How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Jaws 4: The Revenge (w/ Jake Fogelnest)

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

Writer/comedian Jake Fogelnest joins Jason, June, and Paul to break down 1987's Jaws 4: The Revenge. The crew discuss Lorraine Gary's return to the franchise, ponder why the sharks are so obsessed with the Bordy family, and reveal Mario Van Peebles improvised all his lines. Seems like this time it was actually personal. (Originally Released 09/04/2012) HDTGM is coming to NYC on Nov 15th! Go to hdtgm.com to buy tix, merch, and for more on bad movies.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaFor extra content on Matinee Monday movies, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerTalk bad movies on the HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmPaul and Rob Huebel stream live on Twitch every Thursday 8-10pm EST: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social media

Vengeful sharks and bad Jamaican accents. This time it's personal. We saw Jaws 4 the revenge, so you know what that means. of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I am joined, as always, by June Diane Raphael and Jason Manzoukas. How are you both? Good, how are you, Paul?

Pretty terrific. We have a special guest today, Jake Foglenest. Hi. Hi. Hello. Well, man, oh, man. Jaws 4. This is a highly recommended movie

that I've been really postponing because I'm like, it can't be that good. I thought it was amazing. And the fact that it's a major motion picture, this was on the level of birdemic to me. This is, it should have. Oh, in terms of how bad it is? Yeah.

Oh, but it is a major studio release. Studio release. Yes. Well, I know you're saying too, because there's so many scenes that are ADR'd so poorly. It feels like so much of the action that's taking place outside, which is most of the movie is ADR'd. Like there's just production value things that are shocking.

Have they ever thought maybe it's a bad idea to make a movie on the ocean? Like I understand, like they made the first Jaws and that was a, you know, that turned out well. But it was a disaster. It was a disaster. The second one, I think it didn't go much better. The third one's in 3D and that fixes everyone. Sure.

And you would figure by this time they would either have figured out, all right, this is how you make a big shark movie, but absolutely not. In fact, I think the answer was, you know what, we still don't get this, but we've got Michael Caine. But great news, we've secured Michael Caine to play the rakish island pilot in the Bahamas. Guys, great news. Do you have the whole cast back? No.

We have one person from the first movie who's really on the side. We got Roy Schneider's wife to come out of acting retirement. Did she really? Yes, she was self-imposed acting retirement. She also was married. By the way, she had the right idea.

Ha ha ha. Apparently, the reason why she was cast in the first Jaws, and this is maybe potentially hearsay, was that she was married to the head of the studio at the time. And so that's why she might have been cast. Possibly, we're not saying that's true. She was married to Gary Universal? Gary Universal. Sid Schoeman or Sid? Sid Sheinberg. Yes, that's who she was married to. By the way, why do I just know so easily the head of Universal Studios in the 70s. She really does not have many roles to her name.

No. Wait, what? She was hysterical lady in Car Wash. Obviously remember that. She's actually very good in that. Do you really? I think I do know. Is she Miss Beverly Hills in Car Wash?

Like the hysterical woman who's got the sun that's puking? It just says hysterical woman. I think it is, yeah. I like that you also have total recall for Car Wash. I love Car Wash. That is a great movie. That is an underrated classic. I went and saw it in the theater not that long ago at midnight.

No, Car Wash is awesome. You've got George Carlin's in it, Professor Erwin Corey. Of course. Which I can PIC is in this movie? Um, Professor Erwin Corey. Of course. And, uh. I mean, are you, are you, are you talking PIC? Is it in this movie? Yeah, it's a PIC picture. Oh, alright.

And yeah, Richard Pryor has a, with the Poynter sisters. Richard Pryor and the Poynter sisters together. I am, I am in. I'm gonna watch Carl. Because America needed that to happen. Well, basically they were like, we got a Laurie and Gary, so let's bring it back, let's get this shark back in the water We need one more element though. Yeah, we need one more. What is it? Can we get Mario van Peebles?

Oh, we're gonna try we're gonna try to get Mario look look we're trying to put together Can we get any van people can we get a van people's can we get me? I think it started with could you guys think we could get Melvin Van Peeples? No. Great news though, he's got a son. Get him in here and let him not read the script. Apparently Mario Van Peeples in this movie improvised his entire role. Really? Yes.

Wow. Can't tell. Can't tell at all. I mean, like, he's, they're in the Bahamas and he's speaking in a Jamaican accent. Yes. I had a huge problem. I mean, possibly he's just a Jamaican guy hanging out in the Bahamas, but I was like, no, no, this is, he thinks this is how they talk here.

There's more authenticity in those Red Stripe beer commercials with the Red Stripe reggae band. The movie starts in Amity, like the first movie. Oh, can I ask a question? I'm sorry. I have a question, just because I don't know and maybe you guys do do so so the Helen the woman who's the Roy Scheider's wife from the first movie? Yes, she's not in two and three She is in two and then three they just focus on the Sun's but then and the for the Sun's these sons

Three really doesn't have anything to do with it's sort of a part of the cannon yeah basically three they threw the jaws cannon they threw away three they threw away three yeah the idea in jaws three was that the kids go work at SeaWorld and then SeaWorld does attack wasn't they don't do that got it be a comedy like I know that there was like a script or some sort of pitch where they were like Jaws 3, People 0. And I think it was Maddie Simmons. I think Maddie Simmons from the National Lampoon,

they pitched it as a comedy, as an Animal House sort of National Lampoon comedy. They may have written a script. Wow. And then the studio was like, no, we're, you know. We're gonna stick with what we do. We're gonna stick with what we do. Which is ba-dum, ba-dum. Everybody's scared.

