shout out to Dan from Rochester for that amazing theme song. Dan, I hope that's Rochester, New York. And if it is, man, I've been there. I'm glad you're keeping the people of Rochester

warm with your lyrics and your soul. If you're not from Rochester, ah, who cares? You know what? I still love you, Dan. Anyway, we love these songs. If you have a Last Looks theme song, you can send it to HowDidThisGetMade at yourwolf.com. Keep them short. 15 to 20 seconds is best. You know it. You listen to the show. You don't want to be long? No one wants that. All right, let's get into it. Last week, we talked at length about torque, a movie that according to Discord user, Grayist Hound had all the fumes but none of the family. I love these taglines. And you know what? I really love a good tagline in general. And this week, when I saw the poster for Meg 2, yes, Meg 2. Statham is back, motherfuckers.

We did this movie on the show when it came out. I loved it so much. We'll do the sequel when it comes out this summer. But the tagline for Meg 2 is awesome. New Meg, old chum. That's fucking great. More Meg movies, please. I think the movie is called The Trench, back for seconds. And I believe this, the Meg eats a dinosaur. Anyway, you had more questions about torque than we had time to answer. So we figured we'd give a chance for you to ask those questions right now. You can fact check us if you will, because this is time for corrections and omissions. Thank you, Francis Rizzo, for that great theme. Let's go to the Discord starting off with

Johnny Unusual. So the bald dude that Ford beats up at the beginning is supposed to be a dumb Toretto parody, right? I mean, the movie already took a lot of shots at Fast and Furious, so this seems like they're opening the film saying, if Dom and Ford got into a fight, Ford could take him easily. Now, I did not recognize that because the movie just kind of begins and that character is seen really quickly. But I'm looking at him here. He is a bald dude. He has a similar body to Dom. He is in a similar undershirt to Dom. No cross. I mean, it's subtle. If that's what they're going for, it's subtle. But again, this whole movie is subtly taking shots at a movie that the producer already

made. So God bless you. I agree with you, Johnny Unusual. That probably is Dom. But then who's the other guy? It's not Paul Walker. Ginger writes somehow this movie is trying to pay homage to Old Westerns and real life outlaw culture slash history. Look at the character's names, Ford, who famously shot Jesse James and who's alleged grandson, West Coast Chopper founder Jesse James is an extra. Whoa, Dalton, the Dalton gang was a famous group of Old West outlaws. Shane, some consider Shane the greatest Western film ever made. I don't, Sonny, Sonny Barger was the founder of Hell's Angels. All right, Ginger. Yeah, I guess that's a good mix and match. I would

love if it was like all Old West or all like outlaw culture, but the mix and match. Yeah, I love it. Makes sense. That's a right early thing to do. Cameron H writes this, maybe I missed something, but was there significance to them going to Mexico at the end? Or was it just like within easy driving distance? I mean, the entire movie he gushes on and on about the people and cuisine of Thailand. He tells Shane of that coastal highway that was so beautiful that it made him think of her every time he wrote it. How does the movie not end with Ford and Shane driving on that stretch of highway together to the dulcet melodies of Nickelback? Of course, Cameron H, 100%. Yeah, why aren't they going back

to Thailand? It seems like Mexico is too close. Seems like everyone that is after them could easily get to Mexico. All right, I'm loving these points. Let's go to Hobo Bot and Hobo Bot has brought up something that I'm so excited about. The word weargasm, which Paul pointed out was graffitied on a bathroom wall and it was a trademarked as a clothing brand name in September of 2003, less than four months before torque was released. An internet search revealed the logo resembles the bathroom graffiti and the trademark was filed by Lee Ross, who was listed in the torque credits on IMDB as paint foreman on the movie. Whoa. No doubt Lee tagged his own small business logo for some street cred with the hog riders. Holy

shit. Also, this is from Scott Lee Ross is credited as the lead scenic painter on 65 episodes of Grace and Frankie. We got to ask June about this. Oh my God, we need to start wearing some weargasm. This is already one of the best things that we've uncovered in the history of the podcast. Let's go to the phones. Anna from LA. Hi, Jason Paul in June. This is Anna from Los Angeles. I was very fortunate that I was able to attend the show at Largo for torque thinking about this movie and the would be torque averse. I'm so very curious how they landed on Martin Henderson. It really made me think about the casting and if they had cast someone who was more known for maybe action movies. I guess Ford

was cast because he was in the ring, but it just felt like it could have been better if there was someone like, I don't know, Jason Statham with his like intimate Los Angeles accent or another sort of up and coming action star of the time would love to know your thoughts. Thanks. If you're asking me, would Jason Statham make this movie better? The answer is, of course, yes. But I kind of disagree with your thesis because at this point in the early 2000s, I think Hollywood studios were trying to find new leading men for these cheap action movies. And if somebody popped, it would be a great big success case in point. We've already mentioned

