How Did This Get Made? - Switch LIVE! (w/ Jessica St. Clair)

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

HDTGM all-star Jessica St. Clair (The Deep Dive) joins Paul, June, & Jason to break down the 1991 body swap comedy Switch starring Ellen Barkin & Jimmy Smits. LIVE from the Wilbur Theater in Boston, the crew discuss the hot tub murder scene, the protagonist's homophobia, the ad agency boss' perm, and the restaurant exclusively for slow-dancing lesbians. Plus, they ask "Is the learning curve for walking in high heels 50 days?" and "Would this movie have been better if the ex-girlfriends were witches?" Go to www.hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more. Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer Check out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm EST Subscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdive Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooled Check out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.com Check out new HDTGM merch over at www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgm Where to find Jason, June & Paul: @PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter @Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on Twitter Jason is not on Twitter

A movie that proves the hardest thing about being a woman is walking in high heels. We saw Switch, so you know what that means. This force-related war, baby, is gallant like a woss No vest, rock, ribbon, just in the Kelly A baby, you see a hard-ass show with it, oh And take a horse, we do hit the hoops, you draw Take me, big boy, and the horse to drill When I take you from the move, I'll be with you, bro Bring it in the street, fight it, hope you're all lost Just to suck a bunch, the eyed life, the tipping,

Re-shot me, you're the front, tell me, can't you stand a lot? They call me, when they're bad bad ass and he's on the line Cracking names, big names cause they cool his eyes Cause they're bad, gym, money, looking kind of night All the children get in there and we'll chase him with giddily Dumb ass make the shower, the monkey shots in the pain They're just a bunch of movies Why they making it great?

Here's a real question for the outtaquist kid Hey Hello people over We'll question on the out of this key page. Hello, people of Earth, and hello, people of Boston! We are live at the Wilbur Theater in Boston for the first show of our balcony monster's tour and let me hear you balcony monster. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We're talking about a movie tonight. The year is 1981 and Steve, you still have a preference for Blons, then Steve was murdered and came back as one. Well, being a woman make him a better man, that's the premise of this movie. Someone is murdered for simply being promiscuous, and then is forced to come back as a woman to see if any women would like, I don't know. It's confusing when you actually stop

and think about it. All you need to know is that Ellen Barkin is playing a man with a New York accent. We'll get into all of that. But to break this movie down properly, I need my two co-hosts. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Mann-Sukez! What's up Boston? That's what I'm talking about. These balconies are the best balconies and the best babies baby. Yeah, fuck New York, fuck New York, fuck New York, fuck New York. That's what I'm talking about. I'm already exhausted. Ha ha ha ha!

Already exhausted. Jason Paul, this is a video box that I saw as a kid. A set. Always, right? Obsessed with this video box as a child in video stores, looking at it like this is sex. It was Ellen Barking pants down, hanging from a gun barrel.

No, actually pants down, or is she no pants? Oh, I see it down around her ankles. Yep, yep. And she's in clearly a man's shirt and tie. I didn't know what it was about, but it seemed very sexy. And it makes the gun seem so much more important to the story.

Yes, it felt like this was a crime story It makes the gun seem so much more important to the story? Yes. It felt like this was a crime story instead of what it is, which is a question mark unclear story. I will say that I was shocked when I hit play on my Apple iTunes, and it said, Flex. And it said, a drama.

No, did it really, Blacks. And it said, a drama. No, did it really? A drama. Well, I was like, huh. I didn't realize it was a drama. Paul, when you, because we got Jimmy Smith here, when you pictured this movie, yes, not Jimmy Smith,

but did you have in your mind anybody else for the male lead who is Riptide's Perry King. Yes. Oh, Riptide. Those are the old people here. Riptide, one of the greats, I swear. And it's just because she was in another movie with them

that this movie starred Dennis Quaid. Oh, interesting. No, I ain't. But that's the big easy with Ellen Barkin and Dennis Quaid. Another hit. All is so sexy. Very sexy. This movie decidedly not too sexy.

And you... Do you agree? We'll get into it. And we have to get into it with our next co-host, please welcome to this stage. Miss June Diane Rayfield Hello, June. How are you? I'm okay.

How are you, Paul? I'm doing well. Thank you so much for asking. June, you are watching Switch about 30 minutes behind me. We were both on an airplane. And again, we are on some sort of federal list, some FAA watch list, and we should be. Yeah. Well, so am I. But it has nothing to do with what I'm watching on the plane. Again, and I know we've said this before, but it is, you know, we fly economy and, you know, sometimes main cabin plus, sometimes not.

And I can only imagine what it's like to sit behind us and see two people watching the movie switch, not at the same time, not on the same computer, on different computers and one of the, and both furiously taking notes. And they're lining, circling. Imagine the stories the people right around you are telling. Get this. Do you remember the movie Switch? I saw not one two people catching it. They were taking notes on it like they were writing an article. And they had kids.

They had children. And they were watching the movie, switch with their kids. And here's the only part of that that won't make sense. No one knows what switch is. So when you open it and the first scene is a bunch of women seemingly naked in a hot tub, it seems way more creepy.

Like, there is no Ellen Barkin. There's no Jimmy Smiths at that point. You're just seeing Joe Beth Williams and a bunch of people that you may or may not recognize. And it seems weird that I'm like, blop, watching a hot tub movie. And then not 10 minutes later, I start it up to watch the same scene.

It's just very odd. As if you're out watching it. As if you thought you were watching it, it's like, that's a great idea. Let me get into this. And I also will take notes. We've got a cross country flight. That's a perfect idea.

Well, June, there is one person who flew across the country to watch Switch with us. How did this get made all-star in her own right? Co-host of the podcast Deep Deep Dive, please welcome Jessica St. Claire. Yes, yes. Yes. Hello.

Hello, friends. Hello! Hello friends! Jess, welcome to the show. I want to ask you your connection to Switch. Did you also remember this video box from the video store? I didn't jerk off to this video box. No. Your loss! No, um, you're lost. But I'm going to tell you when I saw this, this, this, just the still of it, I thought, Oh, thank God, no trash can fires, no aliens, no Mario Lope as I said, I invited my parents to this show. Oh, no. My elderly parents. And then... Sure, they love being referred to this.

It tells it that way. They're going to get scared in a second. But I, once I saw the hot tub scene, I then quickly called my father and said, you're no longer invited. Because I knew that it would be an hour and a half of Jason saying, penis, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick. You are skinny. You're skinny. You're skinny. You're skinny. You can go fuck my face. Remember when those girls, madam, that is that you are projecting. By the way, I am

buzzing. Your father has heard say those words now, are you and your daughter. By the way, I am done. If you're missing your father has heard say those words now, are you and your daughter? I will say I have done this show. I have done this show with Jason for 12 years. I've never heard him use the term, fuck my face. Not yet. Nor do I think I would. Not yet.

How does this go? Now the opening scene, which I can't I watched on a plane with strangers, I loved. The hot tub scene. The hot tub scene was amazing. I want to say amazing. Is this why the way that these women dress in this film is what you dream of for both you

and me to wear every single day. Here's what I'm gonna say. Here's what I'm gonna say. Every woman in this movie looks dynamite. Thank you. Thank you. You should be wearing those clothes. T2B from the top to the bottom from the hairstyles to the outfits to the chandelier earrings to the chandelier. Absolutely. Joe Beth Williams wearing one of those in-door shoes.