But they were gonna do like an airplane type thing. Oh, by the way, I mean, I know we're skipping ahead, but Mario Van Peebles does the Jaws theme in the Jaws movie. At one point, when the main character is underwater, Mario Van Peebles is talking to him over a two-way communication, and he's like, but so so are we to assume that in this world the movie Jaws exists a movie that features the death of this character's father Roy Scheider? Or I thought maybe in this world it could have been there was a documentary made.

That's what I thought. Like a made for TV movie about the event. Also scored by John Wolfe. Wait a second, wait, no. That's what I thought. How could you have that and still have the Jaws theme from the Universal Pictures movie, Jaws? Steven Spielberg's Jaws.

That was a real life event that was dramatized kinda like 30 minutes or less. This is like a multiverse situation. When she's going back to those flashbacksbacks she's not remembering actual things that happen she's remembering the dramatized version that would be amazing when she goes back into I mean now we're jumping way ahead yeah she though the Helen the main the main woman has a series of flashback yes at the end of the movie well and during none of which she was present for

And she flashes back to scenes she was she could not know what they were I'm saying there must have been a documentary made about her life and the Starring her actual family The way the flashbacks work, it's not dissimilar to that old HBO show dream on It's not dissimilar to that old HBO show, Dream On. You're right. Brian Ben Ben? Yes, Brian Ben Ben. Like at any point, I just thought she was going to see an old Three Stooges clip. Hey, you knucklehead!

So let's just get you, you know, catch up on the giant plot. Basically Ellen Brody still lives in Amity, and her husband Roy Scheider apparently died from the fear of sharks. So he had the anxiety that he had that another shark attack would come has given him a heart attack. Which by the way is such a kick in the nuts to the triumphant ending of Jaws where Roy Scheider triumphs over his fear of the water, which is what his, that whole movie is, Roy

Scheider is afraid of the water, right? He doesn't want to go in, he doesn't, he's afraid, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the movie ends with him alone. He is the lone survivor. He has this major triumph. And then this movie is like, yeah, but he was a big scared pussy for the rest of his life. He died of fear.

Well, I want to just, I just want to say that- I prefer he was eaten by a shark. I do. Well, you thought, you kept on saying that it was eaten by a shark. I do well you thought he came you kept on saying that He was eaten by a shark I want to just even say if we want to put jaws to in canon Roy Schneider's in that movie, too And yes, yeah contractually. He was forced to do it and he really hated it But he also defeats another shark in that and he like that coming back. You're not scared of shark Yeah, exactly

So he's had two great bouts with a shark, and then a couple years later, he's like, oh, the fear. And he has a heart attack. Mental illness is a real thing. It is a real thing. It is very true. The rest of the show is going to be dedicated to talking about mental illness in a very, very way.

A very open, honest discussion. So basically, they're living in this town. Ellen Brody, the wife of Roy Schneider, has a son who's there who's now the deputy. Deputy sheriff or whatever, yeah. And he gets called one night to go out to the middle of the bay to clear a log that's bothering a buoy.

Yeah, right. And by the way. He's also 11 years old. Right. And the one thing I did like in the beginning of this movie is it's Christmas. I love that. So it's winter. I love that too, yeah. So I did like in the beginning of this movie is it's Christmas Yeah, I love that too. Yeah, so I was like oh, they're gonna do a Jaws movie in winter How's that gonna work by the way? I like any Christmas movie? I mean like you know die-hard lethal weapon

It's like yeah Santa Claus Santa Claus the movie No, but I mean like I always think that's a good backdrop for like an action movie or something You know right and this they don't really pay off on Christmas at all. Although I was obsessed with the pageant they were getting ready for the Town Square Christmas Festival. I just don't understand the job requirements of the deputy of Amity that he has to get in boats all the time and take care of buoys out there. That's not really police work.

But anyway, he goes out to fish out this buoy, and at which point- I just have to ask, why is it a bob-a-bouy? Nailed it, actually, nailed it. Yeah! It's a bobbing buoy. It's a bobbing buoy. It's a fuh-fuh-fuh-fuh-y. And so he goes to fish it out, and Jaws, the Jaws,

I'm gonna call him the Jaws, is hanging out there waiting for him. And the minute he leans a little bit overboard, the worst directed action sequence of all time. That is the thing about this, is like, I looked up like the director, and he's not really an action film director. How did he get this job? It was like they combined four different shots, very disparate shots that don't really connect.

What happened that all of a sudden he's missing an arm? It's like, oh, my arm! Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's truly... You never see the impact of it. There's no connection between any of those shots. Did they not get the shot?

Yeah. They clearly did. They must have. But because every... They just don't know. I felt like shot construction in all of the action sequences made no sense. And that's why you're like, is this a real movie? Because it looks so cheap.

By the way, the shark in this movie very rarely attacks underwater. He's jumping out. He's always out of the water. Sometimes out of the water and still. Just for a couple of beats. Fully out of the water. Sometimes out of the water and still. Just for a couple of beats. If you go on the Universal Studios tour and you go on the tram past the Jaws shark that jumps out of the water, that is more realistic than the shark that's in the movie. I have more respect for that terrible ride and attraction at Universal Studios now.

