How Did This Get Made? - Passion Play

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

This week Paul, June and Jason breakdown the 2011’s film, Passion Play starring Mickey Rourke, Megan Fox and Bill Murray. The three discover this movie is an actual “Jacobs Latter Scenario”, discuss Megan Fox’s tiny wings, the Alf connection to this film, and much more!  If you think Paul, June and Jason missed or got something wrong in this episode call 1(619) Paul Ask and tell them about it! HDTGM Spring Tour 2025 tickets are now on sale for Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boise, San Fran, Portland, & LA at hdtgm.com.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaCheck out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmJoin the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerVisit Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Friend Zone w/ Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch every Thursday 5pmPT / 8pmET: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Listen to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: https://www.unspooledpodcast.com/Listen to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social media Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm.

Finally, a true Jacobs Ladder scenario. We saw passion play, so you know what that means. Now it's time for How Did This Get Made? We're gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be the hater, cause you know you wonder how did this get made? Let's follow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? The movie is passion play.

The year is 2011. The tagline? Between heaven and hell, there is fear. And what is it about? Well, Mickey Rourke is a former junkie with a hit on him and after he escapes death, in quotes, he finds a winged woman, that's Megan Fox, and offers to sell her to a gangster played by Bill Murray to take the price off his head.

But that is before he falls in love with her. Woof, all right. Hey, let me introduce to you my co-host, Jason Manzoukas and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both? Worse, worse than I was. Worse than I was before. I started this movie at 930 this morning.

Oof. Oof. I started it at midnight last night, and it went down smooth until 145. Uh. You know what's so interesting? Like, I, we have a lot to talk about, obviously. But, and I don't want to jump to the end.

Oh, please. Jump to the end. OK, please, jump to the end. Okay, fine. So this movie was worth it. It was all worth it for that one shot of Megan Fox holding Mickey Rourke like a baby, like a child and flying through the air with him. Yes.

Honestly, I was like, oh, great. Like it all, everything is sort of... The scenes where Megan Fox wants to fly and she's on a roof or she's on a cliff, and it's so CGI'd out, it's like The Room, Tommy Wiseau level CGI where it... Well, that's what you tell, when you said it came out in 2011,

that blew my mind only because this movie looks like it was shot in the late 90s, early 2000s. Oh, I mean, it definitely was shot with, yeah. I mean, this is to me, like, dad fanfic. It's like, you know, like a dad who's like, I love mystery novels and I love noir and what, I wanna write, I could write a movie. Like it feels like, it feels like.

But it's like, it's that dad if he also was given access to like three Vim Vendors movies, you know, like he also thinks like, and you know, kind of, you know, enigmatic editing and like the music montage moments. Like there's a weird European cinema element to this that is unsuccessful. Yeah. Well, okay, so just to start with the title.

Passion Play. Now, is this a passion play? Well, I was gonna Google it before we started and I was, because a passion play is normally related to like religion, right? It's like that dramatic representation leading up to and including the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now, where this movie falls apart is he dies and he's dead.

I don't know, because he's flying through the air with an angel. But I think he's dead though, right? I mean, I guess like... Yes, no, I agree with you. I agree with you that this is a Jacob's Ladder scenario. When he's flying with the angel, he sees his own dead body in the desert

where we left him at the beginning of the movie. Where he gets taken at the beginning of the movie. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Oh, wait. June. Wait, wait, wait.

I'm gonna mute. I'm just gonna mute while June talks. So, I, well, I didn't have my glasses on. So I'll start there. But I thought when he was flying over the desert that we were looking at the body of that henchman. Oh. Okay, that makes sense. But it wasn't. It was his body.

Well, you could tell by all the chains and leather jackets and hats. I couldn't see those details. Did you not notice the three-piece suit over a tank top? Noted. I just saw a body and I was like, oh, that's interesting.

He's flying by and we're, and I did think to myself, oh, I guess we're just seeing some of the sights we saw earlier. Well, we are. We are. But it wasn't the henchman, it was his own body. So this is a Jacob Slatter scenario. It's truly a Jacob Slatter scenario.

There's no doubt in my mind. Now here's something that I will just bring up. That scene that you talk about, because we are starting at the end, when she flying away with Mickey Rourke, who seems to be like, even from bird standards, be too heavy. It would be too much for Megan Fox's body to be.

Absolutely. Let me ask you guys a question about that specifically, be too heavy. It would be too much for Megan Fox's body to be, you know? Let me ask you guys a question about that specifically, because she has, Megan Fox has wings in this. We find her initially in a carnival setting, in a sideshow kind of setting, and people pay money to see the woman with angel wings, but then they keep clarifying that they're bird wings. Right.

Why? Why keep doing that? Doesn't the movie work if she is an angel trying to pull these, pull Mickey Rourke out of hell or whatever? Is that what this is? Obviously, I think that's what it is saying, but then why keep perpetuating the narrative

that she's a bird woman? Great question. Well, I would also argue that I've seen movies like Michael, the John Travolta film, where he is an angel and he also sprouts wings, or he has a broken wing or whatever. And those angel wings are very white, and it's very pristine.

She definitely has bird wings. Like, the coloring is of a bird. So just to be clear, you are team bird woman. Here the coloring is of a bird. So just to be clear, you are team bird woman. Here's what I'm gonna say. I am team, it should be an angel, but someone made the choice that we're really leaning into bird when- The digital asset we have for wings is darker color.

So I think there was a lot going on. Cause first of all, to go back to Paul's point about Mickey work being way too heavy, because he's a dense man. Dense. You know, dense head, dense hair, dense body. He's dense in every way. So her wings, in order to fly holding him,

they had to be at least double the size that they were. Oh yeah. Just the width of them, the scope of them. So even her arm strength, June. Absolutely, no, absolutely. But- He's also, and somebody, physicists can comment, he's also falling.

Yes. So he's, she's fighting, not just his own weight to lift him, but to lift him against the gravitational pull. But I think what happened, or, because I thought a lot about the wings, Jason, and the bird wings, and why they looked like bird feathers. So why at points they seem to be able to, should be, seem to be able to remove them. But that put that over there for a second.

Will they kind of like fold back up, but we never see them fold back up because they clearly didn't have the budget. Well, that's the thing. I think they were like, if they are real angel wings, cause angel wings are, should be the size of her whole body. Sure. They should go down to the ground and they should be white and she should have a big wing span. But I think they were just got lost in the sauce with like, oh, we need to be able to put them

under a coat or a dress if they're always here. But June, that would mean that they're very small. Like they're in between, again, they are in between being very big and also not very small. Like they're in between, again, they are in between being very big and also not very small. Like they're not like tiny. I think what they were working against was the desire to have her wear almost nothing at all times while simultaneously letting us still believe she has full-size wings

attached to her back. And so I think they can't really, they can't really reconcile those two things. They want her to be next to naked all the time, but they also want her wings to be able to be hidden by her tiny dress, which it can't be. But that shot, I thought she actually took off her wings when she went, oh, they they just were folding into the sun.

