How Did This Get Made? - The First Power LIVE!

Episode Date: September 8, 2023

LIVE from the Chevalier Theatre in Boston, the HDTGM crew break down the 1990 Lou Diamond Phillips horror-thriller The First Power. They discuss LDP constantly pulling out his gun, the homeless flying bag lady, sultry psychic Tess, and if the killer did actually possess a horse. Plus, Paul gets lost in the theater during the audience Q&A. Go to www.hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

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Hello, people of Earth, and hello, people of Boston Flash, Medford! We are alive at the Peshavaliya Theatre, and we are excited to be here to talk about the 1990 Super supernatural drama action film, The First Power, starring the Lou Diamond Phillips. Now if you don't know anything about the first power, let me read how the Joe Blow website

describes the movie because they do a damn good job. They say this. They say a vicious serial killers tracked down by a damn good job. They say this. They say a vicious serial killer is tracked down by a detective Russell Logan. Although the maniac is executed in the gas chamber, the murders begin again. A devil worshipper, the killer has the first power, one of three forces only God or the devil can bestow. With supernatural forces behind him, you can now appear in anybody, anywhere, at any time, Logan in the beautiful psychic test who is helping the police watch in a horror

as this unstoppable entity grows stronger with each murder committed. And that is the first power. All right, so we're going to break down all the powers. One of the powers I think is the ability to power a ceiling fan. Think that's power number five. I'd like to see a whole movie about that. Let's get into it right away. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Massachusetts own Jason man Zooka What's up jerk What's up Boston

How we doing man, but Yeah How we doing, man, Father? Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Jason, the first power is a movie, Jesus Christ. You're welcome, Boston. Where I really wanted it to be good? Yes. It's amazing. 12 years in, you still have hope.

I do. That has been wrong out of me. I was like, fuck. No, what is this? The Lou Diamond Phillips Poor LDP is just trying his best in this turkey, and I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. I have some things to say about LDP.

Let's bring out our next co-host. She has a lot to say about Satan and hairstyles, and so much more. Please welcome Jew Diane Raphael! Hi, Paul. How are you? I'm well. Thank you so much for asking. How are you? I'm okay. I'm okay. I Similarly, well, I don't know that I had hope, but when I watched this movie, I thought wow There's still more work for us to do out there It's true. You know because I don't know how we haven't done this movie yet. I had never seen it in the video stores. So this was a, I was coming to this with very fresh eyes.

Again, this movie is 1990. I've shot that back. First of all, yes. If you had told me this was 1983, you would have been absolutely, yes. It feels like a mid-80s, like a real weird mid 80s, but this came out in the theater. This movie not only came out in the theater,

but tested so well. What? It tested. They brought it to audiences, and it tested so well. In Boston? To pass the notice that this happened. Right outside of Boston, they brought it to a theater in Medford.

And it tested so well that producers spent millions of dollars to add a brand new ending because they're like, you know what? People love this. Like the cliffhanger ending, you know. The cliffhanger and the entire water sequence at the end was all added because they're like, we, this movie deserves more money. Hang on, this movie used to end not at the water treatment place.

I think it used, yeah, I think it probably ended, I guess it ended in that room before, well, that was at the water treatment place. That was at the water house. That was at the water house. It ended originally in a warehouse. There are pictures of another warehouse. This movie loves warehouses and underground water

industrial facilities. This movie takes place so much around where we live that I found myself pausing it just to be like, oh, is that where I live? Now, what can my hair cut? I've been like, oh, I've walked by that reservoir. Now, this did, I mean, I grew up Catholic, recovering now, obviously.

But I don't remember these powers. Well, I was gonna, I mean. I'm so glad you said that because I also did not know anything about the powers being described in the movie. Nor does it seem any of the characters in the movie. No, it's not until the Nundercover agent arrives. And she is the one who explains that she arrives easily at the end of Act 2.

Well she's at the beginning of the movie. Right. At the very beginning of the movie, she shows up to a bunch of priests and maybe a cardinal and says that she knows something's afoot and she has a bunch of priests and maybe a cardinal. I think that was a, I think there was a whole scandal in Boston based around that exact setup of gentlemen. Michael Keaton starred in the movie adaptation, he brought him down. And she says something's going on, and it's time, and we have to, and we need to bring

out the big guns or that special cross. And nobody listens to her. Well they say, if we're to talk about Satanism, we're gonna end up on Heraldo or something like that. They say, Heraldo or... Is that at the beginning? Or they could say Heraldo. Is that the beginning?

That's the very beginning. That's her. But these powers, immortality is power one. Power two is knowing the future. Power three is the ability to take over people's bodies. He has power three. But I'm like, did God also have these powers? Oh, Jesus Christ, she says,

under cover agent at the end when she produces the crucifix knife, badass. By the way, have that in the whole movie. Lou Diamond Phillips, L.D. Unfortunately, in the movie, has to spend the entirety of it being like, I don't believe this, I don't agree with this, this isn't happening.

And so that makes the movie feel really difficult to go through because he's being dumb. Well, and when she produces the thing with the crucifix and crucify Jesus, she says, he's the only person who had all three of the past. But is that something, as somebody who went to Catholic school, I am confused. I never remember the stories of Jesus possessing people's bodies,

or Jesus knowing the future. He wasn't like, um, now, water will turn into wine. Just give me a sec. You know, it's like, there wasn't like those were the things that we learned. He did say to Lazarus before Lazarus died, I'll see you in a bit. I'll see you in hell. I will say this, that this movie does work in a world in which everyone has amnesia about the scene right before.

