How Did This Get Made? - Matinee Monday: Vampire's Kiss LIVE! (w/ Hayes Davenport)

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

Hayes Davenport (Hollywood Handbook) joins Paul, June, and Jason LIVE from the Now Hear This Festival in Anaheim, CA to try to comprehend what's happening in the 1988 Nicolas Cage film Vampire’s Kiss. They cover everything from the legendary misfiling & ABC’s scene to whether or not Cage becomes a vampire by the end of the movie. Plus, in a HDTGM first, we get actual answers from the director and star of the film as to what was happening in the movie, what the mimes were doing, and how they almost used a real bat. (Originally Released 11/11/2016) HDTGM is going on tour this Oct & Nov! Go to hdtgm.com for tix and info.For more Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

It's a movie where Nick Cage eats a live cockroach and that's like the eighth craziest thing that happens in it. We saw vampires kiss, so you know what that means. Oh, how we got home, that's good. We made it! Got it. What's the naked girl baby in this belly? Like a rock stonest while whipping just in the kelly.

Or maybe see a burlash show with it Throw and take a bubble sweet to hit And cruise control J.M.A. Big Paul in the beautiful jewel Gonna take you from the groove All the way to the road Branded games in street fighter Hope to blow off steam

Just to suck a bunch of odd life At 10 minutes of grain Shopping it with a bird Demi can't be standing alive They call it in a badass And he's on the line Cracking 88 minutes cause they cool his eyes Cause the bad Jim Bonnie looking kind of nice

Paul and Drew getting literal Jason is getting laid Drew is making sure all the monkey shots get in pain They judge a bunch of movies while they making the grade Here's a real question for you how to just get mad Hello people! Hey! And hello people! Give me. Hello, people. And hello, people of Anaheim. We are here live at the now here this podcast festival. Very exciting Saturday Night Show.

For those listening right now, it's almost Halloween. It is a Halloween show Unfortunately, I did a very terrible job at letting anyone know It was a Halloween show just until yesterday afternoon So I hope some of you are in costume. I for the audience at home can you can imagine me? I'm dressed as Chuck Norris from top dog. I Have my dog and I hate Nazis. So shit just got real. We're going to see what costumes we have tonight as well.

But let's get this show started, because there's so much to unpack. What is this movie? Be a question that I would ask right out of the gate. And I can't think of two people better to help me figure it out. First of all, unfortunately, you could not be here tonight. So sorry, we got the waitress from Maximum Overdrive.

Please welcome Norma Jean. Come back June. time. Ah, the time. June also found out about the costume contest very late in the day. So we've got together. Yeah, you really did. You put something together. It was really good. Please welcome a man who needs no more introduction than me saying, please welcome Jason and Lucas. What's up, jerks? How are we doing?

Welcome. Welcome, welcome, Jason. You're dressed just like yourself Jason. What are you dress to us here? Wait, wait, wait, I'm dressed up as also some a character from the podcast. Oh, really? I don't recognize it right off the bat anybody guess. I Am the Jason of our group Great

As the Jason of our group. I Actually met the Jason of our group. I Actually met the Jason of our group yesterday at a Lunch that I was having who's like hey, hey, hey, and I went over and at first I didn't wait you went over you answered to hey Hey, hey, so you're telling everybody here and everybody listening to podcast all it takes for you is hey Hey, hey, you're like yep What are we doing? I'm ready to engage you. I have communication with people.

Get off our phones. Let's have real conversations with people. And he goes, hey, I'm the Jason of my group. I got to apologize, man, I was totally shit-faced. So he apologizes. A apology not accept the Jason of the group. Fuck you. Your costume is superb as always.

Thank you so much Paul. And finally, tonight we have a very special guest. You know this person. As the co-host of the Hollywood Handbook, right here on Irwolf. He is a writer on DeForsi, wrote on Vice Principles. Please welcome Hay is Davenport welcome is

oh hi scary which I am a scary witch tonight I'm sorry if it is freaking anyone out too much I'm glad that you did prepare us backstage because when you put on the witch costume, and for those of you at home, it is one of the most elaborate witch costumes you could possibly ever see. I mean, I'm a witch, tonight I am a 100% witch. You went to like the wardrobe department on like,

I'm a studio lot. Yeah, this was not a last second purchase at all. No, I feel like I'm I feel bad for the people in the VIP section I know they're gonna be so freaked out Yeah, the entire show that you might be performing a spell VIP section You guys are the VIP Wow All right now that they've identified themselves people in the back revolt Take their seats they've identified themselves, people in the back, revolt! Take their seats!

Tear them apart! Take their seats! Make America great again! I want to see people's costumes, but I think we should save it for a little bit later in the show, because it will be a visual thing that you at home will be like, why am I listening to people just talk about costumes? But you're still like, oh, but I still have another 30 minutes of the dry cycle. Well, I am so excited for all of us to be here because this movie has been one that we've

talked about wanting to do for a long time. This is a good one. This movie, well first let's just maybe start off with a general question which is how would you classify this movie? Is it horror movie? Is it a vampire movie? Is it romance movie? No idea. I think it's a harrowing tale of mental illness. Actually, you know, listening to the trailer, you said this last night, Paul, that it, when was the movie made? It was made in 19, something.

89, I think. Because it did sort of feel like a commentary on the AIDS crisis. Yes. That's what I did. Yeah. And hearing the trailer and listening to the voiceover about, like, oh, he's a man who wants to find love in the city. And it felt like he was, well, whatever, we'll talk about this movie.

I don't know. For me, it was more commentary on Iran Contra. I'm surprised that you took AIDS from it. I also got a very powerful message, but yeah, not the AIDS thing as much. Well, to me, what's so interesting about it was having heard of this movie, what I knew about it was Nick Cage, I'm gonna take off my wig I just be sweating up a story What I thought it was was I thought it was a vampire movie. How many people here thought? Oh, it's gonna be like a vampire movie, right?

It's not how many people still think it's a vampire movie? Get it together, assholes. I don't know. I guess the thing is, well, all right, maybe we just start at the top. Oh, yeah. And we'll find our way into it. The first thing that threw me about this movie was simply the accent. Oh yeah. Yeah, sure. Straight out of the gate, maximum cage. I was like, this is a so-cal accent by the way of like the British Isles.

Yes, I spent so long trying to figure out who the specific character is that it was reminding me of and it's Derek Zoolander. I mean, that, yeah. I broke up with my girlfriend. I mean, that's almost identical to Zoolander's accent. It's such a bold, bold choice. Yeah, to not do an accent well. But.

But, listen, it's not an accent. It's not an accent as, it's not a regionalism. It's not, it's not really British. It's a way of life. It's, no, it's, it's cage's idea of like literature in an accent form. It's, it's like a professorial, but it's not... I know Ryan attached to it.

So it's like people who read books speak like this, like kind of in the way that sounds like that. I know for a fact that what June is saying is exactly right that he does think of it as literary, and here's why this movie is impossible to find anywhere. Yes. Like, you know, you all who watched it, I'm amazed because I had to go to two different

physical video stores to find it. No, on iTunes it's like nowhere on the internet. I found it on Starr's. It's on the man. Yeah, I subscribe to Starr's no big deal. So I watched it on DVD and so I'm armed with a Nicholas Cage commentary. I'm so excited. On this entire movie with the director, Robert Bierman.

I have, I just see you know I have a folder here called Answers. So at any given point, we can delve into the answers, but you can do that. Yeah, there's an answer for everything. It's based on his dad who was a literature professor. It certainly does not sound like that, but it's It's based on his dad who was a literature professor. Certainly does not sound like that, but it's what Nicholas Cage thinks his dad sounds like. But now here's my thought.

