How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Gooby w/ Nathan Fielder

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

Finally, a kids movie that proves the age-old adage that a child’s best friend is a 7-foot-tall scary-ass looking Scottish bear that makes other kids piss their pants. Star of the hit TV show The Rehearsal and resident Canada expert Nathan Fielder joins Paul, June, and Jason to discuss a movie with no plot simply known as Gooby. Why do some see Gooby as a man in a costume and others see him as a monster? What led to Eugene Levy being in this movie? Tune in as they discuss Gooby's creepy interactions with kids and much more!For more Matinee Monday content, check out Paul's YouTube page:https://www.youtube.com/c/PaulScheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: https://discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to Find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is Not on Twitter

Finally, a kid's movie that proves the age-old adage that a kid's best friend is a seven-foot-tall, scary-ass-looking Scottish bear that makes other kids piss their pants. We saw Gooby, so you know what that means. Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I am Paul Shear joined as always by Jason Manzukas. How are you, Jason? Oh, I'm terrific, Paul. How are you? Very good. And, June Diane Rayfield, how are you, June? I'm good, Paul. How are you? Very good. We have a very special guest today from the hit TV show, Nathan For You. Please welcome Nathan Fielder. Give it up for Nathan. Welcome, Nathan. Thanks for having me. And your show comes back on June 24th. If you've not seen the show, put your DVRs. It's amazing. It's so funny. June 24th. Set those DVRs now. But we will wait, so please go to your... Yeah, we'll wait. We'll give you, like, what? Like, three minutes? Yeah, like, I was gonna say, like, two, two and a half minutes. No, give me three. Okay, just in case you're powering up. This movie, Gooby, holy moly, people have talked about this movie. Really? I've never heard of this.

I've heard about it through people who like bad movies back. Have you seen Gooby? And so it's been on my radar. I had a question just straight out of the gate. I didn't do any research on this film. And at a certain point, I started to feel as though this might have been a film made for kids dealing with mental illness. Well, I wrote that in all mental illness. Like, as if to say, like, here's a movie. Here's one for you guys. Like, you're dealing with a lot. Like, the world is like, the kid is definitely having like some sort of like spells. We'll see that. I really want to get into that because that was my biggest question too, which is the setup of Gooby's arrival. Correct. Because it actually, I would argue that he is just a kid with an active imagination. He's not, and he moves and that's a big change for anyone. I just felt that his active imagination was not, it wasn't like, oh, he's so creative. It was like, his mom says hallucinations. Here's my question. Were the problems starting before he moved out of that house or not?

Yes. Yeah. So, okay, so he's already been to the therapist. The woman, the mom says, you know, Dr. Remember what Dr. Such and Such said. But here's my question. It seemed like he enjoyed the town and he had friends at his old school. Sure. She didn't want to move. This is what's hard to wrap your mind around because you want to think that it's circumstantial, that something major happens, which is that he's totally uprooted from his life. And then he's so scared of new experiences and Gooby comes to the rescue. But that's not what happens, which makes me wonder, where was Gooby all along?

Yeah. If he was having those problems. Where was Gooby all along? But also, I felt at a certain point, I was like, oh, this is going to be a Calvin and Hobbes kind of scenario where the Gooby character, only he sees the Gooby as the person. No, everyone sees Gooby. Nope, not true. Everybody can see Gooby as a giant monster. There's a monster in the world. And so the kid imagines other monsters. Remember that blue monster that's in his backyard? That's one that he's really afraid of, that two-headed monster. Yeah, I didn't understand that.

Yeah. So is that a monster? That was called a Hooby? Hoonies? Hoonies, yeah. Right, which is really close to Gooby. Gooby. Yeah.

Oh yeah, there's a real consistency. They're all part of the same filo. But in the set up of the movie, the kid is kind of telling you his struggle and you don't really empathize with him, right? Because he seems like he's troubled. He seems like he has a harder time than the average kid would dealing with what are kind of basic things, right? Yeah, well it seemed like, as much as he loved that, he seemed like he wasn't healed the proper way either, because... From some trauma? I don't know. Was there trauma? I think maybe it was just systematic bad parenting. Yeah, well this is a real... The parents in this movie are assholes.

The movie is a scathing indictment of two working parent households. Here, take a listen to the mom and how bad she is. This has gone on long enough, okay? We're moving today. But you're wrecking all my stuff. Unbelievable. Six weeks we've been dealing with this. You're way too old for this behavior. Six weeks. Way way too old. But those are my battle plans, my models, and this is my aim of the fire. It keeps me safe from danger.

Okay, now I'm hearing new things upon the second viewing. She's saying that this has been going on for only six weeks. No, the move. The move is... This is to establish the time jump, because this scene comes after. So is he starts preparing for the move, the Hoonies? No, he's drawing the Hoonies in the first scene. Like they are... He is having full-blown hallucinations that aren't just like a...

To me, that aren't just an active imagination, because we see them brought to life in his world. When he's visualized in them, he's like, Oh my God, there's a Hoonie over there, and he gets really still and whatever. But then, also, Gooby comes to life, and he's standing over there. And Gooby is not also a toy that you would think in a movie like this, like in Calvin and Hobbes. Hobbes is like his toy that he plays with. His best friend. But this Gooby is not his best friend.

It's a discarded toy. If anything, in the first ten minutes... He left it at the house. Absolutely. In the first ten minutes, you think the amulet is going to come back. You did? Yeah. That this movie was going to be about the amulet? There are so many references to the amulet, and how he's close to that amulet that...

I would love it if the amulet instead came to life. As an amulet? Yeah, Booby. Booby the amulet. But I wasn't there. Well, whatever. I feel like Gooby, by the way, the movie's original title was a Ted named Gooby. I guess that's my other question, is I didn't think of Gooby as a monster. I thought of him as a teddy bear.

I did too, but everybody keeps referring to him as a monster. Okay, which I have an issue with, because he doesn't like... Well, there was the craziest thing too, where people who saw him would see him as a monster. Yeah. But then when Halloween hit... Well, I'm jumping out of order. It keeps going like Halloween comes, and then everyone sees it as a man in a costume. Yes.

