How Did This Get Made? - The Forbidden Dance

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Two lambada movies were released on March 16, 1990, but only one was written in 10 days and focuses on a Brazilian princess saving the rainforest by dancing on a TV show judged by Mama Coconut. Paul, ...June, and Jason watched The Forbidden Dance and discuss the cultural impact of the lambada, Joa the magical shaman, if the Jason character is a Choppleganger, Nisa's solo lambada dancing, Carmen offering her bed to a strange man to have sex in, and so much more. Plus, Paul chronicles the falling out between Cannon Films co-founders Golan and Golbus that led to the production of two dueling lambada films.   Buy our t-shirt for this episode here. • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Let's save the rainforest through dance. We saw the forbidden dance. So you know what that means? Now it's time for how did this get made? We're going to have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater, could you know you won. Let's walk in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question.
Starting point is 00:00:25 How did this get made? Hello, people of earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Today we are talking about the 1990 film The Forbidden Dance, not the 1990 film Lombada. That's right. We will talk about those subtle differences. Wait. What?
Starting point is 00:00:44 Yep. Yeah. We were a few minutes in. Paul said, cue it up. I got everything ready. And then I was starting watching a 10 minutes in. He said, this is the wrong movie. We're supposed to be watching a Lombada.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Wait. Well, no, no. We were supposed to be watching the forbidden dance. No, I know. But you got confused. Did I watch the right movie? Did you watch a movie with a character named Nisa? Yes.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Okay. Then we have watched the right movie. Holy cow. Because there was a lot of Lombada in it. A lot of Lombada. Oh, I mean. But this isn't the movie that was called Lomba? Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Okay. I'm sorry. I've already jumped in all over this, but this is a wild reveal. There was a lawsuit that happened. So there are posters that label this movie Lombada, the forbidden dance. but then an injunction made them take away Lombada and just be the forbidden dance. But then there was another movie that came out like the same weekend called Lombada. Wait, the same week came out, they came out the same weekend?
Starting point is 00:01:43 Or around the same time? Yes, the exact same day. God, what was going on with us as a people that we needed. It was taking over the nation. I know, but you know what it reminds me. Do you remember when? Paul Blart, Mall Cop, and also, I think, Mall Cop came out. Like, there were...
Starting point is 00:02:05 There were two Mall Cop movies? I remember, like, Volcano and Dante's Peak. I remember, like... I don't know why I'm remembering mall cops, but I feel like there was a time of... Why are these exactly the same idea? Observing Report with Seth Rogan. Thank you. And Paul Blart, Mall Cop with Kevin James.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Thank you. Two films about Mall Cops, the exact same thing. time and it feels just as obscure and just as random as two films about a forbidden dance. I mean, I was going to do you guys, I'll have, let me ask you this. Just because you guys are younger, do you remember the phenomenon that was like, like the Lombada and the forbidden dance, all this stuff like close, um, dancing crotch touching dancing was like truly like so risque and so outrageous that like it needed to be foregrounded in people needed to be like there needs to be a movie about this well i just looked up the term lombada yeah because i'm getting really turned
Starting point is 00:03:12 around here lambata means a fast erotic Brazilian dance that couples perform with their stomachs touching cool okay but stomachs touching is interesting because i actually i don't i that's not what I saw really. Here is what I'll say. I mean, that feels like a sanitized way of saying what's also touching is what's right below your stomach. And that, you know what I mean? This was like a dance when I understood it. It was a dirty dance. It was like a fucking dance. Like that's what I understood Lomba. Well, she says it's erotic and, you know, and part of it is like the, in order for your stomachs to touch while dancing, your legs need to be in. Yes. What you're doing is putting is putting your legs in between each other so you're crotch to
Starting point is 00:03:57 crotch. I think this is more of a grind, like the advent of grinding in dance, right? Because really what I'm, I'm looking at another definition of Lombata. And it's saying that dancers generally dance with arched legs, the steps are side to side, even swaying at a time that the dance became popular, which is 1990, short skirts for women were in fashion and men were wearing long trousers. And so it was like this idea that like the women's skirts are swirling up as she spins around and kind of having thong underwear on was a part of this as well. So I think it was just, you're seeing a lot. This is again.
Starting point is 00:04:34 This is like, again, when the, and you, there's a, there's perfect examples of it shown early on of how, like, Jason and Ashley dance. Right. And how, like, all the white people dance is like, that's how people danced in this time, you know, just like all upper body nonsense, you know? Yeah. But here's my issue, though, is how. Oh, God, I've so, I don't, honestly, I don't even know where to be.
Starting point is 00:05:00 And I'm glad we're starting with just the pure definition of Lombada because. Yeah, this is important. This is important. This is actually important context and an important, you know, setting of the stage. Because to me, what I'm seeing is the Lombada is a couple's dance. Talking about stomach touching, sorry, my crotch is touching. For a lot of this movie, our main character, Nisha, is dancing the Lombada on her own. Well, she's doing like solo Lombada.
Starting point is 00:05:27 It's a kind of masturbation. In my mind, that's what I feel like the movie is showing. I feel like what the movie, this is a Golan and Globus movie, right? Am I right? Like, I feel like very much in this movie, the dance scenes are the sex scenes. Right. They are, in order to make this PG-13, the sex scenes are instead dance scenes, whether it's solo dancing, quote, unquote, or not.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Like, they are, that is, and it's, and let's, but let's be clear, she says that it is forbidden in Brazil to dance this dance because it's so erotically charged. And what we see over and over and over again is when she dances the Lombada, it causes men to go feral. Men begin to just attack like throughout the entire movie. It is absolutely every man is correctly portrayed as a true predile. or villain in this movie unable to control themselves. Yes. I mean, the idea of...
Starting point is 00:06:31 Because they need that rainforest to get burned. I mean, now, look... This is a climate change movie. Yes, we're going to get into all of this. Now, I just want to say that while this movie is called the Forbidden Dance, there were no formal government bands on this dancing, right? It was the idea, though, I think, that we were in a conservative time. This dance then kind of broke through those barriers, and it became, like, the number one
Starting point is 00:06:55 song on the pop charts. for a couple of weeks. So, I mean, again, I just, I was going to save this for the end, but I think it's worth bringing up here. In December of 1989, the producers said, hey, we need to make a Lombada dance. I really want you to keep these numbers in your head. December of 89, they're like, they're like to turn 10. Okay, I'm putting myself there.
Starting point is 00:07:16 I wasn't born. And they go, we need a script. Ten days later, they get a script. Okay, 10 days later, they get a script. It's a quick time. In January, they start shooting. The movie is released in March. It feels like a rich job.
