How Did This Get Made? - Sleepaway Camp w/ Zack Pearlman (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

This week, Paul, Jason, and June, welcome Zack Pearlman to discuss the 1983 film, Sleepaway Camp. The crew tries their hardest to figure out this movie, from the who's-who of it all to trying to make sense of the geography and economics of the camp, to Robert Earl Jones (father to James Earl Jones) appearance in this film. • L.A. listeners! Register to attend a free special HDTGM show on 10/15 at www.siriusxm.com/podcastsmonth• New live shows 11/7 in NYC & 11/8 in Philly! Go to hdtgm.com for tix, merch, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Fake mustaches, short shorts, and underage sex. It's not a porno. We saw sleepaway camp, so you know what that means? Now it's time for, how did this get made? We're going to have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater, because you know you wonder, how did this get paid? Let's want to win the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made?

Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I am joined, as always, by my two co-host, June Dianne Reefiel. How are you, June? Good, how are you, Paul? Very good. And Jason Manzukas, how are you, Jason? I'm pretty good. How are you?

Very good. It is Halloween week. This is our Halloween episode, a movie that you picked for us. We came to you, we asked you what is their best Halloween movie. Everyone decidedly picked Sleepaway Camp, and we have a very special guest today with us. Please welcome Zach Pearlman. Hey. Hey, Zach, you can see Zach on his MTV show.

The Inbetweeners airs on Thursday nights. Monday nights. Monday nights. Monday night, the Thursday of the early week. Exactly. Should replay on Thursday nights. All right. I never heard of sleep waking.

Same. Never heard of it. Yeah, I've never, I never knew it existed. And man, now I am so happy that I know. This is crazy. This is one of the most bizarre movies. It kind of feels like the room at the top. Like, you're kind of like, oh, this is bad acting.

It's not really well shot. But this, just so you know, was a real deal film. It was? Yes, it was released. I just want to just set it up. I mean, I get that it's a real movie, but I mean, like, to me, I took it to be a real amateur production. Well, I will say this, that when it opened up, it was number one. It gross a total of $433,000 on the opening weekend, and it was, it knocked out Amityville Horror and 3D.

Really? Yeah. So it made like $11 million at the end of the day. for a movie that only cost $350,000 to make. Okay, because that is shocking to me because this movie is horrible. I mean, it is, that's why I thought. I was like, oh, this is like a low budget movie

that no one should ever see, like, you know, like Jack Frost, he's killing and chilling. No, no, this is like a real. It looked like the camp itself had a class called, Let's Make a Movie. Yes. And this movie came out of it. Yes, it's the final project.

It feels to me, it doesn't feel like, a low budget horror movie you know what I mean like in the sense of like oh you know like shitty horror movies that studios like barf out to capitalize on the fact that people it feels like somebody who's like well my dad owns a summer camp

we could probably shoot a movie there we'll get some cameras we'll get a bunch of short shorts and we'll get everybody we know with terrible Long Island accents crop t-shirts crop t-shirts and short shorts because we can't afford longer shorts or full T-shirts I saw so many outlines of penises in this movie

shit. They're not even shorts. They're just like penis holders. I mean that's all they are. They're cockpaskets. The movie, that, between just the overt pedophilia, the overt pedophilia,

the over-sexualization of the under 12 set, and the short shorts, I was like this movie is insanity. Although I will say that this camp is comprised of 11-year-old campers and 35. Yes. There is literally a 10-minute-long baseball scene

where it looks like 8-year-olds playing 30-year-olds and the 30-year-olds are so mad at these 8-year-olds. Everyone is mad in the film. At all times, everyone is mad. And while watching that baseball scene, they were talking shit, like hard trash-talking and then pitching underhand. Really under.

It was so big. It was just like, and here you go. And, like, lobbing the ball. And the 11-year-olds, rather, are. killing. They are crushing. They're always getting the best of the older kids who are, you know, I'm assuming meant to be like 15, 16 year olds, but are played by 30 year olds. But that's a weird, that was a weird runner in the movie because it doesn't ever pay off. Or did I miss it? No, the baseball game is just the baseball game. What is the point of that baseball game on? I think it's just to show us the, the, the competitiveness between the older kids and the younger kids and like how the older kids are bullies, basically. To me, the way I thought of it was the movie ran 75.

minutes and like we need to add a 10 minute long baseball scene just to get this to a theatrical length because I mean the baseball game like there literally is a scene where someone hits a baseball and there's a kid in the outfield and he's playing a a video game like a handheld boxing video game oh you mean Mozart oh yeah wow you know the kid's name is oh yeah the kid's definitely I did not remember that he called Mozart because we never saw him with because he's a nerd and and he's just a nerd someone from Long Island's like what's a nerd Mozart Art writes music is a nerd. So basically the ball is coming at Mozart, who's on his video game,

his portable video game device. And then he's like, oh no, drops the video game and then catches the ball with no, like it was a lot of tension for no reason. And you would think, you would continue to think that the younger kids are perceived of as nerds and lameos. You know,

but they are always hitting home runs, catching all the balls. Like they are winning all the time. But there's also no tension in this baseball game. I don't know. when it's going to end, what's at stake? It didn't seem like... There was no score.

There was no, no, no point they were like, what's the score? And then one kid goes, I think it's 6-8. I was like, what, you think it is? It's not the best way to do. All right, so let's just go back to the beginning. The movie opens up with one of the best scenes. I would say that... Wait, is it the thing to mom?

Because that said... Oh, the cold open? No, the cold open. The boating scene. Oh, God. This shit is... The title at the beginning, which was in... A fond memory of mom, a doer.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. The movie is dedicated to a mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not like a mom, like, loving woman who, you know, help me through child that. It's a doer. A doer. I would never call my mom that. I thought that was just a title card that some, the person who put this movie on YouTube put up there.

No, I think that that's a part of the movie. I'm assuming it's part of the movie. Yeah, me too. Although your version of it is also fascinating. Yeah. Because for somebody. First, I want, now I want to examine that. Because somebody's like, ooh, I got to upload this bonkers next level crazy horror movie to YouTube.

But I got to do it as a tribute to my mom. Yeah, this is my mom. She did stuff. You know what? The person who put up these movies, it's called Sleep Away Camp TV. So I don't think it's a person dedicating things to their mom. I think it is the way the movie opens. I think the person who made this movie, which is even more sick and twisted, is a love letter to his or her mom.

Do you think the mom was based off of his mom? God, because she's... The mom in this movie is straight up, crazo. By the way, that's an amazing performance. Do we have this? Yes, we do a creepy mom. We're going to play a clip of the mom in this movie. Here we go.

Richard Angela! Oh, here you are. Look what I did. I packed you and your cousin some goodies for the ride up to camp. Wasn't that nice of me? Any chips? Why, of course. I believe there's a whole bag.

I'm almost sure of it. So. Angela, isn't there anything special my little girl would care for? So basically, you see the acting in this. It's not even like bad community theater. It's like bad high school production. From an adult. Was she making a choice?