She was just expressing the pain of these, these day. I mean, when I do, I do appreciate that when she goes to sleep, she has to sleep on her stomach. But here's the interesting thing though. I, because she does, there's a lot of, there's a lot of discussion when we first meet her about her lower back pain, about just what it is to be a woman with wings.

And it's sort of- I mean, it's a metaphor for big boobs, right? Right. Sure, but it's like- She could get a wing reduction. It seems like she did get a wing reduction. She did get a consult. But I just, it almost seems like she's a creature that was not supposed to have

these wings as opposed to an, a species, an angel, a, someone who there've been creatures like her that came before her that this is something she procreated from. It seems like Megan Fox, the character, her character, someone put these wings on her human body and she's gotta deal with them. Okay, who? I don't know. That guy, that guy who found her is very possessive.

The... Reece Fonz, Reece Fonz. Oh, that's Reece Fonz, okay. The roommate from Naughty Hill. Always great to see. Incredible actor. Always great, always great. By the way, cast in this movie, 100%,

like everyone's hitting it out of the park. I love this cast. Amazing. This cast is, everybody is a home run hitter. It's like Rory Cochran is the person who buys his trumpet from him in the diner. Like I was like, what's going on? And here's what I'll say too.

I have no issue with the acting. This director and writer, Mitch Glazer, has been wanting to make this movie for a very long time. He's married to Kelly Lynch. This was his love story. This is how he felt that he fell in love with Kelly Lynch. When he originally wrote it, they're like, make it more like Splash.

He's like, how dare you? That's not what I wanted to do. It was about the 50s and he held onto it. And then when Mickey Rourke was in trouble, he was like, I wanna bring him back and I wanna bring him back in a way where he's not a thug. I wanna bring him back to the Pope of Greenwich Village. Like this guy from Diner.

So like, this is like, this is a passion project for the director, but I will say, that's what it also feels like. It feels like there was very little deviation from anything and there's a lot of stuff that makes no sense. It feels like there's a lot of like creative editing to make sense of this.

Cause there's also quite a lot of like continuity problems. Huge. Like they go into a building at night and come out in the day. There's a lot of day for night stuff. There's a lot of like... He goes to bed shirtless, wakes up in a full Long Johns. Yes! Full Long Johns! He's nude when he goes to bed. It's lumpy. The movie is lumpy.

But it's like really interesting. I was fascinated to watch it, but what is interesting now to really think about, cause I just finished it before we got on, is none of this is real, right? Like all of the movie, Megan Fox entirely, having wings, the winged woman, the angel, all this stuff are the creation of Mickey Rourke's character in his own head

while he dies in the desert, right? So that's... Well, I'm just learning this now, so I'm really having to kind of reroute over here. And that makes sense as to why the movie is so bad is because he's just not smart enough, that character. Well, and this is the thing, like, it's hard to critique a movie that is the vision of an idiot.

Of a character. It's hard to criticize a movie that is the vision of an idiot. Of a character. It's hard to criticize a movie when it's the vision of one of its main characters. Who is an idiot. And also, where are they? Where are they? I mean, it is. Are they in Las Vegas?

Are they in Albuquerque? He finds her in the desert at a carnival and he says, your English is so good. Okay. And she says she learned from watching TV. So she is in, I believe, I believe they are in Mexico there. Where?

And what, we're meant to believe that she is a native Spanish speaker? Oh, she's a Mexicana, yes. Ah, ah, ah! Well, let's go back to why he might have an issue with it is because when he dies, he is saved by, and again, we don't see the faces, but a handful of Native Americans who are-

Are they Native Americans? I don't know. All dressed in white. I am so upset that we did not get any payoff of that whatsoever. What's interesting is the movie offers you no answers to any questions. We don't, and now that we understand that it's a Jacob's letter scenario, that's why.

Because there are no answers, because there is no story, because this whole thing is a dream. And so the logic of it and the editing and the kind of like weird way that it's kind of a tone poem or whatever is just the dream element of it. But boy, does it make for a frustrating watch when you're like, who are those guys?

When's that guy coming back? What's on offer here? What is this? I also like, I would love someone to count the number of lines Megan Fox has in this movie. I would say it's on two. So few.

Yeah, you could count it on two hands. So few and many of them are the same line. Many of them are versions of the same sentiment. And she's always, and I know it's just. As long as I'm with you, you can't hurt him. Yep, that's the deal. The deal was that I'm with you and so he's, not a finger on him, that's the deal.

Okay, that's the deal. Okay. I felt like all I know about Megan Fox's character is... she, her character has some severe daddy issues. I feel like... What? No. Well, she was found in a garbage. In a garbage?

That's what Breeze, that's what he says. That he found her in the garbage. How did this come in? How did this come in? I just want to back up to the one thing that we know is real, which is where we meet Mickey Rourke in the beginning. Okay. He is in, he definitely is in America because that club has an American name and it's like,

I couldn't quite tell what this club was. Like it's jazz burlesque. Well, it's interesting because it is a burlesque kind of, well, you know, strip club kind of environment. Right. And Mickey Rourke and his like, I'm gonna say six piece jazz band are on stage, right? Right.

Mickey Rourke is a trumpet player of note. He's famous enough that he has made albums, although we don't know. So solo albums, solo albums. None of this is, again, none of this is real. This is just creation in his mind. What's R? No, that part is real, Jason.

Oh no, no, this is, no, no, no, we don't know. The part where they're playing in the strip club is real. The album is in Megan Fox's collection, so it's fake. Oh, you're right, because the album, he's already dead. So, I mean, who cares what's real and what's fake? The movie is so poor, it does such a poor job. Like if we rewatched it right now, it's not gonna be like rewatching the sixth sense

after you find out the reveal. I'm gonna believe that he released an album, but because he was addicted to heroin, his career went downhill. I'd also argue it's because he smokes and plays the horn at the same time. This guy, I don't, look, and Jason, I think you're more, you're probably the most

astute of us in this. Is that a thing, are people smoking and playing a horned instrument at the same time? Yep. All right. Oh yeah, that's a very, like, Miles Davis. That's a very, like, 40s jazz club vibe. The other thing is, what I loved is, this is what I watched when I watched it,

started it last night, and I was like, oh, this is gonna be wild, is it's this big jazz band on a stage, and the dancer is dancing with, like, feather things, and it's a whole situation, but the music that's playing isn't the music of the jazz band. Nope.

It's slow, plaintive piano and cello music. But the visual is this up-tempo jazz band playing. So I'm like, what the f... The disconnect between those two things is immediately jarring. And it's so bizarre that he seemed like... And look, what is his crime? What the f... The disconnect between those two things is immediately jarring. And it's so bizarre that he's seen... And look, what is his crime?