them once here before Vin Diesel. He was not a known commodity, but then he came and exploded on the scene. I think they wanted to try to find the next big thing. And there's a lot of movies out there that did not find the next big thing. Doesn't mean that they're bad. It just didn't connect and maybe the movie was better. Maybe Martin Henderson would have become the next Vin Diesel. I don't know. But yes, if Jason Statham was available, I would put him in here. But I also feel like he wouldn't represent like California outlaw culture as much as we would like, because then it would be a little bit more like that dumb Brit. Like I feel like there would be like an energy there. And I don't think that

the movie could take on yet another level of social commentary. All right. Cheryl from Utah. Hey, Paul. Cheryl from Utah. I was looking up to attend actually the lag taping of Torque by the light. And I wanted to ask you a small, about a small moment in the film. When Ice Cube first lands on top of the train, he lifts his already clear visor to, I assume, make even more direct eye contact with Ford and then ends up putting it right back down. Why do you think he made the choice to lift that visor? Adore the show and you. Thank you for all you do. Bye.

Oh, wow. Cheryl, thank you for coming out. And by the way, thank you Anna for coming out to our Largo shows. We have new Largo shows. We just announced them today. They are on sale right now, right now, another residency in June, three nights, three different movies, at least two guests that are already booked and they're awesome. Hopefully tickets are still available as you listen to this. I know they go quickly. But Cheryl from Utah. Look, that was a good thing. You realize that Ice Cube is doing a lot of work here. I remember watching Tron and the lead actor in the movie Tron, not the new one, but the old one had a pair of glasses and he took those glasses on. He took them off. He barely was wearing

these glasses. And I feel like Ice Cube. I know he rides a hog. I know he is a real motorcycle rider or whatever. He was doing a lot of business in this movie, whether we're sticking that magnet cell phone to his head, reading a map. This guy was doing business. And I feel like, you know, maybe he wanted to make sure his actual eyes got like, is that him? Okay, it is. Boom. Now I can go off. You know, the idea being maybe there was another another white dude running around this train car. He it was about him being a professional. He doesn't want to kick the ass of somebody he's not sure is his enemy. So I give it to Ice Cube for, you know, not making his eyes be deceived by the wonderful

shade that that visor provides. All right, back to the discord. Dr. Guts writes, Torx inconsistent tone seems as if it was a result of the director and the studio having conflicting visions of the movie. Director Joseph Khan has been quoted as saying I wanted to do with fast and furious movies what Evil Dead 2 did to horror films. A piss take version of it. These are stupid ass movies. What if I made one that was really fucking stupid? So Khan wanted to do a parody of the fast and furious movies. Producer Neil Moritz in the studio wanted a more serious film that was simply fast and furious. But on motorcycles, it appears that they met somewhere in the middle and this is what we got. Also, Torx was filmed

in 2002 and meant to be released in 2003. But a similar movie called biker boys came out around then at the same time and they pushed the release back to 2004. Now, let's break this down. I had read this as well. I wonder how much of this is like retroactive history because when Joseph Khan is saying I wanted to do with the fast and furious movies what Evil Dead 2 did to horror films, at that point, there had only been one fast and furious film and biker boys wasn't out. So this was a new idea. Now, I understand that if you wanted to take the piss out of fast and furious, great. But I also feel what Evil Dead does is a it doesn't take the piss out of a horror movie. It is a horror movie that's incredibly

inventive and cool and interesting. But more importantly, it has an amazing lead actor who is hilarious. And that is Bruce Campbell. So could you find a Bruce Campbell for a movie like this? Then maybe it could work because Martin Endersen ain't that Adam Scott. Sure. But Adam Scott's not the lead character. So I do think there's a little bit of like retroactive history going on here because I get that. But I also feel like there are ways to have made that movie and still given the producers of this movie what they wanted. Anyway, that's me on my high horse about how to make Evil Dead, too. And I only know so much about Evil Dead, too, because I recently did an unspooled about it. We had Bruce Campbell on unspooled

and then we went and did Evil Dead, too. It was great. All right, I was actually curious after hearing this was about biker boys. I remember biker boys actually remember biker boys because it was just silly name. And then SNL did a really hilarious parody of biker boys. And take a listen to the biker boys trailer. This may be something that we have to do in the show. I got to tell Averill about this because you can't see it. And this is what is the problem with this medium when some of the things that we do on this show. But Orlando Jones is wearing a cross necklace like Dom. All right. And Kid Rock is in this. I mean, this is this could be a next one.

So Scott, thank you for pulling that trailer. Dr. Guts, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Biker boys activate Danny. The wall writes how much was the meth actually worth? Adam Scott was banking his entire career and waiting nearby for six months to get a couple of gas tanks worth. And he talked like it was going to make him like a millions of dollars. And Adam C. Driggers replies, Well, the largest motorcycle gas tank holds six gallons. That's about enough space to hold about 22,000 grams of meth. As a gram of meth is about a size of a cubic centimeter. According to the UN Office on drugs and crime, a gram of meth in 2004 could sell in the US for up to 500 bucks. Each bike could have contained $11.3

