How Did This Get Made? - Superman IV: The Quest For Peace LIVE! w/ Natasha Lyonne & Jessica St. Clair (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Natasha Lyonne (Poker Face) joins Paul, Jason, and guest co-host Jessica St. Clair to discuss the 1987 superhero film Superman IV: The Quest for Peace. LIVE from New York, they talk about Nuclear Man���s nails, amnesia kisses, and what’s up with Margot Kidder. Plus, we figure out what exactly is kryptonite. (Originally Released 12/22/2017) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

A movie performed with all the grandeur and enthusiasm of a theme park stunt show. We saw Superman 4, The Quest for Peace. So you know what that means. Now we start the show. Remake! How did Schwarzenegger grow a baby in his belly? Like a rhinestone vest while ripping Justin to Kelly? Or maybe see a burlesque show with Nick K Crowe And take a boat with speed to hitting cruise control J-Man, Big Paul, and the beautiful June Gonna take you from the groove all the way to the room

Rander games and Street Fighter hope to blow off steam Just a sucker punch the odd life of Timothy Green Sharknado to Birdemic, how we stayin' alive? They call it in the badass and he's on the line Cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice Cause the bad Jim Barney looking kind of nice Paul and June getting literal, Jason is getting laid June is making sure all the monkey shots getting paid

They judge a bunch of movies while they making the grade Here's a real question for you, how did this get made? just just steps away from the daily planet where Clark Kent works and Superman flies overhead and we have a doozy of a movie to talk about tonight Wow but I cannot do it alone tonight I'd like to do this with my co-host always with my co-host really always with my co-host really, Jason Manzoukas! What's up jerks! All right! Here we go! New York City electric crowd! Great, great looking crowd, Paul. Great looking crowd. This is not a bunch of people who read the Warfield publications, I tell you that much.

These are real New Yorkers. I was just in the Starbucks getting a coffee. Yeah. I believe every single person in the Starbucks was on their way to the show. A lot of people wanted to talk to me about the show. And I gave them my classic, don't you fucking talk to me about the show and I gave him my classic don't you fucking talk to me I talked to you through your ears it's what me not in person it makes you approachable though it's a yeah um spoiler alert I got kicked out of that Starbucks because you said it to the barista who was simply asking for your order. By the way, he was a big fan.

Jason, I'll have you know, this is the first movie I ever walked out of. Or, I should say, almost walked out of as a child. I was a huge Superman fan. You just said, this is the first movie I walked out of, and then you said, wait, this is the first movie I almost walked out of. Well that's- In fact, you did not watch this movie. Well no, I watched it for this. You did not walk out.

No, for this I watched it, but as a child I saw it in an empty theater with a friend, I was like, oh, you're gonna love it. Soup Man is the best. It's so good. And like 20 minutes in I was like, what's the- How old are you? What year is this? I, uh tell us 87 so I'm like I'm like think of all the things you could be remembering I'm like nine years old yeah and I'm seeing this movie for you know like I'm not so excited and then I'm like it sucks and And we I'm like should we leave but it was also so exciting to see a movie that We just walked to the back of the theater and like hung out by the door And then you watched it in a worse fashion and well then we were like I hate this so much

I want it to be harder to watch. But then we're like, well let's just pretend we're Superman and we would just run up and down the aisle pretending to fly and ignoring the movie, so... I would, if I was in a movie and I was on the aisle and there was a kid... Oh! I would straight up clothesline that kid the the interest

this side note was the theater was completely empty oh we were the only two people with paying tickets I respect the state so then why did you go to the back because they're like should we leave and we just hung out by the door like we'll go there is a movie we have not done that we should probably do which is I believe the only movie I walked out of yes which I walked out of with my entire family because I was I'm gonna guess similar age ish I'm not sure and it is the Hercules movie that Lou Ferrigno stars in wherein at one point he picks up a bear he throws the bear into outer space and the bear becomes the constellation of stars Ursa Major but and correct me if I'm wrong that's in a movie correct me

if I'm wrong though that was done all practically that was a real bear and it was to be fair a documentary well Jason We have a very special guest filling in tonight for this How Did This Get Made All-Star. Has this been announced? No. No one knows who it is until right now. Before we do that, I just want to say what's up balcony! You guys get it. You guys get it. You waited the longest to get tickets and you're wasted already. Tonight we have a very special guest. She made her first appearance on the show in a little movie called Pluto Nash. Please welcome Jessica St. Clair! Welcome! Yeah! This is great!

Jessica, we have kidnapped you to come with us on our little How'd This Get Made tour and forced you to watch these movies. First thoughts out of the gate for Superman 4, Quest for Peace. Made me feel sick. I also am curious, how hard was it for you to figure out how to watch these movies? So hard. I did try to be very specific about making sure you had every way to find them. And I still didn't. I was on the plane and I was like, oh god no.

Streaming, and then I was like, I don't have the right headphones! And then I thought to myself, I'm going to have to play it out loud. And I was like, I don't have the right headphones! And then I thought to myself, I'm gonna have to play it out loud. And I was prepared to. Wait, you don't have the right headphones? I had to purchase them from Virgin America. It was tough stuff. So actually, to be honest, one of them were broken. So I had to go like this,

so I could only listen with one ear. That was enough though. So you cocked your head over an iPad or laptop? Yes. So you couldn't be watching the screen? Yeah yeah I was watching it half half watching it. I got it. I got the gist. I got the gist. I got the gist. I thought that those guys were gonna show up. Which movie do the guys in the pleather suits from outer space show up? Superman. Oh, thank God it wasn't that one. Because that one really made me feel sick.

What? That's the best one! That movie is fantastic. That's one of the best ones. Compared to this movie. I disagree. This one had kind of the charm of like a... When Harry Met Sally. What?

As you can tell, our choice of substitute guest is perfect. Ladies and gentlemen, I think it's, and I will, I'm only, I would like to give the audience license, if St. Clair does it, to June her. Go ahead. I think that's appropriate. You should feel free to indulge in it. Guess what? June got my haircut.

Took a picture of it, went and got it. Let's also bring out our very special guest tonight. She is fantastically funny, amazingly talented. You've seen her on Orange is the New Black. She has a short film that she wrote and directed called Cabiria Charity Chastity, which is on YouTube. And Kenzo, please welcome Natasha Lyonne! CHEERING

Oh, hey! Yeah! That's my hand. Now it's going to stay there. Welcome, Natasha. Thank you. Now, right out of the gate for you as well. Your first experience.

Is this your first Superman movie that you've seen? I don't think so. I don't care. I want to say, as like a vague opener. But were you familiar with Superman as a concept? Yeah, I know Superman exists for sure. For sure. In fiction? Or are you saying right now, you know Superman exists for real and you are telling us? All over the place, Superman is always everywhere. Yeah.

So everybody knows Superman. For sure. That said. Yeah, everyone knows Superman. But like not my bag, so. It's not like you're not going to seek out. You would never watch this movie. No.

Okay. But maybe have seen it right There maybe maybe it was on in the background like one day while you're a home for the kid. Yeah, so yeah Yeah, okay check out this this it does settle a huge internet conspiracy Or a kid, right? Oh yeah, yeah, big time. Because a lot of people on Reddit are saying that you arrived as a 36-year-old woman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there are pictures of you full-size as a baby, which people are computing. Yes, and that's on me. Uh, but, uh, no, I was, you know, gremlins. Yeah, you do that on movies. Yeah, I was, you know, gremlins. Yeah, you know that whole movie. Yeah, I know this.

