How Did This Get Made? - Merlin: The Return LIVE!

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Don't tell June, but Drop Dead Fred himself Rik Mayall stars alongside Tia Carrere in the 2000 fantasy film Merlin: The Return. LIVE from Belfast's Ulster Hall, the HDTGM crew discuss Guinevere's too tight hair curls, the sneaky ghost skeletons, the water hose in the science lab, and what it means to have #BigMerlinEnergy. Plus, a King Arthur in the audience asks Paul a momentous question. Also... 'YER MA! HDTGM will be in Boston on June 16th & Nantucket on June 20th! Go to hdtgm.com for ticket info, merch, and more.Order Paul’s book about his childhood, Joyful Recollections of Trauma, wherever books are soldFor extra Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerHDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

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and be a true balcony monster on Father's Day. Fathers, let that balcony monster freak flag fly to find out tickets for all of this and so much more. Head to HDTGM.com. And now, our show. Mordred is back with an evil plan. And what it is? Well, I mean, we don't really know exactly. But we do know that we saw Merlin the return, so you know what that means. That's right London, here we go! Hello people of Dublin! J-Man, Big Paul and the beautiful June Gonna take you in the groove all the way to the room

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Hello people of Earth, and hello, people of Belfast! Merlin is back! Oh yeah, that's right. King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table in present-day UK. But guess what? What are they going to do? Nothing. Run?

Hide? This is a movie that primarily takes place in the woods. This is a movie that according to the research I did cost 20,000 pounds. This is a movie, and maybe the most shocking fact, that came out in 2000. If you told me 1987, I would have been like, yes, that makes sense. But no, this came out in 2000. Oh my God. We are going to break it all down. So whether you are team Merlin or team Mordred We will get to the bottom of it all but first let me introduce to you my co-host mr. Jason Manzoukas

What's up, jerks? How's it going, Belfast? That's right. Don't worry. I asked. They said I cannot play the organ back there. I said, does it work? They said, not for you. Not cool.

You can't have a big giant organ. Can everybody see the big giant organ? It's big. And I want to play it so bad. Jason Merlin, the return. Is it a movie? Good question. I genuinely feel like I fell asleep in the first five minutes and the rest of it was a fever dream.

Because multiple times I was like, don't know what's going on. This is a movie that reminded me of when I was a child and I was at my grandparents' house and they didn't have cable and you were forced to watch whatever was on. And I was like, yep, I guess I'm watching this. No. I wanted it to have commercials just to give me a break from the actual movie.

Well, what a fake out. What a fake out because I'm like, is this a kid's movie? Because if it is, it has way more incest than I'm comfortable with and And the fuck go ahead go ahead I've got a lot to say. I'm just pulling my notes out. I took notes It's you know, it's bad when all of my notes are just questions that are that are unanswered

Who is this person? Why are they here? What does this mean? Why is Tia Carrera even doing this? What is anyone's plan? It took me three quarters of the way through the movie to realize that never once are we back in Arthurian time. Nope, just an alternate direction with a very bad set decoration. Now, there is one other thing that we need to get into, and that is hair.

And we have an expert on hair and so many other things. My other co-host, June Diane Raphael! Oh my word. How are you June? I'm not okay. Now I told Jason backstage I lost my notebook with all my notes. I know. Will it matter? Nope. Don't think it will. Wait, that happened in between here and the hotel? Yeah. Wow. We went out to dinner.

We went out to dinner and it was there. It's like, we've uncovered the code. Well, so I'm going off the dome tonight just on feelings and instincts. I think you'll do fine. I think I'll do just fine. But I will say, we flew here this morning and we flew, I sat next to a couple who's coming to the show tonight.

And I always feel insane watching these movies on the plane. And I was so relieved to just sit in peace and watch Merlin. And they saw me taking notes, copious notes. I was going to say, they've got your notebook. What? There's no doubt in my mind those creeps stole your notebook. I just want to say it again to get both of your reactions. The year this movie was made was 2000.

Respectfully, no. Yeah, with all... Actually, disrespectfully, no. 87, yes all... Actually, disrespectfully, no. 87, yes, but 2,000, no. That's not possible, Paul. Maybe that's like a video release or something. This movie was shot in 1982. I was looking so deeply at it, going,

there must have been some mistake, but no, because I believe the director of this is a fan of Mike Myers. And I'm going to get into my theory. Mike Myers. Oh, Mike Myers. I'm sorry. Because Tia Carrere is in this Jews and Wains world. And at one point, Mordred does the Dr. Evil pinky to the lip and goes, my evil plan.

And I was like, is that in earnest or was he directed to do that? And I really did And I was like, is that in earnest? Or was he directed to do that? And I really did believe, I was like- Well, to be fair, he also tells someone to put a sock in it? I think not. I can't imagine that's a phrase from Mordred's time. I mean, he has- Put a sock in it? He has been living in that weird-

That sounds like something Fonzie says. Look, he's been there for 15... You said this in the intro, and I also am disputing the fact that this was made in 2000. And also, I'm disputing the idea that we weren't at one point in flashbacks. Well, I don't think they had the budget. So you're saying that all of this movie from tip to tail took place

in the same time period? No. Thank you. There was one flashback. I'm so sorry. It takes place in modernity and then an alternate dimension where all of Mordred, Lancelot and Guinevere have been for 1500 years. That's too long. That's so long. You know how many times Lancelot and Guinevere are fucking for 1,500 years. They're ageless. To me, though, that was the most interesting part of the movie.

Easily. Was that they fell out of love with each other. It's like this can't, this love does not stand the test of time. I don't think that love should stand the test of 1,500 years. You don't think that you'd with each other. It's like this can't, this love does not stand the test of chance. I don't think that love should stand the test of 1500 years. You don't think that you'd love me after 1500 years? I think we could do 1350. And then? And then after that, I think we've gone our separate ways.