million in meth or a total value of 22.6 million. So Danny, the wall, bam, Adam C. Driggers just dropped a hammer on you. I mean, I am amazed and I'm amazed that Adam, you were not on this movie because we needed that. I would love to have that fact or just drop it down. Anyway, JXL writes, I have a theory about the shoulder to shoulder peeing thing in the tour de France. The system they've settled on is that the yellow jersey holder communicates with their team. The Peloton was time to pull over and take a pee break. The announcers in the camera respect that and take a commercial break. Now and then you'll see photos of the backs of a group of men taking a collective piss break like they do

in the movie. It could be that they have the same sort of system for longer motorcycle races or it could be that the makers just like that imagery from cycling. By the way, wow, did not know that about the tour de France. People, you've blown my mind this week with these corrections and emissions. I thought there was one easy one to give. But right now I'm looking at Adam, who's going deep in drug research. I'm talking about tour de France peeing, which I didn't even know. Dr. Gutz opening my eyes to the biker boys. But you know what? Hobo bot, you got my heart. Wheregasm was a beautiful play by a scenic painter trying to sell his fashion brand. And you know what? For that research, you

are the winner. And you get this amazing song from Ryan and Marie Atkins hit it. All right. If you want to submit an alt tagline for the movie or chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit us up on the discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm or call us at 619 Paul ask coming up. Jason and I tag team some helpline phone calls. We reveal next week's movie. And at the end of the episode, I will share an exclusive deleted scene from our torque show. So stick around. All right, people, just a heads up. Matt and a Monday. Every Monday we're pulling episodes out of the vault, re releasing them back into the rotation and to get ready for fast 10. We have re released the fate of the furious with

Adam Scott. And then after that, we will be finishing up our prep work with fast nine. So every week we're getting you ready to go to the cinema to get ready for fast 10. All right. This week on just chat, Jason and I decided to open up the helpline and offer our expert opinions to a few listeners reaching out for advice. Hillary gay, play us in the background. All right, Jason, last time on last books, we didn't really talk about what we liked or what we were watching, but we did talk a lot about travel and we gave some advice. We help people out. I got some more. Yeah, we blew, we blew people's minds. We've revolutionized the way the audience travels with luggage, backpacks and packing

cubes. All right, this is actually going to be another, I think, really good question. This is going to be Trevor from Rhode Island. And the title of this is, well, I'll let him kind of set up his own question. Well, you know, we will know. Okay, here we go. Yeah. Hey, Paul, this is Trevor from Rhode Island, not Long Island, where I think you're from Rhode Island. Yeah, I got my girlfriend a watch for Christmas. So what's that? Three months ago, it was expensive for me. You know, we're talking a $1,500 watch, which is definitely more than is was in the budget. So I get her this watch and she claims to love it, but not the color. No problem. We exchange the watch for the same watch, but in like a gold

instead of a rose gold, gets the watch, says she loves it. It's a gold diamond watch. It's beautiful. You know, I think she should love it. She's had the opportunity to wear the watch a lot. And she's worn the watch, I think, twice in, you know, a few months. And it's always, she's always saying she forgot to wear it. I think she doesn't like the watch. And I just want to know, is it appropriate for me to reclaim the watch and do something else with the watch? I'm calling you for help. Help me. Thanks. Love the show. It was in front row for Geostorm. Geostorm. I love it. Trevor. A great call from Trevor from Rhode Island, not Long Island. Great

question. This is actually a phenomenal question. I feel like... Trevor from Massa Piqua? Massa Piqua, New York. I was trying to find out our good friend, Mike Rosenstein, great guy, producer of the Eric Andre show and many other things. He is from Rhode Island and he has a shirt. I think of this guy, Buddy. Like everyone in the world. Buddy Sianzi. Yes, Buddy Sianzi. There is Buddy Sianzi. Oh, yeah. Noted. Oh, like... Was he against it? I'm not even going to get into it. Just Google Buddy Sianzi or even better, listen to the Crime Town podcast. This is going back a number of years. Crime Town podcast. It is an absolutely fascinating look into the organized crime, you know, all

the organized crime in New England, specifically around Crime Boss Raymond Petriarca in Providence, Rhode Island. And then Buddy Sianzi, who is a political figure who also gets bogged down and mired in all of this organized crime nonsense and then also makes and sells his own pasta sauce. I got to listen to this because I know a little bit about this guy and it's so funny because Rhode Island to me seems so small and it seems like this is a very big operation going on. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Raymond Petriarca was one of the biggest, like crime mob figures in the second half of the 20th century, like a hugely powerful, you know, basically for a while Providence was, I believe this is true and somebody's going to correct me if

I'm wrong, Providence was like you had the five families in New York and then you had, you know, the New England mob that was related. But Petriarca and then up in Boston, you had like Whitey Bulger and Anjulo and all those folks. But Petriarca was like the head of New England crime. Well, and this and just so you know, if you want to find this podcast, it is called Divine Providence. And that's that is the crime town that I think they've packaged it as. I'm sorry. I get it now. So it is. They've retitled it. They've retitled it at this like series. Oh, I'm glad you said that. Divine Providence. You can find I just typed in I've typed in crime town and that and that's what came up. So it's Divine Providence

and that's like the series of this. It's fantastic podcast and it's one season. It's really interesting. If you like mob stories, this one is so funny and so surprising and super interesting. I love it. All right. So this is a good question. Trevor has bought an expensive gift for his girlfriend and not worried about it. Like he's like, I'm going to buy her an expensive gift. This is a tricky thing because he buys her something that he thinks that she's going to like. She returns it to get something that she likes even a bit more. But now she's not wearing the expensive gift and he's worried that she doesn't really like it. And if she doesn't really like it, can he take it back? And this is a this is complicated because

