How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

LIVE from UC Berkeley, Paul, June, and Jason break down the 1986 slasher film Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives. They discuss Jason Voorhees’ origin story, sex scene condom sounds, wearing suspen...ders under t-shirts, and more. (Originally Released 10/24/2019) HDTGM is going on tour this Oct & Nov! Go to for tix and info.For more Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: Follow Paul on Letterboxd: Discord:’s Discord: out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch ( every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Listen up, Fart Heads. Put your ball earrings on and take a trip down reanimation lane. We saw Friday the 13th, everybody! What's up, sir? Hey, everybody! What's up, sir? Hey, everybody! What's up, sir? Hey, everybody! What's up, sir?
Starting point is 00:00:38 Hey, everybody! What's up, sir? Hey, everybody! What's up, sir? Hey everybody, now it's time to go. Hello people of Earth! Hello people of Berkeley! We are live here in Berkeley, California on Friday the 13th. For a very special episode of the show, we have gone into the future and we have
Starting point is 00:01:16 seen what Jason becomes when we watch Jason 10, Jason in space. And now we go back to a simpler time. The year 1986, where Jason is just a reanimated corpse. If you've never seen a Friday of 13th movie, have no fear. It doesn't make a fucking lick of difference. This is not the podcast where we're gonna break down all the horror tropes. I think most of us have only seen about two Jason films. The one we did and the one we're doing. So we will be fuzzy on the facts. All I know for sure is that the lead actor is a different actor than the one who played
Starting point is 00:02:10 him in number five, and that actor is a different actor than the one who played him in number four. So in the course of the two years that this movie from 84 to 86, three different actors played the lead character of the Jason movie, the same character. It's like the James Bond turnover, but like way quicker. So to talk about this movie tonight, I have an amazing co-host. Please welcome Mr. Jason Manzookas.
Starting point is 00:02:37 What's up, jerks? How are we doing, Bruce? What's up, jerks? How are we doing, Berkeley? That's right, that's what I'm talking about. What's up, Jason? How are we doing, everybody? This movie is about me. I live!
Starting point is 00:03:07 Jason lives... Jason, how many Jason movies or how many Friday to 13th movies have you seen? I'm gonna ask you a real question, because I was just thinking about this as we were watching in the trailer. Yeah. Have we ever done a Friday the 13th on this podcast? Yes.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Jason. Jason, the one... on this podcast? Yes. Jason. Jason, 10, the one. Yes, okay, yes. What is Jason? I run it right now. That's the only other one I've seen. Yes, okay. These are the only two Friday the...
Starting point is 00:03:33 I realize I'm much more well versed in the Halloween franchise. He's Michael Myers franchise. Yes. Then in the Jason Voorhees franchise. I'm the same way but with Phantasm. Oh, really? The floating ball? I like that with Hellraiser.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Oh, I could talk about pin head for hours. My mom was really into Phantasm. What? Yeah. What? How? How? How did your mom find Phantasm?
Starting point is 00:04:04 I don't know, but it scared me. She's like, you want to watch phantasm with me? I was like, no. That, Paul, that's an opportunity to like cuddle up and smooch. Ha, ha, ha. That's like, that's like what you do when you want to like, you know, pull the mover you yon
Starting point is 00:04:21 and put your arm around someone is like, you rent a scary movie. You want to watch a scary movie? That always leads to fingering and hand jobs. Speaking of which, Berkeley, who wants to see a scary movie, this audience is not wearing pants. Ah-ha-ha. Jason, I will not finger my mom to phantasm.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Ladies and gentlemen, I say that because of my next co-host right here. She is someone that I am married to. Please welcome June Diane Reveal. Welcome. Welcome, June. Welcome. Hi, Paul. How are you? I'm good. Thank you for asking.
Starting point is 00:05:16 How are you? I'm doing well. June, how many Friday to the 13th films have you seen? I think I've seen one. I don't think I've seen the one that you're referring to the 10th one. Yes, was that space? It was space.
Starting point is 00:05:34 You were not here. Rob, you were with us? Yes. OK, so I wasn't present. You were not present there. Or are you counting this film as one of the Friday? No, I think I've seen one other. I think I saw the main one.
Starting point is 00:05:45 The first one. The first one. Well, here's the fact. I was under the belief that these movies started in the 1950s. I heard you say that, that's wrong. And I can say that with confidence, not remembering a single thing about that movie. All right, well, there's a gentleman out in the audience that wanted to crack me. Who had the crack? I'm going to just caution you.
Starting point is 00:06:04 I think what you're confused about is I think There's a gentleman out in the audience that wanted to crack me. Who had the crack? Oh, I'm going to have just caution you. I think what you're confused about is I think Jason died in 1957. Got it. OK. In a body of water. Yes. And then in the first movie that is set in the early 80s, he is awakened in Camp Crystal Lake, which is where he... That's not the first movie. is set in the early 80s, he is awakened in Camp Crystal Lake.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Which is where he, now. That's not the first movie. Oh, okay. I have the whole. This is already a debacle. I already have, I think we might have done this the only two I've seen are six and ten. I have definitely seen the first one.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Almost certainly not. What do you think happened? What's the big twist? Cause I do know the big twist it's a camp based movie, right? Yes, so it's like meatballs with a serial killer. Yes, the first one is a camp based movie. Yes. It's like super a camp with no dick With no dick. Yeah, okay. Oh, oh sleep away. I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I thought you were just referring to the concept of Oh, oh, sleep away. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. I thought you were just referring to the concept of sleep. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Forgetting, of course, you know our minds get wiped at the end of every shot. That's the only reason we can keep doing this is we've got one of those men in black machines that's just like, nope. All right, so yeah. I don't remember quite, but something happened with his mom. You're, oh wow, you're really good at it.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Wasn't there a episode where an episode, wasn't there one of the movies where his mom was the killer? That is the first movie. That is the first movie. Isn't that the twist? Yeah, it is the twist. That is the twist. Guys, we're only in it for the twist.
Starting point is 00:07:43 So I'll just walk you through the 4, 5, and 6 because they're kind of work as a trilogy. Because, thank you, Paul, because otherwise I don't know what's going on. Basically, you know, Jason, the first one is the mom. Jason is not a zombie really until this movie. This is the first one, which is kind of a crazy moment because he is brought back from the dead like Frankenstein but here's what happens in the final chapter
Starting point is 00:08:10 Jason is brought to a morgue he kills everybody there wait I'm sorry to go back when you say he's not a zombie so how so the young boy dies in the and then his mom goes around killing people but she's not wearing the mask here's my question on that because her son dies due to negligence at camp How does he become a full grown man? This is where I am only gonna be guessing. I don't know Because my assumption would be this movie should star like a 13 year old boy who is a who's on a revenge murder Like a 13 year old boy who is a who's on a revenge murder
Starting point is 00:08:45 senseless killing spree, right? How does he age? How does Jason die at camp? We don't know. Come a murderous six foot four machine According to my notes that were compiled by Nick Kylates as in part two Jason is revealed to be alive and a fully grown man And returns the camp crystal lake. Oh, so he didn't die. His mother was wrong. All right, well, let's go to this one guy who I feel as all the answers. This is I'm going to say right now. This is a mistake. All right. Why is Jason a full grown man? They never explain it. Never explain it. And wow. I'm just amazed that he knew...