That's right. And evidence that's gathered is not important to Lou Diamond Phillips at all. It's so hard. He has a tough job because he even though he's cracked I think the last three serial killers. Five June. I'm sorry five serial killers. I'm sorry, five serial killers in three years. This guy was like killing them all. Oh, I believe. Or capturing them all within three years. I wrote that statistic down, because I was like,

okay, wait, there's, there have been multiple, I guess, five active serial killers in Los Angeles. It's LA, baby. Yeah. It is. That is the part of the movie that I believed the most. I was like, oh, absolutely. Yeah, I'm sure this is true for right now. He has such a tough job because he has to sort of

buddy cop up with this wealthy psychic. We'll get into that. I want to reserve about an hour's time to talk about her business. Oh, test? I wish to talk about more than anybody else. I want to talk about the digital platform. Yeah, oh, her digital platform.

That she has the support. For doing star chats and star chats and sports. Yes, there's sports, there's Wall Street. Oh my God. So she's weighing in. Is this sort of like, it's a 360 type of psychic network. But so I truly want to reserve an answer. She also lives in an iconic modern,

she lives in like the stall house, which is like, a famous, it's one of the case study houses. It's an insane, the idea that she would own that house means she must be the biggest psychic in the world. But Jason, the biggest psychic in the world right now working today is, I don't know. Tyler Henry? Yeah.

Yeah. I'm sorry. Wait, that came so quick and it's a name I've never heard. He's wonderful, Paul and I love him. We saw him live. We saw a live, Paul, and I love him. We saw him live. We saw a live show. Yeah, we love him. You saw a live show.

No, Jade, because you fucking moron came to this. You saw a live show of a psychic? Does he do like the hits? He does do live readings. Wow, where? It was impressive. It was wonderful. How did this get me?

How did this get me? I want to get into the psychic, too. But I want to just step back and just embrace LDP. Because he has a tough job. And that might explain why he does not look comfortable smoking a cigarette at any point in this movie. Because he holds a cigarette at any point in this movie.

Because he holds a cigarette like a child would hold, like he's holding it like a daintily like it should have a little like so it doesn't burn in me. Yes. And he's always smoking it. It's like it's new yet, but all the fingers up like he's drinking a glass of tea. And it's always hanging. It the cigarette work here is magnificent. But I did think to myself because I also thought he looked so young. He looks like he's just a babe,

a newborn fawn. And I think the cigarette work. I do think he was like, I gotta have my cigarettes. I gotta have my long coat. and I gotta have my cigarettes. Because if I don't have those, I'm not gonna be able to, I'm not gonna seem like an established detective who's captured or killed five serial killers. I mean, he doesn't seem hard at all. He doesn't seem hardened at all. No, he should be like, he basically should be

Rayland Gibbons from Justified, or Bosch. You know what I mean? I knew you were gonna bring Bosch up. Of course I'm gonna bring Bosch. It was only a matter of time. You can't talk about a Hollywood homicide without talking about Bosch. Great, everybody, the rest of the show,

we're talking Bosch. And the tough job he has though, is that he is uncover, he is working with this psychic and this very wealthy psychic, and he's so mad at her. He's so mad. But he's mad at her. He's mad at her for experiencing the same things that he is going through.

He sees crazy shit. I guess that's maybe why he's mad. He thinks, I mean, and I understand why he, at first, would think she's a part of it. She's been calling him and telling him information that has actually led to actionable, you know, catching the guy or almost catching all this stuff. So he knows she knows something,

but for, I'm gonna say, 54 minutes, he spends the time shaking her violently and threatening her when he himself is having hallucinations. Yes, I mean, he makes fun of her hallucinations. He's like, there's no one there, dummy. But wait, in the scene before you experience the same fucking thing. He's like, oh, well, we're going to go to his house where he grew up.

Bloody. Well, let's, I also say why wouldn't they have done that to begin with? That would have. That's heaven where they started. There are terrible police officers. And at one point, he, especially, LDP is struggling throughout.

And at one point, test does a great job of calling him out on it. And it's like, what do you want to just pull your gun out? Guess all he does is put his gun on anybody anywhere. At every point, at point range, he misses people at point blank range, 90% of the time. It does he ever get a shot off?

Yeah. So he does it, he does, but it's unsuccessful. Boy, and I love Jeff Corber, who's the main baddie. He's amazing. And one of the great villain faces of cinema. Why do they need to put him in a mask? Because when he took off that mask, is that a mask of his own face?

I thought that too. By the way, I love. I love this face. But it was first. It felt too similar. It was too, at least somebody should've been like, hey, we should've bought this mask before he cast him. And I feel like now it's not working.

We should make masks of our faces. I thought that in the opening scene or not the opening scene, but one of the early scenes, we take the mask off himself and puts it on the woman on the ground. One of the creeps you're things I've ever chilling. But my favorite character beyond all was the homeless woman who jumped being up and that's the only person that Lou Diamond Phillips successfully shoots. Well, by the way, that woman is amazing. It's incredible.

I call her Carol Cain. Great. And I want to play that moment where Lou Diamond Phillips and the second woman are about to go to the buy-zone. I want the whole movie to be her in the battle. And when she pops up, she's one of our best. This is what the movie's been building to. This romantic kiss.

We finally get it. And then... What is he here? But like, they go back to kissing now. He should, at this point in the movie, any noise off screen is the murderer. Why does he have to lead to it? He's gonna, I think he's gonna go investigate the noise, is he? Maybe it's his cap that never came back. He thinks it's an old refrigerator. The cat with the pearl necklace?

This looks like... Yeah! Russell! Uh oh! What is it? This is a classic moment. She was outside the window. And he doesn't believe it? His gun is out by the way.

Always! His gun is always out. Even when he thought it was the refrigerator, he took it out. There's nothing else. Oh! Oh! Don't you think I look pretty loud? Incredible. Incredible.

