How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Sleepwalkers (w/ Lauren Lapkus)

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

Lauren Lapkus (Jurassic World, Threedom) joins Paul, June, and Jason to break down the 1992 Stephen King horror flick Sleepwalkers. They discuss adults acting terrified of tiny cats, the movie's similarities to Hocus Pocus, Stephen King's cameo, and much more. Plus, June incites an endless debate over whether or not Charles and Mary are actually mother and son or just creatures pretending. (Originally Released 05/24/2018)  Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Pre-Order Paul’s book about his childhood, Joyful Recollections of Trauma, wherever books are soldFor extra Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerHDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

Finally a movie that asks a shitload of questions and gives you no answers plus wait a second Stop looking at me. You fucking cat. We saw sleepwalkers. So, you know what that means Why's J Lo bangin' the boy next door? Why's Jupiter rescindin' on a stellar skateboard? From Anacondas to Cobras to Hudson Hawk To talkin' flyin' sharks with Scotty Hawk Longmore man's a maximum overdrive Hercules and Brescia stayin' alive Why's the Deceiver got acid hiddin' in the walls? Why's John Travolta love-faced waterfall?

Jason's still single, Jude's hatin' buns Paul's diggin' deeper, reseckin' opinions How do you steal a God of Egypt's heart? More importantly, where's his butt strut? Jason's into it, he's fast and he's curious Paul's got questions, Junes getting curious Lake Blastin' and Longhands got Tompkins gettin' manna But hey, long man, I think it's all Jacob's ladder

It's over the top, it's no hoes' barn We're bout to have a faceoff, is that duck getting hogged? We can't stop the music, Nick Hays gotta get paid And one more thing, how did this get made? How did this get made? How did this get made? Hello people of Earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I am Paul Scheer and I am joined as always by Jason Manzoukas. How are you Jason? I'm okay. Having watched this movie I just don't know what to think. This is an odd one in so

many ways. I'm so excited to kind of break it down with all of you. Oh yeah. And also excited to break it down with our other co-host the resident scaredy cat June Diane Rayfield June How are you? I'm good. How are you Paul? Good. You freaked out from the moment this movie started. Yeah Yeah, I would have paid $1,500 to watch this movie with you June the first moment that this thing popped on it was no no no no no no no And then it got worse from there. Well, I was doing it, because we watched it last night,

I was doing the calculations, like could I actually stay up and finish it? This was a rare one where I thought I'd be less scared and more kind of able to handle it tired and late at night than in the daytime by myself in our home. And? I think I made the right decision. Yeah, all right, good. I think I made the right decision.

I had some scares, we'll get into it. There was, I have a lot. Well, we'll get into all of it. We are very excited to be joined by a very special guest today. You know her from her amazing podcast with Lauren Lapkus. Oh, now I've already spoiled who it is because your name isn't as well. Also, the Wild Horses show also here on Earwulf. She's been in Jurassic World. A bunch of great stuff all around. Please welcome Lauren Lapkus. Hi guys.

I was also scared. I didn't know this was a scary movie because I just didn't look at anything about it. And I put it on in the middle of the day by myself and I was like, oh no. It is a weird movie in so many respects. And I would also say it's ultimately weird because it introduces these characters that we from moment one to the end of the movie, I still cannot describe

what they are. Very rare is it that the protagonists of the movie are the villains. Yes, right? That the people whose journey you're following, the arc of people who need to, I guess maybe like a Dracula is what they're going for, but like the incestuous mother and son who are the

lifeblood of this movie is berserk. The reveal of them being mother and son, I was upset. Which happens almost immediately. But it's so weird because this movie, like this movie is about a mother and son and a Cessuas mother and son who are kind of like vampires, kind of like werewolves. Well, here's the thing, wait.

They're shape shifters. Pause, pause, pause. They're not mother and son. They're two creatures. Okay. Okay. And I do not believe those two creatures are a mother creature and son creature. I believe they are creatures. I agree to this. And I need to believe those two creatures are mother creature and son creature. I believe they are creatures. I agreed to this last night.

And I need to believe that. No, you see, I agreed to this last night because I knew that you wouldn't continue watching the movie. No. I think, okay, let me ask you this. Okay, so let's take for example that, let's say for example that you are right in that they are, I'm assuming you're really posing as mother and son. That's correct. Then why do they keep calling each other mother and son only to each

other like why why wouldn't they when no one else is looking because refer to each other by their names or think it's that they think it's like their sex game freaky and fucked up and they love it but they are not actually mother and son she you she screams at the end, you killed my son. That's right. What do you take that to mean? I honestly, I cannot continue this podcast, okay? If they are actually mother and son creatures.

Like I just can't do it. I just can't do it. I also felt like they basically, they just put that little title card at the top to kind of be like, there's some history about cats, and then they're like, we'll never explain that. We'll never explain it. Never was there one person that was like,

usually what would happen in these movies, nobody is ever like, I know what this is. Right. These are sleepwalkers. These are shapeshifters. These are, nobody ever, there's never a college professor, there's never a Van Helsing, there's nobody who comes along who's like, I know what this is, I know how to fight it.

Well, I would argue... The cats? The cats. And they're just like looking. Except the non-verbal, the non-verbal cast. Free cats. The non-verbal cast of feral cats. I need to break down a couple of things here.

First of all, to answer this question, I am believing that they are kind of vampire cats, or at least something that I'm seeing there, because they have a lot of cat stuff at the top. And then this is what it says at the top of the movie. I wrote it down. Sleepwalker, noun, nomadic, shape- shape shifting creatures with human and feline origins, vulnerable to the deadly scratch of the cat.

The sleepwalker feeds upon the life force of virginal human females, probable source of the vampire legend. So this would have me believe that they are born of cat and also vulnerable to cat. So it's kind of like Superman-esque ask like I'm from Krypton and Krypton also district. I think that is correct. But that by the way, and this is a problem with all these movies, this needs to come up in the middle of the movie because I'm not reading it to come up throughout. Yeah. I literally was like cats are important and then it kept going. I rewound to go back to this at one point because I...

Did you get anything? Yes, the sentence that is vulnerable to cat scratches. I was like, that's why these cats want to scratch the incest mommy, daddy, sexy, mommy, sexy baby. They're not... Guys, guys, guys, can you just admit, fine, if you think, can you just admit that as creatures, they don't even really have a sex? They do.

No, they don't. They're just like crazy, you know, things that aren't real. No, but they were fucking in the first scene. They were fucking. He took her upstairs, carrying her and kissing her. Do you remember when they, okay, here then, let me ask you this.

Well, they made that, then how do they, when you see in the mirror them having sex as the creatures, are they genderless? maybe They don't look like they have a gender as creatures. They're having sex But I understand but I don't know he could be a man. I mean he could be a woman She could be a man like they're taking human form as whatever they please and in this world that's mother-son But I do not think we we would be so dumb to assume that in their creature world, they are mother-son.

Why? The idea that you think there are layers to it. So you think in their world they are just lovers? Yes, absolutely. But why is that any less... Why will you allow for them to have a gendered lover's relationship and not a gendered mother-son relationship? It's the same.

Mother-son as what, as creatures or as humans? Yeah, as creatures. It's what you're saying as creatures. It's fucking disgusting and it's wrong. Well yeah, I think that's the point that it's wrong. I thought it was a great relationship. It is one of the healthier relationships you've seen in a movie?