And then also, throughout the movie, it's not consistent when someone says, oh, it's just a guy in a costume, which they use to cover him sometimes. People all believe it, immediately. Yeah, that's totally cool. And no one's even saying, that's an amazing costume. That's the greatest costume I've ever seen. People just think it's, oh, that's just a man in a costume. No, nobody says, oh my god, for a second, I thought that that was a real monster.

Or a bear. Or a bear. Well, my thing is this. It's clearly not a real bear, because it does not look like a real bear, right? There's nothing about it that looks like a real bear. It looks like a man in a costume. And so when Eugene Levy's character... Well, Eugene Levy's in this movie.

Oh, yeah, yeah. If you're wondering if Eugene Levy's in this movie, he is. And he's awesome. I love Eugene Levy, and I'm excited that he did this. But his character has a lot of things we have to talk about. But when he wants to get a picture of this, what would stop anyone going, well, that's just a picture of a man in a costume. Because that was my issue with it, too.

Look at this creature, but then they're like, well, that's just a guy in a... We don't believe in a big picture. Did anyone else notice that they were referring to him a lot as an orange monster? And maybe I'm colorblind, but I didn't think he looked orange. Now, I know this is a small detail. This is like brown. He's brown, as I know it. I would say that as well.

But everybody kept calling him, and did you see the orange monster? Everybody had the script written, and then someone made the prop, or whatever, his costume, and then they just said, well, we're not going to change every word to brown. Well, here's the weirdest thing about the look of Gooby. This is the weirdest thing about the look of Gooby? All right, great. Gooby is legit terrifying to look at. Yes.

Yeah, not a fun creature. Gooby is not lovable, is not like... Gooby is like... What is his personality? What is his age? Because I also had a real problem with this being like... I felt he was a middle-aged man. There was a middle-aged man taking this young boy out in the middle of the night into, like, deep into the woods.

I was like, what is happening? Well, that's what... My big concern about this movie was that it was, like, Gooby acts like a child molester. A child molester? Yes, absolutely. This whole movie, like, sit on my lap. Do you trust me? He says at one point, tomorrow I want you to go on an adventure with me.

Don't you trust me? I was like, the answer should be no. The lesson we should be teaching children is no. I don't trust you to take me to the woods. Because I felt very uncomfortable at the very end, not to reveal anything, but... Reveal away. At the very end, when Gooby finds another friend, another child in need, who's like this young, very young girl with pigtails, I felt a visceral, like, no.

Yeah, don't give... Gooby did not want to share his relationship. Maybe it's about, like, a child dealing with sexual abuse from his father. Yeah. So he's trying to act like it's a fun dog. It could also be that. It could also be that. By the way, it could totally be that.

Because I thought for a while that Gooby was going to be... We were going to reveal that Gooby was also in the dad's life. That's what I thought, too. I thought we were all headed there. You could argue there is no plot to this movie. You can't say... Well, this makes Jack Frost seem totally normal. There's nothing...

There's no... There's not... Like, literally, I'm not, like, exaggerating. Like, oh, there's literally no plot. There is no plot. There's no plot. There are five actors. It's almost like Brechtian, what's happening.

It's like so few people in an environment that has no other people. The entire, like, hokey kind of, uh-oh, crazy supermarket scene. Like, somebody's going to see Gooby. They're not. It's empty. There's not a person in the supermarket. But by the way, Gooby does not also try to hide in front of people either. No, he loves talking to everybody.

Yeah. Well, that's why I ask again, what is Gooby and who is he? Because there are times where he seems... Like, I would love to say, oh, Gooby always forgets how big he is. Gooby always forgets his stature and so just runs out and he thinks he's a... That doesn't seem to be the case. At points, he seems very... Savvy.

Very savvy. Yeah. Very insightful. Well, he brings Willy to the father's old home. Gooby is, like, going on Stanley Tucci and Lovely Bones on this kid. Yeah. He's bringing him down to weird... Well, no, Gooby is not, like...

I wouldn't even... I couldn't even describe Gooby, like, as a character. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like... What is he? One of the first things he did was blow a fart in the kid's face. Yeah. That...

Right? That was, yeah, the important part. That's what they established. That's their bonding moment. Right, yeah. And he also is eating out of a giant Tupperware of raw hot dogs and he goes, watch this. That was a disgusting scene. He takes a bite of a hot dog and just throws it at the kid's face.

Disgusting. Yeah. As if that's a fun game. There's also the scene where Gooby first goes to... When he... Willy's trying to find out where to put Gooby in the house. It's a very, like, ET kind of scenario. Yes, and he takes him out to the shed and Gooby says, I can't...

Could anyone hear? I also had trouble with, like, the sound mix in this movie. I couldn't hear a lot of the words, but doesn't... Gooby say, I can't stay here because there's... Why doesn't he stay in that shed? In the basement. He doesn't stay in the basement because it's too dark and he's clearly afraid of the dark. No, that's the first night out in the shed.

No, they move from the basement. Then he moves him to the shed. And that's when Gooby, that's when Gooby's reading comic books and drawing pictures. And at a certain point I was like, he can't sleep. Like, he's definitely going to jerk off, right? Like, that's what's coming next. He's like, so like, I'm up, I can't fall asleep. Oh, I might as well pound my Gooby.

He's also watching TV shows, like watching very old movies and stuff. Like he's an older man. Like a 45-year-old man in a shed. Also, Gooby is voiced by Hagrid from the Harry Potter movies, Robbie Coltrane. So that should be noted as well. He sounds like an older Scottish gentleman. Well, let's actually play the scene where we meet Gooby for the first time. Or, yeah, let's hear that one to get a sense of what Gooby is like.

Three. The bells. You guessed it. I thought it would take a lot longer than that. So Gooby is also afraid of Hoonies. No, he doesn't know what they are, though. After that, he's like, wait, what's a Hoonie? Okay, so that's just sort of the gruff lovable.