You know, he's a recovering junkie, but he sleeps with, and we don't know it's his character yet, but he sleeps with Happy's wife, Happy as Bill Murray, and so Bill Murray has put a hit out on him, and the way the movie starts is we're following this mook. This guy's gonna kill him. Uh, and that's the way that movie starts is we're following this, this mook, this guy's gonna kill him. And that's the way that we see it. But I also don't know enough about this world.

I'm not invested in anything before he gets killed at all. It's so hard because there, we're on this journey with him. And by the way, alive or dead, we're on this journey with him. We have to be, we're locked in. We can't help but to be, we have to do a podcast about it. And so we're on this journey and him. We have to be. We're locked in. We're, we can't help but to be with your podcast about it.

And so we're, we're on this journey and I'm like, I hate this man. Oh, I hate him. He smells. You know that he smells. I hate who he is. I hate that he's peering at her through the window. I hate that he won't stop looking at her through the panes of glass. I hate everything.

I hate that he won't let her get those wings chopped off. Yeah. Well, first of all, I do wanna talk about when she goes to the plastic surgeon to get those wings chopped off. It seems like they're doing it, like he's like, oh yeah, yeah, I'll do surgery today. You came in for a consultation,

I'll knock these off right away. And when he runs into that room, I saw it and I started laughing so hard, which is there's just a computer printout on white paper that says, operating room. Like it's just taped to the door. I also loved that the, he comes in and the doctor is in the consult

with Megan Fox's character, Lily. Lily Luster. Lily Luster. And he's holding up one of her wings and looking at it so like, so quizzically. But you have to understand, like, the actor is just holding nothing. So it's such a funny disconnect.

And when he goes, and he goes, hey, you ever say a word about this? He's threatening him. I'm going to find out where you live and burn down your house. It's like, this woman is performing all around the country in a carnival. Like, she's known. It's like, this woman is performing all around the country in a carnival.

Like she's known, it's not like she's a secret. That's the thing I hate about him the most. Why take her out? She was living, I think, the best version of her life as a carnist. Yeah. Yeah. I think things did not get better from there. I think she was living in a tiny hotel room with him

and it was disgusting. And he barely had $2 to rub together. Then she goes to live with Bill Murray. And by the way, that hotel room was so low class, but so high class, like the owner of the motel is like, okay, so here's a twin bed and here's an open door. I was like, I've never been escorted into a room at a motel is like, okay, so here's a twin bed and here's an open door. I was like, I've never been escorted into a room

at a motel and shown around. Well, the guy also knew his name. The guy also knew Mickey Rourke's name. So I'm like, is this where Mickey Rourke lives? I was like, I wanted her to stay in that awesome Airstream and just live out her life doing a couple hours a night behind the glass. And she wasn't getting, she wasn't nude, right? Like she wasn't, like she wasn't like a stripper,

but she was just like- An oddity. She was just something to be seen, a sideshow. Yeah, I think she was just like, yes, the bearded woman or any of the other kinds of sideshow performers that were featured. The funniest thing though is like, yes, she's in very little for much of the movie,

but when they first, when he first gets her out of there and she leaves the trailer and saves him, the first time she saves him and they drive away, she's wearing such like corporate casual outfits. Like she is dressed as like a corporate junior executive, very smartly. I would love it if that's where this went. She just immediately gets a job in middle management in like an office park. Like, and then, and she's like, okay, I can reverse your mortgage.

Hold on one second. Her wing just pops up. Like, I mean, I, I, we don't know where are we? Are we in New Mexico or where are we? Where are we? Arizona. I wrote 30 minutes in and it genuinely feels like the movie hasn't started. No, the movie feels like it never really goes to many places

because his immediate thought is, I am enamored with this woman. I need to meet her, I need to follow her. And you feel like he's in love with her. And then the next scene, he's like, let me sell her. Let me sell her to this gangster for a million dollars. Yeah. And I loved that scene, though.

The scene where Mickey Rourke and Megan Fox are off standing on the, sitting on the top of the car or whatever, and then there's the music venue and Bill Murray and his right-hand man sit in the empty seats of a giant music venue, watching Solomon Burke, a legitimate legend, watching Solomon Burke do a sound check, which is easily the best part of the movie,

and then the doors to the back of the venue open completely and we get a perfect view of Megan Fox like a mile away, who just says to Mickey Rourke, do you wanna see my wings? Well, the best part too is before that, a woman came up to, a woman came up, she was a young lady,

also dressed in corporate casual, also looks like she is a manager, you know, of a small team in corporate America and gives them a note. And then she wrote, I mean, it was just so bizarre. And she says she did it for $20. I'm like, honey, you get a paycheck every two weeks. It's probably direct deposit. Yeah. Yeah. You can complain.

You can complain about this on Slack. I will say also, I love... There's no such thing really as a bad Bill Murray performance. And I actually love how oddly restrained he is. It reminds me a little bit of like Mad Dog and Gloria movie that I really enjoyed from back in the day. It's like, um... But like, he's playing this gangster, this tough guy,

but he's really low-key, but then has these moments where he does like, get the fuck out of here, like that, he pushes her out of the way. And he, you get, I don't know, I love him in this. I'll tell you this, he was a replacement because one actor started shooting the movie for three days.

Oh. And the director said, yeah, he just was too nervous to be acting with Mickey Rourke, so he's like, you know what, I can't, I can't, I can't handle this anymore, I gotta leave. And then Bill Murray called up the director, the director and writer on Christmas day. And Mitch is like, hey man, can you help me out?

And Bill Murray read the script on Christmas day and said, I'm in. And Bill Murray just stepped in to be happy. That's so weird because he's such a, especially in this era is when Bill Murray still has that kind of mystique of, it's impossible to reach him. He's so picky and choosy.

He only does the things he wants to do and they're really high value for him or whatever. So the fact that he's in this, I'm just like, this is a head scratcher. I understand what Mickey Rourke is doing here. Wait, is this before or after the wrestler? After. It's after. Yes or after the wrestler? After. It's after.

Yes. After the wrestler, wow. Yes, because he felt that Mickey Rourke was being put into too many roles where he was just like a meathead, a lunkhead, a bruiser. Yeah. And here's the thing. This guy wrote, as one of the writers, of Scrooged.

So I think Bill Murray has a relationship with them and they have their friendship. So that's what I think it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Like I do, I just want to see more Happy. I love Happy. I mean, even when Happy is sitting watching her

like put on makeup or like, and tells that monologue about why he's happy because he was so sad as a kid. I'm like, I'm in, I'm into this, whatever this is. But he doesn't, he can't hit a wrong note. He just, every choice he makes is interesting. It's great, yeah. When he takes Megan Fox away from Mickey Rourke

and is like, okay, she's gonna come with me and you get out of here, I genuinely was like, I hope we follow Bill Murray and Megan Fox and when Mickey Rourke breaks into the house and finds them like watching old black and white movies in the projection room, I was like, let's stay here. Please let her stay here. And she seems quite comfortable there.

