How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: The 6th Day

Episode Date: May 13, 2024

Two Arnold Schwarzeneggers?! Paul, June, and Jason get double the Ahhhnold in the 2000 sci-fi clone flick The 6th Day. They discuss the creepy SimPal Cindy doll, the XFL, Arnold's love of cigars, Michael Rapaport's hologram girlfriend, and so much more. Plus, Paul and Jason swap sad childhood stories involving a robot friend and a cowboy costume. (Originally Released 07/15/2021) Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Pre-Order Paul’s book about his childhood, Joyful Recollections of Trauma, wherever books are soldFor extra Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerHDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

Bah, I'm a clone. We saw the sixth day, so you know what that means. Now it's time for How Did This Get Made? We're gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater, cause you know you're one that had a discapade. Let's follow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question,

how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I am Tal Johnshear, and today we are talking about the Arnold Schwarzenegger film The Sixth Day, which came out November 17, 2000. They used the numerical sixth in that because they felt that if they spelt out six, it would confuse people, thinking it was a sequel to The Sixth Sense. Okay, what do you need to know if you've not seen this movie? Very simple.

Arnold Schwarzenegger runs a extreme sports company, I guess we'll get into it, and when he decides to take on a very wealthy man, things in his life start to go awry. And I'll leave it again at that because I don't wanna talk about any of this movie without my two co-hosts. Please welcome Jason Manzoukis and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both? Not, you know, having just finished this movie, I didn't like it.

I don't feel great. Oh my gosh. I feel like it's the summer of clones, question mark, between replicas and this. I'm sensing a theme. I made this choice. Avery Halle, our amazing producer, picks all of our films, gave us a handful of choices

for our next film. And I thought, why not go back into the tank? Let's go back into the tank. It's like Clone Girl Summer. Yes. Yes. Yes. We're cloning last week's episode, and this is our second cloned episode.

Wow. So are we willing to say that we are going to do clone-based movies all summer long? There is one more. Clone Girl Summer? There is one more that I kind of want to put next, but I won't. I will take us out of the world of cloning.

You know what? I god damn dare you. Put it next. Now will take us out of the world of cronies. You know what? I goddamn dare you. Put it next. Now that's not to be confused with Crone Girl Summer, which is something that Jessica St. Clair is trying to get started, which I don't think anybody wants. Well, and then not to be confused with Crone's Girl Summer,

which is really something that is very uncomfortable for a lot of, yeah, that's very uncomfortable. That's just an awareness raising campaign for those of us who suffer from Crohn's disease. Exactly. It's funny you didn't like this movie, Jason. I'm actually surprised. Now it was too long.

It was fine. It was two hours in format. It's not that I didn't like it, it just was long and a little boring. That's it. Oh, I thought this was classic Schwartz. I did too. I enjoyed the hell out's it. Oh, I thought this is classic Schwartz. I did too. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

And it was interesting to me that he was playing this part, because as I was watching it, I was like, oh my god, like, if you told me, if you told me Arnold, the person, the actor, was cloned, I would say, of course, you know, he has big clone energy. B-C-E, he's got that B-C-E. That's the- He walks with that B-C-E.

He walks with that B-C-E. So there was something kind of right about him in this part. I would believe if you told me the Arnold Schwarzenegger that we know was a clone. Like, I would believe. But like, hasn't he kind of done some version of this before? Oh, I don't know. No, I don't think.

This is the one where he definitely plays two parts. I don't think there's another Schwarzenegger movie where he plays two parts. The nice thing about that as an actor is it's like, oh, it's not like I have to play two wildly different characters. I actually get to show up and play this other role. Same role, different jacket.

Which is both the same role and also the same person as myself, so I actually have to do zero acting. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the thing. He's not clumping it up. No, he's not. No, no, he's not. He really is.

He's playing two versions of the same exact character. The only difference is their outfits and a shaving scar, a shaving cut, which is then spoilers for the movie is proven to be faked. I was very interested in that shaving cut because it was, it definitely pulled your attention at a certain point. You're like, well, why didn't they just fix that? Like, why? Like it is an, it's an odd thing for a giant movie star

in a big movie to have like a small shaving cut. Like it was distracting to me. It's like, you know, I was like, oh, what, like it made me uneasy, I think. But then it did play into the whole movie. So you know what? You got me. Well, it's, it's what it establishes another thing,

which I am kind of obsessed with, which is in movies in which Arnold Schwarzenegger is meant to be an ordinary guy. Oh, yeah. A normal, small business owner, helicopter pilot, dude, just a- Extreme sports. A guy who happens to know how to snap people's necks,

shoot a gun, like do a lot of stuff. He does not know how to do that, I would argue. I'd argue that- He snaps Wiley's neck, like he snaps a bunch of necks. But I agree. He's a straight how to do that. I would argue I'd argue that he snaps Wiley's neck like he snaps a bunch of neck Well, but I agree straight-up neck snapper. Oh, I mean this guy is is is Is breaking necks and taking names? But I mean I I think that you're you're supposed to believe that he's never been in a situation like this before It's not like oh and also he was an ex military man

And that's why he knows this. Like, he goes from normal Joe to... But does he wear a military jacket? He does. And I guess there was, he is some sort of, he has a war wound that Tony Goldwyn at one point says, you know, we also replicated your war scar or whatever. Um, so I guess, theoretically, he was in some sort of war that we are just not privy to the information. I mean this movie does take place as they say, sooner than you think.

Oh right. Most movies will give you a year sooner than you think. Most movies will give you a year. This says sooner than you think and we know it's the future because or I guess I should say we know this is the failed future because this is a movie that comes out in 2000 probably at the height of the XFL and they went all in they were all in the opening sequence of this movie is fully XFL football which is real if you didn't know about XFL oh yeah it was like a yes it was like I thought that was just like they didn't have the rights to say an NFL no it was like an indoor... I thought that that was just like they didn't have the rights to say an NFL. No, it was like an actual...

Paul, you probably know better than me. Yes, Vince McMahon. It was like an actual league that was started. Yes, and it's back. It was founded by Vince McMahon. It has come back. It's basically... That's what it is.

Yeah, Vince McMahon, it was a joint between the WWF and NBC where they basically decided, hey, let's make football a little bit scarier. Let's do it in a different time. It was running during late winter and early spring because it was like, hey, you want more football, here you go. It featured various modifications to increase its intensity as well as on-air innovations such as sky cams And they also did I think you could hear in the huddle So you would have like microphones on players in-game interviews

So things that actually they do now in all sports Yeah, wait, so what but were they modifying like the actual sport of football? Like, was it more intense? It wasn't, wasn't there, yeah, wasn't there, wasn't it supposed to be like fewer rules or wasn't it supposed to be like a harder, edgier, an edgier game or a faster game or something? Yes, it was a smaller team.

That was one of the big things. Cause it was all in these like smaller indoor stadiums. Right? Like's like I'll tell you the these are the big different this is now officially an XFL sportscast we're just do we're just doing that now I can't believe this is real after 11 years of how did this get made we're switching to an XFL based finally getting in there is a really easy transition. Really? It was very like, the other thing, here's the thing. We have so much to discover.

None of us know much of anything. And we're about to learn a lot. Let's go. Oh, yeah. I mean, so here we go. First thing, the big thing. Devin, could you drop in a whistle here for to start the game?

Whistle. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Players cannot move forward into the ball is caught by the returner that is on the kickoff. Similarly on punts, the punting team cannot release past the line of scrimmage until the ball is kicked which made it so you would encourage returns on kickoffs and punts. The other big thing about this was they they would not do field goals for extra points. Instead it had a three-tiered point system.