Starting point is 00:07:32 It is the quickest film ever to be basically conceived, written, shot, and released. So much so that Roger Ebert visited the set to be like, this is the craziest thing ever. It was delivered to Columbia Pictures one day before the film's release just to be out the day of the other movie. Then you know what? They did a great job. I'm more impressed than before because I will say there is many times in my notes where I'm like, why are they dance? They haven't yet met.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Why are they already at a dance club together? There's so much connective tissue that the movie just does not give you. It just cuts from basically set piece to set piece montage to montage. But given the information you just told me, by the way, well done. It still holds together and they save the rainforest at the end. Well, I mean, that's the movie is. is dedicated to the rainforest. We would be here without this movie, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I don't know that we would. For a progressive plot for 1990, if you are wondering what we are talking about, I'll quickly tell you that this movie is about Nisa, a native Brazilian princess who travels to L.A. to stop an American corporation from destroying her rainforest home. When Nisa gets to L.A., she winds up working as a maid for Beverly Hills family where they have a son who loves dance, Jason. Jason and Nisa go out dancing, but Jason's friends hate Nisa because she's simply different. Well, I mean, no, they are bigots.
Starting point is 00:09:02 They're bigots. They are hateful, hateful racist bigots. Yes. And in every single way, they are villains. And everyone really in this movie is a straight up racist. I will, we can dig into all this. Just if you've not seen it, I will say Nisa then is disregarded by this group. She's out on the street.
Starting point is 00:09:23 She starts working in a club that's also like a brothel, but she's not doing the brothel stuff. She's just doing dancing. That's what they always say. And it's also like a leather club, but we'll get into that. And then finally, Jason rescues Nisa from this brothel. And they decide that they need to work together to stop this company from destroying the rainforest. And the only way to do that is to get on a television dance contest so they can spread the word. Spread the word. And that's like the brief overview. We're going to get into the witch doctors.
Starting point is 00:09:56 We're going to get into his, you know, Jason's girlfriend, Ashley. But that's just a little bit of the plot of the forbidden dance. Again, not Lombada. Yeah. Not Lombada the movie, but the Lombada. That is blowing my mind. I thought I just watched Lombada. Also, did you watch La Bamba? Oh, I've watched La Bamba. Don't worry about it. They played the song Lomba. I'm going to say conservatively 35 times. No, it was, when it came on at the end, I was like, wow.
Starting point is 00:10:29 They, it is, it is, the music in the movie, the song, rather, is relentless. Like you said, it's just, like, this is a movie that was conceived and released within 90 days. So it is truly like filling time. Filling, filling time. And it's so tough because I'm going to read. I'm going to be so for real right now. It's so for real. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:10:56 All right. Hold on. They're the dancing from our lead, Nisa, is terrible. Wow. You know, and she may be doing a wonderful portrayal of the Lombada. That might be just exactly what that looks like. I don't, I don't care. It's so horrible and strange.
Starting point is 00:11:17 And there's nothing to me. I mean, I guess you're both my, you can speak to it. But there was nothing. There was one scene with her in the curtain. Yes, very good. Yeah, where she's grinding into the curtain, I remember that scene very well. She had more chemistry with that curtain. Unlike Paul, I don't watch our movies on like two times speed.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I didn't watch this on. There's some scenes I will watch at 0.5. And that one I watched it at 0.5. Well, by the way, sometimes this movie is slowed down to 0.5 when they want to show something like a glass. Like this movie slows down and be like, hey, we're going to, if we're going to run through a hut, We're going to do it in film. Like, we need to get every moment. The thing that blew my mind to June's point is there's a point in the movie where there is
Starting point is 00:12:01 the quintessential training montage where they are meeting day after day after day after day to rehearse the Lombada. They're in different outfits. They're rehearsing to the song. Same place. So same place so that they can get on the kid Creole and the coconuts audition and get passed by Mama Coconut, wearing an Amy Sherman Palladino hat.
Starting point is 00:12:25 But can I just say the kid Creole and the coconuts does not speak to me as a large televised audience. But yet they are treating this as if it is the finale of one of the biggest shows on television. American Idol. Yeah. Like at its height. I loved the small stakes of it, though. I loved the small stakes the movie had that no room ever has more than about 15 people in it, even crowded clubs. But anyway, sorry, my point was, to June's point, we see them training for what appears to be weeks working on the dance and they never get better.
Starting point is 00:12:59 And in fact, when they do the audition, they seem to be worse. Like I was like, they've gotten worse at this. Yeah, the final product is pretty bad as well. The funniest thing about that training montage, though, is, you know, I was thinking back to like the training montage and dirty dancing, which to me is one of the finest training montages in any. movie. I carried the watermelon. And they're on the log and they're, you know, we know the move that they're going for. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:26 We know that that's the big lift coming up at the end. And they're going over it and they're going over it. And there's frustration sometimes. She's laughing. Sometimes she gets tickled. There's so many ways in which they deal with that big lift and that whole dance sequence. In this, they get frustrated by a turn in and a turnout. And then they get both of them very.
Starting point is 00:13:49 mad at each other. And it's not like, oh, it's like they're fucking pissed. Yeah. They're so mad at each other. Well, what's also interesting.
Starting point is 00:14:00 What's all, yes, but what's also interesting is she's a master. He's a learner. Right. She's been doing this. It's not framed like that.
Starting point is 00:14:09 It's not framed like that. It's almost like there's equals and they're not. He needs to be learning from her so that the catharsis of the movie, he's baby. Let's be. clear he's baby. Don't ever say that again.
Starting point is 00:14:22 And don't ever put him in a corner. Don't ever say that again. And don't put him in the corner. Jason is baby? Jason is baby. Jason is not baby. You don't want me to say Jason is baby? Jason is not baby.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I just want to give it to people so they can clip it. Jason is baby? Okay, cool. Thank you. Well, I mean, look, again, this movie is about a company from California that is just destroying the rainforest in Brazil. They are coming through letting all the natives know, hey, get out of here because we're burning this.
Starting point is 00:14:58 We're burning it to the ground, not chopping it down. They're burning down the rainforests. For what end? We don't know. It's Rutgerhauer's like twin brothers. Oh, my God. I wrote American Rutkerhauer too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:11 I wrote American Rutger Howard. I love that. Thank you. That guy. And so he comes in very harshly dry. his Jeep through one of their huts. And then to me, my favorite part, is when they are leaving out of anger,
Starting point is 00:15:26 they just drive over a small tree. Like the equivalent of like what the, what like the sad Christmas tree is and the Peanuts Christmas special. Like it's like they clearly work. We could do that. We could drive. We could hit that tree and it won't be that big.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Well, by the way, though, when they're driving through that hut, I see, this is where I was getting so confused because I thought that that looked like a bridal hut. that looked like, you know, she was maybe in there to get ready or to go into afterwards. Yeah, Nisa is, I think, getting married. That's what I thought. God, who was that guy?
Starting point is 00:15:59 She never mentions him again. No, I mean, look, Lisa, we are told that Nisa has spent a lot of time in the states studying the white man. Like, that's her own choice of words. Yeah, she goes, I've been there because she's like, let me deal with this, guys. I'll talk to Ruckerhauer. Hey, I know the white man. But then when she does come to L.A., it does seem like she's never studied the white man because the way that she says, and I don't want to be one of these racists in the movie, but the way that she says, chair man, it felt to me like she was saying a man that is also a chair. Which I enjoyed.