But I will talk about this. I still even want to tackle the opening scene, which really doesn't tie into much. So the opening scene, the first one, the hero of, or the lead young boy cat, he is looking through a yearbook. He says, Tanya, then he takes a knife and slowly carves a tea into his

car. He's sitting shirtless in that room for a very long time. And we watch him slice his arm forever. And I did start to wonder how are they making the blood clot. But that's not the first, the first scene is much the cold open of this movie. The corpse. Yeah, the corpse and the cats hanging from the trees. It was like a bad- Somebody fucking hates cats. It was like a bad version of the hang in there poster because all the cats are literally hung like- This is interesting.

By the way, make that poster everybody. How did this get made, hang in there? And it's just a still from this movie with cats hanging from trees. By the way, that would be our great next piece of merch. Like a very floral hang in there. Hang in there. Cats on nooses. Here's the thing though that's weird

that I didn't understand. So I guess we are to assume that this, that the creatures we will come to know killed those cats and killed that little girl. They go from town to town sucking. Understood, but then if they can kill all of those cats and hang them, why couldn't they kill the cats later on

in the town they were in? Why are they setting traps up and staying inside for weeks? I think they are. With cats on the lawn staring at them. Well, this gets at one of the very strange things that occurs in this movie, which is these people, these shape-shifting monsters, who are mother and son, but also lovers, but engaged in a very powerful sexual relationship

with each other, they are only vulnerable to the scratch of ordinary house cat type cats. And as a result, adult people act terrified of tiny cats, which is a huge problem. As a result, adult people act terrified of tiny cats, which is a huge problem. The woman's reaction to, the woman acts like, ah, ah, ah, ah, like she's in a home. She's inside the house and she acts like cats are going to like be able to kick the door down.

Well, Jason, they are sitting on her lawn staring at her. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. It's creepy. They have set up bear traps. Yes. Across the lawn. Lots of cat traps. Which didn't catch one. No, no one. They got one. Oh, OK. There was one more. Yes. It's about to.

I was like, no. Yeah. No, they're trying to kill as many cats as they can. Why can the sun creature, who's not really a sun and whatever, but how can he go outside with no problem? And why is she home? He gets in and out of his car. What I could never figure out is both of them do, at certain points, leave the house.

He goes to high school. She drives around, blah, blah, blah. Why don't the cats ever attack them? Like, there's a bunch of cats around. Why don't they just, all they need is one scratch. Jump scratch. What are we doing here guys? But here's a couple of issues that I have.

I guess the cats needed the leader of Clovis. Well, gosh Clovis. We were waiting for him. I have a couple of major questions. Just so you guys know, this is the only Stephen King film that was like written to be a film. So. Not based on a book in other words. Does he always do, not to skip ahead, film that was written to be a film.

Not based on a book in other words. Does he always do, not to skip ahead, but does he always do a cameo in his movies? I think that's kind of his thing. It was killing me. Oh, his cameo. Oh, and it's so long. You liked it?

I liked it. It's so long. I didn't mind it. And I liked John Landis in there. I liked it. I liked it. Did you realize, and I wrote down this, but then I realized it was true.

I was like, this guy looks like Mark Hamill in the opening scene. The cop is a camel. Yeah with a mustache Yeah, with a mustache. Yeah, and then so it's also John Landis Joe Dante Clive Barker and Tobe Hooper who directed life force all are in this movie, but Steven and and Leatherface Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That's Yeah, so There's something weird because the movie does I have So there's something weird, because the movie does I have so many things to bring up. The movie does alternate between comedic scenes.

Even when, well, that's jumping to them, but Stephen King has a comedic performance, which I have. I thought he did quite well. And it has all those Stephen King-y hallmarks, which I don't mind. Like the small town characters, like I loved the teacher, the vindictive teacher. Oh, he was insane.

I like that stuff. There's stuff in here that I didn't mind in that respect. All this stuff felt fast forwarded because it seemed like they just moved to the town, he looked through a yearbook, he's like, she's a virgin. He didn't seem to ever meet, that's what I'm saying, he didn't even know her to know that she was a virgin. He's met her before he does know that because remember he already knows that they're in class together. I think he has been because they are they killed the girl with the rose in her hair at the

beginning. Which by the way the way that corpse looked, I mean did not say little girl at all. It was like the most insane. The braces. Oh okay. It was the braces that are romantic. And that's why Mark Hamill goes. She looks so old to me too. I know, I was like, it was a truck in the head. I had this feeling, it was a strange choice though, because even to put braces and then say little girl. Oh yeah.

I mean, it was odd. I mean, she's not a little girl if she has braces. I think the reason that it happened was because they were trying to create a special effect that looked like the life force had been sucked out. Yeah. The youth and life force had been sucked out of her. So that's why she looked like desiccated and like hollowed out.

But then they were like, oh, but now she looks like an old woman. So they put braces on her and gave him a line that said, it's a little girl. But she, there was nothing, nothing to show that. And then, because I think otherwise people wouldn't have understood that it was a virgin. No, that's the deal. They have to find a virgin and do that. Like, it's almost like the Dementor's kiss. And again, this is too much information at the top of the

movie where you're not like, no one's going to, Hey, this is the third time we found that. Like, you're not piecing it all together right away. And I will say that this movie is full of like, fuck you scares because it's like, they're not real scares. Like one scare is that girl popping out of the closet. They open a closet door. Oh yeah. A cat jumps out. I buy that scare.

That's a fine like horror movie scare. But then like beat, beat, beat, body flies out. Like where's the body? Why did the cat pulled out? Like after a few seconds. There's an audible female scream. seconds? There's an audible female scream. Yeah. There's an audible female scream that comes

when the woman's body. And there are no women? There's nobody there. There's just two cops in there. The eye was like, oh, she's still alive because she makes an audible, yeah, like there's a, there's a, it's meant to. It's like a creak scream.

And why is no one going to this house? They have over a dozen cats hanging on their front lawn. Like, wouldn't anyone go, that's a... How long have those cats been there? Should we maybe go check out this house? I don't know, Paul. I mean, I watched it with you, and to me, I think a scare is a scare is a scare.

Okay. And you were... You had a couple of really big jumps, so I don't think you can... Really big? Wow, we... Oh, sheer... I just pictured you flying off Really big. Wow. Oh, sheer. I just pictured you flying off the couch. Wow.

Oh man. I don't think I had scared, but all right. But. Oh wow. Guys, don't fight. No, it's whatever. You know, whatever. Fight, fight, fight. But so I guess when they do like, so yes,

the house is a massive target. When you, when you hang over a dozen cats in your front lawn, somebody should have come to check something out. A neighbor should have reported. It wasn't like that just happened the night of. Do you think that was the home of the teenage girl or do you think that was the home of the sleepwalkers?

Oh, interesting, okay. Yeah, because I think that that was the same. That makes sense, that makes sense why the cats were there hanging. And then why, when they fuck in the first scene. The mother and son? Mother and son. You see the outside window and it's glowing like, whoa.

Purple glowing. But then when they're inside. Because I think it, so I think there's a world in which that scene, that opening scene, had just happened. So he's still filled with her. Virginal. Virginal power. and so he's transferring

it over and now they're on. That is so much. And shouldn't she have been older than the first time he saw her and then he can shoot that in her mouth and then the mother could be younger. I think that is what's going on. In the opening credits there is a drawing from like a fake textbook that is like a girl whose mouth is open screaming and like the energy like coming out of her mouth like you know again it's too tough to put all this stuff with like draw your own conclusions but basically they're what they need is they need a virgin to suck the life force out of to keep them young now is it them or is it just the mother? I believe it to be both of them.