We've done it all. We've done it all. But by the way, what is there to do in Mordred's dimension? It's just a cave with, I guess, a kitchen because at what point they barrel into a kitchen where people are eating bread. Where are they getting that bread? Here's that. Okay. So, that was my big question. In that dimension where they've been for 1500 years, Mordred's also done this to himself because it doesn't seem like he can leave

either. So, he has imprisoned them and they don't see any daylight but neither does he, correct? No, I think they've all been imprisoned there by Merlin. Yes. Merlin... I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, no. Yes, yes, by Merlin.

Correct. But, okay, so Merlin is not there. So who put Mordred there? Merlin. So upon your... Okay, I'm so sorry. There was one flashback. I'm so sorry. There was one flashback to the inciting incident in which Mordred and Merlin are fighting at Stonehenge.

I'm so upset. I hate this. Mordred and... Boy do I wish I wasn't saying, Mordred and Merlin were fighting at Stonehenge. I'm 51. I hate this. I will also say... I don't want to be saying these words.

Yeah. I will also say that when I was watching that fight at Stonehenge, the only flashback in the film, which comes about 30 minutes into the film, because at that point the film doesn't make sense. And then they go, hey, let's explain why it doesn't make sense here, instead of starting the movie with that scene. I would argue the movie never makes sense. I would argue...

Nor is it really interesting in giving us any exposition to help it make sense. Because every component is as if it's from a different movie. The kids are in their movie. Remember Kate and Richie? Of course I do. Can I ask you a question, June? This is a very real question. Please, please, please.

And he's right here on the back here. Does this character who plays Merlin seem familiar to you at all? Don't say it! Don't say it! Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say it. Yeah. Alright. Everybody be cool.

You watched the whole movie. Everybody be cool because I... I'm gonna give you a hint. This person has been in a movie we've done before. And in my open I did give a very big hint. No. No. No. No. Who is it? That's...

That's Rick Mayall. Absolute legend. It's Fred. That's Fred? That's Fred. That's Fred. That's Fred. That's Fred! That's Fred. That's Fred!

What? You watched the whole movie with Fred in it and you didn't even know what... That's how bad the movie is! Okay, but I have to say he was the best part of the movie. Of course he's with Mayall! I swear, I would have said that anyway. Of course he's the best! I would have said that anyway.

He's a fucking genius. He is a genius. I cannot believe I didn't recognize him. I did. There was something familiar about him. And, but I finished the movie and I wanted to erase it from my mind. So I didn't investigate further. I'm shocked. I really, this is going to take me a second. I'm absolutely stunned right now. The movie should be.

I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked.

I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. That is. I really, this is gonna take me a second. I'm absolutely stunned right now. The movie should have been Merlin and the Kids versus Everyone.

That's the only way the movie works as a movie, right? Don't give me a smattering of applause, Belfast. I'm not looking for your approval, assholes. I'm telling you facts. But, idiots, Merlin should also have a problem. He doesn't. There is, like, this is the problem with the movie, right? They have this big battle at Stonehenge.

Do you want me to read the crawl at the beginning? Well, yeah, let's pull it up right here. Oh, we can all actually. Do we have it? We do. OK, so I think I'm going to count down from three and then everybody read it together, OK? This is the pace.

Three, two, one. In ancient times, the mighty army of the evil sorcerer Mordred brought the legendary King Arthur and his knights to their knees. Lancelot's love for Arthur's wife Queen Quenivere proved fatal. Not cool, bro. desperation Merlin the wizard used his immense power to banish Mordred to the Netherworld and to consign Arthur and his knights to a long dark sleep, waiting for the moment that Mordred should attempt his escape. It actually explains quite a bit. Well, wait, but-

Reading it now, I have to admit it explains quite a bit. Well, wait, but... Reading it now, I have to admit, it explains quite a bit. I...I...I will... A lot of my questions... A lot of my questions answered. But, this is the problem with the film. When I read that three times, at the start of the film, I was looking for answers that I couldn't find,

because it's so much information. Like this one idea here where it says, Lancelot's love for Arthur's wife, Queen Guinevere proved fatal. But she's alive. No, fatal to the kingdom. Fatal through the kingdom. I think fatal to whoever wrote this.

They think she's dead. So they think they're dead. Okay, so last one. I don't know. No, but didn't Arthur, okay, now I'm gonna go back to Camelot. Great. Didn't Arthur lose,

wasn't the entire kingdom threatened because of this affair? Yes. Okay. I think that's what fatal means. Fatal. That seems like the wrong word choice. Like you could have said, brought Camelot to its knees. Not like, proved fatal means someone died.

Fatal to the, fatal to the monarchy? Fatal to Camelot. Right? Or, or something. Let's not interrogate it too much because let's be honest, this is a fucking disaster. All we need to know is, all we need to know is this. Mordred and King Arthur were battling and through a magical accident,

one gets sucked in the netherworld and we know that Lancelot and Guinevere also get sucked there and then we could say, oh, they fell in love in the meantime. And to my understanding, okay, so Lancelot, Guinevere, Mordred and the Forces of Evil get sucked into the other dimension. Yes. King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table,

his men, they all go to sleep? Well, because Merlin, Merlin puts them to sleep. Yes, where? Where are they asleep? The woods? And then Merlin, check this out, Merlin then lives for 1,500 years on Earth, right? And never gets contemporary clothing.