J.P. Double U! But it's the lady of the 80, even though this is a lady one. She's amazing. I do want to call attention to one part of the hot tub scene. We'll break down the whole movie, but the hot tub scene has the best ADR of trying to be sexy. So I want it just to play the hot tub scene. And just listen to all the ADR. That's the additional voice recording,

like clearly after the movie. Like, oh, we need to sex this up. And you will see how they did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, what do you mean? I'm sitting here with three beautiful women who said they ate me. I got them in dream. We still hate you. We decided you should be punished for the way you treat women.

Oh yeah, men like you just have to be stopped. You know you need to stop. We're going to kill you. So that is... I love it. That is the opening scene which looks to me like they're in a pot, like a cauldron. It is so much steam is coming off of that hot tub. It is that they're burning themselves alive.

It's a little hocus-pocus, that's for sure. Well, I thought, are these women witches? Because there are a bunch of them. Yes. OK. And it was time we see three women together. We must think they're witches. Oh, wait, it's them.

They're whores. But here. Jessica. The patriarchy. Jessica, if there were one more woman on this stage, we would be witches. It's just, we just would be, but it's so interesting, Paul, because when Paul and I write before him about to leave, we're talking about the movie a little bit,

because I put it back on, because I wanted to see the beginning again. And Paul said, I just, honestly, I just wish they were witches. And I was like, what? And he was like, I just wish they were witches. Well, why? Please. I agree 100%.

You wish they were witches. Because the movies predicated on a bit of magical realism. Yes. And wouldn't it be better if they weren't murderers, who murder a man for being a womanizer? For being promiscuous. They murder him. Wouldn't it be better if they taught him a lesson

by putting a switcheroo on? I thought it was an interesting concept because it would be like, they need to have some magic here. And that would be a fun twist. And I'd also argue that the one thing that's not acknowledged at all is his ex-girlfriends like hey come over to my house tonight we're gonna have a party and then he sees two of his other girlfriends and he's a fine with that and kisses all of them so were they a thrupple and if that, they were a quadruple. I think it would be quadruple.

There you go, right? So I was confused even about like, what the plan was, were they always hanging out? No, their plan worked. They murdered him. Yes, but when it gets the murder for him, and then God, this movie has, this is a faith-based movie. I think this is a prequel to the child trafficking movie that's going, so bananas right now. This is clear, so then he's in Limbo Repurgatory

and he's given a chance to go back and like God speaks to him and the devil visits him later when he's Ellen Barkin. This is some nuts level stuff that would be much better if they were just which is what they wanted. But here's the thing. So I hate to jump to so much later in the movie, but when we find out that Jimmy Smith is a rapist, A rapist. Ooh. That's a real oo.

It's certainly a tough pill to swallow. It's shunned. And it's, and boy, do they try to make their way around it. But at the end of the day, he's a rapist. OK, so that's a pure, excuse me. That's a exact, it's a period. Thank you. Thank you.

That gets a period on the end of that statement. And period. And so it's just. Which, by the way, she was about to get, which is why she got knocked up. I do wish she had gotten her period. But that's why I, by the time the movie ends, I'm like, oh, they absolutely should

have murdered this guy. Because if Jimmy Smith is a rapist who's probably the nicest man we see in the movie, and we know that our barometer for masculinity and for what's acceptable as Jimmy Smith who is a rapist. I'm like, yeah. No, this is a movie about murderers and rapists. So that's the all of the protagonists

are either guilty of murderous or rapists. This is a movie that flirts with two best friends fucking and they couldn't pull the trigger. It would have been so much better if they just fucked because they want to. Well, I've heard that in the thing. Did anybody? I have a question. Did anybody else think that somehow, and this is not in the movie, to be clear,

this is not in it, but initially when I was watching, I was like, oh, because remember when the devil comes to Ellen Barkin and says, we should have a baby, like Rosemary's Baby, blah, blah, blah, blah. I thought the Jimmy Smith pregnancy thing was cover for the devil giving her a rosemary's big anybody else like that? Because you call when she like when she collapsed on the pillow

saying like I have my period you thought then that devil with the mid-Atlantic accent, fuck her from behind. I don't think it's a mid-Atlantic accent. I would say it's a straight-up British accent. No, it goes in and out. It comes and goes. Can we play the clip The Devil's Plan? Tell me if this is Mid-Atlantic's or British.

Help me. This is the Devil's Plan. This is straight-up of Baltimore accent. Excuse me. Yes. I wish the logic was clinked. What is it this time? I have as much right to Steve Brooks his soul as you do that's why I said I'm not like Mac I'm a connoisseur

That's a British man No, it's not that's not a fair test He'll pick some helpless Unsuspecting female Pretend to be everything he's not in the end. She'll adore him. Mid-Atlantic by applause?

Yeah. British. I'm comfortable with neither. He is in and out. I don't know what this guy's up to, but once again, the two, like the voice of God or the angel or whatever the light. The man and woman voice of God, there are two voices. Okay, so that, those voices and then the physical representation of the devil should have

so much more impact on the events of this movie. Yes, because they're the one setting it in motion like the rich guys in trading places But they don't even reveal the plan like at least in a movie like Brewsters million like you have a Five days to spend a million dollars like I don't think that anyone ever tells Ellen Barkin the plan like no No one ever says oh you are back on this earth to find someone who loves you She kind of pieces it together. No, she does get told. I think somebody says to her, it's a mid movie.

Like an hour in, like she is living as a woman. I do think you're right that this movie is rudderless. It is, it has no, it's unmoored. It is like, you can can't because her plan Because a number of times watching the movie I was like what is she trying to do again? And it seems that to Find a woman who will love her which of course ends up being her own daughter Because split second for a split second For a second. Literally a fetus that's produced. Like you couldn't get any more fresh baby. And like got it.

Ding! Like that's unfair. That's an unfair love. And that's a failure. Like if he genuinely loved the baby, that would be a win I guess. But that's like instantaneous. That's not a win.

I don't think that's a win. I teared up. I obviously I did too. I cried hysterically. I hate myself. Yeah, I cried hysterically. I'm a woman. I hate myself.

But at the same time, I was like, oh, because her pursuing her objective in the movie, Ellen Barkin, which is to find a woman who genuinely likes her or loves her. The only way she does that is to call up people in the past, which is so odd because she already knows, Steve already knows that they hate, that they all hate her.

So it's a tough stuff. It's a short cut, like Steve. Yes. Steve detracts Steve's progression. You would think he's a straight cut. Like Steve. Steve detracts Steve's progression. You would think he's a straight up fucking moron. And the movie work, I think the movie works as well as it does, simply on the shoulders of Ellen Barken doing I think phenomenal work.

Oh, so busy. I mean, I will say. We're not for this incredible physical performance, this broad, funny performance, this movie would be a hate crime. I will say though, they go to the well of the heels. Kill much, do much, get used to it. Disagree, I thought it was funny.