The movie comes alive. It's like... It's like... It's like, Carol Kane meets the wicked witch of the West. But dressed as Robin Williams from The Fisher King. And I have to say that this movie stunts our amazing... We'll talk about those, but June, I want to just pull out what you just said. He pulled out his gun to check on an old refrigerator. Like, he's like, oh, I guess I'm going to have to shoot that refrigerator.

And I'm going to bet that if he made it to the kitchen, he would miss a point blank rage. And again, I will say, he has a cat named Jack. Okay. Wouldn't you be like, oh, it's my cat. My cat knocked something over, or whatever. I don't like the way. The cat never comes back, by the way.

The cat comes back a couple of times, but I don't like the introduction to LDP. Me neither. Is we're watching a cat not at pizza. No, I didn't like it either. And I'm like, oh, this is the serial killer's apartment. And then I'm like, oh, it's our hero's apartment. I didn't know what we were supposed to make of that.

Because I was like, oh, is he taking care of that cat? And I don't even like cats. And I was like, the whole movie I was worried about that cat. And that cat wasn't being fed. And that cat wasn't being taken care of. And then I'm also like, why is he so messy? Like, he's such a lost cop. Well, when they go to the apartment, he apologizes

that because it's so messy. And it is. It's disgusting. His whole apartment situation did not mesh with his reputation as, well, the best homicide detective in Los Angeles. I'm going to go once at 27 years old. I'm gonna go one step further and say this.

I like ludemite folks, but there's no personality to this cop. Like, I don't know who the fuck that was. Is he funny? Is he angry? He smokes. Yeah. Like, I can't put a finger on it like there's a lot of defining traits not enough

none of the people in the movie have like a personality or have a have characteristics that make them unique they are all like just true man yeah woman yes seen it literally like the guy who works in the water treatment plant has just as much character development as Well, I think the person who and this is so fucking crazy and this is what's wrong with the movie is like the person who had in Some ways the most humanity was the serial killer himself where I was like oh you've experienced this childhood trauma You are this way. I hope you get healed. And I am connected to his journey.

Way more than I am to our billionaire second. I'll say this. I wanted him to get away with it. He did. Give him up. Give him up. That's the end of the movie. He did get away with it. That's the end of the movie! He did!

He did get away with them! There's a sequel! Good! Potentially, like, that's the problem with this movie. I don't understand what it is. Right, he catches a serial killer. Don't put him on death row. They put him on death row.

Then he's able to jump around, but it makes no sense. Because sometimes he jumps into people's bodies. And he doesn't like control their bodies. He just becomes them. But then he doesn't like control their bodies. He just becomes them. But then he doesn't jump into the bag lady's body. No. And I don't know if he was like, she's got to work on her own. You know, she's so good that I got to send her out there on her own.

But then the bag lady is in the apartment, but then immediately in the backseat of the car, and even if she jumped out that window, I think they would have seen her sneak into the backseat. He appears to be able to, as his own corporeal form or when he has possessed another person, he seems to be able to teleport, willing nilly. And forgive me, this might be in there and I just didn't clock it, but it seemed very clear to me at the very beginning that Lou Diamond Phillips had been like possessed or part of the killer's spirit had gone over to him. They have a moment where they close in on both of their eyes, right? And there's a moment where there's a music

cue and I was like, oh, for the rest of the movie, Lou Diamond Phillips is going to be in a fugue state committing the murders that he himself is now investigating, but he doesn't know. Right? Did other people think that? But not what the movie is about, isn't? No. No. Better movie though. But, well, now here's what I'll say to you. If the serial killer wanted to get captured, wanted to be put on death row or be killed, and I don't know if he needed to be killed on death, whatever, it happened very quickly.

But if he wanted to be killed, why is he then avenging his death with the cops, just go off and start killing other people. Like they helped you out. Technically, it will be more sense if the first act of the movie established a rivalry, Allah, Dr. Richard Kimball, and Tom Ylee Jones in the fugitive, where they are cat and mouse

in each other, and finally, Lou Diamond Phillips gets him, so that now he's being haunted for the rest of the movie or tortured, and that the killer is making it personal, right? That's what's missing. I mean, I think that, you know, there's a lot missing. The connective, that's the only thing I can see. The connective tissue between the killer story, and like I thought, oh, it would be great.

If Lou Diamond's father had been killed in a bar randomly, had been a cop who like turned the other way and didn't you know, investigate what we knew was going on in our killer's family, or something, anything. But we are, those stories are just so disparate. And it just, there's some major holes. Wait, but also the psychic does something we don't really see until she goes to the house

to go to his bedroom with the creepy clown portraits. She is the voice of him, the killer in the room. No, she's the voice of the killer's mother. No, it's like no. And him. Oh, and him, I'm sorry. I was like, grandpa, no. But see, here's, don't say that again, pal.

That's the shirt. Oh, and him I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He's like, grandpa, no. But he hears, don't say that again, pal. That's the shirt. By the way, that is the shirt with a creepy clown on it. Just like the clowns who used to drive around the hunt in a van and try to get in that kid. I also, you guys get it. You're the only people that get it. Here's what I couldn't understand, though,

to your earlier point, is why are none, Sister Marguerite says that, and also the psychic, they don't want the killer to be on death row, and they don't want the state to be responsible for killing him. And I guess my question is why, because. I think this is my conjecture. Okay. I think that the movie wants, I don't think they do a good job setting this up, but I think the

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No, I didn't see that. Why? What's that story? That's exactly the kind of detail that's in the movie that I'm like, something interesting is happening here. But the movie's like, nah, who cares? I believe there are roses on the pillow next to him. I believe that those roses replace there by the same person who held the cat off screen

and on action threw it at Lou Dynathus. Because where is that cat jumping from at the pretty open floor plan? There's no shelving anywhere near him. Okay, so are we to understand that you can only get power two and power three after you have power one We'll start off with power three. This is this is the psychic says. Yeah, all right. Here we go sexy psychic phone call Listen lady

Marks are always exactly six inches in diameter. The wound is always at the center Keep going. Oh. This is sexy, actually. You know this guy. Keep going. Oh, OK. What are you saying?