Isn't that what Hocus Pocus was? I don't know. Oh, maybe. I mean, yeah, I think it's all like, it's vampires, it's all those kind of things that feed off youth or virginal purity or any of those kind of things. But also, what I didn't understand is,

so is the Suncat, does he have a history of actually falling in love with these virgins? By the way, just I want to point out something, because I knew that this was right. The director, Mick Garris, wrote Hocus Pocus. Whoa! That's interesting. Interesting.

He's like, I'm gonna do a better job with this sort of idea. And Bette Midler was like, my man. And Sarah Jessica Parker's like, I'm gonna do a better job with this sort of idea. And Bette Midler was like, my man. And Sarah Jessica Parker was like, me too. By the way, that's a really good SJP. Thank you. I was like, suddenly for a second I was like, uh oh, Carrie's here. I'm Carrie Yellowbig.

Oh, Mr. Big. I love Hocus Pocus. The only, oh sorry, by the way, I interrupted what you guys were saying about, get me? I love Hocus Pocus. The only, oh sorry, I interrupted what you guys were saying about we were going on from Hocus Pocus. Did I fuck up everything? You've fucked the whole show up. No, what I was gonna say was. Run the credits.

So does he have a history of falling in love with these virgins and actually caring about them? There is, okay, well June, this is gonna really get us into a much deeper conversation about the nature of the love between the mother and the son. Well no, let me stop there for a second though Jason, because my issue with this is like, we wouldn't, you'd never see the reverse of this, right? It just wouldn't fucking fly to have a father and a daughter. Oh, yes. And to play that out in a major motion picture.

Of course not. And the reason why is because that's a real, Can I tell you something? That's a real thing that happens, which is dads molest their daughters. The chapter? Moms can molest their sons too. They absolutely can molest their sons.

You're 100% right. Psycho is a prime example of that. But the reason why we're not seeing the reverse is because there's a reality to it. Well, I also think, I also think there is something going on here that is trading on Story archetypes that go back hundreds and hundreds of years as evidenced by the fact that the chapter title of the incest

Reveal is called Oedipal slow dance Should I play us could I play that scene of them talking and dancing? Oh, yes No, I hated it. I hated it, Paul. Here it is. We'll just play a second of it. Roast chicken in cranberry dressing. Pumpkin pie for dessert. Cranberry dressing.

Going anywhere tonight? Quare? Anywhere tonight? With a friend? With a special friend? Huh? I'll buy my lonesome. Oh. Don't ask your mother. with a special friend. I'll buy my lonesome. Oh, don't ask your mother. Ugh, so creepy.

It's revolting. And it only gets creepier from there, because what she, it's interesting, the dynamic that plays out is she needs him to go out in the world and find virgin girls to seduce and bring back so that they can suck the life force out of her. Right. Got it, okay, we get that. But she also gets insanely jealous of him having relationships with the young girls because she's his lover and he's like,

they are in like a dynamic where he's like, what are you jealous? And like, he's like stoking her jealousy and then that gets them all horny. And then you're like, wait, what's gonna happen here? Because their mother and son, oh, oh, oh. And then straight up bone zone well and it's and and then I also feel like the young virginal woman that he's supposed to

fall in love with Tanya who when you see her in certain shots she seems like I don't know someone who would like seduce their therapist she looks like either like maybe like 37 like she doesn't look like a high school student Oh, no, really during the time. I thought she looked like Nachan Amick is playing the girl from Twin Peaks and also Gilmore Girls. And Riverdale. She's this is during a time in movies where like every teenager looks like they're 35.

I was thinking about the 90s like maybe the high-waisted pants or something. They all look older. They all look like they are trying to be in working girl. You know, they're all wearing like shoulder padded blazers and dressed like working women. By the way, I liked Tanya. I liked Tanya in this. Loved it. And she like sold some crazy stuff because there's a point

in the movie when she's dancing to like, Do you love me? I loved that part. Why? Why is she listening to oldies? I loved it. I loved the scene. Why is she listening to oldies in the 90s?

Cause I thought in a way I thought- Think about that. I'm curious, he is also- I like how I knew that song in the 90s. The soundtrack for this movie is all song. This movie is contemporary for the time, 92. The soundtrack is all songs from the 50s. But that's why when you first start watching it, I was like, oh, am I wrong? Cause the The soundtrack is all songs from the 50s. Yeah.

But that's why when you first start watching it, I was like, oh, am I wrong? Because the movie theater is a little bit old. No, this is Stephen King. OK. This is all Stephen King. It's all Stephen King's soundtrack, basically. I love that moment when she put on the headphones

to start doing the rolly vacuum. And you just knew something bad was going to happen. Because it's like that horror movie thing of like, she's so oblivious, something bad. And then it wasn't that big of a deal. He just scared her and the popcorn fell on her head from the top of the popcorn Which was also a weird way like they seem to have like the display popcorn

It was like yeah, they glued popcorn to the front of it. There was no way that that should have gone There wouldn't be popcorn there. Yeah, you would never put you would never Machine yeah, yeah, yeah, because also it would be incredibly stealable. You could steal all that popcorn very easily. Well look, she's giving it away. I would also argue that if your plan is to come to town and suck a virgin's life force, you wouldn't maybe make a school report about it. The only person that reveals anything about these characters and where they're from is the main character in a... Do you think he goes from town to town

enrolling in school to school, doing like just honing this short story about him and his mom? I wanted to play that as well because this is by far the only information that we get. There's no cop that has information. No one explains a goddamn thing except for him. And here we go.

They were sleepwalkers, hiding in human robes, feeding on virtue, loving to feed, feeding to breed. Ugh, feeding to breed. So in the end, they ran. In the end, Robbie and his mother always had to run. He didn't realize that... One night the men would come in their old cars, men with lights and guns.

Those guys never come. To the boy and his mother. Right. A boy and his mother. The curses and the screams of rage always sound the same. Jason. Like the laughter of cruel gods. You saw.

Time of happiness, too brief to be anything but golden had run out. Okay, by the way, that is an interesting story. If they are demons who are being chased by demon hunters or whatever, where are the men in the old cars with the guns? I want to see that. I want to see that there are people who are after them. Well, your big problem is you have a movie where your main villain's villain are after them. Well, your big problem is you have a movie where your main like villains villain are silent cats.

Yes. Like the only people that are after the- The antagonist for the anti-heroes are just cats. Cats with seemingly are just kind of, by virtue of being a cat, they're like, we don't like you. We see your sleepwalker ways.

And so are cats protecting humans always? I think so. From sleepwalkers? I think that's part, I think when cats sense a sleepwalker is nearby, they're like, we gotta take care of this shit, guys. But like, let's- Let me say one thing about the mother son of it all.

Oh, please do. Well, and I heard it a little bit more like listening to this story. So I think that what he's saying is true. They are demons. They are not man, they are not woman. They do not subscribe to the rules of society as we know them.

Their relationships to each other, they're feral fucking pieces of energy. So, but they think it's funny. They think it's fucking funny that we're talking about them. Wait, wait, what? As mother-son. Wait, they think it's funny that we are?

The real demons? They think it's... They think it's... They think it's like their big elaborate plank, like, ah, we're gonna... They think it's a fucking joke. That we are? And you all bob bought into it.

What? Like, they think it's a game to bring down the humans. Like, they're kind of saying, like, we're going to show up. It's not about bringing them down. But nobody knows. They just think it's funny, right? But they're like, yeah, we're mother, son, ha ha. No, they think, but they're idiots.

No, but like, wouldn't two demons who were mother and son oh my god well yes but they're not mother son they're not those words because we are subscribing meaning to those words that they don't have that you're saying they are using the words to just like do right they're using the words only with each other because it words only with each other. Only with each other. June, June, you need to wrap your head around this. You need to wrap your head around this. They are using the words to each other. Only to each other. Because it's funny.