So it was one point you run a play from the second yard line, two points if you run a play from the five yard line, three points if you run a play from the ten yard line. No kicking points were allowed. And then over time... No kicking points were allowed. That seems like a real like anti soccer bias Yeah, it was like you can't score any points with your feet And then

The way they did it over time was over time shall consist of five rounds Staged in alternating single play possessions like an NHL shootout a round would consist of one offensive play per team. Each possession starts at the opponent's five yard line, and the offensive team has one play to score. The team with the most points after five rounds was the winner. Kind of sounds fun. That's interesting.

I mean, yeah, it just sounds faster, and it sounds like the games probably have higher scores or something like that. 25 second play clock. They could do a double forward pass. And after the two minute warning, they allowed teams to come back. So basically it was just like,

they basically just wanted you to be in this point. And you can suplex anybody that you want. Yes. And wrestling moves are fully approved. Yeah, you could definitely slam a chair over An offensive players head every every game is a steel cage game But yeah, I mean I love a movie that Where the studio and everyone's like, okay?

Yeah, we know this is the future and we're gonna make this so it will like when people watch this in 20 years They're gonna be like, oh wow, this is feels current and topical but the XFL Stadium and that opening scene is wild because a character that we really don't ever see again is Johnny Phoenix Johnny Phoenix is just You know, basically he's paralyzed and the opening Uh, you know, basically, uh, he's paralyzed in the opening scene.

He's murdered. I mean, essentially. Not, not, I mean, he dies in the ambulance, but like... Well, I mean, he dies because they... He gets clobbered. Yeah. They force him to die. Like, they go, well, you know what? Because they don't want to pay him out? I mean, that, that really is the...

I think that they, their idea is basically rather than treat his broken spine, they would rather just in two hours, they can have a new clone of him up and running, right? Right, and they don't wanna pay somebody who is recouping in the hospital. They would rather clone a new version of him so we can continue to earn. And have him play next week. That's one of the first things that you get.

That's one of the first hints that something's awry. You watch the cold open of the movie is, and I thought it was effective. Like you see the game and the game is, that you get, that's one of the first hints that something's awry. You watch the cold open of the movie is, and I thought that it was effective, like the, you see the game and the game is, they shot the shit out of the XFL game. I'm assuming the stadium was already set up for it. So it really, it looks good. And then they clobber him.

Then, then, then Michael Rooker, Yondu, from the Guardians of the Galaxy movies comes in, who is just one of the great character actors of all time. And he gets in the car, he's obviously, if Michael Rooker or Sean Bean are in the movie, they are the bad guy. Oh right, and they're so good. They're the best. They're just terrifying.

And Tony Goldwyn for that matter. Tony Goldwyn is great. I like Tony Goldwyn, he's always great. He's incredible here again. He's so good here, he's so good in Ghost. He's so good. Tony Goldblum is so good at playing that charming, smarmy bad guy, you know?

Like the, and Michael Rooker is the best, like the muscle, the bad guy, the true danger. And we also have the first onscreen performance by Terry Crews as the muscle in this movie, which was also great to see. I love it. And it was before Terry Crews had kind of found the Terry Crews that we know and love. So he is just, he's very intimidating, but it's not like, it's not a, I think he has

more likeability. Yes. You know that? Well, I mean, the Terry Crews that we know from Brooklyn Nine-Nine or from recent Terry Crews has a real affability to him. And this performance is menacing. He is one of the bad guys. He is one of the cabal of villainous people

who are the killers. It's him. Sarah Winter. Yeah. Okay, that wig stuff made me laugh though, because when there's one bad guy who's a bad gal played by this actress, she's very beautiful. And she, when she gets cloned.

So she's wearing this like bright blue wig or colorful wig when we first meet her in his dress, like really futuristic. But when she gets cloned, you know, their bodies come out sort of like from, it looks like they're coming directly from the embryo sack and filled with like, you know, embryonic fluid and like skin that's extra skin that hasn't come off.

So when she comes out, she has a head of hair on her, like her real hair. We've already seen her in her chopped bob. Right, but then she has a comment. But when she comes out of the tent, yes. Yeah, and she says like, ugh, like she's pissed that this has happened again. And she says like, I can't believe I'm gonna have to go

get my hair done again. Do you know how expensive that hair treatment is? Do you know how expensive it is? And I'm like, well, so she's going to her hairstylist. Every, like what was that hair person think? She's in four times. Four times. Right, with her normal head of like natural hair.

Yes, and that person has to recreate, so that person must be faced with utter confusion. Like how has this happened? That person must be like, am I okay? Like what, what? You have to assume that she's going to different hair places. You see, no, I assume that-

So as to not raise any alarm. It did sound like it, Jason. It did sound like it. Can I, no. What I think is happening, and based on how this movie plays out, I think she's going back to the hairstylist, having her fix her hair, shooting her, and then recloning her

back to before she went in to get her hair cut again. You think she's been there? She's using the tech to clone her hairdresser? So the hairdresser doesn't realize that she's been doing this new haircut. Because this is the kind of cloning that's going on. By the way, we talked about- The cl time does seem willy-nilly oh well and you talked about the cold one says you can do it in two hours I was like wait what I mean there there is a moment they gloss over the cloning so quickly that

they actually drop it in the background in a commercial it all begins with the growing of blanks animal drones stripped of all characteristic DNA and embryonic background in a commercial. and courting process, all of your pets thoughts, memories and instincts are painlessly transplanted via the optic nerve. Like, that's the biggest explanation we get of cloning in like the pet store scene, which is off to the side, but they're cloning full people. And my question to you, June, you brought it up, was when they come out of that sack, they rub like, like gunk on them. They rub like embryonic fluid on them. I think they're rubbing it off of them, aren't they?

Oh, I thought they were rubbing it on to make their skin more silky smooth. I didn't know. Oh, they're just scooping it off. You think they're rubbing it to make their skin more silky smooth? Yeah, I thought they were almost putting a set of fill on them or something like that. So you think the goal

of the clones is to have softer skin? I think it's like, hey, look, you've been hanging around in this bag. You've been this... I'm coming out of this sack all calloused and with workman's hands? I want silky smooth, baby. It's like, you know, you just got cloned. Let's just like massage your muscles.

Like it's like tenderizing meat because the truth is too, these are bodies. Wait, do you think these clones are to be eaten? Tenderizing meat? Well, it's like a meat locker. Like they're just hanging there. Like these half bodies. Do you think these clones are to be eaten? Tenderizing meat. Well, it's like a meat locker. They're just hanging there. These half bodies with no faces. I mean, when we get to the melted man at the end, I have a lot to say.

But they're just like these, they're half grown. I mean, from what we saw last week on the show in Replicas, how they kind of fully grown. Here they are like, let's just get it all ready. It's like they basically get the body at 75 and then you drop in the last 25%. Yeah, that's something like in these movies that I think the filmmakers think will love to like the audience is going to love to see. And, and actually I think I do love to see it. There's something interesting about seeing the birth

of these clones on just sort of slabs of concrete where you're seeing these adult human bodies in like fetal positions. And it's just so shocking to see like Tony Goldwyn, when he, spoiler alert, he gets cloned at the end, but he doesn't get fully baked. Right. They didn't, they cut open his sack before he was ready.