Again, I just want to reiterate. This appearance of the magical bear come to life is appearing to a child who is already experiencing hallucinations. Yes. But he's not a hallucination. But Gooby is not, like, it's not a... He's like a snuff-a-lofagus kind of figure. But the only way that they describe Gooby is he goes,

the kid at one point with narration, it says, little did I know something magical was going on at my house. Right. And which Gooby just gets like hit by like a wave of electricity. Magic lightning. Like magic lightning. See, the problem I have with the way that they have made Gooby, the muppet or whatever, not muppet.

I would say you're calling him a muppet. He's actually really offensive to the muppet people. He does look like a taller, much, much cheaper, more menacing, Fawzi the Bear. Yes. He looks like the characters that hang out on Hollywood and Highland. Like, if you were dressing like Fawzi, this is like the $70 version of that costume.

Yeah, like some sort of public domain muppet. That's what's so upsetting about the way he looks, because he's adult-sized. Yes. He's the size of an average man. Yeah. And so when I'm looking at him, and he's a little bit wider, but he's essentially like, if you just saw a figure go by,

you'd be like, that's an adult man. But he has a scarf on and no other clothes. Yeah, uh-huh. And that's an image to me that I find deeply unsettling, because it's, when you're just wearing a scarf, I look at him and I think Gooby's naked. The Gooby's a naked man. Well, because he wears a scarf.

Running around. And I know he's an animal. Do you feel that with Donald Duck? No, I don't, but that's because of his size. And he's always, and he's always animated, too. Yes. There's something about an animal wearing no clothing, which is fine.

Which is totally fine. But an animal wearing a little clothing. So you know what, then this is a choice. Well, my issue, and this is aggressive. My issue? You know what? You are forcing this on me. I did not like it.

I didn't like this assless thread bear either. Like, his butt cheeks were thread bear. What did you notice there? Oh, whenever he's running all right. Hey, man. Stop checking out Gooby's ass. But I thought that was an odd choice for an anime, like a puppety character.

Whenever he ran around. I hope the director was like to the props department or whoever was making wardrobe or whatever was making that costume was just like, but you know, there's got to be some areas where there's been a lot of wear. You know, like the kid always holds it there. There's got to be a lot of wear. Like maybe the ass cheeks.

Like the ass cheeks are really weird. There's no weird place to get wear on that. That's true. I thought it was supposed to be like a bear's actual ass. Like, it wasn't that it, they were trying to make it look worn, but they were trying to replicate. The actual ass of bears? Yeah.

Well, by the way, oh yeah, go ahead. No, he just had the tag too. Oh, yes. Is that what that was? At first I thought it was just a bad costume thing where that's where the actor got in. Yeah. I didn't understand what that was.

But it was just like the blown up version of the tag. That's right. But cut off kind of like, or was it? Yeah, I couldn't tell. Now I will say that Gooby, wall of confusing character, I find this kid's parents to be really upsetting. Yeah. Because there's one point, and this is the moment that really

called out to me, like the kid is, he's covering for Gooby. There's noise upstairs. Right. And the parents are hearing the noise upstairs, and the kid tries to be like, oh, I'm getting sick to distract his parents. At which point, like when he's getting sick, his parents protect the Chinese food in such a way

it's like, oh, don't get it on our Chinese food. Yeah, don't barf on our food, gross kid. Like they don't want, like they're terrible parents, really bad parents. Well, you sort of find out what is going on with the dad later on when you realize like he grew up in a very, you know, poverty-stricken neighborhood, and his father was always working.

And so you kind of understand his drive. But the mom, I have more questions about, because she's also working. She was going back to work. What do you mean she was going back to work? Wasn't that part of the thing? She was going back to work full-time for the first time. Oh, I didn't hear a lot of this movie.

That's why they get Mary Poppins. That's why, inexplicably, there's a nanny that shows up in the middle of the movie with a Mary Poppins accent. And the nanny doesn't do anything. The nanny just sits in a chair. I thought she was going to be like the snoop who's trying to always, like, uncover Gooby. She's just doing laundry for days.

Yeah, she loves folding. Yeah, again, none of these characters work in tandem. Like, it could be interesting if the nanny was trying to get one up on Gooby, not the schoolteacher who's Eugene Levy, who's played his character's name, which is great, Nerdlinger, just in case you wanted to just set it out there for everyone.

They say Nerdlinger about 15 times before he's introduced. Well, he's an interesting character. So he's introduced as their regular teacher has gone off on maternity leave, so he comes in and he has written three books about a fish. Yeah, like children's books. Children's books. And none of the kids know the books or know of them.

And so he's very upset. He's very upset, yeah. And so his whole thing is like he wants to get famous. And I'm just trying to make the leap with the film. He wants to get famous, so in order to do that, he's going to reveal Gooby. I guess. He's going to take a picture of Gooby and be like,

hey, look, I proved there's a monster. There were two voiceovers that established that. One was the kid just said he wants to be famous. Right, it was all in ADR. You're right. It was not... And then he said something... Yeah, Eugene Levy says like,

not all of us can be famous or something like that. Like, he makes a subtle... It was also off-camera. It was like thrown in there. There were scenes where there were so many lines off-camera that people on-camera are just reacting to just because they simply did not have actors that day. Like, they would be running through the supermarket

and it would be just on the kid and Gooby and then somebody would be like, hey, you get out of here. And they'd be like, whoa. That's true. Gooby in the supermarket, that's when Gooby really makes his presence known because Gooby likes cookies, obviously. And also, just to show his parents not being interested at all,

they go, oh, you know, they go... That boy's name, I'm sorry. I forget the kid's name. Willie. They go like, oh, Willie's sick today. Oh, why is he sick? I don't know. I found 50 cookie wrappers.

But they don't seem to be even like, oh, he shouldn't be eating 50 cookies. They're just like, oh, whatever. And they're leaving him. So Gooby goes to get cookies at the supermarket. And that scene is way too... That's like the fun montage. You would think they're running around having fun,

but all they are doing is just running down, up and down aisles in the supermarket. And at one point, Gooby pulls him so violently that the boy is suspended in air like he's flying. His socket would come out as a socket. That was a weird choice that flying thing because that is the first time it's established Gooby has this strength or something or speed

that you never see utilized anywhere else. And he never... It doesn't come back. That's the other thing, too. Nothing comes back. Even at the end, when the boy is in peril, Gooby doesn't use that speed, doesn't use... All Gooby's able to do is dial a cell phone

when the kid is in peril. The kid... Do you think... That was... Gooby's really... Okay, I think what Gooby's purpose is, ultimately, because Willie also wanted to build some sort of a cart, right? A moon.

