How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Teen Witch (w/ Deanna Cheng)

Episode Date: July 17, 2023

Paul, June, and Jason welcome Deanna Cheng (Black Monday) to discuss the 1989 film Teen Witch starring Robyn Lively and Zelda Rubinstein. They cover everything including the bedroom chairs, condom chanting, the murder house that is not an appropriate place to be making out, and “Top That,” the first ever rap battle on film. (Originally released 02/24/2016) HDTGM is going on tour this August! Tix on sale now at hdtgm.comFor more Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/c/PaulScheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: https://discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

Now it's time for How did this create? We're gonna have a good time Celebrating failure, not just me to hate it Cause you know you wanted how to deserve it Let's walk in the media Critique, self bar art Perhaps you'll find the answer to the question

How did this get made? Hello people of Earth and welcome to How did this get made? I'm your host Paul Sheer joined as always by my co-host, Jason Menzook Is how are you Jason? I'm your host Paul Sheer joined as always by my co-host Jason Monsook Is how are you Jason? I'm good Paul. How are you? Very good and June Diane Rafe. How are you June? I'm doing well How are you Paul? Very good. We are very lucky to have another Rafe feel in the studio today the host of one of my favorite podcasts on the Wolf Pop Network Please welcome Deanna Rafe. How are you, Deanna? I'm great.

I'm so happy to be here. You see that she's also a family member? Well, I would assume that people would put that all together. I would also assume that this no longer Deanna Rafe. Oh my gosh. Deanna Teng. So just, just. Whoa, hold on.

I'm already messed up. I've already messed that up. Well, just for the sake of familiar relationships, June, Deanna, Deanna, June. Hi. How are you? Good, thanks. If you can't understand the difference

between our voices, because they're the same. Guys, you got double-Junes on the show. Well, yes, Deanna Chang, host of OMFG on the Wolf Pop channel, one of the best podcasts out there. So take a list of that. Oh, yeah. Let's talk about this movie, but first, before we get into it.

By the way, you're welcome. Thank you, Jason. Thank you. You're welcome. I did not know of this movie. Netflix definitely listened and put this up almost immediately after we mentioned we wanted to do it on the lives of So you had never heard top that never wow and and top that yeah and Richie actually Richie the brother is such a touchstone in my life

That it registered for me as a reference in what podcast is streets of five no I one of them Yeah, one of those from that night And that mentioned alone created a firestorm of people demanding. I got emails from people that were like, I need to be the guest on that episode. This movie means a lot to people. I've never seen it. It paid off to me in an amazing way.

But if you don't know anything about Teen Witch and you plan not to watch it, which I highly don't recommend, cause it's so easy to watch on Netflix, I'll tell you a little bit about the plot. According to IMDB, this is the log line. Luis is not very popular at our high school and then she learns that she's descended from the witches and sand. Why are you calling her Louise?

I don't know. Luis. Is it Louise Guzman? No, I'm the Oconfuse. Louise. Louise. Louise. Louise. Guys, I'm already messed up. Louise Guzman? No, I'm not confused. Luis. Luis.

Luis, it's a party messed up. Luis Guzman is sweating. This is like, oh boy. Oh, there's so many names in this movie too. What's going to happen? So Luis Guzman is a team witch. I don't know. What do I go after?

I don't know what to do. All right, well, Lewis, how do you pronounce it? No, I can't believe. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't.

No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't.

No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. No! I am terrible at that. Is that true? Jacob, yes. I don't know what that is. Why have become that? I feel like it is part of your identity on the show.

I think it has to be. I talk to the message boards are already like one minute in and Paul's already messed up a name. Twice. Two. No, I, because I'm seeing, and watching you read the thoughts on me, I think if you hadn't read it,

and if you had just been talking about her, you would never have said the wrong name. Right, that's true. Yeah, I think we're looking at Louise. It looks like Louise. You might have just start writing them out fanatically. L-O-O. I mean, I carry.

I do it with June. I have, when I, E-E-S-E. I have a Q card in my pocket of a calendar month, I do it with June. I have EEC. I have a Q-Cart in my pocket of a calendar month. And I know when I look at that, that's how I pronounce June. There are a couple people in our life, and they'll remain nameless. Well, because we don't know how to say their names, but we've gone over the pronunciation of their names.

You have to say one. You have to. I can't. I'm too scared to listen or will be. Oh, I will say that we all have a very good friend who only calls another a good friend of ours, Segunda. Oh, really?

Segunda. Well, have we talked about Segunda? And I'll be like, are we still doing this? Not intentionally. No, he just like that's his idea of Andy's name. And that's Gunda. And I'm like, you know that's categorically, just not his name.

See, I don't mess it up that bad. I am mispronounced aggressively. I think I over- You just did it perfectly, aggressively. You did. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Yeah. Yeah. Teen Witch. According to IMDB, he's about a girl named Luis Guzman. He's not very popular in her high school. She learned she's descended from the witches of Salem and has inherited their powers.

At first, she uses them to get back at the girls and the teachers who teased her and win the heart of the handsome footballers captain. But soon she has doubts if it's right to cheat her way to popularity. That is the premise, but boy oh boy, it does not get into the beauty of it. I actually say she has doubts from the beginning. She does. But what's interrupting those doubts is 10 to 12 musical numbers. Well, it is a musical, but it's also, I think it's not a musical. No, it's not a musical. It's not a musical in the sense of like a

Quarant court musical, but it is Full of music videos. Yes, it is full of like nobody is singing songs with the exception top that with the exception top that and I've got the high school blues. I Got the high school blues. What the guys the white got the high school blues. What? The guys, the white rappers. Yeah. I'm so sorry. The white rappers. I'm not. I am blazers. White rappers in blazers. By the one of them, Robert Blake's son. Um, so he did it. He did it. We know it next season of American crime story. Please. Uh, no, the thing that I thought, I had the same thought. It's in their head,

but it's not because when she's in the locker room and they're singing the new she- I like boys. I like boys. She played the boom box. Well, she played the boom box and then- No, she didn't play the boom box. Yeah, she did. Because that song is coming from the boom box. She says, oh no, the music for our new cheer. The girl played the boom box. No, Louise. Louise though is constantly peeking around lockers. Correct. He's like, he's happening.

Oh no, the music is diagetic to the scenes. That's the word. What? But it is not sung. It is not like, it's not a musical in the sense of Greece where people burst into saw and sing the next like. But they are though breaking it into large choreographed dance numbers.

Dance routines. But it's not, so it's more like music videos are happening during the course of the movie. Right, that are completely choreographed and not a fiction of someone's imagination. Correct. That's crazy. Oh, it's, but this movie, the movie begins

with like, what seems to me to be like the beginning of a showtime movie or a cinematics movie that's gonna end in someone getting fingered on the rooftop. I said it's like a tentative lumbata. Yeah. It's like they're trying to be sexy, but you also see the fear in their eyes

that they might fall off this building, which they clearly like, just get up there, kids. Get on the edge. Get on the edge. Get on the edge. Why are there vocals to that song in the beginning? That's a strong, like, exophone. Plaintive saxophone music.