Swear it. You got it. And what's your name? Your son said Boulevard. The South entrance to a lesion park. When? Soon. The South entrance to a lesion park. What? Soon. Don't forget your promise Logan.

Oh, amazing. Oh, this is so funny by the way. When it tries to draw it. There are so many killings. There are, like, that is a road trip. That is 16 killings. Uh-oh. Right into lens.

Right down the barrel. Oh, sheave that he is such a disciple of Satan, that he knows if he is killed, he will immediately get the third power because he's a good little devil boy. And I don't know how he'll get the other ones, but he will. Wow, I didn't understand that from watching the movie

that we were trying to collect power. It's clearly what's at stake. That's why he is joyfully taunting them into giving him the death penalty. And like the courthouse staff, and that's why he kidnapped the psychic. I think to take her powers, suck them out. That's hard though, because he's also killing

so many other people. Huh, he's getting revenge. Let me tell you something else, too. Who's he getting revenge on? All the cops that gave him what he wanted. Okay. Okay. Um, because the other part of this is,

um, as somebody grew up with horses, let me tell you this. Here we go. Oh, you think you're better than us with your horses? Do not fire a gun in the proximity of a horse if you want them to calm down Like when a horse is stomping on that detective Don't fire a gun that's only going to intensify the stomping

Now I know you were in a horse accident. Did you shoot at a horse when that happened? We did have guns and we did have horses and we did it. Did you grow up Cowboy style? Wait, were you a long Island Yellowstone? We had a ranch. The duck, the duck long Island. I thought, okay, so I was very disturbed by that horse being. So, and I guess this is what I couldn't tell. Did our killer possess the horse? Okay.

But I'm not the rider. I think it was the rider. Because then he jumps out of the thing, runs up the steps, and Lou Diamondfield chases him, the driver of the carriage, and he's saying, come on. I know that there were times when we were close up on that horse, there was a striking resemblance.

Well, then, well, for the poor, the killer, I'm fucking porting myself straight into jack the cat, and I'm fucking slicing and dicing, LDP's neck. I will say that, June, you probably are confused because that horse is wearing blinders, but blinders are technically not a mask. The horse takes off his blinders and puts it on the cop.

Buh, buh. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing about that scene. He jumps into somebody else. Who'd I'm in Phillips? They chase, they chase. They do this amazing stunt where he jumps off the building and then runs away. about that scene though. He jumps into somebody else. Who doesn't feel it? They chase, they chase. They do this amazing stunt where he jumps off the building

and then runs away. But if he's possessing someone's body, just kill that person. Splat. That's what's so hard. That's what's so tough of him. Oh, because he has to have like a really cool stunt. By the way, great stunt. Great stunt. Love it. All done in camera. And then he gets to have like a cheeky moment where he waves goodbye like, see you soon.

I would imagine if the whole movie instead of him, it was the bag lady. Carol came from Scrooge. Simka, what a performance just to go back to her for a second. What a performance. Oh, yeah. You know? Incredible. Yeah, she really left it all on the stage.

What is this for me? Why was the nun in like nun jail? Yeah. They go to visit the nun who looks like they live in the rock house. It's like, hold on, we'll buzz you into the nunnery and like a gate opens and they pull up like a driveway that like the dude from Entourage would live at. And they pull in and they're like, oh, the nun, she's down here in this little room. They talk through like a sliding door prison.

Again, so much of this, this is a real, because we haven't said it yet. To me, this is a real, a movie that is genuinely part of the Satanic Panic era of like, yeah, give it up for Satanic Panic, everybody. The idea that our kids were being indoctrinated into the devil worship by heavy metal music and so forth. And yeah! Boston flicking animals. But there's this whole idea that like, oh, somehow this person, the upside down pentagram,

the devil, all this stuff, Lou Diamond Phillips is so oblivious that even when he goes to church, because first he goes to church before they go to the nunnery, and he goes to church, goes into the confession booth, and has a whole conversation with a priest who turns out to be the killer. Yes, and then when he goes around, it's just empty. And nowhere, and even when they try and go to the nunnery, they seem genuinely disinterested in engaging seemingly the only people who can treat this scourge which is the nuns, the priests, and their

special crucifix daggers. The movie should be about them. Well, they seem to be the keeper of the special crucifix dagger with everything tests and loot diamond foods are doing are moot. Right. Until these people get involved. Yeah, because tests is is yeah, she has no real, she has powers to sort of intuit what's going on, but she can't do anything about it. No, it's the curse. Well, she, not powers her suspect. Because you think? Well, she does say that thing. Well, she's able to figure out a cop tailing her.

But she doesn't know why the cop is tailing her. So if she was psychic, she'd be like, you're telling me, because Lou Diamond Phillips told you to tell me. She's like, I don't know why you're following me, but go on an online data. Well, well, you've seen Tyler Henry's work. told you to tell me, she's like, I don't know why you're following me, but go on an online date. Well, you've seen Tyler Henry's work. He just gets hits and he gets symbols and then he's always going to put it in.

I don't believe that. That's a real person. Tyler Henry's a gifted young man. It's wonderful. Paul, I love him. But the other thing that I will agree though, the thing that is suspect about her is that she has no idea that two cops are in her home rifling through her belongings and her answering machine. She walks and shocked. She was stunned. And I did think, huh, you should have gotten some sort of a message about this.