Starting point is 00:09:28 He knew that question was coming to him, and they got up with such confidence. And then I'll ask you this. So from too forward, it is Jason. No, in five, it is an imposter. Okay. And then in five, and then in six are we reviving Jason or the imposter? Jason.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Okay, got it. This is the guy question. Can I ask the guy question? Are all the movies canon? Are they all telling the same progressive story or are there outliers like Halloween season of the win? I was I was being honest they do dovetail like they take place moments after the movie right? They do in five there's a bit that they sort of retcon in six Where the main character
Starting point is 00:10:18 Murder somebody at the very end like Tommy was supposed to be the our lead character was supposed to be the new Jason In this film, but it tested so badly They're like, ah, no Tommy will still remain the hero I think Tommy was played by Corey Feldman in four right and then in five he was played by somebody else and then in six He's played by this guy, right, okay, it was supposed to be Corey Feldman in five as well But he was doing the goonies, so they had to rewrite it. Got it. So there was going to be a little kid.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Here's my question. Because Cory Feldman is small. Hold on, Paul. Go back. Wow. OK, cool, Paul. Shots fired at Cory Feldman. At the time of goonies, he is a child.
Starting point is 00:10:58 I'm just saying. Super cool. He is not as intimidating as someone as Jesus. I want to understand, though, okay, two questions. My first question is, we keep on saying he's like 13 or 12 years old, like he should know how to swim. So how old was this kid that he couldn't swim at the age of, I mean, how long was it at the time of death?
Starting point is 00:11:19 Now hang on a second. As like a asmatic child who had trouble swimming, you know, like, you know, here's what I'll say. When I went to Boy Scout Camp, like swimming was a real, like a no-go for me. Okay, now I'm gonna speak as a former counselor, and here's what I'm gonna say. I cannot be expected to keep 12-year-olds out of the water.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Well, you're dead, you're dead. It's not about the water. It's while I'm in the water. Well, you're dead, you didn't come after you. Well, you're dead, you didn't come after you. Well, you're dead, you didn't come after you. That is not about the water. It's while I'm in the water, are you watching me, or are you getting your shit serviced by Cody, or whatever his name was? Listen.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Ah. Listen. Yeah, listen. Listen. I wouldn't expect unless I knew you had a special bracelet on. Like, I'm not water safe bracelet. I would assume that a 12 or 13 year old was water safe. Let me be clear. I was a kid who went to Boyzgo Camp wearing a special bracelet.
Starting point is 00:12:25 That is not a lie. It said, severely allergic to eggs, comma. My bracelet had a comma. Cama, asthma. Well then, let me just clarify one thing. Still alive, San Francisco's still alive. They tried to take me out. They tried to take me out. Me my this guy's still hanging out. Okay, was he 12 or 13 when he died or was he a
Starting point is 00:13:00 child? Well he didn't die. He came back in two. So was he just hiding for all those years? Why did his mother think he was technically? Well, I don't think they were planning on making the second movie. They needed a reason to bring him back. In the world of the first movie, how old do you think he was supposed to be? So in the 50s, he was 13 or so. He didn't want to waste his. That's too old.
Starting point is 00:13:23 He wasn't wearing a bracelet, but he was clearly a special child. Okay and was he allergic to eggs? They definitely made that Can you not be allergic to eggs? Would make me want to murder but I didn't. Wallars movie was based on my question. One more question. I am the Jason who inspired this Jason. One more question. We're still laying the groundwork for this episode. We have started. We have not started.
Starting point is 00:13:53 We have not started this. We have not started this. Guess what? No second show we can go as late as we want. Here's another question. So, OK. So in the beginning of this movie, Here's another question. So, okay. So, in the beginning of this movie, we're at a grave site, and there's a headstone.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Well, this is what I want to get into. Okay, so is this the grave of Jason? Of Jason. Well, I know it's the grave of Jason, but is this the grave he was buried at as a child, even though I understand he never died at 13, or did someone in the other movies bury the man-sized Jason? And if they did, who made that headstone for him? I can answer this.
Starting point is 00:14:38 I can answer this. I can answer this. So, do we need a chair for this guy on stage? Yeah. We may have to bring him up. From what I understand, it was reference that Jason, the killer Jason, the boy who was lived, kind of like Harry Potter, but different. He was cremated.
Starting point is 00:15:00 But then for this movie, they kind of forego that, and his body is buried, which leads me to believe who paid for that funeral We don't know and this is a funeral of a straight-up serial killer and they seem to have buried him in the outfit that he was killing people in So he was not in any sort of penitentiary garb and the person who buried him says, well, just keep them in the jumpsuit. Like I'm not going to pay to put a suit on them. By the way, that would have been so much better if he was in like a sears suit walking around. I would have liked that. So why does lightning striking... Well, this is the main command.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Not just bring him back to life, but like bring him back to corporeal form. He is like, he has been eaten away by the maggots and everything in the earth. And the lightning hits, which I get, like could bring him back to life in a zombie way. I like that, but it replenishes his body back to full strength and health. He goes from literally having maggots living in his face. He is a hollowed out husk of a monster.
Starting point is 00:16:13 And then he is just back up being able to put the mask back on. He should really be fully decomposed at this point. He is the beginning. In the beginning, when Horsak opens the fucking coffin. Yeah. By the way, they open, Horsak opens the fucking coffin. Yeah. By the way, which is a better thing. Okay, I'm here. Horsak in the beginning of this
Starting point is 00:16:31 or Drew Baramore at the beginning of the screen. No, I mean, it's young Tony Goldwyn in this movie. I mean, I'm here, I am here for young Tony Goldwyn in this movie. How did this get me? How did this get me? Here's what I'm going to say. This movie starts off very weirdly because you're thrown in with aptly no punishes weirdly
Starting point is 00:16:53 and the middle is pretty weird. Yeah. All of the above. You are thrown in and you don't know what's going on. The actors have changed. They don't lay down any sort of exposition. All you know is they're going to go kill Jason, and it seems that that plan even changes
Starting point is 00:17:11 multiple times, because it seems like Horshack is in on the plan, and he's like, wait, you want to dig him up? Well Horshack is carrying two shovels on his back when he goes, all right, have you seen enough? Should we go? What do you mean? You're carrying shovels.
Starting point is 00:17:31 What did you think was gonna happen when you got here? They are not paying attention to each other and then communication is all wrong. I mean, they escape the mental institution. So maybe it makes sense. And then, if you think Horseshaq was in the mental institution with it, they're they escape the mental institution so maybe it makes sense and then Wait, you think horseback was in the mental institution with it's worry. Oh, I missed that connection. Oh His way of trying to kill Jason was
Starting point is 00:17:55 Bizarre it was like I need to see his body and I need to send him to hell because only if you burn a body Can you be sent to hell? I guess that was the plan. I think that was the plan. We made... I thought he just needed to see it. Okay, I'll buy that. They also bring gasoline. And so they're gonna open up that casket.
Starting point is 00:18:17 He sees it, he's like, that's not enough. Now he need to burn it. Unfortunately, it's during a thunderstorm. And he doesn't bring a knife, because you stake a Jason, like a vampire, and he's already dead. He's already dead, it doesn't matter. Here's what I'll say.
Starting point is 00:18:32 At the end of this five, we see that Tommy is set up to be the Jason of the next movie. Right. And in this movie, Tommy essentially is the Jason. He is responsible for every death in this movie, Tommy essentially is the Jason. He is responsible for every death in this movie because he brings Jason back to life. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Everything was fine. Tommy should die. He is the villain. I also think that Sheriff Mike Garris is a little bit to blame. He is not really taking in any information. He's made his determination. He's like, you're Jason. Wait, the man, this guy is not bloody.
