How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: The Secret (w/ Topher Grace & Joel Kim Booster)

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

Topher Grace and Joel Kim Booster join Paul and Jason to discuss the 2007 French thriller The Secret starring David Duchovny & Olivia Thirlby. They do their best to unpack the insane premise of a mother’s spirit going into her daughter’s body. Plus, Jason & Paul explain the film's plot to June to hear her reaction. (Originally released 04/11/2019) For more Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: www.youtube.com/paulscheerGo to www.hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

All the fun of a body switching movie with all the grossness of incest we saw the secret see know what that means I'm gonna make some barrage. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question how did this get paid? Hello, people of Earth and welcome to a very special in studio episode of How Did This Get Made. Today we are talking about the secret, a film that made me feel icky all over, not since a door, have I not wanted to see

two people have sex so much. All right, so to give you a brief rundown of this movie, this is a movie where we'll get into it in the show, but just to give you an idea of our jumping off point, a mother and daughter switch bodies, but I guess the daughter's spirit dies, and the mother is actually in the daughter's body, and that causes some problems, because the mother has to mask Great as the daughter, but also wants to fuck the father yikes gross here. Take a listen to this clip calm down

What happened? My locker and his kids are so young, but they act like they're old and They're not and they're having sex what you're having sex Yes, I'm having sex with more than one person, I think. Jesus Christ. Just a little taste of what we're in store for today and there's no better person I can think of to dissect this film than the one, the only Jason Manson, because how is he?

Holy cow. This was a roller coaster. Indeed, I am so. The number of times that I wrote in my notes, are they gonna kiss? Are they gonna kiss now? My is a shot dropped constantly. In this movie so many times.

Can I ask you an honest question? Yes. Did David DeCovney write this movie? Ha ha ha! We will see. We'll answer that question more. Did David DeCovney write this movie? Because I believe, if not, it was at least born out of a dream here.

It's insane. I feel bad that June is not here. So what we actually did later in the episode, you can actually hear June's response to this film. And it is just as good as you think it might be. We'll play that a little bit later in the episode. But let me welcome our first guest, who has just had an amazing career of being in so many great things.

Most recently, he was in Black Clansman. He's also been in movies like Oceans 12, that 70s show, Spider-Man 3, a classic on this show. And he has a brand new podcast, which is amazingly fun. It's called Minor Adventures with Toe for Grace. Please welcome Toe for Grace. Hello, thank you.

Toe for you. I'd like to say the vibe I got Jason is that he may not have fucked them in the movie, but in real life, that's fine. A million fucked everyone on that set. He everybody. Decovney is doing some, there's a lot going on here sexuality is at an all-time high, but like hair Emotionality is an all-time love and like the roller coaster Okay, let's say I will get into it and our next guest you know him from the Hulu show

Shrill he also is in a brand new comedy central web series that I'm producing called Unsend, where he and Patty Harrison deconstruct all the terribleness of social media. The first three episodes are up right now, just type in Unsend to YouTube. Please welcome Joel Kim Booster. Joel, what did you think when you hit play on this film? It's been tough for me because ever since David DeCovny did what he did to

Taylor Eony. Um, I, it's been hard for me to watch him in films and movies and media of any sort. So and it was even harder because he did, he, you mean Madam Secretary? Yes, absolutely Madam Secretary. What he did to Madam Secretary. Um, I also wrote down him and I know this isn't right. I was like, he used to be married to Dharma from Dharma and Grace. Yes, right?

It was? But no, that's T.O. Tayloroni. Yeah, he used to be married to Tayloroni. Very confusing, instead of notes. Okay, got it. Well, no, Dharma from Dharma and Grace is Jenna Elfman. Jenna Elfman, and she's married to Bodhi Elfman.

Got it. Not David to come. He's not to come. You can all agree that he is not to be in trouble with that. I'm million percent, but they've all fucked David Ducov. Yes, every one of them. I don't know if I've ever told the story on a podcast. Is this about you fucking Ducov?

Yes, it was a long night. We were shooting late. It was, we were in my three-hour- California. California Caysian season seven. Well, here's my thing about Ducovny is, you know, it was publicly admitted that he had some sort of sex addiction.

But it seems like the majority of work he does centers on him wanting sex and boning. Like, I mean, he doesn't have to have to have the ex files, which I think, unless the ex files is really just about wanting it. He fucked those aliens. He fucked like aliens and supernatural beings.

I gotta say, as a horny kid, it was a revelation to hear that you could be addicted to sex. I was like, I didn't even know that was an option. And then when I found that out as a child, I was like, this is dope. Yeah, that's something to aspire to. Well, let's just kind of walk it back.

If you've not seen the movie The Secret, it is an hour and 30 minutes. I genuinely believed at the beginning that we were watching a movie based on the book this season. I started watching that documentary and was waiting for Decov need to show up because it's hard to find. Well, I'll say this, this movie came out in 2007 and I didn't know what to expect.

I didn't know Avril Hallyu pulls all of our movies for us. She's like, just enjoy it. I sat back in the first 10, 15 minutes, I'm like, well, what is this? Yeah, like what was watching? That was the big mistake. I've never, obviously, done this before with you guys, was I didn't read anything about what it was about.

Great. Which I guess, but man, those first 20 minutes are like, so I guess the guy is a thriving, I practice, and he's really like way into his wife's soul and you're flipping into. And their daughter is this kind of like, she just fucking hates them and life, I mean, it's just one note teenager.

Yeah, I was not rooting for her to be alive by the end of the movie. I just had the daughter. No, she didn't earn life. What a dick. She seemed so angry and the parents seem so cool Yeah, like when at a certain point when it's revealed later on that Lily Taylor is the mom in this movie But when it's revealed later on that the daughter wanted the mom to die

You're like really the mom was like let her go out with her friends, but she didn't ground classic teenage stuff I don't think it was you wanted your mom to die. I mean, like, she says in the journal later that she admits that she loves, she likes her mom. And in her locker, like, I will say that moment where there were a couple of moments that were genuinely affecting. I thought one of them being when she manages to open her daughter's locker for the first time

and sees the world, the landscape that is her daughter's life, which is pictures of her and all that kind of stuff. That I was like, oh, that's cool. There are two movies that would work within the context of this movie. This is not one of the working versions of this story. I mean, let me just, it's not supposed to be a body-swapping movie between mother and daughter,

it's not also supposed to be an erotic thriller. Let's get to like, let's just like lay out the premise in the table. This is a body-swapping movie where one of the people dies. Yes. And the other one is in the other's body. So the mother is in the daughter's body and occasionally in sleep or after doing some special K, the daughter will pop out every now and then. Yeah.

But it basically is the story of- So it's not a body swapping movie as much as it is. The mother has jumped into the mother's psyche or whatever's jumped into the daughter's body. Yes. So both are present in the one body, while Lily's Taylor's body is done so. It's very get out-ass.

In fact, I think Jordan Peele might have ripped. Wow. Shot fired. Well, that's just a secret of the secret. Putting his teeth. He stole the whole thing. He stole it out from the movie. This was one of those things where I was like,

oh, wait a minute. Like, when watching that first 20 minutes, I was like, oh, is this like a real movie that I just missed? Well, that's like it. It was awful. Before it hurtful. Before I even understood what it was, which is weird, by the way, how their,

how her body transferred. I guess she held her hand. It was screaming for him. I was screaming at the end. But that hospital is a terrible hospital. They let him watch his wife and daughter die while he's standing two feet from them. They let the mother hold the daughter's hand

while they're trying to resuscitate her. And she only noticed that she had a pulse because the daughter indicated that she was her hand. Yeah, move to fingers. Yeah, her fingers were like, and it's like, well, thank God. Isn't that nurse like who is? Like why everyone is still hooked up to machines? Everyone in this movie is so incredibly callous.