They seem like they're having a nice time. One of my favorite lines in this movie, aside from, do you wanna see my wings, was right before that, she fucking slams Mickey York where she says to him, she's asking him about his career and you know what happened. And then she goes, you were handsome. What happened?

What happened? Yeah. I laughed so hard. I mean, I had some laughs. My favorite like dialogue moment is, we have just watched the first 20, 30 minutes of the film. And then Mickey Rourke gets on the phone with Kelly Lynch and she just says, describes the plot verbatim back to him.

Wait a second. So you're telling me you went out to a desert. You got shot. You got saved by some Native Americans and then you went to a carnival, you met a girl and then you got in a truck and you drove to this place. I was like, whoa, why are we doing this? We just saw it.

I loved her character though. I loved that we met her tanning up there in that bathing suit that must have been terrible for tan lines and winter boots. And winter boots that came up mid-calf. What an unbelievable... I was like, what a strange tan line that's gonna be. That tan line and then also the bathing suit, which had just like mesh cutouts.

And the contraption she had built up there on that roof. I like that contraption. Me too. My question was... Very Jack McRae. contraption she had built up there on that roof. I like that contraption. Me too. My question was, did you think her being, laying out on the roof, did you say very Jack McRare? Yeah. Her being out on the roof, this is a real question.

Do you feel like that was somehow an homage to her in Roadhouse? Where they laid out on the roof in Roadhouse. This is not a real question, but that's, I was like, oh, I wonder if they're trying to do a thing here. One of the things that I loved was, there's this moment where early, when Mickey Rourke and Megan Fox escape the carnival, and they're out in the desert

at a gas station or something, I can't remember what, but she's off to the side and she's letting her wings out and she's kind of catching a draft. I know what you're saying. Right, and it's this moment, it's all green screen, but she's kind of catching a draft and blah, blah, blah. And there's a little kid wandering around with a camera and taking pictures and Mickey Rourke is like,

hey, let me borrow that camera for a second. He takes a picture of Megan Fox and then half an hour later, Mickey Rourke is like, hey, let me borrow that camera for a second. He takes a picture of Megan Fox, and then half an hour later, Mickey Rourke is in a dark room. He's in a physical dark room developing that one picture. So he either stole that- And smoking, by the way, around a lot of liquid chemicals. Yes. He either stole that kid's camera or the film.

I don't know which, but it is crazy that he's in a dark, how does he have access to a dark room? And it's in 2011 where it's like very easy to print the picture quickly. Like it's not, yeah. Yeah, go to his CVS or a Rite Aid. I mean, the crazy thing is I think he must have, I think he must have stolen the film.

I think he took the camera. He's not finding that kid. Or who knows? This fucking guy, this way... Well, right after that, we have to watch a sex scene between the two of them. That was so fucking unacceptable. Holy shit. I wanna get into the sex scene. I just wanna say one thing about that photo. When he does take the photo of her, she goes, if you like it, you'll delete it.

Like, it's like, who, who, who, who, who, what? Who is it? Where is this going? It's not like, like, she doesn't know the plan. Like, and she's like, just if you don't, if I don't like it. Like, I'm like, and meanwhile, it's like, oh, she doesn't want people to see her, but yet she's in the carnival. But then she's also literally, there are six foot tall posters of her at the carnival.

So it's like, what? She just wanted photo approval. What's happening? OK, but yes, let's, I just wanted to talk about it. And then's like, what? She just wanted photo. What's happening? Okay, but yes, let's, I just wanted to talk about, and then yes, let's talk about this sex scene between a 23 year old and a 57 year old man. This actually enraged me.

This was chilling. I was like, I'm protesting. I want, this is, this is not okay. No, this, this ain't okay. And by the way, it's like, I feel bad for her because I feel like everybody is like, I feel like it's a bunch of older dudes who are just like, oh God, she's so hot, she's so hot.

Like it just feels like, and she's got to do all this kissing up on everybody. It's like, oh. It was so unacceptable. Oh, there's so, yes, there's too much, and big open mouth kisses. Big, like, big enveloping hands and kisses. I know it's like the only thing I wanted for her

cause I knew it was coming and I was like, all I wanna see is like her head sort of turned to the side, you know, a tight shot and then his head kind of facing forward around her neck and just like humping her. That I could accept. Like, okay, you don't have to look at him, just lay there like a dead rat. I wanted the wings to cover everything.

I wanted the wings to be up and just see. Yes. And a little movement. By the way, that would have been awesome. What we had to witness. What we had to see. And I'm sorry. This literally made me want to leave. I'm sorry. I wanted to leave the industry of film and television.

Cause I'm just like, show me an old, wrinkly, saggy woman who gets to be on screen, fucking a hot 23 year old man. Like, please. I, this is, This is not acceptable. I mean, I don't know why it grossed me out so much, but they kind of show her plumage flying off because of the fucking, like, one feather just flies off like Faris Gump style.

And it oddly- Oh, are you kidding? I fucked the feathers right off of her. And it lands in the front stoop of the hotel. I'm like, what? Oh. And the hotel owner finds it? Yeah, he's like, hey, good job.

Multiple people find single feathers and look at them like contemplatively, like, huh, what must this be? It's a bird feather asshole, keep walking. How did this get me? How did this get me? What's his redemption? I mean, if this is like his redemption, right?

Like we know that happy Bill Murray is a bad guy. Not only does, well, his wife cheats on him with Mickey Rourke and he has her kid. That's what we understand. Poor woman. We never meet her, right? Never meet her. And so she's killed.

And so the only thing that we know that's bad about Mickey Rourke is that he had an affair, which is not like, okay, like I don't see like we need this redemption arc for him, like his redemption. Well, don't forget about what happened with him and Annie Poole. What happened with him and Annie Poole? Oh, Paul, Annie Poole.

The story he tells us? Oh, I forgot about the story. He made an Annie Poole. That was the love of his life. I think this was like a post-coital scene between the two of them. And he... So you might've fast forwarded through it.

I was doing a lot of 10 seconds ahead in places. He made an antipool. Antipool was the love of his life. And she was totally clean, but she just wanted, and she was perfect, and he was deeply in love with her. But in order for her to spend time with him, she had to start getting high. And then that killed her.

Well, that, by the way, I'm glad that they revealed this ending that was a setup because when he meets that girl, the tattooed girl in the bar- Loved her tattoos. Loved her tattoos. Loved her tattoos. What a reveal. Great, great reveal. Actually went and rewound that scene.

That's the best part of the movie. I'm sorry. And she's like, let's get you all warmed up. Let's get you warmed up. And she like shoots heroin into him. That's, I wish that had been at the beginning. I wish that scene had been at the beginning of the movie because then I would understand where this,

why and how this guy has fallen to this level. Or it's also an interesting way to be like, oh, this all doesn't make sense because it's a hazy dream. Again, I don't know if anyone can answer this, but I don't know that heroin is like a fuck drug, is it? Like, cause she's like, oh, let's get you warmed up.

