How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Drop Dead Fred LIVE! (w/ Casey Wilson)

Starting point is 00:00:00 It's like fight club, but for kids we saw drop dead Fred, so you know what that means Hey everybody! Hey everybody! Now it's time for our future! What's up, my dear? Hey, DJ, DJ, DJ, yeah! I'm a sh** in the world, I don't know what's going on in this country! Hey everybody! Now it's time for our future! Hello, people of Earth! And hello, people of Los Angeles!

Starting point is 00:00:47 We are here in Clippernation. I am your host, tall John Sheer. And I could not be more thrilled to be here tonight to talk to you about a movie called Drop Dead Fred. A movie that has caused the most controversy that we've ever had in the how did this get made universe. When this was announced, people were like, how could you? How dare you? I never have been more insulted in my life. But you know what, after watching the movie, I think you're all wrong.

Starting point is 00:01:32 Um, the movie is simply about a, I don't even know, I was like, not young. Not old. Like a 26 year old woman, whose imaginary friend comes back to Torture her That's all you really need to know if you've not seen the movie And it's dark. It's very dark and when you think it got really dark

Starting point is 00:02:02 They save some shit at the end to be like And when you think it got really dark, they saved some shit at the end to be like, it gets you. Like, whew, fucking watching Who's a Raper Junior Wolf, but tonight to dissect this movie, we have an amazing group of people. Of course, my excellent co-host, please welcome Mr. Jason Manzookas. What's up, jerks? How are we doing, L.A.? Welcome, Jason.

Starting point is 00:02:44 Thank you you John. Um, dropped dead Fred. Did you see it in the theater? Never seen this movie. For real, I've never seen this movie. I have long known what it was. I knew what the concept was. Never seen it.

Starting point is 00:03:02 Yeah. I knew there was this controversy about us choosing it, and I'm here to say, hot take, I love this movie. I love this movie. This movie gets it. Wow, a divided boom, a divided crowd. Well, guess what? You're going to have a companion in love.

Starting point is 00:03:26 Oh, buddy. Because, Woo-hoo! Let's get it going. Our next book takes four days. It is a movie worth dissecting. I mean, I don't even know if we have enough time before we take a stop.

Starting point is 00:03:40 I cried at the end of the movie. I cried tears for my lost childhood at the end of this movie. Somehow I will end up talking about this movie in therapy. Why is going on? I am shocked. I am speechless and I'm going gonna bring out another defender of this film A person who said this is her favorite movie Ladies and gentlemen, Miss June Dan Raggedo How are you June?

Starting point is 00:04:43 Hi Paul, how are you? Good, thank you. June, you were the reason that we have not done this movie earlier. I spoke about it to you about a year and a half ago. I said, I think we're going to do drop-dead, Fred, and you're like, how could you? The movie's perfect. It's my favorite movie. I wanted to recuse myself from tonight's podcast taping because this is truly one of my favorite motion pictures. And I want to spend some time once we introduce our guest talking about what this movie means to me. What it now means to me?

Starting point is 00:05:30 What it now means to Jason? I feel like I have finally become a woman. I saw this movie when I was 11 years old. This movie is why I wanted to pursue a career in acting. That's true. Without this film, you would not have seen me in NBC's Animal Practice. Other guest star roles I've done. You want to listen to this show?. You want a list of show?

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Starting point is 00:06:55 The host of her own podcast called Bitchesash. She also is one of the stars of Black Monday and she was on Happy Endings and marry me, please welcome Casey Wilson. Casey, welcome. Thank you for having me on this important night. Um, any opening thoughts on drop dead Fred? Did you see it?

Starting point is 00:07:30 First time, long time, what are you? First time I've seen it, and I will be honest. I love doing this podcast so much, but I feel angry. I feel very angry that I was made to watch what I found to be the most annoying. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well Here we go. No. Northern Earth are here. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Because you fools are about to get schooled. Honestly.

Starting point is 00:08:12 You really are. Alright. June get into it. You lead us off. So this movie is about women misbehaving. Yeah. It truly is. It is about things thatbehaving. Yeah. It truly is. It is about things.

Starting point is 00:08:29 The little girl is a little girl, and she is incentivized towards mischief, which is about a pedophile. It's about a pedophile. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. No, it is not. Why is this man only weird old men with young children? I had an imaginary friend who was age appropriate,

Starting point is 00:09:05 and not a purse. I think that. Two upscirt shots in this movie. Okay, so that's what I wanna say. That's what I, I liked that this movie is about this little girl not being able to experience loss and grief and all the traumas of childhood and what she feels about her mother.

Starting point is 00:09:23 She thought her mom was nice. Me too. Me nice. Me too. Me too. I'm dead. Finally. Finally, I know. I'm dead. I'm dead.

Starting point is 00:09:37 What I would have given for that mother. What? What? What? That was nice. What did you talk about? What is that, man? Katie, you're my friend! Are you insane?

Starting point is 00:09:49 The mom is a sociopath. What? What is the mother? The mother blames the daughter. She's easy. That's the aunt. The auntie is the daughter. You're the reason.

Starting point is 00:10:00 You're talking about abuse. That's not the mom. The mother had been pushed. But what? A child? Are you dating about? What's your name? Oh, this mother was a piece of shit at the end.

Starting point is 00:10:14 We're insane that little girl's life. Yes. People, let me be clear. Fred didn't do jack shit. That girl saved her own life. Yeah, Fred is Brad projection of herself Beautiful thing we're talking the same time now, Jason. We're on the same team. Let's not forget that Okay, we've got to turn on your time. Jason and June have left the stage.

Starting point is 00:10:47 We're better still talking on him. We got this, we got this, we're bad, we're good. We're good, we're good. We're okay. So, if you just want people to be wrong and they have to get a lot of energy going. June, can I talk to you over here for a second? Yeah. These motherfuckers can serve those. These motherfuckers are pushing my last button.

Starting point is 00:11:11 OK, we've got to go out there and just stay cool about it. OK, OK, let's go. OK, they're going to see. So anyway, the mob only reveals herself to be slightly problematic at the very last moments of the movie. Here's what I'm going to say. this girl, the first time we see her. Oh, we're still doing the show. Oh, cool. The girl, the first moment we see the girl, she's in bed. The mom is telling her a bedtime story and the girl goes, Marcia Mace and one of the all-time

Starting point is 00:11:40 greats playing the mother. Yes. She's, and we can agree. We can agree, the good-bye girl, she's a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful woman. And she says, the girl, young Phoebe Kates, what a pile of shit. Which, at which point I was like, now I understand why this movie is beloved by so many people who were young when this movie came out. Because it gave kids license.

Starting point is 00:12:05 I'm assuming young girls license to be like, oh, wait a minute. I get to be bad. This is, I get to be bad. I get to participate in bad things. Because the movie is about misbehaving, acting out, and it's about being horny for the first time. And that's why I'm so proud.

Starting point is 00:12:20 What is it about that? It's about horny for the first time? I mean, like that's to me about... Horny for the first time? I mean, like, that's to me or not, maybe for the first time, but it's about like, this movie is fucking horny. Yes, and I was about to say... Talking about sex and how long it lasts and all this stuff. Yes, and if you watch the movie in your reading, which is the... Horny version? Yes, and also, Fred is a projection of herself. Excuse me. Excuse me. We're back, baby.

Starting point is 00:12:52 We're back. If you look, if you read it in the sort of psychoanalytical way, I actually think it's meant to be viewed. It is a return to self. She meets herself at the end of the movie. Well, I don't like who she met. And it's about, it's also about the tension and the need for daughters to break from their mothers. And this is a very difficult thing that she struggles with obviously into adulthood in an inappropriate way. but it is about the idea of being able to misbehave and get free from the gravitational pull of this beautiful choice. Excuse me. That they make it the and I'm sorry. You got you.

Starting point is 00:13:33 You got this guy. Can you let June talk? Take a breath. Can you let June talk? I'm sorry. Can you let June talk? Can you let June talk? Can June talk?

Starting point is 00:13:41 It's a beautiful choice they make at the end of the movie is to actually not villainize the mother and to not make that moment where she says, goodbye to her mom and breaks away from her. Finally, a joke and they don't make you feel like she's rude to her or mean to her. There is an act of forgiveness in what she says, which is you should find a friend.

Starting point is 00:14:09 And it's so beautifully done. All right, go ahead, Gacy. But here's good. OK, I want to just talk about one thing. Don't you think he brainwasher? Don't you think Fred brainwasher? Fred doesn't exist. Remember, Fred does not exist. Don't we know if hewasher doesn't exist remember no

Starting point is 00:14:29 The other girl What the other girl at the end because he's still in Phoebe Kate's mind as when she sees that little girl Foundationally, let's foundationally approach this. Right. Do you guys believe this is a movie in which the character of Fred is a physical being in the world? No. No, but here's what I think the movie is from. So where does Fred come from? This is what I think it posits, okay?

Starting point is 00:14:55 I think this movie posits there's a world of imaginary friends because they all know each other, they all saw each other in that world. And in their, thank you, thank And then they're, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. He's the only one. Let me just finish my thought.

Starting point is 00:15:10 And they are doled out to other people. And the reason why Fred has not been doled out to somebody else is because he's been trapped in that jack in the box. But in the real world, they just clasped the hood. When at the end of the movie, we find that it's not Fred who's trapped in the box. It is she that is taking it to the bed. I love all of you.

Starting point is 00:15:28 She is Fred. She is not Fred. She is Fred. She is Fred. No, she is not. Fred is a manifestation. Fred is a manifestation of her id. Her uncontrolled, unbridled impulses.

Starting point is 00:15:39 Okay. I agree. She is in my brain. I agree with what you're both saying, however. Great. Don't talk anymore, right? Don't talk anymore, right? It's the worst execution of that idea I've ever seen.

Starting point is 00:15:54 Yes. It's confusing. I don't want to watch that. Because here's the thing. Here's the thing. You know what Freddy is not? Beetlejuice. Funny. Fred disagree.