She was making a choice. and a fine one at that. She's talking as if there are no one there. Because she's, the character is insane. That's, that is true. It is true. The character has gone insane because in the cold open, which you started to talk about, in the cold open, we see a father and two children on a little, like, sailboat in the middle of the lake.

Having a great day. Across, across, just across from the sleepaway camp. Yeah. And they're like, oh, they're having so much fun. And then it cuts to, um, to king. campers, a man, a counselor boy, and a young girl in a speedboat. Yes. With a water skier.

With a water skier. The water skier gives one of the best performances of the movie. It's amazing. The water skier gives an unfathomably good performance in this cold open. Okay. So basically what happens is the sailboat flips over. The kids and the dad are in the water and they've got to swim to shore. Well, the sailboat flips over.

One of the kids throws the dad out of the cell phone. And then the dad calls them schemers. Yes, you schemers. But it's still all in good time. By the way, but by the way, the dad is on the edge of a very small boat no longer than like five feet. And the kids are able to sneak up behind him without him noticing and then just lightly tap him into the water.

I mean, it's the most, it's the worst like scheme ever. He does like a Chevy Chase fall. They are a real couple of schemers So then the schemers and the dad are in the water together The boat flips over, I don't know why Yeah, that's so weird Don't know why Then there's another man

Yeah On the dock Oh, that guy is the best That is just foreshadowing Yes Okay, who says This is where I had some questions He says the dock is on the way

Yeah The dock is on the way The doctor's on the way As we establish later The mother is a doctor through the wonderful line of, even though everyone knows I'm a doctor. Because the mother is given the kids their own physical.

Oh my gosh. Okay, then what happens is this? Oh, I just put that together. Yes. That the doctor is the mother. Yes. The mom, the mother gives the kids her physical. I get it now.

Okay. And he's basically warning the dad because of what we learn later. He's warning it saying your wife is coming back. Yes. Got it. Now, oh, you guys, so that was his wife? That was his wife? No.

Yes. That was the man on the beach's wife. Yeah, yeah. That was the man on the beach's wife. Those two as, I mean, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to give it. No, no, no, yeah, yeah, definitely. The man on the boat is their dad. Right.

That is their wife. The man on shore, spoiler alert, is the dad's lover. No, no. What? It is the dad's lover. No, because that's her cousin. The kids, all right. Okay, okay, let's just break this down without, okay, because I feel like we're dancing, we're dancing around.

We got to walk to the end. By the way, someone had to pitch this. This is my understanding of the movie, okay? Yes. Father and son and daughter are in the sailboat. Yes. Father's lover, a man is on the shore. Yes.

He's saying, hurry back to shore, your wife is coming, the doctor. Yes. Your wife is coming. So he's like, oh, we got to go in. Okay. That's where it's wrong. That's where you're wrong. That's where you're wrong.

Right there is where you're wrong. Because the mother that we met, the creepy mom, that's Angela's cousin. Nope. Ant. Nope. It's Angela's mother. I thought, no. Ricky is her cousin.

Ricky is her cousin. That's what I'm saying. So Ricky is her cousin, so that's her aunt. Because of the end. Guys, that's the misdirect. You're missing the misdirect. That's the misdirect. Okay.

Can we talk about the ending? Okay. No. I guess we have. Wait a second, what is he say, what is he? What is it? This is going to know. Angela, Angela, yes.

Is the daughter of the crazy woman. No. No. No. Ricky. Is the son of the crazy woman. Right. And then the gay lover is that woman's husband.

Wait, say that again. Oh, my God. Say it again. No, he's a cousin. He's gone there. I cannot deal with this Because Ricky and Angela Why does she make

Okay Okay Here's the reason She's getting them to live with them Because she already Because she already has Ricky That's why she's Angela Right

Does that make sense? Say that again, Zach slowly No I'm with this I'm with that Okay So this is the setup We have the father and two children On the boat

Can we just reveal the ending Because I'm getting confused Yes All right All right well basically it's so good and we're pulling it we're all right okay well we don't I mean I do can you okay fine

without explaining the ending I can give you a pretty good I can give you a pretty good okay so we open on two children and their father and without everything else that happens his gay lover is on the shore and his wife is coming

his gay lover's wife His gay, the gay lover's wife, the man who's on the shore. Okay. His wife is coming to meet them with their child. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say this. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where is the dad's wife? It doesn't, it doesn't matter.

But basically this is, oh, come on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. And the surviving child would go to the mother. It's dead. She's dead. She's dead. No, they would explain that. They're going to such length to explain everything.

It's not her mom. It's not her mom. It's definitely not her mom. She's introduced to her, unless your theory is this, which I'm going to posit, because it is possible. Okay, here's a possible theory, which is the mother was originally totally normal because of the, if this is their mother, okay? If this is Angela's mother, the doctor, their mother was completely normal until this horrible, horrific accident happened. It was her husband and one of her kids was killed. Correct.

However, the problem with that theory is that we see a scene later on. with the end of the movie where one of her children is introduced to her. So she must be so bonkers. Okay, this, this, okay. This is the, oh, my God. Guys, so my understanding of the movie

is framed like this. Oh, my gosh. Because of the accident, okay, fuck. If you have not watched this movie, you need just to stop listening right now. Watch it and come back. Okay, because we're now going to talk about the ending. It's on YouTube, just watch the movie.

We have to watch this. I mean, we have not even talked about any of the movie. the movie yet. Let's table this discussion. Table this discussion. Because my understanding of the movie basically is that the mother has like a psychological breakdown and with her surviving child makes a decision that is that provides the insanity that leads to the rest of the movie and that the little boy is normal visitor.

He is the cousin that is taking her to camp. No, because he calls her, the normal visitor. Ricky calls him and goes, oh, that's my mom. Yeah, and... Oh, he does, doesn't he? And also that explanation is if they had a scriptwriter. Yes. That's like if it was a good movie.

Although there is trying, by the way, though there is. You're saying that Angela goes to, just happens to go to live with an insane person? Yes. It's because it's the only living relative. Only living relative. Oh, that's crazy. She's not her relative, you guys. She's not her relative.

Guys, this is crazy. But you're acting like you haven't seen the movie. No, no, no. But there is such an easier explanation that the insanity that happens to Angela is because of the accident. I agree with that. The accident is insane, and then you're telling me she also then happens to go to live with a next level insane person? All right, I think what I'm hearing is this. She would have had to go insane not just because her husband and child died,

but also because she found out there that the guy that the guy that her husband was sleeping with on the land was so emotionally distraught that his lover died that she then also found out that her husband was getting. Here we go. It's revealed that Angela survived and has now lived. living with her eccentric and aunt, Dr. Martha Thomas, and cousin Ricky Thomas. Right. All right.