So, did you enjoy, did you enjoy your experience with Superman IV, The Quest for Peace? Meh. All right. That's, by the way, that sums up this movie. Yes. It's such a cash grab. Just to put some context on it,

the Salkinds, who made the first three movies, were like, this thing ran out of money. So they sold it to these other people, the Canon Film Company, who've made some, yeah, some classic films in our- I didn't realize that. Yes. Oh, interesting. So they kind of like, we'll milk this cash cow,

but right out of the gate, the movie was budgeted for like about 40 million And then a week before it started they cut it down to 16 million. So Who got that secret money like where the extra well, there's a lot of suspect stuff at the Canon company Yeah, there's a lot like I would say that everything in Lex Lex Luther's apartment was like from one of those guys's house like yeah Yeah, or I would bet it's a lot of it is from other canon movies that they just had in storage Yeah, because nothing makes sense in Lex Luthor's apartment Hackman comes out smelling like roses who does? Jane. Yeah. Yeah

Are you telling me? That they did not blow holes in the Great Wall of China in this movie? By the way, there are no Asian people on that wall. Yeah. I rewound it! I rewound it too! Because then I thought, maybe this isn't the Great Wall, maybe this is a wall in England that I'm not aware of. So, I-

Adrian's wall or something. The Great Wall of Brighton? Brighton! I literally... Because there's not one Asian to be seen. Well, I mean, you could maybe argue that, like, not a lot of Asian people go to the Great Wall because they live there and that's how... I went on this mental journey as well.

But you've got to imagine that somebody's grandmother's coming to visit and they're saying, hey, you know, let's go see the Great Wall. There should be a tour guide of Asian descent, you would think. Yeah! I had an issue with the Great Wall scene simply because I couldn't discern what power Superman was using to rebuild the wall. It was nuclear man.

And we'll get into the plot. The plot, I mean, it's a loose assemblage of scenes in this movie. I hate to say it, but it was all, it was very obviously masonry vision. Ha ha ha! One of Superman's lesser known powers is that he can look at masonry and put it back together.

That the grout work is flawless. Can I ask a question? Paul, you seem to be a Superman expert. Yeah, sure. Um... Professionally, yes. Are-it seems that all he does is catches things and moves them.

Is that-does he have any other things he can do? He also blows... Cold air. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey. Whoa, Paul. Too soon. Things he can do he also blows Too soon He can blow cold air Heat vision catches great catches like women in the middle floating women Yeah, the. By the way. In the air, boom, he's there. I have to say, I was pretty amazed to see that this movie, or I guess gravity, ripped

off this movie pretty badly. The first sequence of this movie was straight up gravity. Yeah. And, you know, I'm just saying, look, I'm not one to point a finger, but I think they stole it from this movie. Yeah. I think a lot of movies stole directly from this movie. Oh yeah.

The Great Wall with Matt Damon. Also a movie with all white dudes on the Great Wall. I'm starting to think we've been misled and China is full of white people. Just to just hit back that Great Wall thing. So apparently that was going to be a very big section of the movie that Nuclear Man destroys the Great Wall of China. Is that what he's called? That's his name? Are you calling him that?

That's his name. Nuclear Man? Is it ever said? Well that shouldn't be a shock to you. Like, what Luther does say it. He does? Because I missed him say it too and I kept being like, who is this? And what's up with those Lee press on nails?

Whoa. Those press on nails? Nothing's more scarier than like a delicate nail. Like a gel. It's like a gel I got done recently. That was the moment where I felt like I checked out from like kitsch You know of like oh, it's charming look at all those this kid is this CGI cutout whatever To now I don't want to play anymore Thank you for lasting that long yeah, because I was like with the fake nails. I was like this is now nobody

Because I was like with the fake nails I was like this is now nobody on the movie Nobody cares about the work they're doing That's a woman's hand Yeah This is And here's poor Margot Kidder giving it everything she's got And by the way his nail beds are terrible Duh My man

Well there is nothing It's like There is nothing more scary to me than that guy in the Guinness World Book of... Can you freeze? Can you freeze? Oh, shit. Can you back up? Do you think he's like, wait, are those my nails? Yeah.

Like, they had the budget originally for, like, claws. You created me and I've got lonely press-on nails? How did this get me? How did this get me? I've got Lee press on nails? I have so many issues with nuclear man ultimately because a majority, clearly they ran out of money and they're like, let's just do a fight scene on the moon. But we've been told that nuclear man's power is from the sun. So anytime he leaves the atmosphere of Earth, he's in darkness. He should be totally... No, only if he's on the dark side of the moon.

Because the Sun is still... Okay, so that Sun is still getting him? I mean, but we're saying, like, Lex Luthor is pulling up... But there's a much bigger problem. There's a much bigger problem, which is the man I've just found out his name is Nuclear Man flies... It's Marilyn Hemingway, right? No, who's the... Marilyn Hemingway, yes. Yeah, Marilyn Hemingway flies her into space where she appears to be like...

She can breathe. What's happening? She would literally implode... Yes. And be just floating pile of guts that would go on forever. Yes. Because the silence of space and the inertia of whatever motion would bring her blobby corpse of nonsense through the rest of the galaxy. That's right. Well, let's even break down the fact

when Superman flies with Lois Lane, he goes from New York to San Francisco so quick that she would also be dead. Yes. And there would be no time for casual conversation in that flight. It'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Also, if I'm Superman, and I'm,

oh, will you hold my hand this way? And I'm holding Lori's hand, if I'm holding, ew. Dream of dreams. Why, ooh, why does it burn? So wet. Why does your touch burn? So wet. Okay, ah, okay.

So if we're flying this way and I'm like, there's no way she's also doing this. She would be dangling down here. But then she's allowed to fly on her. You be Superman now. You be Superman. I, if I could... He, he would...

But not only that... Gravity works on me. But he lets her fly on her own like Peter Pan she doesn't let her fly He lets her plummet He let her throw that an experience death He does like a straight-up suicide pack with her walks her off the building this I had a problem Okay, okay. This is this is a worthwhile scene to watch because it's so crazy. Yeah. Like, why would he do this to her?

He has a crush on her and he says, I want to get some, let's get some fresh air. Yeah, can I ask a question before we play this? Yes. That was confusing for me about this. At this point, she does not know he's Superman. That's my question! This is what we need to get to the bottom of. So as a professional Superman expert,

what I find the most upsetting about this film is they... A PSE. A PSE. Is they just repurpose scenes from the first two movies. Like this scene where he takes her flying is in Superman one and it's beautiful and it's like an amazing scene and here like let's just do it because he needs to tell her a secret and then he's gonna like give her amnesia again but in Superman 2 the whole thing is she finds out he is Clark Kent of Superman and then amnesia

and then they forget it well so what is, they're at a hotel, they're doing an expose on cheesy hotels, and she keeps on trying to kill herself to prove that he would rescue her as Superman. And then he finally puts his hand in a fire. I know too much about Superman. That's not in this movie. No, no. Okay. but, but this is... But, no, but this is the fourth one. So in the, in the lineage of the story,

like, that's the fourth one, so we, we understand that. So, but the idea was, at the end of Superman 2, she's like, I'll keep your secret. I know everything. He's like, great. Then he kisses her so hard... that she forgets everything from that movie. What? And so, because, like, in the first movie, he flies around the earth and then like rewinds the earth,

which I have issues with, but um... But, so he kisses her so hard, she forgets. What's interesting is can't the flash do the same thing? Yes. So that's a problem. But nobody gives a shit about the flash. The flash would have to run. If there's two people in the DC universe who can reverse time simply by reversing the axis of...

That's really... That's foolish. Tell it to the people at DC. You know what? I'm going to. Take care everybody. See you later. But only coming back when I've got an answer. Bendis is finally going over to DC to correct this problem. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. That's why this movie makes it so dumb, because it was a big deal that she found out, then he fixed it, and now it seems like whenever he wants to kind of like chat with his therapist, he's like, yes. When Superman 3, what happens there?

She doesn't know that he, she doesn't, she's barely in it, and she doesn't know. I wonder, negotiations broke out for the last minute. Was she in France? Yeah, she was in France. She's always in France. She loves France. Aw.