Starting point is 00:16:05 Fred what I do think of. Oh! Wow. I think Fred is too Beetlejuice. Fred is not Beetlejuice because only she can see Fred, period. Okay, but I wanted to see Michael Keaton in that role. I mean, you are, wow. Guys, wait a minute.

Starting point is 00:16:22 I'm sorry. This is going to be a fight. You liked that actor? Loved him. I loved that actor. And I was attracted to him many times. Oh! Oh!

Starting point is 00:16:31 Robin. Many times. I'm sorry, man. Robin Williams turned this part down. I get it. I wrote, this is a Robin Williams riff, which I'm OK with. And Rick, the star that's me, Rick, turned down the sequel and Jim Carrey was attached and the studio went belly up.

Starting point is 00:16:49 But here's my question about this. Guys, I'm having a great time. I'm having the best. I'm having the best time. I'm having the best time. I'm having the best time. The show is just begun and I have a headache. I know I've been screaming because I have a headache.

Starting point is 00:17:08 You know why we're screaming because that actor screamed every line and I felt like I was in a hell of my own making and it's just continued into the podcast. Just yeah. Here's what I would say about this character and I want to talk about how it kind of is problematic towards women. Every man in the movie says, oh that's a girly thing man in the movie says, oh, that's a girly thing. That's a girly thing. That's a girly thing.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Even drop dead Fred's like, girly, oh, he's a girl. He's a girl. He vilifies women. And he vilifies the mother of a caldera, like a mega bitch. And then later on, he calls like the nanny a mega bitch. And I'm like, fucking Fred is a misogynist. Well, I have to disagree because again, I believe, I believe those lines are written by Phoebe Keiser character.

Starting point is 00:17:57 That's her own. Every time Fred talks, that's her saying you're a mega bitch. That's her saying those things. And how the fuck do I break in the monkey? Then how the fuck do I break in the monkey? She sunk the boat. She wanted to do that. She what?

Starting point is 00:18:11 Sunk that boat. Yes. She's acting out. She's a sulk! You're an ass! Wait. Whoa. We win.

Starting point is 00:18:20 We won. We won. Drop dead Fred. Drop dead Fred. Drop dead friend! Drop dead friend! Drop dead friend! I'm sorry, I just had to walk off the stage for a second. And I couldn't find Paul. And I couldn't find Paul. Did not want to sink that boat.

Starting point is 00:18:37 What purpose would you want to sink that boat? Her good friend, Carrie Fisher, who's having a very age-appropriate relationship with a young man. Here's the thing. He has the... Phoebe Kates also having... I bet I did the research, by the way. Phoebe Kates right now is 55 to Matheson 71. That is a giant age difference of her man to be, and I don't think they make much of that.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Well, he is a villain. He's like the villain of the... He's bad for her. I would have attracted to him. Well, he is a villain. He's like the villain of the, he's bad for her. I would attracted to him. Who with? There with what? Her husband, her husband. Her husband.

Starting point is 00:19:11 Charlie, you're attracted to Charlie? Oh, Casey. Casey. Yeah, so. Casey. He trash. He's a trash person. June, what attracted to Fred?

Starting point is 00:19:20 That was. Yes. Which is the face you was attracted to Phoebe Kate. That's correct. And I was also attracted to Phoebe Kate. That's correct. And I was also attracted to Phoebe Kate. So was she. So I was looking great. I love Phoebe Kate's, but I found this performance so

Starting point is 00:19:31 expressionless and don't try to tell me that was the role because I still have to watch something with my eyeballs. So you're telling me that the scene with her in the restaurant where she's doing that brilliant physical comedy. Yes, Jim. Yes, Jim. Yes, Jim. Yes, Jim. Yes, Jim. Brilliant. With her in the restaurant, where she's doing that brilliant physical comedy. Brilliant, brilliant, physical comedy. Okay, this is, let me ask you. I'm pretty sure I've based every performance, every instinct, every nickname.

Starting point is 00:20:02 This is a movie of is a moody a movie of muted Expressions right because everyone is muted like she's a scary fishery. I'm my invisible friends back She's like oh, okay, and this guy's like I love the way you think a houseboat everyone has Okay, this is what I did this is what I think I feel like this in the movie the movie is it is It's really hard because Phoebe Kate's in the scenes. I feel like with Carrie Fisher and that it is a story about mental illness essentially Like she's mentally ill Phoebe Kate's is not I agree

Starting point is 00:20:44 House dress to bed. She, she, because her mother dress is like not like that. Her mother dress is very, uh, nicely. Yes. And Phoebe Kates is still dressing like a little girl. Oh, look at this. Ha, ha. She, the mother assumes that Phoebe K's has dragged shit all over the floor.

Starting point is 00:21:06 Phoebe Kate, do do that. Okay, sure. Phoebe Kate, but the, she put shit on the right. And the mother goes like this, the mother who is a caring mother is like, okay, I gotta clean this up. Because she wasn't that bad.

Starting point is 00:21:19 Yeah, because she wasn't that bad. The mother, the mother was the main person. The mother said, does that have side effects? I thought that was nice. I only problem with the mother. She brought her to a child psychology. I thought she had a self-spoken. I'm worried.

Starting point is 00:21:33 I'm honestly worried about the both of them. And now at Jason, I feel sad. I don't feel as angry. I'm starting to feel upset. How did they not get them? What is going on? I don't know, but you have to listen to their phone release. OK, we might have to listen to their phone release.

Starting point is 00:21:46 Okay, we might have to fight them. Okay, let's go. And just again, be cool. Be cool. Welcome back. Welcome back, Jason. Oh, boy. No, we still doing the show.

Starting point is 00:22:06 So you think the Phoebe Kates wants to look up her mother's crotch and see cobwebs or see no underwear? Yes, I do. Because I think that, when you're that little girl, is the insult you say to your mother. Nobody wants you. You're old. You're dried up.

Starting point is 00:22:21 You're all the thing. By the way, that man that she was married to was a bad man. Where's the sympathy for her? He barely was a parent. He was the one that was like, shouldn't we let her indulge in her fantasy life? And the mom was like, no fantasy life for you. You ruined everything.

Starting point is 00:22:35 You're a trash kid. That was at the end. That doesn't make, when you say something at the end of the movie, that doesn't mean it's just occurred to you. That's your character's truth throughout. Great job, Jason. Oh, guys, this show might be the last episode of this podcast. Right.

Starting point is 00:22:54 I just want to let the audience know, you know, we were all together backstage and we actually had a very pleasant, I did not know this was going to happen. I really quite stunned. We all sat backstage. We were laughing. I wrote notes for this movie that any movie in history. I was going to read my notes, but it all says, this is the worst thing I've ever seen. This is astoundingly bad.

Starting point is 00:23:14 53 minutes left. I'm in hell. I'm running through. The movie became, it's a lifeless doll. Fred is an abuser. Glad he all was in the dark. Fred doesn't help her. Fred doesn't help her. Fred doesn't help her.

Starting point is 00:23:28 And why does she kiss Fred in the end? Yeah. What was going on? What the fuck? And don't try to get she down your style. Should she not develop a sexual relationship with herself? That's the first person she's been to. Or not, I'm interested in her. She's been in a sexual relationship with.. That's the first person she's been interested in.

Starting point is 00:23:45 She's been in a sexual relationship with. With her self. She's spent her body sexy. All Fred does is fuck her up at every given person. All she does is fuck herself up. So, my notes, my notes, my notes, my notes are along.

Starting point is 00:24:03 This movie is a fantasy for little girls and allows them to be disrespectful and bad, especially towards their mothers and is also super horny. Save it, save it for your medium post. You guys seem awfully caught up in the message and what's under this terrible movie. I was shocked, it was there. I was shocked. I was what. It was there. Yeah. I was shocked.

Starting point is 00:24:25 I was what was the content. I thought this was going to be problem child with an imaginary friend. Oh, that was so much fun. Just Dennis the Menace style hijinks. And it wasn't because all of Fred's hijinks are to get her to a place where she can make this break. And that was interesting. I'm going to tell you the best acting in this movie was the little girl version of Phoebe Cates.

Starting point is 00:24:47 When she steals herself, like when the mom's like, I'm gonna fucking kill Fred. She's like face covered and whatever shit she had on it. She's like, okay, you're gonna kill my friend. And it was like, I've never seen a little kid take in. Like, we're gonna kill somebody. We're gonna kill your friend. Fuck old Yeller.

Starting point is 00:25:08 This was real like his chin and she got up and cleaned up those fucking frosted flakes. Imagine, and you're telling me that the mother saying that is evidence of her being a good mother. If you open this again, I'm going to kill him. her being a good mother. If you open this again, I'm going to kill him. That's a good mother to you. She was right there. No, thank you. She's a chair. Okay, I just want to know just from a commuted perspective. Okay. Let's talk about the comedy. You think I'm scared to talk about the comedy? I will. I will. Talk about it. Here's the thing thing, Junior night, we love talking about comedy. Let's do it.

Starting point is 00:25:45 OK, then let's start. So Fred is her. OK, I'll go with that. Fred's her. Let's talk about comedy. Fred wants to push her to be a little more daring. Why was every single thing at 100 out of 1 to 10 of disgusting as anger was so loud, was horrible?

Starting point is 00:25:59 I didn't have one. Ah, the whole world. Well, that makes me feel sad for you. Yeah. Let's not let it go. Here's the thing is, you're the kind of person that is attracted to Charlie. You're the kind of person that's attracted to Charlie. You wouldn't understand why Fred is so funny.

Starting point is 00:26:15 You're trying to tell me that we're a different story. You're a Charlie girl. We're Fred girls. When she puts the napkin on her face and then pulls it down and says, Pe-a-boo. You did it. That was cute.

Starting point is 00:26:27 What? That was cute. I will look, I will look. She's shaking the water glass like that. I've never seen this before. Okay, but what's funny about the guy being like, you're crazy. Like, there was no reality.

