How Did This Get Made? - The Odd Life of Timothy Green w/ Tim Heidecker (Classic)

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Tim Heidecker joins Paul, June, and Jason to break down the 2012 fantastical dramedy The Odd Life of Timothy Green starring Jennifer Garner and Joel Edgerton. They cover Timothy’s relationship with Baby Mila Kunis, the Titanic portrait drawing scene, Common sizing up kids to be on a soccer team, the pencil factory, and so much more. Jason teared up, Tim genuinely liked the movie for what it is, while Paul and June were not fans. (Ep. #54 Originally Released 01/22/2013) • Join our Vulture Movies Fantasy League at vulture.com/hdtgm • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more • Leave us a voicemail at speakpipe.com/hdtgm • Submit your Last Looks theme song here • Join our Discord at discord.gg/hdtgm • Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/ • Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma • Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com • Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer • Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer • Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer • Subscribe The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb • Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com • Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast • Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane • Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer • Jason is not on social media • Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodes Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Infertility, gardening, and common. We saw the odd life of Timothy Green, so you know what that means. Hello, people of earth, and welcome to how did this get made? I am Paul Scheer, joined as always by Jason Manzukas. How are you, Jason? I'm good. How are you? And June, Diane. Raphael, how are you, June? Good. Hi, Paul. And we have a very special guest today.

You know this guy from Tim and Eric and his amazing podcast on cinema. Please welcome Tim Hidecker. Thank you very much. Thank you so, all right. So this movie, The Odd Life of Timothy Green. Did you pick me because of my first name for this movie? Yes, I thought it would be good. We went out to a bunch of Tim. Timothy Bottoms.

Yeah, Tim Hutton. Tim Blake Nelson. They all wanted to do it. Tiny Tim. Tiny Tim was in. For a minute, then he fell out. He's dead, isn't he? Yes, he's dead.

He's dead. He's dead. But he was very happy. So he's pretty much permanently unavail. Well, right before we started talking. Permanently unavail cemetery. But didn't he record a lot of his opinions about a variety of things that you could have been? It's kind of like Notre Dameus.

Future possible storylines and movies. We're going to cut that into this episode, right? Yeah, he talks about Pacific Rim. Some graduate student wrote out like, a million movie scenarios and just kept that. And Tiny Tim gave his opinion on a lot of them. And I have to say all of them are pretty good. Pretty dead on.

Right on. And he predicts certain celebrities that really pop big and can go away. It's really amazing guy. So let's talk about this movie. Where before we started talking? This is a movie that June and I saw in the theater with a bunch of people. And I was like, what is this movie? Because to me it feels a little bit.

it like a Frank Capra-esque film. Sure. Like, but also written by someone who might have been going through dementia or something. Like, someone who had like, was capable of one time of creating an idyllic world. But then just things got a little lost along the way, I feel like. I mean, it's interesting because, like you said, we were talking about it before we started. And I think that, and Tim and I both were saying that we had maybe perhaps more, this is without a doubt the first, how did this get made movie that when I, at the end of watching it, I was like, oh, I might have liked this.

Like, this is not nearly as horrible as I thought it was going to be. And in fact, parts of it were genuinely won me over. When I go through this kind of process of deciding whether or not I like something, you know, the first thing. Well, first, at first it's got to go sort of at the gut level. Like, am I just like sticking my middle finger up at the screen going like, fuck you got. why would you do this? Why did this get made? Second question is sort of, you know, what is the context of this movie? Who's this movie for, you know, clearly this is a Disney movie. It's for kids or it's for young adults maybe. Well, that's the question.

I'm curious. But I'll let you finish. Third, or what are the values of the movie? Like, what are these people seem to care about most? And, you know, when I look at those three things, they all kind of check out in a positive way. See, I take issue at that, though, in terms of the value system in the movie. because I think there are some values. There are problematic values displayed in the film.

There are majorly problematic values. I mean, the overall synopsis of the movie is that there's a couple played by Jen Garner. And Joel Egerton. Who is that guy that looks like he's on the verge of tears the entire movie? He's from the war. He's from the New Australia 30. He's an Australian actor. He's a wonderful actor.

By the way, the acting in this movie is great, I think is great. Rosemary DeWitt? Yeah. Across the war. Was that the sister-in-law? Yeah. She was a problem for me. Oh, really?

Everything she had to say. She was clearly the bad guy and just outlandishly bad. And problematically as well was Ron Livingston. Yes. Crudstaff. His bad, yeah, his boss. The movie is like a fairy tale. So you're going to have these big, totally.

You're going to have the bigger character. But to me, the big problem with the movie is that this couple can conceive. I also love, by the way, that the doctor says you tried as hard as you could. It's like how well? How does she know that? But anyway, that night, they think up a child. They think up the perfect child. All the traits.

Here's where the problem is. And this is why I take issue with the sort of moral value system in the movie. Some of the traits are great. They want their child to have a huge heart. Love and be loved. Love and be loved. Be honest to a fault. Be honest to a fault.