Superman 2 opens up with her in France. This movie perpetrates that myth that women love France. They do. That's true. So basically... I stand behind that. Top of the patriarchy. So the whole idea is that it's a big deal that she knows, but then she says to him,

I always remembered. Even when you gave me that amnesia kiss, I remembered. Because she said, I never forgot. But then that takes away everything. It's a stupid, it's stupid. So wait, when he gives her this amnesia kiss, does she still remember? I don't know.

Is that a power he has in addition to moving things? And also, can he kiss and it not be an amnesia kiss? Well, all his kisses. Every time he kisses you, you don't remember what just happened. That's fucked up. Can he kiss and it not be an amnesia kiss? Every time he kisses you you don't remember what just happened right? What if they decide to say it's like a superman roofie, you know You feel like your buttholes sore, but you don't know why Yeah, that's how people love each other. That's how people love each other. This is what women are like.

We women are taken back tonight. Top of the patriarchy. We're going to topple the patriarchy in France. And major cases. I wanted to ask Natasha because as a young... So everybody else don't listen Girl Yeah One of my earliest like sexual memories was watching Flash Gordon

Old school where they had like a tin can and then like he'd be tied There's even no new school of Flash Gordon Okay fine so that was it And then I was trying You mean the TV show The TV show yeah where people be tied up every so often, you know what I mean? People be tied up? Uh-huh.

You're a wildcat. That's right. Love to unpack this for a minute. At any rate, I spent a lot of this movie watching it thinking like, did this turn me on when I was little? And I was wondering, I think top-up Superman does it for me yeah from the bottom especially those boots yeah is killing my lady boner yeah I would argue that nuclear man I I can't tell cuz I was so blinded by like definitely like Gene Hackman like Lex Luthor

I'm like all in. That's who you were into. Interesting. That's my scene and I feel like in general That's your scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An apartment that looks like a TJ Maxx home goods. I don't care. You know what I love? How about his fucking that gold blazer he puts on? Well I think he and Marriott Hemingway were sharing wardrobe I am not. Ah, a lot of lame. I am not surprised to find out that Natasha Lyonne is horny for villains. Yeah. Yeah, Lex Luthor, come on. And the whole time he's like, he's so cocky.

He's like, yeah, I'm a genius. Give me all your money. I'm taking over. I want to see this movie. I want to see this movie! And he's like, yo, Duckie, break me out of the clink. You know? He's great.

I just got a text. Jesse Eisenberg has been fired as Lex Luthor in the new movies. You are in. Please, I wish I could get a job like that. I will say that as much as it seems like no one wanted to be here Jean Hackman and Christopher Reeve are first of all, Chris is killing it. I think always always in the moment But Jean Hackman also funny thing about Jean Hackman is Lex Luthor is a bald man Fully a bald man, but like he was like at certain points like oh, I don't want to wear that bald wig anymore

bald man but like he was like at certain points like oh I don't want to wear that bald wig anymore so he just wore his normal hair and they never justify it like at least the second one they're like oh it's a wig and then he takes it on that's what Lex is like he's like fuck your wig I don't want to fucking wear it that's why don't you feel like Lex that um Gene Hackman that was like the last time his hair was like that full and it was kind of giving him some energy like some like a real Jua de Vivre, you know what I mean? Like he had a very Bill Murray-esque energy. I thought I liked it. I liked it, but also I Also thought the worst plan of all time to escape from jail Lex is working on a chain gang his nephew Lenny Luther,

played by John Cryer, comes to pick him up. Who is literally Ducky, but with like a Valley Girl accent. Yeah, the accent, big, big choice. Like I'm sure that for all of us watching certain things like Margot Kidder's French, Mario Hemingway on the table, like Ducky's accent. You're like, as an actor, you're like, wow, these are major choices. That... It's almost like at the beginning,

the director was like, I need everybody to make a choice that seems too big, then double it. They're like, we're going to make up for the lack of budget in performance. You give me $2 million. What about John Cryer's, like, the scene going to make up for the lack of budget in performance. You give me two million dollars. Remember? What about John Cryer's, like, the scene you can tell is looping when he's being spun.

And that's where the Valley girl, I want to watch that too. Well, the plan to pick up for Lex, and this is where the movie is this lazy. It's like, he comes in a car and the plan is like this car is gonna be so cool But the two security guards watching chain gang are gonna be like I need to listen to the sound system in this car So then they're gonna have to get in and then he has a remote control to flip down the seat Never mind that he has just driven up to a prison camp and then the car like launches off a cliff and then that's their only means of escape.

Yeah. No. No, there's a truck. Oh. The truck the prisoners arrived in is what they then leave. Oh, okay. All right. Well then good.

Then that has no problem. But I will, I agree. I agree they trashed a pretty cool car. I like that car. It was all decked out with the Lord of Ways. Also, did you guys think it was amazing, like, seconds after, so they drive off a clip, they're definitely dead. Then you cut to the clip. You think?

Right? But, then you cut and the police are like, We're still alive! And I feel like somebody, when a screening, was like, that's too sad. And so then they just put them on a rock in Griffith Park and were like, ah, I'm still here. This whole movie is about weird cutaways. Like when Superman and Lois Lane are flying, she takes off his glasses and then puts her on a belt loop.

Like, I'll keep these for later. Like, are weird. But it's also very much a cartoon. And that's what comics are like on the big screen. Interesting. Tell us more. Yeah, I don't want to talk about this anymore. Just a couple of things about this movie. Christopher Reeve had story by credit. This is his movie. He wanted to tell this story because the nuclear arms race was very important to him. And he also...

He was a notorious communist, am I correct? Yes. So he was pro-Russia. Yes, and that's part of the thing that goes on that we don't really see, but yes. Can I say something? I'm so sorry to interrupt. This show is all interruptions all the time, so don't you worry. On Amazon, are you guys familiar? When you watch it and then there's the little pop-ups of the information.

Early on it says, oh Christopher Reeves was so sad that the movie was such a flop and it was so bad that it destroyed any credibility he had and he was really had put his heart in it and was very disappointed to find out that it was gonna be actually this bad of a movie and it really colored my experience. Yeah Christopher Reeve not a fan. You read that before you watched it. I did. I just felt unappreciated because of you know his life and tragedy and then I did have this darker sort of K-hole. You know what?

Come to think of it, I have not seen him in a movie recently. Okay. Who wants to... Jerk City, population one. Christopher Reeve, he... But apparently, according to some of the research I hear from our expert researcher, Nate Kiley, Christopher Reeve, um, was not super nice, or I guess not nice to Margot Kidder.

Margot Kidder's like, ah, he had a crazy ego on this one because he wrote it, and he wanted to do his own thing, and then his autobiography... Oh, and he fired a fancy director didn't he? yeah well Wes Craven was the original director of this movie okay guys yes Wes Craven now um the uh this is Wes's pitch for the movie okay scary superman

bigger nails bigger nails and he comes out in superman's dreams Okay. It's like, scary Superman. Bigger nails. Bigger nails! And he comes out in Superman's dreams, and he's clawing, oh, and his face is burnt from the sun. And he's got a cool fedora made of the sun. And he's got, and it's a red, it's like a red sweat. Yeah.

It will never work Christopher Reeves autobiography still me he wrote we were so hampered by budget constraints and cutbacks We can and films had 30 projects in the works and Superman 4 received no special considers Consideration for example We wrote a scene in which Superman lands on 42nd Street and walks down the double yellow lines to the United Nations where he gives a speech. If that had been a scene in Superman 1, we would have had it shot it on 42nd Street. Richard Johner would have choreographed hundreds of pedestrians and vehicles and cut the people gawking out of office windows and

instead we had to shoot in an industrial park in England in the rain with less than a hundred extras, not a car in sight, and a dozen pigeons thrown in for atmosphere. That is, that is fucked up. Not a lot of, not a lot of credit was given to those pigeons who, whose lives were lost. Those few pigeons had to represent a multitude of pigeons. You know, if June were here, So many. multitude of pigeons. You know, if June were here I think she'd...