Starting point is 00:16:33 I really enjoyed her. Now, here's the thing, you know, I need to discuss Jason, Jason. Jason. Not me. Not Jay's son. You, Jason, because... So rarely do we find Jason's in our movie. Yeah, this is a good one.
Starting point is 00:16:53 This was a good one. Well, this Jason was presented when he was first in that bed and she gets a job in that house and the woman's walking her through and, you know, she opens the door and says, hey, don't clean in here if he's in here. And he's passed out on that bed. Yeah. That's my son. He's, you know, near do well. I thought, okay, he's eight. He's 18 if he's a day.
Starting point is 00:17:17 He's 19. He's just out of school. I also have this question. I'm wonderful young. Young Buck. Ideally, yeah. And because she's very young. Now, Paul, I'm watching these movies in post the last Epstein email drop.
Starting point is 00:17:30 I'm very, I'm not like, okay as a person after reading all of them. And I was like, how young is she? She looks too young. She looks too young. And I'm quickly Googling 26. Or 26. Okay, great. But I was like, oh, okay, he's going to be.
Starting point is 00:17:45 he's going to be a teenager. He, the next shot we see of him, he looks like a middle-aged man. It's inappropriate that he still lives at home and is being treated like a child by his parents. He's a grown man. In the movie Wall Street. Like he looks, that's how he carries himself. It looks like he doesn't have the hair of even a teenager.
Starting point is 00:18:09 He doesn't even have a baby face. No. You know what it is? Him and all his friends, Ashley, and weed and I wrote the names down somewhere. They all have a bunch of shitty names. They look like they are the runoff of the brat pack. They look like they're in a St. Elmo's Fire rip-off movie.
Starting point is 00:18:30 They look like they are adults. They should not be, they seem to be portraying high school kids and they are not at all. You know what it was. It was, you know, Jessica and I were talking about how the young kids, if they think someone's unattracted, they'll call them chopped. You know, their face is kind of chopped. And then if they think they look like a celebrity, but like not as good looking, they'll call them a chopper ganger. And that's what I felt like about all of the guys in this movie.
Starting point is 00:18:56 They all looked like chopper gangers, like that they should be those guys we remember from that time. And they are so not. I mean, our Jason, I want to talk about his hair. And I'm so glad you brought it up because the. The infrastructure. Yeah, go for it. The infrastructure of his hair is, I spent the entire movie just trying to figure it out. The highways and the byways.
Starting point is 00:19:26 The mainframe was so, so confusing. What's interesting, when it's, what's interesting about watching old stuff, both for this and also when I'm watching old episodes of Law and Order or old whatever's that, you know, I'm old movies and stuff is you really are shocked to remember. We've become so desensitized. Everybody now has some version of the same hairline. Everybody now has some version of the same stuff. Some version of the same stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:57 We now have figured enough things out that you forget that even then, back then, young people, you had to reckon with receding hairlines in their 20s. And like you watch it on moonlighting so much so that they have to start making jokes in the show about David Addison losing his hair because he can't go to Turkey and get a hair plug situation. I told you the story I think, but I'll tell it quickly here that when I was a child, I was such a fan of moonlighting that I went to my barber hairstylist and I said, can you make me look like this? And I gave him a picture of Bruce Willis for moonlighting. And they said, that's a receding hairline. And I was like, I want it. And luckily my babysitter was like, don't know. We have to
Starting point is 00:20:41 make sure his mom is okay with this. But that's the thing is like the many of the sex symbols of the time, Bruce Willis, Corbyn-Bernson, like people had receding hairlines. That's wonderful. And you're right. I do think there is definitely a diversity to hairline that that we don't see anymore. And that's too bad. And I totally get that. I think what I'm also saying, though, is like, we're talking about the front. I'm also talking about the back. It's both very long and at and sometimes quite short. It's so confusing. And there are times where he's,
Starting point is 00:21:20 he's dancing and dancing and you'll see the back lift up. Yeah. You know, it is so strange. Oh, no. The whole situation was, but you know that whole thing. Especially for someone who's in constant motion. But here, here, I'm going to say, like, I can speak to this as a man who is bald.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Like, when you are losing it, you don't want. want to cut it from any other spot. You're like, this, I'm disguising it. Like, like, and you see it all the time. You see that all the time. You see it for the, the puffed out the sides. It's the long the back. It's like, no, no, no. Trump. Yeah. You got it all over the place. Now, look. Do you, is his hair? Wait. No, he has good hair. Yeah. Before he's got great hair. Great, great hair, right? All right. We'll leave that on the side. Here's what I'll say. The hair that I loved is, of course, the witch doctor who just said, you know what? I'm losing it. And I am going to go. To me, this looks like a Fred Armisen's character.
Starting point is 00:22:11 You know He was amazing That says Joa is his name Joeah Joa is the tribal shaman Who is do it He's up to a lot of stuff I mean
Starting point is 00:22:23 He's got straight up Magic This guy is literally doing magic And everybody's just like Oh cool He does magic Okay we're in Why not
Starting point is 00:22:33 What I was fascinated by I mean So the character I can remember her name. She finds Nisha like a slump by a fountain. Carmen, thank you. Carmen is her name.
Starting point is 00:22:49 So the, like the horniest character in the movie. And by the way, I'm going to be, I'm going to be so for real again. The best dancing in the movie, as far as I'm concerned. Carmen. Is by Carmen in her own apartment just vibing out
Starting point is 00:23:05 and seducing Jolla. Jolla. Because she's playing airdrums. she's so free with her movement. She feels like she's moving to a song and everybody else feels like they're trying to remember steps. And she just had energy. Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:21 She had energy and it was interesting and I was like, I don't know what the fuck is going on, but I'm enjoying this and it was surprising and she was giving everything she had. You're right. Everybody else was like marking the beats. Yes. And trying to remember what the steps are. It felt like they were, they had been taught stuff versus. is Carmen just felt like she was living her best life.
Starting point is 00:23:44 And I was like, give me the Carmen movie. But by the way, is that part of the black magic of Joa? Because we do know that Joe has got, he can shoot fireworks out of his hand. He's got a little sack that freezes you. He, you know, and so he starts air drumming there. And it seems like, oh, he's just keeping himself entertained. But maybe he's like possessing the air. Like, he's kind of puppeteering Carmen.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I don't know. Because when he's air, he's air. air drumming, she gets so into it. Oh, that's an interesting greed. I feel like he's more powerful than we even know. Oh, yeah. He is like making love, you know. He's like big cat sounds. He's roaring like a tiger points or something.
Starting point is 00:24:25 He's doing all sorts of stuff. And when he leaves, when they somehow, I couldn't figure out why they needed to raise money to send him back home. No, I do. They do. And he shows back up at the end. Yes. It doesn't seem to have a lot of expendable cash. And why would Carmen want to get rid of him, aren't they in love now?