You killed my son is a joke. You killed my son. Ha ha ha ha. Because you're thinking they couldn't say you killed my lover because they wouldn't understand the importance of it because. But then why not make them. But to use the same language that we have and just like put all of our you know norms

and stuff on to them but wouldn't that margin to do that June wait a minute wouldn't that if they are trying to eliminate in the way we're looking at trying to fit into society why would they choose to be an incestuous couple as a joke on humanity why wouldn't they just choose to be an incestuous couple as a joke on humanity? Why wouldn't they just choose to be peers? Because they need to go school. They are not funny at all. They are not funny people even remotely. Well, no, no.

He's very funny in the cemetery scene when his face is being ripped off. He's doing a lot of jokes. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.

I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it's funny in a private joke way between the two of them. Oh wow. This is fascinating. June, you need to wrap your head around the fact that this is an incestuous mother and son couple. I did say to June though, I did say maybe, because we were talking about this last night, I said maybe it's like Interview with a Vampire where, what's her face from Bring It On, and I'm forgetting, is like she was made because she was turned. She was turned as a child. Right. But she's always traveling around as a child. These are just beasts.

These are sleepwalkers who, but they can pick any form they want. And they must, they must have genders. They must have genders in order to have sex. They have sex repeatedly in their beast form that we see in the mirror. So they have sex. So I will allow that they may have some sexual, they may have some defining sexual characteristics. Like genitals.

Like genitals. Okay. But I do not think- They definitely were rubbery. That they were mother-son. I don't think they even- What evidence is- I don't think they have family relationships.

Why? Because they're beasts, they're demons. Because maybe what June is saying is that they couldn't pick husband, wife, because then he couldn't flirt with the young girls. And they couldn't pick brother, sister, because where's the mom and why are they in these towns? They had to choose mother, son.

And it's a funny joke. Oh my God. I would go along with that if in private they spoke to that at all, but I feel like only in private I feel like they only double down on the fact that they're so committed to this bit. But June, can I ask you this? And sexy too. June, don't you think that this is Stephen King purposefully trying to make us uncomfortable by this relationship? Of course. Absolutely. But then why give us an out for it? If they, if it's meant to be like they are the, um, you're meant to kind of be made

incredibly ill at ease. I still am. I still am. If they're not. Yes. If they're just play acting. Even if they're play acting, it they're just play acting even if they're play acting It's still uncomfortable, but I just don't believe but only for the audience or mother-son But only for the film audience the people in the town. It's really only for June Like I'm gonna serve this up and the longest payoff from 91 2017 I just feel like like the whole movie is so dumb and bad that the idea there are layers to any of the characters is like impossible they barely give you a layer to what we're in like Story is not even like this movie is all text by the way

I was like the last half hour of this movie is kind of what would have happened after the credits roll. Like it feels like I'm like, oh, this movie's almost over. And like, oh no, 25 minutes left. Yeah. It's like, oh, we're gonna watch it. Right then too. I was like, I'm like, oh, that was a quick one. And I was like, oh, but there's like, now we're going to go back and see the police investigate, take pictures like she's going to take a bath. That's like when the camera like pans up into the sky like and then the town was the same like no no no we'll see the bath we'll see the parents by the way love that it was the parents from Ferris Bueller's day off so cool they were married in real life I recognize her but I can't figure out why and it's his short blonde hair yes I didn't know that yes same I love that they were married in real life. Married in same life and then divorced in 1992.

Oh no. Oh damn. Guys, make it work. The movie broke them. What happened? I don't know what happened. Wait, 1992? 92, yes.

So the year of this movie. Well, in 91 is I think when it came out. Oh, sorry. So yeah, maybe the bad reviews. Wait, did they get married before Ferris Bueller? They were married for a long time, that's all I know. There was a review that was like, I don't see these two people as married parents

and they were like, you know what, we don't either, let's call it quits. Wait, now there was something also I wanted to talk, like, so the teacher. The teacher who is the interior designer from Beetlejuice. Thank you, gosh, I should have IMDb'd. I was just like trying to figure it out, going like, why do I know him?

I love this teacher, he was so kind of great, but Again in this weird world where we're not Explaining anything this kid gets up tells his whole story kind of like Shaq when he did the rap in Kazam just reveals himself outs himself in front of everybody for no reason and it's a good story and you would imagine like for high Schooler you must be like not bad. Mm-hmm. He's a good story and you would imagine like for high schooler you must be like not bad. He's on his side and then like he's like yelling at other kids in the class and then makes some sort of reference about a box having four sides. Our sleepwalker goes, actually it has six. Zing. And then from that moment on he's like, I'm gonna find out what you are and then I'm gonna try to fuck you.

Like those are the two things like I'm out then I'm gonna try to fuck you. Like those are the two things, like, I'm gonna hate fuck you, I mean that's really, his motivation is. It's as if he has been completely humiliated by the kids, actually a box has six sides. And it's like he then chases him down in his Volkswagen bug. Which can you pull, I mean that kid pulls over as if he was a cop and then the kid

Just murders him straight up rips his hand up The hand was crazy You're trying to fit in you've only been here a couple of weeks like don't straight-up start murdering people If he can disappear and become invisible like why not do that then yes We wanted to like just have a chase like I mean first of all I also want to give it up to Otto, the interior designer from Beetlejuice for, that's how I'm gonna refer to him as, full title,

for being kind of collected for, he goes down to kind of grab a handful of penis and then, you know, the boy grabs it, rips off his hand, hands it back to him in his other hand. Yeah. He does not scream, he's not like, ah, he's like, hmm. And then runs perfectly normal without a hand. Like, yeah, he gets calling and stuff. It's like, he doesn't even know. Yeah,

the hand is ripped off so kind of cleanly. And everyone here who gets brutally hurt does not have any real reaction to it. Like, but I thought that one was an odd one because he goes for a long distance. And this is where the kid with Charlie, is this that same Charlie, turns from the kind of do-do-do, well-meaning smile on his face kind of bland kid, teenage kid, to like really weird, creepy, like clown type character.

So I felt that they put in someone else's voice. Almost, yeah. When he like, when that happened with the teacher and when he pretty much rapes Tanya, he goes into this like, Hey Tanya! Yeah, yeah. It's so weird.

Why did you not like me? It's like, yeah. It's terrible. It's kind of like, like Jim Carrey in the mask. Yeah. It's like this performative big broad voice. Suddenly he's got this big personality. And I was like, why would this be the case?

I don't know. Especially since when the mom becomes her cat self, she doesn't have a voice. No. It's different. No, it's sort of like, I think he's like a real mischievous guy. Oh, a mischievous cat.

Yeah. But you know, it's probably all like I think he's like a real mischievous guy. Oh, a mischievous cat. Yeah, and you know, it's probably all just because of ADR. Like, he probably could not get a word out in that stupid mask. Oh, those masks. And like with all that blood and it's like, just do it all in the ADR. And he's like, maybe I'll just dress it up a little bit. Hey, what's up buddy? Because he really takes on, there are some jokey scenes.

Like there's a scene when he goes to visit the girl in her bedroom and she's got all this underwear, like hanging from every way and it's like, I get like your room is messy, but I also don't get why there's like eight pair of different underwear. Well, that would posit a world in which she just takes either a bra or underwear off and just throws it. Yes. And it lands where it lands.

On the floor, on the dresser. When it's on the dresser, there's like a hero pair underwear that's on the dresser. And it is really hard to understand why it's there. How would it get there? Because it's up high, and it's like, well, it's in the drawer, or to me, it's on the floor. It's not like it's like- Or in the bed.