So there we go. I didn't even know they had last names. We have to get into this movie because we can break in. There's so many things breaking before this amazing ending. Wait, you guys, I just thought of something else, though. Wait. Oh, brother. Okay, so the guy on the land and the guy in the boat are lovers,

but they might also have been brothers. No, no, no, no, no. Well, there is tons of weird incest stuff. Brothers-in-law. How do you know that, though? Because it's the... Wait, no, but the lover isn't killed. Like, the lover, the male on the shore is alive.

But he wouldn't get that. So we never see him again. So he would be married to the crazy mother in theory. Yes, yes, yes. You know, but we never see him again. So the presumption is, my presumption is that he's just a male, like a male lover for the father. He is unrelated to, he's not married to the... The doctor?

I don't think so. That would be... We don't know all the relationships, but there's so much good stuff to break into... This is 1984, though. He could have been married to her. All right, so the movie opens with a boating accident. They're back...

Remember when we started talking about this 10 minutes ago. We're still at the first scene of the movie. There's a water skiing, there's a water skiing couple. There might be no more difficult movie in our history to try and unravel. Well, I think I applaud us for staying. from the ending just for this moment because I feel like if you are not going to watch this movie which you definitely should.

Got to watch it. I feel like we should walk you into the ending. So there is a water skiing thing going on. The kids are in the water with the dad. The water skiers decapitate the father and the son

I guess. A child. A child and a father are killed. And leaving one child alive. Right. And then that That's the cold open of a movie, a senseless decapitation via jet ski or water ski. Wait, do you see a headless body?

No, you actually don't. You just see the body float by. The dad's body and then the child's life preserver. By the way, this movie employs one of the best things I've ever seen, which is the reaction shot, the screaming reaction shot. It goes like, cut to someone screaming, cut to a dead body, cut to someone screaming, dead body, screaming, dead body. And every time the screamer is the water skier.

Did you pull that by any chance? No, because it just says if somebody's screaming. Because here's the thing. Her scream, now it's really the person on the boat's fault who, you know, there's a camper who's a camper who's on the boat. I'm sorry we're still talking about the first two minutes in the movie, but the camper literally the first two minutes of the movie. It is so good, though.

But the camper, she wants to take the wheel from the counselor, so she takes control and she's, for whatever reason, looking back at the water skier. Both of them apparently are. Because the water skier is the only person who sees that they're headed towards a boat. Right. But the water skier's reaction in the water, once she realized this horrible, horrific death has occurred, is like she's done it. I mean, she's taking full responsibility for it. Somebody help them!

Somebody help those people! And then they cut to the two kids in the boat who are arguably responsible. And they are just stone-faced, like, sitting there like, what happened? Yeah, we don't know. We just ran over a human being and a boat. Jumped our boat over their boat. Not surprised. I personally...

There's no way the water skier killed them. No. No, of course not. But she's the only person who has empathy or... She dropped off. Yeah, the water skier's like, you're going to run into that person. And they're going, what's she saying? And she's screaming, there's a boat!

And they're saying, what's she saying? And then it cuts to the gay lover and he goes, Tommy! This whole movie. is about bad reflexes too no one can swim fastness everyone is it's like speed two something is coming at them like oh I'm gonna stay frozen

the boat is coming that guy could have survived he could have swam to the left and the right all right so that's right we meet the creepy mom these kids go to sleep away camp we get the camp it's full of pedophiles angry camp counselors

angry angry camp counselors oh my god the first the first scene of the kids arriving at camp is they're all like running by Yeah. And the guy, the pedophile camp concert, he goes, he's like licking his lips and looking at all the young, like young kids. And he goes, where I call him, where I come from, we call him baldies. Makes your mouth water looking at it.

Wait, I miss this line. He says, we call them baldies because they have no hair on there. They're in pubic hair yet. He says, where I come from, we call him bald. Where does he come from? And can I visit? That guy is instantaneously. Like, I was like, whoa, this just got crazy rapy.

By the way, not even crazy rapy. Like, that's a weird thing to reveal to a group of people like, hey, I'm going to fuck a young kid this summer. I'm a child master he reveals to like six people that are standing there. And one of the people just goes, that's him. Yeah. Like, just laps it off. By the way, it just goes to show you, you cannot trust the kitchen staff. Because the same kind of thing in a sucker punch is the same guy who runs the kitchen, likes to rape young girls.

That's it. It's a real theme. It's a real theme. I feel like that's my wheelhouse 20 years from now. I'm just going to be doing a few of sheds. Just like rapy, rapey, creepy adults. Well, June pointed out a very special celebrity guest star in the kitchen staff.

James Old Jones' dad. Robert Earl Jones. He plays Ben? Yep. By the way, his name is Ben. How are you remembering all these names? Because it's so insane. Robert Earl Jones played, yeah, Ben.

I noticed his name in the credits and I thought that's a complete. That's a coincidence, but then when I heard his voice, he has James Earl Jones' voice and looks a lot like him. That's crazy. And more crazy is that he would name his kid the same middle name as him. Like, it's not like, you have to go like Earl Jones. Yeah, whatever. So that's Robert Earl Jones. We meet our amazing camp owner who is just smoking a cigar.

They smoke in front of these kids nonstop. In the 80s, it was good to smoke. Yeah, that's, I, not just smoke, but, like, talk and be, like, so lascivious and sexual. Yes. You know, and I, I guess I appreciate that. You know, I guess I appreciate, like, the forthrightness with which, like, all the kids swear, like, a blue streak. Oh, that's a way that, like, I haven't heard it on film before. But that's the thing is, like, in the 80s, like, bad news bears or meatballs or those movies, like, kids swore like we as kids swore.

You know what I mean? And that just doesn't exist anymore. Like, a movie with kids now, you would never. hear a like a 13-year-old. Fuck you, you fucking, you fucking, it's like it's so many F-bombs. And from little kids, we should also point out, and this is a very important thing, when we meet Angela eight years later after the accident, she doesn't speak. We haven't heard her speak.

We also have to say sleepaway camp happens eight years after the accident, which we haven't said. Yes, yes. They don't really let you know how long it has been. So they, you know, they're at camp. people immediately hate Angela because she doesn't speak at all and she just sort of blinks she doesn't even blink she knows she stares vacantly she appears to be like a real weird

I feel like they give her mushrooms because she has no like pupil versus like eye color it's just black well you don't you don't know what's wrong with her is she catatonic does she have no emotions but then guess what a couple scenes in she starts talking up a storm and the boy flirts with her yeah like nothing like nothing The movie is also, which I also liked, is like singularly obsessed with people, with kids getting laid.

Oh, yeah. You know, it's just, again, like that 80s way of like all movies, like the sure thing and that Tom Cruise movie where they're trying to lose their virginity. No, they're trying the first one. Anyway. They're all obsessed with getting laid and Judy got tits and blah, blah, blah, blah. I also like when the kid runs up to Ricky. He was like, hey, Ricky, man, oh man, you got to see Judy. She's got some big tits or whatever.

