How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Jack Frost LIVE! (w/ Dan Harmon)

Episode Date: December 4, 2023

Break out your magic harmonica, because Dan Harmon joins Paul, June, and Jason to discuss the Michael Keaton classic, Jack Frost. They discuss the George Clooney connection to the film and ponder if Jim Henson would have let this nightmare come to life. And remember, Snow Dad is better than no dad.  For more Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerGo to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more! Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

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Cheers. Cheers. Go fuck yourselves. Cheers. And June Diane Rayfield. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

Cheers. Cheers. You want to say anything from the crowd? Good evening, Paul. Nice to see you, June. And a very special guest tonight. Please welcome Dan Harmon. Oh!

Hello. Oh, well. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas and be. May you all have snow deaths. Um, this movie, for more, like, I didn't know about this movie. I knew about this movie, but I didn't know how dark it is. It's a dark movie.

This is an intense movie. Well, the premise is identical to a horror movie. There's no reason why it shouldn't be a horror movie. And all the characters in the movie are reacting. He spends the entire movie not contacting his wife who is there at the end of the movie. Well, you can tell me where the outfits are off because we need to talk about this in a global sense.

Yeah. But he spends the whole movie going, I can't. I can't look or talk to anybody. I'm a monster. I'm a monster. Yeah't look or talk to anybody. I'm a monster. Yeah, I'm a monster. Yeah, you can't see me, I'm a mullible. But he spends like a full week back on Earth and does not talk to his wife at all

until the very end when he's like, see you later. By the way, God exists. I believe so. You're doing like irrefutable proof. Get on CNN. You'll come back as a snowman. But I felt like he didn't even accept the fact that he was dead. But when it comes back, the kids in the ET

know better to hide the weird thing than the people in this movie. He is a sentient snowman who participates in every aspect of life. He walks around town, he goes to a hockey game. He's a fucking snowman. But here's the thing, you would think that a movie like this would have some sort of like, like magic thing is like, only he can see him or no one else can see him talk.

No, everyone can see him. He can move around, he can see him or no one else can see him talk no everyone can see him he can move around everyone can hear him and I would also argue because I remember this in the trailer the way it becomes a snowman he's there's a harmonica that he hands to a son when he's still in the land of the living and what he says is if you play this I will hear it it. So to me, though, that doesn't imply, here's where the magic is. Here's the story and the lore of how this magic's going to come about. The movie spends, how many minutes, 40 of them?

A thousand? 40 of them. 40. This is pushing the angly Hulk like threshold. Right. It's like, there is no fucking snowly Hulk like threshold. Right, it's like there is no fucking snowman for 40 minutes. Yeah. Ostensibly so that they can do everything they can

to make you believe that Michael Keaton can be a snowman. Guess what? I still don't believe it. Yep. That's OK. I came to a movie about a talking snowman. A book with a snowman. I don't, it's fun. That trailer just says he got about a talking film. A mobile snowman. It's fine. The trailer just says he got the car accident and he's a snowman.

You might as well spend one minute on that. That's right. 40 doesn't make a death. I don't see that much Eric Banna either. I get it. Can I tell, did you feel like the whole first 40 minutes was just trying to show you like, he's a good dad. He's a good dad.

He's a good dad. his son's a good kid, everyone's good at everything. You might say there's no movie, there's no conflict. Well, his kid's good at, his kid beats the shit out of the bully, his kid's got straight A's, he's a good musician, he has a wife one third is that. Dan, you just said he's a good musician. He is!

And on the, according to the movies, sir, on that I must respectfully say no way. Let's, can you play a clip? Yes, play the opening of the movie. Play the opening scene here. The return of Bruno for joke. Two. I, was this movie written for Bruce Willis?

That would have been fucking amazing. I must have been. I will tell you what I must have been. I was going to save this for later. The movie was actually written and the puppet was designed for George Clooney. So Jack Frost looks like George Clooney. But George Clooney went off to do Batman and Robin.

And then like a beaten came in and filled in. So George Clooney went to Batman and Keaton went to this? Yes. Whoa. Crazy. Freaky Friday. Chris Cross. Chris Cross. I'm doing a drink. I'm parents. I'm spent 90 minutes doing it. Chris Cross. Chris Cross.

I'm being trained. I'm both like I'm spent 90 minutes doing ice puns. So they were... Yeah! The crazy thing was that apparently the Jim Henson workshop who made the puppet were furious because they had made this puppet already. Like, ah!

It doesn't look like it. I think they fixed the light brown. But wait, it doesn't look like George Clooney. I'm sorry. Well, tell that to the gentle people. My boner says differently. All right, so back to me. Here he goes.

Here, the question at hand is, is he a good singer? You be the judge. The movie says yes. No, I just want to say, that's sweet little fat. You be the judge All that's up, and I just love the wet and beautiful form of music. Oh, it's a good thing. It's a good thing to put you through a rock. You thought he was nowhere, he was a tear-to-earth. He was made of ice and snow and till it came to me. Till it came to me.

This is our year of... A long day! The Gensus Is I Know That's his Frosty The No Man Remix. So, Dweezel's apple, who's in the audience of that, and is apparently an A&R guy for some Mercury records, or something, cause somebody and is like, hey, you got all this on this. But he pulls it back to the future, and then it goes, my, it's your cousin, Marvin Berry.

But what he says is, what he says is, it's the Jack Frost Band. They're kicking it, they're loving it. You gotta sign them. Because they're playing Frosty the Snowman. Which made me their only the Snowman. Yeah. Which made me their only song, bro. Yeah, I guess that is my question, though.

Do they only play Winter theme song or Christmas song? Because his logo is Winter theme. Right, but it's very active in the Colorado. And in the world of the movie, nobody comments in the fact that his name is Jack Frost. Except for him, right? But there's that meta moment where he's in the belly of the movie nobody comments in the fact that his name is Jack Frost. Except for him, right? And there's that meta moment where he's in the belly of the whale, his Campbell would say.

And he's sort of shuffling down the street. And he has that little meta moment, which is like the writer's shame eruption. Where he's just walking, and he just this inner monologue where he goes, like, why did I become a snowman? Is it because my name's Jack Frost? That's stupid. He said something like,

what couldn't God be more creative? It was like, fuck you! God is creative! He made a world. You made a shitty movie within that world. Don't, don't, in your shitty shitty movie like, like, blaspheme. God made flamingos and toast and stuff. Like, you made this movie. Flamingos and toast.

Yeah. Well, I was like, those are the top of your list that God made. I didn't, I didn't tell you much Hudson ice cream for me. I didn't tell Junaim. I didn't tell Junaim. I didn't tell Junaim. I didn't tell Junaim. I didn't tell Junaim. I didn't tell Junaim. I didn't tell Junaim.

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I had never seen any bar thing for the movie. I did not know anything about this film. It's horrific. It's a horror drama. When it happened, and I think you know what I'm talking about, when it happened. When a thing that happened. When it happened when something bad happened when he died when he turned when he turned into a talking snowman I screamed I said no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no You didn't know that that was the best part of watching it with her and she did not have what this movie was going to be.

So what did you think during the first 40 minutes? What did you think was going to happen? The first 40 minutes of the movie. I thought this is a great movie. I mean, join. I don't know what I'm going to say. I mean join. I don't know what I'm going to say.

I don't know what I'm going to say. You got to wait because I had a dollar of June ago, but later on in the movie, do you wear an emotional roller coaster? No, I'm still, I'm hungover from this movie because I thought the scenes between Michael Keaton and Kelly Preston were, I thought they had great chemistry and they invested in their relationship.

