How Did This Get Made? - The Arrival LIVE!

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

Paul, June, & Jason tackle the 1996 sci-fi alien thriller The Arrival starring Charlie Sheen and our favorite actor/activist, Ron Silva. LIVE from Largo in LA, they discuss the backwards-kneed Mr. Tum...nus aliens, Charlie Sheen's goatee, the ceiling fan scorpions, and the elaborate bathtub death scene. Plus, Paul and June reveal they have a friend who they believe is an alien. This episode is sponsored by the McDLT—the only burger where the beef stays hot and the Donald, Lettuce, & Tomato stays cool! • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  â€¢ Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Open up a can of smashed assholes. We saw the arrival so you know what that means. I bet you see a bird last show with their crow And take a photo speed to hit the cruise control J. Dan, Big Paul, and the beautiful Julie Gonna take you from the doom while the wind is you roll Rain again, just shriek by the hope to blow off steam Just a sucker punch the on-line for tipping Three shot middle is birdemic, how we stand alive They call me when they're badass and he's on the line Cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice
Starting point is 00:00:43 Cause they're bad Jeff, Barney looking kind tonight. Paul and Drew getting little, while Jason is getting lame. Julis making sure all the monkey shots get the pain. They're just a bunch of movies, one that make him the great. Here's a real question for you, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth! Hello, people of Los Angeles! We are live in our LA home on the third night of our tour where we didn't even have to leave
Starting point is 00:01:13 town. Now that's the way you're supposed to do it. Celine Dion style. Couple years from now we'll be in Vegas, we'll all be there, it'll be a blast. Tonight, we are talking about a movie that I raced out to see in the theater. That's right, when I heard Charlie Sheen in Aliens, I was like, get me a ticket. Ran out, saw the arrival, all one hour and 55 minutes of it, and loved it. All right. IMDB describes the arrival as, Zane, an astronomer, discovers intelligent alien
Starting point is 00:01:53 life, but the aliens are keeping a deadly secret and will do anything to stop Zane from learning it. I would say that that description really gives you a lot more energy than the movie has. Um, uh, this is a movie whose budget was $25 million. An opening weekend. Yeah, that is surprising. This is back in 1996. So think about $25 million in 1996. That's about like $75 million. And the opening weekend weekend 4.8 domestic gross 14 all right so yeah people didn't connect with it the way
Starting point is 00:02:36 that I connected with it back in 1996 but it does have a 66% on the the tomato meter from the audience because the audience gets it. We're going to break down everything that happens in the arrival. We're going to find out if aliens do exist here tonight with my co-host. Please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason Manzoukas. What's up, jerks? Yes, let's go! Let's go!
Starting point is 00:03:05 Let's go! We have arrived. We have arrived. Our arrival is here. It is now. I don't know if you have a memory of this. I don't know this movie at all. Really?
Starting point is 00:03:13 This movie's a zero for me. I watched this and was like, wow. I was excited. I was like, can't wait to revisit because I'm going to be in the movie. I'm going to be in the movie. I'm going to be in the movie. I'm going to be in the movie. I'm going to be in the movie. I'm going to be in the movie. I'm going to be in the movie. I'm going to be in for me. I watched this and was like, wow.
Starting point is 00:03:27 I was excited. I was like, can't wait to revisit because I was a fan of the movie that kind of preceded this, which was called Terminal Velocity. Do you remember that? No. Wait, this is a sequel? No, David Twohy. Oh, I see. You like the director's other work. They were like, let's work together again. Terminal velocity is great. Did we do it? No. Oh, it's great? Well, I mean, who knows?
Starting point is 00:03:52 I thought this was great, too. So it's Tooey and Chuck Sheen again? Yeah. There was a time, and maybe it's because I worked at Blockbuster where I was watching a lot of Charlie Sheen movies and being like, this guy's got the goods. What I found nuts about this was I not only hadn't seen it, I knew nothing about it.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Okay. So that there was a Charlie Sheen, is a scientist slash Indiana Jones slash smart person? I was like, no, I don't know what that, I don't even know what this is. The fact that you're saying Indiana Jones really, I mean.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Well, all of the second act in Mexico, he appears to be doing a Indiana Jones romance in the Stone Rift. I guess you're right. Here's June. Oh, wait. Ladies and gentlemen, June Diane Rayfield. June Diane Raybiel. Too much was being said.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Sorry June, how are you? I'm okay now. How are you? June, where do you fall on the arrival? So I had never seen it, similar to Jason, never heard about it. I loved it. I... I walked in on you.
Starting point is 00:05:09 And you really prepped me because you were like, it's very difficult to watch, like, start watching it now. You'll have to take breaks. Like, it's hard. I rewound a lot. I rewound a lot because I found that I was easily distracted while watching it. Because it did go slowly for me. So not enough was happening all the time. So I would get distracted
Starting point is 00:05:29 and then I could tell something happened. So I actually re, I watched this movie for over four hours. I think I put in- I said to Paul, I'm like, I was watching and then I did get confused at one thing. I'm like, no, how did he find that factory in Mexico? Like how did he find it? And Paul was like, cause he had already finished it.
Starting point is 00:05:51 He was like, oh, he, well, he was just like, he was like looking through the jungle and then he saw it. And I was like, no, you didn't watch that part either. Then you also were distracted. And then I went back and I was like, no. Yes. He goes looking for the radio station, it's burned out, and then it pretty much just cuts to him
Starting point is 00:06:08 with some sort of telescope. Isn't that him with the telescope? Yeah, he just comes upon it. Yeah, I mean, he also is, I mean, Charlie Sheen is doing some great CGI acting, where it's like, Charlie, this thing's gonna come out of the ground, it's gonna be big. You gotta give us a big reaction.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Oh, he's like. Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba. Yeah, I mean, everything is like, Charlie, bigger. It's gotta be, the bathtub falls through the floor. Charlie, give it to us big. Can I say something though? I thought he did a fine job. I fucking love Charlie Sheen.
Starting point is 00:06:42 I really did. I find him to be very watchable, whether you like that or not. I really do. And they really, they did him a disservice by really, he's on a journey alone for so much of the movie. He has almost no one to talk to or bounce stuff off of except for those moments or periods of time where he links up for a few scenes with Kiki the Kid or for a few scenes with Lindsey Krause or for a few scenes with Kiki the Kid, or for a few scenes with Lindsey Krause, or for a few scenes with Terry Polo. But otherwise, he's just on his own and holding it together
Starting point is 00:07:09 as best he can. But when he goes undercover into the spaceship, the air, the base, whatever. Yeah, the factory, the alien factory. When it's established, guys, when it's established that they are aliens, it is one hour and 15 minutes into this movie before someone's legs do a Mr. Tum-ness. And the interesting thing about those legs is like, first of all, I thought it was very, for limited CGI, whatever, for that type of work to be like early days. I actually thought that choice was very evocative.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I was like, oh, that's deeply upsetting. And that is alien. That's so wrong. But then I did have to wonder about the aliens because they are advanced creatures. It's just harder to walk with your legs backwards. Well, they don't. You almost never see them walk. They seem to be using it to jump. Yeah. Yeah, they do.