Like I would imagine you do heroin, you're not really in the mood to have sex. Well, because it's better than having sex. Like people prefer it. So I think he was just like, he didn't wanna do the heroin, he didn't really have a choice, he couldn't really say no.

Well, but she kept on saying, let's get you warmed up, let's get you warmed up, as if this is like the first step of a night of- Oh, I see what you're saying. I think, I think, I don't know. Maybe I'm doing work for the movie here, but there's a world in which it is not a sex scene,

it is a heroin scene. Okay. You know what I mean? Like it's not about them fucking, it's about them, it's about almost sexualize. The act that is being consummated is shooting up. Can I just say one thing, Paul? Yeah. I couldn't understand why he's being presented to us,

that the movie is presenting him as like this crazy ladies man that every woman wants to fuck. Yeah. Until we saw the scene of him in the bar and watched him make that lemon move. FLIRTING. And turn into a little creature. With the red napkin over it.

I, first of all, didn't, I'm like, oh, he's gonna make the lemon disappear? That's a crazy scene. I'm like, or, I'm like, what is happening here? Like, I don't... And she, well, I guess we'll find out later that she was duping him, but she did seem into it. Now, do you think that that was written in the script

or was that all day long? That is a Mickey Rourke special, because he is getting drunk at a bar, and normally you're in front of peanuts, he's in front of a bunch of lemons, as if he's making his own shots and cutting his own juice for, uh, like, because he, like, he's like, I know, I know how to impress a girl. Like, like, I feel like this is a lot of Mickey works own moves.

For those of you listening who haven't seen the movie, he takes a lemon, he puts it on the bar, and then he takes a red napkin, unfolds it so it's kind of a very big square. He puts the napkin over the lemon, sort of puts his hand underneath behind and then rolls the lemon so it sort of looks like a little creature moving across the bar. And that alone wins him the hand of the beautiful tattooed woman. Like she is so charmed by this.

I just want to say one more thing, June, the way that you described it there is 10 times more impressive than what it looks like on film. It looks as if like, yes, he's like, Oh, can we do it again? Cause I didn't get it. I didn't get that. I didn't get what I wanted. He doesn't get it in the take they used. He messes up and then has to restart.

That's the best footage they had of this parlor trip. And I feel like they did that. The director was like, hey, let's do one more, but let's maybe not do the napkin thing. And he was like, no, no, you got it. Let's move on. Well, this is, by the way, this is the way that I feel like this movie

was run a little bit. This director and writer felt like he really wanted to give Mickey Rourke like this amazing role. Mickey Rourke has come out and said so much negative stuff about this movie that is hilarious. But this is the one thing where it feels like he just bullied his way through most scenes because this is a story that both men agree to, that Mickey kept on saying,

you know, Kelly should be a stripper in the movie. And the director's like, no, no, no, she's just a bar, this is his wife, by the way. He's like, no, she's just a bar, the director's wife. The director's wife. No, no, she's just a bartender. Mickey's like, yeah, but like a bartender stripper. And he's like, no, just a bartender.

And then he's like, she should take her clothes off in the movie. And the director's like, all right, yeah, but like a bartender stripper. And he's like, no, just a bartender. And then he's like, she should take her clothes off in the movie. And the director's like, all right, yeah, we'll let her take her clothes off in the movie. Like, it was like, he just bullied this director to make his wife... Wow. Scantily clad. She's not naked, but scantily clad.

I know I've told this story before, but I feel like it's, it makes sense in this context. Like, so, I heard Aronofsky interviewed about the wrestler who is saying so much of his job every day was to somehow intercede with Mickey Rourke's, like attempts to constantly have sunglasses or eyeglasses on his head, sunglasses specifically, so that Aronofsky would have them check Rourke's wardrobe, because he would hide sunglasses in his wardrobe and then pull them out in the middle of scenes and put them on, which would ruin the take.

And he because Aronofsky, we need to be able to see your eyes. And he'd be like, no, no, no, no, no. My guy's hiding. My guy's hiding. You know, and it's like it. But it is this bull. And so left unchecked, you get this. This is what you know. Yeah. And and, you get this. This is what, yeah. And you also get this thing where he's wearing that coat,

and that coat has become the biggest prop. He's wearing an overcoat over a leather coat, over a little underwear shirt. And when he's talking to Megan Fox outside that trailer, he's just pulling the coat together. It's so cold. It's so cold. He's always so cold. But then other times he's not to Megan Fox outside that trailer. He's like, just pulling, pulling the coat together. It's so cold, it's so cold. He's always so cold. But then other times he's not cold at all.

But a lot of work, a lot of... A lot of coat work, hat work. All externals. Mickey Rourke loves externals. That's why when he's naked, it felt so crazy to me. I was like, put stuff, I need stuff back on you. Yeah, more, put some more chains on. Please.

It's really interesting, cause it's like you forget, unless you, modern Mickey Rourke is really doing a lot of work to erase an incredible early career. Like he was one of the next generation talents in that, in what you were saying, Paul, that Pope of Greenwich Village era of Mickey Rourke. And he's this electric, compelling,

like such a hyperkinetic performer. And now it is so bizarre to watch, frankly. It's, I'm obsessed with him as an actor because so much of what it is now seems like artifice and something that's not quite there, but in the scene where he sells his trumpet to Rurik Akron, it's a silent scene, just music, it's, he like legitimately broke my heart. When he is plaintively, clearly, not wanting to let go of this instrument, I thought that was an incredible, like, I don't know, 20 seconds of performance.

Oh, I was so happy. I was like, yeah, you motherfucker, like, you don't get the thing you love. Like, I couldn't... Jason, I was so thrilled. Yeah. But he keeps the spit valve, like, he keeps the little, or the mouthpiece. No, he keeps the spit valve, like he keeps the little, or the mouthpiece.

No, he keeps the mouthpiece. And then for the rest of the movie, he's like sucking on it, like it's always in his mouth, like, just like... I... It's like a toothpick, and he does also have a toothpick in the movie as well. What's happening in the laundromat when he meets his friend who's shoeless?

Oh, yeah. I thought... Footloose and fancy-free. And I was, what was that? Footloose and fancy free. And I was like, is that what footloose and fancy free is? That you don't wear shoes? He's rich. I thought he was washing his socks. OK.

And is this the laundromat where all the jazz musicians go? Is this like the jazz laundry? Well, they got to do their laundry somewhere. Jazz laundry. Jazz laundry is the small place that I open. This is the kind of movie that when there is action, like there's a certain point Mickey Rourke gets beaten down. Yeah.

Right, the bad guy's right-hand man gives him a beat down. But we don't watch it, we watch one punch, and then we listen to the rest of it as the camera drifts over and just films a newspaper being blown in the wind. That is Mickey Rourke being like, it's the Vin Diesel, the rock thing. It's like, you're not gonna.