I think actually this is a beautiful story. I know the sun's having a hard time with his dad's commitment to his career, but he's showing him that he's passionate about his art. And I'm very curious to see how this can happen. Can I ask you a question? At what point did you realize Michael Keaton is going to die? I realized I knew once that he gave him the harmonica

that we were in for something. Yeah. And I knew it was trouble and I was worried about him. Yeah. You thought it might have been like beyond the pines, like it was gonna at some point advance 20 years and his son would be playing House of Boys. I can't play a G-Sharp. What I couldn't have imagined in my wildest dreams

was that he was going to become a snowman. That was something that didn't occur to me. The tone, the tone of the movie in the first 40 minutes is completely different than the rest of the movie. It's a different... Well, but it's also a weird thing because they spend like the first 20 minutes going, he's a great dad, it's a great family, everything's great. And the second 20 minutes is like, he's so career focused, he's never there,

he's a terrible dad, his wife has mad at him, his kid ate some. Like it's weird, it's like, everything they just said, I'm then hit him, he'd wash away really quickly. What if credits had rolled? I'm like, it didn't feel like any of these.

I kept saying, after every scene for the first 40 minutes, I kept saying to my girlfriend, I was like, and credit slip, because it just, wow, that took care of itself. I guess he finally confronted that bully about that snowball fight. And in this snowball fight, the movie opens with this scene where his son is in a snowball war fight.

Well, over every hill is a 100 kid snowball fight in this town. Everywhere you go, you can walk 10 feet, rest a small hill, and below you will be a battle field. Like a saving, private, Ryan battle field. And these kids didn't seem like they really wanted to be playing. No, no, hate it, everyone hated snowball fights. Yeah, it was like they had been drafted. Yeah, by some of them. They had to be drafted good. No, no hated, everyone hated snowball playing. Yeah, it was like, they had been drafted. Yeah, by some mercy drafted.

Make that movie. Who's- Look, see that movie. Where is snowball yet? No, where's called? What Haliburton is proffinating? Is there some snow company that- Well, like, remember when the little girl's like,

Andrew stuck out there. He stuck out there. Stuck in a foxhole, getting just hammered. And how does our hero get him? He sends the other kids as you create a diversion. How? Get hit with snowballs, which, by the way, don't hurt. Yeah.

But just what movie has hit me? Movie cannot get its feelings about snowball. Yeah. Like, damn. It really does make sense. Is it fun to throw them or do you hate throwing them? Well, also, the one to get hit by them or One of the weirdest scenes in the movie is Michael Keaton is so unaware that

Freak that he's a snowman doesn't really understand these died Doesn't really address it but then like when he sees his bull he's like Oh, you messed the snow don't mess with me And then it's like I got sweat mills I was actually an angelian snowball. Somehow nobody else sees it. Well, he's over the crest of a hill.

Nobody sees it, and nobody also sees him snowboarding on half of a toboggan. Because apparently the entire scene took place at the top of Veil. They live at the peak of Big Bear. Yes, I did think there were scenes missing where he so immediately knew how to be a snowman. He so immediately knew how to be a great snowman. But he didn't know how to hop two feet to the left when he ran out of ammo as he put it.

Yes, he did that. He surrounded by snow. And then you saw dirt down there. And there was like, they bothered to put snow everywhere. And he's like, I'm outta ammo, Charlie Boy. We got a snowboard now. But June, are you saying you would have liked an acclimating to be in a snowman training montage?

I thought I would have been funny. I thought I would have been funny. John Legg was an asshole like being like kind of a dirty yellow snowman. You're gonna figure out how to do that. kind of a dirty, yellow snowman like. You think you figure out how to feed. You know what, you're a snowman, right? Because you didn't take care of your kid.

Now you got to feel the cold. I'll tell you who I'm, you're hot. Dirty and yellow. Losing an evil dark mentor to him. I was like, I'm what you could become, your dog piss. I would have loved another sentient snowman. He needed it. Well, that's what it needed, a fucking leprechaun,

Loch Ness Monster, anything. You can't have it, you can't. The magic is inconsistent and weird, because it's like, there's no rhyme or reason why he's there. There's no rhyme or reason why he leaves. It doesn't, it doesn't. That's what I think. He just finds. He decides. He decides to leave, it doesn't. Well, as I say, he decides.

He decides, he decides. He decides to leave. The wife is coming and he's like, I'm fucking out of here. It's, I'm not gonna hang up. It's Christmas night and the kid even says, it's gonna be cold for a long time. Here's what I would cause.

They live in Colorado. I don't, Jason. Here's what I would cause it. I think that, I think the reason why he can't bear to see his wife is because he doesn't want her to see him as a snowman. I think that, I think it's a lot of stuff. Well, because he does do that thing where he looks down and he sees he doesn't have a dick

and he's like, oh, but I thought it's clearly going to be all that, not two three. It's less about, I don't want to connect with her and more about, I'm a snowman. Yeah. So I didn't stop him from finding closure with his son. Right, but snowman, and there, he was created by his son. I think there's a deleted scene where they get to the cabin and he's like, she's fucking the fat keyboardist, right? Yeah, she had to be.

Oh, that was... Like, that guy really moves in as a fucking judder's speaker. It's structure. Real helpful. This is a Christmas light salesman. It's like the guy in Holland, dude. It's weird because structure. Real helpful. Christmas lights salesmen. It's like the guy in Homeland here. Because there's something built in where you think,

of course, we're just counting down to him melting. Like, it's only a matter of time. But that's not really what happened. Well, it's a matter of many, many months, not a week, which it is in the movie. Well, it's not seasonably warm that week. But if they go to the cabin, they could stay at the cabin forever, though.

Or put him in a freezer. And I said, the genie go, would you like to live your life in a freezer? And you said, I said, yes, I would, if it meant I could be alive. With Paul, like you wouldn't hide in a spice closet while he was checking his junk mail. I don't want to see me like this. Well, you're in a closet behind him. I'm insane. Again, you'll see like, you know, in your mind's Well, you're like a classic behind him. I'm insane. Again, you'll see, like, you know,

in your mind's life, you're listening to this picture a room where there's a door and a spice closet. All you have to do is go out the door, and he hid in a spice closet, and then go out the door in a second. Like, he's like, ah! No reason. Oh, so what's a spice closet?

Where you keep on your spices? Maybe. Maybe a drawer. Maybe. What's a spice class? Where you keep all your spices? Maybe! Maybe a drawer. Maybe. How many spices? How much cumin? It's Colorado. How much paprika?

To dictate a closet's worth. Don't go in there. We don't go in there. I got a whole lot of spices in there. These are just two things that... Saferra and up the wazoo in there. I'm running out of spices, I know, guys. Two weird things on the set design front. A, it was clearly shot on a sound stage,

all the house stuff. That's so weird that a giant... Well, that's like a Jerry Lewis movie, like in his daily day. Like, I kept thinking this is a stage. It was a lie. Yeah, it's like the front I've never seen the front of houses on there's Michael Keaton like I'm not I'm not shooting outside I can't do it yeah of course of course and they had to like Truman show him and there was no way we're gonna do a couple scenes of this movie yeah and he was giving it is all I

thought he was great I love again I love the first 40 minutes of the movie we Michael Keaton was only on set for three weeks of this movie. Yeah. And that's when the puppet took over for the rest. He never saw the puppet. The colors in the house, the paint colors, and the couch color, I found so upsetting. They were...

Well, they matched his hair. Like, I think, Michael Keaton was rocking a weird color Yeah, and how about that sleeveless t-shirt he wears to bed That's that's when I was like that's legit that in the harmonica when I was was when I was like I bet Bruce Willis was supposed to be in the I would have been amazed I've started kicking at kick pass that Because the hat and the harmonica. Did you also feel that?