Starting point is 00:26:37 That he found. Nobody in this movie treated her like a real person. If you were to reveal that she was in a padded cell and everything was imagined That would have been gross That would have been gross Why? Because the act, are you positing Paul that the act of growing from childhood to adulthood and the complex feelings that it brings out makes one insane?

Starting point is 00:26:59 She was throwing pasta Oh yeah, she's really growing because all people who have fun throw pasta in restaurants Restaurants that are oddly in a mall. He hit her in the face. He hit her in the face with a shuffle numerous times. What was funny about it? Talk about that. That's like the funniest. I just want I want to hear it because we were getting to this idea of is She Fred so we're gonna watch this idea of, is she Fred. So we're going to watch a scene where Fred meets all the invisible friends. And I want you to kind of tell me what you think is happening here.

Starting point is 00:27:33 This is a lot of comedy. So we're going to see all the friends, all the different ones. Turn around, dude. Watching you at the computer. We have a guy in an old, older man, no women. They're all, and they all are the computer. We have a guy in an all-old, all-older men, no women. They're all- That's coming. And they all are the exact same energy.

Starting point is 00:27:52 There is a woman who enters. Oh, yes. This is it. This is kind of the comedy. This is the comedy, June is the- I have to hear people laughing out there. This isn't the funniest scene, but I think you're doing. So now when Phoebe Kates looks at the scene, she only sees Fred Solo.

Starting point is 00:28:15 Right. The Fred is seeing all the other people, but you're saying the Fred is a manifestation of Phoebe Kates. But yet, Fred to then Fred has imaginary friends on top of it. Yeah. Yeah. Play it again. Play it again.

Starting point is 00:28:36 I think every manifest, I think if you're going to say that these are, I'm trying to draw the, what's, what's the movie called? Monsters Inc. So Monsters Inc is a thing that like, right, the kids can see the monsters but adults can't see the monsters. I only saw Monsters University, no big deal. Oh, which is the first. No, you're right. I just don't think it's right. Okay, anyway, I understand what you're saying. That Fred, if Fred isn't manifestation of Phoebe Kates, he doesn't have a point of view in himself that reference that he can see.

Starting point is 00:29:11 And there is certainly magical realism to the movie. I do believe the intention of a Fred is meant to be a representation of her id. I know what you're saying, but I still think- But you guys, it's a movie. I don't think that- Now who's standing up in Amitabha's star and you? No, it's a movie. I don't think that. Now who's standing up in Amitabha's star and you? When we talk about children's imaginary friends,

Starting point is 00:29:30 I don't think we ever think those are real things. Those are manifestations of the children's point. But why does if he be Kate's, see all the imaginary friends then? Because she would be imagining. Those kids came up with all of them. Right, but then that means that Fred lives in a world that's like Monsters Inc. I think that's like, yes, I think there is a

Starting point is 00:29:49 issue. And that's why he's able to transfer himself to another girl. It's a big budget comedy. They're going to take some liberty. It's not that big of a budget. You're going to take liberties where they need to. But they spent all the money and I loved every minute.

Starting point is 00:30:01 I love the choices. I love the budget. The budget, by the way, is $6 by the way, $6.7 million. $6.7, we did the movie Dead Fall in the Podcast. That was a $10 million movie. But yeah, $6.7, small budget movie. Well then they did a great job with what they had. What did you say?

Starting point is 00:30:20 What did you say? What did you say? Jason and June, I'm going to ask you one more time. Yes. And I want you to be honest and don't try to do this for them. Sure. I couldn't talk about them. Casey, do you want to do it for me?

Starting point is 00:30:33 Casey, do you want to go over it? I'm going to be sure to look at me and answer this. Yes. You found, don't, I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about, child different. You found the actor playing Fred to be funny and good. Kasey? Yes.

Starting point is 00:30:50 Yes. I can't stop. I am, listen, did everything land was it the most hilarious? No, but you must, but I could also see that, I don't think it was a multi-layered, do you have different movies? Yes, really. I think this movie is for younger people.

Starting point is 00:31:05 Any different mode but screen. I didn't tell you. I mean, do you think this is the kid's movie? To this movie when they were a kid. Now, I have a question for you. As adults, do you think this is a kids movie? No. This is a movie.

Starting point is 00:31:21 This is an adult movie that has elements of a story. I don't know that it's a kids movie. I disagree with you there, Jason. And then I'm scared to break ties with you, because it's really dangerous. Don't worry about it. We can be individuals. We are stronger apart as well as together.

Starting point is 00:31:35 Okay, great. No, I wrote, who is this movie for? I'm genuinely appositing that. I agree with that, because the movie is overtly sexual in a way that I actually was like I like that this movie is making dirty jokes for like Mailass I'm by the way good. I don't understand we live in a world where kids can't see or hear anything This movie has people Fred makes jokes about people dying death Fred makes jokes about sex things that kids are

Starting point is 00:32:03 Obsessed with and worried about is what Fred talks about. That's why he's talking. I think that's why he talks about only girls. You're acting like this is being there. I wish that you said. Yeah, if I asked him was playing Fred, I would feel very different. Listen, here's what I want to say about Fred's performance. And by the way, RIP, Rest in Peace. Yes. Yes. Rest in Peace. May he rest. Smatted. Rick Mayall, who by the way is Fred, amazing one.

Starting point is 00:32:31 The young one. Yeah. Great. Yes. Oh, that only a smatted one. And by the way, Rick Mayall also on Casey and I side because when they want him for a sequel, he's like, eh, no. He saw it.

Starting point is 00:32:42 He was like, yeah, no, thank you. Ad He was like, yeah, no thank you, Adios. I don't know. I think he thought I did it. I did it. I think his performance was wonderful and brave and committed. And I thought he acted with the young Phoebe Kates beautifully and the older Phoebe Kates beautifully. And every moment is not going to be perfect and wrapped up in a perfect little joke for you guys

Starting point is 00:33:11 Perfect jokes. Yeah, where you can recognize everything and point to the equation of comedy Yeah, about that X plus Y equals Is something very real very courageous and it sometimes fails. You know, June, I feel sad that you can't see this as a grown woman. Wow. Wow. I hate to see that, but you know, like see it with fresh eyes. Because and I understand where you're coming from, Italian with Clue. And I think that's a good movie, but you're like,

Starting point is 00:33:48 Clue, but that inspired me. That's a good movie. It's your favorite movie. Clue is a good movie. Clue is a good movie. Clue is a line I was never in Sumatra. That clue? Love quarters.

Starting point is 00:34:01 Is there a line in Clue as searing as I should never have let my mother know how much she could hurt me? Woof! That took my breath away. That's what I am saying about that. That line is in this move! I am right! Why? Why? No! It doesn't earn that. You're like, that's a movie takes such a fucking left turn. I think this is exposing and again I don't want it at all. But some things going on with you, too. Oh, wow. Wow. OK.

Starting point is 00:34:33 And I'm afraid that maybe Paul and I are in the right years of childhood. I don't know. This movie, this is what it gets me so frustrated. Fred is doing, I think, jack shit, the entire movie besides fucking with her, and then she takes a pill and then goes to this magical world where she's dead, and then Fred's like, I figured it out. What?

Starting point is 00:34:55 What, what? When nothing came in handy in that world, like she goes to this magical place, she heals herself. You mean she spoke to her childhood self. But how was that her inner child and she knows her inner child? So if you take pills, you can see your inner child. Are you wanna talk about psychiatry now?

Starting point is 00:35:16 And if you usefulness, that is to say when Harry Potter dies and goes to King's cross station and talks to Dumbledore, right? And then he's- I've only seen the play. Oh, boy. You know when Scorpius comes in and he says, no, I'm not doing Curse Child. No, I think, again, that's a, that is a world of her imagination.

Starting point is 00:35:40 She is either drugged or she is experiencing that. She is going and healing herself, I think. That is setting herself free, allowing herself to mature into adulthood. The goal of all therapy, all analysis, all wellness, is not that we give it over to someone else to do. It's that we're given the tools. By the way, this feels that we just tune in to June's title. To Mother Ourself. Yes. June behind a giant poster of drop dead Fred talking with one of those Madonna vibes.

Starting point is 00:36:12 By the way, June, I will remake this movie with you, June. Jason, you would be my greatest honor. Somebody call us. Somebody call us. We will do this. I would play the guy who fucks Perry Fisher. I wish she was with the actors in the comedy. So I'd love to see the two of you do it. What'd you say? I'd love to see the two of you do it. Thank you, Casey. Yeah. I appreciate that. You're welcome. And I want to give you guys that. And you can be the mom. I'll be Carrie Fisher. I think Paul said he wanted to be Carrie Fisher.

Starting point is 00:36:46 I want to be Carrie Fisher. I want to be Carrie Fisher's boyfriend who goes, I only had wet dreams. Yeah. Gross. Gross. But here's the thing. What's, here's the thing, Carrie Fisher is fuck Marv,

Starting point is 00:36:59 is that his name? By the way, Carrie Fisher lives in a fucking riverboat. Like, what the fuck is that? It's a condo. Riverboat what the fuck is that? Condo. Riverboat condo. But that was like to me, that's like any woman in the 90s who's stepping out of like the norms of society who's not married with children, like,

Starting point is 00:37:14 they're going to relegate to a houseboat. Yes. Yes, you can't be in an unmarried woman in your 30s. And I'm not. I've made two other insane choices. That's it. It's like I'm not married, I'm in my 30s, I guess I live on a houseboat or I guess I fly a helicopter to work. I don't know. It's like it might as well be any of that. I was obsessed with the houseboat, but I loved too that Carrie Fisher is like

Starting point is 00:37:42 tells Phoebe Kate's that sex can last all night and Phoebe Kates is like, I didn't know that. What was going on with her and Tim Mathis and like, what was that relationship? How long were they together? Why did they meet? Why did he settle for her? Because she doesn't seem to have any of the things that he... Why did he settle for her?

