How Did This Get Made? - Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot w/ Kate Spencer (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Comedian/author Kate Spencer (All's Fair in Love and Pickleball) helps the HDTGM crew cover the 1992 Sylvester Stallone & Estelle Getty comedy Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot. They discuss everything from infant fetishizing, diaper nightmares, and how the movie was penned by screenwriting guru Blake Snyder of "Save the Cat!" fame. Tune in to hear us try to make sense of a movie that Sylvester himself is ashamed of. Enjoy! (Originally Released 04/30/2013) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

It's a buddy cop movie where one of the buddies is a mommy. We saw that Sylvester Stallone, a Stel Getty classic, stop or my mom will shoot. So you know what that means. Now it's time for How Did This Get Made? Gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater, but you know you wonder how did this get made?

Let's all win the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to another episode of How Did This Get Made? I am joined, as always, by my two amazing co-hosts, Jason Manzoukas. What's happening?

And June Diane Rafeel, how are you? June. Good, how are you, Paul? Very good, I am Paul Scheer, by the way. I never introduce myself. And we have a very special guest today. There's a lot of people listening today who are like, finally, I know!

So people did comment on it, they're like, why don't you ever introduce yourself? I was like, you got it, you figured it out. I don't, you don't accidentally stumble across a podcast. There's a lot of conscious steps taken. I know who the other two are, but who's the guy talking? For the five people who wanted to know, now you know. Mystery solved.

We have a very special guest today. You might follow her on Twitter. Very funny, Kate Spencer. Welcome Kate Spencer to the show. She is, how are you Kate? I am great. I'm so glad to be here you guys. We're very excited to have you.

This is our- What's happening Kate? You just had a baby. I did. Four weeks ago I gave birth and the first movie... Four weeks ago? Four weeks ago. Oh, did you notice that really?

Oh my God. It was very soon. The first movie she saw was Stop Her My Momma Will Shoot. She sat on my lap and watched it with me last night. Yeah. And then she... That's how I want to watch a movie. Sitting on a girl's lap with a mouth full of tit.

Right, guys? What? Don't make it weird. Right it right guys. What Kate is our guest Specter that's right specter. It's some popcorn and some boob juice Boob juice juice, so I mentioned this in a little bit of the boob juice. There's a boob juice boob juice I mentioned this in our mini episode This is our Roger Ebert tribute episode here because Roger Ebert has called this movie the worst film he ever saw, ever. And Roger Ebert, you could argue,

he's seen a lot of movies. Yeah. This was the worst. That's pretty impressive. Yeah. I would, I found an entertain, I found entertainment in this movie. I did too.

But mostly from the point of view of like, what the fuck is happening? Well that's exactly it. To me it's more indicative of a weird time and what was going on. How was this brought to Sylvester Stallone? Okay, it's a cop movie, but your partner is your mom.

I actually think there's a really good movie in there and a really strong idea. It's just completely insane. The weird thing about this movie to me is the tonal shifts. Yes. There are several shots of Estelle Getty that make it seem as though this is a horror film. Does anyone else agree?

There were moments, really close close-ups, where she was delivering lines very seriously, where it looked like this is a fucking scary movie. Like misery type scary movie? Yes, about an obsessive mother. And I feel weird and I feel scared. I'm telling you, I felt scared. This bit of interpretation is really fascinating.

I think it might say more about you than about the movie. No, because then we would jump out of it and it was a comedy again, but there were several moments where I was like, oh my god, this is spooky. Would you argue? Like she's obsessive and crazy. Did you scream? I didn't scream, but I didn't feel. Safe?

No, I didn't. I really didn't. Would you argue that maybe Estelle Getty was so good? The closeups, there's a lot of closeup work in this movie. A lot of tight closeups. And sometimes you would think they'd be punching in for like joke lines, but sometimes not so much. It's just-

See, I guess what I'm saying is when she would shift to her badass cop mode, I had no history for where that was coming from. She wasn't like, all I got was that she was from Newark. And so I guess knew the streets a little bit, but it was like such a- She's the Cory Booker of her day. Right, but it was such a drastic shift

into this badass mode that to me read as like, that's very scary. Well, I'll tell you the moment that I felt really uncomfortable with in this movie. There's a moment, and it's a joke moment, but she cleans Sylvester's gun, and then- We're just calling him Sylvester. Oh yeah, Sylvester.

Just, just- Sylvester. Full name, but just the first name. Exactly. Sylvester. That's how I'mester. Just, just full name, but just the first name. Exactly. Sylvester. Not Sly, not Sly. Not today, not today. Not Stallone, Sylvester. When he does comedies-

I'm glad that's what we've chosen. When he does comedies, he is Sylvester, the comedian. When he does action movies, he is Stallone. She takes- He's very method like that. She takes a gun, a loaded gun, and points it in his face. I had the same thought. No, no, but we learn it's not loaded.

Because he takes the clip out and it's full of water. Okay, but still. And we did see her take out the bullets when she was in the laundry room. It was still scary. I agree. Was before that when she takes what is definitely a loaded gun and looks down the barrel of it

That's what I'm saying! There are scary moments in this movie If this fucking woman shoots herself in the head right now This movie is a classic Didn't it feel like weird? I'm gonna totally be the downer But there was a gun control message to this movie that felt very applicable to 2013 Yes, I agree When she tried to buy the gun and there was a two week message to this movie that felt very applicable to 2013.

When she tried to buy the gun and there was a two week cooling off period, I was like, wow. Richard Schiff tells her she is. I love those moments when somebody like, that just is Toby from the West Wing to me. He's in this for maybe three lines. That's it. I love that shit. I was like, hey, it's Richard Schiff, yay! Remember when

he was starting out and was taking jobs? Well, also Ving Rhames. Oh yeah. Also Ving Rhames, amazing cameo at the beginning. Except not a cameo, it must have been just a job he had. Yeah, exactly. It's really weird though that the gun she pretends to shoot him with is personal gun, I guess. Because it wasn't a police department, government-issued gun. The gun that she says, go ahead, make your bed. And so that's his personal gun that he's keeping in his laundry hamper?