Starting point is 00:19:14 He doesn't look disheveled. It's like you killed 17 people. I know you have no blood on you and you don't look. And I've seen you 17 times tonight. But I'm pretty positive. His and his daughter Megan's relationship was fascinating. It was sexualized in a way that only horror movies of this era had.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Like when she picks up the phone in the police station and says, oh, he's in the other room draining his lizard. That's more father. There's also, I mean, this is also a time where like teenagers look like they're 45 years old. It's so confusing because she looked like I was just like, oh, that's Laura Lennie. Not that there's anything wrong with 45 year olds and that they can look very young and very youthful even Okay Jason even 46 year olds But there is for sure you're absolutely true Freshness and innocence
Starting point is 00:20:16 Plenty of life to live in to give yes times not ticking Time is ticking. I have been told a lot I was just so disturbing because she looks his age. There's not. They seem to be contemporaries. They seem to be contemporaries, which was really throwing me. They had more romantic chemistry, Megan and her father,
Starting point is 00:20:36 than Megan and Tommy, period. 11%. When they kissed each other through Megan and Tommy, through that, this, jiggle bars. I didn't care for that. It was unsettling. I didn't, I didn't.
Starting point is 00:20:52 I didn't, I didn't. It was not sexual. It was not satisfying. It seemed to me to be a kiss. I felt like, are they trying to pass a key between their mouths? That's what I thought too. That's how not sexual it was.
Starting point is 00:21:04 It seemed transactional. For sure. And Tommy's eyes open like, oh boy. That because at first I thought it was transactional. Some things being passed. And then I thought, okay, an object's not being passed. But there's some sort of like Jason Esk energy that's going back and forth between them. Again, not sexual energy, but some sort of like weird, creepy supernatural energy.
Starting point is 00:21:31 I just was wondering what she wrote down on that pad because it was a very elaborate plan to just flash them like boom, you're like, got it. And that was, and okay, so we all couldn't see that, right? No, yeah. No. That one, that I rewound it twice. I was like, is this a bad cut? Am I watching the wrong version?
Starting point is 00:21:52 Should I be able to see what she's written on the page? I'm worried about the aspect ratio or whatever. I thought the same for you, Colin. I thought that I had enlarged it by accident and was losing part of the screen. She must have written a small paragraph there. Boom, get it, got it. Alright, because the plan was, let's get into a fight. I'll throw my thing, you'll pull me close, we'll kiss, then the couple come and break
Starting point is 00:22:18 it up and then I'll take his gun and then you take, like that's a very complex plan. That's like an ocean's eleven heist that she quickly doled out to him but also I gotta say I love the daughter. I thought she had the most- Megan? Yes. She had a great lifter. I was like more- I will see this. I loved a lot of the counselor that generation. I loved um um um um uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh sweatpants. This is next level. This is outfit we need to talk about. Oh my god. What is this? What is? Okay. Her friend is wearing an entire thrift shop worth of clothes. Will you you also talked about not understanding what our team is wearing suspenders under a crop top t-shirt. Why? Everybody is wearing suspenders in this movie. You talked about the teenagers not being representative of their age. Do you remember that section in the movie
Starting point is 00:23:31 where they just randomly cut to a couple making out in the cemetery? And he's like, I don't want half sex tonight. I have a headache. He's like being coy. Yeah, what was that? She's wearing a Laura Ashley dress and like a tank top underneath like a
Starting point is 00:23:45 Sun dress and like what's happening? We could talk about this for a while. We've already talked about tank this tank to this this this this T-shirt under Sun dress thing needs to shut down. Yeah, it's coming back Jason It's not it's not come back just because we're all watching friends on Netflix doesn't mean we should be putting full white t-shirts under a spaghetti strapped sundress. I don't disagree, but it is happening. Um, so I thought that couple. This is what I think is just successful about the movie.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Okay. There are a lot of scenes from these characters on the fringe who get killed. That were really fun and kind of funny and interesting. And the whole paintball set up, the dynamic between those two guys, where one of them says, every time we come out here,
Starting point is 00:24:36 you act like a different person. I was like, oh wow, this is such a specific, strange relationship. We've been dropped into where this guy puts on this persona Now this is such a specific, strange relationship. We've been dropped into where this guy puts on this persona to play paintball with his fellow co-workers and I'm so interested. And I know they're going to die within minutes, but in this terrible movie and franchise, there was this weird caretaken, which again I thought was great for some of these other characters.
Starting point is 00:25:08 I really liked, because I wrote the same thing down, that there were, that it is, and I didn't know if, because Jason Space was not like this, were the other movies kind of vignette based like this? Like you would be dropped into people's world, follow them until their death, and then move on. Well, I am enjoying this. You know, I like that.
Starting point is 00:25:28 In the horror world, this movie has a lot of connections to scream, as a matter of fact, because the director of this was actually offered to direct scream first, because him and Kevin Williamson got along, and he's like, oh, you did some funny stuff, because there is some funny stuff here. The movie opens up with a James Bond parody. Jason is now reanimated from the dead.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And then he walks across the screen like James Bond here. I'll show it to you and slice it. No, there is a bunch of visual jokes that are... Yeah. ...that are juxtapositions of images that are themselves very funny, even though there's one that I wrote down where somebody says, like, what do you think I'm an idiot or something? And then it cuts to all the kid campers going, yes!
Starting point is 00:26:14 Yeah, you know? And there's a bunch of like, oh, does he think I'm a fart head? And it's all the campers go, yes! In the next edit. And I was like, this is smart. Like, they're doing funny stuff in this. And I was like, this is smart. They're doing funny stuff in this. And then they don't fully commit to it
Starting point is 00:26:29 because then sometimes it just goes back to straight up Jason movie. I think that that's the hard part of it is that you constantly are like, oh, is it, we're making fun of it? But then they treat it very seriously. It was a hard tone to get. Well, it's hard.
Starting point is 00:26:43 I mean, Jason, I'm scared very easily. You were very scared. We watched most of this movie in a car. Yes, and I know that the driver of that vehicle was concerned. Yeah, because you go, oh, god, what? No. Oh.
Starting point is 00:27:01 No, all of us. I think we should release bonus episodes that are just audio tracks of you listening to a movie because I'm assuming you're wearing headphones. Yes, I had. I would like there to be an audio track available on our feed that is just syncs up with you watching the movie so that I could be watching the movie and then listening to your commentary track where you're just also piping, oh god.
Starting point is 00:27:25 I mean, there were some, I mean, I'm a human. I get startled. You are. That's good to know. I get startled and it's, I'm easily startled. I don't know what happened to me. You watched them, they were called. You watched them, they were called.
Starting point is 00:27:38 A couple of major events in my childhood. Well, I found out that when I was an infant, I had a lot of major scares happen. Were you the kid that they beat? Nothing to do with that little girl on in the campground? I found the that when I was an infant, I had a lot of major scares happen. Were you the kid that they beat? That little girl on in the campground? Found the shuddy. I had a giant cabinet fall on top of me, just like major startling at a very early age. And I think.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Can I ask what you did to piss the cabinet off? I've been told that I crawled up like one shelf of the cabinet and the entire thing fell on me. So I think I was trauma, I think I felt scared at a very, very young age. I mean, I guess women are just scared of men hurting them and murdering them. Um, but- You all know- Maybe that's just a big slime.
Starting point is 00:28:22 I think that's a big slime. But okay, so- You will get angry though, because I've seen movies I've been in theaters with you. We're like, no! No! Like as if you're commanding the character- I remember, I will say I was at Halloween Horror Nights with you at Universal Hall.
Starting point is 00:28:37 The best. And anytime any of the characters would come up to do scares, you would say, no! Yes! No, sir. Not today. No, thank you. No, thank you would say, no. Yes, no, sir. Not today. No, thank you. No, thank you.