Picasso with a pencil. This is where I take issue with the movie. A big, things that they care a lot about, and I would argue the most about, are the child being not just good at art, but Picasso with a pencil. Mm-hmm. And scoring a winning goal at a game. Okay. Yeah, but those things don't happen in the movie, except for the drawing, but those things, that kid doesn't do that. Just not the winning.

Yeah, that's a little bit of spoiling. I mean, but go ahead. Oh, I see what you mean. But I think the process the family goes through is that they learn that that's not what's the most important thing. Well, that's exactly what I was going to say. I never saw them learn that. What I believed was that those two things, and you're absolutely right, they cared the most about those two things. Because that, and what I actually appreciated about the movie was the movie was about them, was showcasing them as bad parents.

Yes. Like they are consistently being shown to care about the wrong things, to care about, what other people are saying, what other people might think. Absolutely. And I feel like the lesson of the movie is be yourself. Don't worry about what other people think. Don't care about the frivolous stuff like scoring the goal. Because that's basically Picasso with a pencil is Jennifer Garner's life regret that she stopped painting, we learn.

And score the winning goal is Joel Edgerton's life regret because he never was able to impress his father. But when did you see them come around and realize that those things didn't matter? That's what they're talking to. That's what they're talking to The woman from the House of Sand and Fogg woman. She's amazing, by the way. Who's that? Which one was the adoption lady?

The whole movie is told as they're basically sitting down as how you're doing it. Cain style. Yes, they're talking to an adoption counselor who's like, you only have a limited amount of time. You got to impress me. Like, let's knock it out. Now here's my issue with this story is on the values issue. It seems like a lot of the values, they're like trying to show up, like, take out like their petty differences with their family.

It's like, see? My kid is musical. See? But I think these are all mistakes the characters make that they eventually kind of recognize and acknowledge. But see, I guess I never saw that. But also, I do think that that's not realistic to a couple who desperately wants a child. If you've been trying for that long and have been failing year after year, you just want a kid. They literally say like, well, we can't have a kid.

We'll get a dog. I don't want a dog. Wait, there's no other option besides. Well, adoption should have been the first. Right, adoption should have been high on the list. That's why, that actually did confuse me because I was like, why don't, why hasn't, like, they're, I fully understand like that kind of like there is no hope you're not going to have a biological child. But then, yeah, why not enter into a discussion.

There are a lot of. Yeah, and entered a discussion about adoption or anything like that. You know, they seem. Again, fairy tale. Yes. This is not. grounded movie. That's right.

It's a fucking pencil factory. Yeah. It's like your Frank Capric comparison is actually quite good because there is magical realism to this fairy tale world that they've created that does bend a lot of stuff for you.

And see, that's why I would actually argue that this movie is more of an adult movie than a kid's movie. And seeing that you do I think it's a family movie. I don't know because I don't think young kids would connect with it. I don't think young kids would connect with it. I bet you who would

connect with it is like 13 to 16-year-old girls. Yeah, and parents. I feel like this is a family movie. It's like a young adult novel, like a Judy Blume book would have been. Like there's a weirdness, there's some romance in it with the older girl. Well, that's a weird romance. Baby Milakunas.

Yeah, baby Milakunas. I wrote that. I thought that so did I. With the rash. Yeah. Well, the amount of times the parents attempt to have the sex talk with their seven-year-old. Yes.

He's a seven-year-old. He's ten. Okay. He's a 20. He's a plant. Yeah, he's not a plant. He's not really a human. Oh, well.

Spoilers for the odd life of Timothy Green. I was also, I was also, I was, I was expecting more of the morphing of the plant. Me too. I was disappointed. I was disappointed in that. There were literally just three leaves on his way. You wanted more leaves. I kind of, because basically what they do is they write down all these traits.

They bury it in the ground. And then during the middle of the night, there's a storm. And there comes a bully. and now they have this boy. And I agree. There are some fantastical elements that being a huge one. But I wanted him almost to be like his journey to be that he became a tree. Like, almost he became more.

And then he always lived in their front yard as a tree. Yeah, that's what I thought they were going. Because he kind of, he gives all these leaves away throughout that last scene. And then he says the last, I left for my two parents. So, you know, you guys were the, which I thought was really a beautiful line about, you know, you loved me more than I could ever be loved or something like. And I thought he was going to, yeah, he'd be back in the box and a tree would grow where he came out from. Exactly.

That leaf, you know, kind of. I guess what I had a problem with those, I don't think they did love him more than he could ever be loved. I don't think they saw him. I don't think that they saw just a reflection of themselves. I don't think they ever got too much. I think that's partially true. I think, I mean, I definitely, I believe that for, I believe that for them, I'm telling you. So serious.

It's so crazy. But I believe for them that he was like a catalyst for change. Yes. And it was to put in perspective their perceptions of what being a parent is. Correct. To get rid of all of the, this is what I think being a parent is. And in fact, introduce them to this is what actually parenting is. Right.