It's not like it's on the floor near the hamper. It's not, I get, like, it's- No, it's like strewn amongst like and it's precious moment One of four or five pair which she's already gotten rid of of underwear and if they're clean Why are they just about and if they're dirty? Why are they about I can't I can't make any sense Oh, well, I felt like I wrote down that this that scene felt like to me like a Mentos commercial that never got going like yeah, it was like oh my boy like you know like where's like all look a little foreign the light is a little bit more blown out and there's like running around just

he fresh movie would make a lot more sense if it was all a Mentos I would like someone to edit that commercial like gave him one when he was being the cat attacking her and he was like I'm better now the movie I genuinely wanted so much more than this was a buddy cop movie between the police officer and Clovis the attack cat. Obsessed with those two. That was so delightful. I was heartbroken when he died. That was a crazy death. Cop kebab, which I hate. Also, it was emotional when Clovis ran over

and sat on his chest. Yes, that was the, I really, I wrote that. I felt nothing. I felt really sad. I really felt like, I was like, oh, that guy died. Like, I'm like, and I've watched action movies where people got fucking shot in the head, John Wick, like no problem.

And this is like, oh wow, the cat's gonna be mainly only. Yeah. Can I play a best of Andy and Clovis? By the way, he says Clovis so many times. This is Deputy Andy and Clovis. Here we go. Come on, boy, get the bad guy, get the bad guy, get the bad guy, come on Clovis.

Get that motherfucker. All right, good boy Clovis. Hey, there comes Johnny with his pecker in his hand. He's a one ball man and he's off to the rodeo. Well, I'm in live now, I'm in ragamon. You fucking turkey, get your right foot right. Get off the stage fucking jerk, you know. What?

Kiss me off. Why was he singing that? He is singing these songs. Those songs were so weird. And they're so oddly vulgar and he has this cat and the cat, you know, luckily, luckily, by the way, what a fucking conceit is a cat.

And what a conceit that the only, like the conceit is like this whole operation gets blown essentially because the cop who carries the cat with him like catches on to the plan. It's so convoluted.

Comes into contact with sleepwalkers. Yeah, he's like the only natural enemy of cats. Oh wait, the cat was always his friend? Yeah. I must have looked it up. From the very beginning he has the cat and the cop car. It almost suggests that there's a world in which just like police dogs, there are police cats. Which is crazy. I mean, I've never seen anyone, even like the most, you know, rabbit animal lover take around a cat.

No, a cat free in the car. No, a cat is not going to be psyched out. It's a horrible idea. It's terrible. And that cat, and, and, but again, I just want you, do you have this actor's name? Uh, the, the, the, name? This detective, Detective Andy. This actor, Dan Martin is doing amazing work because he is alone in a car

with a cat that is giving him nothing. And he is the most charming character in this movie. I mean, by the way, he has a death scene that like the only person I care about. Like I could have, like that girl could have been. The only person I cared about more was the person that got killed by a corncob Insane they they started they stabbed in the back it went through the spine. Yes

They basically just started saying anything that's an object is a full-on sharp shit Nice like I like the people are getting pulled because detective Andy first he gets a pencil in his ear He first okay is the fur that's his first injury before he's shot Yeah, he's fine after that like he's still a kind of communicating his brain has a pencil in it guys I was in an episode of fresh off the boat with Dan Martin and I Cool yeah, I should have oh man. I wish I would have that would have been a great He's still working very

Yeah, cuz he's great. Yeah, I'm happy about that. Yeah, he is he has been on he was a series regular I'm Malcolm in the middle. He also has been on numbers for many episodes and was a Bolden the beautiful and is a new place a new show called Wanda's place by the way, why make Tanya's mom a Gravestone etcher? I didn't get that. That was bizarre. Just to put them in a cemetery where she wouldn't be scared to go. Yeah, exactly.

And also gravestones meant nothing to the mythology too. Like they could have gone to like make out point and had the same scene. But yet the drawing that that jock draws in class I blew it up is a picture of two people fucking in a grave because that's homeland homeland is where kids go to fuck Okay, I didn't realize that okay Excuse of the edge. Yeah, no homeland is make out point. Oh, so Steve King is kind of lying when he's like hey, man I don't need this stuff. I I know cuz he basically created a fuck zone. Yes, so he is guilty Stephen King of not really keeping the upkeep

Oh, yes, not being able to keep teenagers out Yeah is what it is cuz that's the thing is the kids drawing is kids fucking at the graveyard Which is like a really good drawing really? It was a really good drawing if somebody wants to recreate that drawing for us here at How This Gave Me, please do. Just give me four assignments. But that conversation Tanya's mom has with Charlie, I mean, it just seems so insane. Like, how would two people know,

what are the chances that two people would be interested in this niche craft? I feel like- It's so bizarre. I feel like, did you guys, how old do you think Charlie and his mom are like either actors? No, I feel like a million Like vampires are supposed to be like hundreds of years old or something

So I was like, maybe this is like because they're so old They know things they yeah Or they this used to be more of a common thing that people would make a rubbing of a gravestone because they couldn't get back there or something I genuinely don't know I also like this is nonsense it also just seemed like it didn't seem in line with the rest of the home that Tanya's mom was trying to create to have giant dead kids of well like yeah gravestones. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. They have like a beautiful suburban home. And they get into a conversation about doing gravestone rubbings that is so specific that they're talking about different numbers of graphite to use.

That's so strange. On when you're making your rubbing. It was crazy. But maybe he did it so that he could have his rubbing joke later when they're in the graveyard. And he's like, we better get started rubbing or whatever. And she goes, we better. She's like, by herself, like, yes, we should, child.

I was nervous that that lip was going to be bit off, because she bit her lip almost. She was biting that lip the entire time. I feel like someone told her that that's like a sexy look, and she did it then for the rest of the entire time. Every line was bite and then bite that lip. But then they also like, well, also it goes back to my first point, which is like, why

carve that T in your arm? Does he remind himself? Here's the thing, is he falling for Tanya? And it seems like he is. I think so too. But then when he actually seems to get Tanya, he turns into such a maniac. I mean, I guess that's the whole thing. Maybe that's, maybe if he can't control that,

I don't know. But here's my issue. There have to be other virgins in this school. 100%. Everyone. 100%. And why would he assume that she is a virgin? Like, there's nothing like, I guess my choice would be like,

just like, maybe there's nothing like, you wouldn't look at her like, virgin, definitely virgin. No, I'm like, she's the hottest girl in school. She's very, she's a very sexy. Right, like put the glasses on her and make her like, her friends are like girls who have sex,

they talk about it, blah, blah, blah. So why would you think, oh, she's the one amongst those girls who must be the virgin? I don't know, unless there's something about him, you know, his cat-like senses. But also, what do you think? You can tell from a photo. You can just, you can sense it.

Or had he already met her by the time he was looking at her in the yearbook. Well, and the mother keeps saying, does she seem pure? The mother keeps saying like the grossest thing. The mother was so gross. The mother was so gross. Her hair was so long. Too long.

I get really creeped out by women who have really, really long hair. How do you feel about Crystal Gale? I don't like it. Who's that? She's a country singer that has like hair to the floor. It's so creepy to me. Yeah, I agree. There's something very strange about it.