Like a spaceship kind of thing. Right. And he's got issues at school where there's a bully and he has to stand up to him, although he doesn't really. Gooby does. Gooby does. On Halloween, it makes him pee his pants. That was really upsetting to me.

That whole sequence, first of all... They shouldn't have done that. They shouldn't have done that. It's Halloween. They really shouldn't have done that. Shouldn't have done that. Now, this is a Canadian movie. I realized that midway through when I saw the Captain Crunch

was Captain Crunchy. Yeah, so... I didn't know anything about this going in. And then there were two kind of bombshells I saw when I googled it after that. It was made in Canada. And the thing that blew me away the most was that it was made in 2009.

Yes. I honestly thought this was made in, like, 1985. Yeah, it is. The way it looked. And because there's this issue where, like... There's this one scene, too, where it's a big plot point, but the guy... The dad has to go, at some point, leave the house

and he says to the mom, like, you have to stay here in case the police call. Implying that, like, cell phones don't exist. I wrote that down, too. And yet, Gooby has a cell phone because Gooby calls... Gooby uses the kid Willie's cell phone to call the dad. No.

10-year-old... How old is that kid? Yeah, like, he's, like, 10 or 11 years old. Yeah, he has a cell phone. But the mom doesn't. And the mom doesn't even object. Like, the son's missing it. He's like, I'm going.

I'm not saying where. Well, the weirdest thing about that scene, too, is that she's, like... She's very upset. And he's like, don't worry. Spoken to the police. They've assured me that they will call as soon as they know anything.

That was the best, yeah. Which is, like, he's not saying, don't worry, everything's going to be okay. Oh, yeah. He's just like, they've told me to call. And then he's like, I got to go out for a minute. And she's like, where are you going? And he does.

He goes, you stay here. He's, like, really emphatic about it. And that's when I wrote in my notes. I was like, their marriage is terrible. I want to... This is back to my question about Canada. And this is... I don't mean to be naive about this, but...

But you're from Canada, so you better know. Yeah. Well, I mean, something else about this movie, the budget was $6.5 million I saw. Yes. And Canadian films are funded, usually, if not entirely, a large percentage of them with taxpayer money.

Yeah. So this film was made with taxpayer money. Do you want to hear the status... So you were there in Canada in 2009 and paid for this. Yes, I did pay taxes there in 2009. So you're one of the backers of this movie. Yes.

You're a real conflict. We have an investor. You're a real conflict artist. Indirectly, yes, I invested in this movie. Because I didn't see your name enlisted in the producer. We don't get credits for it. We just support the art. You should arbitrate.

You've got to get a credit rating. That's probably why Eugene Levy is in this movie, because he's a Canadian citizen, right? Yes. So I imagine, like, but now here's... So he has, do you mean? Well, no, I think... So they make him.

They can call anybody back and be like, you got to do this. Wait, isn't it? Where you have to do... Like, you have to do some sort of art in... Oh, yeah. If you still share citizenship, you have to do some... Wait, what's the rule you're saying? I thought there was a rule that if you are still...

If you share citizenship, if you're still... That you have to do something in Canada in the arts of that. But I could be totally wrong. No, that's not wrong. That's so crazy. No, but can you imagine being, like, mandated to go back to this? Like, some sort of prison. Like, where are you going next month?

Oh, well, you know, I was born in Canada, so I still have Canadian citizenship, so I got to go up and I got to make a terrible kids movie. So you don't have to go back to Canada to make a TV show? No, but for you to get Canadian funding for a movie, it has to be... Like, the leads in the movie have to be Canadian. Okay.

So since you have a major role... Oh, in order to qualify for that money. Yes, so they'll try to get people... Yeah, so that's why it was definitely Canadian funding. Okay. Well, do you want to hear how much money it made? You said it cost 6.5, which you're right about. The opening weekend gross, and this isn't...

This was released in theaters? I guess, but listen to the opening weekend gross. $706. $706? That doesn't even seem possible to me. The lifetime gross is $3,234. Whoa! That doesn't seem right.

That's like Delgo numbers. Also, this is one of the higher-budget movies to come out of Canada in the past decade. $6 million is a lot of money. Yeah. That's a lot of money that I did not see in the movie. And it's written weird-directed and put... And it's written weird-directed and put...

Not on extras? Not on the suit? If you look it up, I mean, telefilm is the place that funds movies in Canada. I wonder what they did kick into this, because... Maybe we should investigate. Or it could have just been he invested his own money, but I don't...

Yeah, they have a writer-director, Coney Bear. His name is... Coney Bear 2012? Wilson Coney Bear. He's a writer, producer, creator. He also did Shining Time Station. $6.5 million. On this movie.

That is kind of fascinating. That is kind of fascinating. There are no extras. There are no extras in the movie, whatsoever, except for the students in the classroom scenes. Well, let me ask you this. This is the question that I had before about Canada. On Halloween, they make it like they go out

to go to the movies on Halloween. And that doesn't seem like... Is that a tradition? Yeah, is that a thing? Explain yourself. Yeah, that was weird. But did the movie take place in Canada? That, I mean, all I know is that in the supermarket,

Captain Crunch was... They never said the words Halloween, though. Do you remember? They kept on saying October 31st. Yes, that's true. Well, what does that mean? I don't know. I mean, it clearly was Halloween.

I mean, it's not called something different in Canada, is it? It's October 31st day. Here's a weird thing in that October 31st scene where he... So he goes up to the kid, the bully, the red-headed bully who's been harassing him, and Gooby... I could listen to you say the name Gooby for an hour.

Gooby? Gooby? It's like the goo. You're putting the goo in Gooby. Gooby actually does become a monster for a moment. At the movies. And scares the shit out of that kid, which makes him piss his pants.