Never! That's my, yes, that's exactly what I was going to say, thank you. He never gets, he goes undercover with a lab coat over Merlin's robes? You know what? Who's making these robes? Here's the thing, here's the thing about Merlin. My favorite scene was when he was, My favorite scene was when he was looking through his robes. But the thing about Merlin and his performance, by the way, is that he's

the type of guy who dresses like that and you don't question it. No. He wants you to ask questions. He's like a guy walking around with a parrot on his shoulder. Absolutely. Like, oh, I don't want to talk about it. Absolutely. And you don't want to give him the satisfaction of asking him why he's wearing, like, a rope belt. And you just move along.

As a doctor, as a scientist, a doctor walking around, no, hey, man, you work here, right? What's up with the robes? But the problem is, he's in a town that seemingly has three residents Yeah, right the woman who runs the convenience store that woman's sister whose husband died Yeah, who's a new a new patron and then I guess down the road a little bit is the Psychic the medium the medium with Kate's okay if I could see an entire movie The medium with Kate's mom. Okay, if I could see an entire movie about a medium mom and a daughter and a young daughter,

to me that's a- A medium mom? A medium mom. I thought she was pretty great. Medium mom. I don't think she's just medium. What was- Medium mom and pint-sized girl.

I would watch that movie. How did this come in? How did this come in? The person I'm obsessed with. So Richie comes to this town because his father died and his mom... Which nobody is cool about at all. Everybody's like, get over it. And all Richie...

He died. He didn't take off to Hawaii. What? Richie never takes off his leather jacket, even during sleep. I love Richie never takes off his leather jacket, even during sleep. I love Richie. But I was obsessed with his mom because later on in the movie, I honestly have never seen this done in a movie, where Richie is in the big scene in the scientist lab. Richie's mom is being held hostage. And in every other movie, and that's why some things about this movie

I'm gonna tell you are advanced. There is a reading of this movie, there are moments in it where I'm like, God damn it, I have never seen anything like this. Mom comes in restrained in her nightgown and instead of saying like, Richie, run, get out of here, get out of here, she goes, help me, like, Richie, Ron, get out of here, get out of here, she goes, help me!

Help! Help me! Repeatedly. Repeatedly calls to her 11-year-old son to come help her? I've just never seen anything like that. Take him. Oh, that kid should be raised by Merlin. So much so that, like, Richie is like, I gotta kill Merlin. Like, he's ready to kill him. I think, here's the thing. I think Mordred's mom is cooler, and they fuck. Okay, there's a point in the movie where he's calling her mother, mother, mother.

Then they have a passionate makeout. Very upsetting. I was rattled. Can I just show Mordred trolling Richie? That's clip six. Mordred really, this is what I was saying, he kind of is really doing his doctor evil here. This is...

This is Craig Schaefer from A River Runs Through It. Wow. I'm so sorry, did nobody know that this is American actor Craig Schaefer? I would love to teach you about never, but I haven't the time. That's a joke, Richie. My god, don't you get anything? Time?

Never? I don't get it. Have a look at this, Richie. Mom! Mom! Look at your face now. Shall I have her killed? No, let her go, please.

Help me, please, Richie. Richie, help me, please! Let her go! Your mother's life belongs to me now. What do you want us to do? It's very simple, really. There is the Doctor Evil. What is that? That's insane. Ew. Also, this is the scene where I wrote, how does he know his name is Richie? Mortred, I believe, has never laid eyes on this kid yet. Also, where did the machete come from?

All of a sudden that security guard has a machete that looks like it was... Security guard at... A security guard at a science facility. There's a... He's not out in the middle of the jungle that he chopped his way through. He's at a portal facility. This science facility is badly operated because at a certain point there are four scientists

working in the lab. Merlin comes in and no one pays him any mind. No, because he's got glasses on and a lab coat over his robes, except out of the sleeves are cascading, I'm going to say four to five feet of straps and ribbons or whatever parts of his robes. I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Also, real question, and I mean this, why is Tia Carrera helping Mordred? Why?

It's a plan that we are not privy to. We're not privy to, but actually, first of all, I think Tia is amazing in this movie. Fantastic. She's fantastic in this. Lover is a blonde. She's always great. She really is.

So that's what, so at the end of the movie, when she's relegated to a lifetime of being raped by that guy, whoever, whatever his name is. I wrote that down too. Is that Sir Galwin? Yes, Galwin. Sir Galwin tells her, don't worry,

we're going to have lots of fun. Basically the final line of the movie is, you're gonna be raped for eternity. Get with it. But after a couple thousand years, you might come to love me. And again, I wanna, Who knows?

I wanna suggest that this movie, I believe its intended audience is children. I know. But here's the thing about Tia and what she wants. Her character wants the movie because a few times I thought, let's hear her out. Let's hear out what she wants to do with this piece of technology she's building or science. Like, we don't even get to understand what her plan is.

It's clearly incredible. She has created portals to a different dimension. Through a helmet that is under armed security, but that she can just take out for a ride at any given point. Multiple times in a day. It seems like she goes to that psychic twice in one day. I wish we could have seen the scene where it occurs to her to bring the helmet to a medium. Right?

Like, what my... Huh. I wonder if she's driving by a medium. Like, hmm. She also puts it in a giant shoe box. And I think the medium at a certain point would be like, hey, you should stop coming to me. Because if every time you come to me, you say it doesn't work,

then I think we're done here. Also, follow-up question. What's the helmet you keep putting behind me? The opening scene of this movie, I re-round this so many times because the medium has a pint-sized daughter. And the pint-sized daughter. She's like, I wrote, oh, there's a blossom in this movie? She's so sweet and wonderful.

Because she's wearing a big blossom hat at one point. Well, blossom comes in and the psychic says, oh, say hello to Tia Carrera. And she goes, you know, how are you doing? She's like, fine, thank you. And the mom's like, how rude! My rude daughter! She said, fine, thank you.