Starting point is 00:38:00 She's literally one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. She's so fucking lovely. most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. He's so fucking lucky to be settled for her. Man, you're on a huge early stage. He's got an NFL. Bridget Fonda. Bridget Fonda, who seems so with it. So normal. Bridget Fonda, uncredited cameoo did not take the credit we are Well here happy I'm having genuinely so much fun. I do feel bad. I feel like we've been at a 20 Collectively for the entirety of the pie. Yes. I have swept through all of my clothes. I

Starting point is 00:38:43 Feel exhausted. I have a through all of my clothes. I feel exhausted. I have a blinding headache. I apologize to everyone. I apologize as well. So, Karlin, hot still, we talk about like, what was going on though? Because I did think it was a weird thing. And I thought it was intentional that all,

Starting point is 00:39:03 that these two young women in the film were with much older men. Like what kind of, what were they kind of showing there? If that was an odd choice. Well, listen, there's a lot of problems. I think it's actually to return back to why so many of the imaginary friends are male. I would say, and why so many of the little girls have male and little boys have male imaginary friends. I think little girls simply can't imagine

Starting point is 00:39:31 because they haven't seen representations of women behaving badly, representations of women doing what they should not be doing. And so they're actually imagining men doing it, boy characters. It's my little girls when they write stories. Usually don't cast the hero as a little girl. Representation matters, you guys.

Starting point is 00:39:52 So when you argue that drop dead friend would be better if it was dead Fredrick? No, I think it was realistic. And I think it was showing that she didn't have a paradigm for, she didn't have a paradigm for, she didn't have any modeling for her curiosity and her. Okay, I have a question, Jen. I'm genuinely wondering this, if drop-cut Fred was around to kind of show her how to be

Starting point is 00:40:16 bad, how come it didn't take when she was younger? Right. And then he had to come back. What do you mean? It took in the sense that like she was acting out as she was, as her parents' marriage was failing as things were happening around her that she was uncomfortable with, that she was acting out and acting out and acting out

Starting point is 00:40:35 until at such a point that her mother was, gave her such a threat that she had to literally, she boxed up all that was her kind of, her id-driven personality, what was acting out, what would have become, whatever, a grown, a dull point of view. But she took a big thing and boxed it up. She had to do it. She repressed that part of her is what it is. She took a break, so Fred came back when she had to break up.

Starting point is 00:41:02 Because of trauma and grief and loss. I am thinking she repressed. She repressed. I am just kidding. I am thinking she's in place. She's coming around. I just want to know. No, I just think I understand that. I think she repressed a lot of stuff. And that's why I think the end is better than the movie needs it to be. Like, I feel like the end is like, you leave the movie and go, whoa, what?

Starting point is 00:41:20 That was what I was watching. But it doesn't like the first hour and 20 don't lead up to those last 20. Or maybe you weren't listening and watching as closely as you should have. I'm sorry it wasn't spoon fed to you guys. I just think... I just like to be entertained at the end of the day. And I do. I hear what you're saying about these messages. I just didn't feel any entertain. Like, am I supposed to feel empowered by a woman who is almost 30, taking a booger out and wiping on her boyfriend's face?

Starting point is 00:41:53 Like, you go, girl. You're a great point, pal. Is that a real picture or an impol? Is that you empowered? You go, you go, girl. That's empowered. That's a, that's a that's a, we have queen. I stand with Paul.

Starting point is 00:42:07 But I mean like what, like is that pool? Is that like sick? Yeah, it's like, wouldn't you want her to do something that like, does she have to be a child to be an adult? Yes, she does, because she was trapped in that moment when her father left, when her family fell apart, when she took that on as her own fault that her dad and her male savior. Which she internalized the blame that her mother laid off. It was a little bit her fault.

Starting point is 00:42:31 Wow. It was a little bit her dad. I agree. The father. Wow. You are shaking. We are amazing children together. Wow.

Starting point is 00:42:39 I am deeply concerned. This show will lead to divorce. We should have saved this for the last show on the tour. No, no, I missed the Meghan Markle one we did last time. I thought there was an issue with the way their relationship was set up because the father was kind of didn't want a parent. She goes, what do you know about parenting? And he's like, huh, left. That was a thought of pretty shit move on his part. But he was like, I don't want to reprimand her. I don't want to do anything. He didn't want to think responsibly.

Starting point is 00:43:18 The mom's in there working her ass off trying to make sense of things. She's like, I agree with that. Don't fucking mess up the kitchen. Don't put dog shit on the fucking back. Listen, that's what's beautiful about this movie. I believe that as abusive as Marcia Mason is, that she's also a product of her own upbringing. She's also a product of... She needs a friend. Yes, she needs a friend.

Starting point is 00:43:41 She needs to be a friend to herself. She was... When did it matter if she dropped that Fred became her friend at the end agree Adult Baby cakes didn't get an imaginary friend as an adult. It's the same imaginary friend from her child But then he goes off and work with somebody else. I mean sort of I mean, yes, but I think that's the movie it's a movie Let's talk about this guy though the mother of institutionalizes her in the home and keeps her like drugged into like nonsense. The guy is a nurse.

Starting point is 00:44:30 She's fucking dangerous. I could argue that her mother is that VBK's is a little, is her mother's friend, her own version of Fred, because she is projecting so much onto this child about her own self. This mother is so upset by this little girl causing a mess, because she can't handle mess of herself. I think the mother's whole thing is about control. I think the mother is exerting control on all elements,

Starting point is 00:45:02 the rug, the carpet, the this, the that, Phoebe Cates, Phoebe Cates' life, Phoebe Kates' marriage. But when you sign onto parenting, you have to accept that. And you do sign paperwork, right? You have. You must. A lot of paperwork. That guy might be 7-11 was strict.

Starting point is 00:45:18 I need to give him three forms of ID for those kids. This child is outside of me, and you have to release that control, which is why it was so hard for her to be a parent. She wanted just to connect with her, she's alone, she's trying to do everything to her. No, no, she's not. She is basically undermining her own daughter to Charles. She's going behind Phoebe Kates's back to Mathisyn being like, you gotta get her back,

Starting point is 00:45:44 you gotta take me a bite. Like acting, not in her daughter's best interest, but in what she believes is best for the daughter. She was trying to help. Thank God she got her that hair cut. I don't disagree about that. I think we're all saying the same thing about the mother, which is ultimately hurt people, hurt people.

Starting point is 00:46:01 Wow. Okay, end of story. Let's, let me just drop a little bit of information on you guys. I'm not surprised that you two like it, because this is actually written by someone who wrote another movie for How Did This Get Made, a movie called Hurricane Heist.

Starting point is 00:46:18 Boom! Yes, this is a movie. I don't remember that movie. This movie was also shot in Paisley Studios, which is Princess Studios where they shot under the under the cherry moon cherry the moon and purple rain It's the only non-prince movie shot there and apparently Prince would hang out on the sets at night When no one was there after hours hours, like just prints hanging out in the drop dead Fred.

Starting point is 00:46:47 Which are the most ugly assets. But I did want to talk about this boyfriend because Fred is often cutting him down. He's a girl, he's a girl, he's a girl. And this boyfriend. Again, Phoebe Kate's is saying that, but go on. And also, yeah, go ahead. But why would Phoebe Kate be saying he's a girl?

Starting point is 00:47:07 Wouldn't she be like oh this person actually cared about me. Self-hatred. She has self-hatred, she doesn't seem like she has that. And also she has internalized misogyny. And she is conditioned to choose the Timathasins of the world, the dicks, the people that treat her poorly, that she doesn't know, she, her own mind is, when presented with a good option, undercuts that option and cuts it,

Starting point is 00:47:32 it doesn't even make it look appealing to her, because it's, her picker is like, conditioned by I'm assuming her mother to be like, Charles is, Charles is, Charles is, only Charles is what we do. But this guy, I would say, if you say the Phoebe Kates needs help, she is seriously depressed. This guy, I think, also, runs out of time.

Starting point is 00:47:51 Yeah, he was standing on the tree branches outside of her house. Yeah, he is on a home not very yet. That's very weird. Yeah. I mean, I thought it was really weird. I thought it was really weird. There was definitely, listen, I loved this movie, thematically I loved to lie about it,

Starting point is 00:48:10 but there was a bunch of nonsense in this movie. I thought it was weird that he bumps into her and is like, Elizabeth? Like, from like, from 25 years ago? Oh, like that was, no, you don't recognize somebody with that much time in between. But he never fell out of love with her. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:26 I guess maybe that's it. But he also said, I got divorced here. And it seemed unclear, like, as if he said, like, oh, I just come here to visit. This is where I got divorced. Or I just got divorced today. Let's play a little bit of their romantic chemistry here. Can you see the dinner scene? No, Mickey's fault puns.

Starting point is 00:48:44 You're letting him grow up. Go away. What? I'm sorry. No, no, no, don't apologize. I love being with you. I love the way you cut your hair. I love the way you think houseboats.

Starting point is 00:48:59 Look at him. He's still talking about his love. Oh, he said you should be a girl. You know, some people believe Look at him, he's still talking about his love. Oh, he said you should be a girl. Mm-hmm. You know, some people believe that you really never, ever fall out of love. No. Look, this isn't like when we were five. We're grown-ups now, so piss off.

Starting point is 00:49:17 I'd like to know more about the grown-up Mickey Buns. Okay, I... Well, I know Well, uh... I don't know how much you... And you pause the scene and you pull out and you're in the same asylum together and they're eating on steel plates and it's the same... fucking thing

Starting point is 00:49:38 You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, he looks more dead in the eyes than she does This is a dead in the eye. Well, this is before he becomes a paramedic on ER. So, like, I think for him, for him, he's like, he's not sure where he is yet, you know, he's lost, he's lost, he's, you could, I guess your move is lost as well. This movie's arguing that because he left when he left and his childhood, love for her was interrupted, that there's some element of freedom that he needs as well. His most romantic line to her is that the end he goes, Hey, you got a lot of options in your life.