So, you know, like all the questions in the box are what they, as non-parents are thinking what parenting a kid will be like. And reality is not that. which I actually liked because a lot of time and again I cannot believe I'm defending a movie in which there is a boy with leaves on his leg and in a pencil factory town where the pencil factory is going to get shut down so they invent a

brand new pencil I was like none of this is crazy I also think when you're dealing with Disney you know Disney put this movie out it's a Disney movie you know that this movie went through the process of getting noted to death and disgust to death and the intentions and

And sort of the, everything was in the minds of the producers and the writers were very clear. And that's the one who came up with his idea. I was going to bring that up. It was his idea. I was fascinated by that. Another thing I like about it is that this is, as far as I know, just an original story. It's not some kind of based on a book. It's not some kind of property that's gotten repurposed to be a thing.

I'm always on the side of that. Whether or not it works all the way through. In the world of the story, do you think that Timothy Green shows up, like, this to many parents to be or was this sort of... I guess what I'm saying is if other people planted different things, would they get a different child or does Timothy Green? Well, because Timothy Green seemed to be very aware of his own world. Like, he was aware that he was a plant child that's going to die. He seemed like he had done this before.

But yet he was unaware of many other things too. Like he didn't seem like I feel like... Well, one of his first lines is... You can look at my leaves, but don't ask me about them. Yeah, don't ask me about my leaves. That was strange. That was strange. Right.

But then they go and not necessarily ask them about it, but then they go and like try to, you know. Touch it and cut them off. And to me, like the parents, that was crazy. I mean, the parents essentially, like, to the gay guy at the nursery, who then later is like at the town meeting and it's like, it's okay to be different and weird. And you got, to me, I wanted to see, I wanted to see the story of that guy clearly. gay guy in the choir who's hanging out with his plants. He's fascinating.

He can't really express himself. Didn't have a boyfriend. But why was he also there at the penthouse? How do you know that? At the end of the movie. Because I think if he had had a boy friend, he would have brought him to the town hall. It was a town hall. I love a movie with a good old town hall meeting at the end.

It reminded me of the gung-ho. Like, remember they? You know, and it's like, but there was a town hall meeting like, save the factory. But he didn't even have any vested interest in the factory. Well, he works for the greenhouse for the guys at the factory buy their plants. Oh, yeah. And that's like the whole town's in... And by the way, it's an industry town.

By the way, yeah, this is another movie in which a lot of... There's shots of stores in town that are boarded up and closed for business. And it's like another, like, recession movie. What was the pencil factory? Beautifully. I mean, the foliage is gorgeous. The foilage. Is that the right?

The foilage? The foliage. All the tinfoil trees. It made me into... First of all, I made me very nostalgic for living on the East Coast. Yes. For fall. in New England and Pennsylvania.

And also, like, something I just thought of is at that pool party. Yes. I don't really, you know, I don't have a ton of friends. You know, we have friends, but I can't imagine being. It's cool. We can hang out. I can see you guys my friends. But, you know, in those movies, you always see these big parties where there's like 50 kids running around and all sorts of things.

It's nice. It's a nice little small town story. Well, I think that there are, but. I have plenty of friends. I'm very happy with the number of friends I have. How many friends? Seven. Oh.

Lucky. Well, what I will... That's pretty good. What I will say about... That's a good... They're not all close friends, but... Some are like C-Las friends. Some are acquaintances, but I consider it in a pinch.

They would step up. Do you think if you had a pool party, they would all come? They would all be at the pool party, for sure. I will say, though, that pool party was not too crazy. It wasn't for a movie kid. It was kind of like, all right, that's an acceptable kind of party. I did this can be... I did love, though...

Sorry to jump ahead, but the soccer scene, the soccer scene, the last sports scene of the movie, when they want Tim Green to, you know, kick the winning goal, there are shots, there are shots just of him not knowing what to do and he's turning around. And clearly the director does not know how soccer is played because there was just clumps of, like, well, kids running together. Well, that scene is the most problematic scene in the movie. Because while he's making his run to the goal, you have the Jennifer Garner telling her sister all. and then you have the husband telling his father off,

all during this sort of what should be probably three seconds in the course of the game. Yeah, he's really just running. But the other thing, the spoiler for this scene is they've said one of their wishes is that their son score the winning goal in the soccer game. And this is that scene where Timothy is going, Timothy, previous to this has never played in a game before. He's terrible. The coach always keeps him on the bench.

The coach is common. Yep. Play by common. Who when he first sees Timothy Green, it seemed to me, Before when they try him out for soccer, what he does is, common looks at kids and then decides that they would be in. He goes, I don't see it. They weren't even, they were in an auditorium.

He just sizes them up with their parents. So that's not probably ever happened, right? Yeah. I wouldn't, yeah, I'd be in very uncomfortable having kids if that's what happens. If you walk them in front of a coach and he goes, doesn't got it, go. Like, there's no. There's no ball. But what's crazy is, what's crazy is, so now,

Timothy Green has been put in the game, he gets the ball, he starts going, Jennifer Garner starts screaming at her sister, Joel Edgerton screaming at his dad, common is like, go Green, go, you got this, you got this. And then Timothy Green scores a goal on the wrong goal. Which is like one of those like wishing, which is by the way, 75 yards in the other direction. So what point did people not notice that that was going on? At what point did not, yeah, exactly, they'd not notice he was approaching the other team's goal. It's the most problematic scene in the movie. But you guys, I can justify it because I think what was happening, I really do.