Yeah, they look scared. I will say that this is the most thank and you're welcome really applies to me because for some reason I never got my eyes on this movie. And it is happening like when I was from middle school, like eighth grade, and eighth grade. This is me. I don't look at this movie and go like, oh, that's funny. The styles are funny.

The fashions. It's like, I see it. I'm in it. And I saw you too. You did. I saw you too. Did you see me in the oversized grandpa coach you walked in in? Okay. Thank you. Because Diana would wear a lot of like giant blazers.

Yes. Like giant gray blazers and giant Oxford shirts underneath them and then like a brooch, like tying the shirt together and then like a piece of lace somewhere too. Absolutely, a neck or chief. Around the neck. These are things that were absolute,

it was me coming into my style. You know, so I look at this and I'm like, you open, you open, you open. You're wearing outfits like that. I was wearing, I wore, I wasn't wearing outfits. No, no, I mean, there's definitely a period where I'm dressing somewhere between Ducky and Wow.

Yeah, definitely. Because to me, this is 1989, this movie, this movie is the very end of high school for me, end of high school. So, like, a lot of the, there was definitely blazers, there was definitely, like, the blazer look close, like, a lot of clothing and layers of clothing. Oh yeah, like this and blazers,

yeah, skirt and tutu above. It's amazing that anyone got out of the house in the late 80s because the amount of clothes you have to put on and then the amount of gel and mousse in your hair. Oh, you're really committing to a long time in that bathroom blow drying. Of course. I love those jucky picks whenever. I'll say something. I'll say something.

Yeah, no, there no, it really was. This definitely rang a lot of bells for me as well. And this is a movie that I, in college, for some reason, became obsessed with. My friends and I used to watch this obsessively. And my girlfriend and I, for years later, would quote, top that, we would quote, my favorite line of the entire movie, as Richie's Linewriter he goes I took the liberty of

I am in your home. His line deliveries are master by the way is one of the finest actors of our time He is introduced amazing eating a chocolate cake under his sister's bed Well, I will talk about I want to talk about Richie in great detail, a chocolate cake. Did I say chocolate milk? No. Chocolate cake. Everybody is worried now. What do you say? I just want to say the right thing. Did I say the wrong thing? I'm just so sorry to chocolate milk and to chocolate cake and Andrew Sukunda. Here is just a mashup of Richie's best lines. We'll get into Richie here in a second here. Richie is the main character's younger brother. He's like his annoying younger brother.

Take a listen. Richie, get out of here, you little pinhead. Whoa! Oh, no, no. Touch me and die, lady. Look at this food. Oh, you think about his Brad, the hot lover Brad the great oh Brad you have been reading my diary again haven't you Brad Kiss me darling. Oh, I love to fill your arms around me. No, it's coming here. It's way 16

Because you went to a dance Dream on nobody wants to date you I prepared you a whole sum breakfast. You're moanin' paper. I took the liberty of earning your homework. That is a little touch of Richie. That was the other one that we used to say all the time. You didn't think you're a hudstuff because you went to a dance. You're a dog. Richie to me has some problems with his eating. I am worried about Richie.

It's a raging eating to see. All the characters, I'm worried about them off screen because they all come with extensive baggage, but Richie being the one that is the most unchecked, and I would say the drama teacher being the second one. Yeah, I'm very worried. I'm worried it's talking about the drama teacher. Love.

Very shortly, but Richie, I do think he's pretty diabetic. He neglected too. Well, first of all, I think this must have been written for a much fatter kid, because Richie the actor is not overweight for the amount he's eating. Well, eventually he will be. He will be, but he's- Originally John Cambi was cast to the movies. He doesn't make sense.

But John Cambi kept on eating all the food. Yeah, and then they also realized he was a grown man. But Richie does not get any attention from his parents. No. It's all about Luis Guzmán. Yeah. And he's just acting out all over the place. I don't think he's acting out. The boy is hungry.

And he's not even hungry on normal levels. Like, why is he eating? Well, he's that neglected second kid. You know, although Luis Guzmán is also neglected, like the riff is like, again, 89. So all the John Hughes movies have happened. Yes. So this is basically, what if Sweet 16 had magic in it?

No, 16 candles. Sorry, what if 16 candles had magic in it? And through a dash of Bruce II. Yes. Yes, just a sprinkling briefs to. Yes. Yes. Just a sprinkling of the right two. And the which woman from Poltergeist and all the other movies who I love. I said that this movie felt distinctly Canadian too, even though it's not Canadian, it just felt very clean and oddly sanitized, even though they were in locations in LA that seem seemingly

dangerous. Going over that LA bridge and the late 90s is not a safe place at all, I just felt like they were in a very idyllic setting. And it just felt pretty safe. And no people of color. Oh, zero people of color. Like not even extras in the background.

Like, nope. No, it is white. Yeah, no white to the degree that there are numerous rap performances perpetrated by like very wealthy white people. Yeah. It is. Was the main rapper giving you Bobo like Ryan Reynolds? Yeah.

A little bit like a band. A little bit like a band version of him. Yeah, I kept thinking. I can see that. Yeah. It's interesting that Karen's- No, but we're talking about- Luis Guzmán's parents, because she, for the longest time,

I kept thinking if her mom was so beautiful, her mom is beautiful. Sure. At her age, you know, that we meet her, but she was also beautiful in high school. We do find out that she was an ugly duckling in middle school. But why wouldn't she ever lean in and say, hey, let me brush your hair out. Let me, let's try and, like, her mom was so stylish and gorgeous. Except that her mom is the one that got her

that sweater vest. They are trying to keep her buttoned up. Because remember, she is also younger than everybody in high school. She skipped a grade. Right. She's a year younger. So I feel like the parents are trying to keep her a year younger and afraid of her burgeoning sensuality. Well, because they said they sexual awakening.

They said we found this for you in the young misdepartment, right? That was the, that was, but it didn't seem like they were intentionally- I guess what seems strange to me about that is that her mom is like a sexy older woman who seems to- We get it, June, you're into the mom. I love that mom, by the way, Karen Kay from The Two of You.

And the dad is- It's a Dixargent from Bri Witch. What's he wearing eyeliner the whole time? I don't know, but I also found the dad's relationship with her to be a little strange. Like, he was almost a little too connected to her for my liking, okay. Well, we thought he had designs on her?

No, I didn't know what was going on. I felt like it was odd that they were so involved with her and they didn't care about the second brother at all. The dad seemed to have a sense that like she wanted more and she was gonna blossom one day. I agree with you about the mom. I never got the sense like when she put a bag together and changed in the locker room, I was like,

wow, I don't think her mom would trip out if she wore a cute outfit. They weren't shown to be like repressive parents. I think that they, if anything, they just seem out of touch. I think that that's what they were going for. Like they don't know what's cool and hit. And I guess what I would have done is made the mom more like the teacher.