And then, and Ricky's like, he says to his cousin. He's like, we went steady. It's almost like, it's like, it's like, it's so cool. Ricky is like the playboy. He's like the badass of the camp. Yeah, but he hasn't, he's considered one of the little kids. Wait a second. I just realized something crazy.

Is this the first year that Angela has lived with Ricky? Because if eight years have passed, where was Angela? Why hasn't she been going to camp with him? Yeah. Oh, my God. All right. Well, again, that makes no sense. Yeah.

I mean, I'm looking at the Wikipedia and you're right. Angela is the cousin of Ricky and his love. There is eight years that have passed. Because when I saw that mom, I was like, this mom is crazy because of the accident. But now it is not that. She is just a crazy person. Yes. Although, thinking about the mom again, I'm starting to think she actually might have been a man at one point.

Really? No, no, no. That the mom is the gay lover? But then how do you explain Ricky? Wait a second. How do you explain Ricky? No, no, no, no. Ricky is her son, right?

Yeah, Desiree Gould. It was played by a real actress. Her name is Desiree Gould. No, no, I know. Well, wait. Well, wait. Well, we can get, we can, oh, Desiree Gould. All right.

So we can get, we'll get into it. I want to hold off on one more second before. Because I think the end is going to open up all these things. I mean, Wikipedia. does okay yeah well the first death that happens is the one of the cooks the guy who makes that comment about baldies um attempts to rape angela oh yes very quickly instantly very quickly he is like like he's like oh you want some food up oh why don't you come back into the pantry and then starts like umbuckling his pants i'll give you something a snack on yeah or whatever

he says it's so upsetting and then ricky finds angela grabs her and runs out and then the cook punches a box of tomatoes. A huge box of tomatoes. A huge box of tomatoes. Then Angela comes back later on, or the killer comes back later on. Spoiler alert. Huge spoiler alert. I'm obsessed with this scene because the cook is salting an enormous pot of boiling water.

Well, first he says, is it boiling? It's like a huge, it's like a 55-gallon drama of boiling water. It goes, is it boiling? And it goes, oh, it is. So that we understand it's boiling water. And he says, that a girl. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he does say that a girl.

That a girl. That a girl, to the water that is boiling. Yeah. Always got to toss the water up. My favorite part is how angry that guy gets at the drop of a hat. He's out of salt. Fuck this salt.

Well, that's it. Everyone there is on the border of just freaking out. That makes everybody a suspect. So he gets on a step ladder. This is my question. No, no, a chair. I'm sorry.

A chair. The pot is so large and he must stand on a chair to pour the salt in. Now meanwhile, how much salt would you have to put it? Like, I know you put a little bit of salt in a pot of blowing water.

That's like, Paul, I'm so glad you asked. Because this, our passion being that how did this get made turns into a cooking show. We need to figure out. The question we don't know is

what's he preparing the water for. Well, I would assume it was corn. It was corn. So then you would put a significant amount of salt in there. Yeah. I thought that was interesting. For those of you keep any notes

in the cooking part of the show, it was very interesting. So he's standing on a chair salting this water for days. I mean, That's a lot of sodium. These kids, this is at a time

when we didn't understand the dangers of salt. And I also think, by the way, that that's why he has a few pounds to lose because he's been over-salting his food. He's been oversalting his food. He has really high cholesterol.

He's putting a lot. He's very heavy on the salt. So then the killer comes in. And we see a pair of hands coming up hands outstretched. Like first person. Now the camera is first person. Yes.

We are the killer's POV. Yes. Which was crazy. Killer cam. The best part of of every single death in this movie is the way everyone goes

oh, it's you. I have that. It was unbelievable. I put together a clue. I'm obsessed with how he dies, though, because what happens is he realizes who the killer is. He tells her to...

I mean, you're just spoiling who the killer is. He, well, basically, you didn't even, you didn't even Wait, you didn't even, you didn't even, you didn't even, you didn't even, you didn't even, you didn't even, the, the biggest thing was, the kid, just keep on moving, the kid, the kid, pushes his butt, reminiscent of the father who also got his butt pushed in the opening scene. Oh, and then, and then, I'm certain, I'm certain that is not meant to be a thematic reference. In a body of water. In a body of water.

And then the guy is frantically holding on to his shelf. Now meanwhile he's like about a foot off the ground At any point he could go any which way But he's holding on like he's holding on to the side of a building Like oh all right help me all of this thing He is in no physical danger whatsoever at all And instead of being like stop it He's like I'll offer you some

I'll get you an ice cream sandwich No when he falls though He could fall any which way Yes but lose So he falls in such a way that he grabs the 50-pound pot of boiling water, I guess, and pours it all over himself. Burning him to ridiculous, again, a yelling scene.

Yeah. This yelling scene, if you actually go through the math of the yelling scene, and I haven't written down, because he, it cuts from him yelling in the same position to him gauzed, same position still yelling. Yes. If you think about how long it would take for someone to call the ambulance, because people just stand around

when they see people get hurt. No cell phones there, yeah. In this film, Ben walks in and he's just like, oh, and he's just watching this guy scream, boiling his face. If you think about it, if you think about a camp

that's removed from a city, how long it would take police officers and an ambulance to get there, that man was sitting there for an hour and a half screaming in the same position. Well, I would also want to add to that too. Not only did the ambulance get there

And not only did the ambulance get there But then a doctor got there And they did a lot of work in the kitchen Because when you see him being removed from the kitchen He's still screaming But is totally gauzed out Like that would be something that they would do In the ambulance on the way to the hospital

The doctor was like you know what I'm going to set up shop here There's a lot of fly traps Hanging around here It's so weird And the doctor they literally say to the doctor Where his eyeballs burned And he goes, it's too soon to tell

Too soon to tell You would definitely tell if his eyeballs were And is that, is that, are they asking, why do you ask if his eyeballs are burned? Because he just, like his main thing is seeing children. I know, but if it was, if it was the chef that was badly burned, I think the first question you'd probably ask is, are his hands okay? Well, gee, they want to do. Not when it's a pedo chef.

Yeah. Well, their concern is mainly, they're concerned, the guy that runs the camp's concern is like, get him out of here, don't tell anybody, we still need to make dinner. James O. Jones's dad. Can you be the cook? And he's like, I guess so. Yeah, that's that camp goes on as normal. Yeah, camp goes on as normal.

That's the thing that's shocking to me is it's not until like six deaths in that the guy that runs the camp seems a little bit like suspicious. And he's not even suspicious. He's just kind of like, oh, all right, we'll combine the camps and we'll just, we'll make it smaller. And we got to keep the camp going. Because he keeps being like, people aren't going to send their kids to camp if they know about all these deaths. How much money do you think the camp is bringing in every summer from these kids? Oh, this is a great question. What are the economic finance?

