How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Ninja III: The Domination

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

Paul, June, and Jason discuss the 1984 martial arts action horror film Ninja III: The Domination. They talk about the V8 sex scene, aerobics, ninja possessions, and more. Plus, Paul shares his childhood V8 recipe. (Originally Released 06/05/2020) HDTGM is coming to Chicago & Minneapolis Nov 8-11th! Go to hdtgm.com for tix and info.For more Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

This episode will be as smooth and sexy as warm, concentrated tomato juice pouring down the bosom of the one that you love. We saw Ninja 3, so you know what that means. Hello people of earth. It is I tall john cheer and welcome to how did this get made. We are still in our quarantine with you tonight talking about Ninja 3, the domination, the third in the Ninja series that has no relation to the previous two. If you've not seen the movie, I recommend you stop what you're doing right now and watch it immediately. But if you need a little cliff notes, I'll tell you this. A world famous ninja or deadly ninja, I should say, goes on a murderous rampage and then

transfers his spirit into the body of a telephone worker who then goes out to avenge all the people that killed him. Anyway, we got a lot to unpack and we're going to do it with my two amazing coast. Please welcome Mr. Jason Manzook, because how are you Jason? Wow. Paul, I'm not going to lie. This was pretty wild. This was some next level crazy. This was basically like watching, um, this was essentially like watching a ninja movie flash dance and the exorcist all at the same time. And I have to report, I am here for all of it. I 100% agree with you. When I saw the Canon group logo appear on screen, I was like, Oh, hello, old friend. I can't wait for whatever you've

hooked up because it's going to be true. wrote it down. Canon exclamation point in my notes. Oh, I'm so excited. And I wanna now introduce my other co-host. Please welcome June Diane Reffield. How are you June? I'm doing okay, Paul. I really am. I'm doing okay.

How are you? I'm doing fine. Thank you for asking. You know, you said something that I thought was really telling in the middle of this film. You turned to me and said, I like this movie. I, Jason, I'm so happy to see you by the way. I see Paul. I'm so happy to see you.

Um, over this, not to break the fourth wall, but we are on a Zoom call all looking at each other. Although, Paul, your eye line has been really weird. You're staring straight ahead. I'm talking into my microphone. I'm talking into my microphone. Oh, I see. Okay, smart.

I was so nervous when I saw the opening titles. And like you, Jason, I was here for all of it, the insanity, the hair, the carpeted gyms. The neon light in her apartment. Okay, it could spend roughly five hours on her apartment alone. By the way, let's start doing episodes of this, bonus episodes of this podcast where we just go through being by beauty by beauty.

Honestly, Jason, I want to go frame by frame. Why wasn't I could talk for an hour simply about the gigantic vent, spinning vent that is meant to be outdoors that is a top per free. I mean, there's a question. Here's my question. Yes. Okay. That space. We cannot call it a living quarters.

It was fashion to be a, I thought the woman who were first introduced to you, I mean, I know we're jumping all over the place, was her roommate, but I don't think it was. I think she was the only person living there. Yeah. I mean, my question is like, what is the, what is the use of that space supposed to be? Is that a commercial space? Is that a boiler room? I believe she lives in like a discarded airplane hangar.

It's so large. She is living in such a large place and June pointed out something to me that I could never take my eyes off of once I saw it, which was in her bathroom across from her shower, there was a demented, like half mutated baby coming out of a bloody crib. Really? Yes, like a doll. Is there any way we could pull that up to look at it altogether, Paul? I mean, I feel that the people at home won't get a chance to see it.

I just need to see it again. There was this not since look who's talking to when we were or whatever the look who's talking was that we became obsessed with all the set decoration, the basket on the wall. Well, action Jackson to not since then have I been so consumed with. Oh, what did they do? What there is so much neon, it was like really, I mean, when they say they were like, do flash dance times 10. Yeah. You know, because it felt like that industrial space, there's school lockers. It's like, it basically feels like a big, open, loft space.

By the way, I just want to let you guys know that this actress who is the star of this film was the star of breaking and breaking too. Oh, yes. So, they definitely knew that she was going to come in and do this. She's going to come correct. Yeah, she's going to come correct and they know they have to give her a little bit of dancing time. Oh my God, there it is.

Okay, now what am I looking at here? You're looking at a demented baby. I've just pulled up the demented baby coming bit of dancing time. Oh my God, there it is. Okay, now what am I looking at here? You're looking at a demented baby. I've just pulled up the demented baby coming out of a crib. Now as I've paused it, it's a demented baby coming out of a chair it looks like and it's underneath a tuba. Like a tuba. Next to a mini couch that looks like a five radiator. And a tiny radiator.

Do you know how a big a radiator would have to be to fill the space that she lives in? And the crazy thing about this space is there's, again, we're staring at cement blocks. It's all different shades. It's mainly different shades of gray. But then there were also giant plants everywhere. The, her living space was,

I only want to talk about her living space. Also, why did she bring Billy the cop back here and take a shower and come out and seduce him? Well, I think that he grew up with us. I have so many plot questions that I need to ask that are like I do want to, I could continue to talk about her living space for conservatively six hours. But I really wanna know, like, what is this movie about? Who are the heroes? Who are the villains?

Like, what is the story? Also, we never find out, I loved the opening sequence in which the ninja- Love it. During the day. Love it. Very rare. Very rare. Very rare. Very rare. opening sequence in which the ninja loved it. During the day, I love it. Very rare.

Ninja very rare. Very rare. And it's very rare. Fascinating. When I saw ninjas and bushes, you know, it looked like it was like maybe one o'clock. Yes. Every ninja that comes out or ninja fight happens in broad daylight and they are not stealthy at all.

They make a lot of noise. They're throwing a lot of shit. They are, they're basically the loudest. They're ninjas I've ever seen. There's never one scene, in fact, in which a ninja is being a ninja at night. I don't think, which is, which is traditionally what we understand to be the whole point of ninjas, which is the black outfits, absolute stealth, silent footsteps.

You know what I mean? Like this is like, that's what their whole selling point is. Well, let me just bring this back. The movie opens. We're on a golf course because this ninja goes to like a tomb in a place that I can only call outside of Culver City in Los Angeles to uncover, I guess some secret weapons. He goes to this golf course. Okay, can I pause you for one second? Yeah. Okay, so yeah, Ninja goes into a cave. Poshes aside a rock. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it.

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Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. What is that? Because they're also, when she then goes later, that thing appears to have replenished itself with more ninja weapons. I have a feeling that outside of... Also, what is? Sorry, Pa, but why is it in Culver City? Well, that's, I was gonna say,

I feel like this ninja temple where ninjas are training outside of Culver City is, I think, the source of some sort of mysticality. And this ninja, we find out later this ninja who goes in this brutal killing screen the beginning, kills a scientist. Yeah, a scientist. What did we ever find out why he killed the scientist?

Well, no, I mean, here's my biggest problem with this film, right? This ninja kills an innocent man. We don't know what the scientist does. If the scientists are good or bad, we don't know. Kills an innocent man, then kills like half of the Beverly Hills Police Department. And then he is a bad guy. Right. Kills them as if they are villains. And unquestionably, they are just doing their job. He has assassinated a scientist on the golf course. But here's my question.

The whole movie is about this bad ninja seeking vengeance for the people who killed him. It's like, no, you're a bad dude, man. That's what I mean. That's what I couldn't figure out. I think the ninja that's inside of her is the villain of the movie. A 100% right? But I never understood what his motivation. We never find out why he killed the scientist.

Maybe it was for a noble cause. Maybe it wasn't. Hold on, June. Are you having trouble with that concept? Because I heard you say it again. The ninja that's inside of her. No, I understand. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I understand. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I understand.

I think it's so hard because I didn't really ever know what any of the ninjas wanted. I agree. And when we get the flashback to an eye patch and the grain ninja are having their last fight. I don't know, so long period of time ago, in the forest, it also doesn't help illustrate, it just sets up the fact that they are enemies, but it doesn't help us illustrate which is good

and which is bad. I don't know who I'm rooting for. I wanna be rooting for the woman who is possessed. I was rooting for iPatch at the end of the day. I patch who has I patch who has an I patch that looks like an I has been pulled out of the socket. Like he has a little like the decoration on the front of his I patch was really disturbing to me because it's like a like I don't know how to describe it. Like a, like a clamshell opening or something. It's like it's, it was kind of like a vagina.