Solidly in the Bruce Willis wheelhouse. Didn't you feel that as a snowman, he had a completely different personality than who he was? Yeah, George Clooney's personality. The story of this movie is very strange because you would think that the child was having a lot of trouble and the father Abandoned him through no fault of his own he got into a terrible accident at a time when this kid really needed him That's not the story of the movie the kids doing just fine

It's the story of the journey from quit hockey. He's like having no that's not there's that die Oh, yeah, that's fine. He's like, have you got that? He's got that. That dies. Oh, yeah, that dies. That's what it's for. Before his dad dies. Yeah, he made hit the story is one snowman's journey from bad father to bad husband, right? Pretty fun. He acquires the power to become a shitty husband.

Because she, at the end, she comes over the hill and he's like, fuck off! Fuck off! Why did he, he was required closure? I mean, I would feel like if he'd cook them back, he would want something. The only thing he says to her is, you look great. That's it.

And then he turns back into himself for a second. And for some I love yous. And then, he's out of it. But tell him, that was a loveless marriage. And she was a trophy wife. And he was obsessed with his own cock. And that you're right. That's why he was a sexualveless marriage, and she was a trophy wife, and he was obsessed with his own cock, and that you're right. That's why he was a sexual midlife crisis, like white male who like-

Well, he's driving a Cadillac in the middle of this Colorado in the winter. The hubris is what kills him. Yeah, guess what? I don't need snow tires. I'll drive across the mountain pass in a fucking 1967 Chevy Impala. I'm a piece of garbage human being. No wonder I'm going to eliminate myself and take,

what modest income I have away from my family, who are now doomed to a desperate life. Guess what? They're just fine. Yeah, they have no money. That's what, at all. They're fine. And next thing, you know, he shows up as a desperate life, guess what, they're just fine. Yeah, they have no money. That's what, at all. They're fine. And next thing, you know, he shows up as a snowman, makes everything worse.

You guys know that ain't questions about Michael Keaton and his proficiency for music. I'll tell you that he trained with musician Trent Rabin or being to prepare. And he wrote, and he wrote, he wrote, original neck. He co-ner's original name. He wrote two songs. Of course he did. And, uh, and he also learned how to play the harmonica.

And, uh, and because he didn't want to be a rock and roll wannabe, he wanted to look like a real working musician. So, I guess sweat was, uh, resreal. Uh, is there anything in your fact sheet about the Jack Frost band sticker on the handle of the snow shovel? Which I had to rewind three times. It's like the kids shoveling. And now it's time for him to get upset about his dad's

music career. So he looks at, imagine that production meeting. Like, somebody like. I got to figure out I get this Jack Booth back like like like I think I get this jack No, I think one of it was probably like I don't know what motivates the kid to get upset while he shovel it should the sun turn into a gold record What about this what if there's a sticker on the shovel? Oh, I like that. So the shovel's like a like an anti-gitar Yeah Because you put do you put stickers on guitars. Call Kenny, ask him, do you put stickers on guitars?

Get his, get his, as you can put stickers on a guitar. Hey, it's Rick. Everybody here, we're having a meeting. Everybody here wants to know if you put stickers on. You do? Oh, great, great. I'm going to put four shubbles. Bring me four shubbles with four different stickers on them.

We have to examine which is going to be the most emotional breakthrough here. Oh, guys, hang on. Henson is saying they got to make the stickers. They're responsible for the design of the film. They got to come up with the stickers. The first shovel is like four feet wide. No, no, you've done it wrong.

The handle's good. You wide, we need more air. The shovel shows up with like Google Googley eyes and a free hand. LAUGHTER Mmm. Um, that, uh, the scene where land side plays. Oh my god. And he rolls, he rolls a snowman.

Yep. Is a junior year of any trouble with that scene? It's really sad. There were a couple of moments in this movie that I genuinely was like, I was sad. I cried. I can't. Do you want to get into how you cried, Jim? No. I really got upset at the end of the film.

At the end? At the end. At the goodby scene. The goodby scene was very tough for me. I will say I know Dream for a very long time. This was pretty hysterical crying. And in the shout of, I don't want him to go. No, not really.

She was like the kid in that family. I was gonna say like the... Like a YouTube and the Green movie. Yeah, video. And he has a tie. Because... You literally said I don't want him to go. I didn't want him to go.

I still don't want him to go. What I was really upset about is it seemed like he had so much agency over that decision. He did? I agree. By the way, I agree. He chose to leave. Nobody showed up and said, times up, you gotta go. Right, there was no magic clock on him.

There was no reason he had to leave. He said, basically, you want a hockey game? My job is done. She looks great. I'm out of here. Yeah, the wife looks great. She's clearly... She's holding a bus from Meet-Low for whoever that guy was.

British, British, British... That guy who is probably in the commitments. I was just a Fulmati, definitely a Fulmati. He wasn't Fulmati. Oh, was he? Right? Was he in commitments? No? Full-money. Are we in game of thrones?

Yes. Is he? Oh, that was Sean Bean. Maybe we should watch the movie. I'm not the walk away. No, Jim, you got to watch. Jim is leaving the stage. Jim is leaving the stage. It's late. Jim is leaving the stage. Look at how blonde his hair is. That is not Elizabeth's shoe.

God, good job. Good job. Missing me a smile, Jack. Every time. You see, I cry cry. Remember when you said he was good, Dan? Every time. You see. I cry, cry. Oh. Remember when you said he was good, Dan?

The movie, the memories. I mean, you said he's good musician, Dan? You see the kid's report card on the fridge. I didn't go, I'm not holding that up to... I'm saying the movie says he's good. Do we still have apples? Like, these guys are killing it. I even...

Applause. Oh. He says, he's good. Weasel's app is like, these guys are killing it. I even... Woo! Woo! Woo! Uh... June had to leave and come back. Did you... Did you cry over there? It'd be a little off-app. My girlfriend and I watched it together,

and we also were on an emotional roller coaster. We were in the emotion of, uh, a wake, and then, uh, about 20 minutes in, uh, after the emotion of checking my farm game on the iPad, I injured the emotion of a deep sleep. And I missed some of the movies. Right after that, he turns into like a stardust and goes away, right?

Yes. Except that you hear his voice say this. Oh, yeah. In a tone that is like un-octiv below how he's just been singing, he goes, I will always hear you. Which they imagine being on the happy meal glasses. I will always hear you. I will always hear you. That is the horror movie version of it.

It's a snowman, it's a sentient snowman that even when he goes away, he's like, oh, you will always hear you. Even when you're fucking somebody else, I will always hear you. I will always hear you when you're jacking off Charlieboy. I will always hear you. Buh, buh.

I wish he'd fronted a death metal band. Do you know what the log line of this movie Ugh, ugh. Ugh. Ugh. I wish he'd fronted a death metal band. Do you know what the, uh, do you know what the log line of this movie is? It just says, Jack Frost is getting a second chance to be the world's coolest dad. Coolest.

And he doesn't milk first. If he doesn't milk first. Uh, milk, oh. Oh, well, oh. Here's the thing about that. He is a cool dad. His dad's a musician. Yeah. Yeah. He was doing, he was fine. He was fine. Why is a cool dad. His dad's a musician. Yeah.

He was doing his fine. He was fine. Why is this his second chance at it? Because he wasn't exactly there. But I would argue that he's actually getting a second chance at being a not cool dad. And being a dad who's there as a father. If he came back as a guitar and chose to teach his son Hockey and still well fight that would be a sacriote. He came back literally as a double amputee.