I wrote it in my face. I love it, I love it, I love it. I felt seasick. It was as rudderless as her balance the film and Heels I wrote she's doing so much period. I love it Listen she's so charming and those bangs are gonna get you far You know they're gonna get you real far, but I was like there how You know, they're gonna get you real far. But I was like, the fact that we are presented with a movie that is telling us the learning

curve of walking in heels is 50 days? Like, you must spend three months or get a pair of flats. Why not get flats? Looks like a pop feels like a snaker. It's available on the 19th or 18th try. For a movie that is trying to show what would it be like if a man became a woman, the only gag they have was like, it must be hard to walk in high hills. Like they don't deal with peeing,

they don't deal with a period, they don't deal with, they don't deal with running. Now they didn't deal with running with a broad, I did laugh, you know, I thought that was a problem. Now let me ask you this, because I agree with you Jason, like, Ellen Barkin is very good in this. But I remember a story like when Tom Hanks did big, he's like, oh, I hung out with this kid,

and I took all of his mannerisms, and I really was able to figure out what, you know, this kid is, so I could be the bigger Josh Baskin. It feels to me like, Ellen Barkin never met Steve Steve or watched any dailies of Steve because Ellen Barkin's like, Hey, I'm a New Yorker. He's doing like an alpachino. Yeah, I'm like, who is this guy that you did? It is.

It's as if she is like was it turned into that from a taxi cab driver. Okay, but here's what's so weird about the movie. This is where the movie gets crazy. So I think we're in for a switch, you know, the classic switch. Yeah, but that's not even a switch. Well, yeah, but it's also the fact that this movie dives into homosexuality and her not being able in a woman's body to be attracted to another

woman, even though she is attracted to that woman, but there is a block of some sort. But doesn't want to get blocked. I'm not blocked by the man. Homophobia. Yeah. Okay. Is it though? I thought he's a man.

He's a man in a woman's body. You would think, oh my gosh, this would be a great thing for me to explore, because I never got to do that. Right. When, when. No, but he is, no, but he's. That's what's weird about him. No, but the fucking friend.

Steve has a man. He's a homophobic. The movie can't go there because Steve is a homophobic regardless of his gender. So he is like, what? He's not even attracted. So he is like, what is he like? But he's not even attracted. So it's like he can't even be attracted to a beautiful woman who wants to fuck him

because he knows that mentally she only wants to fuck a woman. Here's the thing, no minute. The minute I realize I've got Titson a vagina, I am jerking off hard. That minute, that's funny. By the way, I'm like, what is this? How does it all work? Any opportunity I get?

I'm going nuts on my guts, though. On yourself? On myself? On myself? On myself? And then for greening it out with everybody else? I will keep your head out. Okay.

I'm going to be like, fuck my face. Damn it! I knew it was coming. I will keep your head out. Okay. I'm going to be like, fuck my face. Damn it! I knew it was coming. I will say this. I will say that this movie is rudderless and unmoored for the first 43 minutes or longer. But there's a part of it where I'm like, is the premise of this movie that the only good woman is a man? Because the only good woman is a man.

Yeah, I don't think so, because the movie goes out of its way to make sure you know every single man in the movie is full stop unredeemable. But the every man is a piece of shit. But she never, never experiences any hardship as a woman because whenever a man is a piece of shit, he's like, fuck you. She punches them in the face.

This whole turn, I think the idea of it should be like, oh my gosh, my good ideas aren't being taken. My this isn't happening. She would, yes, it happens for a second. She says, oh, that was my idea. And then she says to the boss, like, fuck you, that was my idea of your piece of shit. Like, she never shows load that. Well, you're right, Paul, because what we want, what I wanted was to see her realize what it is to be a woman. And to see her kind of understand what she has been doing to women and learn that.

And it doesn't really happen because her response is just like, is so masculine and she's just like, oh, I'll just punch this person, that we never get that satisfying understanding. Now, the thing that's a bummer about this movie is also you leave it feeling like, oh wow, I guess the only way that men can realize like women are humans is to be in their body,

but actually they can't even then. So it doesn't mean that it dukes. It dukes the hangout where everyone knows your name. But if you come in with a short haircut, they will be very upset. OK, just the haircut. I had that haircut in Europe College. OK.

I did think you did not have that hair. I did, she had some hair well for myself. I assure you she didn't have that haircut. Your hair cut, what are youably worse? Okay. But she says in the only moment of self-reflection, she says, you know what, being a woman isn't half bad. And that is like the only insight we get

that it's not half-below. But the man, I feel like he's kind of switcheroo movies. And it's usually people getting put into each other's bodies and having to walk a mile in their shoes blah, blah, blah. This is not that because it's just a gender switch, but it's there is exactly to your point there is no incremental learning. The only learning that gets done is by the third act he can walk in the high heels. That is the only way.

They miss the golden opportunity when she is identifying his body that she doesn't trip into the body, the dead body. When they pull the cadaver out, I'm like, that would have been a funny moment. But I will say that it seems like she really learns the most about being a woman when a stronger woman tries to have sex with her. And he's like, well, now I know. And then all of a sudden, he's quoting like, date rate facts. I'm like, when did you learn that? You didn't seem like you were learning any of this. Like, that's exactly right. It's only in the very end that Steve seems to have any

understanding of what's happening and a point of view from a woman's point of view that has, we have not seen get learned at all. We've only seen him be predatory and difficult, but in a woman's body. I think the old baby he realizes that a snap beneath bodysuit is tough stuff. It is.

I love the record. They should be illegal. I'm in one right now. You love it. You love it. This is a bodysuit. You know, I'm in a relationship. You love it. You love it. This is a bodysuit. You know, I'm in one right now. She said, that is the least sexy moment

when Lorraine Braco just says, unsnap it. Like that's made me feel sick. I don't know. I like this. I will say... I didn't mind it. I like that scene. I will say that there is a a flaw in God's plan Which is you'll hear or I'll tell you how dare you criticize God in Boston

The flaw in God's plan is simply this Steve is shot three times He is in the river dead Where's Ellen Barkin from? Like a Steve is brushing his teeth and then becomes Ellen Barkin. So that this body just appeared, like there's no switch. That body is still dead. It wasn't like they changed the body. Like where was Ellen Barkin before this?

Ellen Barkin is... Again, this would be better if they were witches. Which is... I'm totally seeing that. Because I'll be honest, God is fucking this up. God is making a mistake to keep that man in the river, and it should have also been the devil who fished him out, but again, I won't get into all that.

Could we also just talk... I'm sorry, we're all over the place, Paul. You'd need to get better control over this podcast. I think we're doing great the place Paul you'd need to get better control over this podcast I Think we're doing great. I We haven't even gotten to Jim J. Bullock and the parrot oh Shit, but one of the most The scariest and I mean it I was actually scared is when he comes back to life and is coming after them.

Oh my God. Oh, yeah, tied up. You mean when they fail at their premeditated desire to drown him? Yes. And then Joe Beth Williams pulls a gun out and shoots him five times. Yeah. Three. Three.