Yes. In front of everybody, I mean, whether it's a teenager going, oh, so like after finding out, like the teenager in his reality, his friend's mother dies. He's like, cool, you got your wish. Yeah, is it like weird man? And then I came true.

And then the doctor in the office, I call it, like he's a son of a- No, that was the best guy. The guy who goes up to her and goes up goes up to David Cummings, like, we've called it, she's dead. And then he goes, she's alive, and he goes, oh shit,

and he kind of runs back. And then it's literally cut to them, like coming home and she's like, I guess I'll do my homework. Like, so it would happen to, like, the movie is about, wait, so there is something interesting about this to me. I was like, oh, so the mother's persona is in the daughter's body. Now, the daughter is not present. Now, it's up to the, to Lily Taylor in the body of her daughter

to convince David DeCovny that it's up to the Lillie Taylor in the body of her daughter to convince David Decovney that it's her, right? Which is such a good setup for a movie to me. Like he's gonna be like, this is trauma, this is something blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And he essentially immediately is like, I believe you. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, he doesn't do that. He goes to the library, take some of this water.

That's right. Goth library. Talk to a Goth library. Thank God. He's like, oh, I'll ask her. She knows what's up. And then goes to a doctor. I don't know, but before that, the best part of a whole movie for me was that when they show this montage of him doing research, he types into Google.

Oh, yes. Scientific research. Yes. Yeah. That's what he's Googling. Yes. Scientific research. He's a's what he's googling. Scientific research. He's a doctor.

He's a doctor. He's a doctor. He goes to the businessman. Thank God that scientist was close by. Oh yeah. And the scientist tells him a story that really has nothing to do with what's going on. The scientist tells him this. In a small African village, a woman was at a coma after a serious illness and she miraculously revived.

When did this happen? About ten years ago. But when she woke up, she said she was someone else. The young girl who had died that same day in a village over a hundred miles away. The woman knew intimate details everything about the young girl's life. Were they from the same family? As far as I was able to determine, the two were complete strangers. I mean, no connection between them whatsoever.

So now related. Yeah. Covered from realness. But retained the girl's personal identity. So nothing, there's no similarities here. No, it's essentially, it's a similar thing but it's like it's that to me is like well all right well we're they know each other no it also doesn't help him not helps him not at all in search of a solution right which is what you're assuming he's there for well did you notice him back seat doctrine when she the

wife first comes to he's like sort of I think it was a decovny ad lib the doctors like I'm gonna need you to breathe out to get the tube out yes so breathe out like like literally like echoing what the doctors saying and no offense to any any eye doctor out there but I wouldn't want an eye doctor to be giving me like be backseat driving medical trauma against. No, against eye doctors. No, you're basically saying fuck you eye doctors. I believe that you are a doctor. I think what you do is sell it.

I just don't want you in the ER. I don't want you in the ER helping resuscitate me. I don't think that that's your wheel now. Shit, optometrist. How did this get me? How did this get me? Here's the thing I think jumping off of what Jason was saying about guys, I really think I think jumping off of what Jason was saying about guys. I really think I

Think this moves a close to a good movie. I really just I think I could have fixed it. I have some notes Yeah, I think give first Pass it this quick Nicholas cage instead of David's accompanying this movie gets Eventually I actually think Nick Cage would have been less intrinsically sex creepy than David Dickie brings that to every role. I will just say that the thing that I think is creepy about this movie and the base level is that it's his wife and his daughter's body and he's acting as if his wife is in the body of a 16 year old.

And he's not. Right, that's a thing. He's not his daughter. And that's I think the creepiest part of this. And the daughter never acknowledges. No, I think it's a wife. I think it's the reverse. I think that David DeCovny's character does,

like when she walks in on him, Winnie the Pooh-ing. Yeah, right. With just like no bottoms and a t-shirt. Like he's very like hiding his dick away. Oh yes. I get weird from him. She's the one who's a fucking psycho about it. She's worn.

Oh, but here's a good, to go, she literally approaches, puts in a sexy record on, in lingerie. And it's like, are you, are you gonna shoot the hat? She has a couple of drinks. Now look, from her perspective, she's in a new body. She's like, I've got

the body of a 16 year old. She's not looking like she's going to look from her perspective. She doesn't think of anything as her body right now. She's just looking out at him. Right. Right. She's looking at the same man that she always looked at. She's like, my daughter is dead, but let's bone. I mean, the grief in this movie is really off the scale. She's, she's, she's, she's the mother never grieves for the daughter at all. She just takes over her life. Yeah, and her daughter is, and he never grieves his daughter because her body is right there. It is, the emotional dynamics are so, like when he goes into the, just to jump back to

the hospital for one second, when he comes into the hospital and they are both also on side by side ICU beds see you, Benz. With no divider. No, like no divider. Well, because it's like two for one, when you get into a major accident, they'll bring you in if it can get a bus accident. He had a better cheaper cost, because he looks at them both

and then Benz over, like he's like, just ran like the field length during like an inter-mirro-soccer game. He's kind of like, ah, like it's almost like he's winded. Like that's his version of emotion. The funny thing is that they put him literally by a sign that says trauma. So like when he's reacting to his wife dying, like he is framed with a sign that says trauma is like,

ah, there is a moment that I want to talk about again, people being callous when he brings, when her, well, I guess, whenever he brings a daughter home and the daughter comes out, when the daughter first comes out for a second, the not the daughter spirit in the daughter body, he immediately, like, and your mother died, your mother died, just, you know, your mother died.

Wait, wait, dude, chill out, like this person just got out of a coma and you're like, and by the way, your mother died. Your mother died. Wait, wait, dude, chill out. Like this person just got out of a coma. And you're like, your mother's dead. Your mother's dead. You don't remember, like, and it was very judgmental. It was like, so crazy.

Wait, there is one moment of grief that I feel must have been an insert because someone watched the movie and was like, no one. No one's been in it. There's no one shows the motion. That hard cut to DeCuffney's cry face. Was it?

Oh yeah, was it? Well, but that was an, I was impressed with that because I was like, I wonder if he's like one of those actors, like just, I can get it. I can get it going because- Not just get it going, but like get it going like full snot coming out. Yeah, yeah, I was get it going.

Like you want me, like I'll fucking shit myself. Just a second. I'll cry so hard I shit. I don't care man. And by the way, I'm like- David, we don't need, I'll do it right now. I mean, he looked like his face was sunk in in like that was That was like I feel like he was like start rolling after minute five

Because I'm more I that's where you're gonna be I've got a process and in Joel put I need you to put American pie on the radio That song gets me. I just want to say to Joel's point about this is a close to good movie. It is based on another movie This is a remit. So that makes sense to me. I thought the solution to this whole movie was that you dub it over in a foreign language and Then do subtitles. Yeah, cuz it felt like if I was watching this as let's say it wasn't American if you're watching it as a European film you're kind of like okay, like I'm guessing I'm in control. Well knowing that it's French,

right, it answers, because only the French are brave enough to make a movie where the central question is, is it incest if your wife's brain is in your daughter's, that is funny. And that is true. What are you having sex with? Are you having sex with the mind or the body?

And if it sinks up perfectly, I mean, the fact that the mother, and this is like why I'm bummed that June is in here, because I would love to hear what June's take on. The fact that the mother is like, look at this body. It's dude, that's your daughter, you are in your daughter's body. That's so weird. This movie needed to lean either into full horror or full comedy because the moment when she's looking at her daughter's naked body is a comedic beat. Oh, Justin Tattoo reveal. That whole scene is a freaky Friday.

Like, that's all it is. This movie does have comedy beats. Like, her going to high school. Like, yeah, totally. Like, why not just play the comedy for Justin? Justin, like, a doctor into the stairwell. I was like, what the fuck is he? Why didn't you get with Justin?

That guy was hot. Yeah, I got to say, thought she was so not into him and her butt was not fucking out. So find us if she's been a fuck. She's been a fuck. So into role play. Oh yeah. Role play in the middle of a school day

and she goes, I'm married and immediately, he's the one of the best role play improviser of all time. Okay, great. And I'm gonna fuck you with high-five. Dick, like, wow. All right, and. He's like, I did level one at you.