Starting point is 00:08:15 When that guy, Mr. Tonus, is his legs and jumps up through the thing, I was like, they're like, here we go. I screamed. I wish this had been happening for 20 minutes already, and it doesn't happen for another 20 minutes still! You know, June, you said it was disturbing to see their legs go backwards. I'll tell you what was disturbing to me.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Charlie Sheen's goatee. Sure. It's a rough look. It's a rough look for an attractive man. I don't know if that was like, oh yeah, I'm a scientist. I got a goatee. You know, I don't know if that was a choice in his life or a choice for the character. What year did you say this was?
Starting point is 00:08:51 96. I feel like this is peak goatee. Yeah, I think so. This is big goatee time. So we're all into goatees. This is when I had a goatee, I believe. Oh, wow. 96?
Starting point is 00:09:04 Yeah, this is when I had a big,e I believe oh wow 96 yeah this is when I had a big like only goatee that went like this long whoa in anthrax love that well it's so funny because the character that he plays and I don't know if this Charlie Sheen I don't know where the line is between Charlie Sheen and the character but you character of Zane. Of Zane. I hated that his name was Zane. It was horrible. And he said so much.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Zane Zeminski. Zane Zeminski. But the thing about Zane is like, it's not... Like Indiana Jones, a lot of these other characters, scientists turn sort of action hero characters, they do seem like, oh, they're normal, nice guys who are, have this thing unfolding in front of them and are trying to get people to understand their point of view. With him, it was like, oh, you, you do have the truth.
Starting point is 00:09:54 And I understand that you're trying to get people to believe you because what you know is true, but you're still crazy. Like you, Zane, are still insane. Well, I'm not on his side, that's for sure. The way that you don't get on his side right away is when he's working, his wife calls him and says, Oh, I'm out at a bar. And he's like, What? Where?
Starting point is 00:10:18 You better get home. I'm like, Wow. All right. Wait a second. I thought that was crazy too. That's not his wife though. Terry Pohl is not his wife. No, no, I'm only saying that because I was like, Oh, wait,, wait a second. It was a... I thought that was crazy, too. That's not his wife, though. Terry Polo's not his wife, right? Oh, his girlfriend, right. No, no, I'm only saying that because I was like, oh, wait, they are not married, are they? They're not.
Starting point is 00:10:30 That's the thing that I loved about this movie, though, is the choices it makes, the love triangle that's established is so... Between Charlie, Terry Polo, and Kiki? The fact that they're not married, that she's also got her own career journey in San Diego, that we think she's an alien at one point. For a lot of the movie I thought she was an alien.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I wanted her to be an alien. She works at a brokerage? She works at a brokerage. He works for like, I don't know. SETI. Oh, he works for SETI, sorry. Then he's just walking, then he gets fired. Toby Ziegler is his partner in crime from the West Wing,
Starting point is 00:11:09 Richard Schiff, like one of the true greats. One of the true greats, and I was bummed he was killed. Heartbroken. I have so many of my notes in the beginning are like, fuck yes, Toby Ziegler's here. Give me more Zieg. And guess what? No, he's done.
Starting point is 00:11:23 The landscapers get him. They pruned him right up. I do want to like figure out, because these guys are, like there are versions of this movie where it's like Charlie Sheen's a real estate agent and on the side he has an infatuation with aliens. Like you know in the way that like Richard Dreyfus character in you know Close Encounters, his job isn't aliens. It's like, but, right? So he is doing his job. He is working at his job.
Starting point is 00:11:51 And Terry Pohl is like, oh, you're just obsessed with these aliens. It's like, it's his job. Well, not only that. He's doing his job. He's like, oh, another night working? It's success. It's also success at his job. That's the thing. He's bringing his bosses exactly what he's supposed to be bringing. That's what success at his job. Yeah. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:12:05 He's bringing his bosses exactly what he's supposed to be bringing. But that's what I couldn't quite understand though. Is his job to find alien frequencies? Yes. I think they're listening. That's setting. Him and Toby Ziegler are listening at some frequencies and then they hear something, they bring the tape to actor-activist Ron Silver.
Starting point is 00:12:24 You gotta love Ron Silver. Ron Silver is incredible in this movie. I love him. As is the Ron Silver character where he's also himself, but with a mustache. I am. I just loved that. I loved when we had Ron Silver play multiple. I was like, whoa. It was so good. And then, oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:45 I would just say that SETI stands for the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. That's his job. Yeah, they are listening. Right, that's his job. Which made sense, but nowhere in the, okay. So nowhere in the movie's setup, I understand what's happened, but like June was saying, I'm not rooting for Charlie Sheen.
Starting point is 00:13:05 Charlie Sheen doesn't seem to know what exactly he's pursuing. You know, there should be- The biggest find of all time. That's what I'm saying, he should be a whistleblower. He should be like, he should have the information. He's running all over the world. But he puts on that, well, once they didn't listen to him,
Starting point is 00:13:22 when he, I guess, goes undercover as a janitor and then goes into that meeting, they're like, where's my boss? I'm like, wait, once they didn't listen to him, when he, I guess, goes undercover as a janitor and then goes into that meeting, they'd be like, where's my boss? Like, wait, why are we doing this? I think- He wasn't in a janitor's- No, that's what he wears, man. That's, well, no, that's his, he's a telephone repair-
Starting point is 00:13:36 He's a satellite, yeah. Person or a telephone salesperson. Wait, wait, I thought that that was the one scene when he's like going around town, getting the satellites all hooked up. But I thought like, that's his job, but I didn't know he would wear that to the media. Oh yeah, he's wearing that. He's wearing full like regalia belt and everything.
Starting point is 00:13:55 And like Indiana Jones has his whip on his hip all the time for Charlie Sheen. It's a Sony sports walkman. Now I have that walkman. We all did, but I had so many questions. It was so tough to see him like, heading through the jungle, you know, with the Sony, with the little earphones up. But my question is this, were we to believe that that Sony Walkman was attached to like a satellite signal? This is what I want to know. This is what I want to know. Or was he just wearing them to listen back to some of the old sound?
Starting point is 00:14:28 Or is he listening to music? That's a question for you. Or is he like cruising through the jungle listening to like some tunes? I think it's definitely not hooked up to a satellite. I think he's listening to Led Zeppelin. He's listening to like Hair of the Dog, you know, or whatever it is. Hair of the Dog? Isn't that like, that song, right? It's Hair of the Dog, you know, or whatever it is. Hair of the Dog? Isn't that like, that song, right?