Well, that was like... That's probably what the 6.5 went, because for that moment of CGI, where his face... Like, his Gooby is a... His mouth is not moving. Like, whenever he's eating, he's just shoving things to his face.

No, but Paul, that's what was really... That's honestly the biggest problem I have with this movie. It did move a little bit. His mouth did move a little bit. Guys, don't fight. Okay, but not enough so that it seemed like he was talking. But not so little that we're just buying into the fact that... It seemed like an air hole that had some give to it or something.

The ending, I had some real... I got real upset when the ending was, Gooby takes the kid, like, stand by me style, to like... You want to go see a dead body. Yeah, basically, you want to go see a dead body, but not a dead body. Back to the dad's old, where the dad grew up,

the apartment building his dad grew up in. They find the dad's apartment, fall through a hole in the floor. The dad comes to visit. The scene where the dad goes into his own secret room felt really uncomfortable. It felt really weird, didn't it? I did, in all honesty, think the dad's version of Gooby

was going to be there as well. Well, that wouldn't make sense. That would make sense. We all did. The idea would be that, because Gooby also takes the dad into that room, he's like, you know, when you're a child, unless I'm not doing the Scottish acts and I apologize,

but he's like, how dare you? How dare you rob us of it, we all know you do a perfect Scottish act. Well, I don't want to brag. I don't want to boast, but he's like, when you're a child, you forget things from your youth and you just forget about it.

I'm like, oh, this is so great. He's going to forget about Gooby. Gooby? No. It was just like his dad had pictures of trucks and stuff on the wall, and Gooby was not a part of it. Nor did the dad freak out when he saw Gooby.

No, no, he was like, I'm totally cool with this Gooby situation. It was like, oh, you're my kid's toy, but you're eight feet tall and you're talking there. And you're alive. Yeah, and you're alive. There was no reaction to it.

And again, maybe he's trying not to be rude. I hesitate to go back to something I talked about in Jack Frost, but Gooby eats and never shifts. He is full of stuffing. He cuts his arm and is full of stuffing. So come on, guys. There's no organs in there.

Well, first of all, you also talk about it, like you see normal people in movies shit. You never see Tom Cruise take a shit in a movie. Yeah. I do. I do. And almost everything he's in. I'm going to guess when Gooby's eating himself

in gummy bear form in that sequence in the movie. Yeah. That's everything too. Gooby has a knowledge of the world that is not as small. Oh, he knows what everything is. Yeah, he's never like, what is this? He's not ET in that.

I don't think that Gooby's masticating, by the way. I think it's just lying on top. He may have a smell, because the hot dog is lying on top of the cookies and stuff like that. Yeah. The thing is that that's what's weird about the movies. We don't know.

Did Gooby have other adventures with other kids before Willie? Oh, please. I'm sure Gooby's been terrorizing children for a while. But he must have been bought as a toy, new from a store, right? Yeah, that's what I think. So there's lots of him. I don't know.

Well, because I've heard he's like, Shucky. He's just one-way production. Like, you know how Shucky gets the spirit of a serial killer inside of a more killer? Like, Gooby is just a doll. He seems like that scarf, and I know that scarf upsets you,

but that scarf seems like they make gummy bears out of him. Like, he's so... No, no, no. That's not Gooby. That wasn't Gooby, though. He says it looks like him, but it's not. Okay, all right. That's what a clarifying scene that he wasn't a bear.

That's the significance of that, right? Because he was saying, that's me. Give me that candy. They made toys like... They made food like me. Got it. And the kid said,

that's you. Those are bears. So what if... That was a scene. In the movie. That was a shot that widened from the bear. There was a bunch of scenes. There was a bunch of scenes that I was like,

this is an interminably long scene for nothing to be happening. And by the way, the movie is only an hour and 30 minutes at the most. 95 minutes, yeah. It is a short movie that has a lot of long scenes. I'm also going to put out on the thing and just see what you guys react to.

I think that the kid Willy is an unreliable narrator because I don't believe anything that he's saying throughout the movie. All of his voiceover is like, and that's when the trouble started. Well, he did say, he goes, he did say the whole thing about the traffic jam. We were in traffic and everyone saw us in traffic.

It wasn't traffic, it was a stoplight with three cars at it. And then he also was able to recognize as he was flying past in this flying go-kart that his teacher was in one of those cars, but I don't understand how he knew that either. And who was he telling the story to? Who is he telling the story to?

No, probably to his therapist. Probably to his therapist. Years later. Probably to his therapist. I mean, I would love that if it was to the therapist. The thing when I was like, I really believed for a good portion of the movie that the reveal was going to be

that his hallucinations were causing the gooby doll to come to life much like Calvin and Hobbes. And then when an adult is in the room, Hobbes is just a stuffed tiger. And when he's not in the room, he's like Calvin's buddy and partner in crime. Like when they're on the go-kart, reminded me of Calvin and Hobbes sledding, right?

But then, so, and I was like, okay, I'm almost willing to buy that the kid who has hallucinations and all this stuff is in a tough time is his imaginary friend. Like, what's the imaginary friend movie? Russell Brand was going to remake it. Drop Dead Fred. Oh yeah.

Drop Dead Fred. Russell Brand was going to remake Drop Dead Fred. Oh my gosh. I love that movie. Like that kind of imaginary friend movie. But there was a way in which when everybody saw Gooby and Gooby brings everybody together or whatever, that I genuinely was like,

I have no fucking clue what's now happening. No. Because now anything is possible. Like this is a weird magic universe that backs up the kid being like having hallucinations and stuff. Like that all worked out in favor for him. I'm worried for this kid basically. Guys, I'm worried for Willie.

I'm very upset by this whole. He should be. Strangely, I thought the weirdest part of the movie was the Eugene Levy storyline. Yes. Which I know you were talking about before June a little bit, but that is entirely motivated by him saying in one line really quickly,

anyone who takes a photo of Gooby will be famous. Yeah. He says that. And that motivates his whole obsession. And it's not even like the town. Then and his love for Canada. That was mandated. He was mandated to do the movie.