I'm good. I can roll with this. I love that she screams I'm married and slaps him. Like she's acting, everybody is, everybody, here's the other thing, this movie, everybody is horny. Like she's so horny, Decovny is horny. The guy that's countered is of work is hard after the company. This dude's wife is still like the dorm in the garage.

Yeah, it's like how long are we saying she's been dead for because I felt this a couple months. I felt the movie takes place really, if you were to press me six weeks. No, there is a line of dialogue. Later in the movie where he says, where he's basically saying he's accusing Lily Tomlin, not Lily Tomlin.

That's amazing. Sorry. He's accusing Lily Taylor, the character in the Olivia Thilberg body, he's accusing her of not, because she's supposed to be looking for Sam. Yes. Right? And he's going, where is Sam? Are you even looking for her anymore?

I don't think you are. And he goes, it's been months and I was like it has Yeah, it shouldn't be she should not be able to succeed at taking over her daughter's life for months But she's going to college. She's like I think I want to apply to college I'm like what the fuck is happening? Also don't a setup that Lily Taylor was unhappy in her life like and she's like I have been I Sacrifice my career for your career. Like, they seem like they had a great life.

Yes, she was hanging out with her laughing friends. Oh my god, they were laughing so much. They were laughing, Bobo, Halle Berry, and I thought it was, at first, and I was like, wow, what an era for her. But this movie takes place, took place during my senior year of high school. And I kept having to look to you. I will never be able to tell. I'm 31 and you just turned 31. You are one year

younger than Olivia Throbey. Let's not go any further before I say that I did a play in New York with League of Thrones. Well, really? Yeah, for Paul White's who I did a movie with Rota Playa. You know she's sitting in an audition waiting room somewhere and Kristen Stewart walks in and she's like, fuck. Yeah. But by the way, I like Olivia Throbey and I think that she's very good at this.

She is, dude. The reason I bring it up is to say she was a great actor, so I'm going to put it all on the, I mean, really, we did, you know great actor, so I'm gonna put it all on the, I mean, really, we did hundreds of productions of this. I mean, yeah, showings. I don't think that anyone is doing a, especially her, because she carries the weight of the film on her shoulders and an impossible,

it's all tonal and writing, it's not good. And I thought she was, I thought she was great, especially at evoking a Lily Taylor vibe. Yes. And she was Lily Taylor, which is for me, Lily Taylor is like from my high school era, say anything and all those movies, I loved Lily Taylor.

And so like that, her voice and mannerisms, I feel like have been a part of my life forever. And I felt like there were times where Olivia Thoroughly really leaned into it and it was great. There were like three distinct performances, I think, because there was like initial, like, Lily, and then there's like her as a teen, and then like there's weird melding after she like finds her groove, like as a teenager again, is like a very different performance too. Oh, when she gets into your book and starts crushing on the yearbook.

And then a man booked. I don't know how, but he got a car and he was swimming in. different performance too. Oh, when she gets into your book and starts crushing on the yearbook. Oh my God. That's like, man, booked. I don't know how, but he got that part and he was swimming in it. Like, I was like, is this, is she gonna fuck this, is this gonna turn into a, uh, she fucks a teacher movie? Wait, no, was that a teacher or was that a student? I thought it was a teacher. I thought it was a teacher.

Oh, that was a teacher. Because the ages were so, like, the guy who plays Ethan is, like, I think I looked up his age he would have been 30 when he filmed this. So, it true, I couldn't tell, it was so disorienting to figure out like what the ages of any of these people would have done. It's weird, I think it walks us line of when you get into a movie where there are these incest overtones. You have to make sure that when people are doing

sexual things, it doesn't feel too young. Like it gets weird. Like how about that? Yes, sorry. Yeah, it just gets weird. It's like, if Olivia throw me look just a little bit younger, you'd be like, I can't take this on. Oh, you mean like when they're sleeping in bed together?

And then they wake up, she makes them breakfast and they go to the mother's funeral. I was all in one day. I was way more upset. I was way more upset seeing David do Coveney wrap his hands and her hand at the seafood restaurant. I was like, it was top. That was top.

That was, it was visceral. It was like, by the way, also testament to good performances, I guess, it was, I had a visceral reaction every time it got sexual, and it was straight discussed. It's like, if your daughter, in that point, your daughter, you think your daughter believes because of brain trauma that she is your wife.

I don't think directly next to you in your marital bed is the best place to put her on that person. No, no, no, no. Why the wait, why didn't anyone in the hospital go, is the best place to like put her on that person. No, no, no. Such a fucking decision. By the way, why didn't anyone in the hospital go, hey, we want to keep her from psychiatric evaluation. How about this, a smidge?

Nobody, she's not in therapy. She doesn't have one scene where she talks to a therapist. She literally is the, everybody just, the movie has to buy into that she's possessed by her mother's spirit, such that nobody believes like mental health issues are happening. Well, I also want to just call it one thing too, because I think Lily Taylor is a cool lady and she was a real square in this movie.

She's like drugs, drugs, drugs. Wait, all right, come on now, because Lily Taylor is playing this character that is so freaked out by pot, and it just looks like- But then does special case. Yeah. What does that serial know? And then I guess maybe my understanding of special case is different.

Does it come in like an apron bottle like that? Okay, this is interesting because my dealer just started putting it in little like doasters like that. And I thought it was new technology. And so when I saw it on this film from 2007, I said, wow, the technology has not evolved. Where is the innovation in K.A. Well, well, that's the thing.

Because ketamine just was FDA approved to treat depression. A lot of people, yeah. And the literal horse tranquilized. Yes, yes. It is revolution. It's being shown to literally their term, a race, hugely problematic depression, like really catastrophically depressed people. A ketamine is showing a huge impact in their lives, and it is nasal spray.

Yeah, that's the whole thing. Yeah, that's the one. And through something with that scene, I truly don't understand. Yeah. He goes to the house of, oh, first of all, he's, who owns that house? No, he's just wandering these girls. He's just wandering. He says he bumps into the mom's friends. Yes, who somehow know where they hang out Like a

Wouldn't even be like oh they hang out at mad house no no Oh, you know where they hang out and by the way their kids are there their kids are like six Like they don't have other, they don't have kids at the same time. They're just like, oh, they're probably where my daughter hangs out at that weird party house. No, they're like, I think she's with her friends probably. Well, you know they hang out at whatever it is.

53 booklies, it's like, well, how do you, I would never refer to it like that. Like you would never. No. Okay, so he knows where they are, pulls up a mansion. Yeah. Instead of it being like some rundown place, I guess some mansion. Right.

And then there's this whole thing where- Because it looks like they're in a crack then the first time we see right hanging out there. So you think it's gonna be, but it looks like maybe now it's just one of the parents. Yeah. Or I don't know, one of the parents, one of the adults in the town just lets kids hang out in one of the rooms. So like, we have this whole montage where he walks up to the room

and he's gonna open the door and you get the vibe he's there because she's being offered, I mean, she's never done pot. And now she's like, yeah, maybe I'll do special, okay? Yeah, special, okay. He walks up to the door, he's got his hand on the door knob. Yeah, then he's walking away. And then he walks away and she does the special, okay. I mean, like, what was that all

about? Well, is it like, I mean, this is where the movie is confusing. Like, does he want his wife to like, like, what do you, in my mind, is it sort of like, you know what, she's right. Yeah, I got to literally live this life. I got to let her go and like, and almost let his daughter grow up. That's, you know, it's his wife. That's basically the story they're saying.