I think in the world of the movie, we were to believe that everyone was so excited that Timothy was moving and doing so well that even they forgot which end was which. Maybe. Even the coach. Even the coach. Even the coach. He was to say like some

crazy moves. This is, by the way, a very big game between the erasers and the bone crushers. The bone crushes is also a very aggressive name for a For a 10-year-old Yeah. Wow, but the bone crusher's coach calls out when Tim Green goes into the game. He calls out, go smash his knees.

Put that kid to the ground. Yeah, take his knees out. Take his knees out. Yeah, he's basically a cobra Kai sense. Yeah. How about you had a couple nice cameos from Emmett Walsh? Yeah, I previously had to look it up because I was like, I thought M. M. Walsh died.

Right. But it's J.T. Walsh. J.T. Walsden. And then Diane Weist is also in this movie. Both fun to see, or good performances. There is some interesting stuff, though, because I feel like when you meet his dad,

his dad is, I'm sorry, his dad is, is that, David Morris. David Morris is his dad. Dave Morse, who I also like. Love. Love. He's amazing in this movie. The first introduction to him, he's like, all right, let's play some dodge ball. They give him the dodge ball. I guess I'm saying is every parent in this movie

or every adult in this movie is very abusive to children, regardless, across the board. And so he gets this dodgeball, and he's just whipping it at kids, this knocking kids out. And he's not even really being shown as a villain in that scene. It's really like... He's played against his son, the father

of Timothy Greenland movie, as being a dad that was always too tough and too repetitive. Right. So I think that's showing him just being tough with those kids. Yeah, it's like, that's his thing. He's, he's, he's rough housing and he doesn't But I do agree Paul

he was hitting them so hard that it didn't seem like any parent should run in and say. Well, Timothy Green, this is the crazy thing, Timothy Green in the middle of the Dodgewell scene, the sun comes out and apparently Timothy Green's thing I guess maybe for photosynthesis purposes

is when the sun comes out he puts his arms out and he looks towards the sun and he closes his eyes. And everybody, wherever he is, whatever is happening, everybody quiets down and looks at him. Right?

Because it is odd. If I did that, you would be like, Super weird. It's super weird. And also the music that's previously been playing in the scene, which I'm assuming is also playing in their lives, drops out. So they must all be like, where'd the music go? Oh, something's happening over there. Oh, this is another thing that you just said music.

It reminded me of the lowrider. Oh, yeah, that was weird. Which was okay. You know, it's kind of cute. But I realize it's a thing in movies that happens when people start singing a song together. The actual song comes in to the movie. But in the world, it wouldn't. and it just doesn't.

So it would still just be weird three people. I would love. Okay. Oh, anyway, the only thing I was going to say was in the Dodgewall thing, Timothy Green is like closed eyes, hands to the sky, and David Morris hits him in the back of the head with the ball. Yeah. I don't know if you noticed this, but you didn't see the ball hitting him?

Did you see the ball hitting it? Yes, you did. You did, yeah. I must have missed it. Well, I like the baby Milakunis at one point says to him, teach me how you do that. Yeah. And just play your arms and stare at the sun.

I mean, that's it. And he goes, do you feel it? And she goes, yeah. He goes, you're doing it. So you think that that's how he was being kept alive? Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm assuming. I mean, he was like a tree, right?

Here's one of the weird things about his leaves. Sometimes they fell off and they were fully green. No, they all were darker. They were always darker in color. Sure. And it kind of moved with the seasons, I felt like it. Well, I also had an issue with this idea with, oh, that's interesting, the seasons. That was the lifespan of Timothy Green was from like spring to fall.

Ooh, I didn't think about that. You see, I also had an issue, though, with Timothy Green being able to pull in sunlight, but then when he's in the chlorine pool doesn't do any damage to his. Could have been a saline pool. Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. And again, I know that I will bring up a couple points here that are very nipicking. I understand that they, you know, it's a fair deal.

This is the most, this is the biggest debate we've ever had on. this show. I also took issue with how much, just how much older the love interest was. She's five years older. She's 15. He's 10. Oh, yeah. No, that's definitely weird.

That's a very strange to me. But I don't know if it ever got sexual. It wasn't sexual in any way. There was just sort of like a love. Well, she went to go kiss his lips and then she pulled down his socks to see his leaves. I know it wasn't sexual. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

I actually loved their meat cute in the beginning when she puts. a cherry on top of them. I love that. But I found it very weird that Jen Garner and the Zier Dark 30 guy were making it sexual. That was so strange to me. I think it was another case of not knowing how to deal with a new parenting situation. I mean, 11 is on that line, don't you think? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. For sex? For sex? Not for sex. Not for girls. But they're not even like for girls. I agree with that. For girls, you know.

because they're not dating. They're building forts in the forest together. There's nothing. There's actually, that's a great point. Besides the kids. The only people putting sex onto their relationship is the adults. Right. Like the kids themselves are building forts in the woods, are riding bikes.