Also like they didn't have pigeons in England before then and then they brought those pigeons over there and now they're like... Now pigeons have taken over England. It's an epidemic of pigeons. Well, well, well, between Christopher Reeve's disappointment and of course the way his life panned out and Margot Kidder and the intensity level of what Lois Lane got it and you know what happened to Margot was not great. Wait what's up with Margot? I really don't know what happened to Margo. No, you're not being serious, are you? Yes, I'm being serious.

Well, it did not look terrible. Guys, we'll Google it later. Google it later. Let's all just be quiet for a second while you Google it and we watch. Why, did like a gorilla rip her face off or something? Well, the point of the story... That's like a really tragic thing. Wow, very dark. She, the double whammy of their tragic lives for me...

It was hard to watch. It felt very much like a K-hole experience. Perhaps I was more like being, watching Apocalypse Now and Surround Sound. That's tough. Did you feel like maybe this movie was cursed? Yeah, like humanity and how broken and how sad and how dark it all becomes. Just because of kind of, you know, the hope of the original Superman, likely. And then the turn their double life took.

And so, here we are. And we'll be right back after these messages. Well, the one thing that was going great for this movie was the glasses. Everyone had pretty big glasses. From Merrill Hemingway to the reporters, everyone was rocking some sounds. Well, I think that tells us who is smart. If you have glasses on, you're a smart person in the movie, right? You know how to read or write.

I feel like they... Like in Tron, they did that too. Like the lead in the original Tron, like wore glasses, but you could tell he was not comfortable with it. He's like, yeah, I'm a nerd, but I'm also sexy. So he'd always just carry his glasses in his hand. Like they were like, as they're almost like, yeah, I got these.

I can wear them at any time, but I'm not not because I'm sexy The guy who plays the editor-in-chief is he always that person Perry White where the guy from David Warfield thick thick glasses That's Perry White. That's Jackie Cooper. Yes. He's been always the kind of editor of the How do you feel like, you know, who's who I editor of the Daily Planet. And how do you feel like you know who's who?

I felt like in this movie though everyone said like I'll definitely do Superman 4. I can give you seven hours. And no costume changes. You're just going to show up in this LeMay suit and I'm going to shoot it and then I'm taking that suit with me. Also, my family owns a gym. One of the scenes need to be shot in that gym. Yeah. Would it surprise you if I told you the original cut of the movie was...

35 minutes long. They had to add scenes for the first time. 135 minutes. Two hours, sorry over two hours and it tested so good that the Cannon brother, the Cannon film company, like we got a hit on our hands let's cut it to 90 so we can make play it more and so apparently according to everything I've read, the 135-minute version of the movie is actually pretty good. And they made it worse. And I'm going to show you a scene. Was that ever released?

That is wild. No. Like, does Ducky's drum talent have a storyline? Because we see them. We talk about them once. But I don't know what else. Nothing would make me happier than if that was really ducky. If at the end of 16 Candles he was like,

Oh, I just got a letter, my Uncle Lex needs me to... help out with something. See you after graduation. I guess, yeah, I guess I'll see you later. You should have chosen me. By the way, nothing in Lenny Luther's life made sense He's like he's a valley guy, but he's also into music But he like it there wasn't like punk rock because he has like a mohawk, right?

I mean, but it was like nothing really like if he was punk rock like that. I feel like he was all teen Things in one yeah, so that every group could be like, he's just like me. Yeah. By the way, it worked for the nine-year-old me. I love John Cryer and I was like, I love hiding out. I love Pretty in Pink. He's the best.

I would love to be Lenny Luther, you know. So it worked for me. See, it only worked for me at Duckie, because I was like, I'm 100% Duckie, but every other John Cryer, I was like, I'm not this guy. Not even hiding out. Yeah.

Hiding out is a good thing. Can I ask one question, too? Remember the scene where they first broke out and they were in the museum with Superman's hair? Yes. Real strong hair. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're wearing checkered pants

that looked like you would wear, like, if you were a chef or something, right? That's legitimate fashion for the time. And a tiger top. Is that a sports team? I'm not aware of or I'm why are they dressed identically this costume designer was mad Like yeah took it out on the act. Oh, I thought you meant insane mad. Oh, no No, I feel like her paycheck or his paycheck bounce clearing and it was like

Tiger shirt. Yeah, it could have been one of those things where they were like, you know what? He we're giving you all the clothes that you can use. Figure it out. Like, as if the wardrobe department couldn't go and pick and choose stuff to build stuff, they were like, we got a dump truck full of weird clothes. Half of it's from a clown picture a couple years ago. Make it work. It's like kids playing dress up. This hat will go with these pants. a clown picture a couple years ago, make it work.

It's like kids playing dress up. It's like, this hat will go with these pants. But it's almost radical, like how 80s it is, because it's one of these movies where across the board you forget how 80s the 80s are. And then you see something like this and you're like, oh, that's what they mean. This is like when Christopher Reeve is selling his house, and he's in those jeans that are so loose around his hip, but then also so tight around his dick, like, um... Yes!

I thought this was a real Jon Hamm scenario. Lose hip and tight dick-ly jeans. It's... Yeah. Because he had to pick a side side you don't get to be Superman unless you have a jacket on the fly it's like this portion is three times longer than normal jeans. Big dick jeans! Loose waist, tight dick. But I just, it makes me... There's so much fabric. Yeah.

There's so much fabric. You know I love dicks of dead people. That's my thing this whole scene it's all like selling the farm scene seemed weird can I ask a question did mine pocket die in Superman 3 sounds like it or time I believe that there's hit pocket dies Superman one that's okay't pop can't dies Superman one. That's okay No, Brando is Superman's father Clark Kent's dad is someone different. It's from the from Bo and Luke Duke, right?

Is it in the TV show? Oh, no in the new one of oh, yeah, that's smallville. You're thinking of I think so, right? Right. Yeah, right. I believe it's thinking of. I think so, right? You're right. Right? I believe it's Smallville. I jerked it to that guy though. Straight up. Well, during Smallville time? No, no, during Dukes of Hazzard.

Yeah, everybody jerked it to Dukes of Hazzard, right? Raise your hand if you jerked it to Dukes of Hazzard, right? That, nobody? You cowards. You cowards. Why are you a boss hog all day long? Raise your hand if you jerked into Dukes of Hazzard, right? That, nobody, they're so young. You cowards. Why you're a boss hog all day long? Roscoe B. Coltrane! The P stands for penis.

I'm just kidding. Is there a new Superman? Yes, Henry, uh, Henry, uh, yeah. Oh, right, right, right, because I had a moment. Yeah. Where I think it was after the suicide number. Yeah, where they jumped off the building. Boy, do I always thought it would have been a musical number.

And then I was like, oh, this is crazy. No wonder they keep remaking the picture with Tobey Maguire and Kristen Dunst. Oh, this is crazy. No wonder they keep remaking the picture with Toby McGuire and Kristen Dunst. Oh boy. And then... And then... I went down the road a bit, inside my mind, and discovered... that he's not Spider-Man.

Right. I had a similar thing, by the way. You almost had like a choose-your- a choose your own adventure journey on this. You were watching pop-ups. You were... Yes. So, you went down the rabbit hole. Natasha, it took you maybe 25 to 30 minutes of the movie to realize Superman is not Spider-Man. Again, like I say, not my genre.

Of course. I had a similar feeling. I really did. Right? And I knew that they existed. I get it. Like not my genre. Of course. I had a similar feeling. I really did. Right? And I knew that they existed. I get it. Like I mentioned previously. Sure. I was fully aware of Superman's vague existence.

Of course. And also Spider-Man's. Sure. However, for me, it's not something, it's not a Godfather remake. It's not on your radar. Not that I want to see that, but I'm just saying- You want to see a Godfather remake? No.