I'm like that is scarier than this movie. The thing that we're forgetting is as his arm is eaten off, right? Yes. There is instantaneously an amount of blood in the water that is preposterous. It is as if an entire human body's worth of blood has fallen out of his arm instantly. Like they cut him open and just hung him out there. He then falls into the boat, looks at his arm, and starts going, no! His acting performance is as if to say,

wait, what's going on? Well, when he first falls in, when he first falls into frame, he actually has a reaction that's like, oh, I mean I made it I'm okay okay that was a face to face with the shark yeah and he sort of looks to the side and realize that his arm is completely gone yes that shocked Scooby-Doo moment by completely gone Zoinks? And by completely gone, you mean pulled out

of the sleeve of his jacket and tucked behind his arm. It looks like a bad Halloween costume. Like, oh, I don't have an arm. It's like what your grandparents would be like, oh, I'm missing. Yeah. It looks like his arm is tucked behind his back. He's screaming in pain. And then he decides.

Does the script literally say, ow, my arm? Is that actual dialogue that somebody wrote down? Well, if they did, he delivered it with a palm. And then he goes, oh, my arm's missing. Let me go stick my head to see what that was. Sticks his head over the boat, and then the shark just eats. From what it looks like, he eats the side of the boat. So he's a part of that thing.

It's amazing, too, because the way he falls into frame, he must not have felt that arm get eaten off at all. There must have been no sensation. Guys, he's probably in shock. You know what? He's probably in shock. He's probably in shock. He's probably in shock.

He's probably just as confused, because he didn't understand the shock construction either. He's like, what just happened? Oh! Oh! Oh! I guess that's what the prop guy was doing. It's more clearly constructed when

the plant in Little Shop of Horrors eats people. That is a very clear thing. You know, you see like, oh I'm gonna go check out this weird plant chomp chomp. He's also screaming in pain. Screaming. And the reason I know I can hear him is because? Oh, is because there's Christmas carolers on the shore. And they've needed a lot of work to get that song together. By the way, there's, I mean, maybe ten Christmas carolers on the shore. And they've needed a lot of work to get that song together.

By the way, there's maybe 10 Christmas carolers, but they are so loud. It is intercut, so it's like, ah, my arm! Go on further. Go on further. Ah! By the way, guys, really good singing. Yeah, we really nailed it.

They're all singing different songs. You're welcome, listeners. Which all sets up the most insane premise of all time. Cause when the mom finds out that her son was killed by a shark, she goes, it's revenge. The shark was waiting for him. Which makes no sense because they fucking killed the shark. But it gives us the tagline, this time it's personal.

But wait a second, listen to this though this this truly blew my mind when it happened I was like so wait a minute does that mean the shark put the log on the buoy to lure him out? Yes, yes, that's when I was like this movie is unbelievable But the shark also knew that the Coast Guard was busy. Yes. Yes, they had a lot of work going on So I don't know probably he probably distracted the Coast Guard and then he put the log in the buoy and he's like this fucker He's gonna come out here and guess what? Manipulative it's smart. It's a it's a it's a sociopath this shark is so smart that, I mean, not to jump ahead, but that's- How smart is it?

That when they decide to travel, he finds out about their travel plans and is able to meet them in the Bahamas. He doesn't even, he goes from Amity, which is kind of like a Markers Vineyard, to the Bahamas quicker than an airplane can go. Within a day's time. But no one is talking about it.

This shark is like bugged their house, but back to the house because again, it's revenge, but no one ever goes to the mom. What the fuck are you talking about? He killed those two sharks. No one explains, because I guess in my mind she's like, well maybe the Jaws shark from the first movie told his babies that, like, this guy was after him.

Like, I mean, there's no communication. That's true. Jaws ends with a dead shark. Yes. Jaws 2 ends with a dead shark. And there was no thought of Jaws 2 being a shark that was, like, related to the first one. Maybe it's sort of solidarity between all sharks.

Yeah, maybe it's like, maybe it's like, uh, uh, Carl Young's, the collective unconscious for sharks. So like the, the, the, the Brody family has imprinted on the first jaws and has now, but thus become part of the great white shark collective unconscious and they know we gotta get rid of those fuckers because they're coming for us. So we're to understand though that the Brody family, the only way a shark dies in their world is from a Brody family member. And the sharks are so attracted to the Brody family that even when they see other people

like, fuck it, we're going for the Brodies, not anybody else, they're able to distinguish through smell? I guess. I guess they can smell their blood. Fuck it, we're going for the Brody's, not anybody else. They're able to distinguish through smell? I guess. I guess they can smell their blood. Well, now. I love the resign. I guess they can smell their blood.