Yes. Yes. Do you think, are we supposed to understand that that's the safe space for it? That's the hiding spot? If you don't have a gun box, a locked gun box, you put it in a hamper. Everybody keeps it in a hamper. It's soft, it's hidden.

Gotcha. No thief is going to go through your house and look through your hamper. Well, there's dirty clothes in there, like dirty underwear and stuff like that. Like shit stains and stuff. Yeah. So like the presence of shit stains makes, well,

let's be honest, makes the hamper the perfect hiding place for almost anything. Yeah. All your money, your jewels, your gold bars. Yep, yep. Doubloons. Yeah. Treasure, basically. your jewels, your gold bars. Yep, yep, doubloons. Yeah. Treasure, basically.

Krugerrands. Gotcha. The bearer bonds. I will say though, there is, you're right, the gun message of this movie is crazy because she can't buy a gun, and then she goes out and buys a gun illegally, and then there's a massacre

from the guys who are selling guns. It's a really, like I mean, if you were to take away the big jokes, so it is very dark about gun control. And a comical, almost suicide at the beginning. Oh, you're right. The goofy guy who's like threatening to suicide stuff in this movie. What's interesting is that I feel like this movie has, you know, Beverly Hills Cop was written for Sylvester,

for Sylvester. Yes. Beverly Hills Cop was written for Sylvester and he turned it down and Eddie Murphy made it. Right. And it became a huge hit. I think this movie was Sylvester's attempt to be like, oh shit, I blew it with that movie.

Right. And so, and because I felt like there were elements of this that were similar, you know, cause Beverly Hills Cop has tons of murders, tons tons of like other stakes of it are really high I feel like they were trying to inject that into this, but it doesn't work Yeah, the action scenes get real like our really big action scenes like he literally at the end of the movie is Chasing an airplane with like a Mack truck, and it's like and ramming it like ramming an airplane Yeah, and you would see that in a Sylvester Stallone movie

But then it's all of a sudden like his mom's running around with her per her big person her little dog Oh, yeah, so it's it's intermixed with very totally this movie didn't know I will point out one thing just I'm sorry I mean to cut you off the Estelle Getty Did not want to use a gun she said when Estelle Getty found out that the filming of the movie would involve guns, she said she would only do the movie if there were no guns in it. The producers lied to her and told her

that there would be no guns in the movie to get her to sign on, and then when the movie came on, they gave her guns. But I don't understand that, because the movie is called. Right. Stop or my mom will shoot. So when did she find out that there were guns in it? I have no idea.

This could, I hope this. Not only that, but like,'s a singular line is in the movie Yes, he says out loud stop or my mom will shoot. Maybe it's still getting we I don't know That was a bold power play like I'll do this movie as long as you take away the central conceit I just found our character to be like completely Like there's another version of this movie where we would understand, and I guess we were to understand that she really needed his love because she was alone

and she didn't have a husband and the father died. But to me she seemed so unlovable. Yeah, well she's unreasonable. She didn't love her. She's a terrible listener. She will not listen to anything anyone says. Right, but I can't believe I'm gonna reference this movie, but Jack and Jill.

Oh. Does a really good job of making Jill. June? I like that movie. June, can I talk to you for a second? Can I talk to you for a second over here? Yeah, sure. June, June, what are you doing right now?

Don't do this. Just scare me off for two seconds. I'm so excited to get June's thesis on Jack and Jill on the podcast. Many people have asked about it. Here get June's thesis on Jack and Jill on the podcast. Many people have asked about it. Here we go. I love Jack and Jill. Of course you do.

And Jill is played so lovably, and we understand why, yes, she's crazy, yes, she's way too needy, but I love her, and I think Jack should give her a shot. Whereas in this movie, when he says to his mom at the end, you know, I want you to stay. In my mind I'm thinking, no, she's been here way too long, like let her go. I have no, did you, I guess what I'm asking is did you want to see the two of them together?

Did we want him to end up with his mom? I want, there was a moment where I wanted them to have sex. There was a moment where I was like, the only way to cut this tension is a pretty, what is up with the scene where he sticks his butt out in the air? Oh my God! Can we talk about that? Can we talk about that?

Yes, where he wears. I can't believe I just got myself there by imagining them having sex. It would be good sexing. Because you wanna see him have sex with a white t-shirt and black tighty whitey's? Yeah, in like, in child's pose. I was like, what is he doing right now?

It was like a presentation of the ass. Yeah, he was presenting. He was really presenting. Yeah, his note were a gift. He also presents his ass in the shower scene too. And he's like, mom, get out of here. And she's like, oh, I haven't seen anything that you don't have.

And it's like. She has some line where she's like, I may be your mother, and I think it's in a shower scene, but I'm still a woman. No. Oh, that's when she's talking to Gwen. Yeah, she's talking to Gwen and she says... About his dick. About the size of his penis.

About his dick. Yeah. Like she appreciates his cock size because she's still a woman even though... And she... But wait, the way it comes up is she's showing Gwen, JoBeth Williams, JBW. She's showing JBW pictures of him as a baby. And she says, look at him in this one, he's playing in the sandbox or whatever.

And all the muscles, even though he's nine years old, all the muscles, and you can tell he's gonna have a big unit. Yeah. It's like, right? Doesn't that what she says? Roughly of that. I'm pretty sure she says a big unit. But when she says I can appreciate that as a woman. Yeah, I was kind of like right on you were

I didn't like the thing, you know, I don't think she means her son's dick, but she's just like hey listen I'm happy for you Joe You're right, what she means is like, I'm happy for you, Joe. You're getting loud. I'm happy for you. I guess that's really the problem I have with the movie is I felt like it's incredibly misogynistic. Well, wait, but the woman was a boss. And yet she never does anything in the movie.