Especially on the walk up to your apartment when there's a police car parked out front. And there's shit to do with picking up. The house is top to bottom glass, and they're just in there. You can see them from the gate. It's like Bosch's house, actually. But at the same time, at the same time, again, I just want to break down what this guy can do because he leaves a message

on her answering machine, which he can rewind, then it's not there, which I get. But I also'm like, do I get it? Well, this is part of the movie's problem, which is Lou Diamond Phillips is collecting scene after scene, experiences that are truly unexplainable, that must key him into something supernatural is happening, and he refuses to even consider that that's what's happened.

Well, at that point, he's still a little like suspect of everything, but so much has happened. His partner, oh no, his partner hasn't been trampled. Oh yeah, he has been trampled by now. No, his partner has not trampled yet. Okay, why don't you just do this? What, if I'm like, all right, so I'm Michael T. Williamson, and I'm just like, next to Lou Diamondfeld,

I'm like, hey, just blow off my own head. I possess my own body, that would be it. Like, why does he go out of the way to possess the horse? Why can't he just possess Michael T. Williamson? Make Michael T. Williamson pick up a gun, shoot himself in the head, and be done with it. I don't know that he can possess dead bodies. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I think Paul's saying when he's alive. Oh, when he's alive. Get him to kill himself. Not get him to kill, do that. Like, why all the pomp and circumstance? Just to have him to jumping to one of, I think it's not as cinematic. Why is it you're saying?

Well, the person that I was waiting to get jumped into was the hot dog vendor. Okay, another remarkable performance. I laughed out loud. What was the line? He said, oh, she's just come out of a mental hospital. And he said, maybe she should go back. I had a genuine LOL.

That's how I felt when the killer, you mentioned it earlier, Paul, pulls the ceiling fan out of the ceiling and then uses it as a chopping weapon. It felt like a Freddy Krueger move that he was going to be like I'm a big fan bitch The movie does go for a couple comedic beats and I do think they land the plane like there's the beat with the hotdog vendor And then there's also the beat in the hotel, the hotel of misfits, where... Where... I have bussards.

Bullshead and underlined. They bust into a hotel room and the killers after them, and then they move a bed close to the door to stop them from coming in. And there's a gentleman asleep in it. And he does not wake and they do not attempt to save him. No. But you don't attempt to save this poor man living in a flop house in downtown LA. And Lou Diamond Phillips is a cop like to serve and protect and he does not make any I wrote here LDP is so dumb question mark and

Afraid and it's making him a bad cop. Okay a question about LDP and this is a serious question. I want to ask the audience too Okay is this serial killer possessing the body and then making LDPC his face on their body like so okay so okay so if I was walking by I would see LDP fighting the police chief okay okay but then why does that? You know what, don't act like you knew that and we didn't. Yeah. You guys are getting a real fucking bullshit on us.

So, but then why does that man and the hotel lobby seem to also the one that's sitting there in the lobby? Who's like? He's like, he's like, what is he saying? But, what is he saying?, I audition for that part. He's off, he's off priest, run up those stairs because a priest jumped out the window. Everyone's jumping out of windows in this movie.

And they had a master's way to get out. This movie is 98% about defenestration. I guess I just want to go back to who's body jumps in at what point because who's body? who's body? when he jumps out the window and lands on the car

and Lou Diamond's self gets in the car with that man. Okay, that man just served Paul. So with that man says, I rewind, I watch 10 times in a row. That man is so shocked that LDP jumps in the car with the psychic and says, Hey, hey, hey, I'm not, I'm not anti-cop. Right. says, hey, hey, hey, I'm not, I'm not anti-cop. And I'll help you find the creep. And Lou Downfield's not in police clothes.

Why does he? Or knowing what's going on in the city. Why would he tell him he's not anti-cop? Because I think he didn't want to be like, hey, look, you can take my, I don't want you to take my car, but it's not because I'm anti-cop. I just got a clean or whatever it is. Yeah, and then they proceed to demolish his car.

Like they're in a demolition derby. They drive it through a dumpster with a side hatch. Like a dumpster that has a secret exit. Well, the bad guy is hanging onto the car like throughout, they're trying to knock him off. But the bad guy, this is what I'm talking about, the bad guy should just jump in the anti-cop guy. I agree.

Well, the bad guy at any point could exact his complete revenge by jumping into Lou Diamond Phillips or tests. Yeah, there are so, there, the movie doesn't add up because I don't know ultimately what the bad guy wants. Full stop. I don't know what his plan is, nor does the end shine any light on it. I'm okay in the movie to be like, I'm not sure what he's up to, but I bet it's bad because he's doing a bunch of bad stuff. And then at the end, it's like, oh, okay. He was trying to unlock this thing and blah, blah, blah.

I don't know. I thought, like maybe his thought was, I got to kill tests. And if I give him enough clues, they'll eventually get to Margarit. Margarit will have that night. And then I will get that. It is a long road. It is a long road.

I mean, because he should have a go to the nun's house, brother. You know, he should have get that. It is a long road. Such a long road. I mean, because he should have a go to the nun's house, brother. You know, he should have had that. I kept feeling like I also, for a while thought, is the nun related somehow? Is the nun his mother? Is the, I thought that for a while,

I was trying so hard to make sense of the movies, like all the characters such that they were in relation to each other somehow lined up eventually. And that's not what the movie is interested in. Amazing performance by the killer's mother in his grand mother rather. Sorry it's dark in here my eyes. What a wonderful performance. I was very confused because for most of the movie, I thought that that phone call and those sexy lips were, and I'm scared to even say this, but I'm gonna be brave right now and admit

that I thought that those sexy lips and sexy phone call were from Sister Marguerite. So, and then I was like, and then I was like trying to remember what Sister Marguerite looked like, and I was like, is that the psychic? Because we didn't see your hair. We didn't see your hair,

and I thought they're gonna save the reveal of that shock of red hair for later on. That would have been so cool. I would have really enjoyed that. But it is Tess who says, you know, I've heard about somebody. Where? Where's a Tess player? Where's a Tess player? Tess is a psychic.