Yeah. Well, I was going to say of a vagina and then I was like, you know what, let me just kind of figure it a different way to describe it. Let me, let me, let me class up. I'll leave it to Jason to parse that out. I just feel like that eye patch is calling a lot more attention to the fact that he has an eye patch. You're staring into it deeply because I'm trying to figure out what is on there.

Like what all for me, both the fact that he is wearing an eye patch and dressed in all black is signifying that he is the villain, right? These are classic movie tropes to tell us he's the bad guy. But yet they call the other guy the black ninja yes right i want to talk about two things yes she was possessed by the black ninja because when he handed her his sword while she was working on a telephone pole by the way she is she is a telephone repairman. The same way that Jessica Beale's in, or rather Jennifer Beale's is like a steel worker

in flash dance. This woman works for like the city as an electrical repairman. She woman, sorry repair woman. I thank you. She gets the sword and at that moment You see some sort of transfer of power and I'm like, okay, I understand it the the ninja now has put himself inside of her Vessel and now she's gonna be telling the ninja so in a couple of things inside of her vessel Just gonna let that go by you know, I just want to pass it up inside of her vessel. He's inside of her vessel. That's a phrase that I feel like could be a pickup line. Please let me get inside your vessel.

I'm a black ninja. I'd love to store something inside of your vessel. All you need to do is grab this sword. So when he does do that, I thought the transformation was complete. But then about five minutes later, her giant video game machine comes on. Lights come out of the video game machine like she's going to go into Tron and hypnotize her again. I'm like, wait a second. Is the video game machine also possessed or see inside the

video game? Also, there's light that comes out from the doors beneath her sink that seems to be compelling. You know, and then she tries to close those. Then she tries to turn on music and dance the possession of. She tries to. She tries to. She tries to. She tries to.

But instead of fleeing her home, which which is having like like the house is shaking and it's like it feels like it feels like she's seen from Ghostbusters. It doesn't that scene you know it's like it would be as if they walked in the mother walked in on the in during the exercise during the scene when she's like

her head is twisting around and instead was like why don't we put on your favorite song and have a dance party. Jason all she knows how to do is dance because not only is she a telephone repair worker, but she also is a jacer-sized instructor part time. Listen, if I was her, that you have to understand, she's lived in that nightmare of an apartment for that long. I mean, if she is already sat within the horrors of that apartment, that crazy demonic, like, moment

is not going to make her leave. I mean, here's the thing though that I'm troubled by because you both are talking about good ninjas, bad ninjas. And maybe this is ultimately where I net out because I did not think that ninjas in ninjas and maybe this is ultimately where I net out because I did not think that ninjas in general were good. We're forces of good in the world and maybe I'm wrong about that. Interesting.

Interesting. I mean, I will say you're right in the sense that more often than not ninjas are like a hoard of faceless enemies that are considered bad, right? Let's be, you know, okay, let's not look at it again like that. Like super skilled, but sent out to do the, they are like nighttime assassins. There's us. You know, is what they are. Or like Twitch streamers.

That's how I always view it. When I hear like the word ninja, I'm thinking like he's on Twitch. He's having fun. He's, he's shirts off, having cool times. That's right. Is that why you're sure it is all during this zoom? With that.

Yeah. Are you all so are we on Twitch right now? Guys with streaming on Twitch talking about ninjas. But by the way, I picked in ninja to find out what ninja is and literally ninja the gamer is the first thing that pugs up. Ninja is under Ninja the gamer. What do you mean? What is Ninja the gamer? What's Ninja the gamer? Oh, that's what I was saying. There's the most famous gamer on Twitch is called Ninja. His name is Ninja. I'm sorry. I didn't even get that right. Wow. I didn't even get that reference.

Okay. So that's right. I'm not there you on Twitch. And by the way, I have heard of Twitch and I've been on Twitch once, but what is it? It's streaming, it streams video games. It streams other people playing video games. It's like a streaming platform, predominantly for like, right, Paul, Esports type stuff.

Yes, sports and now it's kind of grown and you can play games on there. It's basically a television studio in a way. It's, you know, people come on for personalities and their shows. Some people here on the earwulf network have their own shows there and it's quite fun. I mean, it could really be whatever you want it to be. Got it. Okay. Okay. That makes me feel very old, but okay. Yes. I don't think that's for me. But so I think I would love it if you wait. June. Are you telling me a goal to become like a huge Twitch presence in the next year? Well, I did watch someone on Twitch build a tiny dollhouse and it was it was something I sort of had in the back when were you

clearly you were on the top. Are you already pretty small? I just want to back it is when were you on Twitch because that's the thing about it. No wait I'm so curious about how you got on Twitch. You can't even turn on Hulu without some though. I was told by a friend that she was going to be on Twitch building a small some small tiny furniture. If anybody wanted to go see her do it, she's gonna be working on it for the next couple hours. This is also a

category on porn hub. I thought woman build tiny furniture. Okay. And so I went on and it was actually rather soothing to just she had some music on, but the angle, that's what was so interesting is like the angle was right over her. Yeah, it's just like it's just like some watching somebody work at a process something. Exactly. And so I had it kind of on in the background while I was doing other things on the computer if on in the background while I was doing other things on the computer. And it was oddly soothing and interesting to watch it develop. Yeah. I've become obsessed with a guy whose YouTube channel is only him going

usually for some sort of beautiful hike. Then he will, he doesn't talk much. It's just kind of beautiful. Then he'll come across a lake. He'll go fishing for a while, he'll catch something, then he'll build a fire, and then he will cook himself a meal and then kind of sit out on the lake and eat it and be like, what a beautiful day, you know?

How long is this video? Is it like hours or is it six? No, they're usually like 25, 30 minutes long. They're usually, but it is, it gives you a sense of like, it is relaxing to watch someone, you know, completed not just prepare a meal, but catch and prepare a meal. I love that. That's impressive.

And he's not talking to you throughout it. He's not, I mean, everyone's in a while. He'll, he'll, he'll say, you know, like, okay, so I've got the fish ready. These are the things I'm going to add to it. And, you know, it's, it's pretty simple recipe though. You know, he doesn't really, it's not like a, a narrative. He's not voice over in a lot of stuff. Right.

And you have this on and are just watching it or it's sort of on in the background. I will have it like on while I'm doing a jigsaw puzzle or something. Sometimes he has his, like, family with something. Sometimes he has his like family with him. Sometimes he has a dog with him. Sometimes he has his daughter with him. And he's been doing it for years and you watch her like grow up and fish with him and it's incredibly compelling.

Wow. I did some research into Ninjaing as we were talking about our YouTube and Twitch faves. And this is what I found out. Ninjas were stealth soldiers and mercenaries. Their primary roles were of espionage and sabotage. And now assassinations are often attributed to ninjas, but that is different.

They didn't really do that. They were much more of the people that would travel in disguise to other territories, judge the situation of the enemy. They would get into the midst of the enemy, discover gaps and enter castles and set them on fire. So they basically were- Did you say they were mercenaries or were not?

They were mercenaries like they were for hire. Yes, they were like a for hire- Killing the army basically. Yes, they weren't killing machines. So they were considered the anti-Samurai. So, yes, there you go. I see. So just a little background.

Okay. So, yeah, so now, but this man, we don't know, so I guess someone hired the ninja to kill the scientist who seems to be very important because I know the president travels with Secret Service. I've never known a scientist to travel with Secret Service. He has like six armed guards with him. And that guy does not look like a scientist, by the way. And I'm sorry to stereotype.

That guy looked too much like a jockey bro to be a scientist. Yeah, fuck you, jox can't be scientists. Get him out of here, you turds. It wasn't a little bit confusing because I felt like he was giving off more of a presidential, a pompous air when they just revealed he was a scientist. Like he say, is a governor or something like?