Yeah, and she's such a terrible lieutenant. I mean, she's horrible at her job. And she wears awful shirts. But that's probably because she's a woman, and she was promoted above the men in an effort to like for equal, to be equal, you know, rights for women. No, you're absolutely right. So she was promoted even though she didn't deserve it because women can't do police work. We all understand that.

We all know that. Here's what was fucked up about it is that she really, like she comes across as also wanting to mother him, but he's also He's in a sexual relationship with her, but she has these moments where she's like your toothbrush with the frogs See that's what I think that was about Felt that this mothering energy that was smothering, but that was what there's nightmare remember his nightmare His nightmare was his diaper and the mother's like, let me change you. You cut over to JBW and she goes, let me change you.

So he saw JBW as a mother figure and also changing him as a person. Yeah, exactly. Double meaning there. He did, I mean that was, and that's the kind of levels that you're getting on this movie. That's right. There is, if you're wondering if there's a scene

in which Sylvester is in a diaper and needs a change in. Yeah. There is. And that's very much in the vein of Beverly Hills Cop. So the thing I want to talk about too is the emotional scene between JBW and Estelle Getty where Estelle Getty kind of reveals the backstory why Sylvester is the way he is. And that's because his father died

and Estelle Getty had a bad couple of days. It was so small. It was like, for a couple of days, I couldn't do anything. It's like, yeah, of course not. Yes, acceptable. Yeah, your husband just passed away. You would have a couple of days. You've got a long road of grief ahead of you actually.

She was almost like, for a long weekend, I was a little messed up and he really stepped in. And then this became this really emotional scene, which felt incredibly out of place for this movie. 100%. Well, but then it was turned on its head, because there was a joke at the very end where he came in and they were both crying hysterically,

and that was played as a joke. Okay, but wait. Okay, so this scene is something that I was so mystified by because she puts into play this idea that his biggest problem is that he's never cried over the death of his father. She says he never cried and you know what? He's never cried since that day and I think that's why he's afraid to let people in. And I was like, oh, so at the end of the movie, he's gonna cry, and he and Joe Beth Williams

will be able to be together. Nope, never cries. No, and instead he just recites to JBW what his mom said. Yes, yes. Like he never actually makes a transition into a man who wants to be with him. He just kind of gives up. He does not have free will.

But by the way, his mom. That's what I'm saying. What is the lesson in this movie? Truly, what are we to take away from it? I mean, clearly, three men wrote it, right? So Blake Snyder and two other men. Well, we gotta talk about this Blake Snyder thing. We'll continue with this talk, because I wanna.

There's like layers of mommy issues in this movie, right? Like it's such a reflection of the guys who wrote it being so screwed up with their mothers. Well and also I have to say, it also reeks to me of that late 80s, early 90s fear of women bosses where it's like, well, I guess I better fuck them because I'm not gonna take an order from,

it's just so, there's so much fear in this movie of women and what they're gonna do. There was also a weird moment in the beginning, which I think I have a clip of, but I think it'd be better even to describe it, when the mom is showing the stewardess his pictures of him as a baby. Oh my God.

One of the women. Should I play it? I have it. Do you have it? Yeah, I do have it. Please, play this. All right, here we go. I've given up shaving.

No, I shaved. Hi, titty. So this is little Joey, huh? Looks a lot different in clothes. We've gotta be getting. No, I shaved. Hi, Tiffy. So this is little Joey, huh? Looks a lot different in clothes. We've got to be getting along now, too. But thanks a lot for showing us the photos. You know, you looked real sexy in those diapers. Breakfast!

Okay, there we go. Let's pause right there. You looked real sexy in those diapers. All objectified him on their way off the plane. Like, they got done working a man they had never met before and then they basically who they saw baby pictures of and are now Wet for him, but also how did they recognize him off his baby? Talking to Tudor talking to Estelle Getty Estelle Getty is before I'm telling you before Estelle Getty comes out I'm telling you before Estelle Getty comes out There are a bunch of stewardesses who notice him

and give him like a second thought What did the first guy say when we got off the plane? I was a bed wetter too How do they know him? I would argue Estelle Getty has pictures all throughout his life Yeah that's what I would guess too She probably has adult pictures of him as well But that was a creepy ass line

Oh you look real sexy And she comes in close and says it's him like real fucking pervy and by the way if you did dog I was into it, and we haven't really talked about it But if you just think back to that music we can actually play a clip of it This is the music that underscores every music and what we just heard was so crazy Here's just a little taste of more just so you can really hear it without dialogue more just so you can really hear it without dialogue. ["The Last Supper"] ["The Last Supper"]

So picture this for 87 minutes. It never stops. People being murdered. Yeah, people are being murdered. To this music. Or to a faster version of this music. It's like a bad Disneyland jazz band throughout the entire movie. It's like it's like, it's like

it's the soundtrack to like a lesser Woody Allen movie You know like like I kind of am like oh Am I watching am I watching? What's it called the terrible that I don't know why I can only think Manhattan murder, mr. Man, oh my god. That's what no I was gonna say the the Helen Hunt one Oh as good as it gets? No. Curse of the Jade Scorpion. Thank you.