I guess that's it, it's the only logical conclusion. I guess I'm over, I can't. I do wanna just play this because I think it's important to just kind of, these are questions obviously about how this makes sense. This is from YouTube. This clip was the original voiceover narration that started the movie. And I think that this is the director just going,

I don't fucking know. And they took it out, but this is the original way the movie was supposed to start. This is true, here we go. supposed to start this is true here you go here it goes it's time immemorial events have taken place with no evident reason for the happening such phenomena has been man's dilemma and the subject of constant philosophical discussion when there is no factor motivating an event no It is awesome. So basically, yeah. Circumstances or fate was basically yeah, okay first of all it's essentially the same introduction to Magnolia

These strange things happen all the time PT Anderson steals. Yeah, so But I guess now I'm understanding that is the quit that was supposed to be the question for us Sometimes circumstances make absolutely no sense like the movie you're about to see here are a couple of options of what might be going on I don't have an answer for you Could you imagine a studio executive watching that movie? Random occurrences a series of unrelated people a shark a lightning storm boats Essentially free association yeah, it might as well be. How did this come in? How did this come in? This is the little kid, the little kid in this movie

who's really rambunctious. Thea? Thea. This is her coming into, they just found out that her uncle is dead, and here you go. Uncle Sean is dead, you know. Will he ever come back? We'll talk about that some more later.

Would you like something to eat? I had a hamburger on the plane. Oh. Well, you can do better than that. How would you like something to eat? I had a hamburger on the plane. Oh. Would you do better than that? How would you like a funny bone sandwich? What? Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe And by the way, that's all ADR'd. You never see that kid. That scene was all like, someone's like, yeah, we need to add in more about this. So that means that they had extra time to figure out exactly what the dialogue should be.

Yeah. They had some time. We gotta talk about what she had on the air. She had a hamburger. She doesn't need a funny bones. What the fuck is a funny bone sandwich? I'm assuming that was like a dude tickling the girl or something like that.

Oh, OK. But she did respond by she had a hamburger Well, it is crazy the way grief is dealt with in this movie because the Sun dies I guess right before Christmas time yes Yeah, which is the worst time for your son to die of course yes terrible and then they celebrate Christmas in the Bahamas I celebrate Christmas in the Bahamas by New Year's which is we all know very close to Christmas It's not a week later. It's about a week later. It's about a week later. And Michael Caine's on the beach with Grandma telling her that it's about time she move

on. Her son has been dead for one week. And he was eaten by a shark. And by the way, there's a history of that happening. Yes. And it's about time to move on. And by the way, the big plan in this movie is she's really afraid of water, doesn't want to go get water, and her other son who comes back to visit for Christmas is like, you know what, let's go down to the Bahamas and let's take you to another more water island.

Maybe go somewhere landlocked. Yeah. Oh, you know what we should do We are in the middle of winter in New England where almost nobody's gonna be on the water, right? Yes, so let's stay here No, no, no, no, you know what we should do. Let's go to the sunny Bahamas where I work as an oceanographer My daughter I live at the end of a dog my daughter swings out over the ocean My wife makes steel art of sharks of sharks and let's just go someplace where these tons more out over the ocean. My wife makes steel art of sharks. Of sharks.

And let's just go someplace with these tons more water and the sharks are definitely gonna be there. And I should tell you, my brother-in-law is dating a shark. Yeah. This movie is insane. It's insane. Because also we haven't even talked about the fact

that Mrs. Brody has what Spider-Man has is a spidey sense She has a shark sense. Oh, yeah, so when the shark is close by she's like, oh, oh And she starts out like a flash into the shark and then again to add to her bipolar in this she's like Oh shark is nearby and she's gonna go start dancing. Yes start dancing again Like she's at a little party with Michael Caine by dancing to a wonderful song by the Jets Which I had not heard in forever just to date this movie is that song it goes you've got it all over It's like who remembers that song It was upsetting to hear that again. We've had a lot of really upsetting line where she says her oldest son first

She apologizes about thinking I have this on tape if you want to hear that again. We've had a lot of- There's a really upsetting line where she says to her oldest son, first she apologizes about thinking- Ooh, I have this on tape if you wanna hear it. Okay. Can we play the mom clip? I believe that's clip three. I've been a pain in the ass and I'm sorry. I'm not gonna bother you anymore about your work. You're not a pain in the ass.

Come on, let me finish. I've been rehearsing this all day. Hey. Your brother's death almost killed me, I don't know. I'll never get out of here. Okay, wait, we gotta stop it for a second. Don't. Ah! Ah!

Okay, the brother died, it's New Year's Eve. It's two weeks later. Two weeks ago. Barely. Suddenly. Barely. Barely two weeks. Suddenly, the prime of his life. He's dead.

She delivers that line like it's a joke. Yeah. It's like, so your brother's death almost killed me. But it's such a throwaway. It's so insane. Yeah, and this is, by the way, this is how she's been rehearsing it. Yes.

She's been rehearsing it all day to deliver it. Your brother's death almost killed me. To deliver it with. Your brother's death almost. Your brother's death almost killed me. No, that's too emotional. I need to throw it away more. Your brother's death almost killed me. Anyway, I's too emotional. I need to throw it away more. Your brother's death almost killed me.

Anyway, I'm sorry to be a pain in the ass. I'm going to leave you alone. I'm in love with this new guy and we're having a great time in the Bahamas. By the way, Hoagie, don't really understand what Hoagie does. Hoagie is Michael Caine's character. Oh yeah, we haven't even told you. So you meet Hoagie. Who has one of the creepiest introductions of all time?

Because the little girl and they're flying down there and the little girl's like I would like to fly the plane and he says something like I wrote it down like I said yeah I let I sometimes let interesting people sit on my lap and then he like took that girl I don't know I thought that was creepy that he says hello I'm Michael Caine Michael Caine missed out on receiving an Academy Award for Hannah and her sisters for the reshoot of the ending, which still makes no sense! Oh yeah, the reshoot of the ending! Because then, because you sent the original ending.

