How Did This Get Made? - My Boyfriend's Back LIVE!

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Brace yourselves, 'cause Paul, June, and Jason are covering the "choice" 1993 teen horror rom-com My Boyfriend's Back starring Andrew Lowery, Traci Lind, and Matthew Fox. LIVE from Largo in L.A. they ...discuss Philip Seymour Hoffman's brilliantly unhinged performance, how Johnny Dingle is a straight up creepo, if Missy is horny for dead bodies, and so much more. Plus, Paul drops SEVERAL new wild childhood stories and reveals an unexpected historical connection to the movie that leaves everyone speechless.   • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What if a creepy stalker got a second chance to be a creep? We saw my boyfriend's back, so you know what that means? Now it's time. That is creepy? What's the naked world baby in his belly? Like a wild snow vest while ripping Justin and Kelly. Or maybe see a burl that show with it crow. And take a focus speed to hitting croops control.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Big Paul and the beautiful dream gonna take you from the crew all the way with you wrong rain against the street body hope to blow off steam just a sucker punch the odd life for typically gray shot meals flurred dimick how you stand alive
Starting point is 00:00:42 they call me a bad ass and he's on the line cranking 88 minutes because they cool as high cause a bad Jim Farnie looking kind nice Paulin June getting literal Jason is getting laid
Starting point is 00:00:53 June is making sure all the monkey shots getting paid There's a bunch of movies while they're making the grade Here's a real question for you Hello people of Earth and hello people of Los Angeles. We are live at Largo for our Halloween special
Starting point is 00:01:14 The hauntingly scary. My boyfriend's back. My boyfriend's back. Directed by the same person who wrote Gosford Park. That's right, Bob Balaban. Bob Balaban. Phoebe's dad from friends. Bob Balaban, the man who played Warren Littlefield on Seinfeld.
Starting point is 00:01:43 Bob Balaban made this movie. And boy, oh boy, I think it saves it. I think that in other people's hands, it would have been worse. But it's also not great. now if you're wondering what is my boyfriend's back at what somebody's boyfriend comes back well no um iMdb describes this film as a teenage boy comes back from the dead because he is determined to win the most beautiful girl in the school okay sure i guess that's kind of like you know you're you're kind of burying some parts of the story in there whitewashing it if you will
Starting point is 00:02:28 Um, we're going to get into it. We're going to get into this film that is not even an hour and 30 minutes. A movie that has a 13% on the tomato meter. A movie that cost 12 million. And on opening weekend, made 1.4. Oh, yes. There is so much to discuss in tonight's film, but I need my co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Manzoukis.
Starting point is 00:03:07 What's up, jerks? Let's go, Largo! Yeah! Oh, boy, Paul. I'm going to answer your last question first. I 100% recommend this movie. There it is. There it is.
Starting point is 00:03:25 Maybe it's just the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, harsh reality of John Carpenter's The Ghosts of Mars last night? Sure. This today was like a warm bath. I... 100% agree. Here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:03:41 I'll answer the last question first as well. I also recommend it. I don't know if I liked it. Oh, I thought it was great. I had that thing happen that every once in a while happens with the movies that we do, which is I found myself not taking it.
Starting point is 00:03:58 taking notes, just enjoying the movie. Every now and then. Every now and then I get sucked in and I'm like, Austin Pendleton? Okay. And then I look and I haven't made a note in like 10 minutes. Well, I felt the same way.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I feel the same way I feel like if I was watching a child do, you know, a play at school. What are you watching a child do? A play at school? Okay. I have children. I'm not going and watching other people's children.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Please let me meet them. No. No. Let me meet your kids. Someday I'm going to meet your kids and someday I'm going to meet your wife. No. Neither.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Jason, you are better at this than most. What year do you think this movie came out? Boy, oh boy. I'm going to say this movie came out in 1987. Great. Great guess. We'll hold the answer on that for just a second. God. God, I fucked up with this last night.
Starting point is 00:04:58 too. And let me introduce to you, my other co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Miss June, Diane Raphiel. Nice to meet you. Welcome, June. How are you? I'm okay. How are you, Paul? I'm well. I'm well. June,
Starting point is 00:05:24 well, because we started the episode answering the last question first. Do you recommend? amend this movie? I don't know why we're doing this. I don't either. I'm happy to talk about it. What are we going to do next? Teen Wolf? Yeah, it doesn't. Another fucking classic. Great movie. Why didn't I see this movie sooner? Yes. Where has it been?
Starting point is 00:05:41 My life would be so much different if I'd seen this movie. And why are honestly, why aren't we making more movies like this? Yes. How is there not teen movies now that aren't about like, oh no, twin brothers both want to fuck me or whatever all of these teen shows are. There's multiple teen shows in which brothers are battling it out.
Starting point is 00:06:07 All I'm saying is if this was the final season of euphoria, I'd be thrilled. I just like a strong comedic premise where everybody knows what world they're in and the joke, I gotta say, now maybe I'm in a weird mental
Starting point is 00:06:25 space, you know? but I have to say the jokes never got old to me. Every time someone said it. Every time you wanted to take a bite out of someone, I was like, yes! I got some, I have some small notes, but before we even get into that, June,
Starting point is 00:06:43 I want to ask you this question. I know you hate being put on the spot. But what year do you think this movie came out? This movie came... Well, I'm just going to base this on Philip Seymour Hoffman's career. And I believe there's also... there's a cameo from Matthew McConaughey. I mean, he has two lines in the movie.
Starting point is 00:07:04 Also, cut out, Renee Zellweger. She's in the beauty salon scene. No lines. My guess is this movie shot in Texas? Yes. Okay, that makes sense because those are all local hires. Yes. June, what year?
Starting point is 00:07:19 Okay, so putting that together, carry the one. I'm going to say this movie came out in 1988? Great. And Jason, you said? I believe I said 87. And the year is? No.
Starting point is 00:07:34 1999. Ninety three. How? 1993. No, wait. Was it shot in 1987? Here's the language on a shelf. Jason, what I'm really, I'm actually worried.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I'm worried because I do believe you and I have lost a decade of our lives. I believe we may suffer from time blindness. I will say that this year, 1993, was peak ZomCom time, because these are the other movies in 93 that came out. Zombie Blood Bath, Weekend at Bernie's 2, Return of the Living Dead 3, Ghost Brigade, Ed? Ghost Brigade. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Ed and his dead mother. But it's a zombie movie called Ghost Brigade? Well, I guess maybe they run into zombies, too. I'm so curious. I've got to do Ghost Brigade. I'm ready for it. I think that's clear. So, yeah, different. It definitely hit differently in 1993.
Starting point is 00:08:33 I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure we don't know, but some nerd will tell me. What year did Teen Wolf come out? Teen Wolf came out the year before Back to the Future, because he shot that first. So Back to the Future is 85. This is the 40th anniversary. Because this movie seems like it's basically Teen Wolf,
Starting point is 00:08:49 but what if instead of the puberty allegory being we'rewolfism, it is zombieism, right? Yeah. It's still a lot of the same games are being played. Everybody's normalizing his zombie immediately. But I also feel like Teen Wolf, I mean, dare I say a better film. A movie that I also... He said it.
Starting point is 00:09:09 I can't believe he said it. I can't believe he said it's a... Teen Wolf was a better film. Pretty good. I will say that, well, I mean, this is going to be weird and you're not... Why? Well, what do I have to hide? Say it.