Starting point is 00:50:12 I'd like to be one of those options. Bestill my heart. Hey, you know, wow, you'd like to be one of the options. I like that he's letting her know he's available and she can choose. He's not forcing himself on her He's not saying I'm the answer to all your problems I also think he's one of the few people who saw her childhood self reckless, you know

Starting point is 00:50:38 My boy and he liked and he liked it. Yeah, and that's what he's responding to Fears makes that mud pie for dinner, but has no recollection of it. She goes, oh yeah, dropped in fray. She's fucking creepy, man. Pasty, how dare you. Pasty? More, I'm scared of more.

Starting point is 00:50:59 Pasty, kiss his hair. More, more. You know what, Genie, the part I loved in the movie was right before Fred came leading up to it. It was like the first 13 minutes. I thought this was like a fun kind of like working girl weird. Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead, like a fun premise that led to just such insanity.

Starting point is 00:51:17 That I thought it could have like built more. It was just such a freight train of insanity. I wouldn't have minded, I agree in the sense that I wouldn't have minded more rules. I wouldn't have minded knowing how agree in the sense that I wouldn't have minded more rules. I wouldn't have minded knowing how it worked more. We're a law rule, yeah. Knowing how it worked more. Like the Gladiolus, he's bouncing around like a green ball.

Starting point is 00:51:32 Yeah, every time she sneezes, he flies away. I agree. Well, why? Well, that's just fun. I think that was like, yeah. But she's not, he's not affected by any other movement of her besides that. I agree.

Starting point is 00:51:49 Like stuff like that's what I mean. Like there could have been more rules. Like when a sneaky Friday, the rules are terrible, but they're so clearly set up, they're still like, okay, but this I was like, I feel scared. What's happening? I don't disagree in that sense. Like there was, like, it works like fight club,

Starting point is 00:52:05 like you said Paul, I thought that was a good example because in retrospect you understand that all of the physicality that Brad Pitt performed, Ed Norton performed. You know, Ed Norton, the eyes of everybody else must have done it. And you have to presume the same here. Any physicality that Fred is able to do or able to exhibit is done by Phoebe Cates. We just don't get a chance to exhibit is done by Phoebe Cates.

Starting point is 00:52:25 We just don't get a chance to see it. Wait, so Phoebe Cates is looking up her mother's dress. Phoebe Cates? Yes, Paul, yes. Right in the right hand, right in the right hand. No, no, no, no. Okay, that is amazing. When they come home and there's a note from Charles to her

Starting point is 00:52:38 that's da da da da da da da da, who wrote that note? Fred. Of course not. Phoebe Cates wrote that note. No, Pfft. Of course not. Phoebe Kate's wrote that note. No, that's insane. Guys, she's not that outwardly insane. People would have been dragged her out of a party

Starting point is 00:52:52 if she was lying under that dress for that. Yeah. By the way, that party was fucked up. Who has a wine tasting party? Like, hmm, let's drink spit. Like ew, like I get that as a one. Who has that? The guy that you guys love has that.

Starting point is 00:53:09 At least he has that thing going on. He's a guest. He's a guest. No, that's the only thing I do think I really think. You guys are forgetting. You both are forgetting. Yeah, get him, June. Get him, June.

Starting point is 00:53:23 What it is to be a child. Yes. To be curious, to be wondering, to be messy, to be angry, and sad, and all of it to be over me. This story is about grief and trauma and the power of one's imagination. Here again, I love everything you two are discussing. I would love to see that movie. You saw that movie. You just didn't open your eyes enough to really

Starting point is 00:53:54 You saw the rough draft. You know what I feel bad for? I feel bad that you guys saw a movie through the eyes of adults. Yeah, that's what happened here. That's what I feel bad for. I feel bad that you guys have forgotten how to look at a movie through the eyes of adults. Yeah, that's what happened here. That's what I feel bad for. I feel bad that you guys have forgotten how to look at a movie through a child's eye. I saw the movie through Annabella's eyes. And she's a woman I could get behind. She's not gonna go back with tomatoes.

Starting point is 00:54:18 And she's like, you know what, honestly, who says the name of the woman they're sleeping with that much? Annabella. When talking to her. No, Annabella. No, Annabella. Annabella, listen.

Starting point is 00:54:28 Annabella. Wait, Annabella. Annabella, you've got to listen to me. Annabella, everything's working out with Lizzy Annabella. Annabella, listen to me. Now listen. I felt like they just kept the camera rolling on him, and he was like, Annabella's on the other end of that part.

Starting point is 00:54:40 Like Annabella, Annabella, that's all I know. Only the only scene I really took issue with was that reveal. Oh, yeah. I just felt like the writing was a little sloppy there in that one, in that part, in just that part. Because I felt like it could, there could have been a better reveal for her to find out that he was still with her and not just over here by peeking through. Just an accidental sneeze that shot him over a wall that happened to be in a

Starting point is 00:55:07 loft. I guess we're the walls that didn't hit them. Okay, sure architecture. Weird prints, whatever. Like that's what happens and then her big moment of triumph is dumping a salad which totally tells an actress choice like Tim Adley is like, don't put soup on my fucking head. Give it the salad. I'll take that. And don't put dressing on it either. I want it easy. Well, you guys really identify with math this is.

Starting point is 00:55:31 They really did. You're like, you're out here in the world being like, don't put mud on my pants. Don't put salad on my head. Don't criticize me for still sleeping with Annabella. You know what? We're out here representing the Phoebe Cates' and the Fred's who are just trying to be horny weirdos living in the world.

Starting point is 00:55:51 I don't mean to speak for you, Julie. By the way, I believe it was April who pointed out that Bridget Fonda is wearing stockings, so it would be very hard to see if she was wearing underwear or not. I thought the same thing, but I thought that she or their sheer. And then it would be very hard to see if she was wearing underwear or not. I thought the same thing, but I thought, no, she or her. She or her. And then also, why would she? Do you not wear underwear stockings?

Starting point is 00:56:10 Some do. Some times, you don't. Well, what? That we can agree on, June. What is this going to be? Let's go into the crowd, so you all have to say. I would love you to tell me your name and what team you're on. Are you team Fred? Are you team Mom or team Fred?

Starting point is 00:56:34 What do you think, team Mom? What is it? It's a team Fred and team Mom who will be the best way to do it. No, because to just pit Fred against everyone just like team sanity Yeah team Fred I guess team Fred or team mom you said that and That's why you really want to stand behind the mom wild that's what he said he's saying he's team mom I do too. Wow. All right. This man why this is wild ma'am your name Team Sanity, and your question. Janette, Team Sanity for sure.

Starting point is 00:57:10 Janette, not cool. Not cool. I'm like, we're enemies now. If we accept that Fred is Fidi-Kate's, why as- If we accept it- If we accept it- We Fidikates, why as if we accept it? If we accept it, let her finish. Who are Fidikates? The actual premise of the movie.

Starting point is 00:57:30 Yes. If a adult, we are so feuding. Who is very clearly sexually active with her fiance. Why is Fred's only concept of sex pigeon stomping on each other? Like doing that as an adult, right? Because she is sexually repressed. Yes! Maybe Kate's as a grown woman is sexually repressed.

Starting point is 00:57:53 Yes! So she never touched his dick. I think she is. She did. Because she's dick. Oh, you're being honest. By the way, Paul, is that your definition of a woman's common talk? What is happening?

Starting point is 00:58:03 What is happening? What is happening? What is happening? What is happening? What is happening? What is happening? What are we doing? What is happening here? What are we doing? My father's doing it. This is a huge problem.

Starting point is 00:58:13 This is a region. So disturbing, you just said that. We can't live like this. What I was saying was Fred seemed so shocked at seeing a penis. But Paul, no, what you're saying, what you just said. Yes, dude. Yes, dude. What you just said and implied is that for her to be fully sexually awake in her own body,

Starting point is 00:58:33 the only way we would know that is if she touched a dick or not. Yes! No, no, no. You're so much, my friend. But, team Fred, my name is... Team Fred, dude no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible.

Starting point is 00:59:12 She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She's totally responsible. She doesn't save him every morning. Yeah, that was the saying every morning, this is what they do. Does she save him every morning?

Starting point is 00:59:27 And she's all over him every morning. That's a, that would be a wild routine. Ma'am, your name, team Fred, team Sanity, and your question. I'll do Mike. Ronack and I'm clearly team Sanity. Paul, I know you are somehow assessing these people out. Yes. We need another team for the question out of it.

Starting point is 00:59:50 It's not about defining them. There's one question over here on your side. I don't trust Paul's picking. I think you are selected. I'm choosing great people, the questions of the game busters. We'll get to the balcony in a second. I've been thinking, you better represent. I have a balcony in a second. I'm gonna- Belkini, you better represent. I have a question specifically for Jason.

Starting point is 01:00:08 So at one point you said, and I paraphrase, that Fred is the fit of physical manifestation of her id, of her most primal instincts. That is basically the premise for Bigmouth. And what I'm asking is, how do you not understand that these people live in a separate plane when you are in a show that is also based on that very premise.

Starting point is 01:00:31 Bam, bam, bam. Hey Jason, it's down. Hey, Jason, that's down. Wow. I think you are misrepresenting. It is not an equal comparison. I think big mouth. I'm also on big mouth, by the way.

Starting point is 01:00:53 Yeah. June also on big mouth and you're great on it. I think those in the Venn diagram of those two shows, of course, think there is overlap. But big mouth positive world in which there is a monster's ink style infrastructure for the hormone monsters. Multiple kids can see the same hormone monsters. There is a magical realism to it.

Starting point is 01:01:17 So many different. Or participate in. And I think that this, those are not imaginary friends. Those are not manifestations of each kid's thing. Those are people that come to those kids to help guide them through puberty. Fred is an imaginary friend, and I think we can all agree. A child's imaginary friend comes out of their psyche.