It's a slavery. But that is interesting because also, the town is not being afflicted by Goobies. It's not like people are like, oh, thank God you found this picture. If he was, again, I'll go back and say, if he was to hand that picture to someone, someone would go, yeah, that's a guy in a...

I guess, yes, Paul, but the bigger question to me about his character is... Where is E.T. with something different? Well, he set out, he wrote these three books. He is a teacher. He's in the world of children and probably children's literature. Clearly unsuccessful.

Unsatisfied. But it's interesting that he would, he wrote three books that I guess didn't do very well. But it seems like that is sort of in the world of things that he wants to do. Well, he hates Alice Carroll. He was really shitting on... Yes, but like,

it's lined up to his profession in a way. And so it's such a huge character leap to just believe that this guy who... that he was writing those books from the get-go just to be famous. Just to be famous, yeah. That's crazy. That's really crazy.

So he wants to be taught like Alice in Wonderland. I don't even know if that's... I don't even know if that's important to him or if he just wants to be a famous children's book author. Yes. But then he's still... You know, like those kind of books. That we all know.

That he's so willing to abort that dream. Wouldn't it be more interesting if you were a teacher to be like, oh my gosh, I'm inspired to write a book about Gooby. Yeah, that's interesting. And that becomes like the new book. Here's what's weird. One of the things that's weird is when on Halloween it begins, I think,

but then it recurs a little bit is Gooby, when in public, will frequently pose as Willy's father. And they will hold hands. I didn't like that one bit. I didn't like that one bit. Well, he even says... Gooby says the most upsetting thing.

I'm this boy's father. I didn't like it. And they hold hands a whole lot. A number of times. Well, and this is the weirdest thing. So the cool kids from school actually did think that one actor who played like the super popular boy was great.

Yeah, real talent. So Willy gets in with the cool kids because Gooby posing as his dad got him into the movie. Gooby. Gooby gets into an R rated movie. Maybe I'm forgetting what it's like to take care of. Eleven year olds should not be like a saw type movie or something. Right.

Maybe I'm forgetting what it's like to be a kid, but it also seems like a jump that just because one of your parents is cool, you would be deemed also cool. Well, I was super cool because my dad was cool. No, that's lunatic. That's a crazy thing. Well, it seems like they would want to hang out with Gooby.

Right. I didn't like at the end of that scene, though, when after the kids are like... When the kids think he's really cool and they say, maybe you can join us and play soccer at school tomorrow. He's in now with the cool kids. The most polite inclusion into their group. Then Gooby says, I like being your dad.

I didn't like that part at all. And then later, he says, later, I'm pretty sure I imagined him saying, who's your daddy now? What were your favorite parts? That's a great question. Okay. There was a line...

Well, this is not really my favorite part, but there was a line that I loved, which the dad said in the beginning about why they were moving, like what had happened in their lives, where he said, you know, change happens all the time. He goes, you remember when Joey's dad and I even started this business,

that was a big change. That was one of my favorite parts, because we've never... I don't know who Joey is. We've never even met Joey. I don't know what this man does. It was just so absurd. But favorite sincere parts of the movie.

I did enjoy some of the shots from behind of Gooby running, because I know Paul and I spent a lot of time on Gooby's ass, but his ass was so wide. You like that? It was just satisfying to watch. I agree. Those are the moments where you're more thinking about the man in the costume,

and how he's able to run. There was some joy to it. Well, the guy in the costume is working hard. I feel like he's really physical, and eating those hot dogs. Those are my favorite parts. I feel like if people don't want to watch the movie, but they're interested in seeing some taste of it,

I would say if you just watched the supermarket scene, I don't think you need real context for it. That might be the most interesting part of the movie. I would watch the first reveal of Gooby in the backyard with the rake. I would watch the supermarket scene, and then I would watch from when it really falls through the floor to the end. That's probably max 15 minutes of watching, and you're going to get some pretty rad stuff.

I just want to... Just because I feel like we haven't heard enough Gooby, can we just hear Gooby talking about what his name sounds like in the markers here? Just take a listen to this clip. I don't remember this. Gooby! It sounds like snot. Snot?

What sounds like snot? My name! You were young, so I can't complain, but I always thought you sounded like great big gobs of snot. Woohoo! I did! He loves markers. I love markers!

Gooby, I don't think you should be here. I very much think I should. Markers are about the best thing in the world. Next, of course, to those window cookies. So that's kind of character, that lovable character. That's like in this movie. They were like, yep, we got it. That scene cut together well.

Well, not to reveal the ending, but I don't want to end our conversation, but I do want to just talk about the ending about another thing. At the end of the movie, obviously, the dad sees the error of his ways and decides that he needs to be a better dad, so he quits his job to build a tree house, which seems a little bit reactionary.

Which I, and by the way, I thought he was going to, I thought he didn't quit his job, by the way. He went on sabbatical. He went on sabbatical. To build a tree house. And the man named Raleigh became a partner. Apparently. Raleigh.

Maybe Joey's dad? I'm sorry, Raleigh. It does seem like there are a couple of movies going on, and we're just checking parts of it. I think there were a lot of scenes cut. In the beginning, I think they added that voiceover later on. I think there was a lot of just scenes lifted. Well, this was supposed to be a trilogy.

This was supposed to be like a... By the way, they definitely leave it to that, because this is what I'm getting to at the end. Everything's fine in Willie's household. The dad and him are going to build a tree house. Dad's on sabbatical. Raleigh's taking over. And the kid and Gooby are talking as they're leaving Home Depot.

At which point, and Eugene Levy has been foiled. At which point, Gooby just kind of walks off frame. And we're like, oh, where's Gooby? And we see him creepily staring down a young disillusioned girl who is also in the parking lot. Just also kind of... It doesn't seem like she's being totally neglected by her parents. It just seems like she's in her head.

She's staring at something. And he's like, I... I likey. I like her. I like her. I want you to help me put her with her. Which is super creepy. So at which point, another thing that we've never seen happen,

or referred to, Gooby shrinks down into inanimate stuffed animal form. And then Willie brings it over to the girl. Let me saddle you with a nightmare for the rest of your life. By the way, it would have been useful for him to do that many different parts in the movie. But he has to shrink down and become a doll. Sure, that's a great thing.