Like, so he looks bad. You see these adult bodies like cooking up. It's just so, it's so unsettling. It's so unsettling to see like the raw materials that we understand to be embryonic stages of birth mapped onto like full-sized human beings. You know, it's very strange to see all the things that we understand are natural for the birth of a child to have what's produced be these adults over and over and over again. We watch adults be cloned, which is very bizarre

and unsettling whether or not their skin is silky, smooth enough for whoever is receiving them. By the way, I gotta say, when Sarah Winter came out, I thought to myself, she looks good. And she was all mad that she didn't look good. I was like, she came out of this cloning process. I she didn't look good. I was like, you know, she came out of this cloning process. I feel like she looked like, I was like, you know what? Maybe a little bit less on the makeup there

because I feel like her natural look, her freshly cloned look was really nice. Do you want me to leave you alone with silky smooth Sarah Winter? All right, look, now we can all agree that there were some uncomfortable moments in watching these bodies pop out, but was it more uncomfortable

than watching Arnold Schwarzenegger act naturally? Like, when he is acting like a normal guy and smiling and joking? When he's acting like a dad? Yeah, I don't like that. When he's acting like a dad with his daughter, it was so weird. When he's like, yeah, you're absolutely right. There's all of the, I would say all of the family elements and the small business owner elements of this story

are absolutely bizarre. Was also like this sort of, I was wondering actually, I was like, now in the script, were they, did the screenwriter originally intend for Arnold and his wife to have this like super horny relationship where they're constantly like trying to fuck in various places or is that Arnold? Is that Arnold?

I mean like, I don't know another way to relate to a woman. Well, I mean, the language that tips it for me is when they basically have the dialogue that says, cigars make you horny. Yes, that is it. And he's such a cigar guy that I'm like, this is Arnold 100%. Like, you have to understand,

like, this cigar is like a natural aphrodisiac, you know? You know, it's like trying to get his weird stuff in there. When he puts that cigar in her mouth and she takes a puff of that cigar, and that's what you wanna kiss? You wanna kiss that mouth full of masticated tobacco? Like that, whatever that is, that's not gonna, I don't wanna get into that making out right after that.

Ooh yeah, kiss me with your big old mouth of cigar smoke. Oh yeah, that's what gets me. It really is this this kind of like, he really just is a totem of masculinity, of perceived masculinity. And like the cigar chomping, helicopter pilot kind of, and it's not enough. There has to be like two of them, you know?

And that's what I actually found interesting though, Jason, because I agree with you that, but at the same time, like for a long time, he hates his clone self and he's like disgusted by his clone self, which was interesting to me, like that these, that he was a self hating clone and that seeing himself like with his wife and you know and Being in the world brought up

So much anger for him, but he didn't know he was a clone Jim Yeah, all that time. He thought he was looking at a clone who he was treating as the other man kind of thing He thought he was the original whose life had been... where fall... wait a minute. Wow, hold on now. Okay, I agree with you but even so, whoever's consciousness was in there, whether he came later or earlier... Wait, hold on. Why are you saying it like it's up for debate? This is factual. Whoever's consciousness is in there, it's Arnold's. To me it was very hard. It was sort of like when you're in New York City or someone's on the street doing that like three card Monty

where you have to follow the card. For me it was very hard to figure out at certain times who was real Arnold and who was clone Arnold. Ooh, now this is interesting. So I got a little lost. Wait, wait, hold on. Okay, so June. But even if he's, as you say,

he's the clone looking at his real self, like why is that clone's consciousness upset with himself? Like why is he automatically so disgusted by himself? Because he's like, he's on the outside of his life and is perceiving who he thinks is the clone as having replaced him in his family. I understand that you guys, I understand that. But he also seemed to be irritated by who he was.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, like he doesn't like himself. He found himself distasteful. I see. I think he found the circumstance. I see what you're saying. I think he found the circumstance distasteful and upsetting. I don't think he was...

He was making fun of him all the time. Yes. Yes. They had this sort of like, they were ribbing each other like they were, he was sort of upset to see himself. Yeah, who's the better pilot or who's the better shot. Yes, yes. Oh yeah, like he does, that is an odd thing.

And this is why I don't understand the clone aspects of this movie, because they are the same, but yet he's like, oh, I knew you wouldn't do it the right way or I knew I'm a better pilot than you. There shouldn't be any deviation. It's not like it's a clone. You should be exactly the same. I don't think there a clone. You should be exactly the same. I don't think there is. I think they are exactly the same.

I think they're just kind of playing into the emotionality of trying to get you to side with the Arnold that we are following for most of the movie, who we think is Arnold Prime. Okay, but then one scene... But then we reveal in the third act that he, the Arnold that we have been following, he is the clone.

The main character we've been following that we thought was the prime is actually the clone. And that's kind of the big spoiler of the movie. I mean, and you're, at that point, you're so invested in the clones and Adam's journey. Adam, of course, Adam and Eve is the first, well, he's not even the first man clone, So I guess the admin Eve doesn't even work. But in the deleted scenes, there is a scene where the where the clone Schwarzenegger and the regular Schwarzenegger do look at each other's dicks.

And then they go, no, mine's mine's bigger and mine bigger. And then they go on. It's a 10 minute long scene. I could see why it was cut out of the movie. But he was the audience don't know. I would not be surprised. I honestly would not be surprised. I honestly would not be surprised. I would not be surprised if there was a joke that they cut out of Schwarzenegger. You can't kiss as good as me. Kiss me.

I loved how obsessed he was with the minivan. I saw it. It's in the minivan. By the way. It's like minivan equals sex. And like both Arnold I know it by the way I've been preaching about the minivan for a long time And I'm happy that two movies in a row both involve clones and both involve

minivans this whole do you not understand that this is basically Suggesting a world in which you are going to try and clone June and your children in your mini Don't come upstairs stairs to the upstairs closet. If you hear anything. I said it's a hybrid, but it really is a tank where I'm producing bodies out of there. Oh my God. So what did he do? This is the other thing I had a question about too, because the movie does do some actually,

I think, very cool future things. Like, I like the way the helicopters look, and I like some of the technology. Like, I felt like they did a... They walked an interesting line of keeping it very current, but not like, like, that middle ground futuristic, I guess. Like, but what was his job? His job was taking these people... It looked like they were leaving from very far away to go very far into the mountains to go skiing.

He ran like an extreme sports. Yeah, he's got a helicopter company, which transports people, in the case of this movie, transports people, I think, from Los Angeles to the mountains to go heliskiing. They drop people off at a base camp, and they go snowboarding or skiing or whatever, and that's the service.

And in the shop, they also, it looked like, had like water gear or other extreme sports. I guess my thought was they're dropping them off at the very top of this mountain. Like, what's the return route? It seemed like these people were like leaving their stuff there. It's like when you rent skis for the day, you put your shoes in a cabin, you get the ski boots.

It seemed like they flew so far away that wouldn't you just go like, all right, now we're gonna go down to the bottom of the mountain and then wait for you? Or like, how long was this? That's a good question. Like, how long are those runs? And then how do the people get back?

Do the people at the bottom of the mountain just get on a bus and the bus brings them back? I mean, they're flying through canyons. Like, they're not, it wasn't like, oh, we just flew four, I mean, it seemed like that was quite a journey. No, no, those helicopters also transform into some sort of jet or something. So I think they're suggesting that they could fly

very quickly to like the Rockies or something like that. That's what I was saying. Like, they left them in a different state and those people. I think so. Yeah, and those people seem like, it wasn't like, okay, put your bags on here. You're gonna have a great trip. It was like, it was just, I also feel like

if you're gonna bring two helicopters there all the fuel that you're spending, like why not just meet them at the bottom? There's a lot of questions I had there. And you have a lot of questions about the business. I want to see where you're making money. I think too actually because, well, I did too. I'd love for Marcus Limonis to get involved

with this business. Well, because it feels like if you're a helicopter charter company, then you should just be, like you could be transporting anyone to anywhere, right? Like we might need a helicopter to go to Vegas, or I actually have no idea if they can fly that far, but you could take people everywhere.