Was he a liter, like he was in literature, but I thought when the camera panned by the door, it was like the finance department. No, he's like a lawyer or something. No, you guys, he's an agent. He's an agent. He's a literary, he's like a short story agent, but he's rich. He's, in my mind, he works for an agency that represents

short story writers. Yeah. Or just writers in general, but he was dealing with a short story writer. And he's a part man is really nice. Yeah. So you know, he's making those 80s era short story books. Yeah. There are everybody who is getting rich.

There are similarities to this and the Patrick Bateman character from American Psycho. But that character seems to have a reason to have all that money. This character seems insane. Yeah. to have all that money and to pray this character seems Insane yeah, well, that's what I felt like I felt like his initial choice because I wrote it down to what is this accent This is crazy and I was almost like for the first couple of minutes of the movie. I was like oh This is disappointing. We're gonna watch Nick Cage just do this weird thing, and then I was like, oh, no, wait a minute.

This is just where he's starting from. And what he did was, he was like, oh, I know where I wanna go. So I gotta start something that seems like uptight and like cultured. So that's where I'm starting from. And then it takes him about 10 minutes to get to complete berserk insanity.

June, you're right. Yeah, I just like flash forward a little bit. I'm like, why did he leave that art gallery? Oh, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, he had to pee, I think, is what he said. Yeah, but I don't know if that was the full story. I like pee.

Okay, I struggle. I don't want to ask this question, but I'm going to. Which is, I know you're saying it's not a vampire movie, but what did he turn into at the end? Nothing. Yeah, nothing. Why, I think it's a narrowing tale of mental illness. It's a little bit like Reckway and Fur Dream

without the drugs. You know, he just downward spires. Let's just listen to... But still with a double-sided dildo. Oh, of course Right keep David's definitely I think Just I want you to hear the accent. This is something that April found that I think is great What he talks about in the beginning did you guys catch this because I didn't catch it You'll see it on the screen

But here take a listen see if you can figure it out out. It's stretching itself. It's stretching itself. Good. We eat the airpia, we want it. No, we said it already. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but he's talking about the fantastic for the superheroes. This is-

Keeping them funny, I guess, not copyrighted names. Yeah, because they're rubberman. Because they're rubberman. Fireball, he talks about fireball. And the man of bricks. So- So I can see someone checking, be like, we're okay on these, right?

We can talk about, we can just call him rubberman. We don't have to pay for that. I just see them coming up to me, be like, Nick, you know, we wrote lines for you coming out. And he's like, I got it, I got it, I got it. Yeah. But it's also like, you're talking about literature. He's like, yeah, comic books, right?

Superman. And Batman. No, no, no, no laughing about every thing for the first two hours. They are. So I have a great commentary fact about this scene in particular. What's going on, just off screen, from this scene, is the movie was made with a non-union crew. So there's a massive protest from the union happening right off screen as they're exiting this bar. And the only way they could get them to be quiet is to call the police

and have them all thrown in prison. So there's like a giant inflatable rat, right? Giant rat? Yes. Yeah. Well, they're rat, they should have used that rat for later in the movie. Yes. Wait, wait, but there's something so crazy about this character because if you're supposed to believe that this character is going on this descent This descent he is getting laid left and right. Well, but he's rich. He's seemingly happy But I think that's why he is going on the descent

Because he's getting laid too much. Yeah. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah, I think he's he's this is the madness of too much sexual activity. I do I think that he is being Punt I think a lot of people in the audience that probably resonates with Nobody's fucking more than podcast fans Well, because he made it very Honestly that he's been sexually aroused by a bat. Yeah and I do think there's something happening to him where his sexuality is causing him to go insane.

So which goes back to my theory, this is about eights? Exactly. But your theory that this is about eights? Yeah. You just stole June's theory. No, it was mine. It was. It was your theory.

It was your theory. It was your theory. It was your head and head theory.. You're gonna get my theory soon. Wow. Um, scandal. Uh, a sign of, of, of all the movies that we've been doing lately has been Animal POV Cam. Whenever you see that an animal has like its own camera and this movie, there's a bat cam. The bat is just swooping in.

So does the bat is so twilight? The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. The bat is so twilight. Yeah. And here's the other quote, okay, sorry, Tangerine. No, please, did anybody else think that maybe this movie

was about a man who got bit by a bat and just had rabies? Yes. Oh, wow. Like, did it, that's what I started a certain point. I was like, oh, maybe he just got bit by that bat in that first scene. And the rest of it is just his descent into madness because of rabies.

But then they double down and then it gets bitten in the neck scene by a woman. So I'm like, I don't know what he did. I don't think he does. I don't know what he did. Right, because he doesn't, because when he sees or he's clueless. Because Jessica Beale at the end of the movie

is like, I don't know who you are, bro. So he's, so this is. Not Jessica Beale. Jennifer Beale. So. Jennifer Beale's, right? Not Jessica Beale. Yes.

We're gonna get this straight, guys. But I'm going to use them interchangeably, so also fuck you. But she, but all right, so then, when this is like, when does the movie stop happening at the bat bite and then everything's in his head from there on in? Do you think maybe Jacob's lantern? That's what I was going to say. What's your mark?

Cause it's like the bat bite from there on in, he's an unreliable narrator. Well, no, I think he's going crazy is what's happening. He's just going crazy. He's not like it's imaginary or anything. But we're only seeing, well, he's not getting bit. No, I don't think so. I don't think.

But he is biting other people. What, yeah, he murders that wall. Yeah. Later on in the movie, when he runs face first into a wall and thinks it's his psychiatrist, I believe that is really happening. The only other theory is that when the bat bit him, his spirit went into the bat.

Hang on now, what went into him? Yeah. And the rest of the movie, his spirit went into the bat. Hang on now, what? When it's in here. Yeah. And the rest of it, I'm in, yeah, I'm on this now. This is the only other viable feeling. The only other explanation. Yeah, he is acting as a bat. Yes, he's the bat.

It's the only thing that makes sense. It's true. It's actually the only thing. June, welcome back. Yeah. We missed you. Oh, yeah. We missed you. Oh, yeah.

We missed you. Oh, yeah. We missed you. Oh, yeah. I, right. So, the bat is acting as Nicholas Cage. And then Nicholas Cage is somehow, the bat is just flying around potentially happy as bat.

Well, I don't know. We didn't get to learn that much about Nick Cage's character before it was, you know, before we came back. This movie is amazing, but this movie is about one man's descent into absolute madness. I feel like, and it's also about the heroic journey of a woman to find a contract. And that's what made me really happy. I was like, there is equal weight on both. At any point where I was like, what is this movie about?

Because if a real makes no sense, I was like, oh no, they've got to find that contract in these files. And that's the most, they're really, really, really, really, really, but they don't need to find, that's the other thing. They don't need to find the contract. No. There's so much about the movie that's extremely vague. Anything that's, you never know what's happening at any time.

There's Izzy of Vampire. Is this really happening? What's going on? Except for Frank Heatherton needs the contract for Raddlesnake Hills from his first foreign sale to Durspiegle. Well, we know every piece of minutiae about this contract and nothing else. We want to forget it, but we can't. None of that is relevant to the movie.

No, no. No, no, no. It's my question. No, I obviously don't agree with how he treated her. Oh, oh, oh. But. But. But why couldn't she find that contract? Yeah.