Curse of the Jade Scorpion. Wow, that really blows it out. Well done. That is a terrible Woody Allen movie. Yeah, it's his worst. I would say it's his worst. I would argue it's his worst. Yeah, what's the one with the guy from Deadwood

and where it's about magic? Is that the terrible one too? Oh, and Hugh Jackman? Is that, yeah. Well, the one where he's going blind. Scarlett Johansson and Hugh Jackman? Yeah, that one's pretty bad and the one where he's going to handsome and Hugh Jackman Yeah, that one that one's pretty bad in the one where I'm going to miss you for something. I have not seen you guys This is like there was like a period of three years where Woody Allen just put out like it was like oh

Okay, I can top that being worse here's one where I'm a director that goes blind and he's like bumping into walls And then he already got back on track. It was a motif. I mean, in Crimes and Misdemeanors. Sure, it was not pulled off though well. Guys, I love that we just turned this into an episode of how did this get made about Woody Allen. Yeah. Yeah.

That would be pretty funny. I hear what you were saying though about wanting, so one would think that there would be a moment where he starts crying. I do think that- There has to it was that's what it was set up for I think I think what they were going for and I don't know if this is because Sylvester wasn't able to muster up the tears I think Sylvester Stallone sorry to interrupt you does not want to cry on film okay that has he ever because

I was gonna say I think it could have been written in the moment where he's staring at the photograph. Which by the way, at one point in the movie, he simply pulls out a photograph of Joe Beth Williams and stares at it and talks to it. He talks to himself all the time in this movie. He has a frame of Joe Beth Williams in his office where her office is only feet away. He goes to the office to talk to this picture. She's still at work, and he is basically getting drunk. You're absolutely right,

because even when they were together, if he wanted to think of her or whatever, he could just simply look up because she's... And also, she's his boss. You can't have a framed picture of her on your desk. It's really fucked up. In 1992, though. When was that picture ever on his desk?

When they were together. Really? Did they were together for? Break up I don't know I have to say that's the big flaw in the movie too is that they have no chemistry Not every time they're on screen together. It's like these people hate each other Can we talk about her and leading ladies of the 90s movies? Oh god? I want to let's fucking get into it Bonnie Bedelia go an archer go Break it Elizabeth Perkins. Who is the woman? Go.

Gina Davis. Gina Davis. Which is who I thought that was for a hot minute when she walked in. That big, boofy hair. She could not be any less attractive. Is this a horror? No.

Adding to the misogyny of the movie is my take. That she looks like she's a 70-year-old woman. Yeah, she is not dressed. They don't play up her sexuality. It's not Joe Which is good because she's in the workplace guys and girls don't have to sex it up just to be the lieutenant police department Okay, I will say there's one scene and you have to go and watch it But it's a scene where he is getting drunk and talking to her picture where I felt like they were running late in their day They're like, oh shit. We're gonna go over our 12 hours.

Get Jo Beth out of the trailer. Well, she has no makeup on. I don't care. Shoot her inside of the scene. She looks good throughout, but then there's one scene where she is makeup-less. Like, I swear to God, it was only on her clothes. I was like, we gotta go, we gotta go.

No touch-ups. You know what they were establishing is that she's in jeans, it's after hours. This is the dress down for her. This is her, like, exactly. I agree with you, but I think the weird thing about the way her character comes off is it doesn's in jeans, it's after hours. This is the dress down for her. I agree with you, but I think the weird thing about the way her character comes off is it doesn't feel like, and this is nothing to do with her being a lieutenant.

Wait, after hours she hangs out at the job? Yeah, she changes into her. She said she came in just to get some stuff. Oh. So it does feel like she's a divorced woman with two kids. Wait, does that sound like their marriage? Really? Oh, I love that.

I know, what I'm saying that that's what it felt like to me, not that she. Will you write a movie that is the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of this movie, where it's an entire movie that- About Lieutenant Gwen Harper. About Lieutenant Gwen Harper, her divorce, her two kids, and it ends with her meeting Sylvester Stallone

for the first time. It didn't feel to me like she was looking for a husband. The energy that was coming off of her was like. Desperate craziness. I've lived, I'm looking for something to work here. And also when they're talking about their trip to Catalina and all the sexy things he did, none of those sexy things happened, right?

They went to Catalina and just laid in a bed together. And never had sex. They actually laid in two separate beds across. And he presented his ass to her. I would believe it. I would believe if she fucked him for the weekend in Catalina. Strapped it on? Strapped it on.

He got into that position. She like pulled those down and she just went to town on him. This shot was crazy. I'm thinking about it again. That shot is mental. Pulled those down and she just went to town That shot is mental He is put his ass in the air like like he's presenting it like a bonobo gorilla He is giving his ass to her it is the Yeah, okay, if you put it that way yes exactly like he, exactly. It's like he's wagging it around being like, hey, anybody wanna see what's up over here? But then he snuggled,

did you notice also how he snuggled into the bed kind of in the fetal position? Like in a very passive way. He's a very sad character, by the way. A very sad. A deer head. Oh my God. And as a partner. Okay, I really wanna talk about the art direction of this. By the way very bad oh my god

by the way Jo Beth Williams the gumball machine the rubber duck jack-o-lantern I think the jack-o-lantern was a cookie jar I'm almost I'm almost positive the jack-o-lantern was a cookie jar

okay so it wasn't Halloween and and we're on pause It wasn't him. Jack O'Lantern was a cookie jar. So it wasn't Halloween? After I saw it, I was like, oh, I guess it's Halloween and this is going to somehow tie in. I don't know how, but like. I love that you're looking for clues though. I did. Wait, Kate's mentioned, did you just do a spit take?

Okay, then there's another prop I really want to talk about is when he's lying in bed, I saw it in the ass shot. There's a little lamp that's hanging over his bed that has two socks hanging off of it. He's a dude. He's a dude. But why put your socks up there? Oh my God.

Cause he's a dude. He's just getting home, he's putting his socks on, drying them out. Oh my God. He's gonna wear those socks tomorrow. Yeah, to wear socks just for one day. In a line, okay, in a line, when you're introduced to his apartment,

on the table behind him is a bathtub rubber ducky. Literally, these are decorations. A bathtub rubber ducky. A gumball machine. By the way, this is in the kitchen. This is in the kitchen. This is like a countertop. A gumball machine and a jack-o-lantern cookie jar.