I mean, yeah, I don't think it's that complicated. But but again, who knows? Like, you know, these are, you know, to me and let me know what you think. I think Trevor, what a great great job, you know, going out getting your girlfriend something that's fantastic. Now and his girlfriend seems to also be trying to do both of them seem to be doing their best, right? He's he's made this generous offer. It does, I agree with you, Paul, seem like she does not like the watch. Right. And is trying and in exchanging it for a slightly different version of the watch was trying to make it a little bit better. But she I think is sounds like he bought her something. He even says, I thought I think she should

like it. Right. He thinks she should like it. That's not up to you, Trevor. It's not up to you to decide what you think she she would like. What you should do is say, Hey, I think go to her and say, Hey, I, you know, I loved getting you this gift. It was, you know, wonderful. But I based on the fact that you're not wearing it, I think you might not like it, which is fine. Right. I took it. I took a chance. Trevor, correct me if I'm wrong, but you didn't buy a watch she saw in on a website or something or in a window and said, I like that you went and got it. You, you decided what it was. Now she's trying to make it work, but, but doesn't have to. She doesn't have to like your taste or what

you think should be her taste. And so I would go to her and say, can we return the watch and why don't we shop together for something you would like and you would wear? I think you will be, you will be happy that she's wearing whatever you got her. And I think it's hurting your feelings now that she's not. Yeah. And I'll say a couple of things to you about this. I'm not married. No, but I think that, no, but I think that you're approaching this in the right way. I think that it's hard to buy anyone. I have a big theory on stuff, which is I don't think you should buy art for anyone. I don't think that you should buy very expensive things for people unless you know exactly that they want that

like, you know, like, for example, I know that June has mentioned at a certain point, like she wants a tennis bracelet, like that kind of, you know, like that, you know, that in my mind at one point, if I have the means, that's something that I know I could probably nail to a certain degree. But I, but I would put a lot of thought into it. Like I wouldn't buy, I wouldn't just go out and buy her something willy nilly. I've bought June a really nice watch, an antique watch, because I knew that she liked something from that thing. So I really whenever I do spend money, I really think about that. But it's very hard to buy art, jewelry, things like that. Anything's personal, like a person, I was just going

to say anything that's personal or that that feeling, that person might have a personal feeling about it and how it, how the, how it reflects on their personal aesthetic, or their, like their, their, what they perceive of as their style or whatever, anything that you're buying that someone else has to wear every day, or someone else has to say, this is my taste. I think that's dangerous until you really are dialed into their taste. And even then you can make a mistake. And I just want to say to Trevor, you're like, I feel like Trevor is almost mad about it. Maybe I'm mischaracterizing it. I think you're right. I think he's upset.

Cannot be mad, Trevor. She has done nothing wrong just because she's not received your gift the way you wanted it to be received. Right. And that's not the, that's not the game, right? But I think that when you do these purchases, and this is how I kind of, I'm going around, I'm going in a roundabout way. When I do a purchase that I'm unsure about, the one thing that I make sure that I know is that I can return it. Right. I get myself an out and I give them an out. Like, and I say to them, very matter of factly, like, I'm gonna, like, I've done this in the past where I will give a nice gift and I will let them, I say them

because I think this is, this is universal to a certain degree. If you're spending money on somebody, even a good friend or whatever, like, I want to like have the moment, enjoy the gift. Oh my gosh, I love this watch. This is so great, blah, blah, blah. And then what I'll do on the slide, as I say, by the way, here's a gift receipt in case you want to return it. Okay. Like, it's sort of like, you can leave me out of it. Leave me out of it. Like, not that I want, but it may make it easier for some people. Some people may not want to like tell you and like June could go off and return to me. I gave her and then God bless. Like, I don't have to know. It's not a big deal, but she got, you know, whatever.

Well, I want somebody to have a thing that they're going to be excited to have. Yes. Me too. That's the thing. I want them to have something nice. Yeah. And that's, you know, and you want, you want that feeling. And I think Trevor, be careful of trying to chase the feeling of like a victory for you. The gift is for her. The hardest thing. You know, I mean, it's not so you can have a win. Yes. It's so that she can have something she loves. Right. And you're not always going to nail it. And that's okay. You know, like the, like I remember when I was a kid, it almost reminds me of when I was a little kid, I got my mom a necklace for Christmas that was C3PO. Yes. And then like months later, I said, like tears

in my eyes. I only know this because it's been told to me. One of those stories. Tears in my eyes. So upset asking because I would ask my mom if she was going out or if we were going somewhere, if she was going to wear it. Oh, I love this. And then I was upset because she wasn't wearing it. She wasn't wearing the C3PO necklace. So then she, she would, she told me she would wear it out of the door, out the house to be like, I'm leaving. Goodbye. And then take it off. Oh, what a cute thing. Very cute. And then that C3PO was turned into a Christmas tree ornament, which is pretty great. I love that. Now also we'll put into the mix that the truth is watches don't go with everything. Like a guy, like a guy may