Right. They are just. Do you think he has a branch dick? See, that was weird though. I'm going to, I'm going to blow chlorophyll all over you. I got my leave legs and my branched dick. Oh, I thought that was really cool. Oh, I thought that was cool, too.

With those all the yellow and red leaves? Yeah. I don't like that hang out on that leaf fort. I thought it was cool, but it looked like a fuck fort. I was like, why are they building this place out here? That was the question. To fuck in, of course. And I guess everything can be kind of swept under the rug and saying that, well, they're bad parents.

But he does have leaves on his legs, and the parents bring him to a botanist, not a doctor. Right? And then they're... Well, yeah. And they are, yes, definitely. There's definitely, like, flaws in it in that way. Yes. They should go to the doctor.

Sure. If this story... I mean, if this happened in reality, in the real world? Well, there's... If this happened in the real world, it would be a horror movie. Well, I mean, the fact... It should be a horror movie. In a different context, it is a horror movie.

Yes. But here's the issue I take with the movie, though, because I think there... Who insists he's your son? And it kills an old man. I think what you guys are saying, should... It should have been the story of the movie. Somebody should cut an alternate trailer of this for that. Which is that they want all these things from this kid, but they're just projecting their own wants onto him.

Right. What ends up happening, though, is not that they realize that in my mind. What ends up happening is that he teaches them how to make pencils out of leaves. Well, he teaches them how to be. That's a bit of a muguffin-y kind of story. I mean, that kind of keeps the plant going. Yeah, that saves the town. I don't think that's the lesson learned, though.

But that's our climax that we're heading into the third act. I think he's teaching them to trust their, because that was their dream. Like, he has a dream. Like, I guess they had like let their dreams die a little bit because they were so focused on having a kid. And he had these notebooks full of ideas. And those ideas also died because he put them on a shelf. And then he took those off the shelf.

And then he started to like, we're getting so. What was her dream? What was her dream? This is fascinating. I want to watch the last 20 minutes again because I feel like they do make it about their journey as learning to be and learning if they want to be parents. When they talk to the woman from House of Santa Fogg, they say, yes, we made mistakes. Yes, we have learned from these mistakes. But you never really, they've only learned afterwards.

It just occurred to me that their hesitation for adoption was that in their minds, having a kid was having their kid, having this sort of genetic. you know, like, you want to have Uncle Bob. What is it? Uncle Bub. Uncle Bub. And you're this and like all these things. And what they end up with is like a 10-year-old Asian girl.

Right. I mean, I cried hysterically during that scene. Don't get me. And it's like, 10-year-old Asian girls thing. What they realized is like. I lost it. I cried in this movie.

This is the third of our movies I've cried. Yeah. But okay. I see that. I see that. I see that. Yes to all that. But making pencils out of leaves.

seemed to. It seems like a great idea. Leaves fall to the ground. It gets, it's just waste. I agree. I think that, but I didn't understand

how that would make the factory more financially like unless if you aren't buying pencils. I didn't think it was like that one person. That pencil definitely looked expensive. Yeah, that was a very time intensive process.

There's way more overhead to produce that that pencil. Can you listen? You're not going to get any argument from me that making pencils out of leaves is a rewarding result of the movie. But I think, I think that it is, it is more, the movie isn't building towards making pencils out of leaves.

The movie is building towards, are they good or bad parents? You know what I mean? Well, can we play, I just want to play clip three here because this is really how the movie ends in the narrative here. If this boy can have a leaf on his ankle, then we can make a pencil out of leaves. What? That's all go to work. Yep. That's the craziest logic job.

Well, I think it is sort of that Disney, uh, liberal. sort of, you know, it's okay to be different, which, you know, it's a good, it's a good moral, good lesson. So, you know, it's a little heavy-handed, but it's also not made for adults. I mean, maybe it is made for parents. I do feel like it is made for, because we saw this in the theater. Right. And kids were, I mean, kids are distraught.

Kids are like, what is? Where are the robots? I think kids really connected to Timothy Green, and I think they're devastated. that he dies in the end. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Do you know if this was successful? Was this a successful movie?

It was not a successful film. And I will say the most successful thing from this movie is a viral video that spread around of a kid in the backseat of his car bawling. Oh, no. Timothy Green is that. We'll play a clip of that right here. And I'll tell you how much it made when we come back here. What was the movie about?

About Timmy Green's blowing. No. What? Is that Mary Stieber? It was sad. He's just moving are laughing. All the leaves came on. He goes on for another three minutes.

He gets so resigned to it, too. He understands that that's what it had to happen. Oh, yeah, he had to go. It's like Bambi or Old Yeller or Dumbow, those kind of movies, right? I mean... Sure. Yeah, I guess it is. It's a modern day...

It is a modern day Bambi. I think, I mean, it's... Oh, my God. First of all, I think you have to, you know, I'm sure this was a story. that Ahmed Zappa, you know, was told when he was going to sleep by a drunken Frank Zappa. A really tweaked out Frank Zappa being like, goes out of the ground, man, there's leaves on his legs, bro. Yeah. But it felt like maybe a little bit of like a Shell Silverstein kind of story.