Thank you, June. Is it only three? It's only three. One bullet for each woman. That's a lot. One bullet for each woman. Thank you, June. Is it only three? It's only three. One bullet for each woman. One bullet for each woman. That is a lot of murder. That is a lot of murder.

Here is what I will say. I deserved it. No! I did agree. I never once thought he deserved it. I did not. How fuck a murder. I think he deserved it.

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Because he deserved it. I do think he deserved it and the reason why I do is because of what the movie is told me about his best Friend who's arguably like a better guy than him a man who doesn't even call it fucking he says make love But I don't think Jimmy Smith deserves to be murdered. Okay. The audience believe it. He should be sent away. He should be sent away. Jimmy Smith has committed a crime in this movie.

He's raising a crime. Going back to that opening moment when Steve is being drowned at the beginning of the movie. That's a violent scene. He is underwater for a long time. And then you feel in the movie like, okay, that man is dead. The women get out of the hot tub. They're putting on robes, they're telling off one smoking time has passed.

But they are nervous. They are. They are. But time has passed and then all of a sudden, how does he rise up, he is dead. I mean, if he held his breath, I mean. And hearing him slosh around for them. It was genuinely terrifying. It was scary.

I will say, though, to that scene, again, that hot tub scene, he's about to, he's about to eat out one of those things. Okay? That's what's about to happen. You are children of yours. I'm sorry. They're gone.

They're gone. He's headin' down,. You are children of yours. I'm sorry. They're gone. They're gone. He's headin' down, and then they fucking drowned him. I was like, this is the best thing I've ever seen. Yeah. Like, in my way to go. What are you waiting for? What are you waiting for? I want to be there to go.

I wish in college that we had done that for a scene study. Do you know what I mean? The best scenes I've ever seen right now. It is unprecedented. It was, it's very rare to be truly surprised. Yeah, I was like, wow, what's that? I simply wasn't expecting that. The movie then should be about those three women.

And what happens to them? It shouldn't be about him having to go through a supernatural nonsense. It should be about those three women. And what happens to them? It shouldn't be about him having to go through a supernatural nonsense. It should be about them. And the next time we see them, it doesn't have to be in a limo eating a large tub of ice cream. I was talking about a pint.

She's eating a pint of paint can. Two gallon tub of unmarked. This is commercial grade in industrial ice cream. In industrial ice cream. They're getting it. That is cafeteria size. Wow, they stopped at E-Mac and Bollywood, Boston reference.

That's it. Pulled out of nowhere. Where did that come from? The ice cream scene, it was such a reminder of the references of the early, like we were, there's so many movies where women are in a panic and in crisis and turn to ice cream. And it is a trope of the early 90s, the late 80s.

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Cause it's such low calories. I will say, one thing I'm really upset about Paul is that Paul is lactose intolerant, everyone. Okay. Where my lactose intolerant, everyone. Okay? Where my lactose intolerance represents it. No milk. But our son who you saw earlier has taken on the identity of somebody who's allergic to

dairy, and I'm like, you're not allergic to dairy. It's stolen valor. It's stolen valor. It's so crazy. And he's always asking me for a lactate. Yeah, lactate. Always. He's like, I'd love to have that, but do you have a lactate?

And then you're fine. And it's so strange. It's so strange. And it feels like both Paul and I are also like, we don't have the energy to withstand a day without a lactate, so we're constantly giving it to him. Not gonna hurt anything. I mean, you know, I'll keep on saying that I don't know.

I'll let him carry my epi pin. He would love that. By the way, another part of this movie that we probably won't get to, but I feel like I wanna just explore with you at one point. Hey, are we wrapping up? No, I'm just saying this is the darn it. Can we get share it with them? Okay, I'll share it with you. One of the things that I really am fascinated by, I was saying that we probably

would get to it because it's not a natural thing to get to is Ellen Barkin works at an advertising agency and they are bad. Those ads on the wall are bad. Like when I look at it, it's like a wine glass against like clip art and it's like And they are bad. Those ads on the wall are bad. Like when I look at it, it's like a wine glass against like clip art and it's like wine. Or there's a computer like there in like the highest class ad agency and every ad is just, I could make it,

I could make that at home with like clip art. It was so shitty. Also the boss, I thought was Will Ferrell from the side. And I need notice respect. Tony Roberts. Tony Roberts everybody. Classic Woody Allen. A dome.

That hair was so insane. He looked like, and honestly, you don't see that hair on white men these days. You don't. Where did it go? With the skunk stripe, they're all weird. Why? He's getting a perm.

This is perm. That's a perm. It's either a perm or this is a perm. I don't know that it's a perm, but it is definitely pre-moose and hair styling gel. Men didn't do stuff to their hair. I feel like in this era very much. Wow.

I think it might be, I remember my dad in the 80s coming home and he was look so stricken. And my mom's like, what happened? He's like, you know, Jerry, he got a perm. And the guy walked in the office just like, hey, fellas, and didn't mention it. But he had just like a kinky curly waves. That's upsetting.

That is upsetting. I once met a gentleman. wave. That's upsetting. That is upsetting. I once met a gentleman. That's upsetting. It's not a hair cut. It's not a hair cut. And if you're going to get a curve you have to pull it up to it. With a kid who got a perm. Yeah and it's weird you got to call it out. I also went I also went to school I went to swamps got high school right here I would say 80% of the people had perms Men too everybody had a perms. I feel like this is a small

Blip like there was a moment of like perms Moets like there are things, like feathering. I remember I met a man who got a toupee just in the middle of the week. And... That's, yeah, that's work you're gonna want to do over the weekend. You're gonna want to do a Columbus Day weekend and come back with it. You can't walk in. And that's a four-day weekend.

Conversely, I also worked with somebody who lost what you pay in the middle of the week. And then they want, no one ever wants to address it. You gotta address it. If you've got to, you wear it to pay, you've got to have a backup. You can't live a world where you don't have a backup to pay if you lose it.

Like he was like, now I'm done with this face of my life. Oh, I see, I see, I see. You pay life. And you know what? I have to say, because I feel like women are in a time and living in an era. Thank God, where we can put extensions in, weaves, all sorts of manner of things.

We can wear a wig. We can do all manner of thing. And it's this day, it's that wig. We could do a manner of thing. And it's this day, it's that day. Nobody's fact checking us. Nobody's worried about where that hair went. And I wish that for men. I wish that they had that type of freedom.