have like a couple of watches, unless you're John Mayer or something like that, you know, like, you know, and then you got like a whole fucking, you know, closet full, but like, watch closet. Watch closet. That's a, that's a Bob Ducalist. Watch closet. I got a Rolex. Potampkin. But like the, but I also would say like this, this Cartier watch that I got you this, this like antique thing that I got her, she didn't wear that all the time. I see it occasionally because it just doesn't go with everything that she does. There's also sometimes where you get something that's really nice. And I know that like, there are things that June doesn't feel comfortable wearing every day. Or like jewelry is also

like, it's not like, well, I have it. I got to wear it. Like it may just be something that comes out. It's an accessory. Yes. I think for, for, for, I will say for women, I think watches and all that stuff is more in line with jewelry, stuff that can be changed out every day, stuff that go, you know, different things go with different looks or different events or different this or that versus a guy. Yeah. Yeah. A guy throws a watch on and it doesn't come off for like the next, I mean, I don't wear a watch, but like a lot of guys just put a watch on and it's done. It's there. Yeah. You got a watch and it's like, I wear that watch every day. See you later. It tells my time. It's a, it's a tool. You know, it's

not necessarily or unless you're John Mayer and in which case, I'm sure you swap and watches all the time. You got a lot of watches and you got in the articles written about your watches. I mean, look, June got a beautiful gift. Someone gave her an Apple watch. Now, I knew that she really was interested in this Apple watch because she thought she could do all this stuff on it, but I also know that that's on June's aesthetic. She got like these nicer band for it. It looks good, but I would say 90% of the time that Apple watch is sitting doesn't move, doesn't go anywhere. It just sits there. And I know that she likes that she has it. I didn't give her this Apple watch. I have no guilt about, but it's like, but

she did get it. But that's it. And it just, and that, but she likes, I feel very similar. I feel similar. I have an Apple watch and I feel I, I similarly, I don't wear it all the time. It's not like, I don't, both because I don't love the aesthetic and also because I don't love having something there. I don't love something like tight on my wrist. That I don't like, you know, the feeling. Yes. I, I agree with you. I would go watchless. The thing that I love about my watch for the most part is I'm often away from my phone. And so now it's been really great cause it's like just in the dad world of it all. Oh shit. Who's calling me? Okay. Oh, June texted me like there is somewhere where I can't afford

to be checked out. So, and because I don't have exactly, and because I don't have any workflow put parts of my life that need that, I don't use it as much. And I feel like probably June feels the same way. If there was a way that it suddenly became integral to my day to have that watch. And, and to your point, boy, it would be great if I could get the watch so that I could going so that I could not have my phone. Yes. And in front of me as often, I think that's a great goal and maybe to use the watch as a, as a way to lessen the amount of time I'm looking at the phone. And that really has helped me because I'm never worried about like checking my phone for texts because I can get it right here.

Yeah. And then I'm like, and then I keep my phone away. Anyway, I think that this could be a moment that you should tread lightly for because I think it's not like I'm taking this gift back. I mean, the way that he kind of Trevor, I don't want to label you as saying, but it seemed like you were like, I want to repurpose it. Like you don't, well, now I'll give it to somebody else. Or you like, no, I think Trevor, I think if I'm not, Trevor, if you, I mean, do you can please call back and tell me I'm wrong. But I feel like Trevor sounds a little bit like his feelings are hurt. Yes. And he wants to a little bit like say, like, can I take it back? Can I do something else with it? And the answer is, of course

you can. But I think you can do it in a way that is it's both of you making that choice. You can choose to take it back and be petty about it. Or you can lean into this as this relationship and say, let's do this together and make it something that is for both of you. And then whatever you get for her with her is going to be that much more special versus if you get into an acrimonious thing about the watch, because your butt hurt that she doesn't wear it enough, the watch that you decided she should like, I don't think you're that's not going to be a great starting point. I will also say this. In a relationship, you owe it to your partner on both sides to be

honest when you know something is expensive and his change chance. Like if I get a shirt, I don't love, I'm not going to go stand on circumstance and try to like, I don't really like a return it. Like sometimes I'll just eat shit on like as anything, like, okay, it's not my favorite thing, but I'll wear it and I'll wear it for you and whatever. But when if you know money has been spent and this is an expensive gift, I also think that you owe it to your partner is to be honest. And if you didn't want that rose gold thing or or like, I don't know where she stands on this, I think that that is also an important step of the relationship because a gift will never break a relationship or and if it does,

you shouldn't be in that relationship because I think we all understand this idea like, ah, it's not my thing. I don't really love it. I love the thought. I love the sentiment. I love that you thought of me and thought this is great. It's just not my point because I'm my style. So here's here's the thing. I think that right now, not to belabor this, but right now, Trevor, both you and your girlfriend are experiencing a sense of anxiety or unease around this watch and you're experiencing it separately and as individuals. This is an opportunity for you to come together to solve this problem together and make this a both of you problem.