Starting point is 00:28:47 I see you. I'm not interested in your scares. Not right now. Thank you, kindly. Move right along. But so I am very easily startled. And yeah, I had some scares in this movie. But I was surprised I really wasn't.
Starting point is 00:29:02 The interesting thing about this movie is it's not that scary. There's nothing, they don't really go for the scares. This, this, this movie seemed to me also to have like, it's not a lot of jump scares, it's a little, and it's also not like super bloody and gory. No, but I don't. Like they would cut away from,
Starting point is 00:29:23 where, you know, like I felt like he would squeeze someone's head but like it would cut away to a shot of Jason's face and you just heard the squish and some blood would splatter on him yeah you wouldn't really see like someone's head being cave danner like this seems to me to be an effort to take an r-rated franchise and turn it into a PG 13 type of speaking of squish did you hear the condom come off? What? What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:29:50 What are you talking about? When they have sex in the RV. How much, how much you listening to this movie? Did you hear the condom come off? No, I didn't. All they were having sex with the condom came off at one point. No, after they had sex, I heard they were going. With this is when they were like,
Starting point is 00:30:05 she was like, dance fucking? Oh. Oh. I mean, can you, I wrote down, can we play this sex scene? They are fucking in rhythm. I loved it. His tank top is rolled up. You're seeing his nipples.
Starting point is 00:30:21 He or seen his nipples, but they're not, they're not like his shirt is just tussled. It has been... Rolled up. Rolled up. Rolled up. I couldn't make heads or tails of this. So we open up on the Walter White van,
Starting point is 00:30:36 and this happens. I mean, look at this. Look at him. Thanks. You're the best, the best! And a shirt is rolled up. Look at this, what is going on here? Like, what is this? And he's moving so spasmatic.
Starting point is 00:31:03 He's like... He's... They're... I feel like this person has never had sex. I also feel like when I watched it, I was like, are they just like kind of like dry-humping? I didn't know what was really happening. What? If he's like drunk pants? I guess I wasn't looking that closely at first.
Starting point is 00:31:24 You were just listening super closely. You were just like, you were just like, hang on, is there a condom on? I watch all my fill here. I can hear that there's a condom on. I am like Gene Hackman in the conversation just listening. You know what? Stop subtly plugging a pool. It's not on the list. But should it be
Starting point is 00:31:46 plucking on the list? But should it be? Maybe. All right, so here's the sex scene continued. I think it's gonna be the song. Come on, Slogan. Thank you. It's only 10 minutes. By the way, and I did't have a problem with that. 10 more minutes? What is this? Michael Jackson's thriller?
Starting point is 00:32:08 I mean, there was no way this song is 10 minutes long. No way. Unless she's getting the raw demos from the studio. There's no way. This is basically the neutron dance, and it is no way longer than 10 minutes. But he has a great, like a great take right now. She says 10 minutes.
Starting point is 00:32:26 That look is good. So Jason finds them and cuts the power and their RV and then he takes off a condom and then I was looking through the note. No, no, no, no, play the part where you hear the condom. That's what I need. Okay, listen closely. Oh yeah, listen, you didn't already.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Oh, who was that to end of the song? I thought I heard it. You thought you heard it? Oh, I am disturbed. Paul, here's what I will say. We have the app so. There's a bunch. Paul, you didn't already. How does it come up?
Starting point is 00:33:08 Is it arms don't move? Well, anyway, Nick, you think the condom just jumps off of his dick? Here's my update. These are camp counselors in the 80s. They're not using condoms. I ain't even got them. Snowwey.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Whoa, wow, wow. These two people both have chlamydia. This is where you are wrong because what Nick Kylie has found out was a director did add in a condom sound effect. What? And he wrote that he wanted to make sure that he was showing safe sex. Tom McLaughlin was like, I added that in because I wanted to make sure that I was promoting safe sex. Well then why didn't he add a shot of like a condom wrapper
Starting point is 00:33:52 that's been ripped open and is being used? Because it's for people. What is the sound of a condom? I can't. That's the t-shirt. What is the sound of a condom? That's a forerunner for a t-shirt. So that's that.
Starting point is 00:34:18 That was later, because how many people are here with the person that they're gonna fuck later. Later, I just want you to say to your partner, do the thing where you make the condom make the sound. But then what is the end sound? Such a... I just got a text from Nate Kylee who said, the director added the sound of an IUD being inside there. I will say this to no one in this movie knows really what sex sounds like because there's another moment in the film Where someone's being decapitated outside of the cabin she's like sex like
Starting point is 00:35:15 Those are not so much I mean if like that's a classic like horror trope though like mistaking women's pain for pleasure I mean So like mistaking women's pain for pleasure. They mean. But it wasn't like, it wasn't like, oh, it was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It wasn't like, it was like, oh, it was, because he was like, what are you doing? Take it a shit in there after you had that sexy in there. She's like, ah, he's like, take it a shit.
Starting point is 00:35:44 I love that. I love that they're like, we got to get out of here. And he immediately is like, it's like, taking a shit. I love that. I love that they're like, we gotta get out of here. And he immediately is like, it's fun to drive this thing. What are you taking a shit? I just saying that people don't, like, and I know what you're saying, do you not agree with you? Like, yes, but these are sounds that are not nearly screaming because she was being beaten by a monster and the other person got their head
Starting point is 00:36:07 bashed in. I did think it was interesting that Jason decapitated Sissy and then hauled her body away because that seemed very un-Jason-like. I don't know if that was just a move so young Nancy could get freaked out. But Jason's whole persona is that he's completely blank. Like he doesn't have... Yeah, what's his motivation? I'm being serious. I was like, what is he, like, if we don't kill him, does he just keep on going?
Starting point is 00:36:38 Who is he looking for? Tommy. Tommy? But if he kills Tommy, I think he would just keep on going. I think, yeah. No, I do think you're right. I think he is. And why would he kills Tommy, I think he would just keep on going. I think, yeah, no, I do think you're right. I think he is. But what I agree with you is why he doesn't seem at all concerned.
Starting point is 00:36:50 Why is he, if he kills someone, my impression is he would just like a senseless killing machine keep moving forward. Why does he know to move the bodies to hide the things? Does he carry Sissy's body away? But he takes her head and plants it in one of the police cars. Yes. They find Cissy's head and they're on. Very happy for Christie.
Starting point is 00:37:15 I mean, that's what I like about it. Ooh, and Poirot showed up in this movie. You know what the Jason movies could use? A little Miss Barple. Get me Kenneth Brauna. I would love it if Kenneth Brauna like mashed it up the next the next the next act of the Christian adaptation had Jason Vooriz in it.
Starting point is 00:37:36 And Poirot shows up. But also what was happening in that room when they walk into that one room? In the blood is everywhere and you just see like part of a skull on the floor. Like did he bring some back in there and just like have like a paint party with their blood? Well, what's he killed the woman?
Starting point is 00:37:53 What's her name? Sissy's friend. Right. Sissy and Megan's friend. What's her name? The one who had all the clothes on. Yeah, the one who's wearing all of the clothes. It could be her.
Starting point is 00:38:02 The entirety of her blood is spread across that one cabin. Yeah. She's the only person killed inside that room. And that was her skull on the ground. I don't think she was able to put her. I don't think she was able to. Yeah, that's her.