A giant glass jello lint. He shares the frame with all of those items. By the way, is not indicative of anything of his character. Not at all. Like his character is not like a fun level. Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid.

Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid. Like, he's like a little kid. Giant glass gentleman. He shares the frame with all of those items. By the way, is not indicative of anything of his character. Not at all. His character is not a fun loving guy. Doesn't eat a cookie once in a while. If I saw those three things, I would be like, a child Melissa lives here.

All of these things are for children. Wait a second, maybe that's what he does. Maybe what I could argue, OK, I'm now going to argue why it's happening. And this also explains some of his behavior, is that he is still a child. Well, I think that's what they were going for. Stunted, blah blah blah, because of his mom, blah blah blah. So that means, let's put kid-like stuff around the apartment. Oh.

That would explain the deer head on the wall. Because he's not kid-like stuff around the apartment. Oh. You know what I mean? Like, let's decorate. But that's not... I don't know. Because he's not a hunter. Yeah. It's never acknowledged. Well, by the way, I don't even understand what kind of copy is, because in the beginning you would assume he was a good cop.

He did this, he busted, like, he beat down Ving Rhames. He busted these guys. Got all those Panasonics. He got all... He saved all the Panasonic TVs. Oh, so Panasonic. But then, like, one detective comes like hey detective Alka seltzer What was that about no idea what that means and then they're like and then he's you know just kind of saying like yeah

You're you're a bad cop like is he we've only seen him excel Because they established to that he's just a sergeant and his mom is like you're never gonna move up and and that sergeant's not a High position, but then he's the one who goes in and rescues the suicide jumper. Yeah. I think, here's what I think, I think the other people in the force in that precinct are very upset that he's having an affair with the boss. And that's why I think that guy's upset.

Cause if you look all of their scenes, Sylvester and JBW's scenes in the office, behind them, through those blinds, people are watching and looking and reacting. Guys, we have not talked about the extras in this movie. The extras in this movie are non-stop amazing. The people that fill out the rest of the police station are hilarious. At a certain point, when Sylvester and Estelle get into a fight on the street, Sylvester's

on the street, the mom is in the doorway of his house, it's nighttime, upwards of 20 bystanders just appear to watch them fight. People are hanging out of windows, people are like, and it is, all of them are so animated and are overacting so much. Like one of them is like like she's right like it is Crazy, that's it. That's a running theme of the movie is that anytime like the outside public? Here's that Sylvester has problems with his mom they feel they all feel collectively He's in the wrong and she's in the right the best the best version of that is when he's trying to save his mom from

Going to the airport they frame a shot where the His mom is like on the back of a golf cart driving through an airport lounge And he's having this dramatic scene with his mom and the guy driving the golf cart is like mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, like he's so center frame. It's awkward, but he's got to react like you could clearly tell her yeah I just pick a side is it but she's like you don't like me is it yeah yeah, yeah, like it's a funny scene. You should watch. I can't describe it more Awkward extra placement. They should have just moved it off the golf cart for a second Yeah, or just had that guy get off and like move luggage So that he's out of the shop don't frame it as a three-shot

Yeah, when one of the people is a non-established extra. This has been bothering me for 24 hours. The criminal who has a cold and that the cold is a running theme throughout the whole movie so he can just have the sneeze that then shows him that he's there in the last one. It's a long way to go for that sneeze. It was a long way to go. That sneeze is worthless. They are on the trail anyway. The sneeze doesn't prove anything.

The sneeze is... Although there was an amazing moment where the boss man said, when his two henchmen were who has a cold, when Estalgetian Sylvester were about to show up, he needs them to hide somewhere and he says, ah, go into the side office. Side office? Everyone has one. Of course. What's a side office?

What was his deal? That villain was so bad. I feel like this sneeze brings us back to an idea that we have to definitely talk about, which is one of the writers of this movie is Blake Snyder. Now Blake Snyder has made, RIP, God rest his soul, has made his career. He's dead? Yeah, he died a few years ago. Oh, I didn't know that.

Writing a book called Save the Cat. Save the Cat has become the new go-to how you write a movie book. And I would say, first of all, I was looking for the Save the Cat moment. We were talking about this before we started. Yes, which is a Save the Cat moment is a moment normally at the beginning of the movie, which endears you to the...

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's no lovability in either of them, I don't think. I think it was that... I think it didn't come until you find out he planned his father's funeral when he was 13 years old. Yeah. That was the only moment I was like, oh, he's okay. Well, in my mind, I thought the only... the Save the Cat moment was when he shot at that sign and it fell down on the crooks. That guy was like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Like an A-Team episode? Yeah.

Do you realize there are two occasions in this movie where he shoots a chain. Yes. He shoots a chain and it breaks that sign and then the wrecking ball. Yeah. Like that's how good he is. He can shoot a chain and it will break.

But you see, like to me, this is like the sweaty stuff of Save the Cat. Like the sneeze thing goes back to, like we'll establish a game and that game will undo the final thing. And also like the first thing goes back to like we'll establish a game and that game will undo The final thing and the and also like the first and the last shot like in the first scene of the movie Sylvester Stallone like shoots a sign down and then literally pulls the gun up to his mouth and blows it like you would do as A kid playing like guns, you know

And you know like whatever he says a line and at the end of the movie is still get he shoots somebody Blows the smoke I guess shoot him in the shoulder. She's a shitty shot. That's what infuriated me. She didn't even kill the bad guy. No, she, yeah. See, to me, the problem with the movie also is that one would think that it would be her,

what irritates him about her, should somehow help him in the end get the bad guy or the kooky ways in which she is and her personality should ultimately come back and help save the day. What happens in the movie is just she knocks people over the head with pants and then shoots them. Like there's no there's no skill that's used in an interesting way. I would like this movie where Sylvester Stallone's mom is coming in but also the bad guy's mom is also coming in and they have dueling moms.