They're basically like, oh, that's basically the story they're saying they're basically like oh That's what this is like her journey is just as applicable to her daughter's journey They both need to grow up they both need to experience Life and live it and all this kind of stuff and he I guess is like well, maybe I'm gonna let her have her experience Well, I have to start screaming there. This is this was actually one of the most affecting moments of the movie. And I was like, this is the kind of the movie that it should be. Is when the mother says in the body, Olivia's body, and she's like, you know what, fucking happens to me once I find Sam. And it's like, oh yeah, that's a stake that they had.

They did not really explore until that moment. And then they sort of let it go after that moment. And you think they would have had that conversation at their romantic dinner or no. Any point like they are not in any hurry to figure this out. No one is checking in emotionally. There's no origin. No, they're not talking, they're not having frank conversations.

She finds her daughter's diary at one point in the locker and it takes her weeks to read it. Oh, and then she's agreeing in the middle of a it takes her weeks to read it. Oh, and then she's reading it in the middle. I would read the whole thing immediately. Yeah, very easily. Just sort of like, oh, right. No, no, no, I want to save her. Oh, yeah. It's like someone reading you.

It's like every butter for traditionally. I just can't get the book. I don't want to binge-head. What's going to happen? Yeah, reminding. Oh, infinite chest. I got to get through it, but it's going to take me a year. The only thing they really seem to talk about is sex.

That's the only thing, and this is a little clip of. They're so horny. Of a big fight where they're talking about being sad, happy, and horny, here we go. I'm talking to you like a child because you're acting like one. I'm not a child. I'm looking for my child.

Do you realize that we had no idea who she was? Maybe that's why she's gone, Ben. Maybe she just wanted us to understand her and maybe this is what I have to do to get her back. You know what you trusted her more than you trust me. That is not true. Yes, it is. You never used to interrogate her when she came home in the middle of the night. That's because you always wanted to do that. Who do you see standing in front of you? Who? Tell me. Stop asking me that. I don't know. I don't know.

So you want me to live our daughter's life, but according to your rules, do you remember what it was like to feel happy and sad and horny all in the same second? Do you know what this is like for me to have all these hormones raging through my body all the time? I'm not just living Sam's life. I'm feeling it only. I can't fucking the time. I'm not just living Sam's life, I'm feeling it only,

I can't fucking get laid and I'm married. I know the fucking feeling. And no more party, you hear me? Oh my God, the party. No more party, no more party. By the way, I am starting, I just wanna say this right now so everyone knows, I am gonna be using it in my scene study classes, so.

Ah. I also love the imagery. The scene of the secret. Yeah. When she was like, I've got 16 year old boys rubbing up against me all day. And I just like, they're fucking feral cats. Yeah. But yeah, high school party scene.

I was like, again, I was like, oh, this could be such a cool thing if I was more dialed into that it's an adult woman who is falling down the ladder of drinking and partying and it really just felt like a high school party scene. Well, we talked about it like going leading into the comedy honestly, and that moment I was like, wait, is this movie now gonna turn into like a horror movie? Yeah, where the mom is like, no, I refuse. I'm still gonna, I'm gonna take this life

and I was like, that would be dope. Yeah, yeah, if she fights off her daughters attempts to return because she's like, I want to take this life and I was like, that would be dope. I would love to watch that. If she fights off her daughters and tempster in term because she's like, I want to live your life. I want to be on the day again. I'm addicted to this. That's a movie I would watch where she's like, fuck, no. I'm gonna live this life.

You know, and like runs away. I think the one thing that we're not talking about and it's a thing that disturbed me the most, why did her interest in photography wane when she was in the body of a 16-year-old? I really just wanted to see her pick up that camera. She did! You're under the ear book! You're right!

You're talking about it! I'm sorry, I may have missed that. All the candid shots! Oh, you're right, you're right. Terrible candid shot. Oh my gosh, I could have been through. Oh my gosh, the two clothes and confused. It was just like a football in there that was blurry.

He's like, she wanted a picture of everybody for the yearbook so that everybody is represented. Half the pictures are like the side of someone's head. They established that. They established that she was bad because right at one point Olivia Thrillby's like, and your picture is sock mom. Which was that.

Access the guidance counselors. Like the pictures in your lobby are so beautiful. It took them and he was my wife did. And then she's like, I'm indie, you're butt. I had an actor friend who, I hated this. She used to come into scenes and this is essentially, I think, I mean, I love Olivia Lovewear, there was probably the director's fault,

but what she was doing with that character was she made it so teenage. Like more teenage, because for 20 minutes, I was going, why is this daughter like, every stereo, you know, like the mom would be like, good morning, she's like, is it a good morning mom? Yeah. Does anybody want to be good?

Well, they don't say that dad. What is cool? This buddy of mine used to come into a scene whenever, you know, like the news is your dad's dad or something. So we'd come into the scene and say, hey, I have to talk to you. And you'd be like, what's up, man? What do we have to talk about? Like your dad said just so there'd be enough of a color chain.

It's not a place to go. Yeah, exactly. But I thought it was so loaded up. She's like, you're all piece of shit I fucking hate the world. And she's like, hey, I'm just, what the, I'm a 40 year old adult. To draw that line back to the friends and the teenagers, I think this is the director going,

you know what, let's embrace it. Like play these archetypes. We've got to play big, big, big. Well, I felt the same about when, when she leaves with her friends in DeCovny and Lilly Taylor at the beginning have their date night. Their date night consists of them telling each other

the story of their lives. And like, how often do you sit with the person that you've been with for 17 years and be like, and then this happened, and then this happened? Well, I also said this happened with a then this happened. And then this happened. With a menorah. Oh, yeah, that was crazy. That was fucking crazy.

It is like, we'll take the candle off, bro. But it's basically used to illustrate like, so that later Olivia Thuraby can be like, remember this and remember that, and he can be like, how would you know that? Did your mother tell you that? Right, but then she also goes, and every night you say your date doesn't begin

until you see my eyes. It's like, wait, so his date doesn't begin until the end of the day, because when he doesn't feel your look at your fucking life in the morning. Like, yeah. He's seeing 15 patients a day. I was trying to do the math on that.

Who else would love it if they showed them? I'm like, I'm showing them two people a half hour. Yeah. His practice is booming. He made tiny town. In that small town, he would see Max two people a in a tiny town in that small the town He would see max two people a day. Yeah, can you guys do the teenagers right now? Just for people who haven't seen this just I don't know how to just like how would you describe what those teenagers are saying?

They're going so off from the day open the day Laughing always Even though your mom is dead. They're like oh my god. I'm sorry I love you. It's like, it's all caps. She comes back to school, shell shock. And they are screaming in her face. Screaming in her face. That's what's in your head.

Everyone in this movie lacks common sense. Oh yeah. They are rattles. There's no empathy. No, it's not. That's so right. It really is. It's chaos. J No, it's so right it was so Jarring they're so out of eleven those teeth like that. They're always together And they're so bad like the teens when they pop up. I'm like what era are we in?

Cuz they seem like it's like valley kid This club like yeah, they see like my so, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no That group get they get a friend they're ripped together my Share one page story behavior is they she keeps saying that's so razor. It's like that screenwriters fetch We're like like let's get razor going let's do that. Yeah, that that that pot was pretty easy It's being a lily Taylor being like such a square at the beginning of the movie she knocks on her door and she's like You're supposed to be studying but the music's loud. And it's like, what? This doesn't have nothing to do with it. Well, she was like helping Olivia out

by playing the role that Olivia had to play. Yes. By the way, this always, but you mean like big, this bugs me a little bit, which is one of my favorite movies. But you're like, the guy is like, like he's 13, the kid. Yeah. Like he's not, like 13's like pretty mature. And then he goes, he's 13, the kid. He's like 13's pretty mature. And then he grows big and he's five years old.

Yeah, just in a four year old vibe. Yeah, and that's kind of what they, you know, it's like, you gotta draw 17 again. 17 again. 17 again. But that's a good one. Then she's like six. She's like, how does, you know, like a 17?