But I think... This is what I think. I think he has to remain as Gooby. Oh, God. I think he has to remain as Gooby until his task is completed and then he can, like, move on. I think that's what it was. Wait, wait.

You wait. So you think that Gooby is only activated by longing of a child? No. I think you're on something. I think what the movie is actually really about is you're supposed to think the whole time for the kid. Right.

And then you realize the very end, he's really there for their parents. He's really there to reunite the kid and the parents, basically. Okay. But the problem with that is that in the scene with the little girl, they're just focused on the little girl. Like, they don't. Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's... But now he can pass on Gooby. Gooby will pay attention to you when your parents won't? I think so. Or when your parents are not paying attention to you? I think that's the idea. I think that's the idea.

I would also say a little bit of the idea is, like, Gooby will also help you with facing your fears. No, because Gooby was equally afraid. I don't... Because basically the parents go, yeah, he's not afraid of those who needs any more since we moved to this house. I don't know.

The logic of this movie is flawed. Yeah, it's really hard. Because Gooby just makes the kid piss himself. Well, Gooby does say... Gooby does say... Gooby, when he brings Willy to the apartment building, his dad's apartment building, he says, I think I know why I'm here now.

I think I'm supposed to bring you here. You know, he thinks... He recognizes... So he has changed that whole thing. He recognizes that... I felt like that he has been brought to life in order to achieve a purpose or a task. But Jason...

Jason, earlier on, when Gooby's in the attic and they're looking through all that stuff and they find that photograph... Right. ...of the dad outside this, like, shack, the kid starts to look at it and Gooby goes, no, no, no, no, not now. Oh, interesting.

Did anybody else think that also the new house was not that much nicer than the old house? It was a little bigger. It was a precious little... It had that big york. What was the reason they moved again? Because they're making bank now. Is that why?

Yeah, since the dad went out on his own. Holy cow. Well, they're not on his own since he partnered with Joey's dad. Oh, yeah, yeah. The... as a construction company that Gooby winds up at one day. Oh, yeah.

Just keep in mind, this is a giant monster. This is the craziest thing about the movie. There's so many ways to get him there and the way that they get him there is that something happens at school where... Well, this is... I want to talk about the... So, they show us a scene of the kids playing soccer.

After October 31st. After October 31st. There's probably November 1st. And... Happy October 31st. Ooh, scary. October 31st. Well, everyone knows that Halloween is a copyrighted game.

You can't say it without paying a lot of money to Halloween. So, it's like the birthday song. So, the soccer ball is coming down, at which point Willie runs to push Colin, the cool kid that June really likes, and he's like, watch out! And he pushes Colin out of the way and it looks to be like he's going to take a soccer ball

on the head. Yeah. And that somehow seriously injured him so much. No, it didn't. Who did it injure? Colin. So, I thought that was a miscommunication. So, Colin just got injured from falling down

because Willie pushed him? I don't know what actually happened. What I do know is this. A message was left on Willie's household answering machine. I know this, yeah. Where they said there's been an accident. Like a head injury. A head injury.

So, of course, Gooby assumes that it's... Well, this is the crazy logic to get Gooby to the construction site, but Gooby assumes it's Willie. So, are you telling me that the school called up Willie's house to say, another kid in your school got injured today? That's crazy. Yes, because yes,

because Willie says later on, I had to go to the nurse's office with him. To be fair, Nathan, does that happen in Canada? Yeah. Where the school notifies all parents. When one kid gets hurt. That's very... It's like three-person classes.

I thought it was Willie that got, and I didn't get that either. No, because... But I was really loosely... Did you guys watch it together? Yeah, we did. We watched it together, yes. Yeah, and you watched it alone?

I just watched it alone. Like a very sad man in his 40s who purchased this movie. I don't know if it's more fun, or like you guys are discussing it, but it's an infuriating experience to have to watch that. It's depressing.

I'm talking about it with some amount of joy, but believe you me, I was very angry. We do a lot of movies on this show, some of which are a delight to watch. I know you guys have to do this, yeah. This felt like punishment. This was retribution of some kind. I will say this,

I just found out something interesting. It was produced by John Calvert, who I just Googled, and he is a famous magician. So I don't know what that means either, but that's a very odd partner to be the, he is an American magician. So that's who produced this movie,

and a weird older magician. June, talk to me about the construction site, because I didn't want to cut you off about how he gets there. Well, no, so there's a message that's left on the home phone of Willie, and saying that there's been an injury, and Willie's, I think, in the nurse's office. So the dad happens to be at home,

and runs out to the car. So of course, Gooby thinks he's going to school. You're not just full on saying Goopy. Goopy thinks that he's going to school to be with his son. So to Gooby's surprise, they head to the construction site. And so I think this is all supposed to further our idea of like this dad really doesn't give a fuck about his son.

But then what we'll find out later is that his son was never hurt. Correct. Colin was. Because Gooby says, how's your head? Right, but did the dad know that? Or did the dad knowingly neglect his son? Yes, I don't know. I mean, I think probably he doesn't. A little bit of both.

But I think probably not full on neglect. But they are neglecting him. They're passively neglecting him, but I think if true trauma had occurred, I feel like they would have jumped into action. Why do you think they didn't have any other kids? Oh, because I think he got a vasectomy. I think he got a vasectomy.

But I think, you know what I think? I think he cheats. I think he's fucking, I think he's a real cheat. Yeah, there was something about his newfound love of like money. I felt like his reveal was going to be that he wasn't going to work all the time. He was like boning somebody else. And then because right because he's like doesn't come home

for the kids on Halloween. He cancels the family vacation. Yeah. Guys, I'm really good. Were you guys worried as soon to be parents? Was this like a real wake up call for you in terms of parenting style? It was a cautionary tale.

It's like if Gooby shows up at some point, we know we have not done a good job. Well, look, we also learned something very important that boys don't need things. They need parents. I'll tell you this, I just was looking. You better fucking build a fort or a tree house with your son or they're going to spend the rest of their life.