Just be like, I'm getting a feeling we should go there. Like, why? Where in what, did Tyler Henry be like, you know, there's a nun? Tess will. Well, Jason, first of all, what did Tyler Henry be like, you know, there's a none Well Jason first of all Yes, Tyler Henry has been a part of some difficult cases and as had hits and by the way Moby didn't believe in any of that sort of stuff and Tyler Henry convinced him. So here's the thing I'll say this Moby I'm double out now.

So now, and then sometimes Tyler Herndnery will show up to some baby, I don't have anything. And they're like, OK, cool, thanks. That's why I really believe him. Me too. He's not afraid to be like, I got nothing for you. Just like Jeff Probe. So Boston Rob. Ha ha ha ha.

20 seasons ago. That did not go as well. I feel like as you wanted it to. Boston's not going to give it up for that. I have no watch survivor. June and I now, June and I just started watching the survivor, the TV show, and it's 45th season. And we have gone backwards,

and now all we do is watch Survivor with our kids, and I feel Boston Rob is just alive as he, I mean, he's alive. Wait a minute. He's very much alive, I follow him on Instagram. But sounds like, that sounds like a threat. Ha, ha. Uh, wait, oh, you were talking about the humor of this movie.

And I think Tess is just too low-key. Because there's a, she delivers a lot of jokes without any spin. Because at one point, he's like, well, you're saying, how did you know my number? She's like, I had a friend at the phone company. And that was a funny, like, she's number? She's like, I had a friend at the phone company. And that was a funny, like, she's like, well that, I had a friend at the phone company.

She delivers it with no, like, it's just like, my had a friend at the phone company. It's like, I don't know. You were unfortunately giving it more comedy than it had in the movie. But I also think like Lou Dimeville was like, hey, the cops will pay for that. I'm like, is that a joke? You're saying it in a way that I like, hey, the cops will pay for that. I'm like, is that a joke?

You're saying it in a way that I'm like, are the cops gonna pay for that? And he's like, actually, the lieutenant will pay for it. I'm like, oh, is that it again? Is this a joke? I don't think so. So I actually thought about that for a while, the fact that he pinned,

because he's not only says, lieutenant Grimes is gonna pay for it, but he's gonna say he's gonna personally pay for it. And then like this lieutenant, like he just was put on this case at the higher up. He's about to be dead. That's right.

And I'm never getting that car paid for. By the way, he's calling a guy who's fucking dead though. By the way, our enemy besides our serial killer is this lieutenant who is very level headed. He's like, motherfucker, four more people have died. You're off the case. It's not like, oh, he's crazy. It's like, no, no, it's clearly not working.

He's also like, you broke into the psychics house. Kidnaptor brought her to a crime scene. And Lou Diamond Phillips is legitimately not a good- he's not even a good cop who plays by his own rules, Bosch, but he's a bad cop who doesn't play by rules at all and is just lost. He's like, it's like they gave a badge to a little kid and we're like, go fix it!

And he's just like, well, my gun is the answer to every problem in this. Well, this movie is written by a little kid because the cigarettes, the shale pain. Like, I one point when they go to the bar and she's like, listen up McGuire, there must be a leak in your ceiling because this is watered down scotch.

And I love the guys like, I'm not McGuire. I'm not McGuire. Like, like that to me. Like I feel like she just knew the name of the bar was McGuire and she's like, well, that must be you must be the proprietor. The proprietor, Mr. McGuire. But again. Right, it's like assuming a salesperson is Macy. Listen up Macy.

He's the salesman. But what so strange is like she's a psychic. She would know he's not McGuire. Yeah. She also know that that was watered down before she even tasted it. But then she took the bottle with her or she took another bottle. But why would now it be watered down too? It seems like if she was saying like they're all watered down, but at least I'm gonna get a bottle's worth. Like, oh, to get the drink I want, I have to drink this entire bottle. I would love it if the movie had an eight minute,

they're absolutely wasted, seeing. The movie's not interested in having fun at all. Like, zero. If the guy was more like Freddy Krueger, he's already doing incredible work. Let me be clear. But if it was a little bit more, if Lou Diamond Phillips and Tess had, if Tess even was less of a salt, I don't know, less of a sultry psychic and more of a kooky psychic that he was saddled with, that dynamic would be funny. Or if he was capable even remotely, then we've got something, but everybody in the movie is not good at the thing they're supposed to be the best at.

No, but you know what, I am interested in that computer site that she's building. Let's go to the audience. I also want to know why does every water filtration facility have an acid bath, such that you could create the joker in it? Okay, so I thought for sure what they were going to do was create holy water and then throw a minute. I love that. I love that, but no. But that's just rifling through papers over there.

Well, I'm going out to the audience because I have a couple of things from our Discord. So I want to make sure that people in the Discord might be able to get a chance to have their voice or, but you, you had your hand raised, right? Okay, all right, so your name and your question. My name is Ben, and my big question is, why is anyone running from anything

when someone can just transport to another person in front of them? Why run a home? There's a lot, there's so much run. I would say, if you put it all together, maybe you can have, ever do a supercut. If you put it all together, I believe there's 45 minutes of just running. Okay, I will say this. The original title of this movie was transit.

Why? Because he's transiting, like he's like moving around and then they decided to call it for power. So you're telling me the movie in its initial version of it had nothing to do with the power? It did, but it was more about the body moving and transit move. No thanks.

I will say, I want to say, Paul, just quickly, something positive about the movie. I do think it is always a nice, it's a relief when filmmakers set their movies and stories in LA and don't take on the Hollywood. And boy, this movie didn't. There is no reference to LA being an industry town which is-

Oh, oh, June, hold up. Because tests does say- Except for those two telling people if their pilots get picked up or not. Oh, funny. And I thought that was a great, I would like, oh, that would be great person to chat with. What?