Starting point is 00:38:15 I think I feel, and I felt this when we met her, she put up a good fight. Yeah, oh wow. There are a lot of other people killed in this movie who seem to just like immediately accept their fate. Here's the other thing she felt to me like the person who by the logic of this movie, the person most deserving to live, right? She is never, she never has sex, she never transgresses in any meaningful way, she's only looking out for the little kids,
Starting point is 00:38:46 she seems to me to be the quintessential final girl. But instead it's Megan, who is the final girl, whose actions cause the deaths of much. Megan and Tommy are positive as the heroes of this movie. They are the villains. But my issue is,, well, I guess. Megan is horny for murder. And she is so excited by all of this.
Starting point is 00:39:15 I'm gonna come pick you up. It's gonna be so crazy. She's not motivated by like the 40 children who are sleeping in this camp. And in her care. And under her tibetan. And under her tibetan. Well, listen, I know what it is to be a counselor.
Starting point is 00:39:31 I'm just saying. I'm just saying. She is searching her duties. She's driving around in town chasing boys. And guess what? There's a murderer in the king. But my favorite moment of the movie is towards the end, when Tommy's in the water,
Starting point is 00:39:46 he's kind of blowing her off as he's tying a lot of steel chains around her rock. She's like, my dad, my dad's like, hold on, I got it, I got to do this rock thing. And he goes, go get the kids. And then you hear the kids scream, she runs, does what is the actionable thing to run to save the kids. No, no, no, no, don't, they're done. Come back. Like he is actively telling her, don't save the children. These people. It's too late for them.
Starting point is 00:40:13 These people put a boulder in a boat. How? How do they get that boulder into the boat? I mean, it was a- And that boat is like a very small- It's a dinghy. It's a dinghy, yeah. I mean, the plan for the end is really stupid
Starting point is 00:40:33 because Jason is coming at Tommy. And Tommy is like, it's like the slowest lasso. He's like, okay, I got it. Like, that would mean that Jason not only is just a mindless killing machine, but literally he can't put anything together. He doesn't see anything. He sees colors and shapes. That's it. Now I don't know how I would react if Jason walked up to me. You don't have any clue how you would react.
Starting point is 00:41:06 Okay, actually, I think I would, I think I would react in a way that would fear me. In what circumstances? Like, like, in the, any, any, in the middle of the day, at a Chipotle. Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Well, this is my point though. I think I would do the one thing that Jason cannot do, and that's run. I don't know about the other movies but it seems he maxes out at a just... A steady gate, not even a gate, just like a steady wall. No, he has like a consistent stride. It's a stride and it's lumbering and it's purposeful. If you look at his pedometer at the end of the day
Starting point is 00:41:46 He's getting 12,000 steps. Oh, he's getting his steps and he's counting his points and he's getting his steps in oh, yeah But he never picks up that pace because he knows you're eventually gonna fall down It's just so crazy. I mean, I guess this is just so hard to fall. Run, run, run to your phone. But it's just like, just run. It's the one thing he cannot do. Well, I mean, look, would you also say that this movie is more of an Amex movie or more of a visa movie? Amex. I mean, well, because I was like, don't leave home without it, but she did bring it and
Starting point is 00:42:27 it didn't help her. So I think it's more of a subtle ad for Visa. Maybe he would have taken Visa or diner's club. They really linger on a photo copy of an annex card. This movie couldn't even afford to get a prop annex card. It was like, just photocopied. No one will know. Here's my question. Just cut outopied. No one will know. Where's my question?
Starting point is 00:42:45 Just cut out two numbers. It would be fun. Is Diner's Club international still happening? Oh, how is there not a discovery card in this movie? But do people still have discovery cards and Diner's Club card? I can't imagine they do. Well, yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Thank you. Everybody in this audience bought to take a place. There's nobody in this audience bought that ticket for a diner. There's nobody in this audience who has a diner's club card. They accept it at her store. They accept diner's club at her store. They accept diner's club at your store. What's your...
Starting point is 00:43:16 She sells restaurants. Bookstore? A bookstore. Okay, so an obsolete thing accepts an obsolete form of payment, got it. I'd like to use that diner's club card to buy this book. And I'll close the gate when I'm done because this industry is over. I'm just getting a love book. And I love dininer's Club.
Starting point is 00:43:48 There was also one other thing I wanted to bring up before we get into the audience that I thought was odd. That the Sheriff's Deputy calls Megan, the Sheriff's daughter Babe. Yeah, I thought they were dating. In that moment when he said that, I thought, oh, are they supposed to have been a couple? Is that what? Because he called her. Oh, are they contemporaries, too?
Starting point is 00:44:06 I don't know. Everybody seemed to be the same age, 50. No, when he said that, I genuinely thought, oh, maybe they are supposed to have been established and I just missed it as a either couple or a potential couple. And so he sees Tommy as a threat. I don't know. But I thought that was confusing. Do you guys think that Deputy Rick Cologne was dating on the making?
Starting point is 00:44:28 I'm sorry, Deputy Rick Cologne is his name. Yep. Wow. Changing my name tomorrow. I'm Deputy Rick Cologne. All I want is the man can get. Here's what I want to know is what I want to know is can I still get a subscription to men at play magazine which is what sissy is reading at one point in her bunk at camp. Men
Starting point is 00:44:58 at play magazine. What is that? I wish they had done some close-ups. I wish there was like, I wish it had been like promo material for the movie was, was, I will tell you the only time I ever saw Playgirl, I was very young in my life. There we go. Was it your mom's Playgirl? It was not my mom's Playgirl. Like I was like, we're looking for Newtie magazine thing, which we can get it, like, what's in this one? And it was a man sailing on, I remember this image, literally. Wait, where did you get it? It was like on the bus, and I was like, look at this, it was like, right.
Starting point is 00:45:36 What do you mean it was just on the bus? Well, according to the- The bus doesn't come with Newtie magazines. The kid on the bus said his dad had a, and now as I say it out loud, his dad had played. A kid on the bus brought a Newtie magazine, and it was Playgirl.
Starting point is 00:45:58 His dad's Newtie magazine was a Playgirl? This is how I remember the story being told to me, that his dad has safe room full of Newtie magazines, and he could only take one at a time, and he would bring different Newtie magazines onto the bus. We did. This dad was giving, like, doling the mouth? No, that he could only...
Starting point is 00:46:18 What's in a library? Did he have to, like, put punch it out? You can keep this one for two weeks. My middle school brain just assumed that he could only heist one before it would go on note. This is dad was doing like daily inventory. Yes. Because his dad's going to the safe room full of
Starting point is 00:46:39 porno magazines. Honestly, what was now in adulthood? What was that kid's life? I have no idea. All I know is that I traded for a penthouse air freshener. What? What does that even smell like? For real.
Starting point is 00:46:57 For real. What does that smell like? What do you mean? Imagine if you will, an erotic air freshener by the way who's putting that up in their car what do you mean you traded for it? like what does that mean? yeah what did you have to offer?
Starting point is 00:47:25 What did you do for that, babe? I feel like it was some sort of Star Wars figure. Ooh, for a penthouse air fresco. Yeah, like it may have been like three Star Wars figures for a penthouse air fresco. I just imagine it's like kind of a woman in silhouette. Oh, I remember exactly. And it just is like the scent is beave.
Starting point is 00:47:46 It was cut to her body. So it was like a woman, like on her knees, out but it was like in the shape of her body. And when I got it, there was no smell. So it was a use? Oh, yeah, it wasn't a brand new one. Because the guy and his dad had done all the smelling. It was like, got it.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Yeah, can I take this air freshener for a day? The only thing that I remember in this play girl was a guy on a yacht and he was putting up a sail like this and he just had a raging heart on and it was very sporty and when I saw that it was very sporty. Yeah, it was sort of like you don't just get to say it was very sporty and let it kind of go away. It was very sport. Is that like, has that stuck with you? That is.