Like he... He doesn't have the option of his career. Like, oh, I'm back as a fucking frozen corpse. Let's play soccer. The argument that he comes back and is a burden to his son. That is true. Like his son has to go to the bathroom. It is hard to understand all the things that happen. It fights with him and appears to everyone else

to be a lunatic. Like the scenes with the kid is like arguing with a snowman in public. But, Bae Do-Woi, in a real movie where the snowman wouldn't be yelling back. In this movie, he yells at the snowman, the snowman yells back at him. But no one gives a shit.

Yeah, no one cares. Well, there is what's that actor's name, who does have a, he has an interaction with the snowman. Henry Rollins. Henry? Rock. Yeah. That actor is the lead singer of Black Flag.

Yeah. Henry Rollins does see the snowman, and he does see him. The singer of Black Flag. Yeah. Yeah. I know your allons. Does see the snowman. And he does see him. He recognizes him as a talking snowman. He freaks out about it. Because the snowman is calling his name. Right.

And brawling. Right. But that story's never really tied up and there are no consequences to any of that. There is just a new story. Someone did a new story on this man who's not talking snowman. And then the kids are talking about the snowman

in the car and he goes, I told you kids, no more snowman talk or whatever it says. I just realized that is profound though that the kid has to be careful what you wish for a story and that he wishes that his dad was less cool, less cold emotionally, less of a rock star who was unavailable to him.

His dad becomes a living snowman, which is sort of a metaphor for an ordinary dad. So when the bully says snowman, snow dad is better than no dad, that's ironic. That's not true. The screenwriter is saying, because the bully says it, not the kid. The screenwriter is venting about his own kid going,

Dad, when are you gonna stop writing that shitty movie? And fuck mom. And acknowledge me. Come back to us. You're not writing citizen Cain. You're never going to be anything. No one's going to remember your name. No one cares.

I'm standing outside your office, accumulating horrible memories of you. I'll probably end up being a shitty writer too. I'll write a shitty book about you. Just come out here, play with me. Let's be humans and then die together. And the dad's inside going, you fucking mediocre parasite. And then, where was I?

Yeah, cut to the shitty bully who says, hey, hey, having a piece of shit snowball and milk toast, white piece of shit, water dad is better than no dad at all because that's what this fucking, that's what society wants, this fatherhood. I'm an artist. And then,

the whole thing is like this ironic, it's like the dictator or the great dictator or something. By the way, this guy did go on to direct and write Ghost Rider and Daredevil. That's right. Amazing. Holy me up. But then there's also that thing, and I got to play this one

scene because this is one of the best moments, too, with the bully. The bully, I guess is, I mean, he's not really well defined, but we find out why he's a bully. You find out why everyone. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, this is a different line, but yeah. We find out the bully is a bully because his dad also has passed away.

Or his god. His god. I think I've read that he was more absent. Yeah, I thought his dad took off. He said he never knew his dad. Oh, okay. So it's like, he's like, yeah, so your dad goes and kills it in clubs for Dweezel's Appa.

Oh, my dad did. No man, Jack, a frosted snowman remix song. But this is a great, this is my, this is actually. It's the amazing of a turnout Michael Keaton was the bully's dad too. I never knew my dad. My mom was just this groupie. That's the sequel. Jack Frost's sequel.

He arrives and he thinks he's at Charlie Boyz House again. And this time he said, this kid's house, and he's like, oh, oh. Just when you thought it was over, he's got a million viewers. In a world where you can accidentally create magic rules just by making promises and stuff. Well, by the way, there's that last shot at the end where they're sort of like panning

through that street, the street that they live on. And in that last shot, almost every house has a snowman on it. Yes. Are we to think like, no, we're not to think it felt me like we were to think someone's listening everywhere. Really? You thought it was like an army of snowmen? An army of sentient snowmen?

I thought for a second maybe this rule is being defined that our loved ones have passed on. Our really always have ran out. You're trying to create a new holiday. Yes, as our snowmen. That is terrifying. A new kind of Halloween where it's like, oh, the ghosts of your ancestors.

If you say, if you say, Bloody Mary in the mirror and make a snowman, Krama will become a snow. Just put an article of clothing on the head. They were creating a kind of voodoo, like, like, they just made up rules. But again, he seems like he has control to leave, but no control to come, like, in that world.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah But yeah, I just don't I don't get like and again I will just point out that he doesn't seem like he knows that he's dead because when he pops up in the line I said oh hey, I'm I don't what he never says how long have I been away? He never he never understands like he never asks what the questions that a Reanimated person would ask. Just a couple of what happened to me.

Or, hey, do you know why I died? Because I was coming to see you on Christmas. Like, or, here's where I've been. Yeah. That's the thing. I want my God. What is death? Here's what happened to me.

This guy's got a real interesting story to tell. God, I don't think he's done it. He's back now. Because I think he's in the back now. Because I think he's all of a sudden he's like, I'm in the car, it's getting tough to see. Oh, I'm on my front lawn. I'm home. Well, that's terrifying.

That's saying that, I mean, that's atheism right there. Yeah. Or that is to say, we are some, we are some evil God gods plaything. You know what I mean? There is just like, oh, no, go do this for a while. We'll figure out how that works. Like that scene in like Clash of the Titans where they're just playing with like figures

and then I got on the floor. Yeah, yeah. So I just like Clash of the Titans, guys. Sorry, let's go with that. I'll be like that, assholes. Let me, do you think we should go on talk to people and see what they have any, would they have any points? We have a carpet here. Turn on the house lights. We'll go out here. If you have any things that you want to talk about,

kind of, offer them up to us. Here we go. All right. What's your, what's your name? What's your, uh, who's your favorite character in this movie? Oh, wow, you have a no-pad. Stand up here. Stand up. Wow, that's, like six pages of notes. Wow, that's like six pages of notes. Okay, that's still three pages of notes. Here we go.

Nerd! My name's Nick. My favorite character would probably have to be the kid that says it's next line in the earbub. Yeah, we're gonna play that line. I would like to do some readings for Roger Ebert's review of this book. Okay, go ahead.

It's Paul Seach. Yeah, turn around. Yeah. Applause. It's possible for the Jim Henson folks in industrial light magic to put their heads together and come up with the most repulsive single creature and the history of special effects.

And I am not forgetting the Chuck E. doll or the desert intestine from Star Wars. I'm sorry, I'm kidding. It has a big wide mouth that moves as if masticating gummy bears. And it's this kid's dad. And the last one, here is a typical conversation. You demand.

No, you demand. No, I'm a snowman. I'm a snowman. Roger E. Perth. I will I'm the snowman. Right, three people. I will say, when he starts to melt, it is really very grotesque to watch. Well, because they show a path of CG water, which is the equivalent of viscera,

because he's made of snow, and he looks at the pavement and goes, I gotta go across that. So you make all the... He can go around. Yeah, there's gotta be a way. You can't go. It's only a parking lot. And so they show him, yeah. Like the frosty to snowman just...

That was a very sad, terrible traumatizing thing for kids too, is like an ET level thing. But he went from being a snowman to being a puddle. Like he was stationary, but... Right. ...the snowman to being a puddle, like he was stationary, but the sliding, with the leaving a trail of yourself. It was disgusting. Yeah. But wait, I just realized, is Frosty the snowman

the kid's dad too? No, no. Who is Frosty? Is he just like, it just came to life one day. Yeah, that's the whole thing. But he probably is a reanimated, dead father of someone. Perhaps. But when he arrives, he doesnated dead father of someone. Perhaps. But when he arrives, he doesn't try and settle any scores.