But it seemed like his sort of, his like core competency was taking extreme sports people to far, which is just, it's such a narrow. It's a niche business. It's really a niche business. For a waterfront business, a waterfront business in the city, that's high real estate,

that you have to have this landing pad. Like it seemed like he owned all of that, and yet he lived a pretty simple life. That house was very, you know, very quaint. What I couldn't understand is like, why did he need the remote arm that was used to pilot the helicopter? Yeah, I mean, I didn't understand.

Like why was that necessary? Because it's dangerous terrain? I didn't understand that either. Like, I mean, obviously it's so that we can have it in the third act when we want there to be like a helicopter flying with nobody in it. But yes, what use would he in normal business have for a remotely flyable helicopter so

that what you can just, you know, autopilot some more snowboarders from your desk or something? I don't know. That's what I thought, but it seemed like they needed to be kind of in range like a like a like an electric car. There's a couple questions there. There's also like auto driving, full automatic driving, like Tesla style, like what we currently are on the verge of. Like when in the scene with his friend and business partner is Michael Rapoport.

And they are pilots together in this business. And he's, oh, sorry, he drives the autonomous truck. And so we see that. And I was like, in the year 2000, I was like, oh wow, this really looks like what driving is going to be very soon. Like this looks like how- Maybe not though, Jason, because you know the research they've done about that,

like people are very, most people are very hesitant to sit in self-operating cars, even though it would reduce the number of accidents. I heard a great, yes, incredibly, it would, the number of deaths per year in car accidents would plummet if autonomous driving was implemented. I heard a great podcast that compared

the same societal fears to elevators, that people when elevators were introduced were like, no way, there's no way I will get on an elevator. Absolutely not. And so it really was this impediment to building bigger buildings because people didn't trust the elevator. Part of the reason that there were elevator operators was that people, a lot of times, those elevator operators didn't even do anything, but do something that was for optics,

so that people would trust that there was a human in charge of the elevator. But that wasn't necessary. It was psychological for the people who were using the elevator. Especially with like distracted driving and people texting while driving, which I really, you know, is so upsetting to me.

Um, I hope we can get behind it sooner rather than later. All right, so I know we spent a lot of time here in the beginning of the movie, but I want to spend one more minute here to go, the man leaves his house and seemingly gets to work and gets a phone call from his wife saying, dog's dead. Okay. So I have a question about this.

Is the dead dog just a complete coincidence? The dog died of a very strange illness on the same day that Arnold is cloned? I mean, the dog died instantly. The dog, I mean, we saw the dog in the morning. It's poisoned. I mean, the dog died instantly. The dog, I mean, we saw the dog in the morning. You think it's poisoned? I'm genuinely curious. Like, why is this story element in the movie?

Because they need to explain cloning. I think it's to get us to repet. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I've never put down a dog, but my understanding is that sometimes something's going on with the dog and you take them to the vet and they're like,

we're gonna put down, you know, humanely the dog as soon as possible. Right. Sure. So I just figured like they got some bad news and yeah, he had to go. But the difference of that would have been like, it should have been, they wake up, it's his birthday, he feels really good, he's laughing,

he's scaring children, he looks intimidating to his wife and family. then they go, oh no what's wrong with Baxter? You know he looks sick. I'll take him to the vet. And then when he gets there, she's like I did take him to the vet, we got to put him down, but she seemingly is at work and she's like oh hey dog died. Like it wasn't like... And what was it? What do you mean? We saw him this morning. He was fine. Oh, and it was a mystery virus.

Oh, he was licking Clara's face. Oh, it's fine. They told me. I was like, this has gotta be a fake out of some sort. And I, it wasn't. She wasn't even delayed getting to work. It would, to be that callous, it'd be like, oh, fuck, the dog died.

Okay, well, I'll take care of it later. I'm gonna go to work. Honey, you go to school. We'll deal with it. And like, it was like, okay, well, I'll take care of it later. I'm gonna go to work, honey, you go to school, we'll deal with it. And like, it was like, there was no, and this is a family that doesn't reclone their pets. And we understand that this is the only thing that they let you do in this world

because they have these six day laws that they don't allow you to clone people. Let me say something right now. Paul, obviously I'm a new dog owner. This is the first dog I've ever had the privilege of taking care of. I would reclone him. Oh, I would reclone him too.

I didn't think that was a very bizarre thing. Like if you thought that's what Twerklinger's hesitation was so weird. I mean, people do that. That currently is done. What? Well, but no. Yes. No, Jason. Yes.

Vanderpump did it, didn't she? What? Recloned? Yes. I'm almost positive that is like a... No, it's definitely done. I think it's... I don't think it's common. Oh, Barbra Streisand. Not Vanderpump. Barbra Streisand did it. Okay, I think that's right. Yes, that sounds right.

I think it's... I don't think it's like easy to do or anything like that. For $50,000, she did it. Yeah, I think it is doable. Wow, I didn't even know that. That being said, if I could bring Turkey the dog back to life via a clone, I don't think I would. I think I'd just go and get another dog. There's another dog out there that needs me.

You know what? That's a good point. I don't need to create some sort of clone of Turkey that will eventually turn evil and try and kill me. That's just got to happen, right? You know what, Jason? You're right. There are so many dogs that are currently

living that need homes. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, here's the thing that is odd about the cloning of the dog. Like, you were freaking out the dog. It was all to make like dogs' disposables. Like, hey, they're gonna know where their bones are buried. They're going to get the whole, like, it was sort of like this idea that the dog's memories were intact. I mean, that's the one thing that we, that you, that I don't think that cloning is actually done. Like, I think you can actually clone the DNA of, of an animal, but you couldn't just like have all their memories in there as well.

I think that's why animals are easier to clone. It's not like, yes, I think that's true. You're cloning the biological form. You're not cloning like the dog, I don't believe will have memories or any of that kind. Think about all the science that you would have to do to be like mapping a dog's brain to have that much. Like that seems really complex.

Here's the thing that the movie, because the movie is really going to great lengths to over and over again give you examples of Cloning examples of it working it not working. I'd like to take this moment now Okay, talk about the sim pal doll God yes This because so they do, there's another step to help explain this, which is like a kind of animatronic, my buddy style, life-size doll.

You had one or you wanted one, Paul, I can't remember. By the way, I mean, I told you one of the saddest things, well, I would you wanted one, Paul? I can't remember. By the way, I mean, I told you one of the saddest things. Well, I would have wanted one. At one point I had to write an essay for school and the essay was like, you know, what's one thing that you would want? Like a Christmas list kind of a thing. And I said I wanted a robot so I could hang out with

and I could talk to and have like a like a basically a friend like a robotic friend and then when I saw Cindy I was like oh I lived in an area there were no kids around they couldn't leave my like I left my house there was no kids for miles oh Paul I Paul you have so many good sad stories I'm now going that one makes me think of one from my childhood, which I have only access, I can only access because it has been told to me because I have no memories. That we lived, before we lived in the town that I eventually grew up in,

I lived in a different town. And when we moved into our house, I went outside in the front yard for a while and my mom watched me and I was wearing like a cowboy hat and like a holster with cap guns and like a little cowboy outfit. And I was like hanging out and I came in after a while and my mom said, how did it go? And I said, well, there's nobody around.