From teacher. Yeah. Interesting. Well, I felt like the parents were just detached. You know what I mean? The dad's reading the paper, the mom is like getting her clothes that aren't relevant for the now. Like they just seem to me to be classic.

Again, it is not unlike the parents in 16 candles who've forgotten that it's their birthday. And they're like, but they're more checked out. Like these parents seem like they're home. They're out. Like, these parents seem like they're home. They're other daughters. Right. Where this parent seem like they're home,

they're having dinner together, they're having breakfast together. They're just- And they did have a birthday party for her. Which, it just seems like, why would you have a birthday party in the middle of a week? Everyone knows you don't have. You don't have.

Yeah, and even her best friend is super late to the party. The cake has been served. Love that girl. She's amazing. The best friend is super late to the party. The cake has been served. Love that girl. She's amazing. The best friend is my favorite character in any movie ever. She is, she's like the 1980s quintessential amalgam. She is a Kimmy Ghibler meets like all like every like one of the ones that's like

you're not. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, she's everyone. She's that side character. Yeah, every one of them. Oh,, you're not. Blossom. Yeah, yeah, she's everyone. She's that side character, everyone of them. Oh, she is so good. She's hats. Hats, hats. Blossom hats all day, everyday.

Exactly. And she pulled that hat down and did top. I know we're not that top that, but like that slow drop, I was like, yeah. It's thrilling. Yeah, it was exciting. And the thing is, and I do, and this movie also hits a sweet spot for me of coming of age, high school kind of movies.

It's not unlike Patrick Dempsey and what's her name when he gets to become popular. He's driving a lot more. Oh, I can't buy me love. I can't buy me love. There's a bunch of movies where it is, the entire movie is predicated on the artificial ascendancy of a nerd to popularity status, right? And then a fall from grace.

And I love this one, and I love it because every single category of person is perfect. You know, every her friend, her nerdy friend with hats, we'll call her hats, but hats is great. The popular guys are great. Like, and wait, isn't the popular guys name Jake? The popular, Brad. Brad, Brad.

Mine is gonna be Jake Lacey from 16 Candles. Not Jake Lacey, what's his name? Jake, no, that's, I mean, Jake Lacey is the actor. I'm obvious, child. But it is Jake, it is that's, I mean, Jake Lacey is the actor. I'm obvious, child. Ha, ha, ha. But it is, Jake, it is something like that. Anyway. It is Jake Lacey. All of these, all of these people have, they're fitting all of the perfect quintessential

80s art types into a movie that then has all of these amazing weird music numbers and magic. And it is kind of a perfect movie. But we'll hear it in my complaint, though. And this is why I will say it's not a perfect movie. Well here's my complaint though. And this is why I will say it's not a perfect movie. Oh boy. Because I would rather hats want a music career. What I feel like Louise Gussmann has done wrong

with her powers is she's assuming everybody wants what she does, that everybody wants love. And that's not the case. Jake Ryan. The, thank you. I think it would have been a stronger choice for Hats to just want to be a rapper and to want to top that.

Same goes for the acting teacher. The acting teacher has already told us she wanted to be a Broadway star. Right, but she gets a man. But they give her a man. She gives everyone love. A man. She's selfish.

Well, she's a teenager. She's a teenager, but she doesn't know. Selfish in that she assumes that they all want what she wants. Correct. But as like a 15 year old would. Yeah, but I don't think she's, I don't think she sets out to demonstrably change, to demonstrably give everybody within their own lives what they want. I don't think she's savvy enough to understand.

I think she is just has this weird power and is giving it out into the world. Can I talk about what I think the major problem of this movie is? Oh boy. You're Mr. Miyagi. That is of course, Madam Serena Alcott. That into the Mr. Miyagi character teaches no consequence.

Correct. She is like, do it. Yeah. Do it. She's not like with great power, and great responsibility. She is like, do it. Do it. She's not like with great power, and great responsibility. She's like, go, and keep me more. Yes, and when Louise Gooseman comes back and says, you know what, I don't know that I like this.

I don't know if you like me for me. She's like, who cares? Yeah. She's a popular. And the witch doesn't learn her lesson at all, but Witch is like, just wants to get her laid. And at the end, you see it in the big wide. She's getting laid by the English teacher,

the English teacher who strips. Oh my God, I missed that. Yeah, well, it's very, you see them small in the background. But it's full penetrage. Yeah, because he still has a pants off and begin. And she's inexplicably, she's just screaming, go towards the light, go towards the light. But I think her Mr. Miyagi is bad.

She doesn't learn any lessons and their magic is also flawed because if she says your dog, then he's a dog. But then other times to get somebody to fall in love, she's gotta say this like Latin poem. And then other times, yeah, then you do dolls. How do nobody notice that she has a voodoo doll? Well, she's doing it at home, right? Nope.

In what class? No, she's sitting in class. All right, dressing a large voodoo doll. Okay, even easier is what the most popular girl in school does not realize that her cousin has gone missing. Yeah. Okay, I was trying to, I know, this is what I think, because we never learned where he's gone,

but I think because the brother turned back after water, and just assumed that. Well, we're gonna assume that her powers are not that strong, and eventually his essence hit water, and he came back. Wait, are we saying if that drama teacher the goingsification and there's water there that she'll fall out of love? Well, she gets the postcard, though, that is like we're having the best time, me and

what's his name. But this water is a very tricky part of this. I have to say, I do think with the drama teacher, it did upset me that her life changed dramatically, and I worry about that counter. Whoever that was, she found because she was an interesting character in that she clearly had dreams to first. Yes, but she was happy with where she was. And then to take her and to actually project Louise Guzman's own sadness onto her was actually beyond selfish. Yes.

It was really that is kind of cruel. No, she took away this woman's life and gave her like a storybook romance that is untenable for the rest of your life. I think. No, but I think she made it work. Right. She's going around the world. There's going to be a water somewhere.

Oh boy. A water will happen at some time. And then what's she going to do? She's going to go, she doesn't have a job anymore. Maybe she can go back to being the receptionist at the Bob Newhart show. Or Mrs. Crabapple from The Simpsons. The one thing that I thought was maybe a flaw,

the thing that I was kind of missing was that Brad, like she was very, very shallow. Brad never gave us anything except for looks. Yep. Not a damn thing. We never saw one moment where Brad, except for being like, yeah, popular, it's hard to be popular sometimes. That was like his- He was afraid to go to college, right?

Yes, and he did say that he didn't know if people liked him for him. Okay, but that's just hard. That's why it's hard to be popular, like big whoop. You know what I mean? It's not a real deep dive into who Brad is. We never got to know. I don't know. But we don't know part of it.