That would actually be great. Great movie. I would have liked it only if Jackie Stallone had played Sylvester, his real mother had played. Have you ever heard her on like, oh my god. She used to come on How It's Durned. She's like a so cold lunatic. The movie is a bummer though because you sort of

have this feeling at the end where even if he does get rid of her, he's saddled with his other mother figure. Yeah. There's just such a depressed life view about women and their role in a man's life. It was just like so, it was such a bummer. And he didn't want to be with her anyway. No, there was no like, no.

She didn't represent anything that was cool. Except for him staring at a picture frame. Well, there was no like, no, that's the moment we never saw. Except for him staring at a picture frame that he genuinely, that he liked her at all. There is something really kind of crazy about his, cause he did eat all that breakfast too. Like one human really got like, when his partner, his partner also, the worst partner of all time. Cause he's glass butt.

Glass butt. But sometimes they say he was shot in the bus. He was shot, they're like, oh, your partner got shot. But no, it was sometimes they say he was shot in the bus. Glass butt. He was shot, they're like, oh, your partner got shot, but no, it was very clear that he had glass in his ass. He thought he was shot. He was so inconsistent. He thought he was shot.

And then Sylvester pulled a piece, a shard of glass out of his ass. He was a terrible cop. No wonder his mom was a better partner. I fully believe everybody was a terrible cop. Every single crime scene Sylvester arrived on, he inexplicably immediately became the lead detective on the scene. And walks through without any hesitation. And he's always in civilian clothes, so there's nothing to determine that he is a cop. They came across a guy who was going to jump out of a building, a bank robbery in process?

Oh no, that was the dream sequence. That was the dream sequence. The woman who had been kidnapped in the house with a weed poster. Oh right, oh my god. Oh my god, you know those people are bad because they framed a poster of weed. And he had a weed, that guy, the fat criminal had a weed pit, like, in on his vest. So that's how you establish that was his house. By the way- Well, the other crazy moment, and one of the more upsetting scenes to me was when Sylvester and the criminal

are sitting down at a table drinking chocolate milk that Estelle Getty has served to them and she walks out and then they both look at each other and they're talking for a while and they have chocolate milk all over their mouths. Again a classic Beverly Hills cop move. Yep. They have a moment. Maybe they were like eating each other's asses out. all over their mouths. Again, a classic Beverly Hills cop move. Yup. They have a molded. Very visual weapon.

Do you think that maybe they were like, eating each other's asses out? Ha ha ha. He represented. Do you think that's the subtext of that scene? I mean, I would hope, if Blake Snyder wrote it, I would hope that that is what we were going for. This is what's like really just,

I know I keep on saying the movie's misogynistic, which it is, but it also to me is like, a very sad portrayal of men, because the takeaway is like, oh, men are also very young boys. Yeah, all men are boys. is like a very sad portrayal of men because the the the takeaway is like oh men are also very young boys yeah all men are boys all men need to be bothered. All women are mommies. And all women are naps. Come and change my dada. Also they never address the fact that Estelle Getty is a terrible person because she withholds evidence in a murder case. Oh yes! So she like does not want to help solve a crime, just wants to help.

Like that's sociopathic. Yeah. I now believe that you are right, June, and that this is a misery style sociopath movie. Yeah, you feel like this, you feel what she needs out of him. Again, much like, you know, not like Jack and Jill where you actually do feel for her. Alright, Jack and Jill. I want you to, not like Jack and Jill where you actually do feel... Alright, Jack and Jill. I want you to... Can we do that show?

We should do an episode where... I love Jack and Jill. Let's actually just play one of the scenes where Sylvester is very upset with his mom and he tells the Joe Beth Williams, this is with Sylvester and his girlfriend, just to hear where he's frustrated because I think this is a good little scene here. Gwen, she's supposed to go back Monday. Yeah, but before she witnessed the dry-fi killing. Well, it came in fire back?

Now you're being ridiculous. Aw, come on. When did she stay as bad as Monday? I should have gotten up killing myself. What is wrong with you, Joe? Tootie seems like a wonderful person. Warm, caring, obviously crazy. Yeah, crazy is right.

She acts like I'm in second grade. She talks to total strangers about my diaper red. She just humiliates me. I'd say she loves you, Joe. Why would I love a child that ain't nuts? Well, either way way she's staying There we go just so they just so the war again the most shoehorn plot device She's got to stay with you because she's us and there's another suicide reference

That's three and this light come this is a dark movie I also I know I'd like to put it out to our audience to cut a trailer for this movie that makes it seem like a horror movie. That would be amazing. You could easily do it. There's so many shots of her that are spooky. And have you changed the music from like clown car music to actual scary music? Oh my gosh. He talks like he has a muffin in his mouth.

All the time. All the time. And I know that's his thing, but in that scene he's holding a dog and I couldn't understand anything It is it is he is talking. He also is talking at times so slowly in scenes It's as if he's never spoken the words before and you know what when we were talking about the props I actually thought to myself I think the I had to go to the props and to the surrounding because the scene was so long and he was talking so slowly. He is, it is like when he's opening his mouth to talk it is like a black hole opens and I don't care

what any of it's and nothing happens. But for someone who can't talk he has a lot of monologues in this movie. Oh, I mean but for someone who can't talk you shouldn't be doing a comedy because that would be where the majority of the movie would be. How about the I'll be back joke? Oh yeah. How weird was that? There were a few pop culture references in this movie that were so out of place. Estelle Getty says I'll be back and he's like why'd you say that? And I'm like is this like him taunting Arnold from within his own movie?