This is another great, how did this get made pocket? What are the economic finances of the business that is part of the movie? The last stuff to you guys, we were talking about the finances of Camp Arrawak. Just because the camp owner seems like he's going to lose, I guess if you're a camp owner. I don't know. It just seems like he's going to lose millions if this camp gets shut down. By the way, he's so concerned. He smokes a cigar, and only millionaire smokes cigars in the public.

That's true. He wears black socks up to his knees with shorts. With shorts. By the way, we'll find out later on. He's also fucking the children of the kids. He's also asked on a date. She's a counselor. But that's a counselor. But that's a little less egregious.

It's not Meg. Is it Meg? Yes, it's Meg. And Meg is into it. She's like, he is like a Milton Burrell looking old man. Yes. And she is like, I got a date tonight. I got a hot date.

What? You are dating like a... She asks him on a date, but he's already asked her on a date. Yeah, she says, remember when you said... Remember when you said you wanted it? How about that dinner you said you wanted it? And he's like, oh, sure, come on.

The man was born in 1920. This movie was in 1983. Did he give you an idea of how old he was? That's the age difference that we're talking about. And of course, Meg, the beautiful Meg was born in... Let's see. Oh, they don't say it when she was born. She's a teenager.

She's maybe 16. Yeah, she's 16 years old. And she's psyched about this. Yeah. And is, you know, probably, like, to me, Meg is, Meg is the real bully of the girl. Meg and Judy are the bully. Judy's so, Judy's a very dark character. Judy is a bitch, but Meg is the muscle.

Meg is the one that throws Angela in the water. That's interesting. Judy's more like psychological. I like that Judy has a shirt that says Judy. Judy. I love that. I love Judy's hair. I've never seen.

Side pony. Side pony. Side pony. Side pony to the vagina. Just FYI, if you have not seen this movie, chances are you have because it is almost a, you could see now that Wet Hot American Summer directly parodied this movie. I mean, there are even scenes that heavyweights stole from this movie. It's crazy. It's crazy.

I mean, like, characters are dressed the same in Wet Hot as they are in Sleepweight Camp, the Side Pony, all that sort of stuff. It looks identical to. I asked Camerino last night, I emailed them because there was a kind of like a weightlifting. kind of Jewish guy who's like the voice of reason at the camp I go did you base your character on this he goes yeah part that guy and part a guy in meatballs so that was the impetus to Ken's character um all right so the the second murder happens in a boating accident this kid is flirting with a girl wants her to see the the water snake which would be his dick in the water um flips over the boat lots of boat to get her into the water so you can show her his

His water snake. To get her into the water, mix it up a little. There's a hard water snake here that needs to curl into your grow parts. It's just so difficult, like to float in the water. Like, what was he planning on doing there? I'm serious because his feet, their feet weren't touching the ground. Hey, look, this is 83. People were fucking in all interesting way.

People could do anything. But, yeah, so now this kid is now trapped. He just decides to hang out underneath the canoe that he flipped. He's high on drugs, by the way. He's high on drugs. He and the other kid are high on drugs. No, by the way, though, what did he do to the killer to get her so upset? To get the killer so upset.

That's what I said. That's what I said. Either way, we don't know the killer could be male and female at this point. He said the killer. To get him so upset. He said, what did he did to the killer to get her so upset? Please go see this movie. Do not wait for our amazing reveal of this.

I can't do this. I can't do it. We got to just get to the ending because it's. It's going to be so good. It's so good. So he's now a high on drugs singing a song in the boat. He's alone. He's alone.

Now, I played this. I put two clips back to back because it is what happens when everybody sees the killer. So these are two clips of people seeing the killer. Here we go. What the hell are you doing here? I bet the rest of the boys will be interested in seeing you. That's number one. Here's another killer.

It's you. What do you want? Well? And then she gets knocked out. So they always are saying, you, I knew it was you. Do you think, I can't imagine being 14 and seeing this for the first time being, oh, God. Wait a minute, wait a minute, I didn't realize, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Judy was killed by having a hot curling iron stuck into her vagina. Yeah, that's awesome.

I pointed that out. I thought it was being burned, but June's like, no, it's going into her vagina. Yeah, that's. Of course it is. Because it's, like, in the shadow. It's like being pushed. you think she was killed? I didn't know.

I don't know. You told me so. That was the only way for Judy to die. By getting a curling iron in the VJ. Absolutely. Oh, boy. And by the way, would that kill you? I mean, no.

It would burn your vagina. It would burn your vagina into uselessness. But it would not kill you. It would certainly not kill you. Yeah. No, no. You would just like melt your vagina. Wait a second.

Could there be a sequel to this movie where we see Judy with a burned vagina come back? There are three sequels to this movie. Oh, you know what guys? I actually know the answer of my own question. There was a short film released on sleepaway camptivy.com. It's called Judy's Return. So you can follow the 16-minute return story of Judy as an adult. And I haven't seen it, nor probably will I.

But you can see how her burn vagina does in the future. Judy's a real sad character. I think what Judy admires, like Judy and Angela have an interesting relationship because I think in so many ways Judy would like to be more like Angela. Why do you say that? Because Angela is innocent. Yeah. That's it.

I think Judy sees a little bit of her old self in Angela and has become something else. Last summer self. Last summer self. She's sprouted those tits. Well, by the way. It's crazy because that scene where that guy rejects her a little bit. I mean, not even that much. She goes nuts.

Yeah. I also feel like everyone in this movie, though, like they hate Angela because she's a mute some of the time. By the way, she's a mute some of the time. Some of the times she's a totally well-adjusted girl. It goes back and forth. Oh, I don't know if I would say well adjusted. She just talks. She talks, but in a way that's like kind of, she doesn't, doesn't, it's not like the mom.

It's not overly creepy. It's like a girl. It's normal. Oh, boy. I have a really important question for when we get to the end. And so, all right, so basically, but all the kids like, will grab her and go, how come you're so fucked up? Like, God damn it, answer me. And they shake her.

They're always like shaking her. Because she doesn't talk, it throws people into rages. Well, they project all of their own fears and insecurities onto her. Well, when that. kid was killed in the boat. Even the camp counselor in the morning, he's like, oh, God damn it. Look at all these chairs. He's like throwing chairs around, and then he just uncovers a dead body.

That's so decomposed in less than, like, what, five hours? Within, from late night until early morning, the body is, is mangled, right? That's not decomposition. It's not decontation. It's not water snakes. It's either, it's water snakes. A water snake does climb out of his mouth. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. That was hilarious. What, you think the water snakes ate him? I thought he was beat to death or something. No, no, that was his body being drowned. Snapping turtles. Oh, yay, he did this. This movie is so stupid.

There are literally maybe like eight times I said to my, I keep thinking in my head, this is the part of the movie where nothing makes sense. It's just like the entire film. It makes, well, okay, well, by the way, so the kid's dead. Then there's a, the police come to kind of inform him that. There could have been an accident. This is the accident debate here. As far as I can tell, the boy drowned. Of course, we'll have to wait for the medical examiner to check him over before we can be certain.

