How Did This Get Made? - The Shadow LIVE! w/ Pete Davidson (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Pete Davidson (Saturday Night Live) joins Paul, June, and Jason for a LIVE episode recorded at the world-famous Largo at the Coronet in Los Angeles to discuss the 1994 superhero movie The Shadow starring Alec Baldwin. They will cover everything, including Llama cigarettes, Alec Baldwin’s long cocaine nails, and whether or not that hotel in the movie was real. Plus, they find a possible connection to The Golden Child, starring Eddie Murphy. (Originally Released 07/22/2016) HDTGM Spring Tour 2025 tickets are now on sale for Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boise, San Fran, Portland, & LA at hdtgm.com.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaCheck out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmJoin the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerVisit Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Friend Zone w/ Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch every Thursday 5pmPT / 8pmET: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Listen to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: https://www.unspooledpodcast.com/Listen to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social media Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm.

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our LA based home with an amazing crowd. For the first in our special two-part series, movies from the 90s about superheroes from the 40s that no one gave a shit about. To join me in tonight's dissection of the Alec Baldwin superhero classic, The Shadow, I am joined as always by my co-host, Jason Manzoukas! Yeah!

Yeah! What's up jerks? What's up Jason, are you excited? Ah, I just caught a fla flurbel on my, uh, Pokemon Go. Uh, back there. I did tell the audience, do not catch Pokemon Go during the show. Yeah, guys, put your phones away.

Do not catch Pokemon Go. And by the way, I will tell you, there's a shit-ton of Pokemon here in the theater. They just say, fuck you in the theater? That's our audience. They don't yell fire in the theater. They yell, fuck you in the theater. Did they just say fuck you in the theater? That's our audience. They don't yell fire in the theater. They yell fuck you in the theater. This audience is like, no, do not make us choose

between our nerdy pursuits. Because that could threaten us. That could threaten... Pokemon Go is a legitimate threat to nerdy podcasts. By the way, it's a threat to everybody. It's a weapon of mass destruction. And I'm also joined by June Diane Raefiel. Hello, June!

Welcome! Welcome, June. How are you? I'm good. How are you, Paul? Very good, thank you. I'm surprised that you're not wearing your normal fedora and red mask. The shadow and you share very similar fashion sense, normally, I mean. Ouch. Oh.

Wow. Wow. Yeah, wow. We are 30 seconds into this. Guys, you're seeing a full on slam fest out here. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. We are 30 seconds into this. Guys, you're seeing a full on slam fest out here. This is the roast episode of How Did This Get Made? Where you bring us out and then just trash us?

Guys, I was just trying to make a funny little starter. June, you look great as always. Thanks, Paul. Woo! Woo! Woo! We have... What?

I didn't say a fucking thing. Wow. Oh, my God, they're going to fight so hard next week. This is uncomfortable. We have a very special guest joining us tonight. You know him from Saturday Night Live. Please welcome Pete Davidson! CHEERING

All right. Pete Davidson! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah! Yeah! Well, here we are to talk about The Shadow. Oh, boy. And for those who don't know it, very simply put, this is a movie about a hero played by Alec Baldwin. Very simply put? this is a movie about a hero played by Alec Baldwin. Very simply put? I want to hear what comes next.

I tried really hard to write... It is not simple. I tried to write the simplest explanation. It is a hero played by Alec Baldwin, who is a shadow, and he stops an atomic bomb attack in New York in the 40s. Light up your llamas. We have a lot to talk about.

I think... Is that your new catchphrase? Light up your llamas. We've got a lot to talk about. Well, because, you know, the... Lama cigarettes? Yeah, llama cigarettes. Oh, I'm aware. To the most erotic billboard I've ever seen in my life,

I am gonna have wet dreams about that mouth. And the smoke rings coming out from it. There it is. Ew. I'd climb a mountain for a llama. How sexual is that? Look at that mouth. It is like a blow up doll mouth. This movie is really interesting.

Is it? In a... And that's a real question. I think what I found interesting was in watching the movie, like tonight, I'm like, well, here's what superhero movies were, and this is why people never thought that superhero movies could be successful, because they were so bad. Like, this is like, to make a movie in the 40s,

but also, they take away arguably one of the most interesting things. You meet up with Alec Baldwin, because they were so bad. Like this is like to make a movie in the 40s, but also they take away arguably one of the most interesting things. You meet up with Alec Baldwin and he is like the head of an opium trade. What is that? I rewound the movie, assuming I'd missed something.