Oh of course. Yes. Because at the time they were like the two big dogs. And this came out the year that Terminator 2 came out. Oh, really? This is why I watched this movie and it was I can't like 1992 was not a terrible year Like this movie felt more if I watched it in 92. It would have felt 20 years old Well, that's I feel like I feel like it feels like it feels like if you said this is like yeah It felt like it should have been an early 80s movie

Yeah, but this is also the title and everything is very like honey. I shrunk the kids. You know we go ahead It just felt like that like here's a really you know the fact that the titles called Don't stop or my mom will shoot Stop or my mom will shoot Don't forget don't throw mama from the train. Yes, that's where I get but you see Or stop around Mama's. But don't forget, don't throw Mama from the train. Yes, that's where I get those. But you see.

Right, right, right. But now, but here's the other one. And I just checked it. Or throw Mama from the train. Do you remember this movie? Throw Mama from the train. Don't, Cop and a Half, which was, Cop and a Half was Burt Reynolds

paired up with a very young, tiny kid. So his partner was a little kid. And that was like his partner. Well this is like. And also Turner and Hooch, right? Which is a cop and a dog. Oh yes, Turner and Hooch, K-9. Like there is, when I finished the movie on Netflix,

all of the recommended movies, because I'd just watched it, was like a cavalcade of disastrous movies from this exact same era. Well people are like, buddy-cot movies are popular, let's subvert it in some way. Let's take a quick break and we will come right back I do want to talk about one thing here about his clothes clearly

I think Sylvester Stallone while shooting the movie had like a change first of all his pants are always up way too high He's wearing high-waisted jeans. Basically. Yes, which I guess that's just what jeans were then I think so, right? Yeah, yes, which I guess that's just what jeans were then I think so right yeah Oh all jeans were like that, but the shirts like there was a shirt problem throughout the whole Yes, because he get I felt like in the middle of movie changed to Hawaiian shirts for I mean he had no really Hawaiian shirts Just like like very Pattern E sure it's like Bill Cosby Like yeah like shirts instead of sweaters. This would be what he would wear.

It was like the costume designer from the Cosby show was on hiatus from the Cosby show and came over and did this movie. I'll do this. Yeah. I actually felt like there was a vision for his character in terms of the way he looked that was more boyish and more in line with the Ducks and the jack-o-lantern and stuff. And he, like, I was feeling like he refused to wear that stuff. And so he wore these kind of tight t-shirts and jeans. Quarter-eyed jackets. Yeah, like it was, it felt like, well, this tells me nothing about your character. Like, I have no idea what I'm watching here. But I will say, JB Dubs was impeccably dressed in some power suits.

Oh, she was rocking it out. Hillary Clinton. Oh, He really set that up What about the final line of the movie? I was still getting bread, you know notices a somebody she saw in America's most wanted Oh on the screen so that's her so and chases it down again becomes the lead cop because another cop just hands him his handcuffs and And why is that guy at the airport with a gun? Yeah, no reason reason what I mean She Coincidentally

Yeah, like he says she goes I remember what he did he killed his mother slow close-up on to Sylvester Stallone weird smile and Freeze that's the end of the movie and freeze frame. Well, I thought what happened, maybe I'm wrong, is that he sort of shared a look with the guy. Like, I get it. Yeah. And then freeze frame. I thought he didn't share a look with the guy. I thought he was looking at his mom like, can you blame him?

That's what I thought. That's exactly what I thought. Because I'd like to put a bullet in you. It was basically the subtext of that. She, in the whatever, three weeks that she is in Los Angeles, witnesses a drive-by murder. She happens upon so much chaos and craziness that it's, she's unfazed. Someone is shot to death in front of her

and she's just kind of like, ooh. But I have to say, this was watching the movie, to death in front of her and she's just kind of like, ooh. She walks away. Yeah. But I have to say, this was watching the movie, I'm like, wow, this was my image of LA at that time, like with drive-bys and stuff, like I was like, oh, I guess that's what Los Angeles is. Trucks of guns and trees. So this movie just proved to you a truth?

This is a documentary, right? Wait, what? This is like an Errol Morris film. Wait, what? I mean, by the way, we talked about it very briefly, but the bad guy is so terrible in this. Roger Reese, who I think was like the love interest on Cheers. Oh he was, for Diane.

Yeah, right. But he was, like I don't even know, I don't actually even understand what the plot of, like the same was. I don't know what his business was. So, the plot, and they solve it, like they sit at a picnic table outside and look at documents and figure out what the mystery is. So she never helps actually, like you were saying with her like wacky mom ways, like a pineapple jar.

They don't tie in. Those aren't going to come back. They never come back. Don't look to them. Although she did make a cake. She made a bit with all those pineapples. Oh boy. I laughed when she opened that suitcase.

That gave me a chuckle. Because to me that's something that's what's so weird about the fact that Blake Snyder She made a bit with all those pineapples. Yeah. I laughed when she opened that suitcase. That gave me a chuckle. Because to me that's something that's so weird about the fact that Blake Snyder wrote this, is that those things, those tropes of using all of her games to come back and help save the day, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a good movie, but it was sort of shocking to know, oh, that's not even there. I mean, I would argue that you could not describe Sylvester Stallone's character with an adjective. Because you don't really see him being unemotional.

They say he is unemotional. You don't see it. You don't know if he's a good cop or a bad cop. The mother goes, I mean, she's also, every character is just. She's a, they're all terrible people. Everybody in this movie has like borderline personality disorder. Yeah.

Like they genuinely do not seem to understand basic human interactions, empathy, um, like nobody's in control of anything, like it is- everyone is a stone-cold disaster. And no one genuinely likes each other. No. They all fucking hate each other. Oh yeah. Yeah. He gives the other guy a sw each other. No. They all fucking hate each other. He gives the other guy a swirly. An adult man gives another adult man a swirly in the swirly.