Starting point is 00:48:50 Do you mean it was like a sporty sport? A sporty sport? Like what? What does that mean? What was surprising to me, I think, it stuck with me until this day and I haven't thought about it in years, is that it was an activity that was non-sexual.
Starting point is 00:49:04 That was like, huh. It's like Orlando Bloom, when he was paddle boarding with his dick out, you're like, oh, that's the thing you can do. OK. It just seemed like sporty. Yeah, it just seemed like sporty. I'm like, when I'm at the grown-up, I might say oh, nude. With a full orange.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Yeah, I might just be like, gotta put up this sail. I got a lot on it. Isn't that interesting that that's an integral part of your sexual identity? Is understanding that one might get a boner while yachting? But it wasn't just like getting a boner. It was like, I'm going to fuck this boat.
Starting point is 00:49:41 I'm gonna like launch this sail with a full-onction like it wasn't like I can win the America's Cup with this fucking mask Like set the main sale all of John B all I'm saying is I identify with hearing the title of that magazine Wow, I love that a kid brought a play girl as a nudie mag and everybody was like I loved it, man. I loved it, man. I loved it. A kid brought a play girl as a nudie mag, and everybody was like, we're all getting this, is part of it, sporty boners, I'm in.
Starting point is 00:50:14 It was, like, as long as that kid was on the bus, there was always some sort of like... Something to look at. Yeah, something there. And we were relegated to do whatever we could find in the swamp or the woods. We had the safe room full of porno. That's very lucky.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Yeah. Well, let's go to the audience. And... Please. All right, sir, your sound of a condom being taken off in your question. John? Paul, I'm going to ask you to stop going to the audience. A question. A, John? Paul, I'm going to ask you to stop going to men for this.
Starting point is 00:50:51 I'm trying to get some more. I'm going to need some ladies to raise their hands please. I'm looking for some lady hands. All right, here we go. I'm looking for some lady hands. That's a t-shirt. I'm looking for some lady hands. That's a t-shirt. I'm looking for some lady hands, and then just two hands. One, and you have to figure out which is the ladies.
Starting point is 00:51:12 That's a t-shirt, guys. Someone's writing these down, right? All right, sir, your question. How many is too many pictures to hang in your RV by one nail a good question. A lot of things hung in the RV. I didn't notice that. Well, no, I'm glad you brought that up, though, because the scene where what's his face is driving the RV, I mean, he's trying to kill that woman. He's trying to murder her. There's no way, if she had not been killed by Jason,
Starting point is 00:51:46 she would have died in the back of the RV. 100%. She wouldn't have survived. The first thing to fly out of that RV in the most expensive stunt in the film was a TV, like a full-sized TV. Really? Yeah. I missed that. Yeah, I just flew on the road.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Maybe you were watching it, not letterbox, like I was watching it. Where they have the condom sounds and multiple scenes. I was watching it on an old Zoom. Are, ma'am, your condom sound, your name, your question. I guess there is no sound, because it's not that hard to put on. Okay, but take off.
Starting point is 00:52:24 All right, well, just stop. Oh, boy. That's also not my job. All right, not her job, all right. Not my job. Fair enough. I will say, ladies, you have to take charge of your safe sex, I think.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Fair enough, that's absolutely true. No, is it not anybody's job? Whose job is it? My job? I think it's the man's job to take off his own condom and deal with it. I'm just saying ladies, you can take off my condom if you want. Jason, I don't want to. You can also leave it on for as long as you need. I'm still wearing one from three years ago.
Starting point is 00:53:02 You should definitely take that off. Because some lady didn't take it off. It smells terrible. All right, ma'am, your question. So where a bunch of former day camp counselors and summer camp counselors? I see you. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:53:22 I see you. Where did those kids come from? Like, because that lady shoves them out of the bus and is like, they're yours now. Yeah. That's what was weird. It also seemed like they were just there for the weekend. Right. Well, they're kept on saying, we can't run this summer camp because two people aren't here, but yet they were more than the two. They didn't seem that understaffed. I think they were understaffed. They seemed...
Starting point is 00:53:52 That's a lot of kids. Well, here's... Here's what we only saw. We saw, let's see, three female counselors, but only one male counselor, right? So there's got to be other... Well, there was the head counselor who was killed. Yeah. And that's it.
Starting point is 00:54:08 So how many people are at this camp and how many... What is this? Is there a nurse? Is there an administrative staff? Like, I've got like four counselors max and a bunch of campers. Yeah, everything. Everyone's wearing a lot of hats.
Starting point is 00:54:23 For me, I wouldn't send my kids there. Okay. and a bunch of campers. Everyone's wearing a lot of hats. For me, I wouldn't send my kids there. Okay. I don't have kids, but I wouldn't send them there. But none of them died, so they did a great job. Yeah. Ma'am, your name, your question. Here we go. Becky, did anybody else notice the abrupt,
Starting point is 00:54:41 kind of scary change of tone from the little girl who scared the whole time, and then when the counselor says, let's go, let's go back and whatever. She's like, okay, like she spends about like three seasons, be like, oh, oh, oh, oh, maybe in a second. She's like, okay. What's weird about the counselor, the counselor who's wearing all the clothes is, and I did really like her and appreciate her, but she is holding that little girl brings a bloody
Starting point is 00:55:03 machete to her. And she has no reaction to it. And that little girl doesn't lead with the bloody machete either. She's like, hey, there's a strange man outside my window. Oh, oh yeah, and then I also have this bloody machete. They've set her up as like a girl who cries wolf. She's scared of monsters. She's scared.
Starting point is 00:55:21 She had a bad dream. She's blah, blah, blah. But then she walks in with the minute you see a bloody machete, you can't be like there just messing around, you know. And if by the way, this is how they mess around, like, that's trouble like. Yes.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Also, like, nobody seems to be nervous when their friends disappear. You know, because that woman is like, oh my God, it's so late, I can't believe they're still not here. And I don't know. Maybe as a counselor, you're like, it's totally normal to once the campers are asleep, disappear for hours into the woods. Listen, I'm thank you for accrediting me. I don't know if that's accreditation. I don't know that that's I don't know. I don't know that you can get college credit right now. As a counselor, well I was a counselor before cell phones.
Starting point is 00:56:12 So no it is related because- A pre-cell phone counselor. I was a pre-cell phone counselor so you didn't have access to people. I mean I yearn for those days again. We all yearn for pre days again. Well, you're in for pre-self-on-days. Yes. But I remember, yeah, you did, you couldn't keep track of everybody. So, I don't know, that was your stated job. Your job was to keep track of it. Of course you could keep track of the kids. Of course it was.
Starting point is 00:56:41 It was harder when they didn't have GPS machines in their pockets, but. I mean, those head counselors had been gone for days. They never showed up. Completely absent. Yeah. All right, I have a question up here. Ma'am, your name, your question, what do you got? Before we get to that, Paul, one question.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Come here quickly. Who is the woman that the guy is Hold on once again in the trailer? Is she a counselor? Yes, she's a guy again Jason Who is the woman that the guy is having sex with in the trailer? Counselor is she a trailer counselor as well or is she just a trailer Townie I mean she's both I think I think all of these counselors are also Counties you think they're locals who are Councils and teller and she's a, I think. I think all of these counselors are also counties. You think they're locals? Who are counselors?