Trust me. 100% She will be happy to be brought into this conversation and you will be happy to be having it with her because both of you feel individually weird about the watch right now and she doesn't love it. You want her to love it. That's okay that she doesn't love it. That's not a rejection of you. No, the thought is what matters and the truth is this. It's going to make your relationship better. If that's the case, by the way, I also buy that there's maybe a world in which

she says, actually, do like it. I just don't wear it all the time. I feel like and I don't know, Paul, if you I feel like this happens a lot with guys and engagement rings. Oh, yeah. That was the most that was really hard. Hard for me. I bought an engagement ring without knowing if June was going to like it. That was traumatic and I feel like engagement ring should come with like a little tag of like you can return because I didn't want to do the thing where I brought. I wanted to propose to June with a ring. I think maybe a mold fashion in that way. I know some people go

shopping before and stuff like that and I really debated and took me about three months to kind of find the ring and look and find it. And I got something that I liked that I could afford and I was really happy with it. June really loved it. She's since lost two of them. But now we don't have any of them. She loves them so much that she's turned it into a bit of a game. I told her a scavenger hunt, if you will. I did say to her, I said, I will, I said, I'm not going to buy you a third engagement. I know that she does love it. And she's lost, I think she lost it in our San Francisco show.

I'm not quite sure. We were, yes, she was, she had like a little, she was moisturizing her hands and she thinks she took it off in the dressing room and it's forever lost. And the other time she lost it was she was shooting long shot. She was getting on a boat and someone was helping her on the boat and they just ripped it around for her hand. I know she didn't even make the safe door. But yeah, so I mean, but anyway, that was a really traumatic thing, but I really tried to make sure, not traumatic, but daunting. I run to make sure she liked it and I didn't want to make sure that she didn't felt okay to say I don't like it because I had a return wind. I did figure out that.

Yeah, but that's the thing is I feel like it causes a lot of anxiety. I think especially for younger couples who are, who do have a lot of, like a lot of themselves put into things. So that when it doesn't go well, it seems like, oh no, are you, are you rejecting me versus, no, versus, oh no, you know, this might not be my aesthetic or this might not be what I want to wear every day and that's okay. It's not a rejection of you, you know, 100%. All right, let's take one more call and let's see what we got here. This is our next call. I don't even know what this one's about. All right, this one's just titled niece and it's from Ryan in Tarzana. Here we go. Hi, Paul. This is Ryan from Tarzana. My wife and I have a problem

with our nine year old niece and her parents. My brother-in-law and his wife got divorced when my niece about a year ago and they got divorced over parenting styles. And when I hang out with my niece, when it's just me and my wife or with the brother-in-law, she acts like a normal nine year old. She's polite. She's, you know, she talks about school and all that stuff. But when we hang out with her mom, she regresses into a toddler state where she throws fits. She interrupts conversations. She doesn't sit, rise, doesn't eat her food. But then the worst of it is she'll grab her mom's sweater to try and pull her boobs out like she's milking or nursing or something. And it's just really embarrassing. So my wife and I are wondering, we're in a unique perspective.

Should we give that feedback to the mom or should we just stay out of it? It's really difficult to hang out with them and spend time with them because it's kind of embarrassing seeing my niece behave this way. Anyway, let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Bye. All right. This is an interesting question. Wow. This is a lot taken. Now, I know you, you do a lot of work with your nieces. I mean, you have a great relationship with your nieces. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They are older. Wait, how old did he say this? This nieces? She seems young. I mean, for the behavior that she's displaying, close enough to breastfeeding age, but nine. Wow. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa. Okay. Hang on. This is interesting. You know, wow. It's complicated, right? And I didn't love that he said the word milking. No. It shows a shot. Ryan, I don't think it's called milking. But okay. Yeah, this is a nine years old. That's a shock. I will say this. Right off the gate. Like right out of the gate, I sometimes think you have, even if you have a unique perspective, you got to keep your mouth shut. I just, you know, I just don't think you can get it. I don't, unless you're willing to really upset everything, sometimes you have to back out. I think, I think. And you, I think, yes. Oh, yes. I agree. And I also think, Ryan, you have to acknowledge and understand that you might be causing problems for their further

problems for their coparenting style. If you start to inject or insert yourself into the mix. Yeah. And your point of view. Now, if you think real harm is being done, of course, that's a different story to be clear. But this doesn't necessarily sound like that. So I think that, I mean, part of it is as uncomfortable as it is, I think you're going to have to ride it out. Oh, and try and maybe engage with your niece. Even when she is being, you know, more of a, acting more infantilized or acting like that. Try and engage with your niece as a nine year old, as appealing to the older side, or the more mature side that you deal with when she's with her father, you know. Yeah. I believe that kids all deal with divorce