Spoiler alert, I had not. We're introduced to him. Long fingernails. I hate those fingernails. You do? I was like, I bet June's gonna like these fingernails. The issue with them is like, okay, they're long. Like, I can get behind that.

Sure. Opium and like, they might need to be long. Maybe they're being used as spoons. Okay. But what I can't understand. But we wouldn't need them on all fingers. You think long nails are part of the opium trade? Well, I know that sometimes, like, cocaine addicts will have, like, one really long nail

to, like, sniff. Okay. Huge coke addict in the audience. Check it out. If anybody needs drugs, talk to that person after the show. I thought he had these long fingernails because he just likes to play like guitar, you know, just like... Oh, like he's like a flamenco guitarist.

Why are they painted? No, this was like, this started weird, got weirder, and I did not care for it. I just want to play, I just want to play a second of just so you get the idea of... Not too much, Paul. I think they're... I think they're kind of dope. Here we go. They're pretty cool. And I promise you...

I'll bury them beside you. What? Those nails! They don't fit in a TV. Hey, that's the villain from diehard who ate the candy bar Yes I was so psyched because I was like there were like two Like like Asian actors working and they were in every movie like that's the guy from lethal weapon who tortured Mel Gibson

And that's a guy from escape from a big trouble in little China like another guy also plays kung fu pandas dad In the country who's the but he. But he's a stork, I believe. And Kung Fu Panda doesn't realize that it's not his real father. Until the second movie. The stork delivered Kung Fu Panda. What's that?

Did the stork deliver Kung Fu Panda? No, no, he didn't. He runs a noodle bar. Oh yeah, I know that guy, right. Of course. Wait, I'm sorry. Have you guys not seen the Kung Fu Ban Winnies? Out of one. Okay, we're gonna need to talk about that.

When I'm seeing for the first time now, does Alec Baldwin in this section of the movie have the prosthetic nose on? No. No. When he's in the shadow? When he turns into Stephen Baldwin? At any point. What if all the Baldwins could morph into other Baldwins?

That's what it looked like. Well, it's so weird because they don't even, you wait until the very end of the movie, they're like, oh, he's not wearing like a weird mask. His face is just morphing. That's his transformation. Why? I never established that.

Why does that happen? Okay, cause here's the thing. I mean this with all due respect. Why the fuck does his face change in this movie? Cause here's the really confounding thing. If he's, if he is a hero that can become a shadow, that means he can't be seen. Correct.

So why does he need a disguise? Why not just become a shadow? Great. I would argue that this movie is full of those questions. Like, why would he need an elaborate system of pipes, pneumatic tubes all over the city? Oh, you mean the 45 second montage? Of someone just putting a note in a pneumatic tube. It like shoots all around the city

to a larger bank of pneumatic tubes. And then the guy's like, oh, here it is. And then he puts it in another device, but then eventually gets to him and he goes. 10 of them. Yeah, there's 10 tubes. At which point Alec Baldwin has to put on a dark suit, put a scarf over the lower part of his face,

and morph the upper part of his face into something weird. Like he's wearing a wooden mask. But then he also goes to get the message from the pneumatic tubes, and the message is a little guy on a TV. He's like, hey, someone was killed. Later. Like, it wasn't, there was really no information

that you couldn't get out of a newspaper or a junk. Why did he even know why that needed to be a secret message? I think my best guess at this movie is that Alec Baldwin had been living a really bad life for a really long time. The actor Alec Baldwin? No. Oh, no.

I think that's well documented. I don't know the character's name. The shadow. And so he then somehow, someway becomes a shadow. And then... Wait, that's the part I really want to talk about. Okay, all right, all right, all right. His guru, whoever that guy was who showed up, somehow changed him into,

changed his perception of his life. Well, Jim, would you argue that maybe some of these questions would be answered if they didn't eliminate the montage, the training montage? Like, he basically is kidnapped, then there's a title card, he's like, and then he became the shadow.

Anyway, we're in New York and it's better. I guess what I'm saying is he becomes a sort of dark knight, where he is doing good things as a former bad person. Is the villain in this movie a knife? That's what I wrote down. Actual knife, yes. I wrote that, the knife is really the only constant.