Starting point is 00:14:46 It's Hair of the Dog is a band, right? Hair of the Dog the band. Like, I love this. Now you're messing with a son of a bitch. Now you're messing with a son of a bitch. Right, that's one of their songs. Whoa, I don't know this at all. This is great.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I gotta see if I. Somebody out here was singing along. Yeah, like, let's one of their songs. Whoa, I don't know this at all. This is great. I gotta see if I... Somebody out here was singing along. Yeah, like, let's see, like that. This is a big Hair of the Dog crowd? Oh, it's Nazareth? Oh, Nazareth. Hair of the Dog is the song, perhaps? Okay, all right, that was close, all right.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Oh, okay, got it, got it, thank you. Now do you get it? Now I get it. I still don't know this song, but yes. Now you're messing with a silver bitch. I would have loved it if we heard that leeching out of his earphones. But what is he listening to? No, I think that he is listening to that frequency to see if he gets more clues from it.
Starting point is 00:15:41 From the Walkman? How? No, no, he recorded it. So he's just listening to an old recording? But Paul, the last time... It was only 42 seconds long. Yeah. And keep in mind this, the last time he was able to get tuned into that frequency, he had to have like a pressure cooker hooked up to a dry ice machine in order to get it to work.
Starting point is 00:16:06 No, no, no, no, I'm not saying he's getting the frequency. He's not like listening to frequencies. Like he recorded it. It's like he made a mix tape. Oh, he's listening to his greatest hits? Yeah, like all I wanna say is this. I'm just happy that he is wearing that Walkman because if he's wearing the Walkman
Starting point is 00:16:22 means he's wearing pants. And this movie, he's not often wearing pants. This, him being like this. He is, he is pant, like he is naked multiple times in this movie. It's right in here that when it's pulled out that I was like, what the what? Yeah, it's right. I don't want to see this.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I don't want to, I don't want to see this. We are introduced, we are introduced to Terry Polo in this film. I can't tell if it was post shower or post fuck because they're drenched in a way that makes you go, either way works. Or, well, gosh, that's interesting. I just thought we were being told so many times
Starting point is 00:17:09 in this movie, everybody's sweating in every scene, by the way, so I didn't know if they were just sweating. Well, and I think the movie, so one thing we haven't said, which is the macro theme of this movie is climate change. This is, without a doubt, they are sweating and sweat is a part of it because the aliens like it hot. They don't like the cold and so they're heating up the world and everything's hot and the weather people keep being like,
Starting point is 00:17:36 it's hotter than normal. And so I feel like they're constantly just letting us know everybody's hot. They're sweating. They're focused on his sweat when he's in the underground lair. Yeah, and Irene Green, what was her name? The other woman, the other scientist is also-
Starting point is 00:17:52 Olana Green. Olana Green is also like, her little tail is always dripping. Yeah, she's got that wet tail. She always has a wet tail. And I love that she wanted to like, take him, take Zayn back to her room. Here are the- Fuck him, I was like, wow.
Starting point is 00:18:11 You know what was two things that were hard for me to believe in this movie? What's that? One, Charlie Sheen is some sort of expert scientist. Two, Charlie Sheen turns down sex when offered. Took me right out of the movie. I loved that scene. I love that scene outside the door.
Starting point is 00:18:33 It was so weird. It was so strange. And there's also the allure of the scorpion maybe biting her at any moment. Yeah, she's like trying to find the... Those scorpions were huge. Also, how did all the scorpions get on the blades of the ceiling fan?
Starting point is 00:18:49 How did they get, I'm going to say, seven to nine large scorpions on the blades of a rotating ceiling fan that are then being chucked around the room, and Lindsey Krause is like, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do, does everything. She bathes, she washes up, she goes to bed. It's not until she's tucked in in the dark that one of them like gets her on the toe. Oh, and we are watching that, those toes. Imagine my fascination. I'm in the movie theater,
Starting point is 00:19:20 wow, look at this. We're really getting the exciting action of feet under sheets. You also get his toes, you also get Charlie Sheen's toes when he inexplicably, why does he think the only answer I have when he's in the layer and they're now after him is he's like, well, I guess I better step onto that thing that rearranges the molecular chemistry of my body. See, I think I missed something here.
Starting point is 00:19:47 I thought that the only thing he had seen was an alien turn into a human on it. Yes! Okay, so wouldn't he assume that he would turn into an alien? No, I think that... Why does he think... Or be evaporated? No, I think he's like, oh, got it. That's like a flesh thing.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Now, when Charlie Sheen says that, I think he's like, oh, got it. That's like a flesh thing. Like, because like. Now when Charlie Sheen says that, I think something way different. Yeah. That's like a flesh thing. Charlie Sheen's been in Hollywood. He's gone to a lot of parties that have this kind of thing. He steps on it with like no hesitation, no like, huh, should I?
Starting point is 00:20:23 There's just, he gets on it, and I guess what that thing does is just goop ya, like it goops ya. But here's the thing, okay, so Ron Silva, he's got a twin in this, in the alien lair, right? Why don't they have more bodies? Come again? Like, why don't they have like just more models? I
Starting point is 00:20:49 Like the same guy it's like that same guy with the curly hair Why is that do we think my assumption is they only have the like the makeup of so many the only the only the people They've replaced in the world. Oh, and so they can keep So they only replace three people and they've gotten pretty far with this. No, there's a bunch of people. Oh, I get it. But they're reusing some models. But we've never seen them. Are those, I guess my question is,
Starting point is 00:21:13 are those models from actual human people? Well, Ron Silver definitely is a human person, right? No, I don't think so. No, I think Ron Silver is never once a human, I think he was. I'm saying when he first, yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, yeah, when he first hired him. But I think at some point he was swapped out
Starting point is 00:21:33 pre-movie star. Oh yeah, 100%. Well, okay, so he was swapped out, like an alien came and took over his body, or is his body somewhere in the dump at the alien lair and they just made a mold out of it? That's what I think.
Starting point is 00:21:48 I think he's dead, but they're using his, yes, his look or whatever. But then the stranger thing is that when he goes to Mexico and is in that scenario, the Ron Silver in that world has a mustache. I think that was- I was like, hang on. We can't just start chucking mustaches on guys.