He's just just a lot of good. But here's another guy driving in a Cadillac, boys and girls. He's basically a pedophile. He is only agenda is to play with all the boys and girls. I mean, first thing that's still, man, was nothing if not a series of proprietary highway cones that this movie had to weave in and out of. Like they wanted to just make a movie called Frusty the Stoeman with Michael Keaton and

they... Or George Clooney. Or George Clooney, sorry, yeah. Probably Bruce Willis to begin with. All right, so here we go, our next question. What is your name? What would you call this movie? And then what is your name? What would you call this movie? And then what's your question?

My name is Nozli. I think I would call this movie Jack Frost, question mark. And my question is, when Jack Michael Keaton decides to drive home to meet his his family, for Christmas. He basically decides that this band that he's been working his whole life towards. He's been going to go to the life changing gig. And all of them are in his family.

But the entire band was OK with it. If I'm not right. They were all silent. They were all crazy not to go get my mom. He's making making apple pie. They clearly, there's a reason why they were failures. They didn't play the big Easter gig. They didn't play the big Memorial Day gig.

They didn't have any drive. They didn't have any drive. I had a weird, I was watching it with my girlfriend and I said at that point, I said like, oh, the kid kinda, is the kid gonna be really happy with this passive aggressively leveraged Christmas that comes at the expense of his father's dreams? Right.

And I heard myself say that with a, next to a woman who I plan to have children with and then realized it's, because she was like, what? The kid's eight, he's allowed to be upset that I was like, yeah, you're right. I got a retire before we have kids because I was sort of like, I was on Michael Keaton, I was like, fuck you you're right, I got a retire before we have kids. Cause I was sort of like, I was on Michael Keaton.

I was like, fuck you kids. You had a big gig, you had a good one. Did you hear that? I got a play on Christmas or the fucking band. Look at my hairline, it's not, it's not whatever the opposite word for receding is. I'm not. It's not marching forward.

I'm not, I'm not bad man anymore. Yeah. I got, I got, you know, I got one hit. All we wanted was hit. I got one hit I got it. I got it in my mouth. I got it in my mouth. I got it in my mouth. I got it in my mouth. I got it in my mouth.

Yeah. I got it in my mouth. I got it in my mouth. Yeah. I got it in my mouth. Yeah. I got it in my mouth. Yeah.

I got it in my mouth. Yeah. I got it in my mouth. I got it in my mouth. Yeah. I got it in my mouth. Yeah. I got it in my mouth. Yeah. I got it in my mouth. Yeah. The night. It was from just last night.

You're listening to Doe's Elzapas phone recorder. All the greatest hits from the 70s and today on Doe's Elzapas phone from last night. I love those bootleg tapes. Well, you know, they would always play those bootleg tapes in the radio. Right here, what's your name? Who's your favorite character in this movie?

And what's your question? My name is Mark, and I love Henry Henry Rollins because it's Henry Rollins. And speaking of Batman, on the Sun's bedside table, there's a figurine of Superman with chains on his chest with Batman's head. Is this whole movie just a huge foreshadowing of Batman vs Superman? Requestion. No, no. a whole movie, just a huge foreshadowing of Batman vs. Superman. Good question. No, no. No.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I'm saying. The only reason why that struck me when I saw it was that I was like, how did they get the rights to use those like DC characters in this movie? Because, well, I don't know. By switching the heads. Yeah, right.

You can do that. All right, your name? What you call this movie and your question? Oh, a big piece of shit. All right. Now, what would you call the movie? Thing! Thing!

Now, did it! How did that feel? Zing! Zing! Now that it! Hot it! That feel! What? The snow-pile guy is Amit Zappa. Right. He's a... Yeah.

Awesome. Oh, that was your quiet. No, no, no, no, no. My question is, why didn't Michael Keaton sign off on the Chubby Keyboard player bangin' the wife? Well, I don't think it was that. I don't think he needs to.

Yeah. You got a co-sign, didn't you? You guys said, hey, why don't you get one you get with my keyboard player? That's hard. He's dead. Keaton's dead. He can't control it.

She's got needs. I was, I mean, were you guys surprised if you had a movie like this? I was surprised that the snowman never played the harm. There's a girl following you. I thought, yeah. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha.

Careful, Paul. Careful. You can't talk on that. Yeah, they kept, they kept. That was scary for me. I was like, uh-oh, what's this girl up to? When they, when they cut to the hockey ring, they show a close up of the keyboard being played by the guy

I think I was like, okay, I was starting connecting doubts. I was like, okay, the fat guy is gonna have to go in there and get his groove back and Play the keyboard to find the music. Well, so that Jeff He's like, what's he talking with his son or something? I also thought did you think this that at some point the snowman was gonna front the band? Yeah, absolutely. That's what I'm talking about, really. Why didn't he do it? He should have really thought one night only. And that's what I thought.

That's what I thought, it's the guy that, there was an outdoor rock concert. And the guy said, they must be freezing up there. Exactly. There's something happen. Yes. I also didn't like the logic of this movie where his dad was dying, and all he needed to do is bring them on the ice of the ice skating rink

But he's like no, we can't people see you but yet he brought that snowman around the entire town No, we can't we probably shouldn't go out there. I don't want to make a scene. You should you should probably stay here and die by the way How did you get here? I do think there's I. Is there an after life? I think there's something must have happened. I feel like there must have been some editing and writing on the spot, because I think once they saw in the wide shots how creepy it looked for him to glide

and to not have feet. But I think his moving around was a problem. I think it was a problem. Well, that's why they push him along and things. And that's why a lot of times he's in wheel, he's being carted in the lab. It also is probably too expensive to animate him move. There had to be some kind of like blues traveler set piece.

Oh. Whatever this is, I'm into it. Yeah, where he had to save the day in some kind of talent show or fundraiser. Love it. Or something. Where you know that thing was playing harmonica with his weird stick arms.

Yeah. And they made an animatic or they looked at it and they were like, we changed. And then you got that great scene of someone in the crowd going like, he looks so lifelike or something, you know, like, and they're like, oh, how did they do it? Or they're like, yeah, or they, they, somebody said like, oh, it's animatronic or it's a poppin, you know, like, like something on someone's front lot. But then the Jim Hansen Company was like, we don't do that. Yeah.

Read the fine print. Nobody makes jokes like that in the movies where we work on it. And we got a fucking shit under these George Clooney snowmen. He'll fuck us. And if Jim Henson hadn't died, we wouldn't be in this bullshit situation. Hey, why didn't he just go to the doctor? This is Kyle from Jim Henson Company. Too soon didn't he just go to the doctor? This is Kyle from Jim Henson Company. Too soon?

He should have gone to the doctor. He should have gone to the doctor. All he needs to do is go to the doctor. How did this go? How did this go? All right, your question, your name, your favorite Jack Frost song, and your question. My name is Helen.

My favorite Jack Frost song is the one that clearly they played at the beginning. For us to this moment. Anyways, okay, so my major question is since the puppet was designed to look like George Cleaney, did they then pick an actor who had the exact same eyebrows as the puppet? Because the whole time I was like, don't puppet has the same eyebrows as Michael Keaton. It's really selling the same act together. Well, I agree.

I think they probably fixed the eyebrows. It's like somebody had a crush on the puppet. LAUGHTER Yes. Was this movie originally intended to be a horror movie until the last moment and then they changed it? Because everything about every horror movie too. By the way, we only let people with accents ask two questions.

But no, it does. We said that. It has the horror. Everything about this movie is a horror thing. It's a beautiful film. The frame will. You're absolutely right. The scene where Henry Rollins pulls up in the street, it feels like a cap put on a flaming oil well that was once a scene where Henry Rollins gets murdered. Right.