It means something. You know what I mean? Like they have something going on they're not dealing with. Yeah, 100 percent. How did this get me? Oh, here's one thing that I love. When Charles is driving in his trans am, and he's driving really fast, and Officer Andy and Clovis pull up alongside Am and he's driving really fast and Officer Andy and Clovis pull up alongside

and he's like, pull over, pull over. And then Clovis peeks his head up and the cat looks at the kid and the kid freaks out and his face goes through multiple transformations just because a cat is looking at him. It's so silly. Like in the face transformations, it looks like a little bit like sloth from Chunk. Then it looks like a cat is looking at him. Yeah, it's so silly. Like in the face transformations,

it looks like a little bit like sloth from chunk. Yeah. It looks like a cat. It's like, well, what do you like? There should only be one other thing. Sloth from Goonies, not sloth from, only because the boards are going to go crazy. Sorry, not sloth from chunk.

Yeah, it's not sloth from chunk. Ha ha ha. But like, wouldn't you just think there's one version? Like it should be. Oh, there's multiples. Yeah, like- You're either that or you're not. Yes, you're not like five others.

It's like a Rubik's Cube that goes to be like, I need to- Well, because there's like a cat face they both have. Yeah, for sure. Then there's like an even more cat face. Yeah, there's- And then there's a thing that just looks like a hairless mole.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Or something that looks like a hairless like, beast thing that is still a mother and a son. But that is so gross that I'm like, I don't know why I have four, at least four distinct looks if they're never explained. Can you pull up the picture of the creatures fucking

so we can look and see if they have. Please let's do this. Yes. If they have. Please let's do this. Yes. If they have any defining like sexuality. They're fucking. I just wrote in, are cats incestuous? Just see what the answer is. And they say yes, this woman on Yahoo,

not that this is the definitive. Okay, so obviously it's right. She said yes, once had a kitten from a litter born of a mother and a son cat, the rest of the litter was born deformed to the point that some are missing cranial caps. Oh my said, yes, once had a kitten from a litter born of a mother and a son cat. The rest of the litter was born deformed to the point that some are missing cranial caps. Oh my god, this, well. Oh god.

Yeah, and, yeah, okay. A few people are saying with cats, brother, mother, sister, cousin, it makes no difference. And kittens often have problems with mating with their own. Well, sure. But like animals, if they're not around any other cats and they are horny. They're gonna go, yeah.

Yeah, well, that's true. That's what's happening there, mother, son. No, it's not. It's not. I think though that they are- Because they're not cats, they're demons. Well, they're born of it. They are some, yeah, no, I agree.

They are some sort of ancient, that's why they've got like the Egyptian statues in the beginning that are humanoid-feline hybrids or whatever. Wait, the best picture, the best thing in the beginning is there is a picture that is a triptych, right? In one, in the first oval is an old timey old lady. In the second is just a house cat. And in the third is a picture that is half the old lady, half the cat, but split down the middle.

So it's on either side is half of an old lady and half of just a house cat. I was like, this is fucking crazy. Well, you know what the tagline for this movie was? Who cares? Yeah. It was, they feast on your fear and it's dinner time. Oh, I still need more information.

That's not true. And that's not true. It's like they feast on your youth. Yeah. And they're hungry. Yeah. And one needs it in this moment. Like it's like, oh, the mother kept the mother saying,

like, I'm so hungry. I need to feed. All this stuff was so gross but you were not talking about the best line ever when that cat does look at our lead Charlie this is what he says and I mean we have to play cuz I feel like it's the best line ever oh yeah oh yeah stop looking at me you fucking cat and why didn't why weren't we told earlier on that the cat people can turn themselves invisible?

Cats can't do that. Well why can they turn themselves dim? What is that? Well that's the sleepwalkers. They're, I guess they're mixing in. I couldn't, that bothered me. I was like that should have been, that does, that's, yeah. No, you're so right, that's, yeah.

You're so right, there needs to be like a kid at school who like knew all about this and was like, Someone. Something and then he's trying to tell people or something and no one believes him or something. The goth kid at school is like, I know what this is. By the way, like I said, it was the first Stephen King book,

first Stephen King original screenplay, but it was based on an unpublished short story and maybe he should have like, I feel like at this point in Stephen King he's like, here's something I had. It was unpublished for a reason. I feel like it's possible Stephen King like woke up after a night of drinking and these pages were on his desk and he was like, let's fucking do this. Because this does feel like elements of like pet cemetery or in here Sure everything was Stephen King

There were better versions of this at one point or like you said like he rewrites the same story until he kind of gets it Right so like this is like yeah, this is something I'm gonna play with later, but you can enjoy this half Oh, it's half baked at best. There's no there's no villain. There's no anything. Well, no, they are the villains That's the thing is what's weird about it is they are the villains, but they're taking their point of view We don't care about anyone. Yeah, except for Tanya I guess but she and Clovis Oh, of course Clovis Clovis is the hero of this guy. That's why I say I wish this movie was about Clovis and lieutenant Andy Oh, I mean, I would watch that as a TV show Netflix. Let's do that. Let's bring back Clovis and Andy There is I will say there is a great

comic book series That is called God damn it it Dark Horse puts it out. It's something beasts It's about all these animals in like a demonic town that fight like the supernatural threats. It's like not not range. It's not red. It's not. Hold on.

Just keep talking. Well, and then I just want to talk about the end before you get into these second opinions here where the end of the movie they just I feel like everyone just kind of gives up because the mom goes to the house. She kills him with a corn cob. Then someone else gets impaled on a white picket fence and then she takes a gun beasts of burden oh beats a burden she takes a gun shoots a car it blows up as if she shot dynamite at it yes and then does another shot one shot the other

one one shot she blows up two giant cars and all the while our lead actress Tanya can't get a key She has the keys in her hand. She has the keys in the car even. Can't get the thing to start. Yeah. And that's like, it's sort of like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll just stay there. She should have left ages ago.

Oh, yeah. Could have. Well, how about when she and Charlie are in the graveyard? She clobbers Charlie with her camera and then goes over to see if he's okay. Yeah. That made me angry. He's attacking her.

His face turns into like a demon face. He is mocking and attacking her. And then he goes, he says, you better start thinking of yourself as lunch. She hits him with her camera. She's like, but are you okay? Yeah, and then she's like, Charlie, Charlie. I was like come

on yeah wait do we ever see the pictures on her camera yes and I can't remember there's slightly I don't remember anything I watched it yesterday no it's completely forgettable by the way there is like that's another scene that should have been cut out like I did take pictures of them I want you to develop them okay I will it's like you're gonna just cut that a whole sequence out like she has these pictures here. It's a guy looks like and this police force in the course of 24 hours has like six dead townspeople and are still moving so slowly. Oh yeah. Well they don't like they outright go ah like like someone was murdered. The cop was murdered. They're like we don't know. The teacher was murdered

even before that. Yeah, we're not positive. We're not positive that these stories, that girl's got an active imagination. Oh, the girl who saw the cop get murdered? Yes. Who cares if it- Why would she ever make that up?

Why? Why would she ever? And she's also covered in blood. She, something happened. It really made me crazy when the cop was killed in her home and the phone was hanging and you could hear the police department on the other line like asking where he was

and telling him to pick up the phone for a long time. I'm like, you should know, here's the other thing. In a car and drive over. Lieutenant Andy is like, tells the sheriff. It's almost like the guy didn't have a face at all. It's almost like he was like a whatever, a shape-shifter. And the sheriff's like, don't tell the judge that, you idiot.

And then Tanya's like, he's not human. His face was different. And he's like, basically like, don't tell the judge that. He's like really stupid. And then, oh, but thank God Ron Perlman comes in, state police, problems. State police. And I thought that Ron Perlman,

you're gonna edge out that he also was a cat. I thought so too. I was like, and he's like a cat undercover. That would've been more exciting. I wanted that. Because the mother and son even say at one point, there are no more of us, or we don't even know if there are more of us.