Starting point is 00:57:27 Well, Megan's a counselor and she's a townie. That's true, I guess. I think Sissy's a townie. I think they're all counselors in your town. No. No. It's my real- It was a day camp counselor in my town, but I was not
Starting point is 00:57:43 an overnight counselor in my own town. Were was not an overnight counselor in my hometown. Were you ever an overnight counselor? Yes. Wow. Obviously, we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. All right.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Yes, today. Michael Myers-Freddy Childs play Jason Voorhees, hunting crystal lake Oh, all the thrills have gone away Secondly, opinions twice the stars they ought to be. How could this have ever frightened me? Oh, give me some anxiety. Why they had to rate it five stars I couldn't say. Seems this film was shot am I wrong in just a day
Starting point is 00:58:54 Yesterday Amazing give it up boy Amazing, give it up for your names. Malia and who? Dan. Give it up for Malia and Danny! Wow. Well done. Those were amazing to get opinion songs.
Starting point is 00:59:13 I could not take my eyes off of those two. Their harmonies were beautiful. Beautiful. Amazing. These are five star reviews, cold from There are 381 reviews of this film. 68% are five star. And we will get right into it. This one is written by Andrew Lynch. I will say that when we announced this film, people were upset. This is one of their favorite Jason films.
Starting point is 00:59:39 I think because of all things we talked about, the kind of the comparisons to scream, the light, the fun of all of it, but these people take it pretty seriously. Okay, Andrew Lynch writes, not a lot of people dig it, because Jason looks like a zombie, whereas number five was kind of disappointing with the fake killer or imposter Jason. But here, you get a good story,
Starting point is 01:00:04 lots of gore, and kills worthy of being called Friday the 13th. I remember, I used to watch Jesus play mom as a kid. My favorite thing to this day is still part eight. Jason takes Manhattan. I grew up in New York all my life. So my mom would say, be good, or Jason will take you to camp
Starting point is 01:00:26 crystal like himself. Good times. This is a lot like your pants. I know. The drum care ticker is the best. He reminds me of my landlord. Ha, ha, ha. If you're a collector or a fan or a first-timer, you can't go wrong.
Starting point is 01:00:49 Five out of five stars, it's Jason. What's not the love? This one is written by Call Me Dup. The movie's title, Jason Lives. This is clearly a problem because Jason has died and he's risen from the grave, so now he's definitely not living. He's a walking corpse who somehow experienced no muscle deterioration from his years in a coffin.
Starting point is 01:01:18 The end. Five stars? Yep. Despite it all. Wow. This one is written by SR. At first, I didn't like this movie, but my child had never seen it.
Starting point is 01:01:34 That's right. Child. So I ordered it and guess what? Now, I really like it. Five stars. What? Is the transaction simply that the child needs to see it for him to like it? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:01:54 I mean, I don't know. There's probably a lot of movies that the child hasn't seen. I feel like this kid was like, I like meatballs, dad, which is bizarre for her. And the dad was like, here's faces of death. Yeah. Like, oh, here's faces of death. Yeah, like, oh, here's also a movie with kids in a summer camp. Wow.
Starting point is 01:02:09 This one is the one that I really wanted to read. This is by VK Managlaverius. And he writes, as I said in my part five review, people in all caps must stop giving false information. Why are you giving false information by saying wrongly that Tommy went to Jason's grave at the beginning? Like like part five never existed. Are you well my friend? Do you need a doctor? Yes, Tommy with a friend went to Jason's grave and resurrected him by accident, but this is not meant that that part five was ignored as you wrongly said, because my friend put in the DVD of part 6 again in
Starting point is 01:03:08 the DVD player and we watched the beginning when Tommy and his all in caps and his friend were talking in the car before they reached Jason's grave saying that they escaped from the mental institute where Tommy wasn't part 5 and we're gonna go and cremate Jason's body so that Tommy's Jason nightmares would be over. Okay? All those nightmares he had from part five. And Tommy's friends that they would be crazy to escape and if they would, they'd be caught, then they'd be in trouble. And you, my friend, dare say that part five never happened?
Starting point is 01:03:47 From now on be careful of what you say And all of you who wrongly try to bury a great sequel like part five because There are true Jason fans out there like me who know the truth and don't take your bullshit easily You got it my friend Nuss said five stars I love I Love that this five star review has multiple threats in it
Starting point is 01:04:27 Who is this conversation with? Who is this? This basically is about fake news. I mean, it is someone called Mr. Pumpkin Man. Mr. Pumpkin Man? Yeah. The tagline, I think is actually pretty clever. If you think it's hard to keep a good man down, try keeping a bad one. I guess it should be down.
Starting point is 01:04:55 If you think it's hard keeping a good man down, try keeping a bad one. If you think it's hard to keep a good man down, dot, dot, dot, try keeping down a bad one? That's actually not a good one. It's concise and it's a makes a thing. Do you think it's hard keeping a good man down? This is, try keeping a bad man hard. On a yacht. Sporty. Try keeping a bad man hard on a yacht.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Sporty. Sporty. Try keeping a sporty boner hard on a yacht. This one on a catamaran. This one I think is tricky because in the grand scheme of the Nightmare on Elm Street franchises, the nightmare returns. Well, that would mean it would be a Freddie movie. Sure. Seems like that would be a Freddie movie.
Starting point is 01:05:45 Sure. Seems like that was a really rough one. This movie's budget was $3 million. It's opening weekend with $6 million. It was the first Jason film not to gross $20 million. It came in number 46 out of all the movies made in 1986. The top three movies are Top Gun, Crockett Al Dundee, and Platoon. This movie was beaten by Cobra. Howard the Duck, Maximum Overdrive.
Starting point is 01:06:15 Oh, sorry. This movie was beaten by Cobra. This movie beat Howard the Duck, Maximum Overdrive, Shanghai Surprise, Rad, and Solar Babies. Wow. Howard the duck maximum overdrive Shanghai surprise rad and solar babies Wow, wait, sorry, what year is this 1986? The director has Jason's Cemetery grave in his front yard with a Piece of the leg coming out of it and a city employee enter his yard to read the meter because he thought a real body
Starting point is 01:06:46 was buried there. And I don't want to take a guess on how many kills were made in this movie? Well, them, 18, you're right, 18 kills. It's the thing, why does so many people know? That means all of you who said it were counting and that's weird. Why are you counting like one, two, three, no you missed the woman in the puddle of mud. Oh right puddle of mud woman.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Jason June any final thoughts before we ask if you're going to recommend it? Anything that we didn't mention? Yeah, there was a couple of things. Tony Goldwood really blew my mind. Like, it seems to me that Johnny Depp in the original NM street, like young, I love that horror movies of the 80s are the proving ground for the young talent going forward. That always, I enjoy that. Young talent that looks 50.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Yes. Well, I think that that speech that that one character gives about the American Indians is such a crazy... I rewound that. I had to watch it twice I couldn't make heads or tails of what he was saying I kind of was impressed with the commitment of it I'll just play a section of it here. Listen. Yeah, I basically don't know anything about Indians Okay, I probably none of you do probably pause for a second
Starting point is 01:08:19 So are we to believe that underneath this is a gray tank top? Because later when he's boning down in the trailer, it's just wearing a gray tank top. Well that's not your safe sex tank top. Yes, the condom tank top. Okay, got it. Let's just say you have a chief, right? And he dumps his squire, his wife, whatever. And he decides, I take it, I'm gonna pick up with another woman, take off with her.