Starting point is 00:24:45 I'm rooting for them more than I am Jason and Nisa. I think they needed to send him home to get the king. Because the king does make the appearance at the end of the movie. Yes, on the Kriol and the Coconut's Show. Yes. So we got to get the king. Because I guess the original plan was, let's send Nisa, our daughter, who knows the way of the white man. to break into the corporation of Petrimaco and a name that just kind of falls off the tongue.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And she was, I don't know what her plan was besides just kind of breaking into his office and saying, Let's talk to him, I guess. And so when that plan goes awry, Joa gets arrested. She is now left just alone in the city. They have no plan. The plan is over the minute they don't get into the CEO's office. So then the plan is let's win a dance contest. to get the word out about the destruction of the rainforest.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Even that's not a plan until much later because first she becomes a maid, then she loses that job, but meets Jason. Then she works in the dance club slash brothel. By the way, that's so upsetting. I need to talk about the woman who has a switchblade in her bra. Eyebrows. I was obsessed with, I'm obsessed with 70s and 80s movies obsession with switchblades, which, I think is a 1950s nostalgia for like greaser switchblades, you know, like the gangs, the gangs of the 50s, you know, like Fonzie switchblade type stuff.
Starting point is 00:26:20 But like her having a switchblade just like click as if that's the most threatening thing that's ever existed. Well, I think that that guy thinks that he's, you know, she's going to chop off his dick. Oh, yeah. Because by the way, that guy who just gets out of the one of the brothel rooms, like is immediately done comes out shirt off looking like like again like a real poor man's albundi stomach out just kind of goes up to knee says like you're next speaking speaking of june this might as well have been filmed on little st james i don't know what this i don't know where this place was very terrible but it is i'm pretty
Starting point is 00:26:56 sure some of our cabinet members were in there yeah and and that main lady was a real galane maxwell i mean it was real it was really like she'll get comfortable When she's comfortable, you can come back. Oh, God. Just because I just found it, his friend's names are Dave, Kurt, and Weed. Oh, my God. And by the way, they are all, like we said, they are all straight up racist. Like, they meet Nisa.
Starting point is 00:27:21 By rapists. They're rapists and racist. And honestly, one of the big problems I had of this movie was their apology at the end, which is such a non-apology. It's like, yeah, I'm sorry. that happened. I'm sorry, we lost control. And then she says, no problem. Yeah. No problem. And we move on. Well, she's forgiving. I mean, she saw them for what they are. And she'll never trust them again. How about this? You know who never apologizes and never gets their comeuppance is fucking Ashley, who sucks so hard and is the worst.
Starting point is 00:27:59 The worst villain of the entire movie. When she's in the car with American Rutger Hauer, and he says you're just like your mother and she says I'm outside like her but inside I'm all daddy and he like holds her face in his hand I was like I want this car to blow up I hated every second of it well it looks like you've taken after your mother
Starting point is 00:28:24 only on the outside inside I am all daddy you must be one confused little girl hardly now you're still the hired gun for Petramco, aren't you? What do you want? It seems we have a mutual acquaintance.
Starting point is 00:28:43 A certain Indian princess? I know an Indian princess. Oh, please. Save your act for the unwashed. I know she's as big a pain in the ass for Petramco as she is for me. So, I thought it's about time we do something about her. Where can I find her? At this club creation, Jason and Nisa have been rehearsing here every after They're preparing a dance audition for the Kid Creole show.
Starting point is 00:29:10 And if they make the audition, they're on national TV. I won't allow that to happen. Well, I didn't think you would. We can't let them go on TV and preach anti-American propaganda now, can't we, Ashley? What are you going to do to her? Let's just say I would do anything you wouldn't approve of. Awful. And I was like, she's a real villain.
Starting point is 00:29:33 And nothing, she never has any. Well, she doesn't win. She doesn't get to perform on Kid Creole and the coconuts. No, she doesn't get to do that. And I do believe she is someone who now would be like full MAGA. I mean, she also, she does hire somebody, right? That guy, does she hire that cowboy guy? Like, the common, like, kind of wreck the show at the end?
Starting point is 00:29:55 I think what she does, I couldn't remember. I couldn't actually figure out what the plan was. She sells them out. To the Tetrako guy. To American. Rutgerhauer who works for Petra Company so that he then gets them kidnapped. How was she getting a line into Petrimco or whatever? Her dad.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Who know? Her dad used to work with him. Okay. And then why is Rutger Hower back in the States? He's like a behind the scenes fixer. He's like a villain fixer. Got it. Who works with all the big corporate, you know, villains to help them make the ozone
Starting point is 00:30:31 worse, I guess. I mean, this is the look, we can't. dig in on the climate change is very hard to kind of break down. This is why people don't believe it exists. You know, this movie, I think, simplifies. We didn't move the cause forward with this. Well, look, I mean, so much of the, so many of the clumsy themes of this movie could not be more present for right now. It is chilling.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Oh, but by the way, I did feel like everyone in this movie was MAGA, though. Yes. I mean, there are so many, like, slurs in this movie. First of all, she's Brazilian. Casual. Casual slurs. casual and like she's Brazilian. And there are times though, before she opens her mouth and has any sort of like Portuguese accent, before they're, they all are like scum trash.
Starting point is 00:31:15 I'm like, if you are racist, well, you are racist. We're going to find out in two seconds. But on what basis right now in this moment, she has brown hair? By the way, they are also in Beverly Hills. They are in Los Angeles, right? Even in the 90s, I have to imagine that these people live in a. diversity. And they treat like Beverly, like, take that shit to the
Starting point is 00:31:39 East Side Clubs as if like... You'd be surprised how Maga Beverly has been. I get it. But I'm not surprised. Hell's always defending the rich. I mean, I try to, you know, because they keep me they keep me fed. I will. There was a really funny line
Starting point is 00:31:55 when they, you know, she gets all those like slurs out, but she doesn't really take them in and then she starts dancing. But she does say to Nisa does say to Jason, she said, I wrote this then, 50 years ago, the government of Brazil forbid this dance because it's too sexy. For it to be too sexy for Brazil. In the 40s?
Starting point is 00:32:16 That's pretty amazing. I guess maybe in the 40s, I guess in the 40s you couldn't do this dance. But when she does it, like I guess, again, I feel like the dance with the curtain was sexier than what we ever see on TV. It's never feels. The Lombada is a terrible dance. It's a, it is a, it's not. a dance. It's sort of like a hip movement. It's completely soulless and joyless. I hated it. You want to feel like you're watching two people, fuck. And I guess we answered the first question,
Starting point is 00:32:46 which is like, I don't know if I want to watch Jason fuck. And I don't think that she is as good as a dancer to come. Like, she was best when she was alone. It's interesting because we have existed, most of our lives have existed in what I would say is like a renaissance of dance movies. Right. Subsequent to this movie, we have a lot of very good dance movies that have populated the 90s and 2000s. Prior to this, I think June, you're mentioning dirty dancing. There really were very few movies that had dance as a component to it.