Yeah. And you don't know how sex happens. But I think it's like, I think it's kind of like, the actor wants to be like, I love being this naive. It's like, you can tell it's like, let me be an innocent. Yeah, let me, let me eat this up. Yeah, I love it.

How is this gonna be? How is this gonna be? There is a lot to get to, and I just want to kind of hammer in on one point, which is, Dukovny does not believe it. He thinks it is daughter, rightly so, is affected by, you know, some sort of psychosis.

There are so many things that are set up and never gone back to. Well, to me, I'm like, well, clearly this movie is made by a foreign financier because the opening shot of the movie is him just looking at someone's eyes. It doesn't play into anything. It's just sort of like, here's a non-essential part of this man

working at his job that plays into nothing at all. It would have been such a better entrance to this character. So you're saying this is an indictment of the French film maker? Don't you feel like Dragonham? But don't know. I mean, it's like a weird way to open the movie because the movie has nothing to do with it. Well, yeah, you would think that, yes, I agree,

because you would think that the eyes are the window to the soul. Yeah, I think that somehow that was gonna play in life's beneath sort of thing, or like the eyes change, depending on who's controlling the body. He coops her eyes out and replaces them with the eyes of Lily Taylor's corpse.

But yet, all you're seeing in that opening scene is just a normal eye exam that plays into nothing else. And he's not, you think he's gonna be like gross and like cheatery or something too? Like that's something that he's gonna have to have. Yeah, well, but it's also like really darkly lit. Like it's kind of like a sexy optatration of it. He is though, we should say, okay,

just for people who haven't seen it, the chronology is his wife goes into the body of his daughter. So either his wife or his daughter are dead, one of the two. And then about a week later, has a crazy dalliance with this, with her guidance counselor. Right, like literally, almost that quickly.

Because he's so horny, so pit-a-bile, I want to do as fuck as 16-year-old daughter, but he can't, it's been two weeks since he fucked the wife. Why doesn't he say to her, babe? Of course I want to have sex with you, of course. But when you go away and Sam comes back,

then I will have fucked her. And she won't remember. And guess what, I will. I will remember for like Sam's wife. It's just so crazy how like little she seems to think about like when she when he she again walks in on him wearing a t-shirt and no bottoms thing that we all do. Um, I never do that. No one does.

Why would anybody ever wear just a shirt? It is crazy. No bottom. Just like my undies got it my shirt though. I guess what I'm not doing putting my shirt on first. But for her to be like, it's just me. And it's like, yes, you've been in this situation for a minute. Think about where you are.

You are in your own body. There should be a scene. There should be a scene 10 minutes in where they're like, okay, here are the rules. No, fucking. Instead, you get this scene. I love my wife. And where is your wife? standing right in front of me But you can't have sex with her. No, I don't think I ever will again since her body

Again again these two people these two people have lost their daughter. Yes, these two people in this movie have lost their daughter never a moment to grief They never engage in any grief in any kind of they are the movie is about two people You couldn't say that the movies about two people who are in active denial that their daughter has died It's like these two people are so selfish. They're like this Rex our side. It's all about us our daughter dying is really like this Rex R.S. That's all about us. Our daughter dying is really crimping our fun time. I got it, yes. It's like I got to get fucking laid

and like this whole dead daughter situation is really like blowing it for me because my wife's psyche is in my hot daughter's bod. Also, if I was the guidance counselor and you went up to a student that is one that you clearly have an existing relationship with and the bitch is like Yeah, who are you? Yes, I'd go home. Yeah, I'm really not

Therapist, but instead of so saying go home. She goes I'm gonna go ahead on your hot And meanwhile but that but her friends who are like so into it like they had to be so high energy so much you go What's my locker combination? They're like, you don't remember? It's her dad's birthday. Oh my God. And then basically, you're like, what? Your dad's birthday.

And why would she tell people that? Yeah, my dad's birthday. I've never used my dad's birthday. Oh, hey, what's your locker combination? That's what I'm saying. They're all sitting at lunch being like, Hey, what's your locker combination? Mine's my dad's birthday.

What you choose? What? That's not I'm saying, like they're all sitting at lunch and be like, hey, what's your locker combination? Mine's my dad's birthday. What do you choose? What? That's not a conversation. All teenage girls try to figure out what their dad's birthday, oh yeah, my dad's birthday, five, nine, you know what? I'll do your dad's birthday and you do my dad's birthday. My dad, he's at the best birthday.

Do you think that Olivia Theroby did have something for her dad? No! Okay. No. Yeah. I do. Oh. Also, my favorite character is the teacher who's like,

bitch, I know you're your mom just died, but I'm not gonna coddle you like your other teacher. Yes, and it's like, it gives her a C. Yeah. And then comments on our handwriting. Yes, what the, oh yeah, that was interesting. See, that was, I was like, there were, I kept thinking the movie was gonna be a different movie

And so that's when I was like oh somebody's on to that yeah because the idea of it being a secret was so like It's called the secret. He says let's keep this a secret I was like oh people are gonna have to get on the train they get on their trail like when they were holding hands at the restaurant in Small-town, Massachusetts I was like of course somebody's gonna come and see they're gonna be like, Ben, Sam? What's going on? And why do you guys look like you're about to a French?

But no, nobody ever sees them. They only have their fights in public. They literally get into a moment there. Let's go supermarket shopping. Yeah, okay. They're arguing in a supermarket. No less than three scenes where they both get quiet and look at someone looking at them.

Who's overhearing them? Like, she's like, I'm having sex with multiple people. And like the girls in the bathroom are like, uh oh. And he's like, you're having sex. And his patient is like, uh oh. That sex scene thing, like, why did she think multiple, I guess because she's unclear about the role play at that point?

Well, no, she's clearly fucking Justin. Right. And Ethan. And Ethan. Oh, was she fucking Ethan? I think so. He says I wanted to be like, we were before, so we can be together.

Oh, I kind of got a vibe like he was that loser who loved her. She should have been with. Yeah, because he kisses her on the mouth. Yeah, he has. But that's a bold move to get a tattoo of the guy that you're casually dating in high school. Yeah. Is it a guy you're cheating? Is it real tattoo or it looked like sharp feet?

I don't know. The way I looked at it, it also looked like it was just in. Like, almost like a... Like this just in? Yeah. Yeah. Like almost like it's just in. What's that? What's that store in the mall?

It looks like a... It looks like a... I mean, journeys or... I was gonna say it looks like... Yes! Yes! Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, it has a a journey. I was gonna say it's like, yes, yes. That's so funny. Yeah, it has a real weird font to it.

It looks like it was a homemade. It definitely looks homemade. There are so many things that are not followed through on too. The idea that Ethan kisses her on the mouth when she comes back to school, right? And he's like, I missed you, I'm blah, blah. I feel like there should be a scene with her into a company where she's like, I cheated on you today.

I made out with an underage boy. Something's wrong. I'm out in these streets committing hate crimes. Like, I don't know what's up. Do you think in the French version, they did fuck? I hope so. I feel like a million percent. Because I do feel like that scene

where she's playing the record for him. Like, you were like, the guy just fade out. They fade out, and I feel like that. Because I do feel like that scene where she's playing the record for him. Like you were like, the kind of just fade out. They fade out and I'm like, did they fuck, they don't give you an end to it. Like they definitely didn't. Maybe they did some stuff.

There's a bunch of times where like they basically have been drinking, they go to bed together and it fades to black. And my assumption is they are fucking. Maybe they didn't fuck but they did some like over the clothes stuff and like some stuff. Fades to black. And my assumption is they are fucking. Maybe they didn't fuck with it, it's some like over the closed stuff and like some stuff.

It's almost unwatchable and like you can't even get connected into the love story of it because I think every time you do, you're like, it's like, it's like yes, it's underage. You got that. But at least- So it says, let's try to remove incest.