Starting point is 01:01:39 It does not come and is not imposed on them. An imaginary friend is not given to a child. A child manifests his imaginary friend. Do we all agree with that? Can we agree with that? Can we agree with that? Can we agree with that? Can we agree with that?

Starting point is 01:01:52 Can we agree with that? Not enough people are clapping. Not enough at all. I think I would say that yes, but this movie doesn't posit that. Yes. Yes. Well, this is the most divisive movie. And how did this get made history?

Starting point is 01:02:13 Team Firm. Yeah, it is problematic to have a team sanity. And I put that in quotation marks. Remember asking for questions from Team Firm. All right, why don't you hop on for a minute up there? We should have a rep out there taking questions. I'm just saying. It doesn't feel afraid.

Starting point is 01:02:31 You're afraid to come up here. I just know they'll try and touch me. All right. Because that's what team friends do. Honestly, we know how many team sanity members are in the audience. It's not safe for us out there. Yeah. All right. And the team Fred people are gonna try and touch our boobs and butts All right, by the way, these are this is the t-shirt. We need to make two t-shirts here one is that's team Fred and one says team sanity

Starting point is 01:02:57 That is it that is right. That's gotta be it All right, man. Your name, your team, your question. Amelia, I'm team Sanity. And my question is really for the team of Fred, people like us. You're saying that Fred is Phoebe Kate's. But then, as I said it a number of times. People are still struggling to comprehend. But at the end, there's another little girl who has dropped dead Fred as Fred has heard about this again.

Starting point is 01:03:30 And Phoebe Cates cannot see him, but he has dropped Fred. It's still dropped dead Fred, so he has transferred to another child. Yes, yes, you're saying that she came up with him. How do you reconcile that? Great question, team. Saturday. So then you're saying this movie is not a movie about imaginary friends that

Starting point is 01:03:56 represent the psychology of the child that they are with. These are imaginary friends who just cycle through children and do yes. Yes. That's the last thing I want. children and do yes. Yes, yes. And you can go on. I'm actually standing.

Starting point is 01:04:07 What? That's crazy. So, no. And I want you to know what I'm saying. Or sit down. So, I want you to examine this. You're simple tins if that's what you think. And honestly, why are you?

Starting point is 01:04:19 Let's. Then it can't be based on her father. Then it can't be based on her father. Let's. No, it's what are you talking about. What are you centering Fred and not Phoebe Kate? Yes, this is the story of her not it's... That might be not God's talk about it. We want to talk about it. It's called Drop Dead Fred.

Starting point is 01:04:39 It's his journey. You are representing the patriarchy. We are toppling it. And first of all, let's get into that moment with that little girl, since everybody's so troubled by it. We don't see that it's Fred. We don't know that it's Fred. We do. We do.

Starting point is 01:05:00 It could be a rejection of BBK's assuming it's Fred. No, we do. It could be a rejection of BB Kate's assuming its friend Other friends in the psychiatrist office they're just as capable of showing us another friend with that little girl Image of the movie is the creepiest image of all time. It's a freeze frame on a girl like, ee. That's when I cried. That's when I cried. We didn't see it. But you realized that Fred was going to help another little girl

Starting point is 01:05:38 who is in a split pose? But this is coming your own point. He's going to go on and help another friend because he's not from her psyche. Oh my god. He's just a fucking weird ass guy. God. God. God.

Starting point is 01:05:52 Do we live in a- I put in my yes and put in my finger up to your paw and amazin' it. That, I believe, I will agree. I still think it's a story of an imaginary friend. But I think the movie allows in a bit of magical realism at the end so that Phoebe Cates can feel as though that other young girls going through the same she goes.

Starting point is 01:06:11 How does it know? And honestly, that's what elevates this movie. Yes. The moment elevates this movie, it's not just about listen to me, Paul. It's not just about her own journey. It's about a political statement and her looking at other young girls who are coming up after her. And she's thinking to herself, I've got

Starting point is 01:06:31 to look at this. That girl just surprised me. And she's happy and relieved that another little girl is not in a prison of like expectations. Can I just say something, Jean? Can I just say something? Isn't it more powerful though than at the end if she saw it was drop dead Fred and she's like now cool because then she'd be like the best stepmom because she sees drop dead Fred. No that's you've misunderstood the movie entirely. She needs to let go of that. That's inappropriate to still have an imaginary friend as an adult, to not have integrated those components

Starting point is 01:07:09 of yourself into an adult psychology. It's inappropriate. I'm not saying that he has to work with her, but she could acknowledge that it exists. Wait, sorry, we're on like, I'm not seeing you, Paul. Sorry, I'm up in the balcony. Say it again. But I was saying that not that he's

Starting point is 01:07:26 going to be with her forever, but just that she could see him because they had the question. Why do you need that? Great question. Why do you need that? Great question. That's your need. I'm just saying, see, Kate doesn't need to see him anymore.

Starting point is 01:07:39 Because what Phoebe Kate has seen is herself. You mean when she went out of bed? What can I really feel? But clearly, friends, I can't be separate from her. I got a fucking jump. Because what Phoebe Kate has seen is herself. You mean when she came out of the bed? But clearly, Fred's like, I can't be separate from her. I got a fucking jump the closest I can. I'm gonna jump to that dude who I think is a lady to his kid. So in the off chance, if Phoebe Kate's around,

Starting point is 01:07:57 I'll still get my juice and I can look up her skirt, like a fucking purge. Like Fred doesn't let go of her. I disagree. Fred, Fred could go anywhere. He might go insane. And that whole scene, Fred is only paying attention to the new little girl that he's helping.

Starting point is 01:08:16 He looks at her. He doesn't. I want to pull it up. I don't even see him in that scene. I think because he's. So you don't love her see-friend, myself. You don't love her him in that scene. I think because he's a lot more see-for-me-self. You know a lot more see-for-me. All right, our first month here.

Starting point is 01:08:29 I made a full body sweat. A mammure name. Your name, your team, your question. Alyssa, and honestly at this point, I have no idea. I've gone back and forth so many times. But so, continuing on with the little girl, like, Phoebe Gates, in the very beginning when Fred showed up, he's like, you're not happy.

Starting point is 01:08:48 I can't leave until you're happy. So he shows up to little girls who are unhappy and psychologically abusive households because that mother was psychologically abusive. No, she wasn't. I don't think, she said, I don't think I love you as much as I used to to a five year old. But he was there, but he was there before that.

Starting point is 01:09:08 That was the end. Like, is she, because where did she pop up? That's the end of the relationship. My question is, is like, so he can only be there when she's unhappy. He even Mickey or Mikey, the guy, he reminded her. He was like, oh yeah, he would show up whenever your mom was especially herself or a mega bitch. And so now I'm kind of thinking like, OK,

Starting point is 01:09:31 so drop dead friends with his little girl. It's he a psychologically abusive person. Great question, June. OK, that's a great question, because what bottom of the game about the movie? And I know you guys love this aspect of Fred. You guys are acting like Fred comes in and is just like Silly and crazy and messy and pushing the limit Fred is so fucked up

Starting point is 01:09:51 Like it's not what I want to be very clear about this I am saying that Fred represents what is fucked up about growing up sex Death grief loss these are the things he talks Puping and puking and sex and fuck you. I would argue that Fred is a representation of the horror of being a body. Or a dead serious. His fascination with boogers and with the whole of that stuff.

Starting point is 01:10:20 That he is a full representation of the horror of being a physical body in space. I think he's also representing the other thing, like of the kid things that you're supposed to either be leaving behind as you grow up, or the things that are scary to you as you're a kid and learning about them. So you're obsessed with boogers and farts and poops

Starting point is 01:10:40 and all that and making messes and mud pies and all the rest and then also looking ahead and being like what is sex about what is all this What does it mean to like feel this stuff or know this stuff about the adults in my life or about my own desires or urges? Now listen for also I don't think Mickey is abusive. Let's just clear this up. I don't think Charlie No, whatever his name is I don't think he's an abusive parent, but that child has gone through something traumatic, which is the loss of her parents as a couple. They're divorced.

Starting point is 01:11:11 And his look, yes. So of course, that child has created this other person to help her through this. Right, which is not, so she's created the exact same person that Phoebe Kates has or as our learned audience member pointed out that when little girls are unhappy Fred visits them like fucking Santa Claus. Wow, it is so interesting to me.

Starting point is 01:11:35 Listen, you know what again I don't care, I just which it was an enjoyable version of whatever. What's so interesting is like, it's weird around it, around we go. Where'd this show over? I'm so curious that for the vast majority of you, you see Fred as an independent character in the movie. Who's intent is sexual manipulation and or abuse?

Starting point is 01:12:06 You nailed it, you nailed it. Thank you, Jason. All right. You're nailed. Name your team your best. Kyle. My name is Phil. I'm Team Fred all the way.

Starting point is 01:12:15 Yes. Thank you. And my question. We're losing people. I know. As we go, we are losing people. If you were assigned an imaginary friend in your adulthood, what actor would you like to play them? Great question. Great question. I mean, I got mine, the rock.

Starting point is 01:12:32 Marcia Mason. Honestly, Fred himself. The Swedish pop singer Robin? I mean, I would like to spend some time on the kiss between Phoebe Keats and Fred at the end of the show. I'd love to. I'd love to. The good bye kiss. Because I was, and I've seen this movie a number of times, and each time it surprises me and delights me. She only and delights me. I just love it because you're not expecting a kiss on the lips. No, you're not. No, no, it's off-putting.

Starting point is 01:13:15 Yeah, you're not. I agree, it's weird. I didn't find it weird at all. I loved it. And I loved it because it was to me her her Finally coming into her own as a woman what I will give you is that it wasn't sexual it was very weird She was like in obviously we have to kiss. She's like of course of course It wasn't sexual at all and yet it was a little bit is that when you were attracted to them both

Starting point is 01:13:43 Did you try to Fred several times throughout the movie? June, when you were young and watching this movie, did this movie make an impact on you sexually? Absolutely. When I tell you guys, I was attracted to Fred. I was attracted to Fred. I am attracted to Fred.