Right. Because nothing happens in the scene. It feels like it was when the hockey game now kill you. What should have happened? Was Rollins should have gotten out of the car to confront the snowman. And the snowman has no option but to go. Right, he just keeps, he's like,

that's that's all for series of events. What do you, what do you fucking snowman? You were snowman? Hey, come on, hey, come on, sit, it's me. What do you fucking snowman? You think you're snowman? I said, leave me alone. Scly.

Oh God, my hands are sticks. I didn't know! My hands are sharp sticks. I didn't know! Dutting, like, turn the air to style, just coming right out of the back of his head. The thing is, what we don't know is that Sid is a vampire, so he is dusted.

I love it. Because it's wood. Oh. So he got staked, like on Buffy. Oh, so it's a town overrun by vampires and he- Oh, by the way, this movie just got more interesting. What's your name? What's your question? Here we go.

My name is Tim. There is, in fact, a horror movie called Jack Frost where serial killers put inside a snowman, the low light of the moving being where they snowman rapes a girl with his carrot nose. I saw that. I feel like I saw that. I remember those direct to video, right? Yeah, it was.

Definitely on Netflix, and it had one of those, I worked at Blockbuster Video. And I had one of those covers, if you look at it one way, it was like regular snowman. The other way, it's like, take that. I have a question. I have a question. Did anybody watch that movie thinking that's what we were doing?

One person. You watched it. How was it? It was horrible. And it's worse that I watched it for no reason. How... A highlight. Did you?

What's one of your notes from the Jack Truss? Ask us a question based on that movie. That's a worth it, here we go. Can you remember what's the highlight low light of Jack Truss? It was actually a dialogue, the dialogue was preposterous. It was actually kind of the polar opposite of this. It was a horror film that served up lines, thinking it was a comedy, but literally.

It's literally, no one knows. It raises an interesting question, why not a carrot nose in this one? And is the answer to that because they're so kind of like, like they had the rights to the carrot nose? I actually thought about it, because the quirk nose, I think it seems cuter to you. I think they had to go a long way to make that face seem lovable.

I also bet, I bet it's hard to animate something that's long, like perspective-wise versus something that's just... Finally, he wasn't an avatronic puppet, so it was not CGI. Forever? Well, maybe like one or two. There were a lot of, it seemed like it was puppetry. Yeah, like, it was like a dude in a blanket. Like, if you are that dude that was in that blanket and you were listening to this, please call us. Come on, we have a question, another question over here.

We haven't yet talked about the scene. What's your name? Sandra! Hey, my name is Sandra. And we haven't yet talked about the scene. What's your name? Sandra! Hey, my name is Sandra, and we haven't yet talked about the scene where he perversely gropes his own snow boobs. I don't remember showing you. Yeah.

I don't remember showing you. At first glance, I thought he was feeling them to try to understand what they were. Oh, still boobs. Oh, OK. Yeah. Wait, I don't even remember this thing. He gets hit with the trailer.

He gets hit with the trailer. Oh, he gets hit with the trailer. Yeah, yeah. And it's seen that it's now offensive in a post-transgender awareness, like, community, like, because they hit him and he has boobs and he goes, No way! Which is now technically offensive. And it pushes them together and he's like, oh boy.

Oh, man. See, that's not how I read it. At first, I thought he really liked it. Yeah, I thought he was into it. And then was revolted by that. And then threw them away. Because he does his first instinct is to push them together.

Yeah. Present them. Like a foreign star. He's about to titty fuck somebody. And the only person around is his son. All I'm saying is... How about when they go... He had a carrot nose the ending of the movie

would have been way different. How about when they go to the fortress of hockey solitude? Apparently there were snow boops in the other Jack Frost movie as well. Really? Guys, this other Jack Frost movie sounds like we should do a follow-up episode. What a question over here. Alright, your question, your name and your question. I'm Sarah and the part I found most upsetting was that the kids in town were borderline

so sealed pounds because this kid is dad just died and he's so depressed and then he runs up to the van and the kids are like, no, you let us down. You really let us down by quitting. Yeah, you're right. This kid who is going through an emotional breakdown, his dad had died. His dad had died a year ago, almost to the day, seems. And it's the holidays and the one year yet anniversary.

Yeah. But do you remember the moment when the bully said to the other bully? This is it. I have this scene, which is, I think, here, this is it, here we go. Brock, you think, but head. Forget it, Rory. He's no fun to pick on anymore since it's so random. Yeah, I'm telling you to get those.

No fun to pick on anymore since. I can't think of him a real bummer since the tragedy struck. I mean, there's something a blifting about that. It's like, after 9-11, when they would do those comic books, where like, Magneto would be helping rebuild the rubble. Well, handing a brick to Spider-Man, and we're like, hey, I'm not a villain under the right circumstances. These guys killed 3,000 people.

I just... I have committed genocide in Geno-Shut. Oh! Oh! But nerds. Nerds. You such a mouth! You shut, you tell no one but you heard here.

Oh! Ha! Ha! Tell no one about you heard here. LAUGHTER It also seemed like Jack Frost had no problem. And then his daughter wiped out the mutants, everybody. No more mutants. Sorry. And it seemed like the father had no problem letting his son see him die again, too.

He's like, no. Yep, leave me here. I'm a no-thing. And you're, no, leave me here. I'm melting. And you're going to watch this. Yeah. I'm going to die in a horrible way. Oh, man, it was like that kind of the anti, like that screenwriter theory that I have.

Because what do they do? They go up to the prishes, cabin. Where the kid wanted to go? You're so fat. You walked this. Yeah. Oh, look, I'm back. I can't play guitar anymore.

My arms are gone. Let can't play guitar anymore. My arms are gone. Let's go to the cabin. I'm here, dad. OK, we're here. I'm here. How about this? I can't wait.

OK, the writer is actually a stepdad. The writer is a stepdad. And this gives me like, my real dad was really cool. Really? Where was he? Where is he? I feel like he's constantly battling this real death. Like, what I'm here now, I know.

What's way more fucked up, right, is exactly what you're saying. They go to the cabin, okay? Which is up at the top of a mountain. It's like a nine or 10 year old boy and his sentient snowman father. At which point, the snowman father is like, and I'm outta here.

I'm leaving of here. Leaving a small boy alone in the mountains. He called the mom first. Which, what, great way to, like, he's her pain. I don't want your mom to see me in the spice closet. I'll just have a creepy fucking death call to her. You're fine, I'm okay. It's Michael Keaton. He's at the cabin.

Jesus Christ, oh my God, Jesus is real. Oh my God. It's not you going out of the front. It goes jack click. Yeah. He keeps on going. Why be so quick? Yeah, quick Q&A.

I'll, I'll, yeah. I always love how you are amazing. I'm sorry about this. I can't explain. You can say I can't explain. I love you. You're something to Kevin. Yeah.

I think what I'm going to say is that I can't explain. I love you. You're something to Kevin. Yeah. Oh, yeah, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I feel like emotionally, yes. I think you have a scene that went back and forth with him. So you're thinking this is like the scene in Breaking Bad where Walt is crying, but he's like, you fuck me over, you know, like Skylar, that's it? It's never gonna read. Oh my God, how fucked up would that be though? If he had like a brundle fly kind of like Gina Davis exchange, where he's like, she's like, tell me more what happens when you die.

And he goes, I can't cry. My tears just freeze. He's like, tell me more what happens when you die. And he goes, I can't cry. My tears just freeze. I don't have tear ducts. Just go get up here. Like, where? I don't want to see. Oh, how about this?

How about this? And this is real. The character of the snowman needs to eat. He's hungry. He was hungry. He's hungry. So he eats. Does he shit?