I understand what you're doing. You trying to make less of a problem with the incest and it is the Asian roots. Like a say it was, she goes into the body of an older cousin. That I think I would have been totally game for. Well, let's let me ask you this. What if the movie, what if in the movie, it's him and Lily Taylor, Lily Taylor gets bonked on the head and thinks she's 16 years old and like doesn't know him. Oh, that's overboard.

Another movie that is like dangerously inappropriate in terms of like the. Well, overboard one is like completely yeah wrong correct uh... overboard two may have corrected it a little i don't know i didn't see overboard two still overboard uh... but here's what can help a keep on going over what's that am i on board got to get

overboard see later solution but these but this is a comedic premise like in in a comedy, you would kind of laugh and be like, oh, that's funny. Yes. Weird thing, but when it's a drama, or, oh, fuck. No, this is a swive. Every time, and I wrote it every time in my notes, like when every time, like the movie cuts to,

the movie is basically a series of cuts to the next time they almost fuck. Every new scene is the next time they almost fuck. That scene is the next time they almost fuck it that's it that's all they're interested in telling about the movie it doesn't really get it doesn't really the tension doesn't change it is a series of lateral moves like across the right like it doesn't the tension nothing and the chemistry does not change yeah I'm seeing to see and it is just the same thing change like the once they settle into he's back at work looking at eyeballs, and she's in school.

I guess this is the movie now. Okay, until the end where it just fixes itself. But no, this movie, it's clear why it seemingly didn't come out in the theater. Or really? So you know what's crazy is I was working a family video at the time when this movie came out, and I remember this DVD cover. Because when I was looking for it today and I finally scrolled across it, it like brought back.

Because I only really were, I especially remember the ones where we'd only get like two copies of it and it would be on the new release wall and I'd be like, what the fuck is this? Wait, what did you think it was all these years? Just because I thought it was a horror movie because it was just like a horror movie. Yeah, on the front.

That's when I thought it, that's when I thought it was a movie. And it feels's just a horror movie here. I'm the front. That's when I thought it was a movie. And it feels like it's trying to be a sexual horror film. Yeah, yeah. Well, let me tell you that it shouldn't be. No, it should not be a horror film. Although David Duccaveny does look like he's wearing a mask of his own face. Especially in the crying scene.

Not a lot of people know this, he is. There are a couple of moments where David Duccaveny just, I guess, maybe got the set latent didn't go through hair. Yeah. Because there's like his hair sometimes very quaffed and other times just like, There are a couple of moments where David, the company just, I guess, maybe got the set latent didn't go through hair. Because there's like his hair sometimes very quaffed and other times just like, yeah, it just down. It looks like he's his own mad him to

sod statue dude, it just got roughed up, you know? Or brought to life. Well, all right, clearly we have an opinion. Just moving to the games of the lightning strike at mad him to sod. All right, so it's a mad just so dummy, but it's an underage dummy. Not kidding, man.

It can't be incest, he's a wax figure. By the way, we're talking about mannequin now. Oh yeah. Jesus Christ. What is wrong? How have all of these movies actually been made? Obviously we have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion

and it's now time for second opinion. All right, second opinions. These are five star reviews called from Amazon.com. There are 61 reviews for this film. 35% of these reviews are five stars, meaning it is the best version of this film. And there are so many of them. Really? Yeah, I mean, this one from Lisa and Prince

is just simply titled, I'm amazed that Olivia Throbbe didn't bag an Oscar for this. That's a five-star interview. I thought she was great. She was great, but I don't think she should have quote unquote, bag an Oscar. Like in the big hunt. Yeah, this is like she she's hemming way

out there trying to bag an elephant. This one is written by Blas D. Polgovar Dal in this written back in 2010, and he simply writes, it's a good movie, especially if you pay less than five bucks for it, five stars. So on a value level, it's a five star review. This one here from Florence and Herrera the title is weird and rights Very different kind of movie if you like weird movies about the dead coming back you like this one

five If you like weird movies about the dead coming back, come on. Okay, and J. Ortez writes, I'm rather surprised at the reviews. I thought the acting was completely solid. You knew when it was the mother and when it was the daughter and I must admit I was nervous about the couple consummating since it was known beforehand

that the girl would come back to and have with her body. But other than that, it was great. Although it is a little reminiscent of Freaky Friday, but smarter. I enjoyed the movie Five Stars. Good boy. You actually made a great point that I'm sitting with right now, which is any high concept movie if not done as a comedy is disturbing. Yes, right.

And that's what this is basically. Like, freaky Friday done the right way you go, this is, you know, terrible. Oh, no, but if you fucking the dad and, you know, whatever. Yeah, if you play it for laughs, you get so much more out of it, but if you play for sure, they're like,

If you miss it, and if this pitch wasn't, I hope it was sexy freaky Friday. Yeah, like, I mean, like, you're a monster. Okay. We'll be, does anyone want to, I not to put anybody on the spot, does anyone want to guess what the tagline for this movie is?

Oh God. All right, so it's, you know, it's an incest body switch move. I like Sexy Freaky Friday. I think that's pretty much on the nose. I mean, that is what it is. Don't tell your mother, I don't know. Ooh, that's, I like where you're going. It's a secret movie.

I, I, none of you will guess what it is, but it is sometimes a gift can be a curse. Ooh. What's the gift? Yeah, what a gift of life. That's not a gift. That's, that's, no. The answer's no to that.

I wish I had any numbers on this movie. I don't know what the budget is. I don't say did it stop us theatrical release. It did not. It came out in 2007, the top three films of 2007, Spider-Man 3, and Transformers. And Transformers.

So you know, this is a movie that is of our time. Joel, you were, I mean, you saw this movie come to the video store. I mean, that probably was the release of this film. So it was straight to video. That's what we think. Nick Kylie, who does all of our research and is ever great at getting little details, couldn't find anything about this movie. Which is, I actually was nervous, and I was like, I should maybe text everybody.

This movie is hard to find. Because it really is like, when you even type in the secret on Amazon, you have to scroll down. I almost actually almost emailed you because I woke up early to watch it this morning, furious. I was like, I was watching it, finishing it on the drive over here and I was like, if I get into a car accident because I'm watching this terrible movie

while I'm driving, then you switch personality. Oh, no! No, no, no! Now that's a movie, that how did this get made movie? I will say about this movie and you may all disagree. It moved quickly. Like when I would hit this way. I would just do this for like 18 hours long.

I know you're gonna do this first thing. That first thing, you're right. That first like 15 minutes was like a brutal crawl, but then I was like, oh fine. You know, first it's like Dragon Blade, which I was like, every time I paused, only six minutes to pass. Well, that's like, when I first hit the pause,

but in the first time, it was 20 minutes. Like that normally is an eternity for me, absolutely. No, no, no, wait. I have a question. So Jason, if you died in a car accident and switched bodies with Paul, would you fuck his kids? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, have any final thoughts about the film, any final thoughts. I think they should have just slipped it in with the X-Files episodes, because it kind of has a vibe.

Yeah. That would have been a great way to release it, and you know, you cut it down, you can an hour long. If Scully switched with like a young girl, it would have been a great episode. That would have been a way to keep Gillian Anderson on the show. You could add like, oh, like, yeah, Olivia Thorough will be plays her. Yeah, oh. The rest of the thing. Come into that.

All around the board, I want to say that I feel like when pitched to you as an actor, you know, this is cool, I like this concept. And then you feel that everyone's kind of wrestling with the weight of it once they're dealing with it on screen. I've, yeah, I felt like, I felt like, you know, the script maybe would have read away or whatever, but like at the point where they were shooting

some of these scenes, I think everybody must have been like, whoa, wait a minute, what, what, what are we doing exactly? I did love the scene where Olivia Thirilby puts in, or is watching the video tape of her talking to herself. Completely accepted with no setup. No setup, just fully accepts it in me. This daughter is traumatized. She wakes up and there's a tape to watch.