I agree. I wish I was less wig phobic for men. You know, that's something that I didn't need to switch bodies to figure out. Well, do you, yeah. About myself. Because here's the thing. I swear to God, if we were in a situation where we then

went and spent time with a man who was in a wig, both of you would be like, what the fuck was that? What the fuck was that? What the fuck was that? Sir, I didn't respectfully, I disagree, and I suspect a man wearing a wig would feel guilty you the same as a man drinking tea. By the way, and I think you're responsible. I think that I am a part of the problem,

that I have been breathing in the culture, and I can no longer see it. I totally agree. I am a part of the problem that I have, I have been breathing in the culture and I can no longer see it. I totally agree. I am a part of the problem. Agreed. But I want to dismantle that for myself and for my sons, you know, for everyone really. I wish that for all of you. That's beautiful speech, June. Thank you. A world in which everybody, matter the gender is just throwing away The hair one day take it off the next. That's right. God help us God bless Would you what the first thing? I'm gonna ask this adjacent. I'll come to you in a second

With the first thing that you would do Jason if you became a woman. I know the first thing that you would do but The second thing... Fuck your own face. I would be like, how does this work? Finally, I can figure it out. Would the second thing you do be actively flirting with all of your friends? Because that's what Steve aggressively does on day one. He's like, you got a hard on flirting with Jimmy Schlimitz like he he is

Like is that funny to him because it also feels like that's creepy wait Sorry the question is would you would if I was would I mess with my friends by flirting with them? Yeah, I don't know that he's doing that as a goof I I almost feel like people are giving him the attention because he's now a beautiful woman that he is trying to, he keeps trying to tell people who he is, right? But he also is kind, I mean, would you agree

that he's that? He doesn't want Jimmy Smith to have a heart on for him. His best friend, he doesn't want it to touch the, no, he wants him. He just keeps calling it out. Everywhere, every person that Ellen Barkin passes has an immediate erection. And that isn't her fault.

Or is she calling them out for their shitty behavior towards women, i.e. Hey, Tony Roberts, I know you have a secret apartment where you take the women or to the building super. How does, like, this movie exists in a world in which the men are constantly gifting the other men in their lives women? I gave you that word.

Hey, is that your name? I got to tell you that, Bruno. You remember? Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh building super. But maybe it's- What the fuck is going on? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how you tell me. In some ways, this movie is a post-apocalyptic movie. Go on. You know in that this is a dark web of men. And I don't know. I was alive in 1991.

I wasn't in the advertising world. But if this is at all, what things were like? but if this is at all what things were like. Well, this is like, but this is similar to like the apartment, the Billy Wilder movie, the apartment, where all the executives have an apartment they go, they wanna go to to use for sex, you know, away from their wives, you know, this is, and this is, I feel like,

part and parcel of the same old boy's nonsense that the movie should be attempting to dismantle, but it does not. And instead, yes, that's exactly right. Instead of learning about what it is to be a woman, what Steve ends up doing is leveraging what it is to be a man in this world to protect himself.

And keep yourself. The only good woman, the only good woman is a man, is I think that the premise of this movie keeps some kind of, like if only a woman is a man. Is I think that the premise of this movie keeps some kind of put, like, if only a woman was a man. That's why you just came up with. No, I think that I was writing that down because I, you know, I was like, this movie is like, I'll tell you why how women will be better. If they had a man controlling them, then they would be better. But I will say this, we do get to see the other side.

When they go to the gay club, the restaurant looks like. Okay, okay, okay. We got a- This is roughly the next- This is it, the rest of the show. The rest of the show is only this. By the way, can this be a lot of bad bulls? Talking in this show has made my Apple Watch track energy.

It's like you've done your rings. This show finished my rings on my Apple Watch. Okay, let me say something. You said you would love to have seen a whole movie about the witches. I would have loved to have seen an entire movie about whatever that space was, okay? And also starring, starring the security guard, a woman named Nancy.

Nancy? Nancy's movie. Where's Nancy's movie? Where is Nancy's movie? So Nancy, who's the woman at the end of Stepson, Prorene and is like trying to figure out if like this person's causing a problem I was like is personal issue security card she looks like the bouncer and she seems to know she seems to know Lorraine Bronco if from being at the club before so I'm assuming to see their friend or she works there but it

seems like works there okay because it did seem like she was also really integrated into the going zone of that space. And I've never, you know, been to a few lesbian bars in my day, not to brag, but I've never seen something like that. Something that is fully lit, fully lit. So many. Tramp, right? Plain, slow, slow, big band music.

And the clientele is all white, famed women. Yes. Long, trans of pearls. Period. Every couple is like famed beyond. There's not a butch woman in the entire plot. You can't find one. One, fine one. The aesthetic is very old Hollywood they even start on the pictures in the wall

This movie came out in 1991 but this is like a space easy. It's like but in 1990 I know it's like so secret to be gay You have in New York twice You know, it's a live long term rounds. Here's the thing every person and including everybody who made this movie every person in everybody's homophobic the movie is home of Hope it's on every level I think is Jim J Bullock playing into that or playing against it Jim J Bullock is Repeatedly referred to with the F-Sler

for a gay man, which is absolutely insane. So casually. Even to his own answering machine. Does he call Jim J Bullock and leave it on his own hands? Please, wouldn't it have been amazing? Wouldn't it have been amazing if when Jim J Bullock, who is the psychic that the character goes to to seek advice, if the psychic reading was given through the mouth of his parrot, why

isn't the spirit, there's a parrot there, they keep cutting to the parrot like it's a character in the movie, I kept expecting it to talk, wouldn't it have been great if the parrot was the voice of the spirit? You know what come on He had his spirit guide had accent problems. That was a problematic accent The movie is so homophobic and I I should have spent more time on this because the The lesbian scene like the movie perceives or thinks lesbians are hanging out in brightly lit.

I think carpeted? Like a ballroom. Oh yes, our restaurant has wall to wall carpeting. Carpeted ballrooms and that they are dancing, they're slow dancers together to like classical music. Like they're in the eighth place. No, it's like big dance music.

It's like they're ballroom dancers. But there's no band. It's all piped in. That's somebody playing that as a track. And that they're all dressed in like cocktail dresses. Such a never seen a portrayal of a lesbian like that. I mean, it really, I mean, just put it in with. I just want to put it in with anybody in the movie as a human being.

I just want to put it into context one more time. This is the same year that Terminator 2 Judgment Day comes out. Home Alone comes out. Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Like, this is 19, this feels like if you said 85, I'm like, okay, that's a look at something that when you said 91 earlier, I was genuinely shocked because that makes no sense for this.

And I will also just bring this up to a moment. This movie does dick around for a long time and I think it's worth watching the most insane 90 seconds. It's like, it's almost like the moment in home alone where they wake up and they realize that they all get to the airport in like five minutes. This movie is like, oh shit, we're an hour and twenty minutes in. We don't have a plot. Go! And then in 90 seconds, this goes down. Just watch this 90 seconds. This goes down. Just watch this 90 seconds. You're under arrest for the murder of Stephen Brooks.

You invited Mr. Brooks to the party. Yes, but he never showed up. She's lying. You're a witness. Why did you meet the defendant? The morning after the party. What did she tell you? That she was Steve Brooks reincarnated as a woman. What else did you tell you?

That I shot him. Who? Him. Her. What else did you say that God had sent him back? Would you mind speaking up, please? That God had sent him back and that he couldn't get into heaven until he found one female who liked him.

Steve. Her. But she was drunk. No, I wasn't that drunk. BANG! BANG! You're so only swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

So help me God. State your name. Steven Brooks. And Prissy. I'm the one who's walking. You gotta get me out of here. I'm doing the best that I can. I'm trying to kill.

How do I deal? Five fun flavors. I'm gonna have a baby. You're fucking full, but I'd like to strangle you next to our deal. 5 funflaters. 5 funflaters. I'm gonna have a baby. You're fucking full, but I like to strangle you. That's how I feel. That's 90 seconds. The first?