I can't be beaten up. Yes. Yep, cause you know, you know Mickey Rourke until recently, like well into his sixties was like training and boxing in like boxing matches in Russia or something like that. Like he was doing like boxing, like internationally, training and like doing heavy boxing matches. I thought if I may that like post all the surgery

that that ended, but I guess not, huh? In 2014, at the age of 62, three years after this movie, he was boxing in Russia and he defeated Elliot Seymour in Moscow. What? So he, yeah, he was going long after this movie. What a character. What an absolute weird character.

I mean, I guess he started, like, I'm looking at his IMDB. He was boxing at a young age, at 12 years old. He was a flyweight. And then he won the Golden Gloves in 71, the Florida Golden Gloves. And, uh, and so that was like his, that was his start of his career. And, uh, he was trained by, oh, this is great,

Hells Angel, uh, he was trained by, oh, this is great. Hell's angel, uh, Chuck Zito. Oh, Chuck Zito. Yeah. And Freddie Roach also trained him. Wow. Wow. And that's like the big reason why he's had so much plastic surgery is because he, his face got so fucked up in these fights.

Huh? Oh geez. I'm looking, this is really a wild, like, his IMDB is wild. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. I mean, but he's still kicking around. I mean, like, that's the other thing, too. It's like, I think he's still acting as if he was from the 80s.

Like, he's still got that, like, I'm the hottest guy. People are still giving him roles that have the gravitas of a star from the 80s. Yeah, it's just. This movie is is, he is Jesus Christ in the movie. He's a Christ-like character in this movie. Except the problem is, yeah, except the problem is he sells, he's trying to sell this woman off into prostitution slash indentured servitude.

Like that's who this movie is about. Yes. Dream or no dream. Like if this is his best case scenario, if this is his Jacob's letter scenario, it's like, well, how are we supposed to root for this character in any way when that was his plan? In no uncertain terms. Yeah.

Well, his plan first, his plan first actually was terms. Yeah, well his plan first, his plan first actually was to split the profits. 65, 35. Yeah, right. He wanted in on the deal. And the end game, and I agree that like, it looks like she's living a pretty good life with Bill Murray.

They're watching movies. She seems not happy, but not, she's well off. She seems happier, I think. Actually, no, I still maintain that she was happiest in the Airstream. I maintain that this is a character that these creators are not interested in investigating or revealing even remotely. She is a, like, a muse kind of character.

We're not, she is given, we're not given any access and nor is anybody curious to her interiority, right? She is just beautiful. Let me pitch this version of it. Happy was married to Megan Fox. He had an affair with her. Happy kills her and then goes to kill Mickey Rourke. And then Mickey Rourke has this dream

of like kind of redeeming that. I mean, I guess maybe he's redeeming the death of his. Annie Poole. But I feel like that's the thing. It's like, cause Bill Murray brings her to a museum or they're having a museum event. What's that museum event? There's like, it's an angel scene.

But then later on in the movie, like it seems like a day or two later, it's revealed that Bill Murray also has a private club where rich guys go to look at a non-naked Megan Fox. Just a, like Venus de Milo just covering her. Yeah, just an oddity. So she is again an oddity where Bill Murray sits in the upper bulk, watching.

A true balcony monster. Watching this. I mean, what in the world? Well, one of my favorite moments of the BCM scene is when Bill Murray is being interviewed because there is some roaming press at the party and the woman says to him, and my next question,

what's going on with the two federal indictments? All right. I'm just gonna go with that. What's going on with the two federal indictments? Ah! Ah! Ah! Temporary with the- Like racketeering and like, and then she details what they are. But by the way, this is a thought I had,

and I just was looking at Bill Murray, and I was like, do you think this is Bill Murray doing Kevin Spacey? Cause there was something about the way that he was acting that reminded me of Kevin Spacey. Like, I don't, maybe it was the hair or the glasses. The hair was, the hair piece was very... Spacey.

Fake, you know, seeming. I just looked at that, and then the other thing that jumped out at me was when she's in her trailer, living her good life, in that Airstream, she goes to get him gin. Ugh, just two people just drinking straight gin. Disgusting. Warm. He describes it as warm gin.

Disgusting. And she grabs the bottle, and the title of the bottle is Gordon Shumway. And I was like, Gordon Shumway, what's his name? That's Alf. And that was Alf's name on Melmac. Oh. And I don't know if that's a set designer, kudos to you. Gordon Shumway Jinn, oh my God, that was great.

This movie was true nonsense to watch. It really, it doesn't add up. It's one of those movies that because there's so, because it's a, now we know, a dream-like piece of like fictional storytelling inside the protagonist's brain, it makes sense that it makes no sense, and it feels dream-like. But that's a fucking cheat.

It makes me angry. It's a cheat. But it is, I agree. I agree when you learn it makes no sense until the best version of these movies makes sense and then the reveal makes them make a different kind of sense. This movie makes no sense,

then it kind of makes sense, but it makes it worse. It just kind of says all your issues, don't worry about them because it didn't make a difference anyway. Yeah. I will tell you obviously we had opinions about this movie.

There are people out there that had a different opinion, but not many. It is now time for second opinions. ["Humanity"] What is the message? Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion. All right, so a lot of people don't even know this movie existed. And probably because it was only released in two theaters. It had its premiere at the Toronto Film Festival to great consternation.

I don't know, people were not happy with this movie. The director apparently re-edited it and he goes, this is actually the movie I wanted to make, but it still didn't really, it really was- He re-edited into this? Yeah, I mean, yes, this is the thing. And I think that some of the reviews include things like, perversely eccentric and inert,

hard to take itself as seriously as the movie does. But there are people out there who liked it. There are 200 reviews, 50% are five-star reviews, and each one of them feel oddly the same way. They are telling me things, but not showing me the world. You'll see, Craig in 2014 wrote, this film, Passion Play, is different. You could call it something like a film noir if you're into that terminology, but it doesn't just fit into those boxes. It goes beyond them. You have a big gamut of human experience,

hopelessness, hope, unfeeling, caring, disrespect for others, heeding others, and what they ask for, love, friendship, fear, bravery, freedom, dependence, escape, capture, happiness, despair, the emotional interdependence of these three main characters. Rourke's desperate musician, Fox's captive bird woman, and Murray's implacable gangster makes for an unholy triangle.

Plus, to describe them in the ways that they are risk limiting how they portray them through the story. What? Plenty to watch, process, and understand. Five stars glued to the screen. the story. What? Plenty to watch, process and understand. Five stars glued to the screen, so good. Wow. I mean, to have had that experience watching this,

hey, pretty, I mean, wow. I am realizing, I just saw that the tagline is love is stronger than death. And I am now, I'm going back to what you were saying, Paul, about Megan Fox, about Lily Luster standing in and maybe she is, maybe Lily Luster is Annie Poole. Because the other thing that I wanted to mention is when the Annie Poole story is coming out,

Megan Fox is crying. Well, it's a sad story. He is telling you about how he killed his true love. I guess, but it... I think the question you're trying to ask is, in the movie's logic, is he working out the Annie Poole death regret inside of now his dying?