And I felt like there was elements of that, but then it got like weird. Like I feel like there were like those are the moments that like there is a part of this movie that felt like it should be this fantasy world. world this, but then they like drop in these, I guess, more heavier elements. Yeah, like the plant closing and every, like, uh, Joel, uh, Joel, Edgerton has to fire a bunch of people from the plant. Uncle Bob dies. Oh, Uncle Bub dies. And they leave the kid in the room with the die.

Like, again, if it's a kid's movie, it's like, this guy is dying on his deathbed. And, and he's like, he's really sick. And then they're like, we'll leave Timothy in there. Yeah. Yeah, that was really upsetting. And the kid who plays Timothy Green, I thought was. Wonderful. And one Uncle Bub dies and that kid looks up and like you see on his expression this old man has died in front of me, it's horrified.

It's so upsetting. Yeah. No, totally. I thought the same thing. That is the scene where I was like, oh, this kid's a really good actor. He's amazing. Right. Well, can we talk?

It's a huge success. We'll be right back. Can we talk about the. like the Titanic scene between Diane Weist and the boy where he draw. Oh my God. I thought Titanic as well. I did too. That's so funny.

He is a Picasso with a pencil. And he decides, they, he basically says, look, that picture of you, Diane Weist is pretty ugly. Let's,

let's, I'm going to draw, they basically make him draw this 10 year old is going to draw a picture of Diane Weiss. And she's got a hairy chin. Which I don't think you ever see, right? Like I never see it only in this.

After he draws it. No, right before he draws it. he draws it. Right before he draws her head. You can only see it in profile. I did not notice it. Maybe on the fake screen I would notice it, but I didn't notice it. No, I noticed it. She turns in a way that the light catches

it obviously and then he draws it in. Yeah, it's not, it's not like... I was probably checking my phone or something. It's a good point though because here's what's weird about it. He draws her because he can only you know, he can only be truthful to our fault with her hairy chin and then she sees the picture and

notices it because she's put her glasses on but then says to everybody else Why didn't you tell me this? And then she, and then Jennifer, unloads on. Right, right. But I guess my point is if she could see the picture, why couldn't she see her own hairy chin?

Well, I think she knows she has a hairy chin, but she didn't, she doesn't know why. She thought like she was maybe, she was using faint. You can't, it's like, it's pretty wispy. Because it's like a crazy amount of hair on her chin. I honestly didn't notice it. I mean, I've got to get my television fixed, but. Yeah, you know, we have.

I have a hairless setting. It takes all the hair off of women's faces. It has that setting. It's really good. These HD TVs are amazing. I don't want to look at women with hairy faces, so just edit that out. Well, the two things I want to... It's completely out of sync for everything I watch.

The two things about this thing that make it odd. One is, she looks at the picture, and she's like, oh, my God, why didn't anyone tell me this? This boy is truthful. Yeah. What else? And then Jennifer Garner unloads, and then she fires Jennifer Garner. She goes too far. Jennifer Garner goes too far, and that's the...

thing that I actually liked about the movie was and again, I can't believe I'm defending this insanity. But the thing that I liked about the movie was here's a movie that's about, that's about, it is this fairy tale where the people who need to figure their shit out are the parents, not the kids. The kids are fine. The parents, though, are stone-called disasters. Like Jennifer Garner, like, she just unloads on it and she's

competitive with her sister. And Joel Edgerton has problems with the dad. He's really good at. Crying and smiling at the same time. She's really, you have no problem doing that. Everybody in this movie is on the verge of tears, almost with the whole movie. Just about to break. Everybody has wet eyes. Yeah.

But no, I'll cut you off. No, no. That was just it. It really is there. They have all of the problems and need to feel like she goes to when given the opportunity with Diane Weiss instead of making it right, she makes it worse. You know, like Timothy, again, is the catalyst, but she fucks it up. and then it has that funny, the real hilarious reveal when they say to House of Santa Fog Lady

and I lost my job. It was one weird moment. I'm just not a major flaw, but the issue of how much time do they have to tell this story. Yeah, well, that was the adoption woman is constantly putting a clock on. She's like, guys, you barely out of-tick-Tac. Is there like a line out the door of other parents with his meeting? Well, but she also backs down really quickly when she's like,

your time is up. Yeah, yeah. It was up five minutes ago, and Jennifer Carners, like, but we just have to finish it. She's like, okay. Okay, go ahead. And then it's like, and this story in real time of telling must have taken hours. Oh, hours. I was thinking about that because it was like, but also it's like she is.

It's like she's trying to rush them through. You think at a certain point they could, well, I don't know, they could have collapsed the story. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Why is the pencil factory shutting down? I mean, computers. Do you know? Everyone, who uses pencils anymore? But if there were pencils made out of leaves.

I did another thing I liked about this movie was the pencil factory. I loved seeing the pencil factory. That was shot beautifully. The first like assembly line pencil factory thing was gorgeous. With the yellow paint going in. And the guy that, wait, the DP is actually like a for real DP. I can't remember who it is, but I remember seeing it. Peter Hedges is a director.