I don't know if he's who Brad is either. But that's why you would think she would see him eventually and be like, you know what, he's not that great. But she kept wanting him the whole time. And I'm like, okay, well. But if it was a love spell, again, I go back to this faulty magic because she goes, I wish she would look at me.

Then he looks at her and goes, I wish she would come over. Then he comes over. Then he's like, help me with my reading test. Like, did, like, so he was planning to come over and always ask for help. Like, I guess like, I don't understand how the magic works. Well, I also didn't understand.

We were told that the magic was gonna kick in on her 16th birthday. Yeah. And then we were told it was because she was wearing a special amulet, which she hadn't found that. Would she ever have... It found her.

I'm sorry, June. The amulet found her. I'm so sorry. Okay. The amulet found her. I'm so sorry. Okay. When Serena looked into her palm and saw that she was a witch, like her acting in that, when Serena gave when she saw her witchness in that palm, I was like, she's like really good.

Oh yeah. Oh, I love Zelda Rubenstein already. So she's great. She's wonderful. Here's just an interesting fact about this movie. This movie was a straight up rip off of Teen Wolf. It was supposed to just be a female version of Teen Wolf. It went so far to borrow the font and lettering for the title, the tagline and the plot.

And that was just in response to Michael J. Fox's great Teen Wolf, which I loved and was shot before back then. Well, wait, this was the other thing I was going to say though. It was supposed to be Friday. It was supposed to be right on the right at her 16th birthday. Then she happened to find the amulet or it found her. And then it really, but it really didn't kick in until it was Friday the 13th. Wait, that was part of it.

Yes. Wasn't that on the same day? No, I think days had gone by after her 16th day. She had a really tough day because in my mind, I'm days had gone by after her 16. She had a really tough day because in my mind, I'm like, the teacher at her diary. She was almost like, remember that. That was terrible. No, no. I was like, this is, yeah. Because she's also younger than them all, you know, she's a young kid and she's hated. But she's, as she said, one year. I mean, one year. I mean, she's one year.

Let's, it's a cut off in a school year. It's a grade. And remember when she gets there in the hip hop boys are like, should you even be in high school? Meanwhile, with her overgrown jacket, I thought she looked like a grandma, not what they were saying. Oh, interesting.

June, June Diane. Not only did she get that red, but she had the cajon to go after the balls to go after being humiliated in class to creep around and look at him. I was like, I was actually like, well that's where I lose you. And audition to be his love interest in the play she got during the rest is what I didn't do director I didn't do plays in high school or anything like that did you audition Everybody fully off book. Oh, we have course

You don't do scenes you don't like match-up scene partners. That's a good But I did. We were matched up in high school. I think like that. I was, I was really. Yes, like they were, these were the guys and these were the girls and they were gonna mix and match the couple.

Well, I just love that in the director signing parts, they pretty much go like, all right, here's the lead, the second lead and then the assistant costume. First, it hits you. Like that's it. Like that's what you give out part. Yeah, not a part. No,out part. No other below the line things. You're the lead. You're the other lead and assistant costume designer Louise Guzman. You don't audition to be a assistant costume designer, right? She made out of any

talent in costume. I mean, everybody didn't know you didn't get it. By the way, the way she's dressed, I wouldn't give her assistant customer at all. Slime. A major slown. But yeah, so we're going to say that her diary was read, she auditioned for the place, she was run off by the road, it was her birthday, no one showed up, and she met the witch all in the same day. Yeah, it's a big day.

That's big day. And then the way when she's run off the road and Brad finds her, like in a ditch. Run off the road because Brad is getting an HJ from his girlfriend in the car. By the way, interesting. And how late was it? Interesting fact, Brad and that actress

ran off to get married after the movie. And they're still married. That's amazing. Congrats to them. Yeah, exactly. I thought it was crazy where she was like, you don't have to drive me home. And he's like, I know I don't.

But actually, you do have to drive her home and you should. Yeah. She was hit by a car. She was run off the road. It's a little different. He should still drive her home. She should drive her home and be a gentleman. How weird was it when she goes back to talk to Madame Serena and Matt, it sits on Madame

Serena's lap and then they're like, oh no, this doesn't work. And then Madame Serena sits on her lap. And it was like, good laugh. I was like, what the fuck is going on? That was like, I feel like a bit that they did in rehearsal, and then it stuck in the movie. Like that was like, oh, this would be fun.

It takes, she's a gorgeous state. But that's always like, she's all that. I know, but like, they could have thrown up here in glasses or something. It's interesting, this is also an era where the girl lead who can't be too beautiful, but can't be too plain has to be a redhead. Okay.

Oh, you know, you've got your mother. That's all ringwalt. You've got your Lea you know, you've got your mothin. That's a ring walled. You've got your leotompzins. Yeah. You've got your robin livelies. They are straddling so that they can be done up and be beautiful or they can be done down and be a little planer.

But they are not bombshell blondes and they are not plain brunettes, you know. It's interesting because so what you're saying is by virtue of having red hair. She's ugly. They're already ugly. They are already other. Other.

There are unicorns in their own life. They are, they are something, they are something that doesn't have as much of a right stereotype to it. By the way, we're talking about redheads that are also not true redheads. Oh no. Like we're not talking about anant of green gables. Oh, we're talking about. We're not talking about pippi long stocking Like we're not talking about Anna Greengables. We're talking about...

Oh, Pippi Long's talking. We're not talking about, like, Pippi Long's talking. We're talking about, like, most sexual being on the planet. Yeah, we're talking about, like, I don't even know how to describe the red, but it's... Like, Auburny. It's Leah Thompson's hair from How Are The Ducuts. It's very, so it's brown red. And blonde red at the same time.

Yeah, it's in that middle zone, because that's the middle zone. That is like it's somewhere in between. And the woman is her neighbor who's the blonde bombshell. And then there's hats. And then you've got, oh, you're. And then there's cheeky. And then yes, and you're in the middle.

The blonde bombshell's name is Randa. Anyone wanna deal with that? In the movie, it's Randa. Randa. Well, it's just cool. Yeah, it's a pretty cool name. Okay, Randa. Randa, maybe because she was Randi.

Maybe. No, it's Randa with an A. I mean, I, maybe it would be Randi, but Randa is real. Yeah, that's weird. She used to think about Louise Guzman's transformation. She even when she becomes beautiful, she's never able to really get out from underneath those bangs.

Yeah. But bangs were everything that was in that. That was it. It's so hard to believe that. But like, aside, pony and bangs is like too much going on. First of all, to have your bangs straightened out and to have your hair curly is everything I want all day long, every day.

When I see her with a straightened out blow-down bang in a curl, for me, it was everything. Is like half of the blowout is straight up. Straight up, straight up, straight up, straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up.