Honestly, she was in there till 3 a.m. She was working crazy hours like and it was just there. Yeah. But here's the thing, how could she find it? Because a good portion of her day was spent running away. Running away from him. While he actively chased her through a work environment and everybody was like, oh, what's going on here? Yeah, that one woman in the bathroom,

he chases her into the woman's bathroom. Basically, friends her life from front of this woman and she says, what the fuck is going on? And then leaves. Yes. I will play that scene because watch her kind of look at the director like, without it, did I get it? Here it is a bathroom lady here. Old lady bathroom

right here we go. This is a, this is an amazing scene too. It's a real, real fun What the hell is he doing in here? I haven't gone. You hurt me, I'm gonna use it. What the fuck is going on? Wash his hands, does not dry them. And then as you walk it away, just like right down the ledge. Straight down the barrel. Just look right down the lens, and that's

what we're going to cut out. I feel like maybe my character would help her. Nope. Nope. You wouldn't. She's seen this. Look, it's a literary agent office. There's guys chasing women at the bathrooms all the time

being threatened with guns. This is just part of literary agencies in the fast-moving 80s. We all saw bright lights big city. We know what this is like. I also thought that there was a level one improv student level of understanding what happens at an office. Like it was sort of like, we're in the office.

Get those files. I'll get them. Like it was just nothing felt like anyone had ever been, they're like, this is paper. You know, it just... Well speaking of, the scene that made me insane was, I can't remember when it was in the beginning when he's looking out the window and there's a hot dog salesman.

Yes. You know what I'm talking about. Yes, this is so weird. And this is the direction and like people who can't improvise because the hot dog guy is giving two hot dogs to a couple who's kind of making out and they don't take the hot dogs quick enough and he shoves them in their face.

Peace. It's so horrible. He's so desperate to get them these hot dogs. I so there's a line of people waiting for him. Yeah, but I did have an issue with those people. Just wait for it. They have to make out during be hot dogs. I so there's a line of people waiting behind them. But I did have an issue with those people. Just wait for it. Like they have to make out during the hot dogs session. Well, they were making out in the night club as well.

They kept coming back to them. He's wearing silver gloves. And they're like, this movie is everybody's super horny. Everybody's saying the word horny all the time. It's like that's a whole thing. It is a deeply uncomfortable movie. Thank God he's in therapy. Yes. He's in therapy with a therapist. Obsessed with a therapist. Obsessed with a therapist who has like, in late in the game, is revealed to have like a very young lover. Right.

And I was obsessed with, I was like, what is her story? I want a whole movie about that therapist in her life in New York. And she's like, you're originally a Lorraine Bronco. I feel like that's my thought it was. I feel like Lorraine Bronco is like, no, no, no, David Chase. I know what I'm gonna do. But she has an interesting way of practicing

because there are times when she really tries to, you know, make connections and see the metaphor and what he's saying and then there are other days he first says that he was attacked by a bad and felt sexually around. She's like, well, whatever. It's a bad. So you felt something like, okay, who cares? Anyway, like she completely Anyway, she completely dismisses him. Yeah, she says something basically like, well, you probably already had a boner because you're about to do it.

Which is not a real psychiatrist. I don't know if that's in DSM4 for psychiatrists. Well, maybe you already had a boner because he was about to do it. Yeah, because he did reveal, I think, in that moment, he was like, hey, I feel awkward. He's like, no, you're fine. You're totally fine.

Can I ask you a genuine question? Because Paul has pulled up this picture of the therapist and her young lover. Yeah. Who I thought was the brother for a moment. Who's her brother? I thought it was Alva's brother. That's brother.

Oh. I can see that. OK. I have a real question for the audience. Does anybody wear a towel around their neck like that? Ever. This is a real movie trope that I would never think to wrap a towel around my neck like,

doot doot doot. Yeah, it's not, I guess if you just finish washing your hair and then you're kind of like, but that to me is like, don't worry, I'm communicating to the audience. I just took a shower. I guess you're right. It means that you want to keep the towel on you,

but you also want to keep your dick exposed. Yeah. I still got to dry off. It's really can't wrap it around your neck. You think his dick is out? No. No, it's a guy who can't help not. So why is he using so many towels?

Who is he? Who is he? Who is this fuck? Oh, I'm just going to come over your house, bang you out, take a shower, use two of your nice red towel. Yeah. He has no body here, he probably air dries it like 10 seconds.

Yeah, this guy is for sure using guest towels. He is naked from the waist down. She looks almost like Emma Thompson in this, which makes me really wish Emma Thompson was in this movie. She would be a great therapist. I also had an issue with Nick Cage when he always had sex as undershirt was on. That undershirt never came off.

And it just felt weird to me. He's always having like, kept coming when she bit him, right? Yeah. But he was never bit. Yes, he was. He did. He was not bit by her. Oh, not in real life.

Why do you think? I think the bat bit him. Yeah. For sure. I don't know. I do you think? I think the bat bit him. Yeah, for sure. I don't know. I think he met that girl. Okay, so you think the band-aid is covering a bat fight? Yes, because he did get baffled. No, he did get bit by the bat, because he comes out of the apartment,

and they laugh, and they get a cab, and they go away. Where did they go, by the way? Maybe to her house. Maybe. And then, because he's, remember, by the way? Maybe to her house. Maybe. And then because he's, remember, he gets busted. That's his mystery, we'll never know. Well, he gets busted the next morning by Alva,

because she sees that he's not wearing any socks, and she's making a lot of judgments about him. There's one shot where he's looking at her calves and socks. Why? I didn't even catch that. Okay. Now I'm sort of thinking there so there's one scene where they're in the very beginning they're walking through the bar and you sort of the cameras like pat picking up a little bit of other conversations. Does that have anything to do with the plot of this movie? I

can tell the people that... Yeah, John Michael Higgins and David Hyde Pierce. Oh, I can see David Hyde Pierce. The only two conversations are David Hyde Pierce and John Michael Higgins. I saw John Michael Higgins and I was like, Yeah. And then I was like, oh, maybe they're all part

of the same company and we're gonna see more of them. Nope. Nope, gone forever. Yes, you never see them again. This is a movie that doesn't add up. The minute he's okay. So we and we by the way, have not broached the plot of this movie at all.

No, like literally not at all. So he meets the first woman. They kind of try and have sex. He gets bit by the bat. She goes away. He stands her up sort of. She's mad. Then he meets.

No, he gets bit by the bat. Then the next night goes out and meets Jennifer Peel. Yeah, he gets bit by the bat, then the next night goes out and meets Jennifer Peel. Yeah. It's bit by her. So abruptly, that is the weird, you would think there would be some build up to the first time he's bitten by a vampire in this movie called the vampire's kiss and it happens like so fast.

He means her and then suddenly he's getting bit by her. And she's like, yeah, they go right the cut. They don't even like show any of this. The deduction is like, yeah, they go right, they cut. They don't even show any of this adduction. He's like, he's getting bit constantly. Constantly. Constantly world in which he just gets laid easy. And then, but then she's a literary agent. I guess so.

Yeah, sure, short story. I'm the time where everybody wants to be a short story, right? But then I also thought too, he's not a day, like if you're looking at the transformation, and I know we're going, like he's transforming into being a kind of sane person into an insane person, but he doesn't, like he doesn't start off nice.

Wouldn't it have been nicer to be like, oh, he's a normal, affable gent who then becomes insane? He treats alva in his... I think that's what he thought he was doing. But he, the first thing with alva, he's like, get me that, like he's not like... Oh, my favorite, there's, I Alva, he's like, get me that. Like he's not like... Oh, my favorite. There's, I have 10,000 favorite scenes,

but I loved the one where he's like, Alva. Alva. Alva. Alva! Alva! Alva! Alva!