More plot happens in that 90 seconds. I was gonna say the first, I mean more than two-thirds of the movie happen in, I'm gonna say, a week. Maybe not even the course of maybe four or five days for the vast majority of the movie and then from here until the end of the movie takes months she just dates a human she gets nine months in nine months gives birth then dies then her daughter is five years old. But yeah, she's been in her grave. But then I will also say that the reason why she dies or the reason why we understand that she's gonna die

is because she's like prediabetic and has high cholesterol. But if they didn't switch body really? Yeah. That's why she dies. She has blood pleasure. And diabetes. And so she dies in childbirth. Yes, right.

So, but I felt like, well, whose body is she taking those ailments from? Because Steve is in the river. You know what's interesting, too? You're really doing a lot of science. You're doing so much medicine. Like, it would be a pretty fresh body. Remember? But I forget what this is, but I haven't even know when she goes to prison,

right prior to that, all the women are back in the hot tub? Oh, yes. How can they do their meetings? It, what, what, what is that? That's where they do their witch meetings. Let's get back in the hot tub. That would be, remember, when we murdered someone, let's go hang out in the hot in the murder tub.

But don't forget, Lorraine Bronco is in her own gigantic tub when she answers the phone. Jessica, I will be thinking about her that tub for a long time because there were three to four TVs. Like she was calling like a sitcom, like Go Camera A, Go Camera C from her tub. From her tub and I was like, wow, that's so dangerous. Yeah.

That amount of electricity. I wish that Ellen Barkin had smoked the cigars more. I loved when she became like a cigar chomp and it made me feel like this was, I would have loved it more if instead this was like oh God and oh God you devil or whatever I would like it if it was not that those note that if it was a switcheroo with an old man like who smokes a cigar That's what it felt like she was doing like George Burns or something Ah, but this is the thing. It's like you need to understand who you're switching with or it's weird

It's like Jumanji. I really like Jumanji and there are the new Jumanji But there are people in it that are acting just like the teenage avatars and the people who are not and like Ellen Barkin is trying to sit uncomfortably like you look at us all sitting here Too men to women None of us look like. I like the cross. I love, I love it. None of us are like, I love your arm.

I love it. You have a chair and stone shot in the first place. I love it. That must have been kind of racy for back then. I love it. I can't even do it,

not for, not for nothing. It may be laugh. That's he made me laugh. It's just sitting in the box. It's like, not even aware of it. What about when she takes a penthouse out at the barber? That, okay. So that, wow, so hard because, like, and this is really for old people, but like, when you went to a barber shop,

they were playboy. They were, that's real. And my barber shop, it's still there. Wait, it's stillboys. They were? That's real. And my barbershop, it's still there. Wait, it's still there. What the hell, Paul? That's why Paul goes to get a haircut every three days. The only chance I get it to see. Wait, you were supposed to be sitting and flipping through

beaver to beaver, to beaver, leave it to beaver. Just check out the beaver. Yes, my barbershop. Just beaver to beaver. My barbers Yes, my barber shop. To beef me this. My barber shop has tall on top. I can't. Our children go to that barber shop. I can't.

It's right on the racks. It there been. I can't understand. They're saying I can't. It doesn't make it better that they're vintage. Why? Why, what? Because it's a gentleman's magazine.

And a barber shop is a gentleman's domain. What do gentlemen did they read Playboy with? For the articles? For the article? For the article? But yet, oh yeah, just like, yeah. Beef? And what you would do to your friends?

I would. So, Jess, let me be clear. I would never. I would literally, I know everybody's like, oh, come on, you're gross, we know you're gross. I would never be like, check this out to a, I would be more to fast. I just feel like that's a private, that's a private. But yes, I agree with you.

I would hope so. I think so. I think so. Public pornos? Public pornos, i.e. at the barbershop or whatever, is insanity. That's the great, that's the reason I just saw that. It's almost, we know about men the better.

And that remains true. The only good woman is a man. No, stay ignorant. I will. I will stay ignorant. I will stay. No less. The equivalent of like looking at porn and a barbershop No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So here's the thing he's not disgusted by her. He's hot for her. He is but he is managing his own homophobic And I also think he says to her Which is true the only reason he's trying to sleep with her is to get the facts in cosmetics account

But and that's his but I don't think that's true because that's wait a second I think that's what Steve would have done right is leverage, his sexuality to get the account. But he's also a gospel-rocko, right? She's hot for broko. Because she's all fumbling. Oh my god, I don't know how to unsnap it. And that's so he, she, okay. I honestly think something, even though I just said

it's homophobia, and I think it's a part of it, but I think something else is happening on a deeper level for Steve and his sexuality, which is to truly pleasure a woman. He doesn't know. Because he now is a woman, he's confronted by something. It's like he, well, he's not in the driver's seat. Yes. That's what really uncomfortable for him. It's homophobia, yeah, sort of. But it's also something else is happening in that moment. I think that's where the movie does function as a drama

because I'm like, there are some psychosexual levels happening here that like, my mind can't even wrap it. He has himself out. But he passes out because I do think he's not used to maybe a balanced or giving up or giving in like she is controlling that. And she's going to require something that Steve as a man has never been able to do. Yeah. He's. Wait, give a give a woman an orgasm. Yes, my guess. I think Steve is being confronted with the fact that his masculinity or what he perceives of as his

competence as a lover is in fact a sham. But what is it that every woman he talks to is like he sucks like all the calls. He's just told constantly over and over again. You are disliked by every single woman. But here's what I would love. I would have loved for Steve to be fucked by someone and be like, wow, that's what it's like. And because he was a homophobic, for him to fall in love with his best friend,

who he has a natural connection with and then have sex with him I think would have been a very fulfilling ending, but they've turned it into rape and it's like oh It's so It's always a bummer you cannot leave You cannot leave smits with NYPD blue balls No, this is why I sent my parents home. That's a solid joke.

Solid joke. Solid joke. Let's go into the crowd. I want to talk to the audience and see if they have anything that they want to talk about. From Discord, somebody whose name is Fragaaha. Where are that? Was that over there?

OK, we're going to come to you first. Because you have an interesting point that I'd love you to pitch out over here. Okay. He's looking at cliff notes of his own writing. All right, what's your name? Jeremy. Jeremy, welcome Jeremy. Jeremy, what is your question? I'll hold the mic. Okay, yep. Why at the end of the movie would Steve want to be a female angel in the afterlife when throughout the movie, Steve was still his old piece of shit strobing himself. Agreed. I agree. I mean, the movie wants you to believe he's learned something, but I just don't think it's

shown us that learning. I don't think. I don't think so either. But I also feel like, is he a woman? Does he become a female angel? He makes a finger. that's deceival. He never decides because I don't think the movie wants to say that men are better than women or women are better than men. I think they want to both sides now, which by the way, how did they get Joni Mitchell?

I don't know. They must have been hushed through the face. We gotta talk to Joni. What? Ladies and gentlemen, Joni Mitchell. That was so tough because that is, both sides now is actually, We gotta talk to Joni. What, ladies and gentlemen, Joni Mitchell. Yeah! That was so tough because that is, both sides now is actually, I will say, my favorite song.