I thought he was, yeah, politician or something like that. That seemed to me to be more within the category of person who has travels on the golf course with six armed guards. And then when you find out out easily 50 minutes later that he was a scientist, I was like, why? Who paid the ninja to assassinate the scientist? And they didn't. Yeah. And they didn't say like, Oh, he was a scientist working on the so and so vaccine or he was a scientist. They're like, he's a scientist. That's it. They call him the scientist. The other thing is he, is he, they have so many opportunities to just sort of escape and run away after

that one person has been killed, but they proceed to kill everyone around them. Yes. Like that's so crazy. That whole sequence, that whole opening sequence was so brutal. Oh, yeah. It was really tear. I mean, you don't ever see any blood, but it shot the end of it. I've just so many bodies like so many.

So many. On the ground. Well, that's why later on it's crazy. Could the police department. I mean, if so much to say about the police department, but later on, one of the cops is referencing that event and says something about like, oh yeah, we wasted one of those professionals. I was like, no, you didn't. You like, I think 15 cops were killed. He massacred your entire department. You're entire police force. And by the way, if I was a police officer in this precinct, the only thing I would be

talking about for weeks on end was like, holy fucking shit. Yes, fucking ninja. You came in and killed 40 of our people. Guys, An Ninja came in midday. We shot him conservatively 50 times and he didn't die. He kept coming back to life and killing more of us. Hang on, I'm just going to take these two women and go to the international spa for a quick mid-day threesome. What are the cops up to?

Oh, I mean, first of all, who's filling out the requisition on the crashed police helicopter that also went down here too? I mean, this, by the way, that police helicopter scene is one of my favorite scenes because they clearly couldn't blow up a real, this is not just for Nolan blowing up a 747 and tenant. This is like they show a helicopter kind of driving a little bit crazy and then as soon as it passes over a ridge huge explosions that we never see. Paul is like, are they going to have the money to blow it up? No, I am immediately.

No way. I was like, there's no way they're gonna show us this. But I will say, like, even though, this is the, this is interesting because this happens to us a lot. Even though I was absolutely never clear on the storyline of the movie, in terms of who I was meant to be rooting for,

what was happening actually, whose interests were I meant, was I meant to be following, protagonist, antagonist, all this stuff, characters that I didn't know who, like all the monks in the temple, glued or bad, unclear. It seems to me though that the person I want to root for is the female lead, obviously, who's the aerobics instructor and works for the city as an electrician, but she's possessed by a spirit that is causing her 50% of the time to kill innocent people. I mean, so I found this to be on board for her. I mean, look, I found this to be very similar to the relationship that Bill Murray has with Sigourney Weaver and Ghostbusters. You know, she's a musician, she's playing

in this thing, Zool comes in, destroys the city, but like they got, like, I mean, because also Billy, the cop, he's got that kind of Bill Murray energy. He's fun. He's really got so much. That's a top. for he's that this movie rewards a stalker. Yeah, this movie he stalks her. If he gets her number from the file and calls her, he finds out that where she's gonna go and shows up at her work place.

He is a stalker until she's finally like, all right. He fake a wrestler. He goes, yeah, coming with me. And then he like just to keep her around and then it works. But I mean, I, I mean, this was just like dating in the mid 80s. Yeah, I guess that he finds a katana. He finds a, like a samurai sword in her claw, her holding it in her closet. He just himself the day before killed a ninja and, and doesn't put put they are, I mean, I will say the police are not very good at keeping track

and making connections. But I even love him. He takes her to the exorcist and sees, I could talk for an hour about this thing too. Even when he sees that she is possessed by a ninja, he tells her it's nothing. He just hypnotized you blah, blah, blah. She then go out. That's when she goes out and kills everybody at the funeral. That blood

is on Billy's hands. Well, so here's what's crazy about Billy too. If your timeline is correct, I think it is. He's just seen, I mean, how many of his co-workers, potentially his partners, mass occurred in front of him by ninjas. And I believe it's either that day or the very next day, he's showing up at an aerobics class of hers. Being fun and flirty, like no remorse whatsoever. When she is giving her, okay, he shoots, he shoots with an M16, the ninja, right? They're in the day on the golf course.

Okay. Then when, and she then, she then sees the ninja when she's at the top of the telephone pole, goes down, gets the sword, transfers the spirit, blah, blah, she's then in the police department giving her statement. And then Billy comes up and is hitting on her. He just witnessed 15 of his brothers go down and he is just like flippantly flirting. He is associated path. Yeah, there's something very wrong with Billy. There's also

something very wrong with his back hair. Okay. I had to look it up and he's not a Baldwin. He had a much. But he's so hairy like a munch. He had so much hair. No one who has that much hair should be wearing that kind of a cut of an undershirt. It was one of those, you know, like I don't even know how you describe them in an appropriate term. It looks like he was wearing a sweater, but he was in a white tank top.

Yes, tank top. Yeah. It is so hairy. It's so rough. It was tough. It was so rough. As a hairy man, I say, that was tough. It was distracting, is what I'll say.

It was really distracting. It was really distracting. In a way, though, that I was like, and I mean this, because I generally want to know this. In a way though that I was like, and I mean this, because I generally wanna know this, is it distracting now because we don't see hairy men anymore, because even now in movies, men who have hair take it all off when they do shameless things? Great question.

I mean, Jessica St. Clair and I talked about this. From our point of view, we either wanna see like all the hair or none of the hair. Okay, so it's actually the most upsetting is sort of somewhere in between, but I think we did see all of the hair in this movie and it was actually way too much. This was also the hair. This was all the hair in the world. Like, but I did not look up this.

It was all, he got, I think they put extra hair on him. Well, but here's the thing. When we look at a Baldwin and we saw this with that Meg Ryan movie, it's matted. It looks almost like a bare belt. Here, it was a little bit more spread out and I think at the unwieldy nature of the hair made it seem dirtier. Listen, and I'm a hair engulfed. Yeah, I'm not trying to come in here judging like I'm some sort of hairless one. Here's two amongst, two amongst. I mean, listen, and I'm a hearing guy. Yeah, I'm not trying to come in here judging like I'm some sort of careless.

Two amongst two. I mean, listen, and I have all the hair. Okay. I got all the hair, but has it just become societally we are conditioned the same way that we saw a movie from the 70s a full bush seems an agronistic now that it would now. You know, by the way, I think full bushes are making a comeback. But I also, especially in quarantine, especially in quarantine. Oh, quarantine bush is very real.

And it's not talking about, it's not talking about getting George W. Bush to stay at home. Here's the thing I want to say about his hair. Is someone else could have had all that hair and also worn it in a different way. There was something about the color of his skin. Yeah, his skin was pasty. And then to see that hair spread out the way it was,

it was not right. And I could not take my eyes off of it. He didn't need to be in that tank. I think the tank is doing... The tank was tough, I think if he didn't have the tank on, we would have accepted the hair better. Here's what I was saying. It was that it was kind of hidden and coming, coming out of the tank. It was, I think you're right.

I think you're right. I think you can own that hair. Well, to say way, like sometimes if you have to do, if you have to do a sex scene and they give you, they give you these weird like pasties to cover up your nipples. And it's almost more obscene to have those on. I felt the same way about his tank top. It's like, let's let her, let's let her live. You know, I feel like the moment before they said action, he was saying to the director,

are you sure I have to wear this action? And he was like, you know, I feel like he was comfortable. My heart broke. I do have a question about this movie in general too. Is there a mystery about him in this movie? Like, are we to believe that he does not know that he is the guy with the M16 because his face is in shadow? I mean, clearly, he is the guy, but it's treated throughout the whole film as if she's not

very clear that he is the guy. Yes, I think what you're saying is true. The movie is trying to put forward this idea that whenever she is confronted by one of the men that killed the ninja that now resides inside of her because he filled her empty vessel with ninja soul. Yes. I think that for him, whenever the bad ninja sees

through her eyes, one of the guys that killed her, the guy with the cigar playing pool in his own house. He is a fool, full, full pulls that up in his own house. Everybody in this movie is making a lot of money. I mean, the amount of space they're getting in 1984 is giant. So whenever, whenever the bad ninja, whenever Chris sees one of these guys, Billy's co-workers and recognizes them, like the bad ninja inside of her, like has a flashback to who killed him. Right.