And it just keeps cutting out into the office and people are like, what the fuck is going on? That seemed to be inspired by Dave, the chipmunks dad. Yeah. Ah. I mean, he draws from a lot of different. So I always think that's a free pool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Here's the thing. If he's not a vampire by the end, then I will. I will. What you think is. You believe that he fades a vampire? No, I don't know what he is. I don't know if he's a vampire or not by the end. But if he is, in a world in which he is actually a vampire

at the end, I did like, and this is where I will give the movie props, I liked the slow burn into being a vampire. There is no slow burn because he's not a vampire. Yeah. But the audience. I can tell you what else doesn't know, whether or not he's a vampire, is Nicholas Cage and the director of the movie.

Nicholas Cage gives one of the most unhinged performances. This is saying a lot because he's Nicholas Cage. I would argue. This is a movie that has so many scenes that are so bad shit crazy that I watched them and I was like this right here this Almost insane level scene is the take that the director was like this is the one we can use Well, I will I will go I will go once the further and say I think that this scene right here just to kind of show you Should be required for every actor. This is This is legendary. This is this should be

every everyone who auditions for Juilliard or anything should have to use this scene. How could somebody miss file something? What could be easier? It's all alphabetical. You just put it in the right file according to alphabetical order. You know A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, R, J, K, L, M, N, D, H, R, S, D, U, V, D, U, I do not know why things. Ha! That's all you have to do! Very good. You know you're out of bed. I didn't miss found anything! That's what! What time?

That is an amazing freeze frame. This is the beginning of the end. I have a move threat to this. That he is positioning his shoulders and back. He does kind of a Peter Pan hands on hips to hips for a minute. He's about to crow. But this is what I mean. This is where I feel like this movie is the story of a man

who is in the throes of an onset of schizophrenia or something like a real mental collapse is happening to him. He's like at that age where this is where it comes on. So nothing to do with the bat? Yeah, or it's rabies, or it's rabies. I think we don't think he's open up fire. I thought it was rabies, too.. I thought it was rabies too. I really thought it was rabies because it's like,

it makes, because if you just go like, he just went insane, then who, I guess the question is, is like, but does rabies present like that? Are we, any doctors in the audience, any doctors, any doctors? Any events in the community? Any current rabies victims.

Any, any feral people. Anybody dressed up as somebody with rabies? That you know it. Like but here's my I guess my big note then let us in let the audience in on some level of what's going on. I don't think so. Because at one point I thought when he looks in the mirror he's like I can't see myself I can't see myself. Oh my God.

I'm like, you're there. And then I'm like, oh, so can you not afford that effect? Or are you just saying that's, I think, that's madness. I think that's what I think. His mind is telling him he's turning into a vampire. And as a result, because we can see in that scene, they're like, well, don't worry. He's not disappeared

because there's seven times as many mirrors as there should be in this room, all of which he is in. But that's not, that's the, but the only thing that definitively tells you that he's not a vampire is when he shoots himself with a gun, which is blanks. And then he's like, I'm a,

because you're like, oh, well, of course, he thinks he's a vampire, because he has shot himself with blanks. And then he's like, I'm a vet, because he's like, oh well, of course, he thinks he's a vampire, because he has shot himself with blanks. He's not really, that's when I started to go, oh, wait, no, he's not a... What do you mean? Wait, what? Those were blanks when he put the gun in his mouth.

Sure, sure. And when he shot himself twice, and he... By the way, it would fuck you up regardless. Big time, big time. Giantly, and, but I think that, giantly, I think you mean bigly. Bigly.

I was about to say fuck that. He also does a thing with the mirror where he touches it and he goes like, ah, like it's burning him. And you can almost hear the director be like, should we tell him that the vampires aren't burned by mirrors? No, no, no. That's not a vampire thing. It's a vampire's like, the mirror is hot.

But so. He does so many things like that that are, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no believe so. Well, well, definitely this happened. Yeah, the New York Post with a great headline, girl victim of bizarre murder. Can I ask you what? And with a murder scene on the cover, like very rarely does the New York Post get the, the, the, the evidence photo bloody dead body of cover of the newspaper and and and really that would have gone to press very late To get that photo to run that What he runs out of the club they say the sun's about to come up and he's like 5 a.m. There's no way Thank God there was one good New York poster porter in there chief. I got a scoop hold the front page I ran contract don't run it. And you

know what? We'll give all the specifics to the post. Just generalities to the daily news. And by the way, body found. I also like that it's a girl victim. Yeah, girl victim. Oh, it was bite. No, I think they're saying like girl. Also, nobody in the news is nobody in the news is picking up on the vampire aspect of this. It's a woman who died with two puncture holes in her neck. The like vampire doesn't play it to the headline at all. But now by the way, I've had those plastic vampire teeth in certain points of my life, you know, I've enjoyed, I've enjoyed a vampire dress up.

We get a new co-deal in 1999. Having fun with a little vampire, you can't do shit with those teeth. And to think that he punctured a woman's neck, she had a soft neck. Oh, wow. It's blasting forth. She's adding for she had a soft neck. Oh, what she's asking for. She's asking for it.

Oh, stop. Tissuey neck. I felt like I was like, okay, even if you bit in the someone's neck, it would still take her a very long time to die from that, right? I think. It would not. You would have to pierce her jugular and she would have to bleed out and that would take minutes. to die from that. Right? I think. It would not. You would have to pierce her jugular

and she would have to bleed out and that would take minutes. Right? I mean, yeah. It's almost like an ad for those teeth because there is a scene earlier with basically saying like, you don't need the expensive ones

to kill someone with these teeth. That's what the theme of this movie is. Because he passes up on the really expensive teeth he says, I don have a money basically think these are get the job done. He also becomes poor He is very suddenly poor for no reason. Yeah, he goes from having a lot of money to just three dollars in his wallet Yeah, just spend $50 on the cab ride on that cab ride Wait, so I know we're still unpacking it all but if he's not a vampire 17 hours talking about this movie, but if he's not a vampire I'm talking about the Mimes dancing in front of oh my god I want to know everything about those people Nick Cage goes to

Random House we don't know whose house is not his apartment because he lives in the brownstone He goes to a random apartment to use a phone to call a lobby pay phone Yeah, and as he walks by Two guys are west side storing Fighting I like who look it's very choreographed mind fighting and they're in a loop because they're doing the same routine in front of the building over and over again Why I they're doing the same routine in front of the building over and over again. Why? I genuinely want to know. It's vampire stuff. You know?

It's all of the vampires. It's the illusion that he has just like, nope, that's New York in the 80s man. That's just where we're living. You know? It's just really seeking Susan. It's after hours and it's this. Wait, I just think about, I'm jumping all over the place. I'm going to go back for a second go. The place where he bought those vampire teeth, it seemed like

they wouldn't sell vampire teeth. It seemed like a fronology on skull thing. Yeah, like an awful store. Like it seemed like it wasn't like a place where you buy like $1.99 plastic vampire teeth. I mean, I look, I could see there would be some curiosities in that store. Those are the, those are the curious. The vampire teeth would be the curiosities. And there's also in that store, the very expensive vampire teeth are on display and then he says, do you have cheaper ones? And he says, oh yeah, so let me go into the secret drawer.

Where are the people who can't afford the $20 vampire teeth. Like cheap fast vampires. It was so interesting about the vampire teeth. You could buy that he feels he's turning into a vampire, and that's a part of his delusion. And so he can't deal with the sun anymore. But when he buys the teeth, if he was a vampire, those fangs would grow, of course.