Yes, the original ending is online, we'll post it up on the website. Just as incomprehensible as, the ending of this film, it's, for some reason, like I imagine they, this is a big studio movie. This is the ending of the movie. They shot a lot of footage. $20 million movie back in 1989. That's a big thing. It's like a $100 million movie now. And in 10 years, it's like a $400 million movie.

And in like 30 years, it's like an eight Google million dollar movie. I mean, guys, we're talking about a big, expensive movie. I mean, we get all... We all know. We all know it takes money to make money. That's what these guys were doing. But the ending. So they've shot a big expensive movie. I mean, we get all... We all know. We all know. We all know it takes money to make money. That's what these guys were doing. No, but the ending, so they've shot a lot of footage.

What footage they had, they decided to essentially run through iMovie, like an early primitive version of iMovie, putting strobe effects on it. It's like they had a video toaster and like, with like bad Dutch angles and like, oh, we have great footage. Let's just mess it up so no one can see. If you're Michael Caine and you see this movie, which he famously has not seen the movie, he is, one of his quotes is, he goes, I've never seen it, but by all accounts it's terrible. However, I've seen the house that it built and it's terrific.

But if you were to see that movie, you're like, I missed getting an Academy Award for this, for this ending. That makes no sense. Holy shit, it makes no sense. This ending is wild. And they could have cut the ending, they could have cut the ending they used in this movie with all the same footage from the original ending.

It's not that different. It's basically, instead of the shark getting shot, a boat goes into the shark. Well, but doesn't the same thing, isn't the same thing in the ending this time? Well, basically, the idea is... She runs the boat into the shark. Yes. And then the shark explodes. Yes. Right. Not like explodes, but like explodes. It explodes. For no good reason. No good reason. I guess I went online and I read about it. Apparently Mario Van Peebles was shooting an electrical impulse bomb in his belly. Well I thought they were just, I thought that was just messing with his mind. That's what I thought too. Because Michael, the character

Michael keeps pushing the flat, it's all built on flashlights, by the way, guys. Yeah, it's all flashlights. Mario Van Peebles is like a MacGyver precursor, who is like, wait, I can build a bomb out of a flashlight, or whatever. They have a strobe light. They have a strobe light, and it's bothering the shark. It's irritating. It's, yeah, it's not.

And the shark, meanwhile, it does, shark does what every, everything, every underwater animal does when it's in pain. It pokes its head out of the water and screams out in pain Right because it's normal because what it needs to shark roar Yeah, what it needs to do is it needs to yes poke its head out of the water take a deep breath Yeah, and then scream and expel the air Totally normal.

Just let it out. Totally normal. Roger Ebert, this is how he described it at the ending. He goes, I can't believe that the director Joseph Sargent would film the final climactic scene so incompetently. There's not even an establishing shot. So we have to figure out what happened on the basis of empirical evidence. Oh my God, that's amazing.

Well, I'm also confused about why she went out there on the boat. What happens before that is her granddaughter is out on a banana boat and the shark comes out of the water. Basically the whole movie of Ellen Brody is trying to stop everyone from getting in that water. They should call it don't get on the boat. Yeah. Yeah.

So the shark goes after the granddaughter. She narrowly escapes, but an innocent bystander is eaten. Other people are repeatedly being killed, which nobody seems to care about. No one cares about that person engulfed by the shark and killed in front of everyone on the beach. They're like, ah, who cares about her as long as that little girl didn't get killed in the banana. When a little girl doesn't get killed, there's tons of reaction shots from bystanders of relief. But another person was eating. Another person is being eaten alive in front of you, screaming in pain.

The trauma of every single person on that beach watching some person be eaten must be massive but... Oh my god, to stand there helpless. Yes. While someone is being eaten by a shark. Like on, like 10 feet from shore. Yeah, they're all in shallow water. Oh yeah.

By the way, for a shark that's so after the Brody family, he kind of takes a pass on that banana boat person. Oh yeah. He knocks off that person, he's like, ah, I'll eat this person. Who's the other person the shark eats? There's another random that the shark eats. Oh, um.

Well, the shark eats Jake at the end. Well, does he? I mean, but no, there was another random, right? In the beginning. There was an earlier random, I feel like. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot of flashbacks to sharks eating, but not really eating.

Well, anyway, after Thea narrowly escapes on the banana boat, the grandma gets this crazy look in her eyes, takes over a boat that's just sort of nearby? No, it's Jake's boat. Oh, it is Jake's boat. Oh, it is Jake's boat. Okay, I didn't realize that. Which just happens to be docked two feet away from the shark. Okay, fine.

So she takes that boat and goes out into the water, but my question is, what was her plan? Well, does she have previous boating experience? I think so. Does she have previous boating experience? I get it. It's a family business, but. I I think so. Does she have previous boating experience? I get it, it's a family business, but I mean. I'm assuming so. I would kind of buy that part of it, although it's a large sailboat. It's not like a ship.