Starting point is 00:33:24 And I do think this movie, and I suspect a Lombada, which I thought we had watched, were We're really all about the erotic nature of dance being transgressive. You know. Also, dance is usually, usually in most dance movies, dance is a class issue. Dance is an economic differentiator. And it is sort of in this movie, too, although I couldn't. I know what you're saying Jason about like the White Beverly Hills people in the dance club are sort of just using their arms.
Starting point is 00:33:57 I actually couldn't quite figure out what the real difference was in the dancing even. It didn't seem like watching Ashley dancing. It was just the closeness of their crotches. I feel like the camera is telling you what's different. Yeah, the camera's telling you by focusing on their midsections. It's saying this is the controversial thing we are willing to show. This movie is about this. And this is so outrageous that it's making people in the crowd.
Starting point is 00:34:27 want to reach out and touch them because they want they're so absolutely turned on by this crazy dancing you know now but now but now is i think what they're trying to tell you that's what i think i'm doing a little work for the movie but i think that's what it's it's unsuccessful but that's what it's trying to show but the calypso or king clam or whatever his name is he is also okay kid creole on the coconuts very real band very real band how dare you Kid Creole and the Cocodots, which they do perform a song that I had a lot of problems with. Was it called The Horror? Yes.
Starting point is 00:35:06 I love that song. That was the best song in the movie. I mean, that was in it. I feel like they're kind of like Latin, disco, Caribbean. So they're open to this kind of music. I guess the idea is like, Kid Creole is the only person that will accept this kind of dancing. I don't even know if. I don't know. I mean, yeah. I think this is just the audition that's happening.
Starting point is 00:35:28 And I would say that that could be true if our other dancers like Ashley, et cetera, weren't trying so desperately to also win a spot on the Kid Creel competition. Yeah, because if Nisa hadn't shown up, Jason and Ashley would have been doing regular dancing to try and still try and get in on Kid Cruel and the coconuts. You know, that is just the audition that's available that is going to, I guess, be the platform that changes the world? I mean, when it's revealed, when Kid Creole like takes in the information from the king and from our witch doctor and from Nisha and Jason, like, oh yeah, this company and they're making plastic and you know they're on every product and they're causing this and they're taking
Starting point is 00:36:13 over and, you know, Kate Creole is like kind of takes it in like, oh, wow. Okay. And then he's like, yeah, I mean, man, I guess I'm not going to buy any of those products anymore. The same Petramco that we find on the supermarket shelves. That's the one. We buy products they make every day. Not me. Not anymore. The rainforest is too important. I say if Petramco is destroying the rainforest, well then
Starting point is 00:36:36 we should just boycott their ass. Okay, back to dancing. He says, we should boycott their stuff. And that is the last line of the movie. And then more dialogue. No. It's just dancing. And it's also. So like, I guess my point is it feels like for all that, the end moment is like, yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 00:37:01 Wouldn't you love to live in that world? Wouldn't you love to live in a world in which people can win a dance contest, get on Kid Creel and the coconuts on TV. He calls for a boycott and substantial change happens. But to me, I'm also like, we don't know what this company even does. I'd love to know what their products are. We don't know what they're, like it feels to me like they could be drilling for oil. We don't know what they are doing. So to boycott their products, it does feel like, like, oh, okay, well, I wonder what they're behind.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Like, you know, because it doesn't say, hey, we should stop buying their toilet paper and they're this and they're that. He just says a stop. And I guess, I don't know, for an audience of what, six to 700 people. Again, this looks like a very local show. It looks like a very local show. Although I did say to June while we were watching it, are those cue cards in two? intentional or are they indicative of the shorter
Starting point is 00:37:54 period of time of making this film? I think they were trying to show this. That is, there's a TV show filming. You know what I mean? Like that is a visual cue to tell you this is a TV show. Got it. Because there weren't a lot of other
Starting point is 00:38:10 visual cues to tell you this was the TV show. Right, because it looks exactly like the same club that you saw in the beginning. It just looks like another scene in the dance club. Yes. Oh my God. I have a quick. How did the shaman fly back from Brazil with a snake in his bag? Well, I mean, using black magic. I mean, a very big snake.
Starting point is 00:38:31 I mean, is that bag like a Hermione Granger bag that has like a limitless volume inside of it? Jason, I mean, let's even go to, let's ask one question before that. How did they both get here without passports? They don't seem to have any ID, any money. They just seem to have gotten on a plane. I think actually one of the characters does say, like, how did you get? And she's like, never mind that. Let's let's put that on on the side over here.
Starting point is 00:38:58 I did find it kind of crazy, kind of crazy that she put on her boss's dress and went out in it. Well, his son gave it. Didn't the son give it to her? Yes. But we don't see, we don't see them meet. She sees him passed out on the bed. And the next scene, they're walking into the club. And she's saying, I feel bad.
Starting point is 00:39:19 No, he's checking her out. Right? He checks her out during the curtain dance. But then he gets on the phone with Ashley and Ash is like, I can't go tonight. And he's like, oh, he's so mad. And it cut to Nisha walking in with him. We never see what happened there and how she got his mom's dress. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:40 And also how it fits her so good. That mom's body must be incredible. And then it also, then she marches back into the house. Like, like ain't nothing happened here. Yeah, that was a bad look for Nisa. The mom's real concern seems to be dry cleaning. She's like, I just had to, oh, now I got to bring her back to the dry cleaner. Like, as if she sweats so much in it.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Well, I mean, they did go dancing. Yeah, I would bring it to the dry cleaner. They never look like they're catching a sweat. And we've watched plenty. I've watched a save the last dance. I've seen. I mean, I'm getting that dress dry cleaned. Oh, you have to get it dry clean.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Yeah. You got to get it dry cleaned. Drag queen? Drag queen. We got to get that dress. drag queen. You got to get the drag queens back in it. Man, oh man. So, all right. So I loved, I loved how scared the parents were that he was dancing so much. He, Jason repeatedly turns down alcohol because he's driving. We never see them doing drugs. He's nothing. He's portrayed as nothing,
Starting point is 00:40:41 but a genuinely good boy whose only vice is dancing. The best, the best line was at one point. But during this conversation where his parents are really going after him for dancing, he says, Mother I Dance. Your father and I don't feel it's fair to us that you spend your time running in and out of dance clubs. Mother, I dance. I like it and I'm good at it. I mean, this is very footloose coated. Like, I mean, they're like, we're from Beverly Hills.
Starting point is 00:41:15 We don't dance. Which would then also, if I'm writing this movie, and again, They only wrote in 10 days, so give him a lot of credit. Like, he should be leaving Beverly Hills to go downtown, to go to different clubs. See how the other side. That's where he's dancing. Well, that's the thing. Baby goes to where the other people are dancing, sexy, not how.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Patrick's, Patrick Swayze's teaching, like, proper, like ballroom dancing at the resort, but they're doing dirty dancing in the club at night. And Baby has to go there. Jason Baby doesn't go anywhere. learn the Lombada. The Lombada just comes to him. And he's basically dancing as like... Jason Baby needs a Swayze. We do.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Jason Baby needs a Swayze. That's the T-shirt. I mean, there it is, Molly. It's a personal ad. It's a personal ad. Jason Baby needs a Swayze. Oh, I love that. I do believe that like,
Starting point is 00:42:08 even the club that they're at is essentially like the Max from Saved by the Bell at night. Right? It's like, you know, it looks just like the max. And there's nothing but going on. but then when the DJ plays, hey, I'm going to play the Lombada, the entire dance floor clears out. Like, no one's on a dance floor but them. And I'm like, at that point, you're a bad DJ because you're playing a song that clears the dance floor and you don't change a damn thing.