And I was like, that's a clue, somebody's gonna be a cat person. And I was like, and he's gonna clean up the whole mess and be like, it was nothing, you know? But he was not, he was just a normal cop. Who gets killed. Yeah. Young Ron Perlman though, God, I love it. he was not. He was just a normal cop. Who gets killed. Yeah. Young Ron Perlman though, God, I love it.

I loved it. I loved it. That was great. We haven't talked about, I think, the defining scene of the movie. The mother bringing Tanya back to the house. The son is clearly dead on the couch. Oh my God.

And she says, dance with him. I mean, I laughed so hard. That was so disgusting. Can I ask you a question? Is she manipulating his body via telekinesis? Yeah, what was it? OK. I didn't understand anything.

He's not in some sort of like, he's dead. But by the way, two seconds later, he wakes up. He does. And he goes totally back to normal. So I don't know. No, he's dead. He was a dead dancer. How did he come back from? Because he's in the middle of that dance. He's like, hey, I'm back to normal. So I don't know. No, he's dead. He was dead dancer. How did he come back from,

cause he's in the middle of that dance. He's like, hey, I'm back. Yeah. And then he like, and then he's alive until he catches on fire, which I didn't even understand how that goes. Did he catch on fire or she did? The mom did.

The mom catches on fire. Why does the cat scratching eventually lead to flames? Ah! You know what I mean? It seemed like she's getting scratched. Okay, cool, this is her kryptonite. But then the cats scratch enough that they are combustible.

And she goes up in flames, screaming, you killed my son, you killed my son. And which we never see in- Which is the best end of a joke. We never see the best guy Which is the best end of a joke. We never see. The best guy. Huge punchline. Very end.

Callback. Great callback. Their joke on humanity is that they've been playing at Mother and Son. Right to the end. Very Andy Kaufman-esque of that mother to never let it go. Mary Brady, you did it. Well, it was a tribute. Like the greatest joke they ever had.

Oh my God. The original title of this movie, the greatest joke we ever had. Joke's on you, humans. But we never saw him burst into flames, which at the end of the movie led me to believe he was going to come out and be alive. He was never scratched, though. Yes, he was. He was scratched by Clovis.

Oh, right. He was scratched by Clovis. He was the first scratch. That's why he goes, I'm dying mom. I also like- It's at those times when you're on death's doorstep that you keep the joke going. I also like that when the mom brought a vase over

to Ferris Bueller's parents and she hits him in the face of the vase, the mark that's left is three cat Like why is like why is everything a cat? Bleeding all over his shirt by the time he was on the ground like it was yeah That's just been a knockout and she and Tanya twice Scratches people in the form of a cat paw scratch like three slash marks Yeah, when she scratched him it was so weird. Wouldn't that rip your nails off?

It would you wouldn't be able to do that. If you just were like rip and it like got them I that seems the attention on the skin would think about the fact that she made out with him And he's like that gross being. She has to live with that forever, you know Well, that's why she was taking a bath for a long time. Yeah. That long bath. She was like, I'm okay. Dad. But he can't hear you.

And then he appeared to her. I couldn't tell if that was like him projecting himself into her mind or I didn't, again this is where I'm like, what is the power set of these things? Yeah, I thought she just remembered it. Yeah, maybe you're right. There are so many questions and by the way, wouldn't it have just been an easier answer if the teacher was into like mythical shit. Great.

And all he would have had to have done is like, huh, sleepwalkers. And go, I know you're a sleepwalker. Yes. And you don't know that. It would have been a million times better. It would have made sense of like so many things. But it's just a teacher who wants to be like,

how dare you say a six sided box, I'm gonna fuck you. So that doesn't make any sense. The fact that this girl is hard, nothing makes sense. The easiest connections are not. Also, he's a shape-shifter. They are shape-shifters. Okay, I get that.

That is like a classic storytelling archetype. Got it. Why can he change the shape of his car? I know, and the color. That's not how it works. You can't like, I can change shapes and I can also change other shapes? What? Yeah. And why does his car...

Unless the car itself is a sleepwalker. And why don't they get rid of the cats then? Make them disappear or something. Perfect. Like if they can get rid of their car. Perfect. Why can't they make their house and themselves dim so the cats can't see? I like there was so much that was.

It was a point. There's more rules and regulations. Yeah, they did a terrible job of world building. And at one point, they also make themselves invisible when the cops come. Yes. But then they should have killed those cops, too. Right. I mean, I guess. But I think the idea, I think what we're supposed to understand is

the mother is weak. She can't leave the house. she needs this thing, that's why the son's there, and the mother can't attack. The mother has no powers left. But does he ever transfer some of that virginal energy to the mom? I think during sex. He tried to. I think during sex. I think when he was.

With her mom. With her mom. With the son and the mom. The son and the mom, that's the purple light. When they were having sex is the light of the horse is purple coming out of the girls right and so I think It's purple going into his mom if you know I mean yeah, you know it's like really swollen in purple They did look like they look like latex creatures that you wet down with like a water bottle they're like Yeah, or like KY. I feel like they put Vaseline all over them. Yes.

Hairless cats. When he was all cut up and on the couch, it was gross. It was disgusting. It could not look. It was real gross. It was like in a way that I was like, okay. The sewing of the hand, that was disturbing. Although I have to say, I feel like of course this is like the point of your whole show

because it's called How Did This Game Made? It is. Thank you. But I'm like literally like how did no one at like I can't imagine the process of like people reading this and be like I get it That's perfect. Like yeah, how would you do it again? Steve like what there's I have so many questions and I was barely even like knowing what's going on And I mean like and if you're actually involved in the process now I imagine a world Lauren in which you've been doing this for six years To Lauren's point let me ask you guys a question this this movie with the budget was 15 million dollars By the way

There's a there's like two thirds of the cats in this movie are fake. And fake like treats the cat from Saturday Night Live fake. They are like, they are like someone throwing a cat off. And the cats that they do have, they clearly can't control at all. Because most of the time, they're just sitting there. And they're not doing what they want them to do, I feel like.

That one shot, sorry, Paul, at the very end, where there are a ton of real cats, I think, watching the house, at the very, very end of the movie, they are truly just sitting there. Yes. And sort of, it looks like they're looking around like anything else. Yeah, oh yeah, are we done here?

Yep. Yes. What do we gotta do? Okay, just do a quick order of business here and then we'll see you guys back later. Well, it's also like you want them to feel as though they're a threat to the people in the house, but they're looking in all different directions. There's no coherent...

Well, they're like watching people run by. Like they are not... There's just being fucking cats. By the way, I'm like 90% confident that the lawn of Tanya's house or that area is like from lethal weapon I feel like that's like a black lot. Okay, so made for 15 million opening weekend Wanted anyone well, or anyone like take a guess on how much it made total total Oh, okay. I don't know if this is gonna be surprising because it's so low or so high I know right Jason it is 19. It is 1992

I was wrong the top three movies in 1992 Aladdin Home Alone Batman Returns What if you like top three movies Aladdin Home Alone Sleepwalkers Total I'm gonna say opening weekend. I made three million got it total it made 10 million got it anyone I am gonna say Opening weekend it made five million total it made 25 million. Are we doing prices right rules? We are. I'm gonna do one dollar. No I'm gonna say I'm gonna go the opposite I'm gonna say it made 50 million dollars. Well here's the interesting thing opening weekend ten million dollars. Yeah, that's a nice. Oh, I said five and then domestic gross

thirty million dollars This movie is a success success. Is there a success? Oh, no, go see it if you didn't know anything, I guess I guess I'm like I'm king would be it's gonna be scary Totally. Yeah people go to horror films like regardless of regardless. They just go to be scared. scared. I think that's true. Well obviously we had an opinion about this movie but there are people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Active baby, so don't take it back Let the world around us have a per se We can serve them seconds, then they'll go our way And we can change the mind of millions With our second opinion

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That was awesome. Hannah Willis, Hannah Willis. And the new opening theme that we played today was from Joseph Frisch. So thank you both for sending those in Okay, here we go. Some second opinions. Let's get it started right here All in caps love that it written by Paul, Jr. Not me not my son. The title is simply fangs This is written in 2014. Just so you know not bad for an 80s movie

Well first strike there not an 80s movie. The plot was good, acting was good. Location is great. What? Location is great. The thing that got stuck in my throat though, was the son having sex with his mother. Oh really, that got stuck in your throat? Maybe creatures do this.