I even shot my gun and nobody heard it and came. You know, nobody heard my shots and came to see what was going on. Oh, there's a some time, there are moments where you are- Lonely childhoods. Lonely childhoods create podcasts. I will say that I had a lovely childhood filled with friends and neighbors on the block and my two sisters.

And- So you don't get Cindy. I didn't get Cindy. I always had kids to play with She now she looked like I was confused about her because she looks like a Burn victim. Yes, I wrote that down Yeah, and to your point Paul about like the skin and cloning, I guess, is a form of like exfoliation and like another step in your skin care routine. Yeah, sure. But what was her story? Because I didn't know why she had to look like she had skin.

Why? And also, why do we need a like, why do we need this, like, why do we need this thing to help us understand that we are able to do this, we can't clone actual people, spoiler alert, we can, but we can do this thing, we have this available, and we can clone your pets. So it seems redundant. Like it doesn't seem like a necessary tool in the movie

to have the doll. The sim pal plays no part in this movie whatsoever, because the sim pal just seemed like a robotic, futuristic toy. Like, it didn't seem like... Oh, and also, Michael Rapoport's, like, AI or VR girlfriend. There's a couple of different versions.

Was she AI or was she VR because she unzips his pants just like the ghost in Ghostbusters. I think the chair does that. Oh. Interesting. I think the chair does that. She is a computer-like hologram something. She likes to watch sports.

She doesn't have physicality. I think the chair, I think he has to be sitting in the chair for the physical stuff to work guys I just want to show you something really quickly here if you are interested and I've looked to the chair is not for sale Okay, if you are interested, I would love to just show you very quickly if you'd like to purchase Cindy you can purchase Cindy you can. Oh no! Oh no! Oh Paul no! What? That is $475. This is the hero. And here's another version. This is the actual one? These are the actual ones. Oh I don't want to see this at all. This is like this is like the Annabelle movie. Yeah this is. I think just having seen this is gonna curse us. For only $75 bucks you can get you can get your own city with small teeth and everything

Small teeth and everything. I mean that was in the write-up. Look at that. Look at that. Oh This is Been through it Haunting. Oh my god. This looks like a movie. This looks like a horror movie doll. I know. And even in, even when, oh, yeah, here's a scene from, here's a still from the movie that Paula's now showing us that is terrifying.

Well, here's, OK, can I, this is my pitch for the movie. It's about the future. Why not have a real girl on the counter and like make it like small wonder. Acting like a doll. Yes. Acting a little bit like a doll. This was like a very, this is like a very weird American girl doll.

Like there was nothing about you. What I think is, I think at the time, this seemed incredible. This seemed super high tech at the time. Okay. Like a moving, talking, like articulated doll? No, like 21 years ago? No? Maybe? I mean, she was so sort of... she just looked a mess.

I mean, by the way, if you're trying to say we're in a world of cloning and all that stuff, but our doll technology has failed. Like, that's what I was getting from it. Our doll technology has not exceeded our human experimentation. And I feel like, uh, I don't know. I mean, this is so upsetting. I want to play a clip of Cindy. We're falling. I will say the United States is falling so far behind in Dal technology. We are, we are in danger of losing the Dal race.

The polls and vote. We need to get in people who are going to push forward great Dal legislation. Here's clip of Cindy and her unnervingness. If you get this message, head home. Let's be friends. What's your name? Just, can you see that I'm talking quiet? Head home to my house with a bunch of flowers and a good excuse, otherwise Natalie's going

to kill you. I can sing songs. Would you like to sing with me? Excuse me, do you know how to turn this thing off? My niece has one. Say, go to sleep Cindy. I can sing songs. Would you like to sing with me? Go to sleep.

Alright, so Cindy is weird and I have a question as I just watched that with the cab driver, because Arnold and Nat is in a retro cab, which I guess people do. But does that mean the first cab driver was complicit in the cloning? Does that mean the first cab driver was complicit in the cloning? Does that mean because the first Because he was no, I don't think so I think they just brought him threw him in the cab and said take him to the woodland mall Okay, so I mean can somebody also while we're here just explain Exactly what happened because all right, so basically Michael Rappoport who we haven't even checked in with truly besides his VR. Also Robert Duvall is in this movie we haven't even spoken to that yet.

I thought he was great. He's terrific. He really did a great job. I mean literally like to Goldwyn Duvall like everybody's like doing great. Doing it up for sure. The woman who's the woman who played Duvall's wife Catherine she was fantastic. That was a very heartbreaking. That scene in the hospital was terrific. I know. And that's the weirdest thing about this movie is that that's why I kind of enjoyed it, because you get these performances.

That scene broke my heart. It was great. Who's that actress? It was great. I've seen her in other things, and she's great. Oh, yeah. I just couldn't wait. But I thought that I especially.

So there are scenes like that where it really helps ground the movie's truly kind of preposterous other stuff. Arnold, Arnold's, how unnatural Arnold is in the world, all this stuff. I was gonna say that actress is, her name is Wanda Canyon. And she was most, most noted for a performance in the 1993 film, For the Moment.

And she also was on My Secret Identity. So, yeah, there you go. Um, like, that scene, her, the dynamic between her and Duval are, is terrific, you know? And this idea that she has been cloned and is aware of it, and she wants to die because she says, these memories, they're not mine. They're hers. Like, they're not mine, they're hers.

Like that was a haunting, there was a haunting scene to have her speak to the fact that she felt like a disconnect between her memories and her body, you know, like your mind and your body, the mind-body connection, like really interesting. I mean, there was stuff in there that I was like, this is an interesting, these are interesting ideas. I would have loved a side plot of that movie.

I mean, that's a fact. I mean, it's very much like Tarkovsky's Solaris, which we talked about on Unspooled during our space mini series. Oh boy. All right, well we're talking about clones here on this podcast. I just was going on a deep dive

into Tarkovsky's Solaris. No big deal. So irritated. I'm so irritated. I mean, there are, again, back at this podcast, there are interesting ideas that come up. It's all just so, it's just all so messy and ultimately doesn't amount to much. Like I couldn't, I never really got at why they were embedding the DNA with these diseases

so that their shelf lives. For control, right? Yeah, I can explain that. Please. It's ultimately not as interesting as it maybe could have been. So Tony Goldwyn is essentially putting flaws into the clones so that he can have control over them.

So if Johnny Phoenix has got, I can't remember, liver cancer or something. And so the shelf life is like one to five years for these clones so that he can basically say, I can just shut you down and create a new clone. I don't need you. So Johnny, football player guy, I can't remember his name. Phoenix.

If Johnny Phoenix wants to renegotiate his contract, I don't have to do that with him. I can just kill him, clone him again. Like he's gonna die. But why do you need to put the disease there? Just kill him. Yeah, he could just kill him. No, I think he's doing it because it's a threat to them.

You know, like he's got like some leverage over them. Like it's saying, like, if you don't play ball, you're going to die in five years. And if you do play ball, you're going to die in five years. And if you really don't play ball, I'm going to kill you. Oh, no, but you're going to die in five years, but I'm going to bring you back.

If you don't play ball, I'm not. You're going to die in five years, and I'm not going to bring you back. I mean, he does reveal. You either are immortal or you are, I control whether you come back or not. You're gonna die regardless. Got it, all right.