But what never, but yeah, right, they never show Billy fully illuminated until the very end of the movie when she realizes he was part of it. And that was what was weird about their first Interaction and the first time like they had the V8 like sexy. Oh was at first. I thought I can't say that casually I'm sorry. We got to talk about this. We'll get into the V8 sex scene But but what was interesting and you said it before Jason like she immediately wants to fuck him after after He's talking. He stalks her her I don't I she says no nothing to him. So I thought oh it's not her right now. It's

the ninja. I thought that too. I thought that the very first interaction when she is comes out in the tell I was like oh she's trying to seduce him so that she can get that that's I get what's going on and then and of course Ninja's drink V8 well I think that that is part of her life we hear at one point when she goes for a psychological evaluation that she's obsessed with Japanese culture that never comes up in dialogue or in any moment of the film but we do hear two things from her. But one point is that, can I buy a soda? And she said, I don't use soft drinks.

I don't use soft drinks. And then she... I noticed that as well. Yeah, and then she's like, but I'll, but I have some V8 back in my house. I guess she's trying to be, I mean, that's like the house. And keep in mind, the scene that precipitates this, right? The scene that precipitates her and

Billy's first getting together is he shows up at her aerobics class okay he takes it but it's really hard and but she crushes it also once again like perfect like I'm so happy to be watching people doing aerobics and in those outfits it's the best. And in again carpeted, carpeted floors and heavy drapery. And what we're watching is these women doing these aerobics and then you're going to go in. You're a gym and they're being carpeted. Heavy carpet, heavy drapes, heavy drapes. You got it, you know, it sucks up the sweat.

Here's the thing, the men are working out on like, not all of these machines, and they are like in pain from how much weight they're lifting, and also in sexual ecstasy because they're getting to watch all these women work out. And I need to play the song that was written for the movie. The movie is called Ninja 3 Domination. This is a song called Domination. I just want to break down some of these lyrics here. Devon, here we go.

Here we go. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Yeah, I think so. I'm tired of this band. Set the timing and the rhythm. Make that body perlap. Okay, I be in the mood But you can't endure it And your hair's falling out That's right. Is your sex life fixing Because you live in the kitchen

And you close in your strength every night. Yeah, I feel it. I mean, this is, I mean, this song is crazy. First of all, it's a song for a Ninja movie. And it's like, there's a line in there. It's like, if every time you look in the mirror, you gross yourself out. If your sex life is like empty because you're in the kitchen, it's a really weird song,

and I think the word ninjas is also in there. Well, I mean, I guess it's meant to be aspirational for the people taking the class, you know? Yeah, you know, this is motivational, I don't know. I couldn't make out some of those lyrics, but it did remind me I loved this scene because it keeps cutting back and forth between an aerobics class, a full

aerobics class, and people working out on gym equipment that are in the same room. They're not separated. The class isn't in a classroom and the people aren't on the floor of the gym using machines. They're all crammed into the same space. The engineering section is also on carpet. They literally have less room in that gym than she has in her apartment. Well, what's so crazy is what comes right after this scene is all of those men that they keep on cutting back to. Yes. Yeah, who are sorry, Jason, who are watching in thralled and it's like staring at their these women's bodies

as they're doing aerobics. By the way, this also made me miss aerobics. Like what a dumb fad that was just, it looks like fun now. I'm like, I don't know what happened to it and why it stopped, but it looked like fun. But when they go outside, I feel like the thing that scratches that itch now are people who take like dance classes that are exercise based, you know, right? Well, but now what they're doing is, well, Zoom has been around for a while, but now what they're doing, I feel is like, we're going to do ballet or like Pilates ballet or, you know, and disguising a far method where it's like, we're going to pretend we're not working out, but we are where there's something

I appreciate about the eighties fitness fads, which we're like no, no, no, we are trying to lose weight and we are trying to raise our heart rates and jump around lose weight raise our heart rates and Jump around I mean, that's the best way to jump up and get around. That's it. Jump up and get down. I mean, how's the pain? Had it right. By the way, my Peloton teacher teaches this kind of a rubick.

So I'm just in there and do it. No, yes, actually, you're right. They do. There's a new Peloton class called Dance Cardio. But it's not this. I've taken that. Okay. If somebody were smart, if somebody were smart at Peloton or one of

those exercise places, they would do a nostalgic 80s style aerobics. Although I love that. Emma love. I'll get on this. Get on this. I'm alone. I think they would find out that aerobics was somehow bad for you, like that it's bad for your knees or that it's not efficient exercise. Hit cardio is terrible for your knees. It's just cardio. I mean, it's bad for your knees or that it's not efficient exercise. Hit cardio is terrible for your knees. It's just cardio. I mean, it's just, you're just sweating and jumping around. Like it can be no worse than going for a run. Yeah, probably.

Yeah. And there's all those ways to modify it. But anyway, when they want, when she would Chris walks outside, the whole class goes outside every class sleeves, every, the class empties to an alley, every building empties to an alley. No one goes in a front door. No one walks in a front door.

This is a Los Angeles that is all alleys. Oh my God, you're right. All alleys, no gates. No purpose. So she walks outside. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, ripping, ripping through her bag. What did they seem to be both rape wanting to rape her and wanting to rob her? Yes. Did they want to rob her?

They were rifling through her bag at one point. So that's why I mentioned that. Okay, okay. That's what I saw too. I mean, there's a lot. And it's not just like, it is like seven men on one woman. And this is what I just want to bring as we talk about the scene, just back to the world that this movie is talking about. Maybe this is a world where people have

no empathy because no one does anything. There's a group of 20 people. The whole class just watches. Well, listen, I've always been suspect of gym culture in general. Okay, so get into it. But this is what do you mean? This is this this class, there's probably 25 women there. There's not like. I've never felt comfortable as a woman. I have never felt comfortable in gym culture. Okay. Okay. I always feel like there's a dynamic there and I think we saw it play out where the women are trying to discipline their bodies to

be, that's why we're there to be pleasing to the male gaze. And the men are there watching. And there's something about that dynamic and that exchange of power that has always felt very strange to me. And it all feels like something jim that is gone wild. Well, that's curves. Oh, that's fine. I love curves.

Never been to. So you're not against exercise. You're not against. No, I think I'm like an exercise junkie, even though I've not exercised once during this quarantine. But I love exercise. You don't want the culture of going to the gym, going to those classes and being stared at.

You want to just go to the gym in your privacy. I've never felt comfortable as a woman in a gym. Okay, and God. That's what I'll say, because I also never feel comfortable in a gym, but it's only because it's disgusting. I remember we talked about the gym. You know what I'm talking about.

The one right over there. Hot. Yes. We'll also went to the most disgusting gym. But I've been to plenty of others. I've tried. Eekinox is not a disgusting gym. I've never tried an equinox at that point.

I just gave up. But like little things are a straight- barf. Inside. I will, I will say that the gym that you both are referring to was my gym. And you know what? There's a lot of good buddies in there. We had a good culture. My gym rats would get in there. We'd have some good conversations with some grab. Thereass. Going into a gym where people are working out, hard, working out, hard in street clothes, not gym clothes that is very unsettling to me. Well, did I, I mean, see people wearing like,

the only person I've ever seen do that was Shia Le Buff. I was gonna say that's our, that's our end and I wasn't gonna say its name, but why not Shia Leots in in a cowboy boots. Yeah, doing a leg. Just like walking off the streets and like started working out. It was cowboy boots, cowboy boots. That's his whole thing, man.

He just walks into gyms. If he he has a whole rule, if he passes a gym, he goes in and he does a few sets. Do 20 just do 20. But here's the thing. We are talking about Jim culture, but we also have to acknowledge there is a police officer, the present. Yes, yes, all duty police officer Billy is watching

as first one woman is almost raped and robbed, and then Chris is the only person who steps in. She is almost raped and robbed, and he's just standing in the crowd like, I wonder what's gonna happen. And he says to go back to, sorry Paul, but to go back to whether the ninja that is in her vessel,

whether that's a good ninja or a bad ninja, it's hard to know again because I think a part of what's happening in that moment is Chris deciding like she's the moral barometer that we're looking to, but then it's also the ninja. Yeah. Well, she suddenly has the skill set of the ninja, but in service of what she wants, which is to beat these guys up, versus at other times, she goes into a blackout state and just only does what the ninja wants like a that's structure.