Maybe creatures do this. This is a good DVD to have in your collection, but remember, there are strange things in this world and nature does it her way. Five stars. Wow. That's like, it makes me worried for that person. Yeah, and that by the way was all in caps.

I didn't read it with the intensity that maybe it should have been read. Second review written by Burt Tram, also in 2014. I guess this movie was released in a big way Okay, this one it says Title is my favorite Stephen King movie. Oh, no, this is a movie Not really like any other you might not think that unusual because it's a Stephen King movie But it really not like any other Stephen King movies either, which is part

of the reason I like it so much. A story about supernatural creatures, mother and son, trying to hide and survive in modern society. Nostalgia, love, apprehension, fear, all wrapped together excellent acting excellent dialogue music score and special effects five stars It's apprehension apprehension is like what's apprehension because he's really connecting to the idea that these two creatures Are the protagonists of this film the mother and son yeah? Yes, like that they are who we are rooting for're rooting for. We're rooting for and hoping they can survive like modern society.

Yeah, it's, I love- Really disturbing. But to me, the apprehension of getting caught, is that what, that he like, he's really like in the moment, like, oh, I hope these guys get that virgin. I hope they do it. This is from Zachary Tilly.

As awesome now as when I was a kid, I do wish they had developed more of a backstory for the sleepwalkers and it's kind of a disconnect for me how Brian Krauss goes from being reluctant to hurting the virgin to all out bloodthirsty. I mean, shoot, if this movie came out now and they developed an angle a little bit better, this could be a horror buffs Twilight. LOL. Also, wish SK would publish this story. So he's really giving it five stars.

Stephen King movies get better with age. He's really seeing, like, he's almost like an editor of a Stephen King now. It's like, Stephen, there's a lot of great stuff here. We can, he's, like, I want this person in my life, like, at five stars, judging on the potential. Like, oh, if you just developed and connected the dots. The thing that you already put out into the world. If we just got it, like, prime for, by the way,

this could be a cool rebooted movie, because I think the premise is interesting. Well, I don't know. Well, it just needs they just need to fill in so many blanks. So many blanks need to be filled in. So you just want to see a movie like about cat creatures that are kind of- I do like that. I mean, the reboot idea of this movie feels like, like, I think there's something interesting

about like these guardians of, you know, Egyptian, you know, like why, you know, I like that mythology could be cool, but I don't even know what they are. I don't even know. I think they're cats. Well, then and I will sleep on, I'm once again going to refer everybody to beasts of burden by Evan Dorkin, which is about like, like animals that are basically bad ass supernatural bad guy fighters. I'm into that as a movie.

Yeah. And that other one, which is, uh, what's the guy who writes walking down forgetting his name or Kirkman Robert? Yeah, then you write range really Kirk's Bobby Kirk's first to be called Bobby Kirk's Did we didn't write Ranger Red Rover or similar that's somebody else maybe I don't know that book Okay, it's a it's another good animal book. All right, so Anyone have any final thoughts anything else? You Tommy Lauren final thought? This movie is some really messed up. I want to talk about cameras. The camera angles on this movie are like the Dutch angles are like, there's a sequence where like the couple

falls on the ground like in a little love tussle and the camera's like boom it also goes on the ground. There's a moment where they create one of those bullshit scares We're like she's like Brian Brian and the camera like whips around in 360 to reveal him as good And he's not scary at that point It's just like there's a lot like the camera is always moving in this and like coming seems I guess my final thought is that when law enforcement sees these creatures a ton of these cops just throw their guns down and run away. Yeah.

Well, that one cop got away from the cat lady in the house, he shot at her like five times and missed so far, and then he just ran out the back door. And he was probably 10 feet away. No, he didn't run out the back door. He ran into the kitchen and called the sheriff. Yeah. From inside the same house.

Oh, I feel like I was like, oh, he got out. And then I just. No, he was. He was, that's the dude who was corn-cobbed. I don't think I'm focused as much as this is gonna be required. No, like that's the thing is. He was killed by the corn. Wait, he was the corn-cob?

Yes. I thought one of the parents was. No. All right. No, the mom was thrown out the window and the dad was smashed in the face. Okay, okay, okay. And the mom seemingly gets away. She's okay. She seems okay. Yeah, hope the dad's okay. I think he is Also, I did like when the cop deputy Andy does say get me back up bye

Never never too rushed for manners Oh, I really again the the movie of them is the movie. Clovis is the MVP of this movie. The attack cat Clovis, MVP of the entire movie. Well Clovis, let's see that movie. Let's see that reboot. The prequel. Did we ever see how Clovis got a,

like Tanya wanted to take care of Clovis after Dan Martin was killed. Did we ever see how he escaped the headquarters? Oh, I don't know, but he ends up there with her at the end. I know one part you don't anymore. Because he heads. He's a cat, he gets in and out. It's just you and me now, Clovis,

is what she says, right, or something? Right, Clovis heads to the house, I guess, to take revenge. Like, it's 1992. Or to protect her. Maybe. Let's 1992, let's spin this off into like a sitcom, like Caroline and the City or something like that.

A multi-cam. Yeah, multi-cam. Like this is me and Clovis. Tanya and Clovis. She moved to the big city after her parents were murdered by sleepwalkers. It's all about how sleepwalkers are trying to get to Tanya because she's still a virgin.

That's the other thing. I was like, she's never even, poor Tanya is never even aware why she's being targeted by this monster. All she needs to do is be like, oh quick, somebody have sex with me and I can just be like invisible. The dad was supposed to do it, but the morals of the society did it. Oh God, can you imagine if the only answer to keep his mother alive was to create another incestuous relationship in this story? To give his daughter alive rather only brought it up because he said you would never see that in a movie

All right, so let's talk about what we want to tell people about Lauren What are you up to? What do you want to tell people? You should watch crashing on HBO? Oh, yeah, I'm recurring on that show and it's really fun. You can follow me on Twitter at Lauren Lapkus and on Instagram, the same deal. That is awesome. June? So the third season of Grace and Reggie is out on Netflix. So check that out. And I did a web series with a friend of mine called Threadbare on her YouTube channel which is Cubana Mama Pictures that's really funny and wonderful and yeah check that out too. Jason? You know what just because I've talked about it on this podcast I'm

gonna just plug a piece of burden by Evan Dorkin. Also I will say follow Big 100 on Instagram and I will plug Driveshare which is on Go90, Jason is a part of that. It's very funny. It's super fun 30 episodes they're totally for free you don't have to sign up for shit and and you can see Jason and I if you want to go back in time and look at us in the last episode ever of Workaholics. Oh yeah it's very funny. Great nice. So make sure you follow us at HDTGM on Twitter and on Facebook. Make sure you listen to our mini episode as Blake Harris sits down with someone from Sleepwalkers.

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