And I was like, is that like a British thing. I don't know is like it's fine Thank you like fuck you asshole But it was like I also had an issue with the ghost skeletons because the ghost skeletons were ghosts but yet they snuck around like they would be like It would be like... Isn't the whole thing of being a ghost that you can't be seen? And at points, Paul, they were looking back at each other and going... Like a SWAT team. I've never seen...

Again, there are choices in this movie that are so shocking that I had to tip my hat too. Oh yeah. Like when King Arthur and his men attack a semi truck? Oh my god! Okay. I was like, these fucking idiots. I don't know if it's King Arthur or one of the knights, but when one of them started taking a sword and jamming it into the front vent or whatever that was over and over again, I laughed so hard. It was very funny.

And by the way, the truck driver deals with this like, like it happens all the time. Unfazed. How is your route? Attacked by ancient bandits again. My favorite thing too is they bring back King Arthur, who has woken up from a slumber, and they put him in Merlin's apartment. It's a whole new world to King Arthur. He could look at anything and be amazed by it.

It's 2,000 cell phones, computers, anything. He picks up a banana. What is this inferno device? And eats it sideways with the peel on and then... You had bananas! Bananas are not the thing. Like banana is the only thing that you should recognize. Yes, fruit fruit should be universal. Yes, that room has so many things. This, the truck should blow his mind. The cars should blow, nope. Banana. Banana.

That's the whole movie, is that choice. Again, that's what makes me feel like it's for kids. You know, like that's a joke that kids would be like, oh my God, this idiot. I also thought the- By the way, my seat mates brought this up, but Merlin returned- You talked to them. Yeah, of course Don't do that. Don't encourage them. Don't encourage them to talk to us

but They asked is this a sequel? And the captain trying to figure out if it was a sequel and I did say well, yeah Where is Merlin returning from especially now knowing that he has been here for a long time. Well, the return is like all of them went to sleep and now it's their return. No, but Merlin didn't go to sleep. But Merlin didn't. He's been up. Merlin's been here the whole time.

It's like Merlin colon the return. Like it's like... So that leads to June's question, is there a Merlin? Merlin, colon, goes to Greg's. You know, like there could be like one of the... I mean, but I feel like he is like, he is... Again, he has all of his powers.

Do you think Merlin is with the medium? Do you think Merlin and the medium are a couple? Real question. First of all, I can't believe Merlin's Fred, so that's... So you know he f**ks. So that's... Everything I thought about him is different now. I mean, it seems like they would get together.

Like, they'd be in that room. Who else are they talking to in this town? Although Kate, although the little girl has to apologize to Merlin Midway because she thought he was working for the bad guys. But she just found out there were bad guys when she saw her mom possessed by the Green Goo. And immediately, Kate and Richie were like,

we gotta get in this woman's trunk and go wherever she's going. And by the way, I don't wanna- And then they fight the forces of evil with a fire hose? And oddly, the sun comes home way late. Like that kid left at two in the afternoon and is back at 1030 at night. And everybody's like, hey, Japhon! I wanna go back to Tia Carrera for one second

because when she is doing the big scientific project they go, why don't you just kill Merlin? And she's like, I'm not a murderer. But yet she is bringing back like a sociopath who is ready to kill. Because that was the thing. What is the plan? What's going on? I don't really know what she wanted to do with him.

I don't know the rules of any of it. One thing I did appreciate about that science lab is their ability to pop up wherever, whenever. Yep. They pop up that lab. It's like a good burger joint. It's like, oh my God, it's in a truck over here. Oh, did you hear the burgers? They're at Stonehenge this weekend.

Okay, I, when I saw Stonehenge in this movie, I was like, that looks weird to me. And then I googled Stonehenge. They're not in the same formation. Those rocks are different. Well, I think that these rocks are different because they were damaged by the spell at the beginning, which in our reality, this, wait, is this based on fact? Am I just now finding out that all of this happened? Is the final battle of King Arthur and Mordred at Stonehenge? No.

Somebody said yes so positively in the front and the crowds said no. No. Do we have enough? Can I get house lights for a brief second? Is there an Arthurian scholar in the house? Don't point at someone, let them volunteer themselves. Because my guess, asshole, is she doesn't want to talk, otherwise she'd raise her own hand. I don't want to put, I don't want to put the pressure on you, but can

you tell us just briefly like what this movie gets wrong, what it gets right, just kind of like, yeah, not all of it. Just a dissertation on this. All right, I'm going to hold the mic though. I have to hold the mic. And so I work at Stonehenge and I can tell you categorically that's not Stonehenge. Yeah, right, it's different. Well, I knew that wasn't Stonehenge. Yeah. Fucking cool.

So it's not Stonehenge, right? The rocks are in a different formation, and there's not even a legend that King Arthur had a battle there. No. Depends on what you read in terms of mythology, but not really, no. Okay, all right. Well, I want to know what you... All right, there's more.

Does anyone else have any more? That was great. Can you also, Paul, can you also, can you answer if, so isn't, isn't Mordred's Arthur's illegitimate son? Can anyone answer that? Oh yes, okay. So from what I recall, Arthur had an affair with Morgan Le Fay and then who was his sister, half sister, and then they had a kid who was called Mordred. So Mordred's mom that he's making out with.

How do you know this? Because I fucking read. Wait, are you guys together? Yeah, we're married. You're married? And you're just now finding out he has a lot of information? Do you want to get divorced right now? All right, well you have you have research? All right, so King Arthur is here.

Here we go. Come up here. Let everyone see you, King Arthur. He's back. Welcome, King Arthur. All right, so tell me what you know, what you know that you need to tell us about this. Some facts is that Morgana is the older half-sister of King Arthur. Okay. So... Mordred's mom. Yeah, so that's the hot goss. That's the hot goss.