Remember I scenario, you know what I mean? Cause she wakes up. She's like, I don't know what's going on, Billy. I don't remember hours at a time and those hours. I was in the oil alert are spent murdering. So you're where we're saying that this is more of a matrix situation where she just kind of got plugged into ninja skills. She doesn't even know how she's doing it, but then when the ninja really takes over,

he's blacking her out. Well, that's what she's saying. Each time, when he says, when Billy finally realizes what's going on and he comes any point to gunner and he says, you killed all those people, she's like, what are you talking about? Like, she doesn't have any memory. She is like in a blackout state. Like, it's basically the ninja. It's basically

Reagan in the exorcist. She is taken over by the demon, you know, which is I think that they're going to say Reagan in the second term. Oh, like Reagan in his second term, just not knowing what's going on at all. But it really is, it speaks to like, I feel like them trying to absolve Chris of any moral implications of the murders she's committing is to say she has no memory of the fact that she's doing them. So she can't be held morally responsible for them because we want to root for her. But then we watch her just murder. Jenny, we're innocent. These aren't dirty cops we watch her just murder. Jenny would be innocent.

These aren't dirty cops, she's murdering. These are just the police. Well, I do find this police department to be a bit problematic, but yes. I don't think they should be murdered. But here's the thing I'll say. It's so easily fixed if you make the ninja somebody that is getting revenge, like someone who has

been wrong, we are watching a bad guy kill the people. Like it's the core concept of it. It's so crazy. Like he deserved to be gunned down on that golf course. Like there's no reason why he wasn't gunned down. I mean, he's a bad guy. It's, I don't know. Sorry, it would be. It's a bad guy. I agree. I think the guy inside of her is the villain. And then when we're rooting for eye patch, we think, oh, we realize, oh, this must be the, he must be the good guy. He wants to put a stop to all this senseless murder,

but then there's never once any exposition scene, like there's the hint of it in the exorcism scene that is, again, just bananas when they chain her up and tie her up and she spins around, and it is literally a riff on the exorcist, which is really funny. He gives even the slightest hint of, you know, there's a story and that's when we get the flashback, but it really doesn't help us any further understand why these two ninjas hate each other. You know, we just understand that I like that he goes the only way to do this is to go

to Japan because that's the only person who can solve this, cut to the guy like getting off the plane being like, I'm already here, you don't have to go to Japan don't worry Also when he gets off the plane when I pet gets off the plane and he's met by monks from the temple All of them Japanese they speak only English to each other Why you are greeting friends at the airport you are all native Japanese speakers Why would you speak in English? It's crazy. They went Hollywood, man.

They went to Hollywood. That's it. Sorry, buddy. They're in Hollywood. Is this like an actor's commune? That's what I kept on thinking. Are these ninjas in town? They'd be like, yeah, we have this temple outside of Culver City.

But if we pick up a couple of acting jobs, it's not a big deal. I had an under five on Hill Street Blues. Oh, how did you get that? Can I go in? Can I meet your agent? Like, they're just, they're just ninjas trying to get work. That's my sitcom pitch. 1980s ninjas trying to get work in a, in a busy city. Yeah. I don't want to, because we've referenced it a couple of times and I just don't want to let it pass us by without due diligence paid to her method of seduction to Billy when she gets him back to her apartment as she puts a pajama top on sits on his lap and then

pours a six ounce bottle of V8 on her neck so that it drips down into her village V8 for people who don't know is a thick viscous vegetable drink. It's a tomato juice based drink that is and she pours it on herself. I recoiled. I was like, what on earth is this? This is going to, this is going to definitely give her some sort of UTI. But also, but also, here's the thing, like he doesn't seem to like V8, like she's the one hoisting V8 on him,

like he likes the soda. So like, why would he wanna be like, oh, and now I gotta lick this, like it's like you're putting some, I don't wanna lick off of a woman's body, like eight vegetables blended into a juice. And then I want to kiss that mouth. Do you really want to like, like, like, all tomato-y and belly?

Like, there's just, do you think she was trying to cover for the fact that she was having her period? Do you hear that? Well, that's what I think that they were going for. That it was what looked like blood. Yeah, that it was going to look like blood. It seemed to me, because I had that same instinct, but I was like, but that would make sense in a vampire movie.

Yeah, it's an eyebrow too. It's kind of vampire movie. It's kind of vampire movie. Red, juice, down their neck. That's like a vampire, like a riff, but this is a ninja movie. So by the way, it should be the other way. It should ultimately be the other way. She should have poured it on him and licked it off.

Cause she's more than capable. Paul, but the hair. The hair. Oh, no, no, no, no. By the way, I would see. She, they kept pouring it and it just kept soaking in. Oh, it just, it just didn't work. Oh, we can't see the V8.

Can we can't see the V8? We lost the V8 again. The camera's not picking up the V8. I feel like, guys, we're not see the V8. Can we can't see the V8? We lost the V8 again. The camera's not picking up the V8. I'm really, guys, we're not gonna lie to you. You've probably got over a gallon of V8 somewhere trapped in the hair of your body. You've got to be careful. Off camera, someone with like an oil can drum of V8. Just go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go nine and a half weeks level sexy, but it was the choice to have it be V8,

I found confounding. It was really, really wild. And the thing is, if they were going for like a red kind of color, the V8, it doesn't, even though it's tomato based, the color of it is so off-putting. Yes, it looks like there's like a little red. It also looks like there's pieces of things in it. Like when you blend up a juice,

you're gonna get some pulpy elements to it. There are some pulpy elements as it's going down our chest. Oh, and viscous. It's not like it's, please stop saying viscous. It's gonna stain. Oh yeah, not worth it. The couch, the bed.

No, no, no, Billy's gonna lick that shit up. Toots, toots, Billy's gonna lick it up. No, no, no, Billy's gonna lick that shit up. Tootsie. Billy's gonna lick it up. But, here's the thing that's so hilarious is, I think part of the reason V8 exists is because people at this time did not eat vegetables. And so there was like a whole thing about like you can have a V8. I should have had a V8 was the thing, which to say like I'm so malnourished because I don't trust vegetables because I'm a fucking moron in the 80s that V8 was like have a V8 it gives you all the

vegetables. I grew up around this the time of V8 which I know all three of us probably did and this movie was a vocative in that way like I what there's so much disgusting eating, like at one point she's eating yo-play. Oh yeah, cool. That looked so gross too. And this was a time like, I remember every time I sat down for dinner, a giant leader of like Coca-Cola was placed in the middle of the meal. Like I don't think I had a glass of water

till I was 18 years old. Oh, I remember, I would get a bowl of Cheer Cheerios and I was allowed to put one spoonful of sugar. Yes, sugar sugar. That's you. That's you. The bowl and the rest. No question asked. Yep.

That was like normal. Oh, yeah. That was like a snack. My dad made crepes for me and every crepe that he would make, he would take sugar, pour it in the center and then roll it up. So it was basically a table spoon. At least you got like real food.

Like I didn't even get anything that came from the ground or the earth until I was, I feel like 18 years old. I mean, look, I mean, I had some crazy things going on with food, but your food was never really an issue. I will say that my drink of choice was V8 as a kid. Whoa. Ew.

Yeah. What? I loved it. I loved it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I like drinking without a word. But can you imagine somebody pouring a bloody Mary over their body and being like, come get it? I feel like I'll see you never. I think I thought that I just thought that he was deductively on a celery stock. I mean, what the fuck are we doing? Oof, oof, oof. I mean, now if she, now if he was a bartender, I could get this. Like, oh, he's got to be pulled in by like a good mixer or something like that.

Oh my God. I can't believe you drink V8. I'll never get over that. That is fascinating. Love it. What's there of love? You didn't love it. There's nothing to love about it.