Starting point is 00:22:08 I think why that happened was at a certain point they go, this is confusing for the audience because Ron Silver could have traveled there, but they need to make you go, no, no, no, it's not the same one. It's slightly different. You know what's interesting about this movie, and I'm only now realizing it, is so many
Starting point is 00:22:28 of my problems are in a good way, this movie lacks any scenes that cogently give you exposition for what is happening in the movie, what each of the people want or don't want. There's no explainers ever. To me, it's like, it's as if Indiana Jones had never had like a partner, so it all could be in his own head. Like, cause occasionally it's like, okay, the beginning of Raiders, these guys come and go, hey look, the Ark of the Covenant, it's got this power,
Starting point is 00:22:58 you go into this room, this thing happens. And Indiana Jones goes out and he meets somebody else and they go, hey buddy, when you're here, this happens. And this, he never tells anyone his plan, buddy, when you're here, this happens. And this, he never tells anyone his plan. It's all in his head. The entire. Well also Charlie Sheen doesn't appear atypically for a person in this scenario. The outside, the person who's been bounced out and now knows the truth and is trying to like
Starting point is 00:23:20 stay ahead of it or whatever, get in front of it. He seems to not know what's going on. He's too stupid in fact, I believe. Like he's not the smart person who's figured something out and is now trying to get in front of it. He is, he knows something and is now just running around trying to gather facts. Well, and that's what's so interesting about the movie
Starting point is 00:23:39 and the fact that they kill off Richard Schiff so early because that character usually was smart and usually provides the information and can check in and say now we know this. Richard Schiff fucked up immediately. He's like don't tell them about the backup. Don't tell them about the backup. Anything else? There's a backup. But then we lose Richard Schiff and we gain Kiki, the little kid who lives next door. What are we doing now? And then we have Lindsey Krause for a second.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Barely. We have barely Lindsey Krause. But, but I mean, they keep trying to partner him up, but none of it works because at the end of the day, he simply doesn't know what's going on. Here's my question for the aliens. I understand that they're trying to teach us a lesson by speeding up our demise, like, great, it's working, you're doing it. But, but, I'm like, they could have killed him, Zane, multiple times.
Starting point is 00:24:39 Easily. They tried. Why, why actually, but Paul, I mean, they're tracking, but they're tracking Calvin and all of these other people. The bathtub, if you want to kill someone, what an elaborate, what a long road to travel. What a mouse, the game of mouse trap level nonsense. Why on earth would you think if I filled one tub
Starting point is 00:25:03 of the floor above structurally, it would necess- ness- it would fall through the floor when he's in the tub. In order for this to work, the guy has to know he's in the tub. By the way, everyone is bathing at the same time because when it falls to the next floor, the woman below him is in the tub too. She jumps in the sink. And also, men are so rarely in tubs. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:28 And he's in the tub. This scene goes on for so long. He's in the tub. I didn't like any of this. It's also, I don't need it. Charlie, bigger reaction. Tubbs are falling through the floor. Hide, hide.
Starting point is 00:25:48 It's so loud. You look, a big hole. Big hole. The hole is giant. I mean, that's just from... Now what did she do? She jumped out into the sink. Into the sink.
Starting point is 00:26:01 I understood that. What's funny about that is, yes, obviously, she jumped out into the sink, but we don't see that, so it looks like she's just taking a bath in the sink. Which is also very funny. Why is this bathtub so small? This is such a convoluted way to try and kill someone when that man could have just walked right in and been like, boom, boom, boom.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Yeah, by the way, the aliens in this movie do have guns. Yes, they do. But so why are they releasing like scorpions on fans and hoping for the best? Because we all know the Mexican police department do not leave any stone unturned. If there is a murder, they're going to find their suspect. By the way, the Mexican police department, the way they treated that Lindsey Krause's dead body was so unacceptable. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:47 They just roll her up in a truck and pull her out of the back like she's a couple of bags of groceries. So horrible. She's like a 12 pack of Gatorade. Come on, Lindsey Krause. I was so confused also. They established, you know, he is a satellite repair man or whatever he's doing.
Starting point is 00:27:07 He's selling direct TV door to door. When he's going there, at one point, you know, in the montage, he speaks very fluent Spanish. And then when he goes to Mexico, he's like, have you ever seen any big, big satellites? Big A, big A satellites, big, grande. I was like, dude, you spoke satellites, big, grande. I was like, dude, you spoke fluently 15 minutes ago
Starting point is 00:27:29 and you're like, you can't say big. Big. Big. Big, big. But that's what I mean. He's not, he's too dumb. He's too dumb to follow as the leader. He does not seem to have any awareness of what's going on.
Starting point is 00:27:46 The dumbest move that he does, and it's my favorite move in the entire movie, and I don't have this clip so we can't play it, but when he's in the elevator dressed as the human-skinned version of himself, he's undercover, and then the other alien gets in, the alien's like, and he's like, and he just kind of like grimaces like, eh, it's a living, you know, and then.
Starting point is 00:28:09 It's a living? You think he said, eh, it's a living. That's the look he gives him though, which is like, what are you gonna do about it? Like he does like a, you know, he's giving a lot of, I'm not, I'm with Scooby. It's like, he does like this, mm, mm, mm. You know, he's given a lot of, I'm not, I'm a stupid guy. It's like, he does like this, like, the fact that he tries to do anything there is so funny.
Starting point is 00:28:31 And he's like, let me, let me whisper in your ear here. You know, and then he whispers in the ear and then kills him. But like, that plan was not gonna work. No, also, the guy, it's the guy, it's the taxi cab driver who picked him up and delivered him to his hotel. Whoa, no, no.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Is it, or is it a model? He's one of the models. Oh, no, I know. I'm saying, those's the taxi cab driver who picked him up and delivered him to his hotel. No, no, no. Is it? Or is it a mold? He's one of the models. Oh, no, I know. I'm saying those are the same person. Oh, they're the same mold. Same person. I think he's the same model.
Starting point is 00:28:52 I don't think he's... Okay, okay, okay. You're saying the first time around it's a human and the second time around it's a mold. No, we're saying they're both aliens. Oh, okay. We're saying they're both aliens. We're just saying they're two different molds. I understand.
Starting point is 00:29:01 It was another guy got molded. He's like, oh, that's our taxi driver guy. He does that. But maybe to your point, he is in the same wardrobe. And it does seem like they have to get clothes on at one point. They come out naked of that machine, right? Because Charlie Sheen's in the same outfit. Well, Charlie Sheen has to take his clothes off in order to be transformed.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Once again, getting nude in the movie. Charlie Sheen has no problem going belly up naked. Oh, he's like, he can't wait to get that dick out. I'll take my pants off too, I don't care. I just feel like why would I be wearing clothes when I go into this thing? It won't matter, it's gonna change you underneath your clothes.
Starting point is 00:29:36 It really made me laugh that when he is, before he goes into the mold and turns into that, you know, puts that skin suit on, he's running around that place and he does get caught. And then the picture they put up of him, cause when he's running around that place, he has his glasses on, his scientist glasses. But when they put the picture up of him,
Starting point is 00:29:54 it's just a different, it's just like a still shot that they picked up somewhere. By the way, you said that he's wearing his scientist glasses. He wears so many fucking weird glasses. So many. Weird shades. I counted many fucking weird glasses. So many. Weird shades. I counted four pair of glasses. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Four different pair. They're all terrible choices. They're all round. Yeah, terrible choices. Oh no, some of them look like he's like an alpinist. Like he's trying to climb a frozen mountain with like guards over us so that light can't permeate the sky. He has the same taste in glasses that my 10 year old has.