Starting point is 01:13:59 Because I like, and I think it is, I like a movie that, and I think it is, I like a movie that has like young people in it, but see, I think that you guys, it's so interesting. You guys are consumed with Fred because he's saying dirty things, doing dirty things, cursing that he is like a threat or a villain to a child, but really like children think and know this stuff and he's just a representation of that understanding and that curiosity I think to say to I totally agree now say it kids kids to to neuter if you made this movie now

Starting point is 01:14:32 It would be neutered it would be just silly jokes silly jokes It wouldn't allow for kids to have the complexity of thought to be like I'm understanding now other stuff about the world And not to go back to big mouth, but that is what I do like about Big Mouth. Is that Big Mouth does blend to this? To understand or look at the fact that kids in different ways, shapes, and forms, look at all of this stuff and are curious about and are trying to figure it out.

Starting point is 01:14:58 OK, if you don't see Fred, again, we're saying the same things over and over. We're screaming screaming the rain. But if you don't see Fred as Phoebe Kates and a projection of her own self, then of course he seems predatory. But if you see him, if you look a little bit closer, guys, expand your mind. And we do the world. June, I've just had a realization.

Starting point is 01:15:24 We're never going we're never gonna convince Marcia Mason that Fred is real. This audience is Marcia Mason's. Wow. That's it. I think you're right. You're all the mom. On that, I will say this.

Starting point is 01:15:37 Happy to be. I finally lost them. Crazy. This happened tonight. This was crazy. There is a divide. There is a divide. But now there is going to be one voice heard and that is a voice of a second opinion. Now it's time for second opinions.

Starting point is 01:15:54 This film is one of a kind. Though Fred was more than I could handle, but this brought me joy and happiness. So for all this, I give it five stars. Second up in your home Second up in your design Love this damn move behind All my second, I'll be your... Sinon! Good job, Ray Ali! It's my brother, it's my brother, it's my brother. My brother.

Starting point is 01:16:59 All right, these are five star reviews from Amazon. I'm going to say that the tenor of our discussion is reflected in these reviews. This is going to be the first time I'll have agreed with a lot of these opinions. This is a review that stood out because that is a very capable explanation of Phoebe Kate Syke. This is Nate Kylie, of course, found all these reviews. And this is Carl J. Schroeder, and he wrote,

Starting point is 01:17:30 the imaginary friend is cavortingly rude for a reason. He served to push the girl child to do mischief for attention and as a cry for help. Now, grown up, the woman has forgotten and is about to lose her soul. So events call for some sort of literal return of her demon to force the exposure for pain. The psychic crisis is poignantly realistic.

Starting point is 01:17:51 The creature who is visible only to the woman is like a poltergeist energy of her repressed self, a problematic ego container to which her powers of assertion and creativity were poured and stored. The movie's resolution is startingly beautiful. Five stars! Agreed, Team Fred. This is written by Evan M. Title is, I love it.

Starting point is 01:18:19 Used to watch this movie when I was a kid, I freaking loved it. I saw it on Amazon and had to have it. It's nice being able to get some of the jokes I didn't catch when I was a kid, I freaking loved it. I saw it on Amazon and had to have it. It's nice being able to get some of the jokes I didn't catch when I was little. I showed it to my little cousin, she's six. She thought I was hilarious. There are some adult jokes that some will consider inappropriate for children, but kids have no idea

Starting point is 01:18:40 what they're talking about and just ignore it. It's really for the adults. Plus if a kid did understand the jokes, I'm sure they probably know way worse. Great movie, good for everyone, five stars. Again, it's not lost on me that a green with second opinions is troubling. Like, I recognize that I find myself in a position where I'm like, yeah, I would show

Starting point is 01:19:07 this to a six-year-old. I would show this to my nieces. Like, I do bits with my nieces that Fred does like getting... So we had a conversation today because we have a five-year-old. And Paul had watched most of the movie before I started it. I've already seen it a number of times. And I said, oh, well, Gus can watch it with me, right? And Paul had a pretty terrible reaction to that.

Starting point is 01:19:29 He's like, no, he's not going to watch this movie where he goes, that piece of shit. Would you let your five-year-old watch Beetlejuice? No. Oh, okay. Not yet. Five is young. Five is young. Five is young. All right, this is from Austin. Would you let your five-year-old boy go for car? For unspooled hey if it's for unspooled definitely

Starting point is 01:19:55 This one right here maybe like what is Amy think of it dad? All right This is one, this is a letter by Autistic Werewolf. Drop Dead Fred is a movie about growing up as an empowered person, in this case an empowered woman. The core premise of this movie is that you must take full, responsible, constant ownership of yourself and your life or else suffer the humorous and or disastrous consequences. Now the next part all in caps. Enjoy life as a child would. Let go at times. Be real. Stop creating artificial worlds that are cages

Starting point is 01:20:43 in which you deposit yourself until death. Step out into the world, embrace fun and change by the simple act of never living to please others. Help others love others, but live for yourself and take some time in life to just please yourself because sometimes life is a blast. Five stars. Don't you want, don't you want to live in that movie? You guys are saying, I mean that's great. That's what I want. Yes, Mitchell Friedman writes,

Starting point is 01:21:22 the scene in the psychiatrist's office with the other imaginary friends is profound in showing us how fragile our children are and why we adults should be more understanding of their need for magic and love. Sentimental? Yes. The irony of our modern time is that it's okay

Starting point is 01:21:40 to show mean spiritedness and violence in films. Think of that pucks, quentin Tarantino. You know? You know? You know? Careful, counselor. Or humor that's based on a point of view of up yours loser, Seinfeld.

Starting point is 01:22:01 But to have humor based on sympathy or feelings of powerlessness and our generalized fears in the world, heaven forbid, five stars. I mean, I don't like the shots at Tarantino or a sign felt, but like again, I don't disagree with the message. And then is chilling. And then it's not lost. I mean, this is very strange to agree so much with the second opinions.

Starting point is 01:22:26 And then we end on quite simply one of my favorite five star reviews I've read. It's a real journey. Jay Red all drites this. Title is, you have to be careful what you tell them. When my stepkids were 11 and 9, they loved this movie. Stepkids? Yes.

Starting point is 01:22:49 And I did too. During one viewing, they asked me why someone would have an imaginary friend. Both said they never had one, and I told them that based on what we're seeing in drop-did Fred, children invent imaginary friends because they are having hard times with childhood, they might have sad family problems or mean parents. Inventing an imaginary friend is apparently one way to cope with such conditions. Well, the kids took this information to school with them and spread it all around. Seems like a few of the kids in their social orbits or had or in the past had imaginary

Starting point is 01:23:22 friends, so all of a sudden is rumored in the school that these kids come from abusive or problematic homes with bad or mean mothers. You guys are doing this to kids. Children, I'm not the moron who's walking up to kids and being like here's it here's everything. Children were upset teachers were worried parents were outraged, and so forth. And it all raged culture, and it all got blamed on me. Drop dead Fred is a terrific movie, but if your kids ask you any questions about imaginary friends, just tell them you don't know. I mean...

Starting point is 01:24:07 Listen, I don't know what's gone on here tonight. This is a roller coaster. I am exhausted and I've lost my voice again, I'm saying. I really feel so destabilized by this evening. I'm dehydrated. But I just want to point out that I don't think I think developing an imaginary friend in a child psyche is the healthiest thing that child could do. I had one. You what? Go on. You bring this up

Starting point is 01:24:37 now. Go on. What was this character's name? If person had one or thing I won't get into it. Oh Then let's not let's leave it there honestly that is by the way that you had an imaginary friend and our Sanity is it shows how fucking crazy you guys are When I became an adult I I put away my child. Yeah, Polymer adult. Maya Angelou, I think. The thing that's so sad about some of the opinions I've heard tonight is this distinction you feel you have to make between your adult self and your childhood self as though they're

Starting point is 01:25:21 not one and the same. As if we are all not the same, we contain multitudes. But I don't know how to get out of this tonight. I just want to give you two facts about this move before we really sum up because these are really great facts. This movie is the gift that keeps on giving. So this is an IMD B-Fact, and Nate re-wrote it here. It goes, the scene in where Polly tapes up the jack in the box

Starting point is 01:25:50 containing Fred was based off an actual incident that happened to a friend of the co-writer executive producer. Apparently, her mother, Gloria, had an imaginary friend, which was a little girl, but the mother couldn't stand the fact that her daughter had an imaginary friend. It got to the point where Gloria's mother took the imaginary friend when she was a little girl, but the mothers couldn't stand the factor to daughter having a imaginary friend. It got to the point where Gloria's mother took the imaginary friend and flushed it down the toilet. And this instrument traumatized the young girl for years.

Starting point is 01:26:14 Yes, it did. That fact is true. That's what happened. That's, that, that, that supports teen Fred, I feel like. And then this is just a little history of the movie. So the two writers of the film brought it to Disney. They wanted Goldie Hahn to be in it. And Disney said, no, they didn't want Rick Mayall in it.

Starting point is 01:26:33 So then they started working with this Dutch filmmaker. Can I interrupt for one second? They wanted Goldie Hahn as Fred? No, I think, as Phoebe Cates. OK, OK, OK. I didn't know it because you said they wanted Rick Mail. And I was like, they didn't want Rick Mail. So I think it was going to be like, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:26:49 So then instincts should have been followed. So then they brought it over to a different place. They're, it fell apart. Then basically they made the film. It gets really ripped apart. Rough cut, like basically every film studio turns down the movie after seeing the rough cut. The Geffen film company was like it's Beatles juice, it's a rip off of Beatles juice. Harvey Weinstein's like I liked it, but it does not buy it. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:27:19 Then it took it probably for the wrong reasons. Probably for the wrong reasons. Then Robert J saw the movie, he's at New Line, and he calls the movie Horst Shit. Although his partner Sarah liked the movie, she's like, oh, Fred's like the comedic Freddie Krueger. And we do the Freddie Krueger movies. And since Freddie's ending, this would be a great continuation of a Freddie Krueger franchise.