And the tape is herself saying, hi honey, it's me. This movie didn't understand transitions. They couldn't just be like, and here's a couple days later, I'm glad you're happy and back in your body now. I wanna show you something, it's gonna be upsetting. No, we gotta do it all in one take.

Every single one is like, you're back. Here's the tape. Your mom's dead. It's like my life, but different, go for it. Where did they go in that penultimate scene before she switches back with her permanently? They're like on a ledge. I thought they were gonna kill themselves.

Because you know what, I can't have this fight. And she's like sensually dancing on his back. Yeah, like it's such a Straight ask about what is the setting? Why did they go there for this? See why that it's weird lighthouse or whatever they are movie is so weird I kind of do I want to look at the runtime of the French movie because if it's not that long, I might. I feel like the French movie I bet would be longer and just would have more stuff in it. You know, like, I felt like just through sheer logic, the movie should have given us antagonists.

You know, like that's crazy when you brought that up, I realized I disagree with you. I don't think anyone on set had a question. I think this movie is just dripping with confidence. I think you're probably right. He says in like, what's going on when he, she's caressing him and you're in your diary?

I think they're going like, we're basically changing the game. Yeah, you're probably, you're probably, I feel like they were probably like, no, this is like an Adrian lot. I just wanna, I actually had that exact thought.

Yeah. Literally they kind of were trying to do that music and stuff. Yeah. I want to correct you all and tell you something I just found out. It's not a French film it's based on. It's a Japanese film. I'm 1999 Japanese fantasy horror romance film directed by Yojuro Takata and it's based on the novel Nako by Kigo.

I'm going to mispronounce these names. Anyway, honestly, but the Japanese famously are known as the French of the East. But it's a French film. Here's what I'm gonna say. So it's a French film. Oh. It seems like it's a Japanese film. Wait, it's a French film?

It was financed by the French story. A Japanese story. A remake of a Japanese movie by a Frenchman for like it's like. Do you see that look? Yeah, open a question. Yeah, so I think this is a French film. I see.

It is a French film. See, there's the poster for it. It's so it is a French, Japanese. Wait, this movie is a French movie. The secret? The secret is a French film. Okay, I see. I see.

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and it will work, it will be fine. Oh, that's so interesting. So it came out in France. All right, so there we go. There was a big movie there. I'm so confused. Well, they are, if they have a set of titles. How did they come out in well because they just released it here? I'm so confused because it's not a French movie. It is a French movie in French language. No, it's an English language French film. Okay. So, come back.

Is it French? Yeah, I was going to say it's a Canadian. I mean, but Himitsu is, it seems like a more of a bigger hit and that movie is two hours. The Japanese film is two hours. But it won best actress, best screenplay, and nominated for best film in the Stigs Film Festival. I tell you a crazy thing. I did this internet film by Drake Dreamis.

You see a great film after that. Then I guess the rights of that got bought in Korea and became one of the biggest films in Korea. Whoa, your film or a Korean remake? I have a remake film. Drake Dreamers' film. I have a partner, Mary Elizabeth Winsteads in it. It was a great thing.

It happened to live on the internet. They bought the rights of becoming this huge film in Korea. And then I was just at the Golden Globes this year. And some agents like, yeah, we have Amelia Clark and the remake of this Korean film. And I was like, I think I was like, I have a bad idea. But they're not doing the R version, they're adapting the version from Korea.

Oh, that's so interesting. And also, like I mirrored the one instead, was like, wait, what? You're doing it. I played that character. That's so weird. Yeah, but no one does the research. This is more research than anyone did. What you did on this project.

Yeah, there it is. Research than anyone did. And here's a clip from Himitsu. It's a great for us. Oh, my it is. There's anyone did and here's a clip from him it too That's it Oh, my god, it's all congratulations She's getting married in this got a bridal guy on oh my gosh. He's giving his daughter away That's spoiler alert His daughter who's his wife? Yeah, yes, and she's crying. It's a very emotional moment. What a great ending

That's a great wait a minute. Is it the ending? Yes She's really okay, so That's the hardest when you have to give your daughter away, but she's a wife. Yeah Means that's Think out this there is something wild about like having to say goodbye to your wife So then the daughter in this version is older than yeah This is just a Japanese remake of Father of the Bright. Or just a changeable.

Oh man, this is a roller coaster. This is really, wow. Okay, well, so at the beginning of the episode, I promised you that we would hear from June. We are now alone, Tofer and Joel are not here. Jason, June and I are here. June, I know you didn't watch this movie. I want to get your take on it.

Jason, we could probably walk her through it a little bit, right? Yeah, I mean, okay. And this is the way it hold on, hold on. This isn't a movie based on the book this time. Correct, no. Although that's what I thought too so much so, and we talked about it in the episode, we all had trouble actually finding this movie to watch because it's a not very

much available. And even if you Google the secret movie, only the movie based on the book, the secret shows up so much so that this almost was like, nobody could find it. So you couldn't like positively think it into existence. Correct. You couldn't secret it. Or you could not. You could not. Unsecret. I put it on a vision board. I put it on. I need a vision board to get to find. Correct. You couldn't secret it. Or you could not. You could secret.

Unsecret. I put it on a vision board. I need a vision board to get to find this movie, the secret story, David DeCovney. So here's the setup of the movie, June. David DeCovney is married to Lily Taylor. Love that. Okay. Interesting.

They've got a daughter. They are in love. He is an eye doctor. Yes. They are in love. They are in love. Okay is an eye doctor. Yes, they are in love. Okay, they have a daughter played by Olivia Thuroughby. How lovely. Mother and daughter, their relationship is a little fraught.

We don't know why. We don't know why. As a teenage mother daughter relationship often is, because Olivia Thuroughby is like in high school. Right, okay. They're its fraught, but in a normal suburban mother-daughter way. It seems to me that Olivia Thurby is a little bit harsher on the mon that she needs to be. Yes, but no-

That's most of us teenage girls, right? Exactly. No more so than what you would expect from teen drama and angst. Okay. Olivia Thurby and Lily Taylor go on a trip. They are in a car accident. Car accident. Car accident. They are put side by side in a hospital and are holding hands when Lily Taylor dies. Yes. When Olivia Thoroughby wakes up in the hospital

from a coma, Lily Taylor's persona is in her body and her daughter's body. And Lily, now in the daughter's body, wants to have sex with David DeCouple. Keeps wanting to fuck DeCouple. And keeps trying to get, she keeps getting, so the rest of the movie, June, is David DeCouple, with the actress playing his daughter

in an erotic thriller. And she's trying to seduce him. She keeps getting drunk and trying to have sex with him. And she's like, look at my body now. Look at my body. Look how beautiful I am. I am a 40-year-old woman in the age of 18. I'm 18-year-old body.

And it's his daughter. And she seems, she seems unwilling to understand why he's reluctant. But he's tempted. Okay. There's a reason why this movie has been banished. Yes. Banished from the lexicon.

It should not, it has been someone saw it and said, this has to go. It must be put to bed. It's a crazy concentrate. Here's the thing, here's my question. Does Lily Taylor, if she's still Lily Taylor as she was before she died, isn't she still a mother then?

Doesn't she know? Yeah, but the mother's kind of psyched to be like, I can finally do it all over again. I'm 18. Oh, I'm sorry. What about her daughter? That's what I don't understand. We forgot that she doesn't care.

I want you to watch this movie. I mean, this might be a reason to have a, I don't have to see this. Can I, you know what I'm looking for? This is a clip that, from the movie, I just want to play watch this movie. I mean this might be a reason to have a Can I put this clip this is a clip that from the movie I wanted to play for you just so you can hear it Oh, so good poem. Do you remember what it was like to feel happy and sad and horny all in the same Do you know what this is like for me to have all these hormones raging through my body all the time? I'm not just living Sam's life, I'm feeling it only. I can't fucking get laid and I'm married. I know the fucking feeling.

I just needed to let June now is in complete shock. June is melting down. I will post a picture for reaction to this scene. What? What? What? What? What? What? I will post a picture for reaction to this scene. What? What? We might have to do a second episode. What?