By the way, can I just say one thing? No, Willy was not the one that wanted the fort. Yes, he did. So both Willy and his dad both wanted forts? They both wanted forts that both of their fathers did not give them. Specific. Yeah, it was like that's exactly what it was. It's a fort gene.

I say. Willy's was supposed to be like a space fort or something. Right, he had a very big space gene. He also said forts are in trees, right? Yes. And that's not true, right? No. Yeah, because we made forts anywhere.

You can make forts anywhere. Yeah, forts. Tree houses are in trees, but I assumed in Canada that was. Do you guys, I looked on IMDb, like the ratings on IMDb, to see who liked this movie the most. And I will tell you the number one, the highest rating are females 30 to 44 and males 45 plus.

Those are the two, those are the two demos that it spiked in. Wow. Which is very interesting. Now, obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are other people who thought better. Now it is time for a second opinion. Second opinions. From top to bottom, crazy movies are fun.

They're not your first, but they're gonna be a second. From the tips of Amazon they come. Second opinions for everyone. Second opinions. All right. So these are five star reviews called from Amazon. Here we go. This is from a cool dude.

There weren't many five star reviews for a movie that made $3,000. So here we go. This is the first time I ordered from amazon.com, received the item as described in the mail very quickly. DVD was reasonably priced. I'll be making more purchases. Five stars for a gooby. That's not really, so the delivery service of Amazon

should be getting the five stars, really. And then this one is by B. Reed from Tulsa, Oklahoma. I rented this off of on demand from my cable provider for my three-year-old son. Although I did not enjoy it that much, he loved it and has begged me to watch it over and over again. So six months later and after repeatedly renting it from my cable provider, I'm breaking down to buy it for him

because he won't stop begging to watch it. Five stars. Five stars for a three-year-old. For a three-year-old who mom hates it. But I would say too, it's not like the look of gooby, I found it to be terrifying. It's not a, I can't imagine that kids, well from behind, as I said before, I did enjoy them.

You're obsessed with gooby's monster butt. It's so weird. Well the proportion of the head to the body too. Because on the original doll, it's a big head and a small body. And then on that reel, when he gets big, it's a big body and a tiny head. I want to just play this one clip. This is the end narration of the boy saying goodbye to gooby.

And I found this to be amazing. Coupled with the song, the gooby song at the end too, which we haven't talked about, but here's the end narration, take a listen. The final and most important rule of having a big fuzzy-wunch monster, realizing what you've made behind me. What I mean is, gooby may have gone on, but he left me with all sorts of stuff.

Like how to build a space car, the best way to go grocery shopping, and how to defeat the hoonies. None of these things happen. How to be a friend. Oh, and he gave me something else as well. He gave me back my dad. Maybe because of that, he realized that when it comes to family,

where we belong is in a place to with each other. Oh, shit. That, by the way, that sounds like the end of a movie. He did not help with the hoonies. Nope. He did not help them to go supermarket shopping the right way. The way of going supermarket shopping was just eating everything in the aisles. Stealing.

He didn't do any of that stuff. I think we've already covered this, but would you recommend this movie? I really would not. I really would not. This was upsetting. I don't want to put you in jeopardy with Canada at all, Nathan. Well, I'm wondering, I mean, the director hasn't, I'm sure he's going to listen to this.

Right? Like I'm sure he's... You think he's got a Google alert for Gooby? Yeah, I just looked at IMDb. I don't think he's worked since the movie, but he's been in the Canadian TV industry since 1981. He created a show called Majority Rules in 2009, the same year as Gooby, but it looks like that show is canceled.

Monster Warriors. I wouldn't put all of this on the director. I mean, I think there's... He wrote it, too. He produced it with a magician. Here's a very real reality. And this is for the sake of our audience. If we, through very little action, the audience of how did this get made

through renting this on, what was it, Amazon? Amazon or iTunes. It's on iTunes. Or iTunes. We could match the... We could double it. We could match the amount of money this made in theaters through rentals very easily. Yeah.

We could double the amount of money this movie has made. And I will challenge our audience now. Just to give it back to the people of Canada. Just to give it back to those people and to show that this director, writer-director, deserves another shot, maybe a Gooby-2. I love a Gooby-2. Gooby-Gooby-2. Where are you?

That one's a good idea. You don't? That's a good idea. What if... Only 11,000 people need to rent this on iTunes to double the gross. Only 11,000. Now we get plenty of those people. So fucking step up, everybody.

And I guess there's no way to track this. So maybe on Facebook, we can put up a little thing or on Twitter, we can make a hashtag that's like, I rent a Gooby. Yeah. I rent a Gooby. Now that's the thing. If some of you buy Gooby, it's even fewer people because that's like $9.99. Exactly.

I'm not upset that I saw Gooby, you know, that I watched it. That's very ringing endorsement. I'm going to have a conversation about it. There's a poll quote right there for the DVD. I am not upset that I saw Gooby. If I wasn't doing this, I would be upset that I watched it. We should point out, by the way, that the dad is, this is a start. I realize why older women like this, the dad is the star of JAG.

That's one of my grandma's favorite TV shows. So I would imagine if for you, JAG fanatics out there. For you, JAG heads. Or they call it the JAG offs. Well, that was an experience. I was glad to share it with all of you. To take you guys out, a very special Gooby theme song. This plays over the end credits.

Gooby does a song and dance in front of Eugene Levy in a junkyard that has not been established. And it is a big song and dance number, which you don't often see in a movie like this. It's kind of akin to Kangaroo Jack at the end. Kangaroo Jack also performs and does impressions of Austin Powers. Really? Oh, yeah. Kangaroo Jack is amazing because you would think that Kangaroo Jack is about talking kangaroo.

Yeah. He does not talk in the movie. He only talks at the end in the credits. No. Yeah. So that's that. Here is the Gooby theme. It's almost like I'm playing lost and found with you.

When you're not with me, I've got a little problem, I tend to disappear. I'm so full of doubts. And a big thanks to everyone who makes this show possible. Our engineer, Sam, the clip puller, Averill Halley. Also, Nate Kiley does all of our researching. And Leanna Waldron, who just kills it on all of the graphic designs. And of course, Katie Dyer, who does all of our social media. Thank you guys.

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