But I'm just saying it's not like- Natasha Lyonne on record is saying they should remake the Godfather. Yeah, I'll walk off this stage. I will walk. No, I don't want to see a Godfather remake. Yeah, but I'm just saying it's not something I really... But yeah, it's just crazy that they make so many of them. And also poor Kristen Dunstan, Tobey Maguire.

Poor them? Why? Why? Can you believe they must be like every five minutes they make another? That was our remake. Right. Did you even know about Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone? They did one too, the two of them. And then now there's more. There's more, yeah. Now there's a They did one too, the two of them. And then now there's more!

There's more, yeah. Now there's a new one. There's a new one? Now there's a new one. Tom Holland and a bunch of other people. And people love it. They love it. I just don't want to spoil it. I'm not going to say who the... Are you the casting director?

What's that? Are you casting it? Is it already been shot? I am no longer a casting director. Well, you were great because you gave honest feedback, but you were also very supportive. Yes. Always very supportive. And I always read with the people that I was auditioning with

and tried to be better than them. Yeah. Yeah. That came across. Like, you would improvise lines. A lot of people don't know that a lot of my acting work comes from being behind the camera, reading against actors, and then people being like,

we should cast that reader. Yeah. Hey, can I just ask one question, Paul? I'm so sorry. Please ask me anything you'd like. This has been a question I've had in my mind for a long, long time, and I've never bothered to ask anyone or Google it.

That green stuff, that green crystal, is that kryptonite. What do you think is going on there? What. What do you think is going on there? What? What do you think is going on there? I think that his planet that he was born in was made of kryptonite. What I can't understand is then why is kryptonite the one thing that will destroy him?

Yeah, you're pretty right, actually. What do you mean? That is like... That makes no sense! I was... Pretty right. Here's the reasoning behind it. Because I had the same thing, and I think this is what it is.

But that kryptonite is not bad. There's different types of kryptonite. What? Right? Yes. So, there's no... When kryptonite, I guess, exploded, different pieces of it came off. I'm loose, I'm fuzzy on this math as well.

I didn't understand why that kryptonite was like kind of like, you get another life. Like I didn't get like, oh yeah we just gave you this spare life in case. Like by the way, love that whole sequence where he became an old man and became bald. Holy shit. That was great. In like one day. I have questions about that. Yeah.

I have questions about that, but very quickly, can one nerd explain the kryptonite to us? Hold on. Let me, if you can raise your hand. Like, there's a blue kryptonite that does something. There's a red kryptonite that does something. But I think the kryptonite in this movie is bullshit. OK, hold on.

I'm going to go down. Be careful. Got to get in. All right. You're going to explain the kryptonite. What's your name sir? My name is Andrew. Andrew, take it away. Kryptonite explanation. So there's different kryptonite but it's different colors? This is just lazy filmmaking. There is no other explanation. I feel like they were like let's have crystals

and they're like oh well he has green crystals so let's make it green crystals but that's not what kryptonite is at all. What is it? It's never green? Kryptonite, no, kryptonite is green and it's a whole thing where... Do you think that was kryptonite in the, under the barn? No. No, not at all, because it's part of his ship, which is also green for some reason.

Got it. Okay. Yeah! It's just lazy. It's just them not... So there was no green, there was not kryptonite, that was just green substance from Krypton. That was speaking like his mother for some reason. Right, but then when he goes...

It was essentially underneath the Kent family barn is like an answering machine from his mom that he still plays the old message from because it's like if you- it's like when you keep an ex an ex lovers lover By the way, you know me When you keep an ex's voice mail just to be like remember what they sounded like Yeah, it's like that and then you accidentally hit return call. And then you just leave a message. Tells them how they really fucked up again. Um, there-

And you talk about it on the podcast. Jason, calm down. They'll call you- Cut this out of the podcast. Cut this out of the podcast. We'll be right back. Um, there- but there was another part of that- Oh, God.

So to the point about the kryptonite I will say this it makes no sense that he goes back to the barn to get that piece of kryptonite because he already built his fucking fortress which is where all the crystals are anyway it would be like let me keep one spare here the only reason why he went back in the first one. Why? Because his mother says, the voice, I'm assuming it's his mother, yeah, it is his mother.

The voice says, once you remove this crystal, this green slime will go dead. So he'll never be able to hear her voice again. But he's been able to do that in The Fortress of Solitude and the other movies. Oh really, he talks to his mom? Oh, okay, then fuck that. Isn't that where he like been able to do that in the fortress of solitude the other movie oh really he talks to his mom oh okay then fuck that where he like removes it and puts it in can I just talk about the scene the scene that you're alone the scene that drove me nuts and I know we haven't even really

gotten into the whole nuclear war subplot which is so prescient in this time where he where he hammer throws a basket full of nuclear warheads into the sun. I wanted to see him show that net, the net of, by the way a bold move to be like I think that will be okay if I throw this into the sun. By the way, if the warheads were all... Touching each other. Jamming against each other, wouldn't they just blow up? Yeah. It's like a net of sardines only it's a bunch of warheads. Um, but I would find one of them in his pocket. Wait a minute.

How do you mean sardines? What's that? When you catch sardines, you catch it in a net like that. Instead of the sardines, it's a bunch of warheads in there. So you're not even talking about sardines in a can. You're talking about sardines in a fishing net. Because most people refer to the cans. Exactly. That's how they are before they put them in a can,

dick. Right, but when they they are before they put them in a can, dick. Right, but when they're mashing up against each other, they don't explode. That's right. Ha ha ha. Um, so I'll believe the ridiculousness of that nuclear net. What I won't believe is the weird justification that they got to get them to do a double date scene.

That double date scene is like why would why would he ever subject himself to such stupidity? It's so crazy. That's insane. And guess what she's serving? Scallops and duck. That is two risky risky meals to prepare for a date. Also gross. It's gross but I got a texture level Gross, but Superman somehow knows how to cook perfect duck like she's like the duck turned out great Was he speeding it up so that he have to stay there for too long remember? No, cuz he needed it to be on fire so that way he could get out and become Clark Kent But he didn't make it go on fire,

he just cooked it perfectly. To perfection. It's the classic. But I would agree with you, that would be the smart, That's what I thought was gonna happen. That would be the smart thing. I was a little in and out. I was a little in and out.

It's the classic, oh no, I've got two dates at the same restaurant and I have to shut, shut. But there was no reason for him to subject himself to that. He would did it on purpose. Also, is Lois Lane dating Superman? She has a thing with him. She's just getting an interview, right?

Yes, but they always, like, have datey interviews in the movies. What was up with that indoor hot tub? What about that apartment? That apartment, by the way... Indoor hot tub. Pfft. Everybody in this movie has balconies,

like, giant balconies. Even Superman, which seemingly lives in a shit hole, has a beautiful fireplace in his living room working. West Side Story a little. Another movie I haven't really totally seen. Me neither, but I feel like I have. Yeah, but like from the stills I've gathered. Yeah, exactly. A lot of fire escapes. A lot of balcony work and stuff. I will just point out a couple things in Lois' apartment.

Dual golden candelabras. Yeah. I would still want to have that. Is this Lois' apartment? No, this is the rich... This is Maryl Hemingway's apartment, I think. Oh, is it? Yeah, she's loaded. And she's rich, as she says repeatedly.

And is he wearing a wig? Which one? Lois? Uh, no. Maryle? Reeves. Lois is just like the mother of the bride. She's like, just gonna pair this silk... But I feel like both of them, this really, I find irritating.

This is like a hot tub. Like for anybody who's interested in the fashion of it, like that this is now so hip in Brooklyn or something. Hell free, hang on. I can't handle. Hang on, hang on. I find it makes me angry. Up in the upper right-hand corner,

is Mariel Hemingway's initials? But it's not her character's name. Wait, it's her actual apartment? It's not her character's do you think they shot this in Marylin Hemingway's apartment? It's a Marriott Hilton. Oh maybe it's yeah well because maybe it's the name of the building that they are in or something. Was that ever was it ever a thing to have greenery on like lattice wallpaper too I mean I can't tell if that's real or... Oh, let's see, I'll open it up big. Yeah, but that... Oh no, I guess it's not real. I think it's painted on.