June, that is, yeah. Gratching the surface of this movie. Wait a second. So she sings, she is the storyteller as a 40s and the world one. But Olivia Thurlby is saying all these things. I understand that. Yes, of course. But she's saying that inside of her,

her persona is Lily Taylor, but infused with the hormones. Yeah, she's in it. She's 18 year olds body. She's still 18. She's experiencing the experiences of hormonal. This is where this falls apart though. If you're mentally like a body occupation movie,

then it doesn't matter what the body is doing. It's all about just like being the part. So this movie's positing a world in which actually, like you're not just the persona. You're also the body. Yeah, well, let me throw this to you. Could you understand David DeCovidate's position? Keep in mind it's David DeCovidate.

I am dead. I passed on. Interesting for him to do this role, knowing what we know about him. Yes. If I've died and passed on and I embodied our child. Paul, I don't even... I agree. Don't. I am gonna even. I really don't. This is.

I am gonna tell you. This is turning me on. I will not go down this one with you. I will not. Let's see. That's our idea. Let's see. We have a 40 year old and a two year old.

I will not be doing this next year. The crazy thing about DeCuffney is like we know as a society, as a culture, he has trouble saying no. And in the movie, that is palpable. But it's also like, she is going hard at him. She is coming in drunk in lingerie, is like trying to seduce him actively

throughout the movie and will not give it up that it's strange that she's doing that. This is the problem I have with it too, is as though she was in the hormonal body of a 16 year old boy, actually 16 year old girls are not like horny to fuck. They're just not, 16 year girls have hormones of course, but women sexual prime is not when they're 16. So it's also like what if she is being ruled by

the body of a hormonal 16 year old girl, it wouldn't be doing this. Well, but maybe she's not according to this. I think I think in her mind, she's got the mind of a 40 year old, but her body's also given her a lot of stuff too Because she like glitz at her ass a lot and she's like, oh my god this ass is so smooth Oh, she also has a whole tattoo on her ass of the name Justin Why? Has it beeper? No, it's guy

So June based on all that we've told you because we have to wrap this up. I think I'm gonna need to see this Oh, okay, boom. Second up. I'm gonna have to do a second. We need to talk to you about it. All right, so June, you've thrown down the gauntlet to yourself. All right, that was June. And now let's get back to our guest,

Tofer, you have a brand new podcast. That is on it. You were on it. You were one of our favorite episodes. You're unbelievably, seriously, we had to tell him what you did. Well, first of all, I think this podcast is really good. I feel like there's a lot of podcasts out there that feel like they're kind of in the same kind of categories.

And you're doing something different. It's called Minor Adventures with Tova Grace. And every episode, you're doing an adventure with your guest. Right, so it's like an in-studio, mini-adventure. The first one is Whitney Cummings and we hook up to a lie detector test. You came in, we did telemarketing. Yes, we learned from a telemarketer

how it would be effective telemarketers and then he gave us a bunch of leads and he set up his fancy computer and then tofer and I like competed in trying to sell this celebrity event, a bowling tournament. It was unbelievable. I mean, you were hilarious. You were great.

But also the thing is so hilarious, even if you don't have funny people doing it, just the people pick up the phone, they're kinda like, I want you to be taken off your list. They're all everyone's so mad and Paul's gonna throw up. For a lot of people, that's just a job. It's not. Yeah, what?

I was, fair enough. But we got to do a lot of crazy adventure where we work at Blockbuster or Barthon Noble and you're like, you have to scan things and you got to get money from people. But you did it. The one that I'm so curious to hear is you had a singer songwriter come on and you guys wrote a song. Yeah, we had like, one of the number one pop songwriters come on and we wrote this song. I'd Lewis Howes who has also a podcast on.

And what's great is that the guest, whoever it is, we've had great guests like you, Paul, it's coming, whoever it is, they don't know what they're gonna be doing. So it's so surprising. So like Lewis is very confident, you know, it comes from sports. And then when I said like, hey, we're gonna be,

you know, we have the biggest pop songwriter who's wrote in the song for Beyonce. We're coming in. You saw this whole new angle on whoever the guest is, and we've had, what else have we done? That's the, who else has been on the, who else have you got coming up on the show? We did Raky with Jillian Bell,

and we just did beatboxing with Chrissy Metz. It's like, this is kind of awesome. Oh, that's cool. So you can find it wherever podcasts are listened to, it's called Minor Adventures Adventures and it's out now and I believe that. This is gonna time out so your episode is this week. All right, so hopefully you go get it right now.

I am very excited to hear it all come together but it was really fun and incredibly stressful. Well the best was it was a competition. We said if you get their email, it's one point. If you get like this commitment of money, it's this one. They signed up for the event. And so it got like really competitive.

Trying to sell a bowling, a bowling, a charity bowling event where we had to kind of lie and say that celebrities were gonna be there. But then Paul, that's not how it went. I was trying to sell this thing the way the script that he gave us. And then Paul went on his fucking phone, which I didn't see in between the breaks

and then started talking, first of all, he sounds so nice. Paul's such a nice boy, you know, you're the guy you wanna bring home on the phone. And he's like, You wanna body switch with me? Yeah, I wanna block my brains out. So like he gets on the phone with this guy.

I've been saying like, Hey, do you wanna come to a bowling event for charity? And I'm having no luck. And then Paul gets on, he's like, Have you heard of pins in studio cities? Anyway, Justin Bieber has been Selena Gomez. There's people who've ever been to pins and I started listening.

Yeah, anyway, we're doing this event. And the first guy's like, okay, yeah, that sounds like really interesting. Like how much is it? You got it. He basically makes it. Because he's gonna go hang out with Justin Bieber. It sounds like those people are gonna be there.

What a great scam. They have been there. And you guys are now, you and Tofa are riding around in a car all the time together in case you're hoping for a lot of switch. Don't tell June. Joel, you are amazing. I actually just worked with you on a brand new series for Comedy Central called Unsend. The first three episodes are up right now.

You just go to YouTube type in Unsend. So so funny. I know you're also in Trill. Tell us where people can find you. Yeah, I met I hate Joel Kim on all the places. So I guess watch Big Mouth. I am in that show. And Trill is out on Hulu now.

And I have Played very small part, but it's such a great show and I Want everyone to see it and you get to see my ass in it first new day get that I know so now I truly have been sending it out with reckless abandon at this point on all the app so yeah Do that and follow me online. And yeah, if you follow me, I have a bunch of dates in April in different cities, but I can't remember. And I won't be looking them up. Oh, it's our Jason, I just asked you. Oh, no, I'm good.

I'm John Wick 3 comes out in a month or less somewhere around there. They're excited about that. So we'll see. And then still going. Oh yeah. Still man. Yeah, he's got to finish up what he's, what he's got to, he's got to kill everybody.

He's got to kill everybody in the world. Thank you guys so much for being here. All right, people, you can watch Black Monday, all on demand right now. All 10 episodes are up. It's four hours, all total. So you can just sit back and binge on demand right now. All 10 episodes are up. It's four hours all total. So you can just sit back and binge on that really quickly. Also pick up my comic book, Cosmic Ghostwriter destroys

Marvel history issue two out on the stands right now. It's all about Spider-Man and Venom and Cosmic Ghostwriter. I think you're really like it. The art is by Todd Nauke's amazing. And it's really fun. And also definitely check out UnSend, which we're giving a double plug to, but enjoy UnSend, which you can just watch on YouTube, just type in UnSend. And a big thank you to everybody who makes this show possible,

Engineer Devon in the booth and in the room, our producer Cody and Kelly, who are always fantastic to have here. The person who found this movie, Averl Halley, always finding these gems, the hardest gems to find. Didn't even know this movie existed. You can follow her on movie bitches, on YouTube, and on Twitter. They're always putting up great content. Nate Kiley, who does our research,

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