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Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up. Straight up bangs going up. That was Cheryl Hamjig and my high school house. It was every gun.

This was the height of beauty. That's a great thing. That's so right. That's so right. And I'm talking about like 14 year old girls who had what I would consider to be mom haircuts. Yeah, right. But at the time when you saw Walla bangs like that,

were you like, yes. Vava, vava, vava, vava. It's truly, it depends on whether they'd gotten boobs or not. Right, right, right. That's fair. Boobs still very important to me at that time. Sure, sure. I spent a lot of time getting one section in the side up

and then making sure I could wing it out. Jump, the better, like, the more defined the wing, the better. That's what she has in this movie, too, which is like a real, yeah, wing out with those bangs. Wow. You've been listening to bangs talk. You're kind of just getting me. It's been off of Wig Talk.

The ring-talk sister's bringing you wing talk. I do want to get behind one thing before we get into even some of the other classic moments. Why was she so hated by the teachers? She also seemed hated for no reason. Well that's why that one teacher is making fun of her for being late, but also making fun of her for skipping her grade. Like, who do you think you are? You think you're so smart.

You want to knock her down a peg. It's not a teacher thing to throw down the kids who are smart. That doesn't seem like, the teachers seem like straight up bullies. That teacher was terrifying. I do feel there were teachers in our high school and middle school who were friendlier to the kids who were average and cool than they to like the smart nerds. Okay. But this teacher, it didn't line up for it. Well, he also seemed like a nerd.

Yeah, and I don't know why he was so angry at her. Whipping a desk, and then when she did do the voodoo doll, it was, he walked into a carwash. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, that was great. That was great. Why would he just feel like he's in a car wash. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, that was great. That was a great thing. Why would anybody, why would anyone just feel like he's in a car wash? That's what I didn't understand.

Is that how voodoo dolls work? Where if you take off their clothes, the voodoo doll takes off, it's a, where if you take off the voodoo dolls clothes, the person takes off. I always thought voodoo dolls had to do with pins. Like you pin one section and then their arm goes this way. You pin another and there like, you know, I thought it was more pins.

Yeah, I don't know. I think for the sake of the movie, that's, I mean, it's more witchcraft than voodoo. So maybe, yeah, I mean, like, we'd have to ask real witches. Now let me ask this, what's Madam Sabrina, a real witch? She seemed to have need a lot of help being a witch. She had a lot of opportunity.

So she was just a fortune teller. No, she was a witch. No, I think she was a witch. But she couldn't even do her own, why couldn't she do her own spells? That's the thing. She was not great at it being a witch. She'd had a lot of time at it, but she wasn't great at it. I mean, why wouldn't she just make her own money?

Why did she care how much money she used to use mom was gonna bring? Didn't she make money out of that coal or whatever? But then if she can just make up her own money, why did she care that this gal who's walked in doesn't have a lot of cash? Why would she need it to like have the double power? She needed to like go, I gotta hold your hand

on all these things. Like that's what she made her frog into. The boyfriend, that's why the house got weirdly interior decorated, but no one commented on. I can't figure your hand on all these things. Like, that's what she made her frog into the boyfriend. That's why the house got weirdly interior decorated, but no one commented on. I can't figure that out at all. No one cuts. She didn't go, oh, you changed your house. Like, no one ever commented.

It was the same place. Same place. Same place. Yeah. No interior furniture. And but yet, the witch is like, oh yeah, we went to school back in 1800 together. Like, she showed her the book.

So they were together, but one was more powerful than the other. I just get the sense that she didn't have a lot of skills as a witch and she needed this youth to kind of help her beef up her potion. I kind of want to see a prequel with that character going through school. I would like to see very cool, very artful, early 1900s,

just going around, having fun with Zelda Rubenstein. Like you could easily take this movie and make a Buffy the Vampire Slayer style TV show based on this. Oh yeah. You know, it's no different. It's like that was a show with a girl like that. I touched her two fingers together and then small wonder. No, no girl. It's dad was an alien.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't that the one that Paul Feig was on? Oh, was it oh, maybe yeah, Sabrina the teenage witch? Well, that's a different one. That's Sabrina the that Sabrina the teenage which is essentially that. That's true. You're right. Yeah, we shouldn't even go out of it.

Yeah, they did it. They've done it. I'm not that. Why did she have birth control in her bag? That was a great. I don't know. You've done it, I'm right. That's this. Why did she have birth control in her bag? What was the reason? What was the reason? I don't know. By the way, this is the most sexed up school of all time.

Every class was about sex. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they were always talking about sex, but yeah, they don't explain why she was on birth control. I mean, some girls needed to regulate their period, but I feel like- But no, she says it's not used. Doesn't he say it's not used?

But she's carrying it around like a condom, like just in case, like I'll hop these if I start getting in case Brad's ready. She's gonna start taking that off. She got all the restrictions. She got all the restrictions. Not how it works. Also sending out the wrong message.

Like she should be taking them on the off-chance. But you know what? It's responsible for her to be on birth control. But she's not. Absolutely. But she's not. Yeah, absolutely. But she's not. Maybe he was a new packet and this was her first day. Yeah, like we missed the scene where she went to the pharmacy.

Maybe. I love the condom chant. Oh, yes. Oh my god. This is into the sex ed scene here. This is the teacher holds up an umbrella and this is what transpires when the teachers told that she has to teach health. So she immediately has to teach them about sex. Here we go

A Roger a love one joystick dong zip-alism tally wacket frows a snake long that if that's enough friend. Thank you Now it's a race against time It's roused a snake, shlaw. That, that's enough, Fred. Thank you. No problem. Now it's a race against time. Sparky's firm is loose, and he's heading for this target in the V-A. And when he reaches it, he makes a baby. He's not just exactly what we don't want. Not yet.

So, simply, Use one of these. She pulls out a condom. Oh, times. There you go. It's called a condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom.

Condom. Condom. Condom. That is an insane scene. Wow. Because that happens in the movie. That is what? It goes to English as a second language for a moment, which is like, condom. And then they chant it.

It's so weird. Well, I guess it is a theme in a lot of these teen movies, though, just the parents and adults being so disconnected from what kids know. But it almost seemed like they learned condom in that moment. Like they were learning it too. They even thought they knew all of the words for a dick. Yeah, right.

You know, like she's like, well, you might know 25 rhyming words for dicks, but I bet you don't know what a condom is. Well, it started to feel like reproduction from Grease 2, which is a great scene. And I believe that they shot more of a musical number for this. That it broke out. And then realized, is it an exact replica of Grease 2

and had to cut it down? Well, that makes sense. Yeah. I want to talk about the number of chairs that were in her bedroom or the lack of. Well, they were in the closet and we did see how many chairs were in there. Oh, but there was a reason.

Yes, of course there was a reason. Well, because every single family member who came in commented on the fact that there were no chairs there. This is a girls bedroom. How many chairs do you think she would need in a bedroom? I guess you're right. There were chairs stacked upon chairs stacked upon chairs.