Of course. So when he buys the teeth, he has the character nose. I'm buying these teeth to look like I'm a vampire. So there's some... He's like examining his own teeth. And he'd, but he'd cease that he doesn't have fangs. Correct. And so he goes out and buys the fangs,

which to me shows a certain level of self-awareness, like I'm not a vampire, clearly, because I don't have the teeth. So I'm going to go buy the costume. I disagree. I think he's a perfectly rational person. By the way, every decision he makes perfect. It would be like, hey, he's running

around Anaheim right now. I was like, I'm a witch. I'm a witch. Because he's wearing like a $2 witch hat. By the way, I think those shitty vampire teeth cost $3.50 in the movie. In 1989? That's like a cracker Jack prize. Yeah. All right, so I would believe all this stuff that he's not a vampire and he's descending into madness. If the end of the movie didn't have Jennifer Beals go, dream of me. Wait, wait, so wait, so that was real? No. But where, why is that book ending the movie?

The vampires going like, because I think it's basically like, you're fucked, dude, you're crazy forever. But though she's really a vampire. No, he's dying. Oh, so that's his last image. He's dying, he's like, it's his last image. I thought that was like, I thought that was like the Michael Jackson moment at the end of Thriller when he's like,

ha ha, I am scary. Like, you know what? Shit. I think he says that line of dialogue, right? They cut it out. They cut it out and became a huge hit. It would never, it would never. I don't know, Michael.

I think we have to cut out, Ha-ha, I am scary. Ha-ha, I am scary. It's bull-j-a-guys. Just joshin. How else is he gonna know? How else are people gonna know that I'm scary at the end? Bullji, Bullji guys. Just Josh and just joking. How else are people gonna know that I'm scary at the end? I have to say, I'm scary.

I'm scary. Oh my God. I don't know, maybe the little boy in the beginning had something to do with all this. What? Oh yeah. Little boy, the little boy who was peering over the stairwell. Yeah. Never saw him again and I really thought we would. Is he a wizard of some kind?

But you think he's like from like on summer break from Hogwarts? What do you think? What is this for me? What is this for me? Um, June, I want to ask you a question, because you're, you know, obviously you're a woman and obviously, you do iron a lot in your bra is that a comfortable position to iron? Well first of all she's wearing,

I hate those weird 80s bras that have like no boobs in them. They wear these weird pointy bras that don't fill out a woman's chest. Or that the woman's chest does not fill out. Well I can't tell, this is not necessarily something I've thought about. woman's chest. Or that the woman's chest does not fill out. Well, I can't tell. This is honestly something I've thought about.

Is it that women were not fitted correctly for bras or was it that you just could never no matter what size chest you had, you could never fit into a bra that looks like that? This is such a good question. So no. Like, I really want to drill down on just in this alone. Because I also want to talk about the

Stickers that were covering Jennifer Beals is yes. Thank you. Oh, I didn't see that were I think we're very visible and Like not the same color as her body. Yeah, so that was also very weird But I feel like that was to me, those bras to me in movies are indicative of no over coverage, so nothing is revealed. That bra scene is so weird. Her reaction is so crazy. This is her boss who's been like threatening to kill her almost every day. She took a death work. He showed up at her house. He's standing outside her window and she kind of goes, hey. What? He's with a badge.

He's with a bag of two in here. This is a person who has already chased her around the work environment. It's so much so that she says, I will shoot you with a gun. And then he's shut up and she's like, I don't know, come on in. What's happening? He says showed up and she's like, man, all right, come on in. What's happening?

He says something to the effect of like, I'm sorry that I mistreated you. And she's kind of like, aw. She keeps, he keeps, he bait and switches her so many times into like, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. And then he's like, ah! And then like the minute he turns on a dime on her, it is. How so was in short, what is going on in this home

that's forcing her to go back to this job? Quit. What's happening there? How about quit or how about this go to HR? Please. Things are happening in your workplace. She clearly did, She clearly did. And then he was sitting around with all of his buddies and they were like, total locker room.

locker room talking there. Oh, that's terrible. They're all laughing. Can you believe she asked me for a raise? Just because you chased her around. And then the boss was like, the only thing I want to know. Is, was there anything written about me in the bathroom walls? And what did it say?

Oh my God. We could do better than this. Yeah, those guys are like so she probably did go to HR and then was kind of tough with them. They're like, hey, I'm gonna sue you. Give me a raise. It's like no. And she's like, okay, I'll go back to my desk and find that file. Yeah, I mean the movie is incredibly misogynistic. Also, I couldn't believe that she didn't kill him at the end. That we had to enlist her brother, a character we've never met. Yeah. To come and say, what you should have killed him. Of course she should have. And, well, the thing that I thought was so weird is they tie them together so much

when he's having his first mental breakdown, he's destroying the apartment, they're cutting that back and forth with her on the subway seemingly in no harm, but like rattled. Yeah. Something is happening between, and I don't know what it is, I think with your theory about AIDS and the late 80s, early 90s, that something was happening. She's wearing a lot of lore Ashley dresses. She's very innocent. She's very virginal.

And her and the white bra on covering herself up. There was something connected between the two of them where he literally wanted, I mean, he did rape her at the end, but he wanted to destroy her. Somebody just went, uh, spoiler alert. I will say according to the director of the movie, that's not a real rape. Oh, no. Whatever does that mean? Oh, yeah, that's in the commentary.

Yeah, we'll get into that. Oh my God. Um, well, oh God. Yeah, you had a chance to weigh it on that scene. That's the one thing you want people to take out. He admits to it at the end. I mean, this ending scene where he finally, where he gets off, this is like, so Nick Cage is being a hold on one here.

This is when he's finally kind of, I'm just going to fast forward a little bit. He goes back to his therapist. He goes back. This is where the movie truly became transcendent for me. Is the scene in which he is like going back and forth between an actual therapy session, like a fantasy therapy session, and the reality of him talking with a blood soaked mouth, talking to the corner of a building. Yes.

So in the scene, his therapist is like, hey, I found the perfect girl for you. They agree that they like everything and I'll take it from here. So refreshing. She run exactly the same wavelength. Fantastic. See how that thing is. I think... See you now, Jack, take it easy. Oh, all the stupid guys. I did rape someone a couple nights ago. Good luck, the office. I just lost control.

It's just a little id release. No use to worry. He's thought I should tell you. Okay. It's without a frame, Mary. Oh, yeah. Also, I... Well, the fact is I did murder someone last night. I turned into a vampire. It's a long story.

Goodness. Beat up, beat up, beat up. Beat up, beat up. People get murdered every day in this city. Do you think the world is going to stop? Yeah, I guess, but the police and everything, what if they find me? Would you stop worrying and just get on with your big romance? Yes, it even been arrested and the big longest carrying on. I just get out of here.

The both of you have a wonderful life together and I will take care of the cops I'm going to get out both of you out out out out out This is a movie we watched Like they made this movie people cut it together and was like guess this is it? Like it's a work, we'll put it in the air This is it. I guess it works. It works. It works.

About the police, in the real world of this movie, he's walking down the street, covered in blood, soaked in blood, carrying a sharp weapon. I think the police are not the problem. But here is just, did an autopsy with his mouth. Here is the interesting thing. Most of the scenes where he's running around screaming they shot on long lens and everyone in that is real New Yorkers who would give him no

reaction at all. This is what I love about you New York. And fucking get it. And then this is a little bit on loop here when he's going into vampire mode and just watch people's reactions. These are real people I will not fall! I will not fall! I will not fall! I will not fall! I will not fall! I mean, it seems insane, but like, I lived in New York for 12 years and like, that's not that weird. So basically, we could all have Nicholas Cage's in front of our apartments in New York, essentially. That could be the case where- I would sure, and I would not react at all. I would never- Someone who was screaming on a vampire.