He does kind of explain his big plan at the end. In two years, three tops, I will control enough votes to get the laws changed. And then we won't have to lose our best people. We won't have to lose our Mozarts. We won't have to lose our Martin Luther Kings. We won't have to lose our Martin Luther Kings. We will finally be able to conquer death. And who gets to decide who lives and who dies?

You? You have a better idea? Yeah. What about God? You're one of those. I suppose you think science is inherently evil. No, I don't think science is inherently evil, but I think you are. If you believe that God created man in his own image, then you also believe that God gave man the power to understand evolution, to exploit science,

to manipulate the genetic code, to do exactly what I'm doing. I'm just taking over where God left off. If you really believe that, then you should clone yourself while he's still alive. And why's that? So I can understand your unique perspective? No. So you can go fuck yourself. There it is. I mean, that's the plan is that he controls the cool people who come back. I mean, like he's the arbiter of what people deserve to live and die. Like, I mean, he is God. I think he's yeah, I think.

Yeah. It's a total God complex. I think he's, he's basically at a certain point offers Arnold immortality. You know, he's saying you can live forever. Um, and that's what you don't piss me off. Yeah, as long as you don't piss me off. Otherwise, I can just keep rebooting you and erase the bad stuff and give you the life you want. I can give it to you forever. You can live forever.

And that's... Would you take it? Would all of you take that? No. No, I think the concept of death is what makes life worth living. Wow. June? No. No, I think the concept of death is what makes life worth living. Wow, June? Um, pass. I'm sorry, not the concept of death,

the guarantee of death. Whoa, really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I agree with that, but I'm also, yeah, I'm also like, I'd like to know a little bit more. I'd like to read the fine print. You want to get the brochure from Tony Colbert? Yeah, I'd like like I'd like to know a little bit more. I'd like to read the fine print You want to get the brochure from Tony?

I wouldn't mind more years. I wouldn't mind more years, but I'm not sure about immortality I don't know. I don't know there's more years. I like I'll take some more years Um, I thought there was a straight-up Monty Python as long as they're wonder years I'll take more years. I thought there was a straight up Monty Python scene. As long as they're wonder years. They have to be. And then like, who's narrating? Is it Daniel Stern narrating you or are you narrating you? I mean that.

Oh man, that's such a, yeah. It's Daniel Stern, but he's playing his, he's playing one of the wet bandits. Oh, now. He's playing his character from Home Alone. So now Harry, doing that. Actually, it's Joe Pesci. I want Joe Pesci narrating my wonder wonder years by the way there actually is fucking guy

Oh shit, remember you can't no you remember he can't curse his home alone. He's clean. Yeah The there's a scene in this movie that made me laugh so hard that was such a Monty Python scene where they blow off so hard that was such a Monty Python scene where they blow off, uh, the bat, one of the bad guys legs and he's just hopping around on one leg, trying to fire a gun. Like they do a lot of Michael Rooker, Michael Rooker. And he goes, I just bought, those are new boots. He blew his entire leg off and her fingers. And then Arnold takes the fingers to fingerprint activate the car. I mean, it was comical.

Yes. There is like 20 minutes of the movie where Arnold is walking around with one of Sarah Winter's thumbs and just keeps using it to get into buildings, get into elevators, get into the car. It's, you know, it's thumbs up. It's really funny. I mean, here's the thing that I was curious about. He even says, I'm all thumbs today.

Sorry, go ahead. No, I was curious about like the, I don't know, mall or space where all the cloning things seem to happen. Like, because correct me if I'm wrong, when he gets Cindy, when Arnold gets Cindy, it's because he went there to get his dog repetted, right? That's the Woodland Hills Mall. So he goes to the mall to go to repet, but across from the repet in the mall is a place, a kiosk selling the dolls, and he buys the doll instead

of the dog, right? Right, yeah. But the other Arnold has arrived earlier and did get the dog at repet Today you also find it just Disturbing that the woman who was selling the doll was also in pigtails like the ground I really didn't like that here for that not one bit. I didn't like the illustration that accompanied the the doll that accompanied the doll. Like, I didn't like the drawing of the Sim Pal.

No. It's either. It all was unsettling. I mean, listen, I never like adult women in fairytales. Yes! I didn't like that. I mean, the best friend money can buy, and it was, I also didn't like that there was no variation on these dolls. Like, you had to get the one.

I mean, this Sim Pal thing really upsets me. It's really upsetting. But it does look like that was just stay on our first second, Paul. Like that was this girl was a person. I mean, they based this off of someone real. Well, you know what? Averill actually showed us an idea that she thinks it was based off of, like a Cindy Brady.

Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah. I can see that. They are dressed almost identical in the picture that she pulled, like old school Cindy Brady. So that's the in. I was wondering if they were trying to make it look like the young actor who plays the daughter. If there was some connection they were trying to make it look like the young actor who plays the daughter. If there was some connection they were trying to draw to that. But I don't know if that's the case.

It was weird. It's like, it's bizarre. The fact that there is, the fact that there are so many iterations of alternative characters in this, from cloned dog to kind of cyborg doll, to virtual sex hologram, to full-blown clones. That's like four different types of like, altered reality characters in a movie that is really at its core, what if there were two Arnolds? That's it, that's it, baby. The whole core. What if there were two Arnold's? That's it

The whole movie is what if there were two Arnold's but they're making them they're adding so much other Stuff they're chumming the water with so much other weird stuff that I'm just like Can we get rid of this doll the doll doesn't matter get rid of the clone dog that barely matters like none of this is integral to Hel helping us enjoy what if there were two Arnolds, you know? Yeah. Agree. And a minivan.

And also, the doll never comes back. Like, I was waiting for that doll to either be activated at some point or to call on, like, an army of dolls. I love it. You know? But she never returns. No. They love it. You know, but she never returns. No, they just, they, but everybody seems to think

the doll is important. He's got the doll for a while, and there's a car chase, and he's got the doll, then the bad guys have the doll, and then they are like, the doll is talking to them. Like they seem to think the doll has value as well. But by the way, they also, Shortsinger says to the cab driver in that scene,

he's like, how do I shut her off? And the cab driver's like, oh, actually, this is how you shut her off. Like, they know. Go to sleep, Cindy, go to sleep. Like, in the movie, what the movie should have been is like when he steals the disk containing Tony Goldwyn's consciousness,

he should slip it into the doll's dry, right? Like, so that it's hidden inside the doll so that the doll is now, has the consciousness of Tony Goldwyn, and so that you've got this kind of hybrid thing where Tony Goldwyn wakes up inside the body of a doll instead of inside the bad clone, right? Then you're like, that's why this doll has been here. That's why they even started introducing this doll.

Or you find out in that final scene, he goes, how are you financing all of this? And he says, oh, what we are financing is we are taking, we are killing children, taking their memories and putting them into sim dolls. And because they cost like 200 bucks a head we're able to keep like it's like they basically created like a cabbage patch doll to fund a larger cloning operations.

Like the sim dolls are the front for the larger operation they're doing behind the scenes. Now that is really long. Yeah, it's a long way to get there. But they got there. What's so funny about, I love that idea. And what's so funny about Tony Goldman, when he wakes up as his sort of half-baked self, is that he doesn't realize, like, I found it so fascinating.

He doesn't realize that he's, you know, kind of not all done. A goo man, he's a melted candle of a man. Yes, with like skin falling off of him. He doesn't know that until he looks in the mirror. And he's young. Which makes me wonder, but that made me wonder like,

what is the experience of being a clone? Like, do you, does he not see his own body? Oh, well now we're getting into what is consciousness? What is consciousness? And does it exist in your mind or in your body? Like, and does your consciousness extend to your body? Like, mustn't he know this body doesn't feel right? This is what we were talking about in Replicas.