Starting point is 00:09:23 When I watched Teen Wolf as a child, I had it on. VHS because I taped it off of whatever. It was illegal. I wasn't doing it illegally. And there was a moment where he was like getting intimate with his girlfriend, Michael J. Fox. And he said tickle my paws.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Like it was like that was like a thing like tickle my paws like he's like you know sexual thing. But I thought that was the cue to the home viewing audience to hit pause to potentially see some nudity. You thought that? up yourself?
Starting point is 00:09:58 You invent... So you thought that maybe movies were giving you subtle clues? Have this worked before? So in my mind I never heard the line so clearly.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I never heard tickle my paws. I just kind of heard like... In my mind I might have heard like hit pause. And I was like... And I thought I would see... And your mind immediately went to. If I hit it, I get to see nudity.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Because I knew it was like a sexy scene. I was like, oh, maybe they would shoot like an insert. Holy shit. That's awesome. I've never shared that with anyone. But it's the only thing that comes. But it's, it's that you, did you want to announce the next book? I know, it's a single word.
Starting point is 00:10:44 So you thought, like, were you always looking for your lead actors and protagonists to speak to you the, the viewer? I understand, I completely understand the overwhelming. desire to see nudity. Yes. I didn't have that. And that you're looking for any way that it might be able to happen. That's why you would watch a scrambled cable channel. A hundred percent. And play
Starting point is 00:11:08 with that dial. Exactly. Every 10 minutes you get 30 seconds of a boob or something. But thinking that the movie was telling you hip pause. Hip pause. It was PG. Well, obviously I mean, did you see anything? Was it
Starting point is 00:11:24 speaking to you? No, because I thought I wasn't hitting it at the right time. How long did you spend? A lot. I would be like, maybe... No. No. And then many years later, I found that the line was, tickle my pause. I was like,
Starting point is 00:11:40 ah, he wasn't saying, please hit pause. I mean, this is... I'll tell you two things of why I thought that could work. Number one. First piece of evidence. When I was a child, there was a clue, VHS. game. Okay, so
Starting point is 00:11:57 you would put the VHS tape in there and you would play the board game and they're like, fast forward to minute 2, 7, 7, and you're like, that's not a thing that could exist. 2,4,7 and I'd do it, and you'd watch something like, oh, good job there, mate, you did the thing, and they're like, oh, great. So I thought, okay,
Starting point is 00:12:14 maybe all VHS... Who's that? Colonel Mustard. Who's the least Darby of this game? Like Jumanji. So I thought there was like, you know, I was like, I... Okay, so you had been primed. to, yeah. Right, and then
Starting point is 00:12:28 to be an interactive viewer. From a clue VHS video game. This is a movie he taped himself off of cable. All right. I'm going to give you the two other... You're trying too hard to get this, okay? To normalize this behavior. I'm going to give you the two other things.
Starting point is 00:12:47 The other thing was that my parents were at a certain point born again Christians and they were like, there's a lot of backward masking on albums. Like, you know, so, you know, you play it backward. Salute the devil, you know, not salute. But, you know, you get it. Because he's the commander-in-chief, so you got to.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Oh, hail. Salute the devil. Salute the devil. Oh, hail the devil. He keeps his horns a clean. I'd love to know what song. in reverse plays Hail to the Chief
Starting point is 00:13:28 and has the lyrics salute the devil holy cow holy shit these how are these new stories how is it possible there are new stories so then
Starting point is 00:13:45 we will stop here's my here's what I my promise to you the audience we won't stop this podcast until Paul runs out of childhood stories.
Starting point is 00:13:55 It's not movies. It's not even our desire to do it anymore. It's so that we can get these stories to you so that we can do things that provoke Paul's memory. Well, that was what a lot of people said about my book. They're like, wow, you didn't even share the stories
Starting point is 00:14:12 that you share in the podcast. We thought it would just be the stories from the podcast, but no. I forgot those, but I'm just telling new ones. And then the final thing that made me think that there could be this. Wait, what? There was a kid in my class. I believe his name was Brian Orlando.
Starting point is 00:14:29 And Brian Orlando told me that his dad had a device that was like a remote control. So if you were watching like a shampoo commercial with an attractive woman in it, you could take the device and then put the joystick down and then see naked people in the commercial. Naked people. That woman naked or just other naked people? Okay. So it would be like. I need to get in touch with Brian Orlando
Starting point is 00:14:55 because, and hear me out, if this tech exists and I'm only just hearing about it. Okay, okay, Orlando. So just so you know, I'm coming in hot with a remote control device, clue the video game, and backward masking. I thought that Teen Wolf, because it was a PG-13 movie, was sending me a little. signal to see boof
Starting point is 00:15:24 naked. Wow. Wow. Tickle all that from tickle my paws. We got all of that from tickle my paws. Well, I didn't want you to think I was a weirdo pervert. We do. We do think that anyway. It seems pretty...
Starting point is 00:15:42 They say now boys like see pornography by the age of 10 and it's so disturbing but then I'm like, I don't know. Maybe it's better. It doesn't matter. At least they get to see it. I think of the hours they're not spending doing whatever this nonsense was. You could have learned to play guitar. Nope.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Just trying to see. Maybe just show it to them, you know. By the way, I will say that scene where he says... These are boobs. Don't waste your time. They'll be there later. I will say that that scene where she is saying tickle my paws, they're fully dressed in a high school hallway.
Starting point is 00:16:17 So it would have to be like a real insert shot. You must have lived in a world in which hitting pause on anything might reveal nudity. True. And what's really like, I mean, what's actually breaking my heart is the moment you must have realized like it's not there. No, like it's just not fair. I'll be honest, I don't know that he's given up hope. He still seems to think he just didn't pause it in the right place. place. Well, now I got
Starting point is 00:16:52 the 4K steel book, and now I think I can get to the bottom of it. You don't even want to know how I dealt with... Like, I, when I finally got my hands on a Playboy magazine, I was so nervous that I was going to get busted, that
Starting point is 00:17:08 I cut out the pictures that I thought were choice. Were choice? I want to be very clear. That's a word I guarantee Paul has not used since he was a teenager. True. That's not a word
Starting point is 00:17:25 we use anymore to describe hot women. As a matter of fact... Oh, she's choice. As a matter of fact, I think it's the term they used in Teen Wolf. Is it? I think it is. I think Stiles uses it. Holy shit. So I cut out these pictures
Starting point is 00:17:40 and then I was like, I can never get busted with this. Again, a new story is being... Do you know how lucky you are to be here tonight? Oh my God. Do you mean you cut them out like in a square or like did you cut out the lives? Such a good question. So for a collage or for just
Starting point is 00:17:56 pages? So great question, great question. Great question. Wow. Those legs are spread. I cut them out to be slightly smaller than a magazine page. So I was cropping
Starting point is 00:18:14 slightly. Why not just rip it out? Well, hold on. I'll tell you, June. and then I got an old like hunting and fishing magazine and then I inserted those nude pages throughout. So did you own the hunting and fishing magazine? Or did you go and buy that specifically for subterfugees? Well, I had like, there were a collection of hunting and fishing magazines in my house.
Starting point is 00:18:45 How old were you at this point? Guess. I mean, guess to me? Like fifth grade. Okay, okay, okay. And so then I would keep that in, like, my magazine rack in my room that was next to my lazy boy. I did have a lazy boy in my room. And...