That's the hot goss. Okay, so I... All right, so... So Mordred's mom. All right, go back to your seat. All right. Give it up for King Arthur! Thank you, King Arthur. We're getting very specific, but brief facts.

Brief. We need a Morgan from Dungeons and Dragons. This is interesting, because I knew Mordred was his illegitimate son. You did? I did know that. From Legend or from the movie? From Legend.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. I thought I missed it in the movie. No, it's not in the movie, but I didn't realize what I didn't know is that Mordred's mom was his half-sister. So it's a family affair. Well, I guess it's just The word illegitimate. I mean it's illegitimate in so many ways. It's it's it's wrong in so many ways but what's so interesting then is so Mordred's mom and... So, wow, okay. So Mordred is the one who outs the affair between Guinevere and Lancelot, right? Let me ask you a question about that

before we get off on this too much. What'd you think of her braids? Well, Paul, I'm so glad you asked. So at first, I thought they were braids and I was very upset. I thought they might be dreadlocks and I was chilled. Chilled to the bone. They are neither. What are they? They are and I don't know the term for them, they are just a very, very tight curl.

Yes. Long, tight, singular curl. Like tight spirals, tight little spirals. Wow. Spirals that you could put a number two pencil through. Yes. And it all stays. Oh, that's where you hide your pencils in your joints.

Now I will say I was disturbed by her chain mail, which showed her chest, which would defeat the purpose of chain mail. Yep. Well, and also I just remember her as being such a beautiful figure in this story. Well, it's hard to do your hair in the nether world, Jun. For 1,500 years?

She has one curling iron. I guess I just wanted to say, take your fingers and brush it out. Yes. Pull it out. It was really... Honestly, I felt like the director hates this woman. Yes.

And this is his way of taking something out on her. She and Lancelot are in the Netherworld with Mordred and the forces of evil, right? They are given not only free reign to go anywhere and do anything, Lancelot is allowed to have a sword. They, what, what, what? It's like a white collar prison. Yeah.

It's like where Bernie Madoff was. Like they're, they're in prison but they're doing okay. I couldn't figure that out at all. He keeps fighting guys with a sword in his hand. He keeps fighting guys with a sword in his hand. He keeps fighting guys with a sword in his hand. He keeps fighting guys with a sword in his hand. He keeps fighting guys with a sword in his hand. He keeps fighting guys with a sword in his hand.. It's like where Bernie Madoff was. Like they're... I couldn't figure that out at all. He keeps fighting guys with a sword. And at some point, mustn't somebody be like,

hey, take that fucking guy's sword away. Or, hey, why don't we chain these two up? Do they go... Do they also go down a sewer? Oh yeah. Because they go down a water slide. They for sure water slide a sewer. But that is like piss and shit slide. I feel like.

Arthur and Lancelot would have pink eye for the rest of the movie. I mean that water slide. But here's the thing, that water slide, I was so shocked by it because after seeing the whole movie, I look back on the water side and I'm like, they spent all of their money on the water side. Like there's no other sets, there's no other, of their money on the water slide. Like, there's no other set.

There's no other... That was it, the water slide. For a kids movie, I'm like, okay, yeah, of course there's a water slide in a kids movie. Do the kids get near it? Absolutely not. Also, if that's where all your money goes, you use that up in the first act. Like, I mean, they don't go down that water slide at the end. Like, the movie, like, starts to lose money exponentially as it goes on.

That's why we had to pop up our science lab at Stonehenge. Tia Carrere is writing credits on pieces of paper and just throwing them in front of the camera at the end. Like, what, again, what does she want? What could she want? She's done it. She's invented portal technology. But just to the Netherworld. Don't minimize her achievements.

I'm just saying. Paul, you know what? I think that's pretty fucking good. And I don't appreciate you trying to minimize her achievements. She's created a goddamn portal to the motherfucking Netherworld. And you're like, no big deal. Anybody could have done that. But at the same time, her achievement. She's created a goddamn portal to the motherfucking netherworld. And you're like, no big deal. Anybody done that?

But I mean, if you have a hose, you can pretty much close it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So let's talk about the hose in the science lab. So what's in there, first of all, is that water? Gotta be. Yeah, the hose. I know, but Paul, adult people, like eight adults, are taken out by a garden hose. Powerless.

Like a tiny stream of water they're taking out. Let me tell you that I worked with an animal trainer on a TV show, and he was talking about working with like orangutans. And he was like, you know, once an orangutan gets a grip on you, they're not gonna let go. That's terrifying. And the only way that you can get them off is if you spray them with water,

like in the face from a hose. He's like, so we always have to have a hose ready to fucking spray them in the face. But these are human adults, Paul. Yeah, but when you wanna close the netherworld, it works. Hoses work 90% of the time on any problem. Depressed, use a hose. Whatever your problem is, use a hose. When the kids are faith, the kids conquer both scientific portal technology and magic with a hose. Like, I want to be clear. This movie has tons

of magic being used. Magic with stabs, with hands, with forehead stuff. With little, like, tasers. Taser magic. There's a ton of genuine motherfucking magic in this

movie, plus science. And all it takes is two kids with a hose for everybody to be like, we don't know. We're done. Game over. They got us. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. I want to go out into the crowd, but I do, I do want to just, I don't have this clip, but it was one of my favorite moments. At the end of the movie, there's a big fight

and someone gets hit with a sword. It's when King Arthur throws the sword at Mordred. Excalibur. Excalibur at Mordred. Boom, he goes in him. They cut to that mom and she goes, ugh! It was the best, because it felt real. It felt like, yeah, you'd be like, ugh. Again, there are moments, I don't know if we have this clip, but we don't. I should have asked for it before. But there is a shot of Aunt Anne. And Aunt Anne had a very distressing haircut. She, when I found out they were sisters and not mother and daughter.