I don't know. What's the point of him eating? He eats also, and he can only eat frozen food. They had to get him into that kitchen so they could do that classic, classic spice closet scene. I couldn't crack that at all. That made no sense. So you would even argue that when he was getting along the sidewalk,

that you would see frozen carrots. Corn, corn, corn, corn, corn. Corn, here's the thing. He eats. Mama, mama, mama. OK, then there's the scene. It's in the trailer where they're like on the toboggan, and he splits into three balls. Repeatedly in the trailer where they're like dry on the toboggan

and he splits into three balls. Repeatedly in the movie, he splits, he falls apart. Yes, that's so fun. He must have a digestive tract, right? They should show like a couple. He's eating, he's eating, he must have inside. Nope, nope, nope, he's got nothing. So where are the peas?

Where are the peas? You actually ever see him eat or do you just see that stuff on the table? He does, it's an empty bag of snow pees. I owe you some more questions. His arm gets ripped off by the dog, and then he goes and grabs the arm, puts it back on. Can he, does it have to be that arm? Can he put another stick? Can he put a third stick in the center of his chest and put it in the middle of the arm?

Or, or, four sticks on either side and become a snow spider. A snow spider? I want to be a snow spider. Awesome movie. Awesome movie. Nope. My dad is a snow spider.

Fuck yeah. Now I'm building a small board for this movie. Oh my gosh. Nobody knows about this place. This is where I come to think. I've been coming here a lot this year. Little racist towards Eskimos' movie, too, when the kid says he's doing a project about living in a glue, and he says, yeah, Eskimos have wet floors, and the mom goes, oh yeah, okay. Like that was there.

She should have said, that's not true. Yeah, that's not true. That's not a true statement. That the damn favorite things too, at the very beginning when they crest the hill into one of those huge snowball fights, the kid says, remember what they taught us in history class?

If you want to stop an army, stop the general. Yes, school is terrible. Fire your history teacher. That's not true. And it's pointless. You're teaching people a lie. But by the way, they're not teaching that level of battle technique.

Oh, they think you don't think they're teaching battle strategy? Yeah. To these four million. For the greener. When I was in fifth grade, I learned battle strategy. Oh my god. And there was another, oh man, I was going to,

I don't even know what I was going to say. Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but there are other people who have another opinion. Now it is time for a second opinion. Second opinion! You'll get... Second opinion. The segment is called second opinion.

I'm a big fan of your podcast. I listen to it all the time. I know the theme song, the second opinion. Got it, 100%. That will be now remixed with us, and that will be forever now. All right, these are five star reviews, Cole from Amazon.

These are pretty great. I actually took one out, Jim, because I thought I would upset you too much. So. Thank you. Here we go. I took it out. I thought I might print it out.

This is from Shane. He goes, my dad was the exact same way. Music was his number one priority. I was third. Women were his second. Oh. Oh. Oh.

He didn't die, but he might as well have. Oh. So last time I saw him, I was eight years old, and it was Christmas Eve. I watch this movie every year around Christmas, as I can remember. I hate it. Not because it's a good flick, but because I can relate.

I mean, even the little things, like the fact that his dad is a chubby music buddy, and that his mom's a blonde, just more similarities. A must see for the entire family, or anyway, or anyone who has experienced a similar life. Oh, my God. A must see for me. He is a...

Oh, my God. That is fucking insane. This one was pretty great too. And then you want to be reminded of your own horrors from childhood. What he does to you? He openly admits the movie's not good, but he goes to it as some kind of anti-mecca. It's like a tharsis.

He gets to, someone also is going through what I am going through. It's like Scientologists. I think they believe if you slam your finger in a corridor, you put your finger back in the corridor, and like touch it. Yes, they'd rub it there, yeah. No, that's what he's doing. They just got a real thing.

Scientologists also believe that if you trend's been on a snowman, and your dad gives you a harmonica. It's a very, very powerful religion for actors. This is from EagleSource77, although sad, but with a great plot. And again, it goes against my beliefs. But that again. Yeah, again. From his other reviews on Amazon.

You probably clicked on me, a movie Mikey. But that being said, it's awesome. Wait, they go against his beliefs. And I don't know. Christian beliefs. You go against everyone's beliefs. Yeah, well, I don't know. I guess my thought is, is he saying,

like, re in carnation? Because I don't, I mean, yeah. And then so, well, this movie is very anti-Christian. Well, I mean- I'm just kidding. He goes, and as a great pot mix one, think about what we need to work on and do better in our lives now.

Unlike this movie, we don't get second chances. Oh, shit. He knocks once, bitch. Yeah. Well, I will say this, Jack Frost is a Christ-like character. He does rise from the grave. He is constantly fucked with by God through no choice of his own. He's burning into mystical circumstances. He's got human form and a different form, which is snowman.

He has a band of apostles who different form, which is snowman. He has a band of apostles who support him in what he's doing. He's celibate, but maybe not. Like, evidence shows he had a wife, maybe. The cabin is kind of like the tomb, and he disappeared from the tomb. All right, there we go. Well, you know, it's that out of your mouth?

Wait, yeah, this one's titled Great for Wives to Watch with Husbands. Wow, this movie was an eye-opener for my husband. It really made him think about how important it is for him to spend time with his kids and take care of household responsibilities. Oh, wow. From Susan K. take care of household responsibilities. Oh, wow. From Susan K.

There's a whole society of people out there watching movies wrong. That review is, like, says so much about her death life. Oh, my God. You and the kid who's, who you're flagellating yourself because your dad died too. Like, you have a right to be entertained by a feature film. Well, watch out because this one's gonna bring down the whole world.

Titled Orphan and Denver. Oh my God. I love this movie. My dad just died two months ago, and this is the first time I've seen it. Tomorrow I'm going to go out and build a snowman, play my homonica, and pray that my dad comes back in the snow. I miss him. Five stars.

Five stars. Five stars. By Paulist fan, Paul's fan. Holy cow, that is bleak. Written in December 22, 2004, just a couple days of work. You wonder if it worked? Update, this shit worked. This worked? Update. Like this shit worked. Everyone get a harmonica.

Get outside. Like how many times has it happened that somebody was driving by someone hugging a snowman. It was like somebody just said Jake Frost. Oh, that's one thing I want to talk about too. When Kelly, when she comes home, the wife comes home, she's like, oh, look at this snowman. And then she kind of gets sexy with it.

Like, why? It's like George Clooney. Yeah, look. I smell a scotch on it. I love you, and he are. Whispering in that stovett here. Did you know speaking of which, I mean, yeah, like during this 40 minutes of life in this movie,

he wanted, when he kisses his wife, like, I don't like it. I agree with that. He's kind of tungling and, yeah, stuff. Like, he got too into it. It felt like I married guys, like, I guess, it's a kiss on film, so I'm gonna really go for it. I'm sure Travolta was like, don't you fucking lay your head on the moon.

You stay away from my woman, that's my Travolta. You stay away from me. You listen to me. Is there anything that we haven't covered? Anything that we wanna talk about, who we got everything out, I feel it. Anything we missed. The hot, I mean, there's the big hockey game.

You know, he wins the big game because the snowman teaches him how to shoot. Who cares? Not important. The fucking kid, the 2004 kid. Yeah, that's the toughest. Here's, here's, okay. I'm different now.

Yeah. The next 40 years of my life were previous to that. I want to say that when I read that I knew it was going to be a template. I will say this and this is legitimately a compliment. That kid was acting against nothing and did a burrow. He did a burrow. He did a burrow. He was acting against a five foot tall animatronic puppet.

That's what I mean. He, that's what I mean. He does a good job in what is, I'm sure, impossible circumstances. You're right. You know what? It's like, it's like a good cosmetic surgery, where we're not pointing out when it works. He's not?