Is he trying to kind of exorcise or redeem his own mind by saving someone, by offsetting that, this thing that he thinks he did. But he also, like he saves somebody, puts them in danger, saves them again. Like it's like he's responsible for, I mean, I guess at the end she's free, so it all works out, but I am still,

I don't know. Well, they fly off together to heaven? They appear to fly to heaven together because- That's the resurrection? Yes, so I think they definitely fly off together to heaven and I guess because knowing she's that, Annie Poole's already dead. So she's dead too? That maybe Annie Poole is in this,

the Jacob Sider scenario is an angel. And yeah, that this whole thing is sort of reconciling his part. Yeah, he's trying to make something right. You know, I did wrong in my past. Now's my chance to do something right. Even though I'm gonna do something wrong. The past, now's my chance to do something right finally before I die.

Even though I'm gonna do something wrong. And the reality is too late. Before I do the right thing. It doesn't matter, too late. You died already and none of these people are real. This is just your mind trying to convince you you're a good person as you die. Now, John Knight also gave it five stars,

also in 2014 says, an impressive list of movie heavyweights carry through a singular tale that could, or could not be real. The movie moves through the underbelly of America and a broad span of the human condition. Muted America? And emotions, nice music with a brief appearance

by U.S. legend Salman Burke and tunes from legendary Alan Toussaint and Aaron Neville, clip joints, indigenous Americans, freaks, cheap motels, big horizons, and long roads, shining night skies wrap around the story of desire, jealousy, owning, sharing, tricking, and taking one's chance. Gangsters, classy dames, tortured artists all weave into the careful tracing

of feelings and life's challenges. An impressive list of movie heavyweights, five stars. I mean, people are reading a lot into it. Meanwhile, Alejandro just says, I like this movie a lot because it has drama and action. It's a great movie to watch. It has good stars too, five stars. I recommend this to a friend because it has drama and action. It's a great movie to watch. It has good stars too. Five stars. I recommend this to a friend to buy. They're gonna like it too.

Hey, if you've got at least two Murray brothers in your movie, I'm gonna five stars it. And Brian Delmer is great. He's always great. Got back on Friday. It is Friday. Yeah. In a completely black space. There's nothing, they're not in a location. They're not on a set. It is a black void. They have a sound a location, they're not on a set, it is a black void.

They have a sound stage. This movie had a sound stage with a green screen, they shot a majority of the stuff. Low, this is a low-budge thing all across, I mean, wow, wow, wow. And as Mickey Rourke said about this film, it's a terrible movie, but you know, in your career, in all the movies you make,

you're gonna make a dozen of terrible ones. It's gonna terrible movie, but you know, in your career and all the movies you make, you're gonna make a dozen of terrible ones. It's gonna get not wide released because it's not very good. And this was made by his good friend of 15 years. So really. It really is. I can't, if you are listening to this and you haven't watched the movie,

I'm not saying watch the movie. I mean, go ahead and watch the movie. It's absolutely bananas. But check it out a little bit because I mean, go ahead and watch the movie. It's absolutely bananas. But check it out a little bit because I mean it when I say this movie feels like it's from a different time. It feels like an indie movie from the 90s or even the 80s at times.

It felt to me like, and I don't mean this in the sexual way, but like a Cinemax movie where it's like, it really is just like Red Shoe Diaries-esque, it's very slow. It's like we're just watching a person walk down a street for a long time. Oh yeah. I had it, I had in my calendar, passion play

and then in parentheses 2010. And so I kept on, as I'm watching the movie, I kept on freaking out. Like if this can't be, this can't be right. This was the movie I'm looking for was made in 2010. This isn't, this couldn't possibly be it. I felt the same, June, so much so that I looked it up to see, oh, was it shot in the nineties, shelved,

and it was only released in 2000? Like it made so little sense to me. Paul, like, will you tell us what are like movies that came out in 2000? That's a great question, Ari. So 2010. Yeah, like Barbie. I mean.

Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Avatar. Ah. Yeah, the big movies of 2010,

and looking at it right here are, let's see, 127 hours. Inception, the big movies of 2010, and looking at it right here, are... Let's see, 127 hours. Inception, The Town. This came out the same year as Inception. This is, you know, The Other Guys, Magruder, you know, Get Him to the Greek, Hot Tub Time Machine, Cyrus. You know, it's like this is... These movies all feel like modern movies, contemporary movies,

even though they're now 15 years old or whatever, but nonetheless, this movie, the movie we watched, feels like it's 30 years old. Yeah, the social network. I mean, they even think that this movie came out in the time when there was a social, when there was Facebook is crazy. Scott Pilgrim versus the world, kick ass. Well, that's the thing is, nobody has a phone in this movie.

Nobody has a cell phone in this movie. There's no computers. There's no technology. One of the things that everybody says, like all the people involved, Mickey Rourke and the director and writer, like, they had no idea who Megan Fox was. Nobody had seen Transformers.

No one even knew that she was an actor. So it does seem like they were kind of out of it. And it does feel like this movie was written as a 50s movie about like a detective and a dame. And they think they've kind of, they didn't change much. I see. Okay, that makes more sense then. It was a period piece. Well, here's what I would argue.

If you're gonna change it from a period piece, you gotta go through that whole script and just kind of update all the scenes. Wow. I mean, so I guess the question is, would you recommend watching it? And I'm kind of with you in saying, it is worth watching it because it is uniquely different than anything that I've seen.

Yes. Yeah. It's so weird. Again, for me, it all was worth it to see her swooping, flying, and pick up like you were. I truly... And that's the end. Those are the last images, really. And I was so delighted by that.

I was so taken with it. I thought it was so hilarious. And I thought it was so humiliating for him that for me, because I found this entire movie and Megan Fox being 23 and Mickey Rourke being 200 years old. Like to be so. Wait, how old did you say he was? I believe it was, uh, 50, 54 to 23 or no, 57 to 23.

Okay. I just want to be clear. Mickey Rourke in this movie is 57. I am currently 52. I just, I just, that to me, I'm saying that and it's funny, but I will hang up this Zoom meeting soon and I will have a crisis. No, because Jason, first of all, I don't know that I have to be honest. I don't know if I believe he's 57 in this movie. Like, I just don a crisis. No, because Jason, first of all, I don't know that I have to be honest. I don't know if I believe he's 57 in this movie.

Like, I just don't know. I think he's very hard. And I think he might have shaved a number, like a decade off of his age. But I had so much trouble with this movie. I was so deeply, deeply disturbed by what I was watching between the two of them that seeing her fly with him like that,

I needed it. And it put me at ease. Um, obviously, I didn't, I simply didn't understand the ending and I thought, oh, well, that's strange that the henchman's still there, but, you know, a couple days later, his body has, that's strange that the henchman's still there. But, you know, a couple of days later, his body has, doesn't seem to have been picked over by vultures or anything, but okay.