It's not like a skiff. It's not a speedboat. It's a big vessel. It's a big vessel. And it seems like she's going out there, I mean, I guess you'd be like, okay, motherfucker, bring it on. Let's bring it on on because you really want me you're attacking my family so you want me but that's my question why does the shark really want her because it remembers Roy Scheider and it's like you killed my father or you

killed my father shark in terms of bloodline if if the sharks can smell the bloodline she actually has no connection to her. Here's, okay, this is what I think you have to think of it as, very simply. I think the Jaws series is, might as well be the Jaws family and the Brody's as the Hatfields and McCool. Ooh, I like that. Every generation. Cappy, Letts, and Montague.

Every generation continues the blood feud. But I would argue though that the Jaws family doesn't really go tit for tat because they killed their son and they're like, no, we want to kill your whole family. And that's why it's confusing that she goes to sacrifice herself. Well, she's not sacrificing herself. I don't think she's sacrificing herself. I think she's like, all right, motherfucker, let's do this. Really? I think she's like, you want to go? Let's let's do this really I know she's like you want to go let's go I think when the shark is coming at her she stands at the edge of the boat and is like come on Like I feel like it's like she's going to like let the jaws get her

That's what I felt a little suicide mission of the younger generation. Yeah, that's what it felt like now meanwhile You go away you couldn't find your ass with both hands. That's fair, man. You go away, you leave me high and dry, do all the work by myself, you come back acting like a zombie, it's Christmas Eve, we're working overtime because of you! Hey!

I'm sorry about your brother. Just, okay. And then, and then he proceeds, they're screaming at each other. He's like, you haven't been the same since you've come back from your brother's death. And then- His death was at this point days ago.

Days ago, yeah. And then he just- Days ago. And then the way that he, you see that scene, and that scene continues with him going, no, no, no. And then Meryl Van Peebles picks him up over his shoulders and gives him like kind of like a WWF kind of like hug wrestle move like

But Meryl van Peebles said that he wrote his own role and it's I mean it makes sense because his character makes no sense Nothing to do with the rest of the movie Yeah, nothing to do. I mean these people also love to tempt fate. It's like fucking giant ass shark in the water That's the thing. I just kept thinking, really, why don't you guys get out of the shark business? Sure. Just stop with the sharks. I also hate to come back to this, but it's like, you know,

I kind of want to say, the brother, take the week off. Yeah. It's Christmas. It's Christmas. It's Christmas time. He's got to tag these snails. That, by the way, is his job. His's gotta tag these snails. You lost your brother days earlier. His job is to tag snails.

Now you would also argue, this is what I would say, the brother went to Amity to visit his mom for Christmas break and then he brought her to Jamaica. Like he was already off. He was already off. Like his brother brother didn't die. I would imagine they would spend that week in Amity. He's a workaholic.

He's a workaholic, he can't stop. Well his wife can't stop making that amazing art sculpture that she made. What the shit is what? He's a workaholic. He's a workaholic. He can't stop. Well, his wife can't stop making that amazing art sculpture that she is. What the shit is that? I was obsessed with her character. What the shit is that? She was the most sour, uninteresting, unlikable. Could she be Banksy?

That's my question. She makes the most bizarre sculptures. The sister-in-law also has a very strange and strained relationship with her husband. Yeah, that's all sort of it. Because they have a lot of sex though. Yeah, they have sex a lot in this movie. And she's hoping that that goes on for a while. She tells her mother-in-law.

Yes. Creepy. Which I thought was weird. It was very weird. Right? Talking about having sex with this woman's son. It's weird in general. It's particularly weird in the context of this movie

Yeah, why is that a conversation that happens? Well, there's also like a weird sex scene with the blowtorch where he's like, yeah They're arguing about who takes out the trash Then she threatens him with a blowtorch and then they start like just fucking in the garage He says I've never made love to an angry welder. Yeah, and then they just make love and by the way what? welder yeah and then they just make love and by the way what has It's a fantasy for a lot of people oh I have been I mean my entire online

That's like my entire online dating profiles. Just looking for an angry welder You'd be surprised I get a lot of a lot of emails from very happy welders And I'm not interested not in by the way though you need you need the girl from flashdance By the way though, you need the girl from Flashdance. That's who you need. What is up with the mom in the sculpture? Because they go, oh yeah, this is so and so sculpture. And the mom looks at it and stares at it like... It looks like a shark. It looks like a shark, Paul.

There's actually a shot of her in the shark's mouth. I thought that was like... One of the most artistic shots I've ever seen. What it is, is it's cinema at work. I couldn't pull the clip for it because it was, it was just too convoluted and you really need to see it, but at the end of the movie, the daughter-in-law is getting a, her art is gonna be displayed on the beach,

and there's just like a guy, like the mayor. A dream for any artist. Oh, of course. A dream for any artist. To get your art. She's arrived. She's really arrived. Oh my work? Well you can see it on the beach. I remember you know seeing pictures in art form of Warhol and Basquiat's very famous show. Oh yes. They're by the beach. So we understand though that the grandmother has not had sex with anyone since Roche.

Yes, since Roche. Since Roche Schneider died. That's a long time. Well we don't know though. When Druss 2 came out in 79. So I would say yeah, she's about. It's been about 10 years. Yeah, about 10 years.