It's wallpaper maybe. I really want to show you this thing. This is something that we can never really show our listening audience. We can just show it here, but I'm going to urge you if you're listening to Google this. So the movie was 134 minutes Which means that a lot of stuff was cut out like the fact that there was another nuclear man that was cast Fired and then recast in the movie and here is the scene Fired then brought back. No, no, sorry fired then they recast it with the yeah I can't

describe it because I'll let you watch it here we go Wow. What is happening? I'm out. I don't want to know where you come from destroy so what we just watched was like an odd Buster Keaton fight scene That music was embedded? Is that part of the soundtrack? Yes, that was not that what we heard that boop boop boop boop boop was part of the movie The quality is terrible because clearly no one wanted you to ever see that so He is that's more of a like Frankenstein's monster version of this character yes the nuclear man like Frankenberry or Frankenberry looks just

like Franklin and they have this fight and it makes you go actually watching that scene makes me go like holy shit they really they pulled it out like they like if that's what they were shooting, and they were like- Can you imagine if that had been the movie? This would be a legendary movie. Yeah. And that's gotta be a choice you make.

When you're looking at Daly's on a picture like this, like, do we go all in? Not only that, they went through hair and makeup, wardrobe tests. They went through weeks of work with that guy to become that guy, then shot with him. But when you see it, you like, the internal team is like, you guys, the movie's not great, but we can turn this one around. So, and by the way, I would argue the nuclear man that they got that we're looking at here with the gold tights He almost looks cooler than Superman. Yeah, he was a cooler version of Jeff Fahey

Yeah, and and now I like his look better, you know Well, there was a cool thing that they were gonna do too They're gonna put Superman and they were gonna put Christopher Reeve in a black costume, and make him be like a version of the Adam Carey. By himself. That's what I thought was gonna happen. Right, because it's his hair. Yes, and remember when they're putting

all this stuff together, it looks like a little wonton, like an old wonton, and then some like paprika, and then one other thing, I forget what it is, they put it. A piece of cloth. Oh, a piece of cloth that takes like a bunch of safety scissors Wait can I ask a question? Is it an Asian person who's making the wonton? No! No!

Exactly Where are the Asian people in Metropolis? They're in this world Where have all the Asians gone? They had no problem cutting that Superman hair By the way the Superman hair is holding a thousand pound weight They're like snip! Seems like that would be real. But he had like super big comedy pliers or something, right?

But still, super big comedy pliers shouldn't be able to get through that hair. No, no, no, they shouldn't. But Superman fighting himself, that's something I want to see. Yeah. Wouldn't it have been awesome? They lived in a very low security universe altogether. It's pre-911. In retrospect. Pre-911. Pre-911. Because between... They're living in a pre low security universe altogether. It's pre-911. Pre-911.

Pre-911. Because between the cops in the beginning on the chain gang and later in the museum and so on. But obviously, Budget made them not be able to do those scenes because they did shoot them. So they shot three versions of Nuclear Man. This comedy version, Christopher Reeve, and then they finally went to this other guy and part of the reason why the effects are so bad is you will see this is a little

montage of the flying scenes where they didn't change a thing Every flying scene is exactly the same. And it's the same with the, um, when they, in the subway section, when the subway with Lois goes screaming by and you see all the people on the subway station are like, uh, and then Superman flies by and it's the exact same shot of the same people being like, uh. The budget's so bad that I feel like they used a part of Universal theme park for a part of the movie. Like, when you go on the tour, they're like, that shark jumps out at you and then they go, oh, Mount Vesuvius has exploded and there's like, water comes down a thing. Like that seemed like it was shot on the Universal back lot, but nothing was changed.

It was sort of like, I almost feel like they may have just put a camera on the tour bus and gotten it. What I felt like didn't get enough attention, and it wasn't explicitly said in the movie, but like when they take Superman's hair, because it is, it's holding up like a thousand pound weight, is like, it's a pub. You think that came from his pub? It's a pub because when Lex Luthor cuts it off, it like shrinks right back up. Wow.

Into a curly little guy. Okay. Maybe that was some lost scenes about that. Where they explained how they got Superman's pub. Superman straightens all of his pubic hair. With a thousand pound weights he just stands there. Originally, and this is what I read online, I'm sure it was reputable source. Would you on my PES website?

Yeah, they were going to, Lex Luthor was trying to make Puberman, a Superman based on Superman's pubes, that would just be as strong as his pubes, which are very strong, Puberman. Well, um... Long walk for that. No, no, no, no. Don't feel like you need to reward that. It was mediocre at best. I thought of it a while ago.

I waited for it. It wasn't worth it. You waited! That's the sad part. Don't worry about it. I'm not too worried about it. You shouldn't be either. There are a lot of things we need to talk about. We're gonna go to the audience right now to see if they have any opinions.

I'm gonna run up to the top. It's gonna take me a second, though. Hold on. It's a long way. While Paul's doing that, don't you fucking look at us We're not here All right, I'm back Here I am Can we get house lights?

Get some house lights up. Do house lights exist? All right, so we're up on the balcony Who has a good all right, this gentleman right here. I'll first come to you and you'll say your name, but say it in your best nuclear man voice. Okay, so, well, like a Gene Hackman with an echo effect. Alright, so your name and your question, here we go. I'll hold the mic.

Michael. Great, that was great so my question is that in the first half Superman seems focused on nuclear disarmament and then he fights nuclear man and decides to give up on nuclear disarmament why it's an internal battle that he's been having. Because he says, like, I can't do it for you. He's like, if the people want it, they'll give it, you'll get it. Well, that's kind of what the elders are saying in that scene in the Forgers of Solitude. Those elders, that was really a shitty scene.

Like... Well, they couldn't get them for the day either, so they had to just, like, film themselves in their closet and then send in just their heads. I love the person who was like, you should just go to a different planet. Yeah. Yeah, like, give up. It's over.

Yeah, like, hey, oh, you know what, bro? That place seems like it sucks. You should, like, use the semester abroad somewhere else. that's the kind of attitude that brought down Krypton in the first place sir your name in nuclear man's voice and your question again on the whole nuclear disarmament thing, it's like the world's ratcheting up towards nuclear war and, you know, Russians are standing on the brink. And then Superman's like, I'm going to stop this.

So they just agree to fire their missiles into space. Yeah, it was like he took all the missiles, he blew them up, and then they were still testing missiles. It didn't seem... I don't know, I was confused by that. Well, it seemed like nuclear war was happening, right? Like it was currently happening. Yeah, like I don't think... Yeah, I guess it was...

Wait, do they ever talk about that? Was anybody like... Was it happening or were they trying to launch the missiles so that Superman could take them into space? No, they were launching them and he was like, psych, I got them in my net, my sardine net. Yeah. Just like that.

Ma'am, your name and you know how it deals. Here we go. Emily, Emily, Emily, Emily, Emily. Yeah! believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe believe I agree. I mean, eventually he smartens up enough to push the moon in front of the sun, knocking the moon out of its orbit, sending what I would only assume to be all of our planets into chaos. Yeah. Or a never-ending winter, at the very least. And catastrophically affecting every woman's period. That's your first thought.

The minute he started moving that moon, I was like, oh shit. Superman five, the red tide. Everybody bleeds. That's what it is. Superman, he doesn't care about women's menses. All right, you know the drill, here we go. Sumo. Love it. Echo. So I'm guessing Lex is a fugitive but yet he was able to sign a lease at the Empire State Building?

Yeah it seems like Superman would keep better... You need a cosign for that? Lenny. Um... It seems to me that Superman would be a little bit more like on top of like Lex. Like, is he still in jail? Maybe I could just fly him back over there. Because he seemingly just drops him off. As if no harm, no foul. What about the disturbing boys club?