Well, we're not sure. I also would love to include Diamond Phillips ever called for backup or even had a radio. No radio? Oh, that all. The only time, the only time the radio is used is when the Satan person calls Lou Diamond Phillips radio radio to say Ludaiman Phillips is going to get killed. Yeah. Your name and your question. My name is John and in America the average time between conviction and the death sentence is 12 years and in California it's actually close to 20 years. So are we supposed to believe that LDP just aged very gracefully?

I believe this movie posits a world in which it was like, the trial was a day. Gunk, gunk, gunk. At five o'clock, they were like guilty by six. He was fried. Absolutely. Yes, you're right. Yeah, because that's the way it works.

Why do you know that? That's the way it works for you. Really wanted to happen. It can happen very quickly. And this is why the movie is anti-death penalty. Okay. Your name and your question. Hi, I'm Cass.

So I just wanted to talk about the introduction to Tess in that parking garage. She just cut off this guy. Like those very entitled rich psychic wood, I guess. So I just wanted to break. She thinks she's worth it. She's a terrible person. Is she using her psychic powers to know exactly where the parking spot is gonna be

so that she can snipe it? I didn't know what we were to make of that. Yeah, I think that she's a dick. I mean, right? That's kind of the energy that she's giving off. Everybody hears very cocky. Like at once point. Boston, I agree. But there's one point. Look at her cheering for it.

There's one point in the movie where Tess says, I saw you celebrating on TV that he got the death penalty. What interview was that? Yeah. Like, they had a lie. She was so strange because in that moment it felt like she had seen the movie. I was gonna say, I think she had seen Daly's from the scene where they're celebrating the police precinct. Alright, your name and your question.

My name is Olivia and I want to ask about the scene where he's supposed to be being put to death. And when he's coming out of the glass, it's definitely a stunt double coming out. And it completely changes the space. And we actually had an argument of was it intentional or unintentional? Oh, right. Was that a part of the psychic thing? Did he take over somebody's body?

No, there's someone else that comes out. Like, it's not. Well, yeah, stunt double, yeah. And you're saying, it's space. It's clearly someone else's space when. Well, yeah, stunt double, yeah. And you're saying. It's face. It's clearly someone else's face when he comes out. A stunt double, yeah. It's so noticeable.

It's for sale. Look, a stunt double, yeah. See, these are things. There's a great joke about it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So we're to believe that in the making of the movie, a different person jumped out of the glass.

And the question therein is, is the character inhabiting the body of the stunt? That's power number four. Power number four. I am giving the Tom Cruise power, where he just does all of his own stunts until he dies. All right, I was about to leave, but someone showed me they may have the best question because their name is test. We can't pass up, someone. Are they psychic?

We'll see. We'll see. I feel like, in this, in a room this size, there's like 30 people who think they're psychic. A little bit. By a pause, I think I'm a little psychic. By a pause, anyone think they're psychic a little bit by like I think I'm a little psychic By a pause anyone think they're oh, yeah, see up here. These two up here Too many she thinks she's psychic raise your hand if you think you're a little bit psychic Jason to your right look at it

Oh, yeah, it's on my left. Yes, yeah, there's a lot of people this so many people who think they're a little bit psychic Okay, yes, your question, Tess. So in the beginning of the movie, when Lou Diamond Phillips is with his partner, and his partner doesn't want to go out, he says, what are you scared of? Some kind of boogie man? Or the clue-clux clan? So my question is, in this universe, we already know that the Catholic religion is a little

bit different. In this universe, is the Ku Klux Klan a fictional creature? Yeah, they're putting the same sentence. It's a great question. It's really, it's so upsetting for Michael T Williams because it also he's nervous He's like, hey, what are you doing? We shouldn't be doing all this blah blah blah all this stuff and then Test says to him you're in danger Then

Loot down in films is like shut up. We're going down to this place. We're gonna go to this church We're going down here cut to he gets trampled the horse. And I desperately wanted his last line to be, not I saw him. It was him. For him to say, I told you, you did this. My blood is on your hands. See, my question is why in that, why does tests keep on pulling out some sort of medallion of the pentagram upside down as though it's a cross.

Yes, and he's a vampire. Great, but it has no, it does nothing. The first time she uses it, it seems to kind of dissuade him from kids, but just a little bit, nothing like, he's not like, ah, he's just kind of like, okay, okay. Okay, and then the next one. I thought he was just like, what is this? And then the next time she holds that up, he's like, you're holding it upside down. Ah!

It's like, oh, I, boy, did I wish he had more Freddy Krueger energy. I will say, I love this theater. People here are lovely, but I ran right down into the lobby. People let me run right into a janitorial closet. I walked by four and a half. They do want you to clean up some puke in the balcony. Oh, you didn't realize that. Hey, oh.

All right. And no one said, everybody in the lobby is like, look, this fucking idiot doesn't even know this schematics of the chivalier. Though he wasn't here for the doughboys. He didn't see it. He didn't see it. He didn't see it. He didn't see it. He didn't see it. And everybody in the lobby is like, look at this fucking idiot. Doesn't even know this schematics of the chivalier. Though he wasn't here for the doughboys.

He didn't see frail bot here or Wu Tang. The one funny moment of that. Dano was I ran out into the... Mikeus, sorry. J. Leno in 1989. I ran out into the lobby. And there's clearly somebody who is here at the show and goes, oh, you're the dude from TV. To which?

Wow. I have a lot of questions. Wow. Clearly an audience member. Wait, were you in the bar? He was at the bar. Were you in the balcony? I came down, I was at the bar were you in the balcony? I

Came down was in the where the liquor was because that wouldn't surprise me from the balcony these people are fucking moron Oh, man. I like that I surprised him You're the dude from TV. I love that he's like what do you been up to lately? Hey, hold that thought I got to go watch this show with a dude from TV, I know. Yeah, I'm watching these shows, sucks. Is there another show after this one? Ah, can I get you guys, can I get two more forties? Can I get a couple more tall boys?