About 10 years. 10 years, give or take. Wow. Hey, I've done that. No big deal. Cause she's having, cause that's the thing is she and her daughter-in-law are having a sex talk because Michael Caine kissed her Yes, like he didn't know what to do. Well, you had a couple of kids

So you pretty much know what to do, you know Once you start kissing then it's time to well know this trip to the bone zone. Well, you gotta open up the bones Laura but this the mom also says mom doesn't know what to do in a lot of situations She goes let's put our feet up and shoot the breeze or whatever beer drinkers do yeah, that was one of her lines I'd say because I think of cheers like all the all the episodes where norm and cliff just have their feet up and they're just Shooting the breeze whatever beer drinkers do beer drink it That is like you would argue the most common thing like I don't know what you beer drinkers do I'm just gonna let's have fun and chat.

How does this go big? How does this go big? I have a very real question to ask, okay, because the mom tells Michael, the only surviving son, okay? Her husband has died due to shark-related fear. Her son, mere days ago, was eaten by a great white shark, right? She tells the son, Michael,. Her son, mere days ago, was eaten by a Great White Shark. Right? She tells the son, Michael, the surviving son, it's coming after us. This shark is coming after us. Okay?

Mom, there's never been a Great White in the Bahamas. Nope. There's no Great Whites in the Bahamas come to the Bahamas. They go to the Bahamas. Michael, while out doing his oceanography, sees and is attacked by a Great white shark, tells no one. Doesn't tell anybody that this is great. Got to keep it a secret. Knowing that she's got some shark-related issues. And knowing that she might be right at this point. He should be like, oh shit, I now have evidence, yes, that shark is here, it attacked me.

There is a death in the family of shark-related fear, it is in the DSM, it is real. And he doesn't say a thing. And basically Mario Van Peebles is like, we need to study this. And he's like, cool man, as long as we can keep tagging the conch shells that I'm doing. Oh by the way, is that the scene where they're having this big emotional discussion and the director's like, hey, why don't you just drum on the deck like this the entire time, just so we can make the exposition even harder for us to understand. He literally keeps one of the guys in the boat drumming for no reason, just drumming

hard on the deck. It would have been less distracting if they had one of those guys that plays a bucket in the subway, like at the beginning of Serent Live in the 90s. Oh no, no, no, like literally buckets. Literally a bucket. One of those bucket drummers was where you bang really loud on drumsticks with a bucket. I'll ask again, why were those guys there?

I don't know. They didn't seem to have that much. No, no, no, they were there to put the bloody meat in the water. Oh, that's true. They did do that. They were the chum throwers. By the way, I did like the Mac, the-

The chum throwers, I saw them with the Mighty Mighty Boss tones. They were fantastic. Really good. And dropkick Murphys? Yeah. Such a good bill. They have a really good dancer. Such a good bill. I saw them with the mighty mighty boss So the other thing about this movie too is that every human in this movie is like that gum or like those like fruit things A gushers because whenever they get bitten into it's like Like blood does explode

I got I got a good deal on squibs. We're solid on Squibs this entire production. They spend all their money on Squibs. And it's just, I mean, that's the thing. Anything that happens to anyone, like the woman who gets eaten off of the banana boat, there is, this is amazing, she gets pulled off of the back of the banana boat into the water, right? There is an absurd amount of blood. And then they have a shot of the banana boat getting away,

and everybody that's still on it, Thea, another little girl, and another adult, are covered in blood. Are like, they're like, carry at the end of the prom. It is insane. That is to say, like, we are just human bags of blood, like water balloons of blood. Ready to just explode. The one thing, if you could say this, human bags of blood, like water balloons of blood.

Ready to just explode. Yeah. The one thing, if you could say this director added anything to the art of cinema is... Which you can't. Ah, is the art of the silent scream. There are so many, like no sound, just slow motion, silent, like,

I can't do it for you because you wouldn't be able to see or hear it. It's not an inherently visual medium. Yes, but it's a slow motion silent scream that is amazing and they really are lengthening out those scenes. The director of this movie did, did the director of this movie do

the taking of the Pelham 123? No. I'm gonna take it, his name is Joseph Sargent. I think he, I don't know why I have that in my head. Cause that's a great movie. Yeah, it's one of the best. No, no, the taking of the Pelham one, two, three... You're talking about the remake, right? No, no, no. No, the remake, because that's great. The originals, whatever. But the remake... You know what, you might... Yes, he did. He directed it. No. Okay, so here's what's fascinating. I don't want to

spoil it. Because that's also Robert Shaw. Yeah. Robert Shaw also in the taking of the Pelham one, two, three. If you've never seen The Taking of the Pelham 123, I don't want to spoil it. I would just say it does have perhaps the greatest ending of any movie ever. It's just got this great moment at the end and this movie has the worst ending of any movie ever. The worst. And it's reshot. It was reshot to make it better.

How did this get? Oh my God. What? That is mind boggling. And that is a slow, patient, quiet movie. That is an amazing movie. It's great. This movie, on the other hand, was nominated for worst actor, being the shark. How many razzes?

Yeah, actor, actress, screenplay, director, special effects, and picture. Those are all nominations. The shark won best Where's the shark show up to collect his razz? I think it's I think it's fun when they do the razzie awards that people have a sense of humor about it They go I know Sandra Bullock when Sandy did that I call her Sandy Yeah, Sandy did that and she has asked you not to Yeah, of course. Sandy did that and she's like, hey.

She has asked you not to. You know what? We're fine. It's fine. It is not fine. I want to reveal two things here. We have the number one Jaws fan, self-proclaimed, Jonathan Koval, emailed me this week with some facts that he thought might be interesting and I want to tell them to you.