Starting point is 00:19:01 Just, you were a real... You were a real Martin Crane as a child. So it was next to my lazy boy. And so then I knew that I could keep it there. No one was ever going to look at this old hunting. thing in fishing magazine that outdated info. So if I wanted
Starting point is 00:19:24 to look at it, I could, you know, go to page 35, 72, you know, I could move around and I'd have my pictures locked in there. Wow. Wow. This is next level. Wow. Yeah. This is incredible stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:41 But that just, I just do, because we do have younger listeners. Yes. That, these are the lengths that we had to go to in effort to see nudity and be titillated. We couldn't just be like, look at any random thing online. No, I had to make sure I was cutting and pasting and using, you know, glue.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Did you try to integrate these choice women into the, like, hunting and fishing tabloes at all? Or was it just, like, the page on the page? Yeah. It was, unfortunately, it was not that thought out. I just kind of, I found areas where I felt like, you know, maybe the reader would be done with that story and then I would pop that out of it. Got it. So, yeah, because I wouldn't, I would never want someone to find it and be like, oh, what is going on in the world of hunting and fishing and fishing.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And so, yeah, so I did take that, that hunting and fishing magazine upstairs because I thought that no one was, really, I was worried about my mom was going to find it. I don't think my mom's going to get not hunting. And never, you were never, your secret was never revealed. No. Okay. She only got mad at me once for seeing that I took a Victoria Secrets catalog up to my room before it got to like the kitchen mail slot. It went straight into the hunting and fishing. Yeah, I brought it up. It's like, don't worry. I only cut out El McPherson. She's the most choice woman in this Victoria Secret. Oh, no, that was me. That was the swimsuit. Yeah, the swimsuit. I also, yeah. Yeah, of course. Holy cow.
Starting point is 00:21:17 We did it. Is the show over? I don't know what else to say. I feel like I went into a fugue state about one hour ago. Wow. So what I'll say about this movie is the title is misleading. The title is a little bit misleading. My boyfriend's back.
Starting point is 00:21:40 He is not her boyfriend. I would say, and this is the thing that bothers me. Like, I am on board for this movie, but he is a straight-up creepo. Yes, I actually, yes, you're right. I wish, my only problem with it was that I wish they had let go of this idea of her believing he actually died for her. Because he didn't, yes, he died throwing himself in front of, you know, that bullet. But he didn't believe at that point that that was a real scenario. because he had staged it.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Right. And that, I want to go back one step and go, he is a creep. He staged a robbery? He knew it at that point, but he had already staged. He sees his friend being like, no, no, it's not me. I know, but he had still staged a... Sure.
Starting point is 00:22:33 And I just found it troubling that she never seemed to know that he had staged this really scary event for her. Yeah, that kind of gets pushed under the rug. And it's a weird thing because... You're saying scary event, and I would say romantic event. Okay, so that's a different. And in 1987, when this movie was made, this was the height of romance. But I'm like, sweetie, don't feel so badly for him.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Like, he would never have even been there. I guess she would be dead. But, like, I don't know, actually. I don't think that guy would have taken his gun out. I think he hadn't been there. Can I tell you why she would have been dead? Because she's reaching behind her to get like a bat. This man has a gun.
Starting point is 00:23:17 That bad ain't going to do anything. Just give the money. Give the money. Give the money. And you guys can keep chatting when this person leaves. I mean, and I will say that, again, I want to talk about the creepiness of our lead, right? Our lead, Andrew, sorry, our lead. Johnny Dingle.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Don't even, you need to look at the papers. I can tell you Johnny Dingle right now. Johnny Dingle. You know what it was heartbreaking to me? Johnny Dingle dies a virgin twice. Heartbreak. But, you know, this is what I sort of, I miss the, I know. The virginity movie?
Starting point is 00:23:51 Well, sorry, sorry. I miss the days in which teenagers were 37. Yes. Like that, I really miss the Andrew Zucker's, like, I missed the, like, I missed the, the old, the old teens. Yeah, the old teens. And that's what I did find comforting. The old teens. I really do.
Starting point is 00:24:12 I found it so comforting watching this movie. He was 23. Johnny Dingell was the same age, if not older, than her dad. Johnny Dingell, Johnny Dingle 23, the woman, 25. Yeah. As all teen movies should be. Yeah, agreed. But when he wakes up out of bed, I was like, oh, because it starts with him as a child,
Starting point is 00:24:37 and he's lusting after this girl. He's not lusting, he's in love with her. Well, she doesn't seem to even talk. Is it a Halloween birthday party? I don't know. He's wearing a fireman's hat, but that just means. Everyone else is in costume. The birthday girl is not.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Yeah. I think that was just her wish to see everyone else in a different professional uniform. And why? They were shooting composites that day. Why is this movie told in the style of a comic book? I don't know, but I was thrilled it was. It made those awkward transitions sing. it was a really odd choice because
Starting point is 00:25:17 and I understand that there is a tradition of old of like maybe horror comic books but it was an odd choice because there's no horror in the comic book at all the comic book is really just doing transitions it's like we couldn't afford to shoot it so that's odd so we wake up old man in a bed
Starting point is 00:25:37 we're believing that he's a child even though he looks the same age as his dad and then his parents are like don't cut through that woman lawn and I'm like okay I'm in I'm on board and then he just doesn't cut through her lawn like he
Starting point is 00:25:51 destroys it he doesn't actually he destroys her flower bed which is so much weirder yes and that to me I was like oh great way to not like this character right out the gate but the problem is I've already
Starting point is 00:26:07 decided to like him because when he opens his closet there is a juggling game in there and I was like This guy's cool as hell. I was obsessed with that. I was like, what is juggle? Yeah. I love that both of us were like,
Starting point is 00:26:21 what's the game juggle? And then when they had the reverse shot, I saw the back of juggle game. I was like, oh, there's... And I just immediately paused it because I assumed it said juggo. And I was like, there's got to be boobs here. I bet there's...
Starting point is 00:26:34 If I bet if I pause, there's going to be jugs on this. You have to listen. You have to listen and be ready. I spent like an hour frame by framing the juggle. So
Starting point is 00:26:49 I guess what I'm getting to ultimately is if you don't change a single frame of this movie, why don't you just start off the character as a likable shy guy who then get shot not because he's set up an elaborate like
Starting point is 00:27:07 hoax robbery like everything that he does in the beginning set them up as a creep where I I think it would be more endearing if he's just nice. I think you're right, except that back then we didn't have creeps. Back then we didn't have creeps. We didn't know this was creep behavior. Well, right.
Starting point is 00:27:27 This just seemed like you, if you're a guy and you're in love with a girl who's been dating Matthew Fox for six years? They are in high school. What's going on there? Who's had a boyfriend for six years? you have to stage some sort of elaborate prank, hoax, violent thing in order to get her attention. Also found it interesting that Matthew, they didn't make, the movie makes so many interesting choices. And one is to not make Matthew Fox a villain, really. No.
Starting point is 00:27:58 Like, he seems like a nice guy in the beginning, you know? I never had an issue with him. He's kind of a dick, but not so, so much. Not like, I guess not, no more so than our main character. Well, I mean, the dick of the movie is the surprise of the film, Philip Seymour Hoffman. Or as he's credited, Philip Hoffman. Oh, really? No Seymour in the credits.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Yes. Oh, I didn't see that. I just saw it at the beginning. And I have to say he explodes on the screen. Incredible. I've never, I always, I think maybe the first time I ever saw him was Big Loboski for me. Oh, Big Loboski, of a woman? Because he's playing a similar character instead of only.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Oh, then I must have, but I don't even remember. Okay, yeah. So I remember, I mean, not that I was registering, but I remember him being like the funny, coky ski dude. And I was like, oh, wow, what an interesting moment that he, like, turned. Like, because, we'll just listen. Fuck, what are you doing? What is this?
Starting point is 00:29:02 It's clown work. I mean. I'm an idiot. Like, the way he's holding his body, the way his hat is. Look at where his eyes are. Yeah. He looks like a character from Andy Cap and Bazooka Joe. I mean, it is...