Starting point is 00:30:27 He's like, I want those. Well, when he gets fired and he starts building the at home version of his lab or whatever it was, I was like, oh, is this gonna be like, pump up the volume, but for this? Like, is he gonna be like a pirate radio scientist guy? Yeah. And for ten minutes he kind of was.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Well then he befriends that kid and I'm like, oh wait, is this a kid's movie? Like, where is this gonna be the two of them? And that doesn't pay off either. Well they, we disappear because for 45 plus minutes we just leave small town America where the most of the movie takes place and we go to Mexico for this side adventure. It's more than 45 minutes. I couldn't believe how much of the movie was set not with any of the characters we'd invested
Starting point is 00:31:13 in in the first 20 minutes. But then also when he goes to Mexico and he gets involved in stuff, he has the worst instincts of any adventurer imaginable. He's in that alien spaceship and it's like clearly an alien device like well, fucking touch this. Like, oh, maybe it's like a record player. Like he was so cocky like he knew but he doesn't seem to know anything more than radio signals because even his knowledge of aliens isn't like I've always believed in this. Aliens have been trying to do this. Nope.
Starting point is 00:31:43 He just is listening for radio signals. And he produces the tape with this one example of this spike and everything, but never does he really get more... Not until he really finds the underground world and sees aliens themselves, does he get any more information much. You know what I mean? Like he's also, he's only able to replicate the same thing. He hears this sound for a few seconds and that's that. And then, and why are they making that sound? Why indeed?
Starting point is 00:32:12 Are they trying to get, are they trying to get people to come to, is it, it's a signal? I mean, they seem like they're pretty much set up on earth. No problem. They seem like they got a thriving infrastructure. I think the movie wants us to believe that that signal is information that our aliens, the Ron Silvers, the Kikis of the world need to hear. By the way, when you say it, I keep on thinking of Kiki Palmer.
Starting point is 00:32:38 One of my favorite lines, by the way, was when Kiki explained that his grandmother wasn't going to worry about him at night because she takes cough medicine. And I was like, she is... After 10, she passes out from cough medicine. I was like, she's too real for that. And I understand her. But... She's just...
Starting point is 00:32:55 I deeply understand that woman. But yeah, I don't know what word they're getting over here because it seems like, honestly, and from the aliens point of view, everything's going according to plan. Yeah, it's working. Yeah, like don't give us any more feedback. Because ultimately, but you see, I think Ron Silva makes a big mistake
Starting point is 00:33:16 because they go, hey, we got this radio transmission, which is just nothing, right? So he's like, I'm burying it. OK, well, even if you go, OK, great. He could have gone wide with it. It didn't mean anything. It had no information. But that, I think, looking back now,
Starting point is 00:33:34 and I have this point of view now that I've seen the whole thing. Oh, wow. It's like six cents for you. That is a little bit. That is classic alien psychology, which is like, they don't have the capacity to. That's classic, that's C-A-P.
Starting point is 00:33:48 That's cap, that's cap all the way. Of course he should have just been like, you know, underplayed it and not made it, or been like, yeah, we're gonna investigate it. But the aliens don't know how to behave. They're studying us. Oh, okay, well we have a theory that we know somebody who is also studying us.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Yeah. We have a very close person in our life who we actually, this isn't a joke, we do believe it's an alien. Who's here in this lifetime to observe us. Now, do you feel as though, because of questions they ask, or periods or things that they are around for, or curious about, or because every once in a while,
Starting point is 00:34:34 when you're together, they release a metal ball into the air that puzzle boxes itself open and creates a indoor tornado? I also metal ball. I don't know what it was so interesting. Cause the design of it, it almost looked like they were hierarchical. It almost looked like it was an ancient. Yes. It's a disappearing ball. I mean, is that what it does?
Starting point is 00:35:00 Yes. It almost looked like something that could have maybe given us information about the aliens What they're up to can't don't have time. We only got two hours to get out Let me ask this about the aliens because I It doesn't seem like they're coming to live here, right or that they're really worried about us exploring other Universes or trying to fuck with them in any sense. We are so far from having that capacity. It just seems like they've gotten this thing up their ass where they're like, they just don't like us. They want to, well, no, they want to un-McDLT us,
Starting point is 00:35:38 right? Or they want to make like, you know, they want to un-McDLT us? I don't understand any of this. All right, so the Earth is like a McDLT. Which is what? The hot side hot, the cool side cool, right? And they got the hot and the cool. And they're like, well, let's merge them together. And then they can have more of a plan.
Starting point is 00:36:00 They want un-like, we're keeping it separate. And they're like, let's push it together. So we want to keep them separated and they are trying to make the LTS deals but their assumption is that we will eventually burn ourselves and speeding it up but why I think they want a hotter planet because they thrive in the heat don't think yeah they want another plan think they want a hotter planet because they thrive in the heat, don't they? Yeah, they want another planet. But they don't live here. They want, but they want to move here.
Starting point is 00:36:27 I think they- Why are they going to move here? Retirement, dude. Beach from property! I knew- I didn't get that. Okay, so they want to be here just because it's going to be warm? Yeah, they want another planet.
Starting point is 00:36:39 What's wrong with theirs? They're expanding. We never find out, do we? I don't think so. They have a high birth rate. That's the thing is, I don't think so. They have a high birth rate. That's the thing is, I don't think we ever find out anyone's plan. I don't think we ever get insight into anybody's understanding of the facts of what's going
Starting point is 00:36:54 on. Everybody appears to be chasing just whatever's in front of them in that very moment. It to me feels like a story that you would tell that wouldn't be a movie. It's like, oh yeah, and then it was chasing the jungle, and then the satellite fell. Well, what happened? I don't know. What is it for?
Starting point is 00:37:11 What is it? What is that station? I don't know, I don't know. They were chasing me. I didn't have the thing. What's the station in Mexico that he's inside? What are they doing in there? What's going on?
Starting point is 00:37:19 We never find out what it's about, do we? No. It just seems like a place for them to connect but well I think in terms of the technology well there right? Okay, so that's thank you You got it June you passed the test so that so that's their plan So that's their plan and I guess there's some there's some line about we're doing it in third world countries because because why because in third world countries because, because why? Because regulations, nobody's-
Starting point is 00:38:05 It's easier. It's looser restrictions and so forth, I think. Not anymore. What do you mean? He's saying they might as well build it here. Now- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, at the very beginning, they drop out of the Paris Accords.
Starting point is 00:38:23 There was a, the reason you said, you you know you're looking back on it and you realize like why they're aliens and now I'm also realizing something too. Ron Silver made a very big mistake when when Charlie Sheen interrupts that presentation he goes this young man is disturbed Charlie Sheen 80 young man. You he goes, this young man is disturbed. Charlie Sheen ain't a young man. No one would ever refer to Charlie Sheen, unless you're like hundreds of years old. You're like, oh, that young man is clearly, Charlie Sheen, there's nothing about him.