And not really even commented on after the fact. I was like, if guys are going to fight who are cops, they're not going to give each other like swirly's. That happens a lot in the police station in LA. That was the whole rampart scandal. Stel says to him at some point that she wants to spank him. That happens a lot in the precincts in LA. That was the whole Rampart scandal. Well, then it's, yeah. Stel says to him at some point that she wants to spank him. No, no, she says that to the bad guy.

She says that to the bad guy. She's like, I'm gonna pull your pants down and give you a spanking. Oh, mom. I mean, that was, that's some sexy ass shit right there. Well, she knows a peen when she looks at it. You can also cut a trailer for this movie guys that is a porno. Yes, or is about Estelle and Sylvester doing it. It's like, oh, cut a romantic comedy trailer.

A mom comedy? Oh, mom comedy? For them to follow? For an incest movie. I love that. For a sexy incest movie like Spanky and the Monkey, but funny. Obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are some people who have a larger, better opinion. Second Opinion.

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Universal needs to put this movie on DVD as soon as they can because mothers fighting against crime love it, and so do I. Oh my God, that's great. So that could be real or fake. I feel like that sounds real. I think that's real. And this one, this is another long one, but it's worth it.

This is one of those movies panned by critics, but both endearing and of enduring value. Chemistry, perfect casting for the comedic tension, poetic acting. The plot is a twisted- Poetic acting? Yes. Paul?

The plot- Poetic acting? Poetic acting. The plot is a twisted, timeless cliche ignored and bemused by seriously real characters. Stallone, as the strapping adult son, befuddled and arrested by his tiny mom, is hilarious. Estelle Getty puts it all together as a mom who variously is tenacious,

quintessential, sympathetic, dejected and sly. Jo Beth Williams excels in her role as a romantic interest in the comedic setup, but Estelle becomes our mom, the universal mom experience. And she busy bodies her way into the impossible action adventure situations and standard detective novel dysfunction romance What makes this movie so great is its profound and uplifting humor created through a sum greater than its parts a common fantasy story interrupted by an everyday mom an omnibus well-played five stars by Wilhelm That is that is That is a really...

That's ludicrous. Poetic acting. Quintessential. Quintessential. Profound. Omnipotent. Oh man. So that is... I will also tell you what Sylvester Stallone said. Do it in a Stallone voice. Do it in a Stallone voice. Maybe one of the worst films I've ever been in. Maybe one of the worst films in the entire solar system, including Alien Productions, which we've never seen.

A flat worm could write a better script. And in some countries, China, I believe, running the movie once a week on a government television has lowered the birth rate to zero. If they ran it twice, every 20 years, China would be extinct. Wait, did you say- He did some math there though. That's hilarious. Did you say a worm could have written a better- Every 20 years China would be extinct A worm could have written a flatworm a flatworm could have written a better screen not just any worm a

Flat by the way, that's fucking hilarious Yeah But this is when this is why I question why he did the movie because he's one of those secret smart people Yes, he wrote rocky right? Rambo and he's written everything. Oh, yeah, what was this? I know he probably wanted to do comedy It's the early 90s, but the the choices he was paying for steroids with this one This is like this is like paying off a house or vacation. It's so crazy because it is so bad But they're also three writers So you feel like Blake Blake Snyder was like wrote the first draft It might have been funny and they're like we gotta bring this to alone guys, too And all three writers in there produced an 86 minute movie

Which launched a bidding war if I read according to the Wikipedia page there was a bidding war for this movie Oh my gosh Getty cop movie moms. it's gonna be great. Holy shit, that's depressing. Would you guys recommend seeing this movie to anyone? I think it's, yes. Sure, why not? Sure.

I mean, it's terrible. It's terrible, but it's very, it's watchable. It's on Netflix and, yeah. It's watchable, yeah. I did get a genuine laugh in this movie one genuine laugh and I was embarrassed to admit it But there's one scene where he's like shaving or brushing his teeth and they pull out to reveal that Estelle Getty is literally in front of him and like between the bathroom mirror and him It's like it's like she hit the cuz she's so short you could hide it So she's like underneath him, yelling at him.

But I thought that was a fun review. I think we're putting a lot on Sylvester. I actually really think the bigger problem was with her. Wow. I've never heard anyone place the blame on Estelle. I know, I know, it's a little controversial. I felt like she's doing something we've already seen her do on Golden Girls.

It's like there was nothing different. Not pulling any punches, finally. Taking on a still getty. Because she wasn't Italian. She was Boblowski. It was different than a Sofia character. I think that's why you can

argue she never did another, I mean she did two other movies, but they were very far in between. So you wouldn't characterize her as a feminist icon? Did you see that she, did you feel that she loved Sylvester? Yes. You did? I feel like, I genuinely felt like she wanted to fuck him.

Yeah, I felt something very wrong. Maybe she trained him to present. You know she was the youngest of the Golden Girls. Yeah. And died first. So is a crazy stat. I feel like she might die every night, and they reanimate her every morning

like in some sort of fucked up. The Michael Jackson. The weekend at Bernie's. Yep. Anything to keep Off The Rockers on the air, which go check it out. It's, it is really fun. It's actually a good show.

It is, June, June. I will say that it's- June, what are you talking about? I was the one who- June had the same reaction and I made her watch it because Rob Hubel told me, he's like, you gotta watch Off Their Rockers. I'm not watching that.

What are you talking about? No, you guys. We may have been a little stoned, but it was really good. So you're watching Jack and Jill and Off Their Rockers at home? Well, I saw Jack and Jill in the theaters. Oh. And with that, we bid you adieu. Thank you everybody for listening you can follow Kate Spencer at on Twitter at Kate Spencer. That's me. Yeah, it's very easy

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