Starting point is 00:42:35 So the DJ. What's also interesting is then Nisa and Jason step out and they start dancing and it's going so well that everybody jumps in and is like turned on by the music. Like the movie is trying to tell us, I feel like the rest of the movie's plot wants us to believe they're the underdogs. But like every time they do the dance, it catches on. So they are nothing but like they're not being held down. They're only being lifted up in every one of the dance sequences, you know. So I guess the idea is like it's taking everybody by storm. But we never really get that because even his friends at the end, they apologize for being racist.
Starting point is 00:43:14 But I think they're really apologizing just because they won the contest. and rapist. But I do also want to talk about the power of this dance because I do think there is something to be said for, like how it hypnotizes men. When we see those men, look, they're creepy, but they also seem completely hypnotized by her. Do you mean the three or four men in a dance circle? Yes, in the business suits, just staring at her. That was so interesting to me.
Starting point is 00:43:46 People in let it's a leather club. I mean, there are people in full like S&M gear on a stage and on platforms. There's a confusing. I will say there's a confusing amount of contradictory subcultures represented in very few number of people in this club. Yes. That's why I'm like, we're, we might be reading too much because there's just, there's not a lot of people to look at. Yeah, and everybody seems to represent a different subsect of the culture or of a subculture, which was, I just felt like the movie, they just were throwing everything at the movie. And in a lot of ways, nothing ends up sticking because you're just like, what, what am I following exactly?
Starting point is 00:44:33 And boy, do I wish they would be getting better at dancing. And they are just not. Yeah, they are just not. You know, now I am, I mean, this movie. Look, did it make me question, you know, what these companies are doing to the rainforest? Absolutely. Why? Because I was brought in through sex.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Sex sells. Why aren't we doing more sex with our PSAs? Like, that's what I think that I'm getting from this movie. Let's make sexy PSAs from now on. You know? Show a little, show a little butt. Show a little leg. Show a little chest.
Starting point is 00:45:09 You know what I'm saying? Let's get the word out. This is like, this is a movie that is like that is a. about an erotically charged dance at a time that is very conservative. Like we were coming out of the very conservative 80s, the religious right, the Reagan era kind of conservatism that is, you know, and we're about to be in the period of the PMRC and labeling music. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Finally talking about what this movie is trying to get out there. Yes. And the Lombada was the thing that. is about to get out of jail. Manuel Noriega is finally captured, right? Germany was reunified. I guess I just wish it was a sexy dance. I would love it.
Starting point is 00:45:59 I would love it as well. I just wish she was. I do too. You know what confounded me. When they arrive at Carmen's apartment and she offers that she and needs to, sleep on the couches in the living room and that Jason has the bed. And I was so, and now I know he's just been beat up, right? Like, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:46:26 He's always throwing punches, though. That's fine. But you're not going to catch me offering a man a bed while I sleep on the couch. Like, that was just so wild for the couch, June. The movie both wants Jason to be, he needs to learn from Nisa. but also it's a white savior movie for him. You know what I mean? It's trying to have it both ways,
Starting point is 00:46:53 which is, you know, just terrible. And he is like the prince who is like, oh, well, you're the man, so you get the bed and we'll be out here. But I couldn't then figure out, and I'll just push back one level is, is Carmen trying to carve out space for Jason and Nisa to have the bed together?
Starting point is 00:47:10 Is she like, is she foresee it? She's like, because she's basically, like, why don't you go get in there? And then she slides a condom under the door. So maybe part of it. In my mind, I'm Carmen. I'm doing a lot of physical labor during the day. I'm going to sleep in my own bedroom. Fuck yeah. I'm a grown fucking woman. I'm going to sleep in my own bedroom. And I will, I will retire early and let you two young bucks.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Befowl my couch? Yeah, have the couch and do what you need to do out there. but I'm not offering up my bed for a stranger to have sex in, a strange man. But June, but doesn't she, don't you think that she's doing that for the good of the rainforest? She's like, they have to fuck so they win the contest. So that he can save the day. So why can save the day? Yeah. I mean, this is the thing.
Starting point is 00:48:00 You know what this movie interestingly, in contrast to so, so, so many of our other movies, this movie has no zero exposition dumps. This movie has no plot recaps. No characters ever say what their plan is, what they're trying to do, or recap where they are in the process. It is just happening to...
Starting point is 00:48:24 It feels as though the movie is happening to them in real time. Well, you said this thing about... You know, you said, oh, well, you know, they're practicing for weeks. I believe that this whole movie takes place over the course of, you know, four or five days, yeah. Same. And I just based that on outfit changes.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Oh, yeah, I know. But it did. It also, I had the same thought as Paul. I think this is maybe the 48 hour period. But maybe. I also couldn't understand how much time went by at the club because I kind of think we were supposed to believe that because of the Lombada, because for prize Lombada lady, that business was boomed.
Starting point is 00:49:06 because they had a sign out there. Well, right. There's more men than we've seen so far. They're making a lot of money there. Switched lady, you mean? Switched lady, yeah. And then our security guard is in a really nice suit all of a sudden.
Starting point is 00:49:20 So I'm like, oh, is she? I love that security guard. You know, she the big whale. Like, is she really like making coin here? She's in demand. They're setting her up to both be this incredibly desired dancer who is also pure. She has not, she doesn't do any of the upstairs work.
Starting point is 00:49:40 They say so many times that she hasn't yet taken anybody upstairs into like the bedrooms. You know, and then she says to Jason, I'll take you upstairs so you're my first. You know, which I was like, what is happening in this movie? That was the only scene though that was at least, no, I didn't understand it because she switches like seconds later and is like trying to save him. But at least in that moment where she's like so angry with him and. angry about everything that's happened. And she's telling him she's going to take him upstairs. And he's like, no, no, no, I don't want you to.
Starting point is 00:50:13 I don't want you to. At least I was like, oh, something interesting is happening between these two people. It's, I don't really understand why, but I am engaged in whatever conflict this is. Well, wouldn't it have been interesting if the movie, I mean, and this isn't the movie we watched, obviously, but if the movie was interrogating him, Richie Rich, Rich Beverly Hills kid, really having to go into another world because of meeting and encountering this woman. And it is about, like you were saying, June, class. And it is about, you know, race. And it is about all these elements that are in this movie, but are just really not being spoken to, really.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Yeah. Right. No, no. He doesn't have time for that, guys. Doesn't have time for that. All right. Yeah, we got to do the Lombata again. I mean, this guy, we're realizing that through dance, he's not a racist like all of his friends. he's also not a rapist like all of his friends. Yeah, he's in Beverly Hills, but maybe sleeping during the day and he's a vampire. Like, you know, he's getting his life force from something different. And I don't know.