Yeah. He directed, he did the Gilbert Grape. It's ironic Peter Hedges directed this, don't you think? Oh, yes. I do wonder though why they think so. Oh, he's a writer-director. He wrote and directed... He wrote that Katie Holmes movie, didn't he?

About a boy. It was good. It was a good movie? Yep. No, no, no. He didn't write about a boy, didn't you? Peter, yeah. Oh, he wrote the SpaceCardt.

They called me book, right? And then he wrote, what's eating Gilbert grape. And now he is first directorial thing was Dan in real life. Piece of April. Piece of April is what I was thinking, yeah. But I will say that I did like that Jill Eggerton's job was like somehow quality control on the pencil line. Like he would just find a ramp pencil.

Yeah, this one didn't cut it. This one goes in the chat. And then he's given the thankless task of firing people. Yeah. How about the mug that says, I'm the boss on it? He delegates this boss job to somebody. I thought that was, I felt like there was enough like cleverness or like cues to people that were like jokey, adult kind of stuff. Guys, this has really become a different episode.

It is. Yeah, this is funny. We're recommending. I'm recommending it. Yeah, we're recommending it. I can't believe I'm recommending it. Well, I'm recommending it like, when I was going to start, sit down to watch it. Don't go out and buy the DVD or anything.

No, no, no, no, no. But, you know, when it's eventually on TV. Yeah. If you, I will say this, like, I will, without a doubt, tell my sister to watch this with her daughters. Right, right. Like, this is a movie I would tell my sister, like, it's a cute movie. It's, like, and it's good. I feel the same way about this movie I felt.

And flabbergasted. I know. The same way I felt about Marley and me. I loved Marley and Me. I didn't say. I loved it. And I saw, I mean, I saw a tear-jurking movie. It's a dog movie.

Yeah. I have owned dogs and own dogs. I guess I own dogs. You own and train them to fight. You have a very successful dog fighting ring. Marley Me is a better movie, but this also, I mean, I don't know. I didn't love this movie, but it wasn't a disaster. It was definitely not a disaster.

Our response to you, like, it was very interesting because when we see, saw it, we were again with, you know, about five people in the theater laughing going crazy about it. It has to change your experience when you see it in that context with other comedians, ready, going in, waiting to goof on it, excited to goof on it. But I did. I mean, there are parts of it I liked, and I actually thought that there were certain moments they really landed. Like when the sister's at the hospital and Jen Garner shows up with Timothy Green, and the sister's response is, I didn't know.

I would have brought my kids. one. I thought it. I thought it was so... Really? People would say that. She was like the good Ice queen of... Yeah, and it was actually very dark.

It's a very dark sentiment. But overall, to me, I think the big flaw of the movie is that they don't... They're not forced to learn any of those lessons by the time

that those leaves are gone. I disagree. I disagree. I think that they learn those lessons. a hard way by... And in some... And you're right. Actually, you are...

I disagree, but I will also say part of it is the realization that he's leaving because remember they're fighting. They're fighting about that they're such bad parents. And he says, stop fighting. He's trying to tell them.

That's when Timothy tries to tell them. That's kind of weird. He doesn't... Yeah, he doesn't tell them because they're fighting so much that they're bad parents. And they're saying, we're sorry, we're going to do better.

We're sorry, we're going to do better. And then there's the town meeting scene. And then they realize... he's going to die. And then I think it's like they have now had this journey. And again, like, they've been parents for what? Maybe six months? I don't know.

I can't even believe again. I can't believe I'm trying to explain this movie. I think we're both also. We're saying that there are certain flaws in the movie. As in all movies. Oh, yes. As in most movies. It's not a great movie.

But it's very watchable. But it won me over, man. I don't know. I cried a bunch of this movie. It's no flight, you know, which I thought was the biggest disaster of the year. Oh, flight. What are the point should you cry out? Flight's my, that's the movie I hate the most of the past many years.

Wow. I haven't seen it. Oh, I saw flight. June just saw, June saw Flight the right way, which is she was awake for the first 20 minutes and then woke up for like the last 10. And it really, I think that that's a great piece of half hour television. Oh, yeah. It's a good episode. It's a good episode.

You're like, that was interesting. I gave the finger in the movie theater to the screen about halfway. Fuck you. I was so pissed. Well, it's also so weird. because that movie is all about like, I feel like they were like blowing the lid off of like the life of an alcoholic.

It's like, well, I've seen that. Like, I mean, it didn't seem like it was a new thing. I will say that the one thing I was disturbed about in this movie Timothy Green is I felt like, and now I feel even nervous to express these things to you guys because you like it. It's so weird. That he was like cumming those leaves.

Really? Every time he dropped one of those leaves. Oh, he would make like a cum face? Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. And come those leaves. Yeah, that was weird. I agree that was weird.