But do you know the reason was? I know the reason, didn't she? She wanted him on the bed. She had to get him on the bed for this well-term. How many chairs did my brother have in the bedroom? How many chairs just won't even have any bedroom? I know the reason, isn't she? She wanted him on the bed. She had to get him on the bed for this well-tomorrow. That's not my problem. That's not my problem. My problem is, my problem is,

my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is,

my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, my problem is, Cheers and I bet. Wow. Most of them just are surrounding the poker table. Woo! Oh, oh, yeah.

I have a poker table in my bedroom. Off the side of the bed, very safe. Just because a bunch of guys play poker they're most nights. And you go about your business. You don't play poker. I sleep. Yeah, yeah. I don't play poker.

I'm not the average. They're not ghosts. That lives in the house before when that burnt down. It needs to be a house of overpute, right? I don't know. All right, not only gonna do it, mate. And your house was actually famous for being a whorehouse

gambling establishment in the early 20s. We're burned down and a lot of people who were gambling died. If you set a table, they will come and they will play. So it's 30, all right. All right. So six chairs. Yeah, they all are obsessed with the chairs in her room. And where they went. She's got a lot of room there. I mean, you need to put six chairs in a

closet. That's a big closet. Put six wicker chairs in the closet. I mean, where those chairs must have just, there must have been one chair at her vanity. And then five chairs just spread about. Spread about. That bed. Just sort of guess. And why was he so opposed to sing on her bed? He was really, Well to me if I were him I would have been like, well, let's, why are we go, like let's go down stairs. So the guy would have been like, why are we going to your bedroom?

Well, I mean, don't you think that he kind of would like to get in there? Not at that point now. He wasn't seeing her any kind of way at that point. Yeah, not at that point. All right, I hear you. So animals were harmed in making this movie, right? We could all agree on that. When they forcibly take a dog and try to throw it

into the bathtub, that dog was not trained and did not seem like he wanted to be there at all. Like that dog was, that actually made me feel bad for a dog. The dogs never want to be there. You're saying that as though, yeah, like they're safe to be there. Well, sometimes like Benji, sometimes like Benji are excited to get out

in the movie world and do this stuff. Benji at Marine Land, he got into the industry. Well, Benji notoriously, very ambitious. Yes. Not like a Milo from Milo notice, only probably did like a one film. Benji was like in it to win it. Like this dog, this dog definitely

didn't have the eye of the tiger at all. Not at all. No, I mean, he didn't, they're coservants. And that's a bummer when you have a dog like that, take away parts from dogs who really want to be working. I mean, just think of how many dogs didn't get jobs that year. Yeah, and it's because, you know, if you're not giving it your all as a dog

as an actor and a dog, it's like then don't, then leave it open for everybody else. It's not fair, it's not fair. Were those bubbles just there prior to her turning her brother into a dog? Is that what was the else? She came home from school, he was eating a giant pizza at the table with the only conclusion. It was marshmallows, I thought it was giant pieces of mozzarella. I believe they were marshmallows.

I think you're as way smarter than me. The only conclusion I could come to is that he had set a bath for himself. Oh, and she knew it was ready to go. Nope. There is no way that creature takes. Oh, he's disgusting. He's disgusting. Like, I feel like they have to trick him into getting in the back yard so they can hose him down. Yeah, he's like that kind of kid. He's like from the, yeah, gritty.

I want to know how old he was. The actor was when doing this part. Well, he is 70. He is 40 years old. He's 70 years old right now. He's 42. Currently. Currently. And he graduated from Yale and he sold the show. He's a writer. He's great. Yeah, he is, let's see. He's done a lot of interesting stuff. He is writer, graduated from Yale, wrote a few novels, got a series picked up by Fox called Howl, and he's a part of Leonardo DiCaprio's Posse, affectionately called the Posse Posse. He's part of the Posse Posse. Oh, that's interesting. The kid from Teen Witch is part of the Posse Posse.

Yep. And wow. Yeah, he's part of the pussy posse. And here he is. He's definitely. I've never seen him before, definitely. I mean, we're looking at a picture of him. He looks great.

Shirtless with a martini glass in front of him. Smoking a cigarette. Hair grown out. I love that June goes, he looks great. I thought, I think this guy's amazing. He said that he really did not like this movie or being associated with this movie until a drag queen told him how much it meant to him.

And then he said that I don't take compliments from drag queens lightly because they have no problem telling you what time it is. There's no fucking bullshit with drag queens. Yeah, so that made him kind of enjoy the movie now. But a very attractive guy. His performance is to me in my life legend. It is.

He's been a lot of different good stuff. Yeah. You think you're special because you went to a dance. His lightings are huge. So perfect. So good. It's almost like the director was just like, have fun in you, your whole thing.

Can you imagine if you're casting this movie and this guy walks in? Yeah, it does that with these words, right? I got 9,240's gangsters liked it. You're like, thank God. Well, don't you think that they were like, oh shit, this movie doesn't really have humor. Like if you took him out, there's no jokes in this movie.

Where John Hughes had jokes and characters that were funny. Everybody here is kind of sad. Like, ultimately, a sad sack. A sad sack. Yeah, the mom could have used a little brother in her performance. Like, the mom was just sad. A lot of people could.

Yes, totally. Shall we get into top that? The first ever rap battle on film. I'm calling it and that? Sure. The first ever rap battle on film. I'm calling it and saying it's the first of a rap battle on film. Let's take a listen to the classic top that. I'm King and they know it. When I snap my fingers and these bodies say sure I'm hot and you're not. But if you want to hang with me, I'll give it one shot top that!

Super Sonic idiot, disconnected, not respected Who would ever really want to go on top that? Such a waste of pretty face, but hanging in your nowhere space I wish that you would take a look and really stop that, top that! Well, stop that! I don't really give up about trying to top that, top that! Stop that! I wish you finally take that, talk that, stop that. I wish you finally take a real look and really stop that. What's this?

Stop that. Give. I don't really give up about trying to stop that. Talk that. Big, big, stop that. Unreal. You can try until you bloom. I will make a fool of you, talk that.

And then she walks away from the kids that she likes. I will make a fool of you, talk to you, blue. I will get in there. Yeah. And Louise gives her a little spell so that she can like top that. Now that you too relate to the movie Deanna and Jason, we're kids doing this in high school at the time just rapping by cars and by lockers. I will say not rapping but for sure break dancing. Okay. For sure there was a lot of break dancing in the hallways of school. And I might have participated. I got a picture of me. I got a picture of me.

100%. She used to always bust my chops about my blossom. Like when I was... No, I was ha... I was ha... I was ha... All day long. But later on in life,

she would go up to people like we just have met someone. Maybe I was trying to make an impression and she would say to them, Dianne used to dress like a grandma in high school. I was like, oh, okay, awesome. But like I was hats and that move when she slowly took the hat down, like that's everything I wanted to do. That's everything I wanted to be.