Starting point is 00:29:18 Look at his hair coming out of his hat up there. Like, this is comedian-level performance. And immediately, he is just acting everybody off the screen. He is denim on denim, and here we go. Well, no kidding. You stand me up, and then you don't even call me. My car broke down. I had to walk eight miles from...
Starting point is 00:29:41 It was raining to get to a telephone, and by the time I got there, you were already gone. See, I believe that. I would walk on glass and eat donkeys for you. Look at Phil Seymour-Hoffman. I can't live knowing that you're not mine. You go with a problem with me? Of course I will, silly. I'm sorry, too.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Let's not fight anymore. What's up, Dingle? What's it? See you, Johnny. Now it is. You can have nothing. Third bag. Wow.
Starting point is 00:30:19 It's a straight line from that to the talented Mr. Ripley. It's incredible. Truly. I mean, yeah. Sometimes you see it and you're like, oh, there it is. It's right there.
Starting point is 00:30:32 It doesn't matter what it's in service of. It's just electric to watch. Thank you, Bob Balaban. Bob Balaban had the eye. I love that it's Balaban. I love Bob Ballad. Everybody, every adult in the movie is a Balaban-level character actor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:48 It's J.O. Sanders. It's Richard Gilmore. It's Austin Pendleton. Everybody, all the adults are Chorus Leachman. One scene. One scene with Chorus Leachman, and it's electric. And his mom, Mary Beth Hurp, was amazing. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:31:04 The fact that she keeps bringing him first a toddler to eat. I laughed so hard. And then a cadaver is so funny. Well, this movie feels to me like a John Waters version of Teen Wolf. I feel like that's what they're going for. Paul Dooley? Come on. And this is the thing I can't quite figure out because all the actors seem to be on the same page.
Starting point is 00:31:31 He's directing them all. But I feel like maybe it didn't push far. Maybe it did. I don't know. I loved that nobody questioned it beyond, wait a minute, didn't you die? Yeah. Okay, you're here now.
Starting point is 00:31:44 And I loved that it didn't slow itself down to try and work it out, that it just was like, let's keep going. But the story we're telling is not about this. But he didn't really question it either, which I thought was interesting. I thought for sure someone's going to, and it's him. I actually, I found it fascinating that he became more likable when he was dead. Like, once he had something to contend with and an identity that sort of othered him, he, we had to root for him.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Yes. Well, yeah, I think you're right. And I think that this movie just kind of finds ways to always go in a slightly different direction that you don't need to go into. Because, like, yes, he comes back from the dead. No, sure, would it be interesting
Starting point is 00:32:23 to give it the smallest amount of explanation? I wouldn't have minded it, but sure, we don't need it. Especially when that grave digger seems to know a lot more than he's letting on. Murray? Yeah. Murray, the gravedigger? Would love Murray to be like,
Starting point is 00:32:37 yeah, just give me one more line of exposition. We're halfway there. but he stops himself from even explaining. He's like, ah, he'll learn. Eh, you'll find out. You'll find out in the rest of the movie. So then he goes to the doctor, uh, who was great. The doctor, and the doctor...
Starting point is 00:32:51 So great. Incredible stuff from Austin Pendleton. Austin Pendle. I mean, it was really amazing. The movie, let's be clear, would be unwatchable, but for the adults. Well, they're all adults, including that toddler. Yes, true. Well, and like, and what this is the, got the, but then, like, he goes to the doctor, and he's like, yeah, you got to go see this old woman Maggie. Like, why?
Starting point is 00:33:22 Why are we making another scene for him to go to her for her, go, yeah, my husband did it too, and he eats dead people. Like, just that Boston Penals and go, like, yeah, he's dead people. I'm surprised. You, I feel like you didn't like this movie. Yeah, just cannot say it. Be so for real right now. You're holding it to a stand? Is it just because it's so much like Teen Wolf
Starting point is 00:33:44 without the tickle my pause moment? There is never a moment in here where they told me to pause the film. And I feel like that. Well, these movies owe that to me. It's PG-13. And I expected something. No, and I think, like, I guess what I was getting frustrated by
Starting point is 00:34:01 was like the overcomplication of things. It's like, no, no, it's simple. It's easy. Like, I don't have any problem with the guys coming out with guns. The mom killing people, him eating a child. But, like, why are we, like, detouring? I do think, yes.
Starting point is 00:34:15 I think that once Austin Pendleton's nurse said, who, by the way, is his wife, who announced, like, almost two hours into the film just appeared. I hadn't seen her before. I don't know if she was a character. I don't think so. Appeared as though we knew her and said, you know, we're going to be making a youth serum. I thought, well, this is definitely a shitload of. shit a little money this is definitely just a new plot
Starting point is 00:34:41 you know that we're going to have to contend with this late hour like in a movie that's an hour in 25 minutes that comes in about an hour and 15 and you're right oh and even even the end I rewound it three times when he goes to heaven well because you were trying to see nudity yeah well I thought when when St. Peter was like took on my balls no but I like I was like you weren't supposed to slip on coffee and I'm like I'm lost here. I'm a lost.
Starting point is 00:35:11 You are trying to make sense out of... You're applying too rigorous a logic to this. Well, I'm saying it's like, this movie should be a straight line. How about now? We put a knot here. And you're like, why? Why do I need a knot? Just go to heaven and be like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:35:27 You learned your lesson. Go back down. I don't need him to go like, oh, he's supposed to slip on a pot of car. And then he gets shot. I'm like, okay, I get, all right. But why did that happen? Why? What I still, I guess, I didn't get to is what was the mistake exactly? That he was supposed to slip on the...
Starting point is 00:35:44 No, I know. Stop saying that. I know. But... I know he was supposed to slip on the coffee, but... You're not going to my field of stream magazine. I'll tell you that my mind. Wow. It just became unchoice. But... I guess that just felt so random. I couldn't accept it.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Like, I almost wanted Murray to have done something wrong or for him to have, you know, because... Admit that he set up this entire plan? Right. Or because he didn't give her the necklace that something... I don't know. There was a better device in there that wasn't used. The fact that he's wearing the locket, when he gets sent back,
Starting point is 00:36:39 which stops the bullet, is, I will say, insanity. And if I'm her and he takes the bullet and she's like, oh, this stops it, it's a heart-shaped locket with a picture of me as a five-year-old I would shoot him.
Starting point is 00:36:57 I would say, give me that God. It's the only answer. But also in the world of the movie, that present is locked away in his closet. Correct. Next to jugs. But we are to assume because he's gone to heaven
Starting point is 00:37:12 and stood trial and they've sent him back that God put that locket on him. And again... The Christian God. Obviously. And then he goes back down. I said it.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Goes back down. have the final dance, and guess what I want? My boyfriend's back. Dance to my boyfriend's back. Nope. Again, simple choices, that's all. In a slightly better executed version of this movie, there would have been like a band from that era
Starting point is 00:37:53 doing a ska cover of my boyfriend's back. It would be like fishbone doing my boyfriend's back. You're not going to get from me like, I didn't like when the mom threw the peanut butter or the bologna and mussel. Love it. No issue with it. On board.
Starting point is 00:38:10 But I kind of want some other things in here, too. Like, again... I love that they also didn't really grieve for him. Not at all. No. Not at all. It was, in some way, it's healing. Just to be like, oh, sometimes grief is not that big of a deal.