I'd be like, yep, New York City. I'm going to cross the street right now, and that's all. All right, let's get to the audience. Because I think the audience is going to have some good questions. Do you have any questions? Any explanation hopes? Let's get into it. Today, we're giving out some stickers

from Liana Waldron, who designed some great Kumite stickers, some great word of the butt starts. And it's like telling your aunt that you had sex. Where does the butt start? Here we go. Raise your hand if you have a question. All right, great, right here. Now sir, your name, but I want you to give me your best Nicholas Cage doing three letters

of the alphabet. So you have to pick any three and you have to articulate them like Nick Cage would do. So any three you want, your name and your question, here you go. First your name. PJ. Okay, here's Nick Cage. Nick Cage. I.

B. C. Great. And your question. So, first an explanation, if I might. Sure. So, I think this film is about misogyny, sexual politics and a Freudian obsession with his mother as the vampire. And that this has driven him into madness. And that yeah, he's absolutely insane from the get-go,

but he just, he's caged descending into the cage that is his madness. Wow, are you a mental health professional? I am, well I'm a musician. Okay, all right, I'm a professional. Well, I'm a musician. Okay. All right, I work.

Immediately untrustworthy. You have a question, too? What instrument? What's your question? So, in that scene that you played up there where he's talking to the corner in the building, does anybody else think that he looks like a crackout Stephen Baldwin? Oh, he kind of does look a little bit like Stephen Baldwin. I would say yes, there you go, there's your question. So, Stephen Baldwin. Oh, he kind of does look a little bit like Stephen Baldwin. I would say yes, there you go, there's your quick.

So Stephen Baldwin. Stephen Baldwin. Yeah. If you have costumes, I want to see your costumes too. Yes. OK. Oh, we have a great costume here. This is amazing.

This is a Nick Cage costume. Can you guys guess who it is? Take a look from the stage. It's a bunny rabbit. Conair, you're right. Nick Cage. Oh, yeah. More. Yeah.

Amazing costume. Got it. All right. Here you go. Your name, your Nick Cage impression and your question. Is it the alphabet? Yeah, the alphabet. Okay, my name is Diana.

D-E-F-J. Great. Nice. So, you say that he's not a vampire, and you have different theories as well, but you're very quick to believe that he killed that woman. And I actually had a disagreement with my husband about that where he is, yes, he killed her.

But she's in the big nightclub all by herself. She has cocaine, no one's around her. She's all by herself. He manages to kill her and then wander back into this huge club. I know they're doing the whole, everyone is focusing on dancing and they're only into themselves. But how is it this woman's by herself? And I actually did bleed with the bad blood and everything

in the streets. I think we know she's dead because the newspaper tells. Yeah. I just want to get to your point. So in your experience, you said that she has cocaine and no one's rounder and your experience when people plot the coke at the club, everybody wants a piece, am I right? The 80s.

Sorry. There you go. All right, well, what do you think? I mean, I think that everything is fair play that you are, that she is not dead. Really? It's the blood. The thing I trust is in like watering the street and he's covered in blood and it's not.

I'm like if the newspaper didn't tell us that she was dead, I would be like, oh, maybe she's not dead. Because it didn't seem like a wound that was lethal at all. But that's just me. But the newspaper tells us. I mean, maybe she overdosed, and then he also killed her. So maybe she was passed out there, and he like drilled into it. Absolutely.

We got to find out. We got to talk to the cops. We got to get like a serial ass kind of podcast going on about the murder. Before she, this is the thing about this movie. This movie exists in a world in which women, beautiful women, cannot wait to fuck Nick Kay. Yeah. So much so that he comes staggering up to this woman

who's doing coke and just starts grope and touching her. And she's like, I'm in. It's on at that point. Yeah. She's pretty into it. And then he like bites her to death. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? The weird thing, and I'm not trying to, trying thing, and I'm not trying to blame her at all.

But I'm trying to imagine if someone came over and started biting me, I feel I would just get up. Yeah. I would just get up. And pull his hair and pull his head off her. Yeah, that's what was so weird. And Cole doesn't make you like chilled out. It's not like she was like on Molly.

She's like, oh, this feels good. It makes you like, what the fuck man, what the fuck? You know, she's getting violent out of it. Like if anything, she would be like, she would have like Coke strength. Yeah. And be like, snap. She'd be like the man.

So you're saying she can't be like the man of bricks. Well, but here's the thing. She'd be like the man of bricks. But I'm saying that by by the way because we know he's not a vampire. I don't think Yeah, we are sure he's gotta be fine fine. We're sure he's not a vampire, but by by by around of a pause Okay, go ahead if a human were to come over and start biting me with plastic with plastic teeth I think it wouldn't I think I'd probably be able to get out of it, not to brag. You're not gonna get those plastic teeth.

All I'm gonna say is when we met, you did not, right? But this is what I'm saying. Now if a vampire came over and started biting my neck, I don't know. What do you mean? I don't mean? It's very difficult to say. It's difficult to say. Because he would hypnotize him with his eyes. He is hypnotizing eyes the vampires. Some of them are strong. Just left off. By a round of applause, who thinks this story involves Nicholas Cage turning into a vampire? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. No way how many people don't think he's a vampire Full audience pretty much I also want to ask how many people aren't sure

That's a lot of people this is like being an undecided voter in this election What is wrong with you idiots Gary man, I'm with Gary. I hear you all right You're your name your Nicholas cage impression and your question. My name is David. WXYZ! Great. Yeah. All right.

So I want to do a little research, and I want, and found out on box office module that movie, this movie only made $725,000. Yeah. And I also noticed that opened the same day as a How To This Get Made Classic No Holds Bard. And I was just wondering if you guys had to choose between acting with either Kurt Fuller in No Holds Bard or Nicholas Cage in this movie, which one would you want to be in with? Wow, that's a great question. There's your stickers for you. Who would you rather act with Kurt Fuller, who is Nudgeen, you probably don't remember in No Holds Bard?

He's the never-remembering in the movies. He's the never-remembering in the movies. He's the never-remembering in the movies. He's the never-remember-holds bar. He's the never-remembering of the movie. He's the never-executive who calls him a, oh yeah. A jock ass? Jock ass? Right, what's the quote? You jock ass. Remember him?

Right, vaguely. Yeah. Oh, for me, the answer is obvious, all day, every day, vaguely. Yeah. Oh, for me, the answer is obvious. All day, every day, Nicholas Cage. All day, every day, Nick Cage. I want to wake up in a world in which Nicholas Cage is running around going berserk. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, cool.

What are we doing? We're doing totally insanity, ring of blood around my mouth. Great. I'm on board. Yeah, Kurt Fuller's a good actor. I mean, in so is Nicholas Cage, but I'm just saying but it's more of an interesting experience, I would imagine.

I would say, Nick Cage. I think that like, I'd say. Yeah, I'll be. I live in a world in which I understand Nicholas Cage to be insane, right? And we've seen obviously a million Nicholas Cage movies that are Cuckoo Bananas, Wicker Man, so many good ones. This is a movie in which he is, what did you say, 23?

23 years old. He's 20, so Nicholas Cage was that Nicholas Cage even then. And that's terrifying. That is terrifying. Just think of what they needed to do in Moonstruck to keep him in taste. Yes. Like, because it was all there. It was ready to explode.