Starting point is 00:51:14 I would love if it turned out that he was a vampire. I would love to see. I mean, he is more physically violent than I would assume for a character like this. He breaks the traditional mold of a Beverly Hills rich kid. He doesn't have any of those things. Like, you know, and I feel like he's always throwing punches in fights that he is not going to win. And what does he break? ankle from like go at a four foot drop.
Starting point is 00:51:36 From falling. Yeah. From falling like so little. Yes. So little. Like a curb is like a double curb. Uh, you know. It's such a short way.
Starting point is 00:51:44 And luckily, he hangs, he's hanging there for like maybe six or seven seconds. He has zero upper body strength. Like he could have, he could have held on for long. He is. Which is shocking because so much of his Beverly Hills dancing is upper body. Is just upper body. You'd think his shoulders and arms would be just jacked. I laughed so hard when he fell.
Starting point is 00:52:08 I mean, it was truly such a short distance. I was also like, you knew you were falling that distance. Like, if I was up there, I would look down. You have the time to kind of cushion that fall as best as possible. I did not think there was any reason he should have broken ankles. Yeah. Especially as a dancer. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:30 But thank God the shaman is there with the snake to heal him. Thank God. With a venomous snake bite, I assume. I mean, incredible stuff. And by the way. I think it's interesting. It's something that I find captivating about this is she is positioned in a way that is people are captivated by her. People cannot take their eyes off of her.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Her movement is hypnotic. Everything. People are driven feral by her presence. And what is it 20 years later? she plays such a similar role in Mulholland Drive. Oh, yeah. Laura Herring, you know, like, still has this magnetic appeal that is, that David Lynch uses to be like, oh, I cannot, this person is entrancing in some way.
Starting point is 00:53:20 This person is somehow I cannot, is captivating me in some way. There's a link there that I was like, oh, wait a minute, this is Laura Herring from Mulholland Drive. Yeah. Well, listen, she is. captivating. She is, she's like a five-time Miss America, right? Like she's got like a crazy past.
Starting point is 00:53:40 But here's the problem with the movie. Laura Herring is absolutely captivating. And I could watch her all day. But she's not captivating as a dancer. And if we had just photographed her and filmed her in this movie doing something else and leaving the, you know, I think she would be captivating. But in here, inside this movie, once she's dancing, and we're not really just on her face, it falls apart. No, we need, yeah, the movie needed, because dance is the transaction that needs to, like, emotionally get you there.
Starting point is 00:54:14 The dancing just doesn't seal the deal. I would be curious, and perhaps forgive me, Paul, if this research has already been done. I would be curious for us to do the other Lombata move. Well, this is viewed as the worst of the two, but I am so down to take you up on that because, again. And maybe it's not worth it. I genuinely mean that. I'm not saying we should, but I'm curious. I'm just curious as a, as a comparison. I would, I would love to see, I would actually love to see the Lombada, I would love to see a better Lombada. Well, let me tell you something about the other Lombada film. They do not use the song Lombada,
Starting point is 00:54:54 nor do they dance the Lombada in the other Lombada because I believe, they had the name but not the song, and this one has the song, but not the name. Exactly. And, I mean, the story here, I'll just give you a little bit more of it here. You said that this is, you know, a Golan, Golblis, you know, kind of thing. So basically, the producer-writer of this is Menim Golan. And, you know, he comes, obviously with Yoram Globus. And so they have that studio we've done a lot of different movies about. And they basically, him and his cousin, they turn out like 125 movies in the 80s, right? So it's like all the Chuck Norris movies, everything that we've really done in the show. But in 87, things start going bad for canon films. They kind of have all these flops like Superman 4 and Master of the Universe, which we also did in the show. They are facing bankruptcy. And basically, Golan says, you know what?
Starting point is 00:55:47 It's all Globus's fault. And he leaves to start his own company. And the cousins don't speak anymore. But then when Lombata becomes this phenomenon, both of them are racing into production to make this their savior movie. Oh, so wait a minute. So the two Lombada movies, one is Golan and one is Globus? Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:56:08 Oh, that's incredible. So then Globus goes, my film's going to be released on May 4th. And then Golan's like, mine will be released on April 6th. And then there are like these lawsuits. That's how Lombata's pulled from the name. And then Golan gets the song. And then Globus does not get the song. And then Golan takes out a two-page ad and variety.
Starting point is 00:56:32 announcing that the forbidden dance is going to open in March. And then, and it's in variety. It says, I'm proud and honored to have had the opportunity to create the one and only original Lombada film that truly depicts the Lombada dance. And then Globus is like, fuck, I got to release mine at the same time. And so, yeah. So that makes so much more sense than why these exist. It's because it seems like it's personal.
Starting point is 00:57:01 Yes. And so basically, yeah. It feels like antagonistic towards each other, not just randomly two people came up with the same idea. No, it's a guy who basically have created trash both chasing the same trash and ethics. And basically, Lombata, I think because of the name recognition, makes $2.9 million on opening weekend, opening at number eight. Meanwhile, the forbidden dance makes $721,000 and comes in 14th place. So, like, so, you know, Lombada wins. Lombada always is winning. I mean, here's the reality.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Here's the reality. The audience wins. The audience wins with two different Lombada movies. Obviously, look, there's so much to break down here, but I think that what we understand is this movie worked. It stopped and protected the rainforest. It has created so many great things. And we had some problems with it, but there are people out there that think this is a perfect movie. it is now time for second opinions.
Starting point is 00:58:28 You'll be happy to know that there are less than a thousand reviews for this film. So this is not a film that's really broken through, but 82% of them are five-star reviews. And Mishy in 2018 writes, I love this movie as a teen. As an adult, still a good movie. touches on a few ecological issues too, which is what pulled me to it as a teen. Recommend watching five stars. A few ecological issues. What are the, I mean, one, it just seems like don't destroy the, it doesn't seem like it gets into the nitty gritty in any way beyond.
Starting point is 00:59:04 No, we're not getting into like fossil fuels or anything else other than just like the Amazon rainforest. Yeah, it really is the ozone layer and the destruction of the rainforest, which in this time period, is the only climate change level event. You know, we're not talking about clean coal here. No, yeah. This is, I don't even really understand the plan just to burn it all down. It does seem like that's a waste of... Well, that's the thing that's so funny is like this kind of a movie like, you know, your Saturday
Starting point is 00:59:35 night fevers, your, you know, your dance type, your dirty dancing. It really is about the dance that really allows you to become yourself or to reach to, Right. To dance your own steps or to win the contest. But in this case, winning the contest means saving the rainforest. It is, the stakes are so big. The movie exists on such a small street level that the, that its message is massive. Well, and that's in the idea, ideally, since they're burning it down, my thought is that it's primarily probably for like cattle ranching or agriculture in some way. So this is the company of their boycotting. They're like, don't eat meat. So is it also a movie that.