Oh, it's got like a tang to it. I mean, every reason that I hated that sex scene is why I love V8. I'm like, Oh, yeah, I would have a nice cold V8. It would come in a can and you have to pop it. So you weren't, were you turned on? Cause that's like a hot one. And V8, were you turned on by that? No, I don't want that. I don't want to mix those two. Do you have a V8 fetish? What? I don't have a V8 finish. I want to keep it in the glass. And I want to keep it in my gullet. That's the only place I want V8. I don't have a V8 finish. I want to keep it in the glass and I want to keep it in my gallot. That's the only place I want V8. I don't want to lick it off of anything. June. I need you. I got it. I need you. I got it.

I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm going to go on it. I'm is what I would do. I come home from school, crack up on a V8. I'm so upset. Take Tabasco, hit it like four or five times of Tabasco in there.

Fuck. And then sprinkle pepper on the top. And then I'd stir it up with a celery stalk. And that would be like my after school treat. What are you talking about? Are you like a, did you think you were like some sort of like ad man from the 60s? Okay, but this is why.

You drink in a while. When everybody else was making like chocolate, milky, and blue beer float, and pink the bagels, you were having like a spicy tomato based vegetable drink. I mean, I would really get it real spicy too, you know, because I could kind of make it my own way, you know. Oh, you were so, uh, you were so, so strange, my man that you were so very strange. And I've watched all the episodes of the Mike Douglas show.

And, you know, the reason why, by the way what one of the things that one of Paul's first foods ever The first I think solid food he ate was shellfish Clams clams. I'm sorry so clams. Yeah, and I think that's what led you to Having that strange like bloody, you know virgin Mary, because your palate is so off. Oh, yeah. I mean, I would, I mean, I would eat the cocktail sauce with crackers. I mean, like, let's get to it. Oh, wow. That's, that's what I cocktail sauce and crackers. Yeah. I would, I would give anything to be currently walking into the first ever like

like adult party you hosted to see what you put out on table. Sorry, well, I just dipped this ritz cracker into what I believe is cocktail sauce. Is that what we're doing? I mean, I would use oyster crackers, but yeah, uh, absolutely. So you come home from a long day school. So long day school. You come up from a long day school and you're, are you passing like yo-yo's, malamars, all that type of jazz

and going right to your V8 cocktail? We didn't really have like sugary cereals in the house and stuff like that. I think we'd had some end-to-mins. And I would definitely, I would do that. My grandma had a lot of like country time lemonade. So I would do, I would do that. My grandma had a lot of country time lemonade. So I would do that occasionally too. I'd do some scoops of country time.

But yeah, but like if I had my brothers, I felt really like, this is my special drink. But was that? Did you feel like, and maybe this is like, did you feel like that's an adult drink? Like was there a part of it that you're like, I'm mixing a drink? Yes, I'm sure there's a James Bond element. I was a loving James Bond was the kid. So I feel like there was something about it that

felt like I got to take a load off. Would you also come home and take a put on a tiny tuxedo? I mean, yeah, I would play back a rat in your front room. I mean I do carry concealed weapon on me all the time as a kid. It concealed toy weapon. Is that true? Yes. What a concealed toy wet where? And what was the weapon? What was the weapon toy or not And where did you can see like because as a child, you don't have my face. It's a great question. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back.

I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back.

I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it in my back. I would put it behind my back. Am I not going to see eye style? Yeah, so I put it behind my back, like in my underwear, like so it would be a little bit between my pants and my underwear, like that's where it would kind of live. And you would go to school like that?

No, no, no, not school, just after school. But would you wear a coat over it so that people couldn't see the gun? I mean, I was, I was, I understand, because that's how Magnet-Yah used to carry a gun. And so anytime I would carry a gun, I understand, because that's how Magnum is used to carry a gun. And so anytime I would carry a gun, I had a toy gun or whatever, I would always do the

same thing, put it in the back like Magnum. Yeah, exactly, you're right. But you're saying like you carried it, like that's what you went to school doing. Oh, no, no, no, no, I mean, like, I would say I did it a lot, but it wasn't like a bitual. Like I didn't do it like every single day. And I would never bring it to school because school had to wear a uniform.

And although the, you know, the uniform would have covered it up really good. But, because I had to wear a jacket. I did have to wear a jacket. Holy shit. I liked having like, holy shit.

That is. That is. And the idea of you relaxing at home with a toy gun tucked into the back of your belt drinking a spicy VA is absolutely a t-shirt without a doubt a t-shirt like that is crazy. A baby Paul Sheer James Bond with a little gun. Oh, man. Oh, my God. Holy cow, that's funny. Yeah, that was, that was, yeah.

I mean, that was what was going on in my house. Oh, that is a shame. So, but I will say that that sex scene was, I mean, am I wrong to say that that sex scene was kind of sexy before the V8 came out? I felt like it was kind of like building. Yeah, I would agree. I was shocked when the V8 came out and especially because she had said I have a V8 it might didn't she say to him I have a V8 it might be Yeah, she did say that it was that in this era was that like synonymous with like Netflix and chill? Oh interesting. Interesting.

I've got to V8 at my house is code for want to get free. Eat. Oh, God. It's also like do you want, do you honestly want like a V8 sloshing around inside of you? Like, of course not. Do you, are you suggesting, are you suggesting Jim that they were using V8 as loop?

Oh, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, the feeling of like, I've actually never, I think I've only had a sip of V8, and I thought it was Wednesday. Oh, Jim, let me get- Let me bring some into the house. Oh, God. Please let me bring some into the house. No.

You know, I love a bloody Mary, but I could never drink a V8 on its own. That's disgusting. Yeah, never. But I'm just saying the feeling of being heavy and full with a V8, like that's a gross feeling. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, I can't imagine, like the V8 is supposed to be a meal supplement, right?

It's supposed to give you, it's like a meal or a school trip. It would be like bringing someone home and being like, Hey, why don't you pour this insure down the front? Absolutely. Or like, I'm just gonna quickly have a cottage cheese. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna throw a thick yogurt on your tits and go to town on you. Disgusting. I've got Greek yogurt coming and going. Oh,

God. Yeah, no, it's all those disgusting 80s things like watching her eat that yogurt. As someone who sees my kids eat yogurt, It was grosser in that little container. Oh, the yo-play and she's eating yogurt sitting atop billy's desk at the police precinct. Yeah, she gets really comfortable in that desk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no about Chris. Do you think Chris wants to be a full-time aerobics instructor and is just doing repair work on telephone wires to pay the bills or to be doing- Such a good question. Is she happy with her career and the aerobics is just like a sidekick? What happened in that moment when when Billy comes to visit her at work to tell her that he can't hang out with her that night And then she's like, okay, yeah, and then she jumps in the No idea no, I do what happened and then drives away and her partner's like, hey, hey Chris I think what happened is she wanted to kill him oh

Like she went home to dance. She had she had to knock off. She had to dance it off. She had to dance it off. That might be right actually. Yeah. Huh. So she's really got to shake it off, like Taylor Sustal every time she sees them because it's almost like she's like those guys at the gym. She's like, can't control it.

She's got to go. She's got to go now. Listen, when I saw Chris's hair, it was one of the things I was thinking of her hairdo, which is sort of a sheet of bangs going downward toward her forehead. And then another sheet that's up. That was, that was every girl I went to high school with. So okay, so it was like a claw of bangs down and a claw of bangs up. There's a, now at the time, Jason, from a man's perspective, did you see that?

And you were like, oh, that looks great. Oh my God. I was like that like hit because that she, I don't know what year this is, but that hurt. 84. Okay. So that style, right? Her look is the look that was popular when I hit puberty. So when I am like aware of sexuality

and being attracted to women and blah, blah, blah, blah, this is the look that was ubiquitous, which is flash dancing. She's really very obviously in this movie modeled after that character, but that look of bangs and like bangs going down, bangs going up was so ubiquitous and there is a my friends and I went to the movies once and the girls came out of the bathroom and they were laughing so hard and it was a joke that

remained popular amongst our group of friends for years because they'd been standing at the mirror and there was just a girl spraying her hair bangs up and saying, ah, my hair is so flat. Like, she just kept saying that her hair was so flat, even though it was like sticking up like a great, it's, it is the craziest look. I don't know why it took off. I will say, I didn't notice anything weird about it. I am the same way with Jason. I don't know why it took off. I will say, I didn't notice anything weird about it. I am the same way with Jason. I didn't know it. I was like, yeah, I think that's attractive because I think all the movies I saw on all that.