Starting point is 00:38:26 And also... And you know what? It felt like they didn't give in to that level of grief because they knew he was coming back. They knew that he was probably going to show up tomorrow, which is when he arrives. They just buried him yesterday. Paul Dooley's son is killed,
Starting point is 00:38:42 and Paul Dooley is like, my son's dead. And you're about to eat my, and you're about to eat my other son. His other son is in there. When that is revealed to be his other son. That's so funny. The one logic issue I had, the one, was that he would have started to smell very badly.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Oh, yeah. When she bites his ear and it falls off in her mouth. Great. I was like, finally, this movie has arrived. And by the way, she's kind of, yeah. Loves it. She's, in fact, I think, turned on. She is incredibly turned on by his decomposing body.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Yes. And she pays no attention to him until he's dead. And then she's like, what's your deal? Yeah, you're different. The ultimate bad boy is one that doesn't have a heartbeat. Isn't that the tagline? Nope. I was obsessed with this movie that reminded me of.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Anyone ever see Dead Heat? Great movie. Joe Piscopo gets killed in the line of duty. Comes back as a zombie, and his body parts are falling off, too, to solve a crime. He's got to solve a crime. So that's why you didn't like this movie, because you love this other zombie movie.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Piscopo. I don't like breaking me. it down that way. The first syllable Pisk. This is a tough thing about this movie. I'm actually really mad at you, Paul,
Starting point is 00:40:16 because I came in here like loving it and now I'm turning on it and it's not even me. You can't shake my love. Yeah, good. I need to get back there because I'm All right, I'm with you. But what I will say though
Starting point is 00:40:29 is that you are, we're referring to him as a zombie, but there's never any like mental decay. or zombie-esque behavior other than, of course, wanting to eat people. But there's no other sense, really, of him behaving or having any physicality of a zombie. I wanted him to kill Philip Seymour Hoffman. Like, Philip Seymour Hoffman putting an axe in his own head. I'm like, ugh.
Starting point is 00:40:54 And what did happen there? It was just the weight of it kind of took him back? He took it back and it. Yeah. Yeah. He hit himself in the back of the head, which made no sense. I feel like that was then not wanting our hero guy. to murder, but to be able to
Starting point is 00:41:07 eat human flesh. But the last line of the movie is, I wish I would have killed that guy. Yeah, I know. My... Tough stuff. My understanding of zombies, though, is that they like dot, dot, dot, brains.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Not so much flesh. He ate his belly. Oh, I know. He ate his stomach. They keep saying, he ate, he ate the stomach. But don't zombies eat brains? Isn't that their whole thing? Brains, brains, right? I don't know that about them.
Starting point is 00:41:37 So I couldn't... I don't. Anyway, so that was interesting to me, just mythologically, to introduce a new thing. That was interesting, but... I have a feeling on this. They couldn't introduce brains because they didn't have the effects budget to do brains.
Starting point is 00:41:56 I bet you're right. Because, like, when Philip Seymour Hoffman's on that table... Well, they don't even have the effects budget to show him eating flesh. No, I mean... He just goes down off camera and comes up with a little bit of blood. like he ate a burger with too much ketchup. I wrote here,
Starting point is 00:42:09 this tone isn't done anymore. And that's what I'm saying. It's like heathers and John Waters. You know what it reminded me of Buffy. It reminded me of Buffy. A world in which these supernatural elements are not really explored too much other than their ability to give us
Starting point is 00:42:29 to let us tell a story, a coming of age story, a whatever. Anyway, you get it. And that's what it reminded me of in a good way that was. But I guess that's my other question. What is this a metaphor for? I think there's both a puberty story in here. Puberty is 25 years old.
Starting point is 00:42:49 But then there is the story of their unholy romance. The idea that everybody is so looking down on them and that she's involved with a zombie, the undead. I do think, God, I'm now I don't like the movie anymore. I'm so mad. Because I think you're, I know, I don't know what happened tonight, but I think, I think what you're right about is, what is he learned? Nothing. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:16 You know, he has, what does the town learn? I don't, nothing. I think that what I wish for him is that he had started off as someone who wasn't willing to try and put himself out there. and be brave enough to fail and be vulnerable enough to, you know, tell her how he feels. But yet the first scene, he's like, you smell good, you smell, he smell. Yeah, I know. You know, it's like, ooh, creepy creep. Yeah, and then he does stage this elaborate thing, you know.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Now, when I did that to you, did you find that romantic? I thought you were a choice, ma'am. Choice, oh, my God. choice. I think you really have to decide to be on this movie's wavelength. You do. And I got there really quickly. You have to be on board for J.O. Sanders screaming, you are not taking my daughter to the prom, you stupid dead son of a bitch. Great line. And by the way, here's the thing about our lead actor, even though the movie and the writing and the story doesn't do him any favors, I did find him to be inherently watchable and likeable. And so I do think, he carries a storyline that's kind of not there.
Starting point is 00:44:36 I agree. I feel like given the material that he had, he made some choices. I think he is likable, but you're right. He's more likable when he's the zombie, but he hasn't really learned anything because when he goes back to school, his friend is his friend. And Teen Wolf, the fun thing about Teen Wolf is. Here we go. Take on my pause.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Here we go. We know. We've heard you say it. It's that it's spoke to you. But it's like the idea being like, here's a nerdy kid. He's not very good in basketball. You know, he, he's, no one pays attention to him. He becomes the wolf.
Starting point is 00:45:13 And then he's like, you know, breakdancing on trucks, scoring a bunch of baskets in the basketball game. The hot girl likes him. You know, and it's like, oh, popularity isn't all it's cracked up to be. Like, I actually like being with my friends better. Here, he becomes a zombie, keeps the same friends. And then the girl that he likes, Is this kind of like into, like, dead bodies?
Starting point is 00:45:35 Like, she's into necrophilia. I think you're right, actually. Because he says, there's that moment where he says, like, I don't just like you because you're popular. I don't like you because you're pretty. I'm like, well, that's all I see. Like, I don't know why you like her, actually. No, no reason.
Starting point is 00:45:48 I know. He likes her for the five-year-old within. I don't like that. It's a real roller coaster with this audience. Put it on a shirt. All right, let's go to the audience. Let's see what the audience has to say. There we go.
Starting point is 00:46:01 I'm going to. All right. So I know there's a lot of interesting things to talk about in this movie. We've broached a handful, but there are other things left to be said. Hi, what's her name? Nick. Nick, what's her question? I guess going off what you were just saying, since she wasn't into him until after he died and the death is sort of a stand-in for like an otherism, is she like fetishizing him for his identity at all? Well, I mean, that's what I was thinking, too. It's like, ooh. She just straight up likes the smell of dead skin. Yeah. I think it's as simple as that. I think she wants to fuck him till his dick falls off. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:37 I think she wants to, I think she wants that. I do. I think she's like, I think she's kind of like, previous two, he's just Johnny Dingle, who cares? And then she's like, have you seen Johnny Dingle since he died? He's smoking. I will say that the dick falling off scene and the sex judging scene. The dream sequence.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Both disturb me. I got it from a comedic standpoint but I was like too much watching him crawl all over her and those little heart shorts by the way I wrote that too there was something about this era in which in all of film
Starting point is 00:47:17 young teenage boys were always represented as having boxer shorts with hearts on them yeah I had those you had them? I was going to say I've never even seen that I had a real issue with my boxer shorts because they were so hard to get in my jeans.
Starting point is 00:47:33 I had to really push them down. I didn't even, I wasn't even allowed to have boxers shorts. Oh, really? Oh, no, I was tidy whiteies all day. Once, in like teenage years? Also, boxers weren't popular exactly until a little bit later. Well, once Bill Clinton said he wore boxers, I was all. That was it.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Now, did he say that? And then you paused it, and we're like, wait a minute. And I saw him. I had that device. Some waist down and a pair of boxers. They look great. Heart boxers. Hi, what's your name?