Oh, you didn't know that? That was her older sister. I lost my mind. Or actually, I don't know if it was her aunt. No, it was her sister. You're right, it was her older sister. That's... Or her aunt. It would have made... Generationally, it didn't add up. Yeah, it was like the parents took a real break.

Yes. A real break. Yes. A real break. She was a surprise. Or just working in the country ages you. That's possible too, working at that sundry store. Yeah, she's working at a gas station. So all those petrol fumes come in. Well, there's a shot though of Aunt Anne because she's also possessed by the skeleton ghost.

And there's a shot where she's standing behind Richie in the science lab where she's possessed that is genuinely one of the most terrifying I've ever seen in all my days. It's so real. It took my breath away. So there there are glimpses, there are portals in this movie where I'm like, I want to see that movie. I want to see Aunt Anne possessed. Yes. You know, and what she did during that time. But the movie that I did see, I didn't like.

You know, like what I was offered. I don't like it. The moment where Mordred, when they've got them all, they've captured everybody and Mordred's like, hey, Richie, I'm going to kill your mom. And that's when she says, help me, Richie. And instead of being a fucking adult about it and being like, run, get out of here. And he's like, you've got to kill Merlin. And she's like, you better kill Merlin.

This is some real Voldemort Draco Malfoy shit right here. This is some real, I believe J.K. Rowling watched this movie and was like, I got it, I'm going to do this one better. All right, I'm going to go to the audience here for questions, don't worry King Arthur, I'll get to you. I'm going to cap off the end of this with you. All right, so you have a question? Okay, what's your name?

Cahill. All right, and what's your question? How come Lancelot sacrifices himself over and over again, but it's fine? Yeah, just because nobody dies in the movie. They couldn't afford to have another person in the movie. No, I feel like in a kid's movie way, nobody really dies except the bad guy.

I think that they are all immortal. I mean, he's lived for 1500 years, right? So I feel like when he comes to Earth at the end, oh no, then that wouldn't make sense either. But he says he's going to stay behind. So maybe he'll live a mortal life now going forward. But then he would have gotten killed though when he had the battle on Earth. I don't remember. And frankly, I don't remember. I don't remember. And frankly, I don't care. And sir, sir, you shouldn't care either. All right, your name and your question.

Think about it. If your hand is raised, think about it. Like, do you care about the answer? Your name and your question. What do you need to hear? All right, your name? Carl. Carl, what's your question?

June mentioned this might be a sequel to something. so if you were to replace one of the kids with Phoebe Cates, could this be pitched as a sequel to Drop Dead Fred? Ooh, great question. Did Merlin even exist? Was this just a way for a boy and a girl to hide away and maybe find each other? Are these, are all of these characters the imaginary friends of Kate and Richie? I'd love it. All right, your name? Rose.

And your question? I just wanted to say that most of the questions could have been answered here with, you're ma. Most of the questions could be answered with, you're ma? Yeah, so why does Lancelot not die? Your ma. Your ma. What's Tia Carrera's plan?

Your ma. You're dangerously close to a t-shirt right here. What year was this made in? Your ma. Your ma. All right. Yes, your name? Matt.

And your question. So at the end of the film, Guinevere gives the kids her wedding ring and kind of winks at them suggestively. Do you think they get married and or divorced? Yeah, I didn't like that. Richie gets knighted and Kate gets a wedding ring. And it was very distressing. I also though, but what I did like about that moment is that she was very clear, like I'm going to go back with Arthur as a queen and

here's my wedding ring. It was like, Oh wow, this is an interesting take on marriage. Like I'm taking the title. They're, but they're for sure open. They are Polly. None of the responsibility. They are now Polly. And this ring ain't no thing. At the very end, I was going to say, just to piggyback on the end, sorry, before when the ring gets done and the kid gets knighted,

I'm pretty sure this is right. When King Arthur says, we're going to go back to the other dimension, he says, besides, there's a whole new dimension out there to conquer? Yeah. Don't love it, my guy. I don't love it. Like, be cool, bro. He's basically a Mordred. Everybody's a villain. Everybody's like, got to conquer. Must take control. And then he just turns to the kid and is like, Neil.

Didn't love that either from my guy Arthur. I am in the balcony. Be careful, Paul. Alright. Alright, I'm in the balcony. I want to talk to some balcony monsters here. Oh, nice bottle of wine. I like that they sell a full bottle of wine here.

Are you kidding? Those people snuck it in. They're in the balcony. There's no way the balcony is buying full bottles of wine at the bar here. I heard they stole it from the people downstairs while they were asking questions. All right. So what's your name? What's your question? Brian. As a moment of observation, we wondered, you talked about Tia Carrera's motivation and her grand plan. We wondered if it was a social commentary on the bureaucracy of having to fill out paperwork for a scientific grant. Because it's easier to bring back someone, a 15 year old wizard, than actually fill out paperwork

to do scientific research. All right, so this is from a science perspective that he's... Is he a scientist? Are you a scientist? All right, he... Wait, well, let me... A doctor of philosophy? He's a doctor of philosophy.

Get the fuck out of this show, idiot. You're a doctor of philosophy and you're in the balcony? Shame on you. Of course he is. Alright, so now your name and your question. My name's Suzanne. My question is, we've already said that it's not Stonehenge. It definitely didn't look like England either.

Where was it filmed? South Africa. That I know. I know that for true. All right, let me go here. I'm gonna go over here. Yeah, okay, sir. Oh my gosh, six beer cans! All right, all right. A.C. how you doing? It's okay, I applaud you.