I think that's attractive. I mean, I think, like, it's a weird thing. It's like, I don't view it as like, oh, that's so old. It's like, oh, that reminds me of a look in a key like the executive. It's the same way that I would feel about, the same way that I would feel about the same way that I would feel about like it's it's it's a dated hairstyle the same way that like somebody if somebody

cut their hair in the Rachel right now. I would still think it attractive because I remember at the time it being an attractive thing and everybody did it. Literally the worst. But it is ever terrible looking. It's terrible. It's it's it is terrible looking. It makes no sense. Yeah. I agree. I agree.

I think like in almost every way, shape and form, like we've been shown over and over again in pop culture to not cut your hair. I mean, Felicity is the ear text of this. Yeah. Oh, I mean, listen, is the ear text of this. Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, I tried to get, I never could get two layers of bangs. So I just did like one sort of side bang, one up. Yeah, one up and then everything else,

you know, sort of fell around it. But yeah, it was just crazy looking at that hair. I was like, can white ladies even still do that? Like it looks so foreign to me. Is it even so possible? It's so much volume and body. I'm so much volume. It's also huge on her head.

You know, like, but here's the weird thing about it. It's huge on her head, but I feel like, unlike Billy's hair, if you got in close to her hair, it would, there wasn't actually a lot of hair there. It looked like cloud like. It's an illusion. Oh, wow. So she's like whistling it up.

So she's cotton candying her hair here. It looked like it. Whereas his was so thick. I mean, I think she's a very attractive woman who has a, a bitch in hairstyle. I don't understand how she got it under this. Oh, she a bitch in hairstyle. I don't understand how she got under. She's gorgeous. Yeah, I don't understand that she got it under that ninja hood. Because that ninja hood, that hair is not going to look great.

Like, I feel like that would have been the dead giveaway. Like ninja hat head. Like, she would have been a little bit scrunchy. You just can't take off a ninja cow and look good. Now, by the way, this movie does start to meander a little bit. The movie is only an hour and 32 minutes, but by the time we get to this final battle sequence, in an abandoned house. In an abandoned house, one of the best sequences of the entire film is here at the end when basically

the old ninja comes back to life. His spirit goes back into the two ninjas are fighting. And then this ninja starts spinning like a top, goes into the earth and then creates an earthquake to which the other ninja is like holding on for dear life because he's like ratcheted something around a tree and he's holding on, I mean, this, this movie is bonkers. Yeah.

Bonkers. And our two main characters who we've been watching the entire movie, what do they do in the third act? Watch. Yes. They sit on the sidelines. They stand like they're looking at a Thanksgiving day parade flow. Yes.

They don't even look like impressed by it. They just kind of look like, well, that's a sideline. They are fully sidelined. They are fully sidelined. And the two ninjas then go and have, they chase each other, they have a fight inside of an abandoned house where they go jumping between floors. They're able to punch through walls. They're able to, like, their strength and their abilities

are enormous, but are so minimized by the fact that they're just in like the shell of a suburban home But it was like Billy and Chris you really are like they're not even watching the action. They're still in the temple, you know Yeah, they're just around. I don't even understand who is this movie about, you know? Well, this is, you know, I did a little bit of research or I should say Nick Kylie did a little bit of research here and he found out that apparently the ending was reshot. The original theatrical version was so basically finished the movie and it wrapped and the whole idea was that she was going to become the ninja.

That was what the whole end was going to be. So they decided to bring back the ninja instead and make her kiss Billy. She said she didn't like that. She said because why would he want to kiss her? She's murdered all of his friends. She thought that was weird. And she wanted to be the Black Ninja because she felt like by killing that other ninja, she would have completed her character's transition from the beginning of the film. So she was looking for the character

arc that she was now going to become the most evil person in the world. By the way, a far more compelling story like for her, you know, especially if, and forgive me because we haven't talked about it yet, but if this steps on anything you're about to talk about Paul, but this is Ninja 3. So like, I'm assuming this is part of a series. So why not set her up to be the big bad, the villain of next, the next Ninja 4 where she now is in full control of her powers. That would be cool to me.

It would be so much fun to have this American ninja and then, oh boy, there we go. But basically what happens is he goes off the director and the writer go off to make American ninja just without her which is a bummer because i thought she was really really good and and she was a secret to this american ninja well i mean here i they're not a secret but like a just a ritual right because i think this uh... director has directed a ton of ninja movies revenge of the ninja, American Ninja, Avenging

Force, American Ninja 2. He also directed all the sequels to Delta Force, American Samurai, Cyborg Cop, Cyborg Cop 2. And then he really has kind of cornered the market on Ninja film. I mean, that honestly sounds like a year's worth of how to this get made episodes. I mean, they really are. I'm like, one of his movies is called Spiders 2 Breeding Ground. The other one's called Motel 2. I feel like we should dedicate, like, we should do a film festival of this guy's movie.

We should basically do like a blank check version of our show where we go. Like, all right, Sam Firstenberg, he made American Ninja 3, like, let's get into it. All right, well, I feel like we have, we've talked about a lot. Obviously we have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion, it is now time for second opinions.

You're on day, you're on day, you're on day, full of say, full of say, so movie was a piece of shit. Yet this person recommends it Tell me what is the message Maybe that art is subjected I need to second up in you These are five star reviews cold from Amazon. Thank you John Lijouf for that awesome theme 297 total reviews. 79% are five star reviews. And I think the reason why this is so highly reviewed is because people

actually love it. And I think this movie is also one of those cult films that people love to watch in a group situation. I never heard about this until Avril brought it to my attention. She emailed me late one night and was like, guys, this is the movie for you. And she wasn't wrong. But here's just a sampling of reviews. This is from Amy M. Gusty. She writes, I really liked this movie. I was searching for this movie ever since I was eight years old and now I finally found it and I can't get enough of this DVD and it's great. Can you imagine searching all the video stores all over Alaska just for one movie? 31 years looking for this movie and now I am very happy. And top it off, you can either watch this movie on Blu-ray or regular DVD.

You get two choices way better than VHS. And you don't have to wait. You just turn on your TV and wham, it's on. So good. You'll keep on going back to your favorite parts of the movie. And I'm 39 years old and I still can't get enough of this movie. I'm still a kid at heart. I'm amazing. I don't disagree.

I mean, it sounds like it's it's first of all, I've never heard anyone sing the praises of having a DVD end of Blu-ray. Like like, do you have like, I guess she has multiple players around that movie as a kid. This would this would have been amazing. I know. Um, this is a one from Ramaki Boyd. Uh, I know this is an old movie, but I love it. It reminds me of when my mother took us to see it in a theater that no longer exists more than 20 years ago. I bought it for nostalgia. F.I. I both the Blu-ray and DVD play and the PS4. Thank God. What is this part of it? I don't know why people are so excited about a blue ray and DVD. This one from Courtney is just this movie will make you cream your shorts. Five stars. Yeah. I mean, I don't disagree, but I'm also very lonely.

And then this one is written by a ninja. Or, apparently, if DVD technology was ever created for one purpose, it was to digitize the VHS version of this film. Yes, I call it a film because to call it a movie is to ignore its place in the collective development of any 80s teenager. My only gripe is that the bad ninja lost. I love bad ninjas. If Obama really wanted to get my vote in 2012, he'd nudge some of that stimulus money towards

HD. Nay, a 3D version of this film. That would be a change I could believe in. Five stars. Written written a little bit in Jess, but also people really are obsessed with the transferred TV. And like people are really consumed by it being like updated and playable on modern technology. And then that's like, let's even bump it up more.