You're right. No, it's gigantic. He's not crazy. He's not terrible in this. No, he's not terrible in this. No, he's actually a good kid actor, yeah. Because we didn't notice. Yes.

And that's that is the part that is out there. Kid, if you're out there, is a stoman. Yeah, and that's what he's been up to. Running with his scissors. Oh wow, he's the name kid. What else? Shrug, that's what he's in Lincoln? He's in Lincoln? Wow, this guy is really good.

Kids do really pull together. Kids fucking great. It's great. Kids got a zombie. His name is Joseph Cross. He has been a milk Lincoln. Nice. Untraceable Jack Frost.

He's been in a lot of good stuff. This guy is a work. Does this movie have a sequel? No. What would the sequel be? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know a lot of good stuff. This guy's the worst. Does this movie have a sequel? No. What would the sequel be? I don't know. What would the sequel to any of these garbage movies be? But they still make them. What? Did it make money?

Oh, it didn't make money. No, of course not. I have one. There is a sequence. I don't know if you guys stopped it during the credits. But after the whole credits rolls, they show him appearing at the North Pole at Sam Jackson comes out and... Oh, you think you'll finish motherfucker?

You gotta get to work. That would be amazing. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is actually good, the money situation. Budget, one guess what the budget it was in this movie? 32 million. Okay. 60. I was made in 98.

Oh, wait. These are Clinton dollars. 50. Yeah, I want to say like 40. 85 million dollars. What? What? $50. Yeah, I want to say like 40. 85. What? What?

85 million. Was that a titanium harmonica? It was all that Georgia Clooney suits made. The box office opening weekend was seven. And the worldwide lifetime gross is 34. So it is still in the, is... What's studio? I don't know, it probably does not exist anymore.

What? Warners? Warner brothers, oh, it doesn't exist. All right. Wow. Let's all, I mean, there's not that many of us, but let's keep in mind people are gonna listen. Let's all write to Warner Brothers and demand a sequel.

I think that Jack Frost coming back as Jack is now older, starting his old Charlie boy is older. Charlie's older, he's now playing in a band himself, but he's gotten into drugs, he's on the wrong path, his dad needs to come back and get him on the right, because his wife is pregnant, and she's gonna give birth on Christmas Day, but she went to a devil, to the devil baby.

I love it, I love it. Because he keeps his solution all his problems. He keeps his wife keeps going, you need to spend time with this house. He goes, no I don't. If I die, I'll come back as a snowman. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And I'll stick around.

He won't make the same mistake as his dad made. Oh, how about this? The kid gives the mom the harmonic, a kid dies. Oh. Oh. Comes back as a snowman for the mom to teach her not to have a devil baby. She's involved in a very sexual relationship with a jackal.

I do want to talk. Or it's just like fly too. It just like fades in on the basement of the Pentagon. And it's just like the kid is like a top. Or it's just like fly too. It's just like, it fades in on the basement of the Pentagon. And it's just like, the kid is like a prisoner. And there's like, so, like, they're trying to figure out the technology behind the harmonic. We could have snowman warriors. We would win every battle.

Oh, well, well, well, well, because we can't win snowman warriors. I mean, that's great. But also, if we could conquer death. Oh, right, yeah, you're right. That's a better... People could die and come back and live forever. There's a whole theory that the Jack Frost style snowman are what is beyond the wall in game of thrones.

I do want to talk about the... The hermoneca again, because when he gives it to him he goes, oh, dad, where'd you get this hermoneca? And he looks at a poster of Wayne Gretzky and he goes like, oh, it tells a lot. It tells a lot. He tells a shit. John Crier hiding out Maxwell Howzer, long. Oh my god. My favorite movies of all time.

And yes, yeah. And then he goes, no, he didn't. He's like, yeah, yeah. I didn't. And then he tells the real story, which is nice. I put the hermoneca the day you were born. Although, don't bury the Legion. That's the point. I didn't. But then he tells the real story, which is nice. I put the harmonic, the day you were born. Although, don't bury the legion. That's all you have.

I don't know if that's true. I've been pathological. Now you're a liar. I don't know what to believe. But he's seen to me if I'm writing this movie, the more, don't make him lie. Oh yeah, I got this from a cool booze man who told me that the magical booze man.

Yeah, that would be the thing. A man's bar. I thought what they were setting up was that, this was actually all going to be in his head at the end of it. That it was not like St. Ellsworth's. Oh, that steers out of the way of a truck on the road. Or that, or that the kid in the kid's head,

because that hermonica, the way they set it up, it really didn't have any significance. It wasn't magical. He lies about where he got it from. I agree. So I thought at the end, the kid was just going to realize that the snowman was never real and then have that conflict. And then he closed.

So the movie ends with the kid finishing playing a note. And then he just throws the harmonica onto a casket that's being lowered. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait that's being lowered. Oh, boy, we're in cats. A lot of cats. And the mom goes, like, sweetie, you seem like you're daydreaming about something. He's like, yeah, I don't know. Or the kid.

It's like, it's close in. It's that same shot of the kid, close in and bed. He finishes playing the harmonica. You pull out, and he's in an insane assighted. The kid is in an insane assighted, and the nurse takes it away from him. And he's like, where did you get that? He's rolling around. He's in like a sucker punch types today.

He's just rolling around in the down patting from a rubber room. Like he's creating a snow dress in this whole movie. It is this in his head. I mean, but I thought there was at least a 90% chance that the movie was gonna end with the dad being alive. And he's like, hey, wake up, I just got home from tour. Because the kid was like, I remember he was like, wake him up, wake up the kid when he got home from tour.

And then I thought, oh, that's where he'll come back and back. And he's like, hey, you dreamt about me dying and then coming back as a snowman. That was your dream, because you didn't go to bed. You know, I actually thought, I thought there was a 20% chance that Michael Keaton would live his life as a snowman and then he would lay like, I got a, and then the kid would cry and his tear would turn into an icicle or something

or like an ice key that would unlock the hole in his heart and it would turn the snowman back into Michael Keaton for real. I have a lot to get. And then he'd be like, well, fuck it. Well, how about chocolate for us? If Michael Keaton at the end can turn into Michael Keaton, why didn't he do that from the beginning? Wow.

I think he can only do that as a ghostly thing. In transition. It's a good, a swasie, swasie, yeah. Although I did think too, I did also think that there was an element of the movie where, again, all these old endings, that he was a caught in a snowdrip for a year. Like, you would come out like,

ah, I did it. And he looked like a snowman. But he was mad. It wasn't him the whole time and he just shakes off and goes, wait a minute, wait, oh shit, god damn it. It's like Rick Maranas and Ghostbusters,

like, it's like, I was just in a bunch of snow. I wasn't mad, you know. Yeah. But the shit he had in your hand, you were like, but he had no legs for the car, did make a life cut out both of the time. He like wakes up, he was in the accident,

he's been in a bunch of snow, that's why he had the dream of being in a snowman, and then he dies. He's freezing to death. His injuries are so severe. The movie, it's Jacob's ladder. Yeah, yeah. The movie begins with like a voice over that says,

they say your final thought lasts forever. Yeah, and then the doctors are like, clear, clear. He's hypothermia, he's dead. What was his name? Frost. Jack Frost. And then you know that the kid never gets any closure. Also, he's identifying the body and they go, is this your dad and he goes, no.

And they change it from Jack Frost to John Doe and the kid's like, closure. Pay back some bitch. I win. All right, that brings us to the end like, closure. Paybacks of bitch. I win. All right, that brings us to the end of the episode. Thank you guys so much. And that was our live show from Largo. What a show, big hand to Dan Harmon. How can you catch up with Dan Harmon?

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