Of course he drowned. He was horsing around. A canoe tipped over. He must have hit his head. I don't think so. Weren't any bumps or bruises when I checked. Though, again, I'm no expert on this matter. There was obviously an accident.

I mean, the boy might have got scared and panicked, right? That could be a logical explanation. So it was one of those fluke accidents we could not have foreseen, and that is all there is to it. I don't know. There was an accident. So that is the camp counselor, or the head of the camp just trying to justify. He's smoking a cigar during that scene. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I'm not technically, uh, man, that guy is the best, that security guard. Can we move ahead to Meg's death? Yeah, sure. Okay, so Meg. This is the most improbable death. This is the craziest death. Yeah.

Meg is getting ready for a hot date with old fuck action camp counselor. Megan Mel. Megan Mel Megan Mel Hearts forever 16 and 60 16 and 60 That's a new MTV show

So she's taking a shower She's surrounded by like handsome men her own age Yeah Oh yeah And even handsome men Closer to her age So she takes a shower

In a different bunk Because all the girls Are using up the shower And hers And she's by the way Singing the craziest song In that shower But not even singing

No Humming the entire time. But she's like, he hum, hum, hum, hum, hum, hum, hum. He hum, hum, hum, he hum, hum, hum, he hum, hum, hum, it's like, it's crazy, it's maddening, with a huge smile on her face. Then all of a sudden, she leans back on the shower, so her back is against the wall, and the killer stabs through the wall and stabs her from her neck down to her ass. Yeah, yeah.

In half, pretty much. Yeah. Now, at no point in feeling the knife go into her back, does Meg step forward in order to avoid the knife destroying her? Nope. She stays firmly with her back against the wall. Feet planted. Feet planted so that the knife can continue to wreak havoc with her back area. It's almost like someone's scratching it and she likes and she's like, oh yeah, get it. She's like, yeah, she really edges that knife into her.

Oh, man. And so she dies and presumably stays in such a precarious. position that her body until Mel comes to find her much later in the movie, Mel walks into her room, she's been dead now for arguably a couple hours, right? A couple hours, but the minute he

walks into the room, she falls into frame. So she was hanging so precariously that he didn't even move a curtain. He doesn't do anything. She just kind of enters, enters the scene. They could have made that scene so much easier if he just moved a shower curtain and she fell out. Nope. She just falls

to the ground. So weird. So do you think the knife was holding onto her back and in the wall at the same time? No, because whenever she takes the knife out and cleanses it. Yeah, so she was just standing up, a dead person standing up. Standing against the wall. The wind shifted. Absolute nonsense.

All right. Honestly, that speech he gives, which had to have been improvved. Oh, when he sees made die. It's unbelievable. I do have that as well. I'll play it. It's a little hard to hear because the music is so. overpowering, but it's worth trying to hear.

Here you go. Oh, my God. I'm not too mad. He did. I had him. I let him go. Please. I'll stop him.

Gotta stop him. Don't get away back. Never get away from me. And as he's talking, he's talking with his, like, finger at his, like, like, almost like, like, a stereotype of Italian man, like, hey, I'm gonna make him a copa cooler, you're never gonna forget. And it's like, he's, like, presenting this information like this. Oh, my God. I love that all of the times where he wasn't talking, it would cut back to the back of a body. Yes.

And it wasn't like, it was like, oh, something else has happened to this body. It's the same shot. Nope. Same. So fucking. And no blood at all. No blood out of there. I guess the blood was drained out.

Oh, my God. By the way, I want to just talk about one line that was pretty great. Hey, man, eat shit and die, Ricky. Hey, eat shit and live, Bill. That was one of the classic. And all the other kids were like, ooh. That was a great comeback. So a bunch of other camp counselors die.

Or kids die. But let's get them. The guy gets killed with the bees. Yes. Who's like, wicked dump? This is amazing. The amazing, I guess it. You have her end up, so read it, so read it, because I don't have it read that.

It's, it's, I'll be right there, guys. But first, I got to take a wicked dump. That's a line in this movie that an actor memorized and then said and takes a magazine into the bathroom where the killer, the genderless killer, reaches in and puts a beehive. By the way, it's In the toilet with him Another slow-ass reaction First, knifes out the screen on the window Takes a while and the guy doesn't

We never see the guy in the stall We only see his feet It's like, hey, who the hell is that? Continues dick is wicked shit Does not look around And then And then someone that puts a beehive On a stick

And puts it in there And then It looks like an old-timey hobo stick It's a bindle It definitely looks like a bindle My problem My only problem with that scene was they put a very thin broomstick to stop them from kidding out. It's like you, we start on a pretty large gap between the floor and the top of the door.

Just get out of there. And that beehive, like at the end when you see all of the bees on his dead body, that beehive contained thousands and thousands of bees. His body looked so eaten alive. It was as if you locked him in a beehive. in an actual beehive for days. But this is like two minutes later. He is the same thing with a boiling water. His body was like boiled a lot.

And that was after the amazing water balloon scene, which our main character, Angela, gets a water balloon and goes down like she was like John F. Kennedy shot. You motherfuckers! And these kids are playing with water balloons on the roof of a cabin. Like just all on a roof, all fighting on a roof. Ricky Ricky's outbursts

I can't imagine where the headspace he had to go to Well that's why I think In your mind You're supposed to think Like is it Ricky Is it Angela

We don't know who the killer is Yeah Because Ricky is so Volatile So angry And so overprotective And even Mel is like Why are you

Even Mel suspects him At a certain point He's like Why are you always Protected her Why is you You did it I saw you by the

By the thing or whatever And like Mel Is like a cute accusing Ricky of doing it. The thing I wanted to talk about was at a certain point, Angela gets a little boyfriend. Paul. Yes. Paul starts to like Angela and they're holding hands after movie night.

And then he kisses her. Oh, this is the best scene. He kisses her behind the bunk. She's like, where are we going? And he's like, I just want to show you something. I just want to show you something. And then they go behind the bunk and he like plants like a. The meekest little kiss on her, and she...

Oh, she's like, I have to go inside. I have to go inside, then. I mean... Well, now, don't you... I mean... But this is the... But she does like him. But this is...

That's what I want to get to. But this is the... That's what I want to get to. But this is the flashback, right, where she... Literally, it says smash cut to gay sex. Yes. Cuting to these two men. And, like, I don't know if you guys...

This is where you find out that the man. on the shore was the gay lover. We didn't know this. We should have said that at the beginning. We didn't know that. I didn't think he was the gay, that the two men were gay lovers in the cold open. No way.

In this scene, which appears to take place in a black box. It's like that episode of family ties. Exactly. That's what I was going to say. Where Alex's, Alex's friend dies and he has to go to therapy. It's like a community theater thing.

It's like a Brechtian production of something where it's a black box. And the two little kids now, they're back to being little kids, are looking. at the dad and the man like bone zoning. Yeah, just doing it. But they also are bone zoning like a thing. It was a very... It was tender. It was tender.