Starting point is 00:48:06 Sam. Sam, what's your question? Maybe I missed it in the problem scene at the very end when he comes back to life. Did Philip Seymour Hoffman not come back? So he is alluded to as being alive. What? Is Philip Seymour Hoffman dead in this alternate reality? Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:48:26 I'm sorry. He must be alive. I didn't see him in there. He says in the voiceover, like, The only thing I wish is that I killed Buster, whatever his name was. Buck, which is Matthew Fox. Oh. Buck is Matthew Fox.
Starting point is 00:48:39 No, so if I was wondering where he was, he wasn't in the background. You're right. He wasn't in the scene. But if we do, if he sees St. Peter and they get sent back to the robbery scene, then nothing after the robbery scene has taken place. He goes back to the beginning, right? Well, who knows? What do you mean who knows?
Starting point is 00:48:59 This God... I don't think you can say who knows. We know. We watched it. Well, we weren't with Matthew Fox or Phillips Seymour Hoffman that night. We don't know what they might have died that night. But the events of the, don't gaslight me on state. Hey.
Starting point is 00:49:16 Hey, hey, hey, hey. Do your research. I don't like both of you teenying up to gas like me. Didn't he say at one point when he was in front of St. Peter like, oh, and I didn't mean to kill Buck. Didn't he say that? He said it didn't mean to eat him. He does say he wish he. Killed Buck, meaning when his buddy says,
Starting point is 00:49:35 I know what you should do. You should, when Buck comes to pick her up for the prom, you should kill and eat him. Wear his suit and take her to the prom. He doesn't do that. And later in the movie, he says, I wish I'd done that plan. Right?
Starting point is 00:49:49 Well, that's crazy. That's concerning. He's a creep. Yes. He's a creep. Hi, what's your name? What's your question? You really want him to be a creep. Hi, I'm Jessica.
Starting point is 00:49:58 To June's point of Matthew Farker, It's Buck. You're saying he's not a villain. And it's true because what it seems to me is this girl who's supposed to be the sweetest, loveliest, most beautiful, popular girl in the school that's nice to everybody is essentially now cheating on her boyfriend who has done nothing wrong. In fact, she agreed to go to the prom with him. He came and, like, did this grand gesture. They apologized to each other. And he had, his friend's an asshole, but he hasn't done anything wrong. And there's nothing to say that he lied about not showing up for her.
Starting point is 00:50:30 I also do believe his car broke down on he had to walk. Maybe that makes me a fool. I don't believe that for a second. Here's what I don't believe. Anything coming out of the mouth of anyone wearing a Letterman jacket. If you're wearing a Letterman jacket in a teen movie in 1987, facts, you are a villain. But that's why I was confused because I didn't have any of those feelings for me. Believe men.
Starting point is 00:51:00 But I do agree believe men. Always. I agree with June on that. That's a shirt. Believe men. Believe men on the back. Tickle my paws. What's your name?
Starting point is 00:51:19 What's your question? Hi, my name's Anthony. I just wanted to ask more about the mom and the plates with the dog. I don't know how many people notice that, the bit running in that. Okay, tell us the bit because I don't think. think we did. Okay, the first time the mom is serving breakfast, the dog just snatches all the food off the plate?
Starting point is 00:51:36 Yes, takes all the eggs. Oh, that's the second time. The first time. Yeah, June. Yeah, sorry, June. Hey, June, that's the second time. I believe men. Hey, let's believe this man.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Go on. Wow. This guy's... I believe him. This guy's fired up. I just want to say sorry to June. Sorry, that's good. June, do you feel safe?
Starting point is 00:51:55 It's like, it looks like bagels or toast, but the dog just takes, the mom's like, all right, and sets the plate. Okay, so the dog is eating all the food. It's a funny bit. They laughed at the eggs. I didn't see the first one. Thoughts? Well, I do think that it's leading to what we, what ends up happening, which is the dog takes the, you know, the body and pulls it from the fridge.
Starting point is 00:52:17 I think what we're setting up is that this dog will eat anything anywhere, any time, any day. And I love it. And that's the rich text that is this movie. There are things happening. Listen to what the movie's telling you. There are things happening that we didn't even pick up on that it takes a man in the audience to illustrate. Thank you. Finally a man asking question.
Starting point is 00:52:41 And explain it as only a man can by barking it at us. Here's what I wish. Because some of these movies of this time, although I guess we don't know what time it was after all, 93. Well, we do know what time it was. Here's the thing. Here's my question about 93. Was this movie made in 93, though, as a period film to feel like 87? No.
Starting point is 00:53:07 God damn it. It's crazy. I agree. Because what's important to me about movies, well, the movies I saw when I was 13 and pretty impel. A lot of Molly Ringwald, like, what was important to me about those women was that they were, I wanted him to let go of her as an idea. Wouldn't that be great? And a concept. find, like, when I saw him sitting next to that
Starting point is 00:53:29 girl and staring at her arms in the library, I thought, well, who's she? I mean, he's looking at her because he was to eat her. I know he wants to eat her. She wants to chop, chomp, chomp down on those arms. But that was a very important narrative to me to, like, see past this vapid girl. I'm sorry? I thought she had a strong sense of self.
Starting point is 00:53:51 The library girl in the library? Because she didn't allow him to eat her? Wow. Okay. Now that's interesting. She didn't expand on that. She just was like, hey, back off, man.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Like, you know, and I thought like she just killed her. You know, she wasn't like, I'm a nerd. You can eat me. Like, that's like... No, I guess she wasn't. The only flaw I see with the movie is that I don't even understand
Starting point is 00:54:16 what he's still doing at school. I don't either, but... Let's be clear. If I'm dead, I am not going to school. It seems like he just wants to go hang out with that girl. Yes, and find her elsewhere. I guess what I am.
Starting point is 00:54:27 saying is that I felt like there were movies that that let go of the idea of the hot girl who had nothing else to offer but being hot and popular and I thought by 93. We had done our time with
Starting point is 00:54:43 that and that's what's wrestling with. The idea that I'm in college when this movie comes out is stone cold chilly. And I was 13. I'm a lot younger. Go on call next person. Wow. I was Just getting my period.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Savage flecks from a choice woman. Well, now, no one brought up this fact, and I'm surprised L.A. Now, you might want to say brace yourself. Sorry, you might not want to say it. I'm going to say to you, brace yourself. Wait, so who's saying brace yourself? I'm saying. I just want to be clear, just so as we're cutting it together,
Starting point is 00:55:25 so who do you want to say brace yourself? And when? Because for us to say brace yourself We don't know to... Hang on a second. Hang on a second. So you guys go. Three, two, one. Brace yourself.
Starting point is 00:55:39 No, I have to say to you. No. I have to say to you. You're not presenting to me. I'm presenting to you. Brace yourself. We're going to go on a little bit of... Wait, let's do one thing.
Starting point is 00:55:50 We just do it. You guys on three just say you brace yourself. One, two, three. You brace yourself. No. You brace yourself. Okay. You brace yourself.
Starting point is 00:56:06 No. You brace yourself. You brace yourself. Listen to me right now. You better brace yourself because I will not. I will not do it. You know what? I will.
Starting point is 00:56:26 I'll brace myself. You did it! Wow. Wow. By the way, you guys got a good one. Oh, God. People have asked, what if, what happened to the lead actress in this movie, Tracy Lynn?