The novelization of Jaws 4 suggests the shark may be acting under the influence of a vengeful voodoo priest who had a feud with the Brody family. And the shark's apparent revenge has magical implications. Therefore, the witch doctor is the revenge and the shark is his tool. This also explains the strange psychic connection Ellen and the shark have. And the Michael Brody line, come on, sharks don't commit commit murder tell me you don't believe in that voodoo no one can confirm if this subplot was ever filmed or not would have loved to have seen that on the screen just to giggle my balls off at I would have loved the element that the brother maybe pissed off a voodoo priest that would have

worked you know what else I love you know what else I would kind of love is that at some point somebody was like, oh, well, you know, we obviously have this whole voodoo storyline and somebody was like, you know what? That's not believable in this movie. Let's just make them just go out. That might be just too much. So let's just go with what we're going to go with,

which is nothing makes sense. Here is another... Well, you know what? Put a voiceover on it. We'll fix it with a voiceover. But you know what? That voiceover is bad. Let's take it out. In the early drafts of the novelization, Hoagie is the island's drug runner.

Hence the mystery surrounding his occupation. Why the hell can he afford another plane at the end? And Michael's line, what do you do when you're not flying people? To which Hoagie replies, I deliver laundry. Yeah. I deliver laundry. Oh, that's true too because Michael also asks Jack, Mario Van Peebles' character, when they find, this is crazy, they find the shark, right?

This is presumably the shark that ate Michael's brother. It is a shark that has already attacked Michael and Jack on the boat. They find it and are following it. They're tracking the shark, right? They're literally following a murderous shark and Michael is instead being like, hey, Jack, what do you know about Hoagie? How does he make his money? He's after my mom. I don't know. I mean, a lot of people are running drugs down here. Like, they're having a conversation about Hoagie and there is like, that's the shark that killed your brother, bro. Yeah, I

Mean, I don't know. Maybe this film could have benefited from a cocaine based subplot Both those things work really well for this movie voodoo's and cocaine Did anyone understand what happened what the action was when the plane flew down? To get the shark away from... Oh you mean when Michael Caine landed a non-sea plane on the sea? Yeah. And it didn't break up at all. He's like, Sully Sullenberger over here.

He did just fine. What a propeller plane too. Previous to landing the plane on the ocean, they're flying around and Michael goes, Can't this thing go any faster? And I'm like, it's a fucking plane, bro. You're going pretty fast. Unless you can jump into an F-16, you're going to be going pretty at a pretty good rate. But did the plane clip the shark?

Nope. What happened? They're just trying to get close to the mom. You thought they were trying to scare away the shark. They were just trying to land. So that they could get to the boat to save the mom. And basically, yeah, gosh. Obviously we did not like this movie, but there are some people that have another opinion.

It is time for our second opinion. These are reviews cold from Amazon. I only have two. One is pretty amazing, but this one's written by Jeremy Fluck, and he says this is one of my favorite movies ever. Even more than the original Jaws. Many people have... Classic Fluck. Classic Fluck. Classic. To many people who have really no idea the true meaning of movies, which is to just entertain and give us an escape from reality They criticize movies like this for not being perfectly made Well, haven't people noticed society isn't really perfect and a little cheesy too

My praise for the makers of this movie an underrated touching movie Wow, you know what based on that you should stop doing this pot. I know that's it. What the fuck Here is my favorite review of all time though, this is from Kenneth rap So bear with me for a second cuz a little lengthy jaws the revenge is a complex story of a great white Struggling with its sexuality being oppressed in his hometown Less about jaws the revenge or more about this guy Being oppressed in his hometown. Wait a second. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Do you like this review? Less about Jaws of Revenge and more about this guy. I'm gonna need you to start this over.

Jaws of Revenge is a complex story of a great white struggling with his sexuality. Being oppressed in his hometown of Amity, the shark decides to go on vacation to the Bahamas to me I always thought he should have gone to Fire Island But what do I know there he meets an attractive dark man played by Mario van Bevels and falls in love But to his dismay Mrs. Brody shows up and decides that his romance is forbidden and she must put a stop to it I don't want to ruin the ending but this poor shark does not get to realize his dream Of being on Project Oneway. But it was a great review of what it could have been. I'd love to read the other Amazon reviews that this person has written. So Kenneth Rap

definitely has a different take on it and I appreciate that. Good job, Kenny Rap. Anything that we did not cover, anything that is worth mentioning? Will there be a Jaws 5? We'll see. Well, H1 made less and less money. That's the interesting thing about the history of Jaws. The first one obviously, one of the... Huge hit. It changed how movies are made and released. It was like the first blockbuster. The first blockbuster, yes. And then Jaws 2 made less money and Jaws 3 made less money and this made less money. You would figure when they got to Jaws 3 they would have seen the diminishing returns No, they were trying to get one more one more out of there. Just try it and that was it then they stopped and they stopped

Um, I would highly recommend that you do watch this movie. It is it's only 88 minutes It's perfectly enjoyable and it's just like our one of our other favorite movies called 88 Minutes. Oh yes, classic. Would you guys recommend it? Yes, absolutely. Oh, it's terrific. All right, well I feel like we have covered everything that is for Jaws. You can leave us comments, questions, rate,

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