Starting point is 01:08:42 So he takes off, leaving his son with the mother and all said, you know, a week or two later, the son wants to catch up with his dad, ready to learn how to shoot a bow, stuff, you know, kill a buffalo, whatever these guys do. So what happens is he comes along, sees the rocks, his daddy, he went that way, obviously. And so what happens is he comes up, knocks them all down for the mother catches up, because she doesn't,
Starting point is 01:08:58 he doesn't want to see it anymore. So I'm, you know, pretty much that's the basic story. Touching where they go. If this is as exciting as it gets gets we're in big trouble, dude I mean imagine if the whole movie was those two kids They are crushing. I mean basically would be salute your shorts with Jason, which I would be down I love to that the the Jason that Jason broke the dad in half. When Jason killed the sheriff dad,
Starting point is 01:09:28 he like folded him like he was like putting a t-shirt away. June anything else in the room? No, I mean we've covered it. It's hard. I will recommend watching this movie. The movie to me, I did get lost in it. So many of the movies we watch are so painful to consume. And this, I did enjoy just the viewing of it.
Starting point is 01:09:58 Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. It's like, I had no expectations for it. Once you know you're on number six, there's no expectation that it will be anything but terrible. But it does make some moves that are interesting and surprising. I guess I like this movie.
Starting point is 01:10:18 I enjoyed it. I also would recommend it. I enjoyed watching it. Yeah. I would, too. I think it has a lot of fun stuff. And I feel like if the studio committed to letting it be a little bit more of what it wanted to be,
Starting point is 01:10:31 I think it could have even been better. Because there are a lot of things that you feel like they also then paid off on the things that they went back and forth. It also doesn't get mired in a lot of unnecessarily, unnecessary plotting. Like it really is kind of vignettes. Like, it really is, you're always being introduced to new people.
Starting point is 01:10:50 You get a taste of them, they get murdered, moving on. And that made it kind of fun to watch this. It's because you're never like, oh, these people again, because it's always killing and recycling. It's the Altman version of these Jason movies. It's like you get it. Okay, I'm spooled. This is not the Nashville version. This is not Nashville for horror movies. It took the words right out of my mouth. You know, I think Spike Lee said it best when he was on our show.
Starting point is 01:11:15 You always. I did love the fact that he took three heads off with one machete. I loved. And why was that paintballer so like mad at that woman and carrying a machete to a paintballed mat? He was like a misogynist in this woods at a paintball company retreat. Like chopping stuff with like, why was he allowed to bring a machete? Because Jason needed one. That was the only justification.
Starting point is 01:11:43 I guess we gotta get him a machete. Anyway, he can't go to Home Depot. At the end of the movie, Tommy successfully gets a chain around Jason's neck, dumps the boulder in the river, Jason is then like trapped at the bottom of the river. That's the idea. That's how they manage to save the day, everything. Then it cuts to daytime, everything's good. And they have chosen to leave Jason at the bottom of the river. But we have to assume police have now come. Police have like talked to Megan.
Starting point is 01:12:20 They've talked to Tommy. They've talked to the campers. And they're like, he's right there. I weighed him down with a boulder. campers, and they're like, he's right there. I weighed him down with a boulder. And the police were like, well, we're going to have to get him out of there and like, no, no, no, leave him in the river. Well, leave him in the lake.
Starting point is 01:12:34 I have two questions about this. One, Tommy decides, based, I guess, in those books that he read, that he needs to put Jason back in the traumatic incident to kill him for good, which is fucked up. Just on an emotional level. Well, also because he was never killed there, but. Oh, I guess you're right, yeah. And also because he's never, you can't kill him because he is the living dead.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Well, yeah, but here's. He's like just awake underwater. But here's the thing that I'm most confused about. And I forget, I can't believe we didn't bring this up They take on outboard boat motor to Jason and it seems to chop him up You would think it would cut off his head cut off his chest do something he seems to be Totally into like Wolverine fine. He's got a healing factor. So what was happening? What happened?
Starting point is 01:13:25 I don't know. I don't know because there was blood in the water. By the way, they shot some of that in the director's pool and fucked up his pool filter. And chunks. It was blood and chunks. And you got a sense that real damage was being done by the motor.
Starting point is 01:13:41 But he was totally fine. But this guy, does he come back in seven? Yeah, of course. And he's fine, right? Of course. He was fine at the end of the movie. He's there with the boulder. I open the garden, let's do it again.
Starting point is 01:13:54 No, why can't Jason? He's awake, right, underwater. Pull himself like this, right? Further down, loosening the chain off. underwater. Pull himself like this, right? Through their down, loosening the chain off. That's all he has to do. This, that's it. Provide loosen the tension by dragging your own self down, loosen, and you're out.
Starting point is 01:14:22 By the way, the way that they show the strength in this movie, you could say we just break that chain with his bare hands. He also survived the RV's complete steps? Cody, whatever that kid's saying in the head. The, what? Quirk. Quirk.
Starting point is 01:14:39 Quirk. Quirk. They should have named him Cody. Stabs Cody in the head. The whole thing flip-flops upside down and Jason's like, I'm okay. So you think just putting them on a rock at the bottom is gonna hold them no way?
Starting point is 01:14:53 He could probably just drag that rock right out. He could have just like, yes, also, here's Jason. Pull, pull, pull. Now, feet on the bottom of the lake, walk, drag. Walk, drag, walk, drag, I'm out, murder, murder, murder, murder, murder, murder, murder. That's it? Like, it's not a satisfying method of defeating him.
Starting point is 01:15:15 I think they realize that they can't really kill him too severely because he's got to come back. I guess so. Well, there we did. We've really broken it down, And this is your premiere horror podcast. How did this get made? We know all the ins and outs. We're giving you the most thorough explanation of Jason and Condom removal sounds.
Starting point is 01:15:33 A big shout out to Avril Halley who is here tonight, our amazing producer. She's here. Give it up for her. Also our engineer, Devon, killing it over there. Beth Thomas, our stage manager, she's amazing. Thank you everybody here in Berkeley. Yeah! You did it Berkeley!
Starting point is 01:15:59 Thank you for coming, we appreciate it. All right, that brings us to the end of our show. Thank you everyone for coming out to that really fun show at Berkeley. I know it was hot. If you were in that crowd, the AC was not working and we appreciate you all sticking it out to talk Jason Voorhees with us. Again, a big tip of the hat to our producer, Avril Halley, who pulls all of these movies and finds these amazing experiences for us to share with all of you.
Starting point is 01:16:27 Devon is out there engineering the board making it sure it sounds good. I mean, it's a live show. It's complicated and it does sound so, so good. Also just a reminder, if you're not watching Big Mouth, guess who's in it? Jason, June, and me, that's our big mouth. Season three available on Netflix right now. And June Diane Rafefield wrote a book. It's called Represent, Oh, Women's Guide Two,
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Starting point is 01:17:04 And as I've said previously, the good places back on NBC and guess what that means? It's the final season. So who's returning? Oh, I don't know. Jason's been on that show. I've been on that show. I wonder what will happen. I guess you'll just have to tune in and watch to see how it all shakes out. And also if you're not listening to unspooled, check it out. We've had some really fun episodes recently. Last week we did the Godfather. And that's a great place to kind of start on the show. A classic film. You can kind of get a taste of what we've been doing over at Unspooled. And a big thank you to everybody else who helps us out. Nate Kiley with his amazing research. And of course, Kyle Waldron with his amazingly cool Instagram art, also the ghost of Craig T. Nelson has been designing some really classic art for us right now.
Starting point is 01:17:50 Like I always say, head on over to, slash stores, slash HDTGM to check out our shirt, which is a very spatial Jason Manzucus Jason Voorhees mashup shirt, it's available right now in the store. A big thanks to Cody Fisher, another one of our producers, and Josh Richmond, and everybody at Earwell for making this show sound so good. Tune in next week for a mini episode and give me a call at 619 P.A.U.L. ASK, that's 619 Paul, ask to have any questions about this film answered or just to have a question about your own personal life answered. I take great care and making sure that I give you the best advice I can.
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