I know. And I love that song so much. I think the lyrics are so beautiful. To hear it at the beginning of the movie, I was like, okay, what's happening here? Why is my favorite song being played? And then to hear it again at the end, it was really tough. It was devastating. For how it's really exciting. That's what I'm saying. I've never heard that song in a movie. Twice in this

garbage. And by the way, that song should be in every movie. Like that song is so important. Those lyrics are so important to be, to hear them for the first, I think it's the first time I've heard them in a movie. Oh yeah. Hear them in this movie was so shocking. But I didn't want to reveal this. I didn't want to reveal this.

Joni Mitchell saw this movie and was like, you have to put one of my songs in it. She was like never have I seen a film. No, I believe it. And they said, well, you know, she's a take them all. And this is really just use one. And so yeah, that's an interesting fun, Joni fact for you. How dare you. All right, your name. My name's Lindsay. Is it OK for Jimmy Smith to marry a woman who has been institutionalized for her to marry her rapist while the Cardinals who is marrying them

is clearly not OK with what is going on great question great question I don't think she to be clear. I don't think she's been institutionalized for like mental reasons Yes, it says a mental because she I thought she's in prison. I'm sorry. I thought she was in prison So she is institution alone. I misunderstood. I misunderstood. Because I think she should be locked up.

Right. Lock her up, question mark. I love that, even at that wedding, only the orderlies showed up, like no family. I think they had to be there, babe. I don't think they showed up. Yeah. But I mean, I agree. They're on the clock for that one. I think they're to be there, babe. I don't think they showed up. Yeah. But I mean, I agree.

They're on the clock for that one. I think they're on the clock. You think invitations went out to just the orderlies? Save the day. She is charming. But where's Jimmy Smith's family? Poor Jimmy. I mean, is Jimmy in love with his best friend?

Yes. Was he always in love with them before he turned into a woman? You think? I mean, I do think this is the best relationship he's ever been in. And the friendship. And then when he gets that ass, that he can't stop touching, I do think that that's one of the questions of the movie that it can't answer

and won't is these sort of homoeroticism between two male friends. Wouldn't it be interesting? Wouldn't it be interesting to investigate that? I would love to know. I love that to switch back and see how they feel about each other. Or for even Ellen Barkin's character to speak to the transition for them in terms of attraction or whatever it means to be now engaged in an actual, consensual relationship with Jimmy Smith. Because the movie is like, well, if they have sex, it cannot be. Well, and also, this movie is so crazy, because the way that, and this is what I mean by how like the barometer, the male barometer in this movie

is so distressing, because the way that our Howard Steve in Ellen Berkens body addresses his own rape of his body is sort of like, ah, you fucking did it. You crazy cat, like, you raped me while I was asleep. And it's so distressing. Your name and your question. My name is Florenceanne.

And first of all, I think one bit of physical comedy that I really loved was Ellen Parkin was always wearing her purse directly around her neck. Thank you. That was a really interesting thing. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, it's true.

It's convenient. You can sort of rifle around. Yeah. And you know that she doesn't know how a woman wears a purse. Yes. Strange. No, we're going to know it. But she's a man.

Yeah, but she still looks at a woman. She purse. Yes, strange. Never heard of it. No, but she's a man. Yeah, but she still looks at a woman. She's not a star man. But here's the thing. She knows how people behave. You've seen star man? No. I knew it. I fucking knew it.

No. You're a goddamn liar. My question has to do with sort of earlier on in the movie where I was like, where's the point? Where's her ambition? I thought for a minute that she was going to befriend Margo where they were hanging out in her bed and I mean yes she was blackmailing her. You know, they're they're she could understand Margo. She may, oh I would have killed me too. Margot was saying, yeah, exactly. And Margot was saying, well, of course,

you can't make out with that woman. You are a homophobe. I thought, like, oh, are we going to have a moment of woman, woman, friendship, which is actually one of the nice things about being the woman. Sure. And just, what would the movie be if we went that direction instead of forcing the male female relationship with the rapist? Yes, wouldn't it wouldn't it have been great for for Ellen Barking slash Steve?

Yes, give it up. It's a great point. For the movie to be about the friendship that that comes out of her and the woman who murdered her. And she ends up loving her. That she ends up liking her. That's what I mean. That's a movie. That's a movie. That's a movie. That's a movie. That's a movie. Thanks, Mario. You have a nice screen grab here. Okay.

This is okay. Your name? Okay. Your name? Jake. Okay, Jake, go for it. We didn't really talk about the director, who's also the director of breakfast at Tiffany's.

But he wrote and directed this movie. He also wrote and directed Victor Victoria. Correct. Oh, wow! Okay, so he did this. It's Blake Edwards. This is a Blake Edwards movie? Yep.

The Pink Pan' Blake Edwards? Skin deep with John Ritter and a glow in the dark condom. Jason, it gets worse. OK, do not talk to me like that, sir. I deeply apologize. So he did an interview when he was promoting this movie. And I'm not going to read it for word. But he went over not showing the

date rape thing and the abortion issue and also why he made this movie. So he didn't show it because he said it was towing a fine line, but originally the date rape was in the script and the people funding the movie made him remove it. He said that while he's pro choice for others, deep down, he would keep the baby and that the reason Steve did it was because the reason Steve did it was because he's the only man to ever have that happen. He wanted to see it through. And then he said, I'm just going to read because it blows my mind. One of the things that drove me to write Switch was to show what it's like carrying a baby. What?

This is that movie? Because I'll be honest, that only happens in the last seven minutes. I mean, he must have been pissed when Junior came out with Danny Javito and Schwarzenegger. Like the amount of, they give the same amount of time He must have been pissed when Junior came out with Danny DeVito and Schwarzenegger. Like the amount of, they give the same amount of time to the baby as they do to the twin towers in the last scene of this movie. Oh God. Too far?

Too soon? Too soon? Never forget. Question. Wow, that really got me I do know that one scene that was edited out was just audiences Did not respond to the romantic subplot between Ellen Barkin and Lorraine Bronco, so they cut that oh So there was more there was there was an actual oh interesting That's what it seemed like it seemed like a will they won't they.

I want to see them get back together and love each other. But that would have been amazing. Yeah. But 1991 was homophobic, is what we understand. OK, so here we go. I mean, by the way, it's limited to just that year, man. I don't think that's the one year we had. 88, 89, not homophobic, 91,

very homophobic. It's someone who in that era lived in Boston. Tough town. All right, you know, obviously we have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Steve walked like a man, talked like a man. That's why his life is done. opinions. Now they have a baby, and that she died, that she gave birth,

the thing she changed now has worth to enter heaven straight from earth, as woman or as man. It's time to look at both sides now, this movie, God, five stars somehow, review delusions with and thrall Or do we not know films at all? Thank you. My name is Cassie. Thank you.

Great job, Boston. Great job. OK, these are five star reviews, cold from Amazon. There are 733 total reviews. The average prime rating is 4.7 out of 5 stars. 80% of the reviews are five star reviews. Let's start with Kevin who writes, like, blazing saddles in airplane. Some things were just done so well, no one tried to top it. This seems like one of those five stars, title, enduring comedy. Now, I would make the argument that many people have made this movie.