Let's get it in an HD. I don't even want the blue ray anymore. All right. let's even bump it up more let's get it in hd i don't even want the blue ray anymore uh... aright syn ninjia three of the domination came out in september of nineteen eighty four uh... the tagline was he's the ultimate killer she's the perfect weapon we don't know the budget was the opening weekend was one point seven million which is not bad

and the domestic gross was seven point six million dollars oh that's amazing Considering if you watch this, this movie was shot like a Star Trek episode. Like it's all either interiors or like just wild space outside of LA County. So it's really, it must have cost like I'm going to say a million dollars to make. There's nothing in this. Well this movie oddly is profitable because the top three movies of 84 are Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom, and Grimlands. And this movie, it beat runaway the Tom Selec movie that we did. And Body Rock. It was beaten by Ryan Stone and Streets of Fire. But it did pretty good. It came in a 105th place of all the movies released

that year. For a movie with that makes me feel even weirder that I've never heard of it. No more. Have I ever heard of Ninja one or two, frankly? I mean, we got to get into this, the Canon films here. I think I know what everyone's going to say, but let's go around the horn.

Do you recommend this movie June? Oh yeah I mean this was a great this was a really fun movie to watch and I was so nervous at the beginning and I thought it was gonna be so painful and it really it went down a lot easier than I expected. Like a nice glass of the A little satsang pepper. Yeah, just let me add some pepper. Oh, I love foot pepper in there giving a little bit more of a kick. I'm just picturing you like that scene in freaks and geeks where Martin Star goes home. and freaks and geeks where Martin Star goes home. Oh, so sad. What is he watching? He's watching, no, it's not the same.

It's not the same. It's not the same. Yeah, it's not the same. Oh, I'm a yes. I'm a hard yes on this movie. I think it's a fucking blast. I think everybody's fantastic. I think she's terrific.

Everybody else is like a real character-acky, pulpy, actor-y kind of pulpy, great actors. I love the actor who plays the guy who's trying to exercise the demon out of her who's been in like, oh, so great, everything. Oh, he's so great. He was so great, like James Hong. Yes, he's wonderful.

If this movie had no business being as good as it is, I thought it was going to be a real mess and it was fucking a blast. And I want to call out especially the score, the simping kind of driving score. About 80s, simping. Fucking great. It got its own credit.

It says, synth score by, like as if it's not a score, it's a synth score. Yes as if it's like, it's not a score. It's a synth score. And I was like, yes. And it's like very reminiscent of like the old John Carpenter kind of synthy kind of driving propulsive scores that he used to do. And I'm assuming that's what they were trying to ape as a result. But, you know, the way that like all these movies, the way that can and the way that these

guys were kind of taking all the tropes from what was successful at the time and combining them into these like nonsense movies. This one worked and it was a, I loved this. I had a blast. I totally agree. I highly recommend this movie. And I think there's something about the Canon group, the, the, the movies that they made had a level of schlock, but fun to them. It's almost like they understood that movies were like a party and they should be like, who cares? As long as it made, you know, made you forget about everything for 90 minutes. It's like every one of their movies is uniquely, you know, they're not great movies, but

they're enjoyable to watch. They're all so much fun. And yeah, and like, again, I did not know what to expect in this movie. I was a little bit nervous that we were going to go into Ninja Terminator territory, but it was, it just from, you know, from T to B's from top to bottom, this movie really just delivered. I even know, even though it really doesn't make any sense, even though I don't know, I couldn't tell you what the plot was. I still enjoyed it immensely. I oddly have committed to these characters, even though I don't know what their motivations

or goals are. And I think that's the sign of a good screenwriter and good acting, by the way, great acting. Just so you guys know, really quickly, Lucinda and Jordan, that's Christine Billy, they remain friends and they became very good friends on the set and I think that you can see them a lot on the Comic Con circuit because they get a lot of questions about this film. That was funny. And Lucinda, if you want to see more of her,

you check out Breaking One and Breaking Two, which she shot in between these, I mean, she basically shot one, all three back to back to back, She was the Canon go-to girl. And only had only a week to learn all of her martial arts. All right, that brings us to the end of this episode, a big, big episode. Jason, June, we want to talk about anything, anything you want to tell people about? Yeah, I just want to say again, thank you to all of the healthcare workers on the front line of COVID-19 who are showing up every day and just so appreciative and just a very special shout out to all of those people who are working so hard right now to to help and to take care of people and I was thinking today about all the trauma

So many doctors and nurses have gone through in the last couple months So I'm thinking about those people and and people who have Who have lost loved ones and yeah, just a special a special word of Yeah, just a special word of just sincere thanks to everyone who is out there fighting this and taking care of people who are suffering from it. That's all. Yeah, I echo those sentiments. And I think similar to a little bit to what I said a few weeks ago I will say one of the things that for me is helping me get through this you know weirdly

you know Trapped in my house kind of alone time is Getting to talk to you guys like this on for this or I've been able to do You know other podcasts that are podcasts that for me are also things that I love to listen to because I love a lot of ways that I think that people are excited to hear us getting together to talk about something to take their minds off of this. There are podcasts that function that way for me.

I was recently on an episode of Doe Boys or Binge Mode or Francis Quinlan from Hoppalong has a YouTube show where she interviews someone while she draws a portrait of them called Francis Quinlan Quick Draw and Quick Draw with Francis and friends. By the way, Jason, we had our big crossover episode last week as well, which is how did this get made met up with how did this get played. Yes we did.

And we talked about Street Fighter the movie the video game so you can listen to that. If you've never listened to that show that's our sister show with Heather Campbell and Nick Wigger super fun conversation. Really great fun conversation and that's what like like honestly that's what's kind of keeping me going is being able to both talk to My friends and talk to other people who I love to talk about about the stuff that I love But then also I've been listening to podcasts that I think are terrific that I have nothing to do with And I'll just shut out specifically Andy Daley has a new podcast called bananas for bananza that is

making me laugh cackle laughing in my house like hilariously. And there's a podcast called The Secret History of Hollywood that is an amazing podcast. And one of the things that I like about it is, especially right now in this time where, you know, we have so much unfettered time at our hands, a lot of us, some of us. Their episodes are, some of them are like three hours long or four hours long, and it is the season that he's just done is a deep dive into Val Luton, who is like a producer in the 30s and 40s of horror movies and was a real fixture of Hollywood in the Golden

Age of Hollywood as a producer. And this next season that he's about to do is all about Carrie Grant, which I'm very excited about. So, that is the secret history of Hollywood and I think it's fantastic. I echo everything that you guys are saying and my heart goes out to everyone who is going through this really challenging time. I mean, whether you are still quarantining, whether you're reopening America,

I think I've talked to so many people who also are just really stressed right now. And I think the only thing I can keep on saying to people who are either alone or feeling like they're overwhelmed or whatever is to reach out to your friends because that has brought me the most joy in this, whether it's a weekly phone conversation, whether it's just getting around to play a bunch of jack box games, whatever it is, I find that like,

it may take a little energy and effort to get to like, oh, I gotta motivate to do this, but I think you'll feel so much better if you are feeling that anxiety and, you know, and it takes your mind off of everything that is kind of going on. I also want to recommend that, you know, if you love your small businesses, support them, whatever they are. And that's one of the reasons I did this show from Marvel called Marvel Presents the World's Greatest Book Club, where we're to bring attention to local comic book shops. And Jason's on this week's episode, we go into a very deep dive of comic book shops and comics.

And you don't have to be a comic fan to listen to the show. It's kind of just like a book club where we recommend great books for you to check out and what we've been doing in the last couple of weeks is actually talking to store owners and we've got some great interviews with like store owners all around the country. So that's been really fun for me. And as always, I continue to give a daily movie pick on this community app thing that I'm on where you can text me and I'll text you a movie pick every day. And it's 917-877-0657. That's all I got.

A big thank you to Cody, our producer, and Devon, our engineer who are both working their butts off at Irwool right now just killing it to make all these shows got the door. July Diaz, who is the unsung hero of this mix, Molly Reynolds, who helps put these shows together and a lot of big ways. And then of course, Averyl Halley for finding the films. Nick Kiley for doing all the research, the ghost of Craig Teenielson for all his amazing Photoshop's follow him on Instagram. And of course, Kyle Waldron for doing great Photoshop CC popping up on our Instagram and Facebook and Twitter on how did this get made. So thank you all for listening.

See you next time. Bye for now. you