I love that six beer cans gets an applause break. And they're lined up perfectly. And a lot of people down here are like, pussy. I love it. I love that six beer cans gets an applause break. And they're lined up perfectly. And a lot of people down here are like, pussy. Alright, your name? My name's Eamon. I'd like to say a big shout out to Matt, Mucka Rice, who doesn't do the sound. Oh yeah, there you go. I love Matt. You said earlier on about The Return. Have you seen the Sam Neill Merlin miniseries?

It was like two episodes. It's a brilliant show. It's two episodes and they call it a miniseries? It was a hallmark kind of thing. From how long ago, roughly? 1998. So this film is a stinky bitch because it was called Merlin the Return and people thought it was a follow-up

to that which was amazing and Rude Ga'har was in it and lots of people but it wasn't it's a piece of shit. Wow. You are hypothesizing this is on the trail of a Hallmark movie with Sam Neill. Wait I'm sorry okay so Fred was not in that one. I don't know. Maybe. Fred shows up. He said Fred. Wait, does everybody know the Sam Neill movie? It's huge. But it's good. But it's good. It's not bad. It's great.

It's alright. Double thumbs up. Okay. Wow. Honestly, he did so well for Six Beers Inn. I just didn't like what I'd never know. Not for nothing. Maybe the best point of the night. Maybe the most information given tonight.

And all I have to say to you is, you're ma. All right. We do have our King Arthur to bring us home. King Arthur, you have pages of notes. I see... I can't believe nobody else came in costume. Cowards. Cowards, Belfast. of notes I see I can't believe nobody else came in costume cowards all right words like Belfast so what's your name and what's your best question okay you're

a doctor too of what everyone a doctor here of what a doctor of science wait are you doctor of science baby which might... She said I'm a Doctor of Science baby, which might be a shirt. I'm a Doctor of Science baby? That's a pretty good shirt. Dot dot dot, your ma. I'm a Doctor your ma. I'm a Doctor of Science baby, dot dot dot, your ma! Exclamation point.

I think it's I'm a doctor of dot dot dot your mom. That's pretty good too. That's pretty good too. OK. What do you got for us, Doc? I do have a question. But first, I just want to say that today is one of the best days of my life.

I dream of coming to this podcast, a live show. I'm sorry. And so I love you June. I'm a woman of significance. I love you Jason. I love you Paul. I love you Belfast. We love you and now you've set yourself, oh geez.

Yeah, you're gonna get a question. You're gonna get one, don't worry, don't worry. I'm just saying that you set yourself up that this question better be good Like really it's gotta be good. All right, here we go. It's a question for you Paul for me. Geez Did the character of Mordred resonate with you when he kissed his mother on the mouth? There she is! Yes! Yes! Wow! Nailed it!

You did it! You did it! You did it! Wow! What was her name? What was your name? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You did it. You did it. Wow. What was your name? What was your name? What's your name? Michelle. Incredible job, Michelle. Wow. Holy shit. Dr. Michelle, holy moly.

Best question of the tour. So much build up, so much anticipation. I'm done. I didn't even know what to do. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done.

I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done, so much anticipation. I didn't think you could do it and you did it with, it blew my mind. That was amazing. Wow. Wow. She's been sitting on that the whole show. And you must have been, that's why she wanted to go first because she was nervous

somebody else was going to say it. And then boom, that's what a doctor of science does. Yep. My. Holy shit. That's what a doctor of romance. After the show, you better be taking pictures with her. Don't come to us. I had a feeling it was going to be good.

All right, so the one person who decided to sing a second opinion, you can come on down. One person, that's it. We have one here in Belfast. Okay. I want to say something. It's her husband. Can we get some house lights up?

The guy who's gonna sing a song just gave a tender kiss to Michelle. Well, they are married, not just a- They're together. Oh man Belfast you're breaking my heart. Well obviously wow we've had a lot of opinions here tonight makes me want to watch the Sam Neill movie Merlin the or sorry miniseries but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Alright, I'm Sören.

I'm the husband of the amazing Michele, as you already know. When you've got Arthur and Lancelot and Merlin, yay, in present day, this does sound like a good old fun fine romp. But when you do not have a script, the king's mustache has not been clipped, then this production is doomed to bomb. Lantern jackets are showing on connectors're Wondering where this is going Like Tia's career Color grading is more

Missed than hit, all the VFX Just look like shit Modred and his minions Can't help to stop us from hearing Second opinions Second opinions, oh yeah Alright, give it up! Yes! Wonderful! Second opinions. Oh, yeah

Great job, you go back to that's right wonderful That's right Belfast there are heroes among you They live together They're gonna fuck so hard tonight You're hugging this This is... Yeah! Michelle's like, yeah! There's just nothing sexier than a man introducing himself in relation to a woman. Yes!

I loved it. I loved it. A woman dressed as King Arthur. That's right. From this movie. I loved it. A doctor of science, baby, who's dressed as King Arthur from this movie. A doctor of science, baby, who's dressed as King Arthur from this movie.

I hope they fuck with the outfit on. You know, it's truly like, it is big Merlin energy she's bringing. It's like. That BME, that big Merlin energy. Holy shit. I wish you made your husband paint his forehead with whatever Merlin had on there, like that little triangle. Yeah.

Wow. All right. I will say the interesting thing about this was the art director of this film. And maybe knowing that the budget was only £20,000, the art director of this film did win the Directors Guild Award for Best Art Direction on No Time to Die, the James Bond movie, and was nominated for Wonder Woman and for The Batman with Robert Pattinson. Oh, so recent nomi- okay. Yeah, so this, this person- Well, this was probably the beginning, I mean this is like 20 some odd years ago.