A lot, right? Body switching men, women, yeah. I think people have tried to top it. I think they have, right? Mel Gibson? What, wait, no, that's just he can hear what women want, right? Oh, then, okay, then, yes. But I mean, it's similar territory. Jen Ann, she was in a movie called Switch, right?

Yeah, she switched Chis. Oh, yeah. All right, so? Yeah, she switched shoes. Oh Yeah, all right, so maybe it hasn't been done. All right. This person was right Sunny writes this funny. It's move. Did you just agree with a second opinion? This is the first time in history that a second guppinion convinced you Blazing Saddles airplane Airplane, Switch, enduring American comedies. Sonny writes this, funniest movie in the genre that we've ever seen. Alan Barkin oughta earned an Emmy for this role. A real hoot, five stars, the title, Alan Barkin,

Aura earned an Emmy, but Emmy is in quotes for this. Is it Alan Barkin? You seem to be saying Alan like a kid. Alan. Alan Barkin. It is Alan Barkin. Alan Barkin, but an Emmy, she would not be nominated for an Emmy, but I guess an Oscar was male, so the joke might have been

an Emmy? No, this is no joke. This is a moron. Emmy is in quotes, all right. And then Ellen Barkens should get an egot for this. And our final one from Jackie L. Adams. Great movie. I laughed till water came out of my eyes. Buster. I like that. I like that as if as if Jackie is confused.

What is this? What is this water coming out of my eyes? Help. This movie produces help. To water came out of my eyes. I will say this. This movie is a remake of two films, good by Charlie, and that was a Debbie Reynolds Tony Curtis comedy, an angel number nine, an ex-rated film about a heartless, despicable womanizer who is reincarnated as a woman who then falls for a heartless, despicable womanizer written and directed by Roberta Finley. Its tagline was, the first, erotically explicit film ever made by a woman.

And this was directly a remake of that? It says it's a remake of two films. They also... Has anybody seen those movies? Angel number nine? No. The next rated film. Boston, no.

This is what you have and you're like, I'm not saying it. I'll wait and talk about it at the barber shop. Ellen Barkham may not have gotten an Emmy, but she was nominated for Golden Globe. She lost to Beth Midler in For the Bullies. And this is the final moment here. In the last scene, CPR is given by the doctor, but it's just above the left of the navel. That is the incorrect place to do it.

No. No. So just some facts. We didn't even talk about as she's pushing the baby out. She was using Jimmy Smith's penis as her stabilizer. That seemed appropriate. Movie was hit, budget 14 million, total gross, 15.5. Came in number 84, in the top 200 movies of all of 1991,

it beat out drop dead Fred. Body punks, stone cold, nothing but trouble, mannequin on the move and cool his ice, but it was beaten by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. Look who's talking to Hudson Hoth and Highlander 2, the quickening. So there you go. All of those did better than this?

There you go. I mean, wow, wow, in deed. I think I just have two quotes of lines from the movie that we didn't cover that I enjoyed. One of them is, again, I don't think we've given enough credit to Joe Beth Williams, who I think is absolutely dynamite in this movie. She's phenomenal. And dynamite in every- She always is is yeah they're walking across the they're across the sidewalk into the car she's wearing a fur coat and someone says do you know how many poor

animals had to die to make that coat Joe Beth Williams do you know how many rich assholes I had to fuck to get this coat boom so bad boom home run quote you know what that's so good I'm not even gonna read the other one all right and I So good. Boom. Home run quote. You know what? That's so good. I'm not even going to read the other one. All right, and I want to just think describing oneself as being built like a brick shit house. That was amazing.

Underrated. I know. I do want to call attention to one performance of somebody that I love. Katherine Keener? Yes. So Katherine Keener. Katherine Keener. Can we play that clip?

I'm sorry, I still have that under the secretary. No, don't worry about it. The secretary clip. I gasped. I did too. I did too. A great little moment that we just have to call it where the secretary is crying. Here's sister.

Well, half sister. We only just discovered each other a few days ago. Oh, oh, because I've been a secretary for two years and uh... You never said anything about that? Nothing, nothing. Did you, uh, did you look in the drawer? Yeah, I did. Let me have a look.

He told Amanda that he was going to chuck it on and be like Gogand. The painter? Can't believe that he wouldn't call me. Hey, what's this here? What? What? So no, it says two-walk there. But would you find that? Uh, in the drawer.

I look. The wall's my setup with my life. I decided to chuck it all, start again, like, go again. I asked Amanda and I have sister to stay in my apartment while I'm gone. Take it a lunch. You're a lackey. She's got a great pair of...

so long, Steve. Look, Amanda. He's really gone. Yeah, looks that way, sugar. He'll always called me that. Jesus, he must have been really crazy, man, huh? Ha, ha, ha. I hated him.

I always cried when I'm really, really happy. It's great performance. It's happy. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's also that watching that, it makes me realize, like, and you telling me it's a Blake Edwards movie, and you didn't tell me this motherfucker right here, dude. Double your hands down, asshole.

That's your house, brother. This movie thinks it's like a screwball comedy, like a goofball, like she walks in, she produces the note, the note says everything that Jimmy Smith just said. It's, the movie thinks it's hilarious in like a, can you believe it? Kind of way, and it's not.

In the sanitarium where she is pregnant, and there's a very dramatic scene, there's just a man bouncing off the walls, the background. I love that man. And I loved Katherine. I loved him. And I loved Katherine Keener because she barely gets a close-up in this movie. You know who else doesn't get much?

Teoleonie. That's young Teoleonie. That's right. And I thought for sure, Teoleonie was going to be the woman that he pursues. Yes. And I thought for sure we Taelioni was gonna be the woman that he pursues and is, I thought for sure we were building up to that. But it was just nice to see Catherine Keener in this little role, you know, made me feel like

maybe all the little roles I've done will add up to a career of sorts. Some day when someone else's film based podcast is doing an episode of, like, you check out, when all of your kids are doing this podcast someone else's film-based podcast is doing an episode of the... Yeah, maybe I'll be mentioning. When all of your kids are doing this podcast still? Ah! And they're talking only about the movies you guys have been doing.

Truly, I barely recognize her voice at first, but I didn't... We don't even fall on her face. And that's... And that's... ...the entire movie season profile. And that's... ...the entire movie season profile. And that's Judy Diane Rapefield from Going to Distance. Yes, I was in that film, Paul.

I... And give a great performance. Can I say something that I genuinely did enjoy about the movie? How often most scenes ended in a fist fight? Always. I loved, I loved how much. If Ellen Barkin's character punched this many people into unconsciousness,

she would have broken hands for the whole movie. So you would recommend it. Oh yeah. June, would you? I would actually. Jessica? I would as well. And you got a big old thumbs up for me.

That's a four. That's a fourth thumbs up. All right, quickly, plugs. Any plugs? I have a plug for you guys. Deep dive. Plug. Yeah, deep dive please. If you would like to pursue your degree in significance,

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