Yeah, you know? Well, all he has to do is look down and see like he's naked. Well, that's the thing, he gets dressed. He has layers of skin falling off of him. He gets, he's naked, he gets dressed. He puts on the clothes from the healthy Tony Goldman. Doesn't he notice

that his body is like, just like sickly white and dripping like skin, it's not silky smooth. Okay, to go back to the point I was making before about how this movie is unmasking like this, the amount of self-hatred we all have and exists within us, he's also cloned, cloned Tony Goldwyn is also upset with real Tony Goldwyn. They also have a healthy amount of disdain for each other.

Yes. Yeah. I wonder if that's something that you mentally, we've never been in this situation, but you mentally must have to do that so you don't fall in love with yourself. Right? You must have to come into this you don't fall in love with yourself. Right? You must have to come into this world and be like,

I must kill me so I am the only me. But Schwarzenegger Adam is the person who's able to say, you know what, I see you for you. I'm gonna send you up to... Maybe you're right, Paul. Maybe it's not that we hate ourselves, it's actually that we love ourselves too much. So seeing a version of ourselves, yeah. Well, at the end, Schwarzenegger and his clone seem to be, like, behaving as if they're twin brothers.

Yeah. Although what I did expect, which I was bummed didn't happen, was I thought the real clone was going to sacrifice himself. Yes. I thought so, too. It makes the most sense, but instead, he just sets him up with a competing business a competing business in like a...

Oh no, not a competing, like a franchise in Argentina. He sends him in a helicopter to Argentina, the clone and one helicopter go to Argentina. By the way, on a boat, he's on a fucking boat. It's a jet. That thing can fly so fast. Why are you putting it on a boat? I don't think it can get to Argentina. I thought for sure it was going to be like another three card Monte

surprise where, you know, like that old whatever parable from the Bible of the mother who, how they found out the real mother was the one who wouldn't kill her child. Like I thought for sure we're going to understand who the real Arnold is because he's going to sacrifice himself for the sake of his family. But no, no, they both get to exist. Both of them live.

By the way, I also... See, I was like, I was like, now why? Okay, so then to me, I'm like, okay. So the clone has all of the same life experience as Arnold Prime, right? Has all the same life experience as Arnold Prime, right? Has all the same life experience, believes himself to be that man. He is that man, in fact.

And he has to kind of go into the wilderness. In my mind, I was like, is this movie gonna end with Clara and the wife and two Arnolds? Like, is this gonna end with their family now includes two dads? I mean, this... I wanted that. I wanted that for everybody.

I wanted the happy... And if he's not gonna sac... Because I also thought he was gonna sacrifice himself. If that's not gonna happen, then why does he have to like... Why does he have to give up his family, give up his life, give up everything? Well, to me, this is reeks of what we talked about before.

Like, how much of this is Schwarzenegger? This movie gives you a chance to see something you've never seen in a movie before. Schwarzenegger getting killed. Like, right, like he doesn't, or I mean, you know, I'm sure now maybe, now he's maybe changed that. But back then, at this point, like you could have, you could kill the good guy,

but still have a good guy in the chamber. Yeah. But instead, like, the life good guy in the chamber. Yeah. But instead, like, the life of him in this town alone, does he speak the language? What is he doing? Like, he's going to run. And by the way, he's running this extreme sports thing

in Argentina. Does he even know that that's a place where he can fuel this? Like, is there enough interest in Argentina? What's the deal? Like, we have a lot of questions. Oh, man, that's the sequel. The sequel is, you really are obsessed with the small business element of this movie.

I watch a lot. Is it smart to start a franchise? Is his wife gonna start forensic accounting and be like, why do we have an outpost in Argentina? Does he get a cut? Yes, well, I would assume he would. I would assume he would, but. I would assume they're partners now.

I mean, now, if I'm somebody on the IRS, if I'm on the IRS, I'm gonna go and go, let me go visit that outpost in Argentina. My God, you look just like him. And then are we gonna say that we're twins or are we gonna say our name is the same? That's the thing, Schwarzenegger is again, the most conspicuous person in every situation he's in.

Like there is, he doesn't blend in. Yeah. He doesn't, he's not like, he is a hulking kind of figure. So he's noticeable no matter where he is. So I just can't imagine a world in which they blow, they successfully blow up that building and the war crimes that are going on inside of it.

They are, I'm sure are now landing themselves on like, it's interesting, like we never really see the government, the police sort of we see, but like we never see any law enforcement or any government agencies at all show interest in the chaos that is going on between the war of Tony Goldwyn and Duvall versus a helicopter pilot from Los Angeles that is literally blowing up

city blocks of real estate. Well, yes, it seems like Goldwyn's bought off politicians, the police that they have, that money has corrupted. Yes. Every branch, unfortunately. That's true. But also it's sort of true because Michael Rooker, when Michael Rooker shows up to the police station where Arnold, the clone Arnold is being held after his holographic virtual

psychiatrist tells him he seems like he doesn't want to talk about his parents. Like that was a bit of hilarious comedy. But Michael Rooker comes, it's not like he's like, we own you guys, give us the guy. Michael Rooker is pretending to be a doctor. Like they don't own the cops. It doesn't, the cops are just ineffectual, you know? Well, I mean, he's acting crazy.

Yeah, there's a lot of shootouts and nothing ever happens. I mean, they drove, they drive a car, a classic car through multiple houses. Yes, yes. And Arnold is just back at his house, just hanging out at home. Like, I'm like, this area would be, like, there would be so many police right now

because somebody, there was a car chasing a shootout here, like, hours ago. Yeah. It is a bizarre movie. It's really strange. Now, obviously though, we have opinions about this movie. There are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. The movie was a piece of shit, yet this person recommends it

Tell me what is the message, maybe that art is subjective I need a second opinion Alright, these are five star reviews that have been culled from the deepest wells of the internet Let's jump right in this one is from Bruce winning Bruce winning rights I like the action and I like the violence the shooting is futuristic and I like it the punching and kicking is just the same As it ever was and I like it five stars. That's that from Bruce winning And I mean it's not. The punching and the kicking, same as it always was. Also, Schwarzenegger does a big dive in this, too.

There's some good diving in this. Oh, you know what? That was one thing I want to talk about. The use of slow-mo. I've never seen slow-mo used in an action movie. It was so upsetting. It was like, how can you make this not interesting? Like, it was so weird. The use of slow-mo was weird, and the use of glitchy kind of editing, like chopped up glitchy

editing was also bizarre. I mean, it's so bizarre. Okay, the next review is from Uncle Salty. Uncle Salty writes this, Monsanto, their genetically engineered MMO corn and all MMO crops should be abolished. Proof that you can't put the genie back in the bottle once unleashed. Five stars, the title is, this is why genetic engineering and MMO crops should be illegal. Five stars though.

Well, I mean, he's showing this is a, this is a, this is an allegory. This is like a, this is a cautionary tale. Caleb Burner writes, really makes you think five stars. And he wrote that on Christmas day, December 25th, 2020. And, um, 2020, 2020 really making you think in 2020. Um, Gloria J. Pringle writes, uh, the title is Love Arnold, and the review is simply this,

watch this movie with my grandkids several times. Love Arnold. Oh, also Christmas Day. And then the final one. That's a tradition, is you have to watch the sixth day on Christmas Day. The final one is from MSL, and MSL writes, excellent movie, good plot slash story, probably coming to life in about 10 years.