Well, if you... He made it... He made the woods look good. There we go. He made the woods look good and he made Stonehenge look like Stonehenge? Stonehenge surrounded by forest. Is that true, Stonehenge expert? Nope.

Okay. There are 152 reviews on Amazon. Not that many. 49% are five star. That's pretty low. Joanne Klonowski writes, This is for Merlin fans first of all. And we see things different. Watching this, I felt jealous

that I could not have starred in it. Lighten up people, it's fun. You should be watching Archie Bunker, LOL. Five stars. You should be watching Archie Bunker, LOL. Five stars. A few different avenues that they went down there. Why, yes. Whoa.

I felt jealous that I could not have starred in it. And you should all be watching Archie Bunker? I think- The crazy thing about the first line is like, it implies that this reviewer has starred in other movies Or auditioned for this movie or I mean I was gonna I Mean, maybe this movie made Joanne Klonowski want to be an actor Wow, we'll never know. Yeah

Thomas B writes in his title. This is not a movie. I don't disagree. I'm with him so far. And continues by saying it's an experience. Guess that's true. It's from a time. I've never known in a place. I've never been in a life. I'll never live.

Watch it with your family. That's poetic. Your friends, watch it alone. There's no better way to spend a day. Five stars. Wow. Wow. There is a loneliness epidemic.

Yeah. I can think of so many better ways to spend the day. At 89 minutes. While watching this today, I was like, there's so much I'd rather be doing. At 89 minutes, you can still enjoy the day. I mean, really, you can put that on and get that, you can get out of the house pretty early.

What I do like about this is it goes, it's from a time I've never known, yet it is from the year 2000. They are primarily in the year – Quite a bit of it is from modern times. And then we go to this one, which I really enjoyed, from Snorpson. Snorpson? Snorpson? Snorpson. Snorpson. Snorpson. So the son of Snorp? Etymologically speaking. I love the Smurfs, I love the Snorks, and Um, fucking amazing movie. The wife and kids hate it, but I don't know why.

It's my favorite movie right now. He wrote this in 2022. Only one minus star because there were no kittens. I want to say, are you done? No. Please go. Truly, my favorite thing is the, in all caps, hard core male friendships. Then in all caps I wear the same tighty-whities as Merlin. What the fuck was that ending though? Why would Gawain say that? Unsettling. I will force my family to re-watch this movie until the day I die. Five stars. Holy shit! What's crazy about that, what's crazy about that is it's insane on every level and yet someone loves Snorpsen

enough to marry him and carry his children. Like this person has a family. What? What am I doing wrong? I do love the idea of hardcore male friendships. I love it. I don't know what friendships. Ugh! I love it. That's, that's... I don't know what it means, but I love it.

But it's important to snorps in. It's so important. And who are the hardcore male friendships in this movie? Lancelot and Arthur? No. Well, I mean, they come, they come back to being friends. Hardcore male friends. Merlin and the boy.

They have to have a sword fight first. Yuma. It's pretty, thank you for that by the way. It's really a great tag. Alright I will say the one thing that is right about this movie, no one brought this up. This is one of the few live action productions based on Arthurian legend, which the actor portraying Merlin is younger than the actor playing King Arthur.

Actor playing Merlin. So I think that Merlin is, I think they often cast Merlin as an old wizard. Yeah, Merlin is kind of like the Gandalf of those stories. So much so that he even has to find his pipe in this. Well, but... But when you cast Fred, you... I mean, he's timeless. He's ageless.

Did Merlin know? Also, Merlin... I mean, maybe, maybe,'ll give you that people in the netherworld don't age because it's a different dimension, but Merlin is here on earth for 1500 years and does not age one second. Is that just magic? Sure. It's your ma.

It's your ma. We've empowered you too much. We've given you a weapon that is too good. It's that... Your ma is like the excalibur of this show. You pulled it from a rock, ma'am. Alright, would you recommend this movie? Who?

Now I'll ask the audience first, would you recommend anyone watching this movie who's listening to the podcast? No! I'm hearing no. Anyone that would? The guy up there? Like maybe six people. Maybe six fucking idiots. And one of them is the guy who drinks six beers.

Now, Jason June, I want to hear your opinion, but I also want you to know that I may have a very big surprise for you. But here we go. It was tough. It was very tough. I will say it was a tough watch. I was confounded and confused throughout. For the podcast, sure, watch it. Do you need to?

Absolutely not, because it's straight nuts. Yeah. it's straight nuts. Yeah, I guess if you're gonna watch it, like be doing something else, you know, fold your laundry, do a crossword, like don't go head on with this thing. Don't take it on like a one on one. Yeah, it's not safe to consume it that way. But it is something, here's what I'll say, it's something to see. It's a movie. Is it? I am gonna say this, controversial opinion, but sticking with who I am as a person,

while I thought Merlin was good, it was Mordred's movie. It is Team Mordred. Wow. I am Team Mordred more Mordred. Wow that's a real heel turn for you. I love that. That's interesting, Pom. I'm not I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. Is it because he made out with his mom? And is it because he made out with his mom? Thank you Belfast! Give it up for Jason! Give it up for June! Give it up for Paul Scheer! Thank you so much Belfast! Once again give it up for your hometown, Matthew Rice! Beth Thomas our stage manager, thank you so much. And that concludes our first ever show in Belfast. Thanks so much to everyone who came out to see us live,

the staff at Ulster Hall, our tour manager, Beth Thomas, and our recording engineer, Matt Rice. All right, people, we have a great t-shirt here, but you know what? I also wanna tell you about a great book that I wrote, a New York Times bestselling book, thanks to you. Joyful recollections of trauma is now available Canada, UK, all across the United States, you can get it, uh, anywhere that you get your books and your audio

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