He would be doing something that he had Have like a moment of like In my mind it would it's like when a bait He was dropping his seeds It's like when you realize a baby is taking a shit in its type But because the baby's making a bunch of noise Making a bunch of noise And then it's oddly quiet

For a second it just gets a weird look on its face You're like oh that baby's shitting right now I wish it was was that movie The Peanut Butter Incident You remember that movie? Oh that was like a Judy Blume book right Or something like that It was like a movie where these kids like put

Peanut Butter on their body And it grew hair And it sort of like true Yeah it was just Could you see that? your TV? Like a pubic? So every, every strand. And I was expecting it to be

a little like we said earlier, a little more like about this morphing from a tree to a... I would have loved it to be in a big tree in the front yard and they always would live with Timothy as a tree. Well, that was interesting, I guess, the last thing I'll say about it. He, other than having leaves, he did not have any other plant-like qualities. Right.

Except that he got nourishment from the sun. And he liked all the... And he liked old ladies and old ladies like trees. Yeah, that's right. Because he did, oh, we didn't talk about when he takes the barrette out of Diane Lee's hair. Oh, that was weird. Strokes her hair. Takes her glasses off.

She suddenly is getting fingered all of a sudden. Yeah. She gets very flush. She gets very flush. She gets very flush when he's, when he's drawing her portrait. That was definitely weirdly sexual. Yeah, that was a sexual. Again, it seems to be coming from an original mind, an original sort of perspective.

on childhood and parenting. For that, I salute it. Well, obviously, we are divided for the first time ever on the show. Really? So you guys never get to get together. We have never had this debate. We've never had people, as you and I, Tim, I think, to have genuinely like the movie. Yeah, the only person I can think of is Jackie Clark liked the Jennifer Lopez movie,

like the backup plan. And we did not like it. Right, right. Well, I couldn't have found... Well, I think it's... You've got to be honest. I mean, you can't just... What's shocking to me is, I fully expected us all to walk in and be like, what the

fuck are we going to do? This was really good. I thought to myself, well, this might be interesting. I like that. It came down this way. What you expect is not always what you get. I will tell you this much that there are some people who agree with the two of you. And here are some five-star reviews on Amazon.

These are people who liked it so much They gave the film five stars This is from Kittikins It's unusual for a movie to be released midweek But this one opened on a Wednesday So I was able to go on opening day Wow That is unusual

Yeah, I was quite pleased with this fantasy film I didn't really understand What the brief language they were talking about In the review was But during the second viewing I think I heard the H word a couple of times And one character says, oh dear God and I think the obnoxious sister character may have said God's name once very quietly.

And I am very sensitive to such things. Oh, boy. But I was not offended. My personal preference would be that if they would pray for this child, in the story, we assume it's magic. But we know what the true source of the miracle was. Really? Five stars. That's great.

Black magic. Voldemort. This is the first time I've ever gotten. a review like this, that on Amazon, five stars. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing it. Five stars. That's great. And then, um, and then, five stars of anticipation.

And then this one's weird because it's a very positive review, but it gets dark. From Vicki Frey. She goes, this isn't a cutesy, silly bathroom joke infested Pixar romp. Oh boy. And she goes, and the guy who plays Timothy is so cute you'd swear your head's going to explode. But not in a sugar. Sappy Hallie Joel Osmond sort of way, where you hope a roving band of fluffy pink monkeys will reclaim them to their tribe and relieve you of his presence. No, I actually, I think that that's a really valid point.

And I salute that actor who played Timothy Gray. Oh, yeah. I hope we see a lot more from this kid. I really do, because he played cute in a way that was really sustainable. Well, 38% on Rotten Tomatoes. People are mixed. Roger Ebert, though, gave it a very enthusiastic three and a half story. My arch nemesis.

And so there we go. That is the odd life of Timothy Green. The odd, this is an odd episode. It's an odd episode of how did this get made? And the sequel is the predictable death of Timothy King. I would like, I would actually. It ends up a pencil. If all those leaves became human pencils, they made it out of Timothy.

Yeah, yeah. This pencil is Timothy Green. Pensils are people. So we talked about whether or not we would recommend it. The movie I would actually recommend, Tim, you made a movie that I loved called The Comedy, which is on iTunes, and she should definitely check it out. It's really cool. Thank you, Paul.

And you're great in it. Thank you. It's really, really good. And is there a new season of Steve Bruill coming up? Not to be announced. Okay. No. More, I'd like to plug my movie show.

Yes. Oh, yes, of course. On Cinema at the Cinema. This is actually, if you've listened to the podcast, now it is on the, The onions news site. Well, it's ThingX. ThingX. And now that's in video form, it's really good.

So that is on ThingX.com. You can find that. And, uh, Gene, you have anything you want to plug? Uh, Burning Love airs. Now. Oh, I don't know when we're releasing this down. No, yeah. Okay.

Won't be you there? Go to BurningLove.com. Jason, what do you want to plug? No, nothing much really. Season two of Enlightened? Come on, you're on the... Season two of Enlightened. Sure, why not?

I got, I started watching the first season. I was really liked it, and then I kind of, I wanted my, uh, my wife to watch it with me. And so I'm going to get back on board in that show. I liked it. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Are you in the first season as well? I'm in the first season of well.

Very small part. I'm not as much in the second season. I see. Good. But I'm oddly on the billboard. Yes, you are. You can follow me. Tricking people into watching it.

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