Starting point is 01:27:47 That makes sense. So they bought it and they're like, how do we market it? And they didn't know. That's why this movie cost 6.7, opening weekend made 3 million, and finally came in at 13 million. At the end it came in 81st place and all the movies that came out in 1991, the top three movies in 1991, Terminator. It made its money back and then some. Sure.

Starting point is 01:28:12 And it made an enormous impact on an entire generation of people. The movies in 1991, Terminator 2, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, and Beauty and the Beast. Beap by Teenage Mutants in Charles II, Hudson Hawk, Highlander 2, a beat, a movie we did on the show Body Parts, a beat nothing but trouble, a beat man it can do on the move, and cool as ice. So this movie is doing a little bit better, and one of the original taglines, this is the best one, let him out! And the other one is this, dishes, relationships,

Starting point is 01:28:48 wind, this guy breaks everything. It's terrible. I mean, I have some notes on the movie, I guess. I'm not, I'm not, I don't agree with every move, but... Uh, final thoughts on the film? I feel like we all learned a lot tonight about ourselves and we we I don't think we got we circled the drain a lot we got some places that we filled back I'm exhausted I have respect for everyone on this stage. I do

Starting point is 01:29:18 sure I want to say that right now. I have respect for everyone out here. Would you recommend people watch the movie? No I I would not. OK. Jim, or should we end on June? Because I feel like you're the most passionate. No, I, I, listen, I don't know where we go from here. So I'm trying to find a way out. I want everybody to get free of freedom. You know?

Starting point is 01:29:49 But we can only be on the journeys we're on. You know, I think this movie provides a really nice on ramp for a lot of y'all. But we are where we are. And I think I met a lot of you tonight where you are. And I just go for this. And, you know know prayers are up. I'm not even going to ask if you're going to recommend this movie because clearly I've said what I've said. Tall, I recommend this movie.

Starting point is 01:30:20 I recommend this movie wholeheartedly. I think everybody should watch it. I think everybody should watch it with an open mind if you haven't watched it. Watch it, not just from the point of view of a movie viewer in this time right now as if this movie had just come out. Look at it from when it came from who it's intended for and what's going on. I think it's really, I really enjoy it.

Starting point is 01:30:38 Again, I thought this was going to be straight up trash. I thought it was going to be nonsense. A lot of you think it is. This is not helping. This is not helping. This is not helping. It's really not. I didn't like this.

Starting point is 01:30:51 I'm not saying the movie. That's the biggest comedic bit in the movie. I'm not saying the movie is flawless. I'm not saying the movie. Are you saying it's funny? There's some funny stuff in it, sure. I thought it was funny. I think that it's funny stuff in it.

Starting point is 01:31:04 Absolutely. This was not funny. This is. This I think that's funny stuff in it. Absolutely. This was not funny. This is a little bit funny. What is referring to the refer to the flat? This is like the garbage pale kids level gross. This is what there is a funny moment even in this, where he brushes his brow, the leaf that he survived, and then goes back to realize how

Starting point is 01:31:23 this place is still flat. Yeah. It's not unfunny, he delivers it. You know what I'll say? I enjoyed this movie. I think partially because there's still a kid alive in me. And I think that a lot of you out there, I'm sad to say that your inner kid is RIP Dunza. Jason, you guys are chasing.

Starting point is 01:31:41 And I feel for you. You're fashioning it like last thing. You know, like we've all lost our inner child or whatever. I think there's a lot of Fred still with you guys and it's actually concerning me. Here's the thing, let him go. You guys should be with the fun. You guys should be with the mom and mathisin.

Starting point is 01:32:00 The bill is all the mathisin. And the judge. That's what it is. And the judge. So that's where you guys are judge. That's what it is. And the judge. So that's where you guys are. You're saying you guys live in that world and I live in Fred world. Guess what? I'm living that Fred life, guys.

Starting point is 01:32:15 Annabella. Annabella. Annabella. Let me tell you this. I recommend this movie not because of the reasons that you just heard from my two co-hosts. I recommend it because this is in line with the Babadook. Okay this is a modern day horror. This is not a coming of age. This is a what the fuck just happened. Tony

Starting point is 01:32:38 Klet amazing in the Babadook. Marsha Mason, better. Okay, this movie should be seen. This is an Ari Aster movie, 30 years before. You mean hereditary. You mean hereditary. No, I mean Boba Duke, but I'm also saying, I'm also jumping over, because Boba Duke is like a guy who pops up. Hereditary, there's nobody getting their head knocked off.

Starting point is 01:33:01 Anyway, so spoiler alert. This was, we thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted.

Starting point is 01:33:13 This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted.

Starting point is 01:33:21 This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. This was the first thing you wanted. I've got on here tonight. I agree because I want people to feel sound in their choices at their team sanity. And that's what I'm going to do. Here's what I'm going to say. I think that this, and I've, again, I apologize for coming in so hot for so long, but I've, and I love each and every one of you.

Starting point is 01:33:35 I love them both. I love them. I love them both. And for the first time, I think in the entirety of this podcast, I will try and divide the audience by saying when this episode comes up, please, I guess, tweet at us, Team Fred. Just by the shirts, Team Fred or Team Sanity, and we will see you on the street, and we will look at you.

Starting point is 01:33:55 And he's the thing, I can already tell that Team Sanity is going to outsell, perhaps, you know what? Probably not, because Team Sanity won't buy t-shirts. Because they're too busy putting on their suits and packing their briefcases. We will run a poll on our Twitter when this episode comes out. Casey, anything you want to talk about? No, just um, bitch-thesh. And I'm in a movie called Always Be My Me, Be In Black Monday. Thanks for having me, baby. June Diane Rayfield.

Starting point is 01:34:30 So, uh, season 5 of Grayson Fergis out on Netflix right now, and you can also, at your independent bookstores, ask them to pre-order a book that I co-wrote with K-Black called Represent, the Women's Guide for Running for Office and Changing the World, which will officially be out on September 3rd. Cheers. And how much of the book is devoted to Fred? Oh, 98%. Jason. Well, as has been discussed tonight, season three of Bigmouth

Starting point is 01:35:02 comes out in September this year. Not sure when this episode will come out, so check that out. Other seasons are on Netflix. And that's about it. I will say I have been writing comic book from Marvel called Cosmic Hostroader Disturies Marvel History. That is out in the comic book stores and stands, whatever you call that. And watch Black Monday.

Starting point is 01:35:23 And you know, make sure you follow us on all the social channels. A lot of people complain that they don't know when we're doing live shows, and we announce it all. So follow me, follow June Jason's on on Twitter, KC, as a thing. June creates a lot of great content. I love creating content. We're having so much fun in our house.

Starting point is 01:35:41 We're doing a lot of creating content. I'm happy. If I'm not creating content, I'm not house. I love creating content. I'm having a content. I'm like not alive. I also want to just give a shout out to the person who I saw yesterday who just drove by me and yelled, nice minivan. It is a nice minivan. And I wasn't insulted by that. And I want here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here.

Starting point is 01:36:12 I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. to yell Geostorm in videos, especially if that child is in a storm. So please make more weird videos of you and your kids yelling Geostorm.

Starting point is 01:36:29 We are on tour right now, so if anyone wants to edit together a compilation of those Geostorms, I'll take it. Art people, before we go, I want to just say a big thanks to Averyl Halle who cut all these amazing clips. Nick Kylue did all this amazing research. Cody Fisher, one of our producers. Devon up there in the engineer booth. Everybody, a just fantastic job all around. The staff here at the Wilshire eBelt Theatre. What a great crowd you all.

Starting point is 01:36:59 You guys, you guys were amazing. You got this one so well. Honestly, I would like to issue an apology about what I said about, you know, when I said people who can't be alone with their own thoughts, listen to podcasts. Or when you said, I don't give a fuck what they think. I know. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Starting point is 01:37:16 This has been, we've been here a long time. Yeah, ten for God's sake. We've been screaming at you for all of it. Our sincerest apologies, but also, fuck you guys. Fuck you. Thank you, everybody. Good night. You are a fantastic crowd.

Starting point is 01:37:31 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. That was our show from the eBell theater. A big thank you to Casey Wilson, who is really on the right side of history

Starting point is 01:37:47 here with me. We are both team sanity. You can actually purchase those shirts right now at teapubble.com, slash stores, slash HD TGM, or if you're with Jason and June, you can get your team-fred shirt. But head on over there. They're great looking shirts and you can wear it and people will question, what do you mean if you just have assured this is team sanity or team Fred I love it so much. A big thank you to Averyl Halley our producer who picked all of our movies for this tour

Starting point is 01:38:13 and picks all the movies for this entire show. So a big hat off to her Nick Kiley who's always getting into that research doing it up and why did the show sound so good while it's our Engineer Devon who just made it. It didn't sound like we're in the studio. So damn good. Also our producer Cody who keeps everything running nice and smooth. A big thank you do Flanagan who runs Largo who produced our show at the eBell that staff was amazing. The eBell theater was a beautiful place for us to perform. We'll be doing these every now and then when we want to make sure that you can come out and see us so we do it in a bigger venue. But thank you to everybody at Airwolf and we will see you next week for a mini episode

Starting point is 01:38:52 where you can weigh in on whether or not you think Fred is in the right or in the wrong or talking to me about your life, your love, whatever you want to talk to me about. I'm here to listen. Give me a call at 619. Paul asks, the 619, Paul asks, we'll jump in on the mini episode, we'll break it all down, all for you next week, as we talk about, drop dead Fred. And we may even have a little surprise

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