Be ready. Oh my god. Whoa. Oh my god. Well, that's to me, like, I love there's so many holograms in this movie, like, when they're going, you know, into the main area where all of this genetic cloning is happening, but it's still sort of the public space,

like atrium outside, there's holograms of people. Like that to me for so long was just like peak future. That's all we could imagine were holograms. And I do feel like we now have the capacity to have it. Yeah, but it's not as interesting as we thought it would be. Isn't there like a pop star who is a hologram that is a massive success?

There is definitely a Twitch streamer who is a CGI character. Like fully animated. I think there is a Japanese pop star who is a hologram. Oh, you are right, yes. Yeah, she's not a hologram. Literally a hologram.

And like you buy concert tickets to go and see a hologram perform pop songs. I don't even hologram I think it's CGI. Oh is okay. Okay. Yeah, I think I'm not you know, I'm gonna look right now yeah, I think it's called a Miguela the CGI pop star and influencer and This is a little taste of what her music sounds like. There she is. What do you class is real? Is it something you can hold touch touch, smell and taste? Or is it something you can see with your own two eyes? If it's the first choice, about 99% of social influencers have just been removed from your life. You've not met them, you've

just seen them online. If it's the latter, then this next part isn't going to seem so strange. Oh wow. What's up? It's Mikayla here with YouTube Music at Coachella and I'm joined by J Wobbit. Thank you Mikayla. Nice to meet you. Finally. Artificial influences are growing followings of millions of teenagers and young adults. So that is intense. Wow. Yeah. I believe there is also, I think the hologram that I was talking about is Hatsune Miku a Japanese

hologram J-pop star So there's a lot I mean this this this this is a thing post is saying that there's one of there's one of many There's a lot. This is a new thing. I can't wait for our kids to be what you just showed me is very unsettling Yeah, you know I didn't care about I can't wait for our kids to be into AI kids. What you just showed me is very unsettling. Yeah, I didn't care for that. I didn't like that at all. Not one bit. I do want to say one thing about Tony Goldwyn in this movie. We are introduced to one of the most powerful men in the world saying this line,

Get the Speaker of the House on the phone. Get me the Speaker of the House. Why stop there? Just get me the President. Wouldn't get me the President be a little bit more effective than this? Like, like, like, like, he needs to talk to, you know, Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi. It's like, well, like, you know, like, what are we like, well, you know, he's trying to get legislation passed. And he also knows that the speaker's son has a brain tumor.

Okay, so I think I think that, I think he's trying to play out his, like, Machiavellian plan. Got it. OK. To get cloning legalized. Oh, my gosh. All right, so I guess it comes to that point in the show where I'll ask you, do you recommend this movie? I'll quickly go first and say, absolutely.

I had a fun time. It's a little bit long, but it's worth it. Jason, June, what do you guys think? Yeah, I agree. It's too long. It's too long. Yeah. I mean, there's certainly some fun time, it's a little bit long, but it's worth it. Jason, June, what do you guys think? Yeah, I agree. It's too long. It's too long, yeah. But I mean, there's certainly some fun stuff in it. And I do think Arnold, as kind of anachronistic as he always seems in movies, is always a delight to watch.

So there is stuff in here that's enjoyable, but it was a bit of a slog. Yeah, I don't know if I would describe him as a delight to watch. I didn't... I don't know that I didn't have that feeling. But there are some great performances in here, and, um, like, Tony Goldwyn is a delight to watch for me. Yes, Duval doing great.

Yeah, but, uh, this is a movie that I would recommend you take your edible with and just, like, you know, fast forward a little bit, but see what's in there because there's some crazy stuff in there. And listen, comparatively to some of the other movies we've watched, I didn't find this to be a painful viewing. No, I agree. I think more than anything, it was, because it was so long, it was a little boring. I think you can, I think, see, here's what you can do. You can fast forward through the Michael Rapoport Arnold helicopter race.

You can fast forward. Yes. Oh, God, yes. There's a bunch of stuff in Act One you can fast forward through. And then Acts Two and Three, if you're confused, it doesn't matter. The movie movies confused anyway Yeah, don't worry about it. We're still even confused about why there are two clones I mean it's explained, but it's a little bit it is like wait, but how did you not know I will say that I?

Mean there's some there's some stuff in this movie, and I guess this is where the movie got me And maybe I'm so dumb, but I'll put it out there and say, I was legit surprised when there was, like, when Schwarzenegger saw Schwarzenegger. I was like, I didn't know that that was gonna be what we were gonna see, like, a two-hander in it. I was so pleasantly surprised to see them both, like, in the same scene working together. Like, I don't know why that eluded me, of course.

Like building that bomb. Yeah, like, I was like, oh, that section was really, really great. Like, when Arnold is doing, oh, that section was really, really great. Like when Arnold is doing banter with Arnold, it's kind of incredible. Like if anything, I wish the movie had teamed them up earlier. Yes. Like I almost feel like the movie did a slight disservice to what its premise is because had it teamed up the Arnold's earlier earlier we would have had more fun with them

together. Yes. Versus we really only get like two little scenes of the two Arnolds versus if all of Act 3 or the end of Act 2 they'd gotten together it would have been really fun for it to be more of two Arnolds versus the world. Let's play a little clip of that. Forget about talking to the police. I tried that already.

Who the hell are you? Who the hell are you? I know this sounds insane. Let's play a little clip of that. Forget about talking to the police. I tried that already. Who the hell are you? Who the hell are you? I know this sounds insane, but I'm Adam Gibson. What? But we don't have enough time for you to be shocked right now because they got Natalie and Claire and I need your help to get my family back. They are my family.

This was sleeping with my wife. Yeah, I mean, that's what we're in for. And by the way, it's not hard to do. Yeah. I think what was bumping me a little bit was the total recall of it, which is like, who would, like, am I really this guy or am I really this other guy? And that's a little bit the same thing that's going on here. Am I the clone or am I the original?

Get yourself to repet. Yeah, exactly. Get yourself to, exactly. Repet is recall, you know? Oh. Yeah, anyway, I enjoyed it. But I would, I would fast forward. By the way, these movies are packaged as, like,

a lot of the deep, there are a lot of comments on Amazon where like, I don't know why you're packaging them together. They're two totally different movies. Total Recall. Wait, what's the other movie? Like a lot of the deep there are a lot of comments on Amazon. We're like, I don't know why you're packaging them together They're two totally different movies That's funny, but they are very similar this is I just watched Total Recall recently it's incredible. Oh, it's Paul Verhoeven. It's incredible guato Jason June anything that you have that you would like to talk about, share, let people know. I would say just check out The Deep Dive, which is another podcast that I'm hosting with

How Did This Get Made? special guest, Jessica St. Clair. So great, so delightful, and you have so many awesome, awesome people on the show. I love listening to it. Um, and I'll just throw out, you know, there are clones in Invincible, the Mahler twins, and they do, they also do a pretty impressive job of being able to clone people on a molecular level, including consciousness, so, and they're always fighting about which one is the real clone and which one, which one's the clone, which one's the original. I play Rex Blode. America the Motion Pictures on Netflix right now.

Really funny. Animated movie that I'm a voice in. I want to recommend Black Monday, which June is in as well, but also has a clone element to it, which is the Lehman Brothers. Kimmerino plays two characters in this. Oh, cool. So I have an ability to, I've worked with actors who, you know, can do that. And Ken, you know, has a stand-in that will do his other parts. And it's lovely to watch them work off each other.

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