Starting point is 00:38:56 You were, the first thing would be like, well, young. Young guy, that's a young guy right there. Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen. Let me ask you this. I think it would have been very interesting. Charlie Sheen, he's in the base in Mexico, and they're after him, and so he steps into the thing nude and it transforms his body
Starting point is 00:39:16 with a skin suit over his skin, blah blah blah. Why not just stay as that for the rest of the movie? He was leaking. Oh, I know he was leaking. It does, but like, why? Why have him do it if he only is that character for four minutes? Well again, it's like the technology
Starting point is 00:39:32 that we don't understand. It's like, so what? So it doesn't stick on humans? This was pointless. Yeah, like you're right. It's like it would have been- I think it doesn't stick on non-aliens. I guess so.
Starting point is 00:39:43 I guess. But then why go through it? I guess it allows him to escape because they find his face next to the waterfall. Now the big question for me is how did he escape? Mexican rodeo. No, I got that. How did he escape the indoor?
Starting point is 00:40:02 Is that where those yellow glasses came from? I'm assuming. Okay, great. And I wish there was just a sequel about that trip. What was that? By the way, you're in luck, there is a sequel. Whoa, what? Arrival 2.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Doesn't start anybody from this movie. Oh, okay. It was a direct to video sequel where they reveal in the opening scene that Charlie Sheen's character had just died of a heart attack What if they say that Zane was found dead of a heart attack in an Inuit community After his broadcast to the world about the alien invasion. They wrote it off as a hoax and now Patrick Muldoon Charlie Sheen's brother,
Starting point is 00:40:45 sorry, half brother, is avenging his death. And this is the logline. A computer hacker learns of the plot of the backwards need aliens. What? That's what we call, that's what we're calling them? The backward needs aliens need to take over the earth using their shape-shifting talents. This is ridiculous. I have to say, the one moment that really got me, got me good was Kiki's reveal.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Yeah. And I want to, I want to shout out the actor who played Kiki because I was watching it, our son was in the room for that final sequence. And I said, get ready, she's an alien. Because he walked in when she had picked up the car phone and he's like, what do you mean? Isn't that his wife?
Starting point is 00:41:34 I said, she's an alien. You watch, you watch. That woman's an alien. We watch, we watch. And I said, what's she going to look like? I said, she's going to look like an alien. And it's about to happen. And boy were we surprised
Starting point is 00:41:50 when Kiki wouldn't press the red button. And I thought that that actor's performance was wonderful because I did think, I don't know, maybe everybody read it way sooner than I did, but I was like, oh, he's just panicking. He is a kid. We're remembering, oh, he's just panicking. He is a kid. We're remembering Kiki's just a kid. And then when Kiki turned out to be an alien, wow.
Starting point is 00:42:12 But when Kiki flips his knees backwards and runs off. Runs into the desert sun. Wow. But then again, the movie, this is why you gotta watch this movie two, three times because there are these moments when when Kiki when Kiki sees the exterminator and they just look at each other You're like, oh, that's a creepy ass moment
Starting point is 00:42:33 Like Kiki's afraid and then you look back and you're like, oh they're they're in coats and the Kiki should have been and then he would have been like I Mean, how many people do we think but why couldn't Kiki have done it? Done what? Anything. Oh, oh, yes. Agreed. Oh, you mean because Kiki had multiple opportunities
Starting point is 00:42:52 to kill him. Kiki had multiple opportunities. Kiki, when he jumped in that truck at him and then... Huh! Well, they are always letting Charlie Sheen get away. Well, I do think there is a possibility that Kiki was turned. No.
Starting point is 00:43:06 To the... Wait, what do you mean? That Kiki was Kiki until... Oh, oh, oh. Until he went to Mexico. I see. And then the landscapers got in there. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:43:18 No, no, no, because the moment that we see that's the craziest. If Kiki... I believe Kiki is an alien when he jumps into the car with them, right? A thousand percent. Then why did he leave a note for grandma? Grandma, be back. Like he's really keeping up this story. Like Kiki could have just disappeared.
Starting point is 00:43:36 I mean, is he running back home? I'm sad for that grandma. Yeah, does Kiki just go back home and? I don't know, because the thing is, we don't know what happens to their real bodies if What's-his-face is Gordy is out there somewhere. Yeah, yes. In some sort of a pod.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Yes, if there's a ship full of pods, secret invasion style. Yeah. Terrible show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess, because at the end of the movie,
Starting point is 00:44:01 what we uncover is that there's this gigantic plot and these aliens are going to take over the planet and blah, blah, blah. And the only, our only hope is if Charlie Sheen can wrestle a mini DV cassette tape out of actor activist Ron Silver's jacket pocket. Like this, it's so, it's so small. Why was he carrying it around? Mail that to the mail it. Ron Silver's jacket pocket. Like this, it's so small. Why was he carrying it around?
Starting point is 00:44:26 Mail that to the mail it. The stakes are so small for such a big thing that I was like, and then all that he does is successfully broadcast that bit of conversation and that's that. And never even a shock look of anyone watching that news. Nope. Nope, not, we don't know how.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Nobody is revealed to be an alien on TV Nobody no great gotcha. No great nothing. I don't know. Then all we know is he died in Being with a bunch of Native Americans, he just died at their in their compound suspiciously Which makes me believe the Native Americans aren't in a too. All right, so let's go out to the crowd. Let's find out what you all think. All right, great, we already have a hand up here. All right, here we go. All right, what's your name, what's your question?
Starting point is 00:45:12 Nick, so the aliens, when they're in human form, do not sweat, and that's why there's a fan theory, at least on IMDB trivia, that his girlfriend is an alien also, because she never sweats. Wow. They show her never sweating. They show everyone else sweating. I thought that in that, in that like post-coital scene
Starting point is 00:45:33 that they were both sweaty. That was wet. Oh, from the shower? Yeah. How do you know? OK, hey, what's your question? So my question is going back to Kiki because I do believe also that Kiki was turned and going back to the note that you were mentioning, if we believe that the girlfriend didn't actually inform these people, the alien said they're going to this satellite. Is it possible that note that he left on for Grandma
Starting point is 00:46:08 was actually a note to the other alien saying, we're heading to this satellite area. Wow. So Grandma's an alien too? Oh. Maybe there's no Grandma, just an alien. Maybe it's another alien. Like, imagine a world in which it was revealed at the end of the movie that everybody but Charlie Sheen
Starting point is 00:46:23 was an alien. Wouldn't that have been great? Like, movie that everybody but Charlie Sheen was an alien? Wouldn't that have been great? Like, I don't think Charlie Sheen, nor us, the audience, ever really learned the plot of the movie. Yeah. All right, this is our friend who read Jill Ripps the other night. David, right?
Starting point is 00:46:42 All right, so David, what's your question? Well, I have an alternative theory for Kiki. I think he was an alien all along because when he hurt his ankle, Charlie Sheen gives him an ice pack and he says, I don't like that, that's cold. Oh. Wow, you guys are not messing around.