Starting point is 00:56:47 I'm going to tell you. Oh, God. I am actually, I am bracing myself. Okay. Tracy Lind? This is the actress in the movie. In 1997, Lynde went public
Starting point is 00:57:00 with accusations of physical abuse regarding her boyfriend, Doty Fayette. She claimed that they were physical with each other, and he threatened her with a 9-millimeter Beretta when she rejected his proposal. Two weeks later, Doty died in a car accident
Starting point is 00:57:20 with his new partner, Princess Diana. I couldn't, honestly, I didn't, honestly, I didn't brace myself enough. With all that, I didn't, I didn't. Consider me brace. Wow. Wait. Wow. And then the final part is after his passing.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Lind retired from acting, stating, I'm an intensely private person, so this whole acting thing was just the wrong path for me. lights like we gotta go i have to go shows over tick tickle my paws how do you come back from wow i'm just i just i can't wrap my head around this it's a it's a it's a it definitely in a million years i couldn't have come up with that didn't think who played her in the princess diana movie that we did just go over the timeline with me one Okay. So she's engaged in him. So this movie is made in 93. In 97. I'm 13.
Starting point is 00:58:33 Jason's in college. Go on. Yes. And then what happens? In 97, she is dating Doty Fayed. She goes out and says, hey, this guy's been abusive to me. In 97, she's saying these things. She's dating him?
Starting point is 00:58:48 And then two weeks after that. He says in 98, right? Two weeks. Two weeks after she went public, Doty died in a car accident with his new partner, Princess Diana. This changes everything. Wow. Oh, there's a little more.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Okay, hold on. Who said that? You did? Oh, well, I knew you had it. All right. All right, correct. Get that guy out of here. I say that. I do that bit.
Starting point is 00:59:19 What do we got? So when Chuck, Philip Seymour Hoffman is chasing Johnny with a baseball bat, Eddie comes out and he's reading a Time magazine or People Magazine and Princess Die and Charles' divorce is on the magazine. Okay, but that's just pure coincidence, right? Here's my theory.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Here's my theory. Doty was having trouble in his relationship with Tracy, was watching this movie and saw that Die was on that cover, single, ready to mingle, and then she dies. Wait, do we know, though, for sure that Doty and Tracy were dating during the film? Yes, was that during this period? Do we know that? Oh, no, I think he was just rewatching and trying to re-
Starting point is 01:00:00 Oh, oh, oh, God, God. You think, do you think he was watching it for the pod? What I'm saying is to say... Knowing that in the future we would cover it? Could be. I thought you said pause. I genuinely thought you said pause. And I was like...
Starting point is 01:00:15 Pause the episode right now to see Jason naked. And if you're listening to the podcast, do pause. do pause during the pod because there is nudity I want to agree with this story and say they're dating and he's like well what do you do and she's like I'm an actress and she's like well what have you been in she's like my boyfriend's back let's watch it then sees that magazine gets that idea and then we move on to this timeline how many years later is that though
Starting point is 01:00:45 three years later oh oh okay okay three four years later I see I see I see wow you know by the time it's on home video This has been maybe the biggest bombshell since Catherine Hegel replaced Megan Markle in suits? Was that it? Was that it? I don't think she replaced.
Starting point is 01:01:09 I think we were just figuring out how many members of the royal family were in suits or connected to suits. There was some reveal that then similarly, I feel like, threw me entirely off track for days. Well, I mean, a couple of things. things that you, I mean, I can get you back to some stuff and say that the movie was originally offered to Peter Jackson. He turned it down. And then they gave it to another guy, Adam Marcus, but then Disney was like, he's too young. And so he went on to go make Jason Goes to Hell the final Friday. And then they bring him Bob Balaban, but they kind of dangle the script in front of Bob Balaban for months. And then they go, finally go shoot this thing, give him two weeks
Starting point is 01:01:51 notice to shoot the movie. and he nailed it. Yes. Maybe it should be... You know how they have those shirts like a film by Albert Books or, you know, a film? It should be like a film by Bob Balaband.
Starting point is 01:02:04 They should make that... I would love... By the way, I would love it. Okay, so... Oh, man. As we digest... I don't... I'm not recovered. This...
Starting point is 01:02:16 Are we... Are we a true... Let me ask a real question. Are we okay? Are we, are we safe? No. All right. Obviously, we have opinions about this movie,
Starting point is 01:02:29 but the people out there with a different opinion, it is now time for second opinions. Hi, I'm Kelsey. My boyfriend's back, but wait, he's not my boyfriend. Hey, La, hey la, he's not my boyfriend. He's kind of obsessed and never had to. the balls to talk to me. Hey la, hey la, I'm with Matthew Fox.
Starting point is 01:02:57 He dove in front of bullet for me. Hey la, hey la, sure I'll go to prom. I never expected him to come back from the grave. Hela, hey, la, he's kind of cute. He's starting to rot, and we're making out in his car. Hey, la, hey, oh, his ear fell off. Hey, that's kind of the whole plot Hey, there's Phillips Seymour Hoff
Starting point is 01:03:26 After all the hijinks and he makes it to the prom He goes right to the afterlife Johnny finds out that he should have never died So they sent him back to the start We're back at the beginning With the botch robbery Hey La, hey I'm almost done Almost.
Starting point is 01:03:53 This is a recap, madam. Hey, I'm getting it five stars. Hey, the mom was the best part. My time was fun, and it was a silly ride. Hey, la, hey, how did this give made? Nice. Amazing, great, great job. That was good because it reminded me of a lot of, if not all, of the plot.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Yeah, it was great. Good refresher at the end of the show. There are 1,250 reviews of this film. 82% are 5 star. Now, I will tell you this much. There's a review here. I will not read it in full, but I need to give you just a taste of it. It is from Dr. Jacques Coulardot, from July 7th.
Starting point is 01:04:49 2012. I'm going to read a middle paragraph in the last paragraph. Okay. School teachers and other school personnel are just what they are, a school of cold fish that stink high heavens like rotting salmon in a polluted river. And I will not say what happens to the trout in the lake. Dead fish can also be zombies. But then do they not have fish bones in their bodies? Rather perambulating, decaying radiations, like in nuclear radiations? Don't touch, it burns. Now that's the middle paragraph.
Starting point is 01:05:23 It goes on. And I'll read the final paragraph. The film is funny, though, of course, not as funny as Michael Jackson's rewriting of the Night of the Living Dead. It is true here that we have the Prom of the Living Dead Mixing with the Dead Living. That sounds more
Starting point is 01:05:40 romantic than terrifying, but it is horrifyingly grossed times, and Shakespearean at others. They even have the balcony scene of Romeo and Juliet revisited for young zombies with decaying muscles. I wonder where the three weird sisters are.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha. Three times, of course. Five stars. It takes the delirium tremens of the dead. So, if you want to read the nine paragraph review, we'll put that up on the website. And my understanding
Starting point is 01:06:15 is that's what you do in auditions. Yes, I read that now. I read all these things in here, yeah. It says, poor Dingle was a dongle in his life and as a zombie. Yeah, it's good. But that does, that does suggest, and I'm shocked none of us have brought it up,
Starting point is 01:06:30 thriller being another kind of zombie, romantic zombie, of course, dancing that this movie did not have. But, like, that's another very totemic zombie portrayal in this era in 1987. Then Jay Bordelan And 2001 writes Well, first of all,
Starting point is 01:06:49 was that? I love this movie with a passion And I've seen it at least 40 times But last night, I rented it for the 41st. And I noticed something I never noticed before. The name of the song they danced to at the end of the movie. I had my closed captioning running, all of a sudden it pops up, hanging on for dear life by MMC?