They were touching each other's faces in a tender way. Yeah, they weren't rammin. And then that dissolves to the two kids. The little boy and the little girl in bed, like touching each other, like the men were touching each other. But not even trying... Wait, what? It was a... Don't they touch each other's faces? No, it's like E.T. It's like E.T. Oh, he's poking her tits.

He's like her, his finger is just going slowly at her. But it never touches her. And it's super creepy. The camera's like rotating around their bed. It's like, what the fuck am I watching? Well, but that wasn't, I don't think we were supposed to take away that they were molesting. She was slowly molested by her brother, I said. No, that was definitely incest.

Total incest. Total incest. It's like an underlining theme in the entire film. You guys, that's not true. Yes, that's why they showed that scene. No. The reason why they showed that scene was that, we're, We see the boy pointing to her, which is why we're thinking she's the killer.

Angela's the killer because he's pointing at. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, what are you talking about? There are three people who are going, no, and one person is going, yes. That was not an incest scene. It was an incestine. It was so incestual. It was totally incestine. He's pointing her tit.

He's like, basically, it keeps dissolving. It keeps dissolving to his finger getting close. And closer and closer and closer to her. It's like that is like something sexy. She's pointing at her like you. No, he's like getting closer and closer. Like, I'm going to touch this. I'm going to touch you.

I'm going to do this. It was so creepy. It was like they just saw sex and then they were going to admit it. That's exactly what it was. Yes. All right. So now we're getting to, let's just get to. Okay.

Let's get to the meat of this fucking movie. Literally. So the whole movie is pretty much predicated on an amazing five minute ending sequence. So, Angela decides that after she's been, like, upset with this boy, she's going to finally take him to the bone zone. Yeah. And we cut to a flashback. Anyone can take, who wants to describe this scene.

We cut to a flashback of the creepy mom that we established in the beginning. Also, oh, yeah, go ahead. Or do you have one to go before? Well, you know, that's fine. That's fine. Well, what happens is a bunch of people are killed. Yes. And then all the people are running around chaos.

and they run down and they find Angela and Paul naked on the beach. The beach, okay? And it looks very tender. Yes, Angela is humming and cradling Paul, right? It looks, yeah. And they come across her and her back is to the people

and she's naked. Then you dissolve into this flashback. And it's Aunt Martha and Aunt Martha. Again, on a Brechtian set, starts doing this thing. We see it's like right after the accent, The surviving child has like a head cast on or something.

Yeah, that's the funniest part is like that doesn't exist in any world. No. I have the dialogue here that I can read. So it cuts into this. Oh, you're going to enjoy living with us so much. Yes, I know you are. As a welcome home present, I bought you such a wonderful new clothes. I hope that Richard doesn't get jealous that I didn't get him anything.

Oh, but then he's such a dear. I'm sure he won't mind. You see, I've always wanted a little girl. But of course, when my husband left, oh, well, that's all water under the bridge. As I always say, water under the bridge. But it certainly will be a nice surprise when Richard comes home to find a little girl in his house. Yes, I've always dreamt of a little girl just like you. That's the monologue.

We find out that Angela is actually the son. The little boy survived. boy survived, not the girl. And the mother raises the little boy, whose name was Peter, as Angela, who she says, because it's from the angels. Yes. And so, and then you cut back to camp, present day camp, Angela gets up, Paul's head, decapitated head rolls off of her lap.

She's holding a knife, screams this crazy blood curdling, turns around to face everybody, and has a tiny dick. And that is, That's how the movie ends. Angela is the brother. Holy shit. It's crazy. That monologue, though, actually when you read it,

answers a lot of my outstanding question. Okay, so from that monologue, we're to understand that the man on the beach was her husband. No. No. Left.

Yes, thank you, Zach. Left. Yes, but was her husband, but left her. Left her for the guy. So, by the way. The guy on the beach. was married to Martha, you're saying? Yes, I think so.

Oh. So, wait a second. The doc is saying, the doc is coming. Right. He's not going to be like, my wife is coming. Got it. The doc is coming. Fucking, what's her name is coming?

Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Because I really want to understand this. So you're telling me that Martha and Martha and dude on the beach were married. Let's just call Gary. And Gary. Aunt Martha and Gary were married, okay? And then dad of Peter and Angela of, dad of two little kids

Angela being the boy Peter Peter slash Angela and little boy Little girl Oh little girl Little girl sorry sorry sorry Guy on boat Guy on boat with kids

So he was presumably married to somebody Right Yes yes They are gay lovers Right yes Are they really I don't think no I don't think they're But the kids are

But she is their aunt She is their aunt Wait a second I figured it out The guy on the boat with the two kids and the guy on land, Gary, they are related. And it was incest. Yeah, so it's incest. So that's why she gets custody because she is the aunt of that little girl boy.

I think she is the, I think it is incest in the sense that it's like through law. That's, oh, yeah, I think that, yeah, I'm with that, yes. So maybe, so maybe Martha and the kids, family, family. So maybe Martha and the kids' mothers were sisters. Right. And these two men married these two sisters. but decided to have bones on each other, but they were not related except by marriage.

Because that's how the kids caught them. The two little kids were like at a summer house when they had some sort of family thing, and that's when they saw the men having sex in the bed. We're to understand then that when the dock is arriving at the summer home, she also has Ricky in tow, which they never mentioned. Yeah, they never mentioned Ricky. By the way, I do think that we were wrong on one thing.

This did not take place, the boating accident did not take place in front of the camp, even though it would lead you to believe because the camera pans off the camp. It did. It totally did. It did? It had to do. All right. For a camp.

I thought those kids came from a camp. Yeah, I mean, like, he even goes like, he was like, I don't want to lose my job, but okay. All right. Okay. It's got to me. And that's why she starts to go crazy when she's back at the camp. Back at the camp, the water, it's just terrible. It's too much.

It's too much for her. All right. So I also to understand, though, that Angela slash Peter is a gay boy? Like, she's been raised as a girl, so probably has a. a crush on Paul because of because he's a guy he's a guy paying attention to her

but I'm sure that's why the kiss is so she reacts to the kiss so weird and that's also why she won't get in the shower it's also why she won't get in the shower I think she's just

an asexual murderer see Wikipedia just says Wikipedia says the man on the shore is just his lover it does that's all it says about that man on the shore but he says the doc is coming yeah the doctor's come

well why would the doctor be coming to the beach it's just because the doctor is the aunt of the kids so just unrelated the doctor's coming

unrelated the doctor's coming unrelated you have to get out of the water the doctor maybe it's your sister's coming he could have said your sister's coming no he said the doc no no I know but he could have said

your sister's coming you know like somebody's coming hurry up get to sure we have to cover up all our gay stuff oh maybe I don't know Did you guys notice that cop at the end had the worst fake mustache?