in a very different way, right? And they all are as a, as a child of somebody of parents who are divorced. I, you know, and I, I think it's important to have someone for the kid to talk to, like if there is a therapist to help make those transitions. Now, if you want to help facilitate that conversation without specifics, that might help. I, you know, I think that the, I always find in the sense you're, you're saying basically, I think just so I'm clear, what you're saying, basically the one way to approach this would be to not to talk about the parenting styles or anything like that. But to say macro, right, you know, the, the divorce can be so hard. You know, do you think, you know, I don't know the, do you think the niece should be in therapy

or are you guys in group therapy or family therapy? I saw, yeah, I saw my, my friend also is going through similar and their kid really benefited from therapy. Like, you know, like, like planting an idea, a seed or something. And that with the acknowledgement that divorce itself can be difficult, not blaming either parent or not saying something here is wrong, but just the idea of divorce can be so upsetting and uprooting to a family is their value in, in therapy. Yes, absolutely. Because I do think that, you know, when you come direct at people, especially family, but people, their instinct is to get defensive and especially about parenting. Oh my God. And I think that, you know, the best way to do this is continue to have conversations

with them. You can maybe lead a conversation to a direction, let them be the person who brings up and then, and then try to find this way to kind of offload them to an idea that that may even like implant an idea in their head that they may think, oh, that's my idea. I, that was a good idea. And now I'm feel like I want to do this. You know, in that sense too, where, and I don't know what their story is, obviously, Ryan, but like, does everybody need therapy? Yeah. Like, could, and, and I mean, the answer writ large is yes, everybody, everybody needs therapy, not just these people here, but like everybody could benefit from therapy. And if it's, if you are able to, or if it's accessible, that's the, if you can get people feeling like we might all

benefit from talking to someone a few times or something like that, that could be invaluable. Especially kids who, clearly, there's something going on here. And we're not child therapists, obviously. And, and neither are you. And, you know, I think that the root here is like, you're trying to help the kid and you're trying to help the kid without blaming the parents and also not letting the parents feel judged. And that's important too, because if they feel judged, they may not want to go for help because they don't want to be judged by somebody else too. And yeah. So, I mean, wow, we, we've really covered it all. That's a tough one. That is a really tough one. That's a really tough one because you really, it's hard to, it's family,

it's parenting styles, it's children, you know, all this stuff that, that are real triggers for people. So, yeah, while your, your heart is in the right place, just tread lightly, you know. And, and, and I think most importantly too, you know, be an ally to this young girl and make sure that you're, you're like the most important thing. And this is what I think I feel about this, which is, I know we're saying like, don't address the parents directly. But I think the important, the reason why I say that is, because then you will be able to remain in this kid's life. And that may be more beneficial in the long run than saying something that doesn't get you anywhere with the parents and then also eliminates you from seeing your niece. And that, and that, and that,

and even the stable is, you being stable is important for these kids to have one. Because it does sound like, you know, instability is probably one of the main reasons that this is going on, the divorce and the confusion or the changes in the transition surrounding. So if you can be a stable force, a present adult in this, in this young person's life, that's invaluable. Absolutely. Well, man, we've done it, Jason. We've really covered the whole, we've covered the whole gamut here. I mean, we really, Oh, really? And now we're going to talk about the Mandalorian. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, man. Oh, man. All right. So people, you know, keep on letting us know,

this is a very quick transition here to say, we're going to probably go back on the road in the summer. Where do you want us to go? I think, Jason, we've been talking about hitting the East Coast a little bit. Yeah, we did the Midwest in the fall. So I think, yeah, East, we've done some West Coast dates. I'd love to still do some more West Coast dates. Yeah, we've got some stuff to do. So let us know in the Discord where you want us to go. Especially, I'd love to hear from people if we've never been to your city. Yes. You know, there's cities that we've never done that I would, that I'd love to do. And then, of course, there's the places that we've been many times, like,

you know, New York or Boston or whatever that I'd love to return to. But yeah, but also, like, and knowing that, like, we may not know that there's a city that's like, oh, no, we have like giant comedy shows to come through here, you know, but it's, it's Gary Indiana or something that we don't know, like, you know, because oftentimes what we try to do is build in stops where you could drive, like, okay, well, you can get there. You can get, you know, and that's what, you know, our Midwest tour, I think, covered a lot of area of, like, it may be a little bit of a drive, but you can at least. And it's very heartwarming when people are like, we drove six hours to get here.

Yeah. You know, it's very sweet. And I love that. But there, you know, we want people to be able to, especially people who never get to see us, except for, like, the live streams, we want you to come and see a live show. It's fucking fun. Absolutely. So we're looking forward to planning that, get everything ready. Nashville, we've never been to Nashville. I'm throwing it out there. I want to play the Ryman. Oh my gosh, that would be a blast. I think Mike has talked to us about that. That'd be great. All right. Well, we had so much to do here. Jason, pleasure as always. And we'll talk soon.