I see him doing takes and then being like, okay, we're going to go again. He's like, no, you got it. And they're like, we for sure didn't. You didn't say any of the lines in the scene. You acted crazy. Your accent doesn't match any of the accents you've done so far. And he's like, trust me, you got it. Sir, your name, your Nicholas Cage impression. You can also say Boohoo, because he did a good boohoo in here

and your question. My name is Sharik. Boo! That's great. That's very good. I wanted to know if you guys noticed that he's watching Nosferatu when he is supposedly bit by the imaginary vampire. And then later on when he's in the club, he's kind of basically taken on this whole Nosferatu, like he's got his shoulders

up. Yeah, no, he's doing the Nosferatu posture and everything. Yeah, I thought it was really kind of crazy that he was doing that and it was a weird choice that he was making. Again, that to me is Nicholas Cage. You know, that's the story in kickass is, you know, like they go, the first day that they do the scene in which he's big in the big daddy gear. Nicholas Cage does the Adam West voice and he hadn't told anybody he was gonna do it and it was like that's what I'm doing And they had to be like okay Like that's what I love he's a true Maniac it's like far scum said you never know you're gonna get right yeah

Your Enjoyed that very much myself. Sir, your name, your Nicholas K. Depression and your question. My name is Oliver. B-E-F. Great, that was awesome. All right, question. So in the same way that there's a kind of knockoff, fantastic four in the movie, is all of the movie a kind of knockoff American Psycho?

Well this is before American Psycho because you could argue that American Psycho ripped this movie off. Yeah Jay Mac and Ernie, is that who it is? I know it's Brad Easton Ellis. Brad Easton Ellis, thank you so yeah. Let's get him on the phone. It is the same reveal. Guys, let's get into this. Brett Easton Ellis, stealing it. Are you guys are in costume? This is not all right. Amazing costume here.

Did you just say that? It's very costume. They're like, no, we're not. They're very clearly in costume. They're the ambiguous the gay duo right here. Amazing, amazing costume. Awesome. Very good. All right, your name, your Nicholas Cage impression and your question. Are they really an ambiguous stand up?

Yeah. Oh yeah. They're an amazing and they're drinking red wine. You guys look amazing. Okay your name your Nicholas Cage impression and your question. My name is Liz and you P. Great. Accent. I Cage repression, and your question. My name is Liz, and U, P. Great. Accent.

I have a quick comment and a question. All right, quick. All right, so when he kills the woman in the club or not, he goes and throws up, and then he puts the vampire teeth back in his mouth, which I thought was super disgusting. I couldn't tell if he literally were like still in his mouth when he vomited or not. But my question is, did you get like a weird vibe about the

relationship between Alva and her brother? Like he calls her baby. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then he wakes up one morning and she's just kind of standing in his room next to his bed. It's very there's a a very tender love story. Something who is strange in that house. Too many adult children living in the home. Yeah, the mom's just making tons of eggs, which I don't care for. Made me trust this. That mom would kill you.

That mom would straight up kill you. All right. There we go. Yeah, all right, yes. OK, here we go. Final, all right, yes. Okay, here we go. Final question, what do we got? Um, uh, I was telling the question. This is more for like June.

Um, did you notice his date at the, the museum she had this hat that had a horse I did. In it for her hair. The hat that only covered like the circumference of her head. Yeah, yeah. It was just basically just a brim. The hat that only covered the circumference of her head. Yeah. It was just basically just a brim. But what I loved about that hat was when she walked away from him, she pulled it down and wore her head popped out of it. Okay, well this, some great questions, great job to all of you.

Obviously we had an opinion about this film, but there are other people out there that had a different opinion it is now time for second opinion Vong I really liked that movie too. I liked it even more Von to second opinion Amazing What's your name sir? Derek Gary Amazing. What's your name, sir? Derek. Derek? Derek.

Well, hold on for a second, Derek. Derek, great job. And I love that you've themed. I love that you've themed your second opinion. There you go. Great job. Thank you, Derek. Well done.

Well done. That's how it's done, you guys. That was really, really done, you got. That was really, really great. Alright, these are five star reviews, cold from Amazon. Let's get into it. Okay, this is from Bobby Sprinkles. And he simply writes, it's like watching two dogs making love.

You'll want to look away, but you can't. Or maybe you don't want to look away. Maybe you want to keep on watching and watching and watching. This movie will make you feel dirty, but it's so good. Five stars. Bobby Sprinkles. Sprinkles gets it. Nick, this is from an Amazon customer, no name here.

If there is any movie that completely and totally captures the human condition, this is it. It fully expresses the dangers of a stressful and hostile work environment, showing us the true need of a happy and stable lifestyle. Everyone who wishes to possess a deeper understanding of what it is like and how to live life needs to view this movie. You will not be disappointed. Five stars. It is a lot of this here because it goes here to Lizzy who writes this movie is terribly misunderstood

by those who have a little understanding of the human psyche. Cage portrays a narcissist who desperately seeks love but equally fears it and cannot achieve it without disassociating from reality and creating a fantasy. Actually, that's exactly right. That's, you guys, that's exactly right. That's what really happened with him and that woman with the crazy hat, is that as soon as he started to feel feelings for her, he ran away and made himself a vampire completely unlovable because he feels undeserving. That's how you feel like. That was his, like, he's just not that end-of-you moment.

It was like, no, and then he's going to go on a date with her. And then the vampire comes and takes him away. Just let it out. This is what's happened. That's right. Wow. Exactly what's happened. That's why he's in therapy because he's

trying to find that, like, a real relationship. June, I feel like we can't read any more, well I'll read one more, but yeah, all right, well we've cracked it open, Liz. That's a frontier. I thought that dog fucking guy was on, there's something, but that one is. Oh, no, no, no.

That one's very smart as well. He's literally turned himself into a vampire and someone who could not be loved. Wow, we just brought it down to kind of bring it up, if you know what I mean. Jake Kimson writes this, if you like vampire movies, you will not like this movie. My daughter's friend hated it,

but she sat through the whole thing. If you're a golf person and you like to dress up like a vampire or for some stupid reason that you think you're related to Count Dracula, you'll also hate this movie. But maybe you should watch it, because maybe you'll learn something about the way normal people view you knuckleheads. Five stars. Whoa! I love this. My daughter's friend, the vampire girl.

Yeah, she brings them this girl dress like a golf that idiot. How about- Why won't you play softball like her other sister? Knucklehead? This one was just, I feel like we can't top that one, but I'm going to read this one because it's just a weird, it's just like, we are three youngsters from a northern place in Sweden,

and we are addicted to this movie. We saw it every day for- You're writing a review together. Ah, we are three youngsters from Sweden. On northern places. On Northern place in Sweden. A Northern place in Sweden. We saw this movie almost every day for three years. But sadly, the tape died on us and completely broke.

So, Herm, we have no life now. I'm really very scared. Like, I feel very scared. Like, I feel very funny. This movie will make you puke's gut out of laughter. What is it? This movie will make you puke guts out of laughter. Well, maybe they get it like we get it.

Maybe they're like this movie's hilarious. Those VHS youngsters have sweetened. Says the mid- the middle of the sun. DVD. For the first time ever in the show, we are going to do something here before we wrap up here, just called Answers. And like Hayes said, this movie is very hard to come by.

And the DVD is even harder to come by. And there is a commentary track with Nicholas Cage. So now I will let the audience, or people on stage, we can pick one or two of these, and you'll get the full answer of why these things happen. We can hear the accent, we can hear about the bat, we can hear about the cockroach, we can hear about the mind.

How about what the movie is about? All right, great. Yeah. Here we go. what the movie is about? All right, great. Yeah. Here we go. What the movie is about? To be honest with you, Nick, when we made this film, it was complete chaos from the beginning to the end. Yeah.