Show everybody what's under that hat. Just show everybody what's under the hat. Just show everybody what's, I would wear a hat and a tie and a vester jacket. Would wear a jacket. You'd be accessorized from head to toe. What I love about the team, when the team which put on her like, Jing-Jacket, it was a Jing-Jacket

with like a swatch of rug. Like a rug with, yeah. You're seeing interesting thing because to me, that's very Molly Ringwald in pretty in pink, like that look, we all saw and considered like beautiful. Yes. But that is what Luis Guizmán is giving us in the beginning of this movie is Molly Ringwald,

which was cool. Cool. I had. Which well, sort of. She's giving us a little bit of that, but she's giving us the frumpier version of it. And then when she gets into full-on side pony and neon stuff and mini skirts,

then she's giving us more of the 80s, kind of a newer thing or maybe. Or of like I'm trying to think of who the character is that represents it, but like. She's a more valley girl mall, like that kind of thing. The girl from some kind of wonderful, the blonde who was in the Untamed Heart movie with Christian Slater, like Mary- Not Mary's to it, Master's in.

No, because Mary's to it, Master's in is a tomboy. She's wearing like overalls. Oh, yeah. And the shirt, yeah. And the hats and plays the drums. And you know that that movie was an answer movie because they shot pretty in pink where in Molly Ringwald ends up with Ducky at the end.

Oh right. And audiences, young girl audiences revolted. I know, it's one of the most devastating. We want her to end up with Blaine. I know. So they had to redo the movie to end up with Blaine and then John Hughes was like, you know what, I don't like it.

I'm gonna make a different movie where the right two people end up and it is some kind of wonderful. Oh, wow. Maybe Valley Girl is it that kind of look? It's like watching Pretty Pink to me at the end of that movie and it is interesting that most young girls felt that way because I could never shake feeling so sorry for Ducky. Oh my God.

I was so devastated. I was a dude. I was like, it was all, I was sure as a guy. But like I couldn't, I couldn't ever get over that Duckie and her were not gonna be together. Yeah. Well, didn't they wanna make it like that he was gay?

Isn't that the like the new telling of it? Like he doesn't belong, yes. I don't belong with her because he's gay. I don't think so. I mean, I mean, I'm so only because they're intention right was not that They're into the shot yes so that they would be together Um, and then had to reshoot the home It did they had to do a month of reshoot so to unravel it and figure out how to make it work

But it really was to me. I was like wait the richy rich handsome guys win it you kidding craze there any hope for us fedora wearing blazer wearing right now break dancers before we wrap up I do think that there's one thing we haven't talked about and I feel like no one's mentioned to me about this movie but the murder house that he brings her to yeah to fuck her or or just her kisser, essentially, which was the most uncomfortable scene for me. So what a way. Can we just even unpack this choice?

Like, he takes her out in this date, brings her into the park to an abandoned house. That's like runs up ahead and she's fighting through like unfolded. Yeah, to try to get there. And it's really hilly. And and it's so it's bizarre, right? I mean, like that, like, it's not what's sexual about that house. It's like, I get it to. Yeah, I got it.

Did you have those? I didn't have I didn't have any action in high school. So they were there was a bridge, which you know, the bridge and yeah, that people went to and drank and I never really went to the bridge, but I knew it was there. So I felt like this house was just like the house that everyone went to make up. It wasn't like his idea. He's just following what everybody calls. But I don't think it's a rape house.

I think it's like, oh, there's a secret place, like in like a field of sunflowers that is like an abandoned place where we can go and be alone. But when they take off her shoes, you can't go anywhere. Yeah, right, I guess, but like to me, it's like when she takes off her shoes,

like she's never shoes and you see that carpet, and it looks like, oh, this was a murder house. I agree, she's like walking up these stairs, and she's like in this unfinished room, it murder house. And she's like, walk in these stairs and she's like, in this unfinished room, it does look like this could turn out very wrong. And it doesn't feel super romantic until they get into that thing that's another bother,

something for me, is too intimate of a kiss. It's too gentle for me. Oh, it doesn't like it. I don't like it. It doesn't like. You see it's too gentle for me. Oh, I don't like it. I don't like it. Really, it doesn't. Oh, it's beautiful. He sees like sincere, gentle, gentle love making unfilm.

Right, it grosses. It literally drives him nuts. It's also gross when it's, it's also gross, I mean, this is weird, but it's also gross when teenagers kiss gently like adults. Yes, you know what I mean? Because- That's what it's about right now.

Forgive me. Forgive me, but teenagers should be like devour each other. Yeah, right. You know, like that is like, when you read, when you see and hear all of her poetry about him like just owning her or whatever, then you see them just like tender kisses. Like braces should be clenching.

Yes, tender. It's tender and that's what was upsetting about it. I was upset, I was fine with the house. I was upset with his sexy hide and seek game because I thought he was hot until that. So that scene because he was presenting his body like it was a gift from a god. When he's throwing those footballs, his body is already right. Don't get me wrong, but I'm not into a guy presenting his figure and doing a strip. He's poor.

No. Junior, you don't seem to mind it when I show you my two-packed. No, I don't. You like that. And I don't like a guy. I love for you guys at some point. Like Paul runs ahead and is like stripping up his jacket. Well, he was being like,

Hey, I have a deep, cool cut cut. I'm gonna cut it. Yeah, like she should have been running up the stairs and he should be like, they flipped the roll. They did flip the roll. Like he should have been like, Hey, what's, oh, hey, you know, she should have been presenting herself, but it was.

It was very weird. Take me and then that long, it was too hang, we hung on it too long. I agree. Oh boy. And the fact that she wasn't even for one second concerned about like a tetanus situation, but she was. Oh, she should have kept those boots on. She should have taken the shoes off walking outside in the grass.

Yes, and put them all on the inside on the floor. Come on, guys. Carehouse. Obviously, we hadn't opinion about this movie, but there are people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions. All right, these are five star reviews called from, all about the film, Teen Witch. This is from J. Dubb and simply written like this. Teen Witch is the most magical movie of all time.

I watch it three times a day, sometimes four on the weekends. Five stars. Which obviously they're not being truthful, but it is odd. This one's written by Stephanie May. Maybe I love this movie because I was the fat lonely girl who I crushes on all the cute guys, but they didn't even know I was alive. So I guess this movie was my wish. I can't wait for it to be out on DVD and I watched today thinking back to that time and

smiling that I overcame that awkwardness and found my great guy, me being fat or not. But at that time in my life, I thought the only way I was going to ever get a cute guy to like me was to get handed some magical powers. LOL. But seriously, five stars. And then finally, this is by Teriel, I'm 53 years old, and I like most things that have to do with Halloween. The movie Teen Witch is one of my favorite classical movies. I would recommend it to anyone at any age who's looking to see what it's like to be popular, being popular, and then wanting your original life back as it was. Great. Here's the thing which we didn't even really discuss. She doesn't ever, she does give up her powers. Ish, Ish, she throws off the amulette, but she never the her necklace.