Yeah. Thank you again to Jason and our callers for asking for our advice. Okay. In place of Paul's help on Jason, I will continue to answer, listen to our calls from time to time. So please give us a call at 619 Paul asked. And to all of you singer songwriters out there, once again, please send us your songs and how did this get made at earwolf.com. But don't send us like your song, send us songs for this episode. That would be what we're looking for. I mean, God bless your songs. I'm happy for you, but I don't need them. I'll listen to him send me a link. All right. You know what? I'll be on the cover of any of your albums. Don't worry about it. Now that we got torque out of the way, let's talk about next week's movie. We're going from

two wheels to four wheels. That's right. Next week, we're going back to where the fast saga first started with 2001's the fast and the furious. All right. I cannot wait. We finally have done the first one of these. And I know you're thinking, Paul, is this too much fast and furious content? Well, you know what? Suck it up because we have been waiting for this. We're building to a moment. This is our New Year's Eve in the middle of summer. And if you've not seen fast and furious one, all you got to know is this. A new guy shows up. His name is Brian O'Connor. Is he cool? Is he not? Anyway, he's trying to find out some information about this LA street racing gang who uses souped up cars and harpoon guns to steal DVD players from moving trucks. When Brian becomes enamored

with the street racing world, he must decide where his loyalties lie as a cop or as a bad guy. Now, by the way, I tried to take out the reference to the fact that Brian O'Connor is a cop because that is a spoiler. But I guess, you know, at this point, you all know that rotten tomatoes gives us film a 54% score on the tomato meter. And Andrew Anthony from the Guardian Observer says, not point break so much as pointless slam. All right, let's do the trailer. I live my life a quarter mile at a time. For those 10 seconds or less, I'm free. In this world, the only thing more dangerous than the risks they take. Whatever it is you're in on, I want in on it too.

This is the truth. You a cop? The fast and the furious. Drive safe. You can stream the fast and furious on TNT, direct TV apps, and you can rent it on Apple TV, Prime Video, YouTube or Google Play. And of course, Hoopla, your library source for all things free from your local library. Now, we have a deleted scene coming up. But first, let me remind you to rate and review the show. It helps. And if you listen on Apple podcast, make sure you're following us, visit us on social media, and for commercial free access to how to just get made in our entire archive and so much more. Sign up for Stitcher Premium for a

one month free trial. Use the code bonkers. A big thank you to our producer, Scott Sonny and Molly Reynolds, our movie picking producer, Avereal Halley, our engineer, Alex Gonzalez, our publisher, July Diaz, and Jess Cisneros, who makes our amazing social media videos. All right, I promised you a deleted scene. And here we go. I wanted to call attention to a corrections and omission submission from a discord user named Jabba Joe, who wrote in to say that we forgot to talk about the scene where Adam Scott uses a giant prop key to start his car. Well, Jabba Joe, we did forget to discuss that during the show, but an audience member did bring it up during the Q&A. So take a listen to this bonus deleted scene from our torque show where we

talk about Adam Scott's giant key and a whole lot more. Okay, sir, your name, your gang name, and your question. My name is Tom. My gang name is the Torkelsons. Love it. My question was anybody else notice Adam Scott's giant key? Oh, yeah. When he starts the car, it almost looks like he puts a hard drive like an old school like GTEC external hard drive into another one of those. Like there's a lot of music video shots in this where it's hyper close up. You also have a number of shots that appear to suggest that the interior of a motorcycle has a nervous system like a human body. Like they move through the motorcycles interior. But what's in there seems to be veins and heart and like, like body parts. That's the body work that they're referring to. I was like, please,

let David Cronenberg direct torque to torque to crash or torquen on that giant key. We see a POV of underneath the train tracks. This gives us the POV of a keyhole in a car in a Hummer receiving a key. It's very phallic and exciting. I also think that Adam Scott's character was equipped with the rig that they used to put on that MTV show called scared. Remember that it was like a show where they put like teenagers in a haunted house of fear, fear. Yeah. So the camera is like right here. So you're just watching people go. And because his shots when his car flips, it's like, that's the best part of the movie is when he floors it. She's like, what are you doing? He's like, those two motorcycles made it. The Hummer does like a perfect corkscrew like 12 fucking times.

He lands on top of another car. Yeah. And then he goes, he goes, uh, yeah, shut up. That made me laugh. So I literally laughed out loud. I was crying. Shut up. Shut up. So funny. But I also like, and I feel like what that moment really brought out to me was how much we don't scream in movies. Like he was in a death defying moment. He's like, I feel like movies would be so much better if like everyone's like, every movie should be four hours long and have 20 minute sequences where every character is like, what the fuck dude? We were on top of the fucking train. Well, that's like Ford. Ford, if the movie takes place in what I'm going to say seven hours, first, the number of things that happened to Ford in those seven hours. We're supposed to believe

he landed from Thailand that morning. And even, even if you just get the end of the movie, at the end of the movie, he rides the motorcycle that breaks the sound barrier through the city streets. Double spirals lands on top of the bad guy's motorcycle. It explodes. He's rocketed forward. A bus almost runs his head over. The tire goes right here. And he shrugs. He's like, oh, Shane's like, should we get out of here? And he's like, all right. I'm cool. Torque. Oh, can I just interrupt for one second? I'm so sorry. But just before the line, which you guys said where the car flips over and he goes, shut up. He says, ADR'd line. Thank God for airbags. Right. Right. Because some executive was like, how did they live? Can we put a joke in there?