Starting point is 00:47:01 All right, you're hard to get to, but I... That's so interesting because if he's an alien the whole time... Then he's just... They tasked him to keep an eye on Charlie Sheen, I assume. But again, why do the aliens... Why not just kill him? ...make it so hard, yeah, for themselves? Why not just kill him? They don't need... They're not like, he's so close to figuring
Starting point is 00:47:19 something we need out, so let's let him keep going. No. They could just kill him at any point. He seems to be a person that if he wound up dead, no one would ask a single question. No, he's an unsympathetic human being. Oh, just kidding. Yep, easy, easy kill. What's your question? Your name or question?
Starting point is 00:47:38 My name is Dave. Question is from the very beginning of this movie, the title is The Arrival, but they never arrive. They're already there, so. Now this is interesting. Now get ready for this, that's a great question. The title of this movie before it was released was Shockwave. Oh.
Starting point is 00:47:58 But that also doesn't make any sense. You all agreed to it, like yeah, well that's better. It doesn't, there's no Shockwave. There's no arrival guys fucked up It should have been like heat wave it could have been you know skin suits Yeah, kiki's big adventure. They're already here, okay. Well. He does bring some stuff kiki's delivery service All right. Yes, yes. Your name, your question. My name's Andy. Do we think that the scorpions might have actually been aliens?
Starting point is 00:48:30 Because they were very well organized. I was going to say the same thing. Maybe that's how they first started on the planet instead of having a human flesh machine. I would have loved it if they were. I would have loved it if there was specificity to anything. If I understood the alien's plan, the alien's look, the alien's ethos, the alien's weapons. I wish they had more, I wish they were letting me in more. I felt on the outside the whole time,
Starting point is 00:48:58 just like Charlie Sheen. The one thing I really didn't like about the aliens was their two skin flaps in the back of their head They're like bunny ears that are down that thing kind of like heat them up a little they're like Jar Jar Binks ears or something Like that one of the things I loved I just want to mention it before second opinion songs is in the beginning Don't spoil the episode The beginning scene with Schiff and the two of them were doing real intense rolling office chair acting.
Starting point is 00:49:32 And I realized as I was watching it, I was like, I love this, I love this. It always works when people are rolling in and rolling out. They've got great banter, it's got great banter. Yeah, rolling back to this computer, and then we're rolling here, and then sometimes we're cross-rolling. And it's always wonderful.
Starting point is 00:49:53 I mean, look, you're right. We lost Richard Schiff. I feel like Charlie Sheen might have wanted to just go solo. Like, just be like, you know what? I don't need any help. What's it? I wouldn't be surprised. I was fine with Richard Schiff being left back.
Starting point is 00:50:07 I just thought, and then coming back at the end, but losing him altogether. Yeah. What would have been the best reveal? If he comes back and is an alien. Fuck yeah. What would have been great is we see him get taken away. And yes, later in the movie after Mexico, he's back.
Starting point is 00:50:22 And he's like, oh, what happened to you? Oh, I went to... That's a bad thing. And then you realize it's not Kiki, it's Richard Schiff. Let me call up David Toey, hold on. Yeah, let's, we can do this. Get him on the line. Can you go shoot more? Yeah, he said he can.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Nice. Wonderful. Sheen figures out that if he hits the bad guys with liquid nitrogen, they freeze. Yeah. And you can like smash them basically, right? Yeah, but I think that that's also for everyone. Oh, yeah? Yeah. You don't think that's for everyone?
Starting point is 00:50:48 Well, how come it doesn't affect him or Terry Polo? Because they're not getting blasted with it. I think you could get. Do we have any liquid nitrogen experts? Yeah. Can you do it? What do you know? What do you know about liquid nitrogen?
Starting point is 00:51:03 I worked in research labs, and yeah, liquid nitrogen will fuck you up. It'll burn you really bad with just a tiny drop. Anyone or aliens? If you're an alien or if you're just a human. We used to do this bit at the show. It used to be Chad Carter used to do it because he had access to liquid nitrogen. And he would be like a Mr. Science guy. He's like, oh yeah, you can put anything in here. Put a rose in here. You drop a rose. Break it. Then he'd be like, oh, you can put this in there, break it. And then he's talking and he accidentally puts his hand in there and then he had a whole rig and then he would slam his hand and his hand would explode. And that's how I always know that liquid nitrogen, yeah, it will fuck you up bad. So yeah, they shoot them and then
Starting point is 00:51:40 they're kind of like icicles because when he does chop his hand off, I'm like, oh god. But I was like, now they're gonna know to get the hot aliens with extreme cold. Isn't that smart? Nope. They don't do it. They're gonna McDLT it again.
Starting point is 00:51:57 Like that's the only thing. You mean they're gonna un-McDLT it. Right, because they want a McDLT. Well, I guess the idea is that we are a McDLT planet. Is McDonald's sponsoring this episode? Don't blow it. Does the McDLT honestly? Don't blow it. Don't blow it.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Does McDLT still exist? No. I think it could come back. So wait, is there no bacon in a McDLT? All right, well, Jason, hold on one second. I mean, because what's the D? What's the D in a McDLT? Donald's.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Donald's? So it's a Donald's lettuce and tomato? I'm so sorry. I know this is a bacon lettuce and tomato, and you're telling me with assuredness that it's a Donald's lettuce and tomato? Hold the Donald's for mine. Look, this is a Jason Alexander commercial for McDLT.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Okay, with his hair system? You say you're getting tired of lettuce and tomato hamburgers in this town that don't quite make it? Yeah! You say that just once you'd like your hamburger hot and your lettuce and tomato cool and crisp, all at the same time
Starting point is 00:53:11 Well, I say you got I'm talking McDonald's new lettuce and tomato hamburger the McDLT I'm talking quarter pound of beef on the hot hot side And the hot stays hot The new McDLT Hot hot Crispy lettuce and tomato on the cool cool side And the cool stays cool The new McDLT Cool crisp The beef stays hot The cool cool side and the cool stays cool DLT cool crisp the beach stays hot the cool stays crisp put it together You can't resist
Starting point is 00:53:31 The coolest hell in Wow Wow. Whoa! It keeps going! What? Wow, that's incredible. And I'm just looking at the description below and that's written by Steven Sondheim? Wait, when was this? When did this exist? When was the last time a McDLT was offered? I mean, probably before Jason Alexander was on Seinfeld, we know that.
Starting point is 00:54:13 So all a McDLT is is the burger in different compartments. Yes, a lot of styrofoam. Here's the thing. And there's no. Let me tell you, so I was asked to collaborate with a restaurateur in New York, and he said he makes a in New York, and he said he makes a really great burger, and he said, what are we gonna do?
Starting point is 00:54:28 I said, I wanna bring back the McDLT. And this is a couple years ago, and he's like, wait, I don't know what that is. And I said, hot side hot, cold side cold, you're gonna deliver this. And he pushed it together, and he's like, that's a genius idea. People went fucking nuts for it. Because of course, you don't want to get the tomato, you want a crisp tomato. You do, but the problem is-
Starting point is 00:54:50 Wait a minute, a crisp tomato? Or I mean, you want like, you want the cold, you know- You don't want it to be hot, but the problem I have with the McDLT is the bun on the hot side is gonna be such a different temperature than the bun on the cold side, and I don't like that. All right, how about this? Don't eat this garbage!