That Ducky's dropped off it and the very handsome priest goes like, Oh, we can handle all the boys or something I was like oh that's a different movie that I haven't seen sir Nick or loss where did mariel henny-wink go Where did Mariel Hemingway go? Great. Great question. On you guys, take it. What? Where did she go? Oh, I have no idea.

Paul, you're so fit. God, he's doing crossfit. I am so impressed that he made it all the way up the stairs. There was no heavy breathing. That like broke Paul. That question broke Paul. He left. I just got a text from him and he said, I'm out of here. Where did Mario Hemingway go?

France. She's in France. I bet she is. Is that true? France likes all women. All right, here we go. Next question. Sarah. My question is, do you guys think this was written by flat earthers? Because they go to China and they start in America and then they go to Italy all in the same fight scene and it's never dark in any of those places. Oh. Oh.

Wow. Wow. Is that a group of people called flat earthers? Isn't somebody from the View a flat earther? Are they still like a contingent that's operating hoping to make their mark yeah flat earthers yeah they're out there yeah they're like trust us there are still people know there are not the internet has given rise now to people believing didn't Sherry Shepherd on the

views say the earth was flat like three years ago? No. Right? Maybe longer than three, but it's happening. And she's part of a cult? And wasn't there somebody... An internet cult? Wasn't there a sports person who said it as well? What?

Kyrie Irving. A rapper too? Wait, who's the sports guy? Okay, so lots of people are suggesting this is true. Sports. Do we have any evidence to prove that they're wrong? If someone has definitive evidence and not doctored photos, we've always seen that one doctored photo of the circular earth.

Now more of this. Yes. Alright. Earth. All right. Oh grabbing that mic, Paul letting there. Yeah. Oh she is okay. Yeah so obviously this was filmed in Milton Keynes which is like an industrial town outside of England and I feel like some like productions that designer was really self-conscious. So if you look in Clark Kent's apartment, there is a New York Giants flag, a Yale flag, a Wisconsin flag, and a Tampa Bay Buccaneers flag.

How do we think he became a fan of all of those teams? It's whatever they had at a Big Five Sports in the sales bin. I mean, maybe he just was part of a flag giveaway. Clark Kent loves pennants. Not pennants but pennants. Hi. Mike Pennants. Richard! Amazing. Okay, so I just found it interesting for how much Lois didn't seem to give a shit about Clark Kent.

Like to the point where she goes to his house, he's sick, and she finds a way to make it about himself. She's really cock-blocking Lacey. Because Lacey really wants Clark and she's like Clark's kind of a boy scout. I was like he knows how to tie knots Right. It's like it's one thing if you don't want Clark, but like why are you trying to like you're all about Superman? Why won't you let Lacey? Why it's just the glasses that makes her not recognize him Well now you're unraveling a much larger conspiracy.

Because that's crazy. So Lois is never interested in Clark, right? Yeah, but I am confused because then she goes to the house when he's sick and she's like, they look at each other like their eyes are saying, it's like deep eye subtext Yeah, and she's saying I knew it. I knew it. You know And I was like, she went to the house. She's like you're Superman She's like if I would tell Superman if he was dying we had a great time. Yeah, so like what's that?

Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know. Clark is always being friend zoned. Always. That's why he's crying all the time. He's always on the verge of tears as Clark can all the time. Like he's just like, oh they're saying that Superman's not going to help that kid. And then he's like just looking out the window crying. It's like... Like Superman up. Yeah!

There he is! Thanks everybody, that's our show! Thank you so much New York! I'm going to go to the gentleman right here because he's wearing a picture of, okay in a podcast we did, we referenced there was a picture on the wall of Betty White holding an urn. He is wearing a shirt of Betty White holding an urn. He is wearing a shirt of Betty White holding the urn. That's amazing. All right that's for Jason. Thank you. Thanks for bringing one for all of us. It's weird Jason, it's an XS. Yeah I'm losing that weight I'm getting shredded bro. Crossfit! Wait a second.

I was confused by this quote from Lex Luthor where he says it's about when he's explaining to Lenny how he could, like, uh, nuclear man can't, like, survive with, uh, out light. He says, he gets his energy from the sun. Without it, he's like you at night. You're so- I wrote that down too! What does that mean? Does anyone know what that means? Does it mean everybody's sleeping? Well, wait, you just said it means he's a-limptic. He's calling his nephew Lenny a limp dick. I guess it's as simple as that. I mean, but I...

So do you think Lenny... Oh, I see, sexually he's useless. He's like, but like, some people try and fuck in the day. That's what I thought. I thought he should be like, he's like you trying to have sex. Yeah, useless. Like you at night means like going out,

having dinner, where there's a lot of nighttime activities. I thought it was just sleeping. We all power down at night as humans. This is why you can't make PG, because that was......bought a note. Put it on! Don't try and get me to put this very obviously poisoned shirt on. What you were saying, that's why you can't make PG.

Because it's a, yeah, you can't. Oh, because then you have, you know, innuendo that is gibberish. Obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. You got one, here we go, here we we go five star reviews down from Amazon way they love those bonkers movies no one else will play they're saying Shaq oh man can he act watching Bloodsport all day shouting kumatay they're on the podcast now our five-star family it's a

second opinion from Amazon It's a second opinion from Amazon. Yeah! And I'm Lindsay. Thank you, Lindsay! Wow, you did great! New York Friends. Well done. New York Friends' second opinion song.

Also, a What's Its Mission shirt. What's Its Mission! The shirt that was taken down by the Disney Corporation. Alright, so these are five star reviews, cold from Amazon. They can't stop us though, Disney. You can't stop us! But they did stop us from selling them that shirt. Here we go. This is, it starts off a little

computational. This is just from someone. I should say I also am not able to sell my little spermade shirts anymore either. The little spermade shirt. That's pretty good. That's solid. It's okay. Guys. That's solid. It's okay. Guys! That's solid. That's alright.

That one was better than the other one. The little sperm-made. It took me a while. That actually took me a while. Oh, little sperm-made. It took you a while, right? Yes it did. I watched that movie every day with my 4-year-old and that took me a while. Can I hear a little more?

What does it look like what is it look like? Looks like Ariel right? Tail is a sperm's tail. It's not a fish's. Do you know what was fucking me up? I was going the other way Interesting so the face With a little mermaid tail. I got it. I actually would argue that's a better visual. Guys, well you know what?

We'll throw it to you, the audience, draw up mockups of what you think the little spermade should be and send them directly to...what's your Twitter, St. Clair? St.Claire. Jessica. Great. Or something like that. I don't know. Guys I don't even know how to check it. No joke. These are five star reviews from Amazon. Starts off a little confrontational here. This was written September 4th, 2000, and it's referencing a VHS purchase of Superman 4. And out of the gate starts like this.

First of all, to that guy from Sacramento, California, it doesn't look like you've seen Superman 4 because there's no person named Lucy in it. I've watched it a million times over and over, and there is no Lucy. Secondly, you don't make any sense when you say they used unused footage from the earlier film in Superman.

In the Reeves and Hackman scenes, they look the same. So don't make statements you haven't researched. Lois is known to open up the Clark about Superman. Don't you know? Five stars. Whoo! Clearly, the dude from Sacramento, California, got Lacey and Lucy confused.

That was the confusion. Um, this is one of my favorite ones. Also on a VHS tape. This was written on June 7th, 1999. I know most of you don't like this movie. I cannot change that. I just turned 10. I just turned 10. And I have watched this movie at least four times with all of my friends.

Zev, Andrew, Vic, and Billy. And they all love this movie. And it's not just us the children. We know who this movie was made for. Sure, discount it for your so-called cheesy special effects. But the kids? We don't care. The movie has a comic book storyline. A good one to be exact. And Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, Mark Pillow,

and John Cryer, and Gene Hackman are a great cast. Although you may not think my opinion counts, but I hope it does to some of you. Five stars. I would love, I would love it if that 10 year old kid was now like what, 20, 30? When was this? 28.