Starting point is 01:00:20 They say that the company, you know that company. Their products are in your supermarkets. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, are they a food company? I mean, like, again, it's when I'm looking at why you're burning down the rainforest, you're talking about mining for gold or copper or oil. Agriculture. It doesn't seem, but again, we have to, that's why we need the prequel about petricle. The Rosencrantz and Gilder's turn of this film.
Starting point is 01:00:45 This movie from Akbar is a little sexually charged, written in April 14th of 2002. Akbar writes, this was the most sensuous movie I've ever seen. When you try to be sensuous, it often doesn't work. But when you make a movie like this one and allow a talent to express, the results are here in this movie. Bow wow. Oh, five stars. I wish it hadn't ended with bow wow. Five stars.
Starting point is 01:01:14 I can't right now, Paul. And I will just end with Sweet Cherry for you on IMDB, who gave it 10 out of 10 stars. And Sweet Cherry says, although this movie obviously didn't attract many viewers, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen with music and dance. The Forbidden Dance is not only entertaining for the viewers, but it also lets everyone know that there are problems in the world that people need to think about, such as the rainforest issue. 10 stars. The rainforest issue, yes, we are not talking about the rainforest issue. So, I mean, I will say on some level, releasing a mainstream movie as the, like that is the message. It's not to say, like you said, not to save the rec center, not to save something.
Starting point is 01:01:57 It's like, it's a big issue. And I do think that that's probably the boldest part of it. Oh, I mean, I mean, for, I would say for a Globus and Golem kind of movie to have it have a, an ecological message is kind of shocking. Yeah. And, you know, the ozone hole has been healed. Yeah. So there we go.
Starting point is 01:02:22 We did it. I guess because of this movie. I guess this movie's mission accomplished on the aircraft carrier? I will say I did hear the joa did fly in an F-16 jet with a snake and put the snake to where the hole in the ozone was and it sucked it closed. I mean, that snake can, it can suck out venom. suck out broken bones and it can fix the ozone layer. He's going to get Joe up there with the snake. I do just want to one more time,
Starting point is 01:02:50 please. Remind everybody that at the audition, not at the final, but at the audition, the judge, the judge's name is Mama Coconut. I really, I really, that was important to me. I was, I don't want, I want to foreground that. And I know I said she's wearing an Amy Sherman Palladino had earlier because this character appears to be dropped in.
Starting point is 01:03:14 I believe she is genuinely Kid Creole's manager or something because... First of all, her energy, Mama Coconut's energy while watching that and also like looking at Kid Creole, like it was so fascinating, in fact. Like it was like...
Starting point is 01:03:29 She was so happy. Yes. Yes. She was so lit up inside that I couldn't... To your point, it felt like she never been on screen before. She just looked so happy. to be there. Certainly wasn't playing any sort of discernment or like wasn't sort of reminding
Starting point is 01:03:49 us of the stakes of this really intense audition. Once again, the dance captivated everyone, including Mama Coconut. Right. But Mama Coconut was also seemed captivated by our villains' dance. Like she was just seemed so like there was no critical eye from her. I think she was happy to be in a movie. I let me tell you. Can I just tell you just again, you know, we're talking about a real person here. Mama Coconut is now, is, the lead singer of this band is August Darnel, all right? And Mama Coconut is now Darnel's wife, you know, or sorry. I believe the coconuts were the Kid Creole and the coconuts, I believe, are the female singers. Okay. So Darnel's now wife, Eva Tudor Jones, was Mama Coconut for more than 20 years. And now she manages all of their operations. And they're still on tour.
Starting point is 01:04:43 You can go see them this year, as a matter of fact. They're in Europe right now as we speak. So, you know, there's a lot going on in the coconut world. I will say this, June, I know that you said that you needed to speak a little bit about the sexiest kiss you've ever seen on film when Jason and Nisa kiss and how they really are sucking in lips there. It was disgusting. Wait, when? I don't remember. They're on a bet.
Starting point is 01:05:08 Maybe it was one they were in Carmen's apartment. Yeah, I think that's one of them. happens, right? Oh, okay. It was so disgusting. And it was like there's no tongue because they kept on there was like a side view. And so we just kept on watching their faces. Their lips mash into each other. Open, open mouth. This like sort of like, you know, two fish, like two fish going at each other. Sure. But I'm going to use this word. I hate to say this, but it looked so dry. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Look like, like too dry mouths like fish, fish on the side. sand kind of like the kiss that i got that i was very disturbed by there's a kiss during the dance sequence where why so much kissing during the dance sequence where he puts her onto the ground of the lays her down on the floor of a nightclub and kisses her on the ground i was like this is disgusting this is get out of there you guys both need a shower now jesus it was so gross
Starting point is 01:06:11 It was so gross. Would you recommend people watch this film? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've enjoyed talking to you too about it. And Paul, I do feel like we enjoyed it last. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:06:25 It's such a wrong word to use. But we watched it and we had some laughs. We definitely watched the movie. We definitely watched it and it wasn't too long. It wasn't too long. At one hour and 35. If it had been even 10 more minutes longer, I would have hated it. But it really...
Starting point is 01:06:41 It really was the right length. It really was the right length. And it wasn't, you know, and I'd say most of the movie is a montage. Yeah. So you really don't have to pay complete attention. No, and then sometimes that's when characters will say something. Was that established? No, it wasn't.
Starting point is 01:06:56 And again, the MVP for me is, of course, Joa. Today's episode, of course, is, you know, to support the rainforest, just like the movie. I think we need to start, you know, kind of putting a post credits tag on our show. You know, it's dedicated to the rainforests. Well, I guess, yeah, I know, like, so let's make that a special promise. I would love that. And listeners, if you have any money left over after pledging your financial support to the rainforest, you can pledge your support to how did this get made by buying a T-shirt designed for this very episode.
Starting point is 01:07:26 You can check out all of our merch. Just go to hdtgm.com. But for this episode, we do have a t-shirt design that could be made into a sticker or sweatshirt, whatever you want. It's like a newspaper personal ad that says, Jason Baby needs a Swayze. Just a guy who likes to dance looking to learn the exotic Lombata care of HDTGM. Yeah, it doesn't really read as funny as it is, but it is great.
Starting point is 01:07:53 We'll put the link to the shirt in the show's notes. And for all of our t-shirt designs, like I said, just click on that merch link. You can get it made into a mug, a backpack, a sweatshirt, whatever you want. We are back at Largo, April 1st. If you don't know what movie we're doing on April 1st, and you got to take. tickets. Well, just check out the website, but I'll tell you right here too. It's the Pierce-Brosnan action flick live wire. As always, if you have a correction or omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619, P-A-U-L-A-S-K, or write a comment on our Discord at Discord at Discord.G-Sh-H-D-T-G-G-G-G-M. And I'll respond to your messages next week on last looks. Jason will also join me to chat about my visit to the Jackass, a five-set, Nirvana of the band, the movie. Yeah, we recorded this a little while ago and some TV shows that we are currently loving.
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