Also, nobody really understands what this movie is about. Which is probably good. It's good because I understand most of what it's about and I've got interpretations of what I think some of the things are about but I wonder if we ever I don't know if we haven't really discussed it we didn't well I mean I I'm a big believer in in the ambiguous and letting it be about whatever people wanted to be about but but I always saw the movie as a story of a man who's loneliness and inability to find love literally drives him insane Right that's his interpretation. I do want to play because I know it's so good. Is that the director? Yes And the cage yeah, the director is saying this is the person who's arguably Should know exactly what the movie is about is like it was chaos I have no idea what this movie's about. Yeah, and I have some idea about what a little of it is about the rest of it

question mark Here's a great. This is one of my favorite ones. Here we go. I suppose we should talk about Here's the great, this is one of my favorite ones, here we go. I suppose we should talk about... Thanks for having me. How are we going into an altercation one day? Because it was very important to me that the bat was a real bat, and I didn't want this remote control bat. I kind of went off my rocker a little bit.

And I remember you sent your assistant out to Central Park to find a bat one night. Yeah, I was pretty nuts about getting a real bat, which of course was going to cause all sorts of problems with the animal rights people. I think I managed to persuade you by telling you that if you've got bitten by the bat, you'd die. You get raped.

Yeah. So. Ha, ha, ha. Can you imagine how it was work today? Well, Nick made me go to Central Park and try and capture a live bat. But that happened. But the resolution to that is so weird because on the screen as they're talking, they're watching a bat that looks like somebody is like waving it on the end of a stick off screen. And they're like, but it turned out great.

I'm so happy. We're so happy everything worked out. You were totally right. I had to talk you out of doing your insane thing to the thing that makes total sense and looks totally normal. And here is the explanation for the Mimes. Now this scene coming up next,

I think this is where it goes into high-towell and these people are dancing. I don't know what that's about. I don't know what I was doing. I haven't got a clue. This movie exists in an era where you could get millions of dollars to do something that you did not know what it was. People give you money to just like, I don't know, we're gonna fuck and figure it out.

And I will, Avril has cut together an amazing compilation of the best moments. It will be up on her YouTube site, the movie bitches site, you can watch the whole thing. I will leave you with this. This is just the tenuous relationship between the director and Nick Cage, and it's pretty great. It's a tit for tat relationship and here we go.

I think what happened was that I had a lot of trouble doing this shot and I needed some help from you and you refused to help me on the shot. What did I do? We didn't do anything. So it took me about ten times longer to shoot you. So all I said was like, do you mind just stepping a half a pace to the left as you read the note? And he said, I'm not moving.

This I have to keep still. I was really gonna eat raw eggs or something. I thought, no, we should make it a cockroach because I really wanna do something that would shock the audience and something they would never forget. And I saw as like a business decision because I've seen this movie in the theater

and when people see that cockroach go in my mouth, it's like the bus blowing up in speed. I mean, people go really react and it's like worth two million dollars in a special effect and all I do is eat a bug. So it's good business, but you got the shot in the first take, but because of my not moving, right? And the other scene where I'm ripping up the napkin, you just explained, you made me do it again. So I ate two bugs, but you used the first take. There was a payback for the day before. Yeah, and you got me.

It kind of makes that, like, instead of Luke Skywalker blowing up the Death Star, he should have eaten a fucking bug. It never just... It's too big. I would just go home. It's $1 million worth of a pack. Like, instead of Luke Skywalker blowing up the Death Star, he should have eaten a fucking bug. It never just, it's too much. I would just go home. I would just go home. It's too much. I would just go home.

I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home.

I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. I would just go home. Obviously, there's things we have not covered. My case rate in sunglasses, unstoppable. It just starts inexplicably wearing sunglasses in the middle of the movie because the sun's too bright.

Of course. Because he's turning into a vampire. Oh. I got some news coming up in one second. But I will say, if you feel like we haven't covered anything, you can call us at 619. P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's 619, Paul, ask. And not Paul, ask.

Now are you still answering Paul, ask? I stopped it. I stopped it because the fellow D messages were getting too explicit for me. Oh yeah and I like more of a subtle central talk and that was more more more. Oh that's too bad. Also if people call Paul ask will you answer like sensible questions about Jotoshi? I might I might consider it. Blake Harris also will get to the bottom of this. I know he is getting to the bottom of a lot of good stories, are really getting deep into dream catcher right now, and you can find his articles on Sashroom. Now, before we get into plugging,

what everyone's doing, I want to tell you guys something, and I've announced this once, but not out to the public, but I will now be sharing the screen with Mr. Nick Cage. And that is me and Nick Cage in a movie that for people listening at home, you can get right now on VOD. It's called Army of One. It's the real-life story of a man who decided to kill Osama Bin Laden. Nicholas Cage plays that guy. Majority of the movie is in Morocco with him yelling at people and with a sword. My character's

name is Pickles and I as I told June my first day, I got some cage rage and here's the scene. Oh my God. Full, full on cage rage. I'm going to move out of the way just so everybody gets to see you in these boxes right here. Yeah. My character. Yeah.

So that is some full on cage rage. You can check out Army of One directed by Larry Charles in 10 theaters or on your video demand service of choice. It makes perfect sense, but you are 2016 Maria Kinchito-Wanzo. That's Paul Sheer. Do you wear an ill-fitting bra? Some movie? You can't see it, but yeah, that's all padding in there.

And yes, in Nicholas Cage, I will say a consummate professional. Very attached to the script, and it was the best experience of my life to work and hang out next to him, which was a lot of just sitting silently next to him. Very attached to the script. I love the story about that, which is you trying improv, and it not going great. It was built to me as an improvised movie, and I learned that as long as I gave him the right queue line and didn't change anything, it could be improvised. So I could add like a hay. It was fine.

So yes, it's like, I will say there was a moment, the best moment that I will say, and I could chair and very openly, is that at one point, he told me about his knife guy. And that was the only time he has a guy that makes him knives. And I was like, that is the best Nick Cage fact that I ever know. He has a knife guy. If I had a knife goal to be gifted a knife from Nick Cage.

I really thought I was going to get one because he had talked about giving to people knives. I was like, I was waiting in the mail for this knife to come that never came. But maybe that would have been a threat. That's a heartbreaking story. I like the idea of June opening it and not knowing about this whole life back. Crazy blade. But now, he's, obviously, people can listen to your amazing podcast, Hollywood

Handbook. If you've not heard it, it's one It's one of the funniest greatest podcasts so so good. Thank you And you and you wrote on divorce which is on a divorce. Yeah Vice-principles is the next thing that's coming out season two of that next next next year Yep, awesome all great stuff June you're back anything you want to plug? You can check out Grayson Frankie on Netflix the second season and the third season is coming out pretty soon. I'm not sure when Jason I Don't have anything to plug this is be November 11th just so you know, what's that?

So November 11th just see it is right now. Yes, fuck Well people want to watch Brooklyn 999 why not watch Brooklyn 999 want to watch Brooklyn 999 why not? Watch Brooklyn 999. And I will say we're doing this from the now here this podcast festival. There's a million great podcasts we mentioned Haysus Podcasts but like there's been a lot of great podcasts at this festival. Please like go listen to more podcasts. Listen to the Gis, listen to pop culture happy hour, listen to 99% of Israel. Listen to all everything. Just like just consume podcasts everybody, but not as much as you listen to our podcasts. I know like more with a lot of podcasts. Consumant like you will consume a cooked out woman's

blood at a cool club in the 80s. That's how you get the sumant. Just get in it. A big thank you to Avril Halley for cutting together all these clips listening to everything and that amazing thriller really that opened up the show. A big thank you to Lana Waldron for these amazing stickers. Nick Kylie for all the research. July DS for everything that he does. Mercer Zites, Ear Wolf, everybody Ear Wolf,

everybody here at the now here at this festival. Amazing people here. Make sure you check out. Thank you, you guys. Thank you. Thank you for having us here. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much for great work. Good night. Good night.

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