And you said it. Emulette. How do you pronounce it? I know. Emulette. Oh God, here we go. Emulette. Tell me you pronounced that hotel chain.

Uh oh. Uh oh. Ramada? Oh, now you do it, right? Oh, Ramada. I'm like, she's like, I think we got a nice hotel at the Ramada. Oh my God. When June first moved to LA, she called it so polvidop.

Like it was a crazy thing to everybody. So polvidop. But she never does anything to woo him back as herself. So she just shows up at the dance and is just herself and he's into it. But nothing is, yeah, it's into it, but nothing is... Yeah, it was a total... I mean, look, nothing changed. She didn't go back to a different outfit. She's already cool. Nobody can take that from her. So nothing changed.

She doesn't look like a fall from Great. Well, that is Teen Witch. You can watch it on Netflix. You can read more about it on slashfilm.com. Blake Harris got deep with the writer, director, and some great stories there. Diana, talk to us about your podcast. Tell us about it and where they can find it. Well, thank you so much for having me. This was really important for me to have seen this movie.

You know, I don't like movies in general. Yes, Diana's anti-movie. I mean, you know, whatever, but I need it. I want to ask Diana. If she, Diana, tell me she does not like movies. I don't have the strength for them, but this was a point. Just explain it a little bit more like in. I don't have this strength to be disappointed. It's like I can sit and watch as much trash TV as you want to throw my way, but if I'm

going to commit to a two hour movie, I have a lot of expectations. And I want too much probably. And this delivered, so thank you. Okay, great, great. What was one movie that you felt did not deliver? Recently, what did you have to do? Steve Jobs. All right.

Disappointed. So you would say that 90% of the time you are disappointed by a film. But you're perfectly satisfied with like back-to-back episodes of House Hounders International? Yeah, I mean real housewives, but yeah. Or two hour episode of the bachelor. Sure.

Okay, so it's not about the time, man. No. It's about the expectation. It's about my expectations being really too high probably. Okay. You know, and I want a lot. Is there any way to lower them? I don't, this is going five years probably.

Yeah. Then I've felt this way. So this is the don't, this is going five years probably. Yeah. Then I've felt this way. So. So this is the first movie you've seen in five years. This isn't the first movie, but. She doesn't see movies. She doesn't see movies. I don't step out and see movies.

Unless somebody, you know, the Steve Jobs, I watch with my dad, like, it's only if I, so. Have a reason. This was important. I loved every second of it. I will watch this movie again. Oh, wow, as a non-movie watcher, that's probably the highest top one I've ever had.

Yeah, absolutely. As a person who doesn't like movies, that is really high praise. Oh, and after we interview people under 25 and try to stay hip and cool by what they teach us. This is one of my favorite ones because it's fascinating, because I even think, oh, I'm up on enough stuff.

But then when you talk to people under 25, you realize how far away you are. Well, I will say we'll tell you about John Hughes films. Like, they were so meaningful to all of us for so many reasons, but like what do kids have now? Snapchats. Yeah. To watch, like, they don't have those movies.

Nope, they have DJ Khaled on Snapchat. How do they even learn how to be? Yeah, or like, you know, I mean, Molly Ringwald was just so important to me. Oh, yeah. And I really, she's important. Yeah. Well, now a guy does family guy impressions

is probably the new kind of. Or PewDiePie. PewDiePie. And I think something about watching this and seeing the fashions and how people were experiencing life. It's like, nothing was ironic. Everyone's dead ass. And I miss that and I feel bad for kids

because they don't have that today. Well, my question is, what are we gonna look back on right now in this moment and go, oh, we wore that. I think that we have actually, as a society kind of conserved ourselves. I think you're wrong. Oh yeah, we just don't know.

Ted twos and everything Kylie Jenner does. Yeah, I think 10, 15 years from now, people being covered in tattoos will be hilarious. Yeah, I know. Oh, yes. I'm like so excited for it. I cannot wait. People are gonna be like, look at this.

This, remember when people just did this to themselves? There's no way that that's not gonna happen. Because it's a trend and it's crazy. There's a great comic book, Brian Cave on comic book called Private Eye, that takes place in a very near future where our generation are the grandparents. So all the old people have full sleeve tattoos and are like look ridiculous. I guess I don't notice it as a trend. have full-sleeved tattoos and are like look ridiculous. I guess I don't notice it as a trend.

Like in my mind it's just like, oh, some people have tats and some people don't. Because there's people now that have tattoos that when you were younger in a million, only like bikers. Exactly. I guess that's true. It's just an eye-catching.

If you were in the army, yeah. Right. It was like that kind of stuff. Now just ubiquitous. Now it's like everybody has to do. People are having like, like, Stewie. Let's, and let's all know. Like Louise Guzman would have tattoos.

It's just like. Yeah. Already, like, it's all, like, you can look at it in terms of trends even within tattoos. Like a tramp stamp is now an embarrassing tattoo to have, right? Versus like, it couldn't have been more like hip and cool to have a tramp stamp at the beginning of that blah, blah, blah. So now, like how long before all tattoos are... This is meaningful to me as someone

who's always debated getting a tattoo, right? Yeah. Well, at my wedding in November, two of my girlfriends from college, it's, we were laughing. They're in formal dresses and they both have that like Pamela Anderson barbed wire tattoo around their arm because that was the tribal stupid thing and they're

horrified by it but that's just what I also think in like five, ten years they'll be away to like one time go and just have a tattoo just like removed. June but June's tattoo that she wants is on her arm and it says got balls like it's like milk. Yeah but it's like a picture of like two testicles. I think that will suit the test. No, won't, like truck nuts. Truck, what's truck nuts? Truck nuts is like what you,

they're hanging off the back of the back of the truck and they're like two single balls. They're like a scrotum with balls. Roger that. Jason, what do you want to tell America? When does this come out, Paul? Today. Tonight, I will be on a television show called Brooklyn 99.

I think it's called Brooklyn 99. I'm on the next four episodes. Check it out. It's very funny. June Diane. I don't really have anything to plug, but I will plug Grace and Frankie that's on the first season's on Netflix

and the second season comes out May 6th. Wow, that sounds very exciting. And I just said that I don't need to stall for my own thought about it. I don't have anything to plug. I don't think I have anything to plug, but I will tell you. Things like you were genuinely hearing that.

Oh, I'll always ask that. If you want to watch me make up with Alison Brie, go watch how to be single. Oh, yeah, yeah. In theaters now. I have a genius, but I can't wait to. So, you know, I don't have anything to plug specifically, but I'll tell you this much.

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