Starting point is 01:07:19 Now, I was thinking that MMC stood for Mickey Mouse Club, but I don't think in this case it does. Also, comment to other Amazon reviewers. I know too much more than anybody about movies and music. But if you want to know the name of a song or something and you got to leave your email address in the review so people can write you back. Well, peace and love and chicken grease.
Starting point is 01:07:46 Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. And again, I would argue that these reviews... Wait, what just happened at the end? Don't know. Wait, do you think that bye-bye-bye-bye was like Backstreet Boys? Well... Wait, who's saying bye-bye-by-by? Insync.
Starting point is 01:08:02 Insync. He did... You got to email him. He did leave his email address in the review so you could be like, well, what is? MMC. Like, I guess he was asking you to, like, say, like, I'm not going to tell you here. I'm not going to tell you what
Starting point is 01:08:18 MNC is. Let's take this offline. Yeah. And, you know, every now and then we do one-star reviews. One-star reviews, first opinions. These are people who don't like the film. And I wanted to call out this one written by Shelley. This movie would be
Starting point is 01:08:36 fine if they didn't use the Lord's name in vain. A total waste of money If you're like me and find that very offensive We don't watch anything with foul Spelt F-O-W-L Language We don't watch anything with foul language
Starting point is 01:08:57 Or G-D in it One star Disappointed There's no issue with the resurrection Of a non-Christ-like figure but really has a problem with them using Christian God's name. I also have to agree. Well, we know we all recommend it.
Starting point is 01:09:20 Yeah. Although I feel like you are a no. I'm a yes. I'm a yes, but I would love a simpler pass on it. Like, I just would love it to be streamlined a little bit. Like a nerdy kid who realizes something here, he realizes nothing. he gains nothing when he goes back and asks her out
Starting point is 01:09:41 he's still asking her out with like he saved her life so she's like oh yeah I'm indebted to you but the only reason why she's impressed is like wow he saved my life I feel like you need to have something more to build a relationship on it's not much of a hero's journey I agree I mean all that's true
Starting point is 01:09:58 but it's so much fun I mean this movie to me was just good old fashion fun and I do a pre- a comedy that's going to take a strong comedic premise point of view and just play it out beat by beat. We don't make those types of movies anymore. And despite your concerns, I really wish, I wish we did.
Starting point is 01:10:24 I really like, I watched this and I was like, I'm craving this kind of dumb. Everybody's committed. Everybody's on the same page. Everybody knows what the game is. and we're all just, like, continuing to build it out. I really miss these movies, and I really enjoyed it. Agree. All right.
Starting point is 01:10:44 I agree wholeheartedly. This movie is a home run for me. And the idea that this is not, like, that kids don't have a this to watch. And maybe they do, and I just don't know what it's called, and it's on YouTube, and everybody farts into a can, and everybody's like, you smelt it. I don't know. I like that one. But this to me is, boy, what a blast. Why does comedy have to be so real now?
Starting point is 01:11:10 Boring. Yes. Well, because, yes, I agree. Completely. This to me... Dramity is killed comedy. Oh, yeah. For real.
Starting point is 01:11:17 Yeah. It has. It's true. And I miss these movies. I miss these movies from the John Husey versions of these to the teen wolves to this, to the B movie, like this version of it. Like Dead Heat? This is a blood. I will watch Dead Heat.
Starting point is 01:11:30 I would like to do Dead Heat on the show. Put it on the diet. We absolutely. do it because that's this treat williams joe piscopo comedy legends maybe let's not do dead heat i actually think that treat williams is the one is the zombie right don't scold me sorry prepare yourself brace yourself um yeah no i i i brace yourself you brace yourself okay fine i recommended a hundred This was, and I will say this, Paul, your criticisms, though they may be valid, I did not, it didn't interrupt me from enjoying this movie at all full stop. And that's where I will say, while I had criticisms, I enjoyed the movie.
Starting point is 01:12:18 And I enjoyed what it did. What'd you say? I said, I know you did. Oh, yeah. The only way the movie could be better would be nudity. well we just got to figure out when they're telling us to pause it yeah and it would have been great if like when his dick falls off and rolls down his his pajama pants
Starting point is 01:12:40 if it fell out and we saw it we all want to know what dingle's dangling we all want to know what dingles dangle tickle my paws what do we want this shirt to be a film by bob ballaban we wanted to be a tickle my paws do you listen to men Brian Orlando. Holy shit. Brian Orlando Electronics.
Starting point is 01:13:07 And it's a... Brian Orlando Electronics. That's it. Yeah. I think we could do Brian Orlando Electronics. Are we going to get... I don't... I'm not worried about getting sued by Brian Orlando.
Starting point is 01:13:22 Okay. Come after me. Everybody that Paul went to grade school with is dead anyway. Yeah. They all died in that mysterious gas leak. All right. That's our show. I just want to say, T to B, this episode has been unhinged. So great.
Starting point is 01:13:44 So great. And well done. You guys were part of a great episode. What a fun one. This was unreal. And I only feel bad. for the people that watched Ghosts of Mars last night.
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Starting point is 01:14:12 Thank you to Cody. Thank you to Quinn. Thank you, everybody. Good night. Bye-bye. Thanks for joining us for such a choice episode. And as always, a huge shout-out to our pals at Largo, Flanny Griffey,
Starting point is 01:14:26 Michael in the booth, and our recording engineer Brendan Burns. I also want us to thank our videographer West Knapp. That's right. For the first time ever, we'll be releasing some video clips for this live show on social media. So make sure you check out our social pages on HDTGM for some hot, hot video footage. Now, our t-shirt design for this episode says, Brian Orlando Electronics. It has a little joystick on it.
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Starting point is 01:15:18 People, I want to urge you, give that phone number a call. We get great calls, but we could always use more. Now, here's the thing. It's December, which means it is time for a how did this get made annual tradition. Yes, we will once again be doing a virtual holiday show that you can watch live from anywhere in the world. And you bet Jessica St. Clair will be joining us for all the fun. And for the first time ever, we're going to be in the same location. That's right.
Starting point is 01:15:43 We're going to be on the dark web set, which, by the way, if you've not been watching the dark web, you've got to catch up. Our studio is burnt down. We are hallucinating in the middle of the woods. And this week we did a YouTube kids show version of the show. This is not a joke. This is not a bit. It is available on YouTube Kids. It's also available on regular YouTube.
Starting point is 01:16:02 But watch how Rob and I have to stay within the very specific lines of YouTube Kids. It's a blast. Now, this show, the Christmas show that I'm doing with Jason, June, Jessica, we're going to be doing that live on December 10th. Tickets are available now at hdtgm.com. Get those tickets. It's going to be a real plus. up. And by the way, if you like live events, DeepDive is also doing a live event on December 5th. That's right. December 5th, you got your live streaming moments ready to go. Remember,
Starting point is 01:16:33 if you're looking at gifts to give for the family, well, my book, Joyful Recollections of Trauma is available and you can get it signed. You'll get there probably in time for the holidays. Plus, Weapons is now out on HBO Max. Jason is in Man on the Inside Season 2, as well as season two of Percy Jackson, and again, Taskmaster is available right now, his entire season on YouTube. Remember, if you listen to this show on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show's settings. It helps us, and we appreciate it a lot. And I also want to thank our entire team for who this show could not be done without. I am talking about our producer, Scott Sonny, and Molly Reynolds,
Starting point is 01:17:13 and our audio engineer, Casey Holford, as well as our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum, and our intern, Quinn Jennings. And as always, we hold a special light to Averallie. All right, that's all I got, people. We'll see you next week on Last Looks.

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