Well, clearly we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. I thought Jesus only could do simple things. Like walk on water, heal the blind and sick. But then this movie taught me he possesses two. He can see the future so can you. Sister Margaret. Maybe a believer. Not a trace. A doubt in my mind.

The bag lady spins. Ooh, I'm a believer. See you later, buddy boy. Hey, buddy boy. Hey, buddy boy. Tell me your name. Tell me your name. Yeah, I'm Dan, and she's candle.

She's running away. She fled. You did a great job. That was awesome. Great work, you guys. So not surprisingly, this movie has very high five star review rating. 78% of the reviews are five star reviews. 78% okay, only five percent are one star.

And this first one is from Kim. She writes, entertainment! The title, it's very scary. Five stars. I like this one from Ivan, who writes this. Anyone looking for an early 90s action thriller featuring Lou Diamond Phillips will not be disappointed by a star.

How often, how often are you just like flipping through being like, oh, nothing done. Oh, I want a watch is an early 90s thriller with Lou Diamond Phillips. Not wrong. Oh, I want to watch is an early 90's thriller with Lou Diamond Phillips not wrong I want Teresa Johnson Title Titles her review the first power and writes this back in 2001 And it's all in caps. I love this movie as a matter of fact

I just watched it yesterday. Lou is a great actor. And I can honestly say that I enjoyed all of his movies I've ever seen him in. And this is my first time reviewing a movie, but not my last. No, she did not review anything else on Amazon. Yeah, yet. Nothing has risen to the 23. A couple interesting things about this.

This movie was the favorite film of late rapper EZ. This, the music for the first power power was all done by Stewart Copeland the drummer and founding member of the police So interesting there budget in this movie 10 mil okay, right gross 22.4 it was a hit okay, it was a hit a little hit, but it was a hit. And a lot of that's got, there's a lot of stunts. There's a lot of like practical stunt stuff that's happening. When they drive the car off of the other car, and it's like, both of them would be evaporated. Both of them would be exploded into dust.

And they walk away like, well, well. By the way, at that point, doesn't the homeless woman like just vanish? She pops up from the Ex-salee. No, but then when he gets up, I watch that for each she and Tess are gone. But how? Magic, okay. I think it's magic and I wish it was more explicitly said so. I will say this. I didn't know we're gonna do this but when we announced that we were doing this movie, I got a text from one of the actors in the film who also said that they would like to show up and it was from the horse. And the

horse said he's ready to come back for a sequel. Wow. Yeah. He's filled with, there's unfinished business and he had a great time shooting it and know those weren't his hooves, a lot of special effects magic, LDP is great and he has some negative things to say about Jeff Corber. But okay, but so the horse isn't, what do you recommend this movie? Yes, listen, as far as these movies go and the work that we do here, I've done this movie to be very watchable. I did enjoy watching it. Of course, as someone was blowing out my hair at about 4 p.m. today

and I was watching it with earphones in and I didn't explain to the stranger why I was watching it and why I was taking, you know, copious notes. But I did enjoy it. I found it, I liked it. I agree. I agree, this is a very watchable movie. And it goes though, but she's the real movie. We are also mentally ill from this podcast.

I'm gonna say this. So that's the problem. I watched this movie today. I also watched most of tomorrow's movie with just Jonathan Livingston Seagull. A movie in which I genuinely was like, I might not survive this viewing because it's so insane.

So this is so fun. Thank God this movie is at least having a good time. Now if I saw this movie in 1990 I would have been furious. I would have been like how bear you show me this and pretend it's a movie. Absolutely not. I just, I like this movie. I think there was too much potential that wasn't paid off. It could have been a great movie. I do think a better like cop, could, I feel like Lou Downing Phillips picked cigarettes

and long coat and that was it. I think he did a little bit. I think the movie's mistake was making it about the cops. The most interesting story that's happening is Tess's, or the Cindercover. Or Cindercover. Or Cindercover. But the psychic story is really interesting

because for so much of the movie she's not being trusted She knows truths she has information and what part of the problem is that she's just along for the ride with this guy Who's not interested in what she has to contribute and it would be much better if she was the main character and he was even if he Had the same mo he was reduced in size to just being somebody who wasn't. Was time I shrunk to Luda Merville? Yeah, if he was, yes. If he was teeny tiny, fit in a backpack. If he arrived at every scene in a- Hey!

Hey, you! Hey, come on now! This is blood! I loved, because I loved too. I also wish we'd gotten more of the villain's story because we get the scene with the grandmother and the, you know, you're that cop, go to hell! Go to hell! Go to hell!

I was like, give this woman 15 minutes of screen time! Give me more with this insane character! I was like every moment that was fun, the religious assassins, all this stuff they were like, we're not interested in that lady. Yes, the movie's not interested in those things, they're like, get LDP smoking again. But the movie also fails because the sequel is that they didn't save the day and we don't know anything else like he's just in a hospital room and they're like, all right buddy boy, let's go round two. Imagine if the movie had been about tests.

She goes through the whole thing, Lou Diamond Phillips is helping Blah Blah Blah, and we had that scene in them early on with the thing and we revealed that he's the killer. He has been possessed. And she's she, her only ally is now also trying to kill her. Way more interesting. That's SQL.

All right. You have been fantastic. Teach now. Let's talk about t-shirts. Yeah, go ahead. LDPPD. That's pretty good. That's really good. We did it Boston. Thank you Jason. Thank you June. Thank you Beth. Eat shit assholes. Thank you for coming out. We love being here. We'll see you next time.

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