Here's what I would say about that flyover scene. At the end, it is, like she picks him up, she's flying. And we're, I think we're supposed to be transported to this amazing world where you're like, now they're in the clouds, it's her dream. She's always wanted to fly. She's never been able to fly. And the landscape is so ugly.

It's desert, but it's not daylight, it's like dusk in the desert, so it's dark, like nothing pops, it looks like, it's like, oh, if I was a bird, it's not that good. Sounds like dusk in the desert could be beautiful, but it wasn't. It wasn't. There's nothing cinematic in the movie. You know, it's, yeah.

Oh, heavens no. Yeah. But it really is like, the movie was really interested in telling a good story. As they're flying over Mickey Rourke's dead body in the desert, she's got him hooked under his armpits, flying him around, and he sees it and he's like, oh, now I get it.

I wish she had dropped him at that moment, dropped him into his body, and then we follow her as she flies away to a better life. Like, she should be, I want, I don't want, I don't wanna know the end of Mickey Rourke's story. I want, I'm rooting for Megan Fox to get away from everybody in this movie. She, I want her to, she should have dropped him

and gone to heaven herself, but also I'm like, so the first movie moment that she's free, I know it's in his head, but the first moment she's free, she's now dead too? Good ending? I mean, she's now dead too? Good ending? I mean, that's sad to me. She's finally free and dead. Well, she's dead because she doesn't exist.

Okay. Yeah, she's not dead. She's just a figment of his imagination. So when he dies, it lights out really for everyone, but mainly for her. I am utterly stunned. And every now and then, it's lights out really for everyone, but mainly for her. I am utterly stunned. And every now and then it's a jaw dropper. Well, it's interesting because when you see the end

of the movie, you realize why it's so bad. It's because the person who's written the terrible movie you just watched was the Mickey Rourke character. Yes. Yes. Oh boy. All right, well, this is, so I mean, I guess we've decided it's worth it

for the final scene, which I'm sure you could watch online. And I mean, wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, it reminded me of, what was the Ryan O'Neil movie we watched where he does like a, Oh, yes. He tells like a monologue in the ocean

or something like that. It has that kind of an amateur's, an amateur vibe, you know? Yeah, I mean, listen, it's honestly, it's an amateur vibe, but with big stars. So it's like, it's- Some of whom are doing great work. And so it is something to see. And I will say, I was absolutely stunned

that I'd never heard of this, didn't know anything about that. I mean, it's really, there's a lot of work to be done. I mean, this is, I'm gonna keep on saying it, it's a dad core movie. It's like a dad going like, I could do this. I got this. I'm a fan of movies.

I'm gonna write, like dad, you're retired. It's like, I'm writing a movie. I'm gonna write a movie about a beautiful angel, all the things that dad's like. Yeah, jazz, he finds a carnival, they drink hot gin. He rescues an angel. A beautiful woman loves me and kisses me up all over my body.

I fuck her wings off. I save her from the plastic surgeon. Like, yeah, it's like it's such a- She's 23, I'm an old rump roast. Uh, oh my gosh. All right, well, I mean, I think we've done it and wow, wow, wow, Avril picked another banger. Incredible.

Another banger. And like June, I'd never heard of it. I'd never heard of it. And I really wanna like, what I wanna look up is that woman with the tattoos. I'm so taken with those tattoos. Oh yeah, her tattoos were, and that's a visual, so that to me was visually

Interesting. I was like, oh this person there's there the world of tattoo lady Junkie jazz musician scuzzy kind of motel life. I'm like, okay What's this no, but it's only told in that 30 seconds of the of the film, you know It that's I'm saying it just it feels feels like it's a movie of a different time. What's very funny is that we're saying it feels like it's from a different time, and I'm sure there are people being like, yeah, 15 years ago.

I know, that is, that's- That is a different time. And with that, we say, we pit you adieu. All right, Jason, did you have anything you want to promote, tell anybody about? Well, we're going on tour in- That's right. Oh yeah, great.

Yeah. So let's definitely talk about that. End of March, early April, we're going to be in Los Angeles. We're going to be in Austin. We're going to be in Boise, the Tree Fort Music Festival. Here's the thing. You can buy a ticket individually.

You don't have to just buy a ticket to the music festival. So there's two ways you can go. If you have a ticket for the thing, you can buy a ticket individually. You don't have to just buy a ticket to the music festival. So there's two ways you can go. If you have a ticket for the festival, great. If you don't, you could buy a ticket separately. And then Jason, where are we going after that? Do you remember from last night? San Francisco. Sorry, it's Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle,

San Francisco, Portland. And then LA is now in the beginning, not the end. So I guess technically it's LA, Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland. And then you go to HDTGM.com to get your tickets and information will release the movies shortly. The movies for LA are released because we move those shows. All right, so come check us out on the road.

Yes, I'm getting very excited about it. Me too. I cannot getting very excited about it. Me too. I cannot wait. Cannot wait. They've been clamoring for us in Boise and baby. We coming. We're coming to town. And I gotta tell you, Denver,

we've owed you a show for a very long time and they showed up immediately. Day one, it was like we're almost sold out because of Denver. Oh, that's cool. Cannot wait. Also make sure you check out Dark Web, a brand new series starring Rob Hubel and me every week. Go to watch the dark web.com.

It is a super fun show where we dig deep into the internet and find weird things like scissor commercials and urine looping and paintball self-defense. We put it all together in a free little package for you on YouTube every single week. So check out watch the dark web.com and then you'll get to the YouTube page and all that good stuff. Also, Jason is on invincible. That's right. Invincible is back on Amazon prime. It is so good. He is fantastic in it. You're not going to want to miss it at all. People do you like comedy? Are you going to be in the LA area? Well, guess what? On February 27th, Largo is going to be hosting Dinosaur.

Jason and I will be there. Maybe even Jack McBrayer, maybe even Rob Riggle. It is a calvocade of who's who of some of the funniest people. I love doing that show. So come check us out this month at Largo. A big thank you to our producer Cody Fisher Molly Reynolds a big Goodbye to one of our producers Matt Appadaka who was with us for a short period of time, but we wish him so well

I mean and we mean that from the bottom of our heart not in a negative like oh we wish him Well, good luck kid. No, we love Matt He is off to another company and he is gonna kill it. Also a big giant thank you to Averill Halley, our movie picking producer. She found a gem in this one. You can follow her online at Movie Bitches. You can check out all of the, how did this get made merch at tpublic.com

slash stores slash HDTGM. People, the most important part now is you. If you have something that you wanna share, something that you feel like we might have missed in Passion Plate, something that we didn't know, give us a call at 619-PAUL-ASK-619. Paul asked to leave a comment or a question. You can also just leave it on our discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM. And next week we will turn the spotlight on you.

And I can only imagine what you're going to have to say about this show. And next week, we will turn the spotlight on you. And I can only imagine what you're going to have to say about this show. All right. That brings us to the end of the episode. Bye for now. See you next week. Outro music. Outro music.

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