Oh, the worst fake mustache I've ever seen. I mean, like that was bought in a props. Like it was worse than Eric Banna's beard and Hannah. Well, again, if you go on the idea that this is a real camp that made a movie over a summer, it was not that bad. I do want to talk about the spirit finger death. Every time people get killed in this movie, their hands kind of go up like, and like they're in spirit fingers. Like, they just go really wide and bag and forth because they only show it through shab.

Do you think, though, we're to understand that Ricky, does Ricky know that Angela's a dude? That is a terrific question. No way. No way. Because the mother does say he'll be so happy to have a little sister. Yeah. So the presumption being... The mom said, oh, guess what?

The mom is going to tell him it's a little girl. I don't know. Then why is he, oh, is that why he's so protective? He's like, it's my sister. It's my girl sister. I do want to just clarify one thing here. Do you know who was supposed to originally play the part of Angela? Jane Krakowski

No way Where did you see that? On IMDB Apparently she dropped out At the end That's fucking crazy And the movie was indeed Dedicated to the director's mother

Those are two things Just to answer me those questions Just we know A real doer You imagine if that movie was dedicated to you By your child I'd be like What did I did?

I have not done I have not done I will say this People should 100% watch this movie It's on YouTube And it's entirety And it's entirety It's amazing.

And even if you're not going to watch the movie, watch the last 10 minutes. Well, you have to, I think the payoff only works with the full. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I will tell you also, a new film returned to Sleepway Camp was completed in 2003 and initially struggled to find distribution. It was directed by the same guy of the original. He decided this chapter would ignore the storylines of the previous sequels, stating he wanted to pick up where the original film ended.

According to Fangoria, the digital effects were really. done in 2008, and the film finally found distribution and was released in 2008, and basically it is, if you want to follow the story, it's called Return to Sleepway. I want to, I just would like to add something to this. Okay, that

movie, you're correct, is a sequel that the director made, but in the 80s, another director made two sequels called Sleepaway Camp 2, unhappy campers, and Sleepaway Camp 3, Teenage Wasteland, in them

Angela, now played by Bruce Springsteen's younger sister, Pamela Springsteen, resurfaces at a nearby Sleepaway Camp, but this time masquerading as a counselor after a sex change that made her entirely female. Then there's a fourth, there's another sequel called Sleepway Camp 4, The Survivor, directed by a whole different person, which was partially filmed and never released. This is all Wikipedia.

Can I just bring up how Paul pitches himself as the best friend ever? he's like yeah me and rickie hung out all like we're best friends these are the shenanigans we got into last year and and she's just like thoroughly impressed to the point where she's like that's great and that's her first line yep first line she speaks like 45 minutes into the movie and it's but by the way that's what i think the really big question that remains is why didn't she go to camp before what was she doing being a boy i mean like just probably the mom probably didn't want to

Oh, she couldn't do the physical Oh, no, but the mom did the physical That explains why the mom did the physical too Guys, by the way, I'm reading the whole plot summary for return to sleep play camp It looks like everyone had returned Ricky returns, Ronnie returns, every surviving victim

returns many years later to find the real killer. Oh, that will be... The real killer, it wasn't Angel? Well, I think maybe Angela's coming back. Maybe it's like Psycho, too. Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie but it is now time for a second opinion. These are five-star reviews, Colt from Amazon.

I can't even decide which ones to read here because they're so good. Ben Conrad writes, plot, characterization, screenwriting, or acting might be the conventional criteria that most film buffs use for grading a movie's greatness. I used to believe that, too, until I saw Sleepway Camp. After that, I drew a new template for my own evaluation. Amazing. Based solely on sheer,

Audacity. This movie is poorly written, poorly acted, and it ends if someone just slammed the brakes on a tractor trailer that was leisurely cruising at 200 miles an hour. This movie stops, and you're never the same again. Five stars. That's true. This is my favorite one from Christina Rusta. Oh, actually, not my favorite one. Second favorite one.

I got to say, when I first watched this. Thank you for clarifying. I need to know the hierarchy of these. Second favorite. Not as good as my final favorite. I got to say when I first watched this movie, I was around four years old, and I had nightmares for a week over the last shot. Now when I watch it being 24. By the way, nobody remembers their nightmares from four years old.

Maybe if you saw a dick out there like that, and I had this kid. Now when I watch it being 24 as of 2009, I think it's pretty good. And it would be, and it's a really good past the time kind of movie. What does that mean? Past the time. My brother owns this movie, and we watch it when we order pizza. Well, for a brother and sister to watch this movie over pizza is really weird. Something you want to have said, I watch Sleepaway Camp.

Great movie, five stars. That's something you will, oh. You know what's something I want to say? I've watched Sleepaway Camp. I just haven't been able to say it yet. Dot, dot, dot, dot, great movie. I watch Sleepaway Camp, dot, dot, dot, great. That's part of the whole quote.

Wow. That's not like, I watched Freeway. So it's like you want to have said this. Amazing. This is written by, it's titled A Kids Review. honestly I don't know what people are thinking when they call this movie bad or dumb the people who call horror movies funny that's a sure way to tell that they're bluffing don't listen to those people okay this is a wonderful slasher flick I will not give a

detailed synopsis for do not want to ruin it to you I will tell you that you were in for quite a scare the killings are nothing short of spectacular the characters are somewhat likable the ending is so scary that when I first watch it I let out some strange noise. Not quite a scream, maybe a moan of terror, and I ran out of the room. My mother said I looked like I saw a ghost, and I told her I had seen something worse.

Watch this movie with a dog. Or if you think... Wait, what? Yep. Or if you think you can handle it, I barely can now. I just love that scared feeling. That's why I like well-made horror films.

Watch it alone. With a dog? Be warned. You will be scared. I guarantee it. If you are not scared, then I am nothing but a wimp. This will invoke fear in you. Be it slight, which I highly doubt. There are some tough-hearted people out there like war

veterans, L.O.L. What? Wait. No, that was a joke. That was a joke. I still watch this movie and it scares me. By the way, I'm not a kid. I just forgot my password. I'm 17 and I live in Brooklyn, New York. So you know it's not some eight-year-old in the

middle of nowhere who gets spooked by Halloween episodes of South Park. Have fun being scared. Wow. Holy cow. That is one of my favorite. That was as well written as the script. Someone also just said this is better than anything that Kubrick has done.

Oh my God. That's great. Anything that we did not talk about that is worth mentioning. You've covered it. Definitely watch it. It's on YouTube. Big thanks to Zach Proman, who show The Inbetweeners airs on Monday nights on MTV.

It's a really funny show. And you can follow you on Twitter, right? Yeah, Adzac Perlman. And it's with the CH, right? CK. CK. Yeah. I'm glad we clarified that.

Jason, still not on Twitter. Nope. June, what do you want to plug? I don't know. Icees. Icees, ice pops. Thank you to everybody who listens to the show. Thank you to everybody at Earwolf.

Thank you, Cody, for our engineer for the day. Thank you so much. We'll see you next time. Bye-bye. Happy Halloween.