Starting point is 00:55:12 No, that's not an option. The lettuce and tomatoes stay cool. What is this, the Doughboys? Are we doing a Doughboys episode right now? Five forks? All right, now obviously some people have a different opinion about this movie and that is why it's always time for us to give thanks to them and give a little bit of a spotlight
Starting point is 00:55:36 in something we like to call Second Opinion. Yeah. Yeah. You're. Okay, I'm Stuart, this is my sister. Hi, I'm Stuart. This is my sister. Hi, I'm Sasha. Yeah! So, so, so, so, so, second opinions.
Starting point is 00:55:54 So, so, so, so, second opinions. These are second opinions that were called from Amazon. So, so, so, so, second opinions. So, so,. Second opinion, second opinion, second opinion, five stars. Oh, amazing. Give it up. Great job. Thank you so much. You can head back to your seat.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Incredible duo. Give it up. Great job. Great job. The average review of this movie is 4.5 out of five stars. Out of 400 total reviews, 72% are five star. Feolage, back in 2011 writes, there is a sequel called Arrival 2 for this film and while it is good, the first film, The Arrival, is outstanding. And Sheen plays his role incredibly well despite his recent difficulties.
Starting point is 00:56:56 He is a stellar actor and this film is a wonderful example of his talent and his ability to make a real, somewhat hard-to-believe scenario. I watched it several times, and the entire cast, such as the little alien boy, are very convincing. Another point, the arrival came up with global warming just a few years before Al Gore brought it to the concern. So if Al Gore hasn't seen this movie, he should. Gillie Mann writes, now we all know that these newscasters with the funny looking legs are
Starting point is 00:57:51 indeed aliens. Wait, who? The legs tell it all. Five stars. What legs? What newscasters? You know, these newscasters with the funny looking legs. What, like Mary Hart? This is ever in 2003. The arrival is
Starting point is 00:58:10 simply the best after being a sci-fi fan for many decades. By the way this is all in caps so it'd be like this. After being a sci-fi fan for many decades and seeing many sci-fi films. This one, The Arrival, the first one with Charlie Sheen, not the tag along, Arrival 2, which is okay. The Arrival is far one of the best I've ever viewed. The studio's recent attempts like Mission to Mars and the Red Planet are bad, bad attempts. If you viewed these, they should at least make them understandable and viewable with a decent plot, although Pitch Black is pretty good. If you are a sci-fi fan and don't have the original 1996 version of The Arrival, you don't know what you're missing, Ad Astra.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Five stars. Don't know what Ad Astra meant at the end, there it goes. And that is, those are the five star opinions of The Arrival. I mean, I disagree. I mean, to say that this is like the best science fiction movie ever is nuts. Yeah, I would say that. One little piece of science, the FM frequency radio waves would not be used for interstellar communication
Starting point is 00:59:39 because radio waves bounce off the ionosphere back to Earth. None of them make it out to space. But, but maybe he was hearing interplanetary communication? Yeah, maybe they're talking to each other. And they also say the black hole generator sucks up everything in Zane's attic, and it leaves the rest of the house intact with only a damaged electrical socket. It basically cleans up.
Starting point is 00:59:59 Yes. Says, but when the same device is used in the satellite array, it destroys the entire building. So maybe it's just a setting. They blame the- Hey, where's the satellite array? What did you set the ball to?
Starting point is 01:00:16 They put it to max power. Also, sometimes the ball looked like small, and sometimes the ball looked like a basketball. It also was inconsistent size-wise. I did find it so satisfying to see his back house all cleaned up by the ball. I wanted it back there. Yeah. I wish it had sell that ball.
Starting point is 01:00:36 Imagine if we all had balls instead of Roombas running around, you know? Great. I do like when taglines are long. And this is the tagline for this movie. For centuries, we've been watching the skies when we should have been watching our backs. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Love it. That's it. Sorry. Not as long as I thought, but it's a long, it's not like the arrival. They're here and they're mad. That's like It's not it's it's ultimately I enjoyed watching it. It's not a ton of fun I don't want it to be yeah let in more on everybody's experience. I felt like the movie was keeping
Starting point is 01:01:19 Really keeping Charlie Sheen in the dark But also keeping the audience in the dark so much so that it wasn't as fun to have the, there were so few discoveries and pieces of knowledge given that I felt like, oh, why am I trapped on the outside looking in? Well, when the first, that older man in Mexico, when his bones started cracking and then he jumped up onto the roof,
Starting point is 01:01:43 and then he also sort of looked down like. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, this guy's. Gotcha. Yeah, it was so funny. Give me more of this. And I was like, oh wow, we're in for a ride. And also, that guy, that scene comes at the very end
Starting point is 01:01:57 of that guy trying to kill Charlie Sheen in the bathtub, where Charlie Sheen is now just wearing pants and no shirt and keeps running in and out of a Mexican funeral. What's the people carrying flowers? It's the day of the dead. Sorry, he's running around like chaos agent and then I'm like, he's running around like the what's this guy from the MMA fighter in the beginning of Roadhouse when he's Connor McGregor.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Yeah, when he walks around buttoning in the middle street, I'm like, best entrance of all time in any movie. But yeah, he's very casually running around, and that guy should have just jumped on a building immediately. And why wasn't either that guy or any of the other aliens just constantly trying to kill Charlie Sheen from then on? We know that's their intention now, so keep at it, guys.
Starting point is 01:02:45 Yeah. Be pretty easy. Pretty easy to do. Let's, I mean, the best we can do is when he gets back, the landscapers come after him with, like, a scythe? I was like, what, what, what, what, what, now we're gonna reap Charlie Sheen? Well, what's going on?
Starting point is 01:03:03 Give me alien guns, give me anything, let them ball him. He's not particularly good at hiding, nor is he really trying to hide. And they are bad at finding, nor are they trying to find. Everybody's bad at their job in this. Yes. Except for Ron Silver, who seems to be very good at his job. Yes.
Starting point is 01:03:24 I mean, I like Ron. Look, I like to be very good at his job. Yes. I mean, I like Ron, I like this movie if it was 30 minutes. 30 minutes long or 30 minutes shorter? 30 minutes long. Yeah. I don't think, I think that there was a lot that was, we didn't need to be established. Like, there's not much going on here.
Starting point is 01:03:43 It does need a sequel. I like what Tim said that it should have been his arrival on the on here. It does need a sequel. I like what Tim said that it should have been his arrival on the alien ship. Has anyone seen the sequel? Okay, good. I never heard of silence like that. As I was asking, I was like, I hope one of these idiots doesn't answer. I saw the next 15 minutes where I'm trapped in a conversation with, I saw the next 15 minutes where I'm trapped in a conversation with, no offense, one of you fucking absolute lunatics. Thank you so much for coming to Largo tonight. Eat shit.
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