28. And in this audience. And was in this audience. So we could beat the shit out of him. And then this one, I will say when I read this one I thought, oh this person's being facetious but then I- You know what? Because it's like beating the shit out of a ten-year-old but not oh yeah he's

28 now because he's getting a beating he deserves for the ten-year-old but he's an adult who can take it cut to the guys like I'm here nuclear man I I thought this one was facetious, but I kind of went down a wormhole and I found that it is not. It's written by Film Aficionado in 2005 and it is titled much better than the first three Superman films. Well, some 14 year old children apparently think this movie is a flop. Think they know the meaning of movies. The meaning of movies. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That 14 year old brat doesn't even know the meaning of acne cream that he has to smear all over his gangly

adolescent face. Any mature adult with half a brain knows Superman 4 is a fine superhero film. Better than the Batman, the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises, Meryl Hemingway is incredible. The special effects are years ahead of their time, and Nuclear Man is the greatest. The clincher, John Cryer. Need I say more? Five stars! Five stars!

Like, honestly, honestly, the 10-year-old kid's review is much better The end by the he ends need I say more yes, yeah, you need say more Just to give you some how to just get made knowledge here the original The director of this movie was Sydney fury who directed the jazz singer Which is a movie that we also did in this podcast. Wow. He was fired after 48 hours of shooting The Jazz Singer.

Whoa, what happened in those 48 hours? Oh wait, of Jazz Singer? Yeah, he shot 48 hours of Jazz Singer. Got it. He shot, not 48 hours, like two days. Wait, he shot the movie 48 hours during the movie, The Jazz Singer. And look, you need to come to work on

I would fire him too, he's double booked himself. We gotta fire you, you're shooting a whole other movie. Right. No, this director, Sydney Fury, literally shot 48 hours of unusable footage for the Jazz singer and then was fired and replaced by another director. Can I ask a question?

Yes. Was that footage used in the movie? Yes. Because it was awful. No, I'm just kidding. Then this movie, so in this year, the biggest movies were Three Men and a Baby, Fatal Attraction, and Beverly Hills Cop 2. This movie came in 69th of the top grossest movie. 69th! Yeah! And it was beaten by other How to Get Made movies like The Running Man, Jaws 4, Masters of the Universe, and Over the Top. The only one that it beat was the Garbage Pail Kids movie.

Oh God. And finally, I just want to say that... By the way, Sinclair, you've got to see that movie. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, of a tagline. Paragraph too long. But there is finally one thought that we need to hear. Somebody from far away has recorded her thoughts about this movie. Yes! Yes! And... Oh, I miss her so much! And here we go. Hello New York City. I'm so sad to be here in Montreal and not there with you guys discussing Superman 4 the quest for peace. Guys don't worry about this hat. You may have questions. I don't have any good answers there. But I do want to, Paul asked me to talk about Superman 4, The Quest for Peace, and take a stab, I haven't seen the movie, won't see the movie, will not ever watch this film. But that said, I

mean I don't watch any of them unless I'm doing the podcast, obviously. That said, I will take a stab at what this movie might be about. The plot to me is probably about Superman trying to stop nuclear destruction and Lex Luthor somehow bringing the world to the brink. I do find it odd though it's called The Quest for Peace like as though that that distinguishes it from any other Superman movie. They're all for peace ultimately. I will say though the only thing I will add is that I love Christopher Reeve and I appreciate him and I miss him and I think the love that he and Dana Reeve shared is a love I've never known, no offense at all. And the fact that she died so soon after him seems meaningful and great. I don't think she could be here without him.

So that's my only thought, really. And have a great night you guys, have fun. I wish I was there, I love you all. All right. Final word from June. So obviously we talked about these movies, we wanna know would you recommend this movie for the purpose of what we're doing here, enjoying them on a bad movie level? Jason?

Well, I'm curious how many people here watched this in preparation. Oh. Yeah, pretty worth it. This is a pretty fun one, you know. It's a little long, you know. At 90 minutes. It's a little long, but I could have, you know, I could have taken a little bit less of it, but very fun. Like, really corny and silly. There's a lot of good, like, I enjoyed it. Yes, I would recommend. Jessica.

I would as well, because it doesn't have to do with the post-apocalyptic future, which really does make me sick. Wait, what? the post-apocalyptic future which really does make me sick wait what any a lot of the movies you guys make me watch we have to do it like Pluto Nash like this is what the future is gonna be like and we're all wear blazers and I got that makes me feel sick but what are you Jack that's coming up made me really sick how do you feel about how do you feel about you feel about like, Hungy Games? Does Hungy Games make you upset? Yes, I haven't seen it.

You haven't seen the Hungy Games? All I know is, what's her faces in that clown makeup? You know. Oh, Liz Banks? Yeah, and that they're shooting each other for food and I don't wanna see it. You know. Lennon told me the plot of that one

and the girl with the dragon tattoo and I didn't get past... She was awarded the state. Dot, dot, dot. And I said, I can't... What are you telling me? I don't think you should watch that. So this one didn't scare me

and that's why I liked it. So that's your measurement for liking a film or not is whether it scared you. Yep. Alright so... It didn't scare me and it didn't make me feel sick. Four to five stars. Natasha.

You obviously went down a rabbit hole with this one. Yeah I would recommend the first 20. Like yeah. Okay. Until you realize that he's not Spideriderman, then you turn it off. It's not even that. I just feel like after that, it's, you know, excessive. The first 20... By the way, I'm into a 20-minute movie. You would have preferred it to be an episode of television. Yeah, but this is also my preference with karaoke and this is a great idea. So don't steal it.

Which is, which is I think it should only be the first verse chorus you done. I'm a 90 second karaoke guy. I'm like, I think that's what all karaoke should be. 90 seconds. I'm giving it half a free tonight. I'm crazy Eddie. I feel less, I feel similar less singing during karaoke the better so much so that I would abolish karaoke there we go guess what I don't

want to hear all you fuck singing in a bar I'm in. So I'm basically saying just the hits. Just the hits of this one. All right so I would also recommend it. Let's go down the plug line here. Natasha, what do you wanna plug? I don't wanna plug. Okay, great. Jessica, you wanna plug anything? No.

Okay. No, no, no, no, I'll plug. I'll plug Netflix. What a place. What a place. Amazing place. I fucking love it. Great place, great shows. Great shows, great people.

Orange is the new black wonderful show we make. Yeah, now it's coming back to you. Yeah, Natasha. Shooting it now. It's a great show. Natasha, what channel is Netflix? Which is a question my parents asked. I was just asking you.

What channel is it? Yeah. Google. I do want to plug, I'm not sure if you're going to say it, but I'm sure you're going to say it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Which is a question my parents asked. They're just asking you. What channel is it? Google. I do want to plug that Womp It Up is coming back November 25th. And Gutterballs will be back and things get really intense. We look at his commitment issues and we make some strides.

Don't worry about it right don't worry about it we don't worry about it yeah be very exciting I will Jason 21 point oh I'll continue to plug big mouth the fantastic animated show on Netflix that's got a whole bunch of people that you love from comedy as well as animated dicks so and animated vaginas so it's pretty great it's a really funny show about kids going through puberty. Congratulations such a great show. I will I mean this is a long-term plug but I'll plug the disaster artist which is coming out. Oh yeah!

It looks so good! Yeah, Jason, myself, and Jun are all in it with a bunch of amazing people. James Frankel plays Tommy Wiseau. Dave Frankel plays Greg Sestero. It's really good. Alright, thank you New York! We're gonna post these pictures! That's the show, but it doesn't end here. Listen to our mini episode where the discussion about this movie continues. You can give us a call at 619-PAUL-ASK.

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