Cause the guy, the other guy is just like, not a bad guy. No, he likes suits and good whiskey. Yeah, no bourbon. Oh bourbon, sorry. No, I, I could not, I really had so much trouble figuring out why Alec Baldwin became the shadow, why he was chosen, why they went to him to get him to get to bring him to the temple, why they why he yeah why we didn't lose why we lost the whole thing, why Genghis Khan's relative showed up and was like oh you're actually this ancient

guy from like so long ago but you now look like Alec Baldwin because our hero needs to be a white American man? I guess. He used his powers for such stupid fucking things. He showed up to a dinner, and the guy's like, you're always late. He was like, I was not late. Ah! And the guy's like, oh, yeah, you were right on time. And it's like, what?

Well, and that was my problem with the movie, too, is... He is the worst user of pa... I mean, there seems to be moments where he could get out of anything. At one point, when he's caught as a shadow, like, not like in the shadows, literally as a shadow, he freezes and stays there long enough

for them to throw something at him, and he's like pinned... His shadow gets pinned to the wall. His shadow gets pinned, and he just, which is his cloak or whatever, but then he doesn't just walk away from it. No. He just is now like, uh oh, busted.

But meanwhile, the humorous of that cackling laugh, and then he gets caught. I was like, you're terrible at this. He, his strength, like he could, in the beginning, when you first, the first fight scene where you see the shadow is, I mean, just to give you an idea, I mean, the tone of this movie is all over the fucking place.

You could tell they were going for Batman in the beginning. Yes, it feels. In the very beginning, it was very Batman. It feels like Batman, and like Batman was like maybe like a third of the budget and how much did that guy love? shooting that machine gun That guy fucking loved it I would love to have a job where I get to shoot a Tom that looks fucking sick

We haven't even gotten into Tim Curry's character, but man, when he goes nuts at the end with his Tommy gun. Oh, fat Tim Curry. Tim Curry. These people are like... I feel like the only way I've ever pictured someone shooting a Tommy gun is like, ah! Like, you have to be mental to shoot it. You can't just be like, brr-brr-brr.

And then he shoots his own car. Yeah, he fucking, he's not in the car. You were already in that. Yeah. Yeah. How did this get big? How did this get big?

So this is like the idea of how scary this character is. Just to get an idea of the tone of it at the top. Ah! You sure you're still a fella? You murdered a policeman, Duke. Who said that?

Did you think you'd get away with it? It's a pretty short bridge. Did you think I wouldn't know? You don't scare me! You scare me! You scare me! You scare me! You scare me! You scare me! You will go to the 8th precinct house on the second avenue

and surrender yourself and you will do it now! I got this! I got this! Oh my god! Oh my god! So this badass of the shadow really never shows his face again. Like, I mean, he's never this intimidating or bad,

or like he's punching people at all. Like, I don't... Yeah, he doesn't really use his powers. He doesn't do anything. And this is interesting. He seems to just... He recruits a lot of other shadows or shadow adjacents. I don't know what they are. Shadow pals.

Shadow friends. I don't know who those people are. Yeah, Peter Boyle's his homie. Peter Boyle the cab driver. But they seem to also have done something wrong. Yeah, why is he always like, we're two boss. But also Peter Boyle, you would think, oh, that's a good, the cab seems specially outfitted to be like the special shadow cab,

but then like later on in the movie, Peter Boyle's just like picking up regular fares. Like he's like, hey, look, I'm not gonna put you on the payroll. You gotta work for a living. If I call you, you gotta come right here. We understand at this point in New York City, cabs are the only way that people travel,

whether the high class Playboy that Alec Baldwin is when he's not the shadow, when he is the shadow he's in a cab, Chinese warriors are constantly in cabs. The cabs would be like, go, go, go. It's so weird. And by the way, Chinese warriors, not out of their costumes.

No! They are fully... They're wearing armor in a cab. Like, hailing a cab. Like, out of a textbook. And then there was one great scene where Alec Baldwin's like, I think I'm being followed.

And he kind of does a thing where he looks in a mirror to see the guy in the gigantic military wardrobe. Like, of course that's the guy following you. He's not blending in. Is it because of the metal clanging on metal that you hear 15 feet behind you? But there is a thing in the cab,

do you remember this, like in the beginning of the cab, like he's recruiting one of his shadow friends, and he's like, ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha, and he gets the guy out, and then the next scene he's like sweaty, he's like, ugh, ugh, like he's immediately upset, and then Peter Pan's like, like sweaty He's immediately upset and then people are like you okay boss Go ball club go ball club, but it's like his personality is all of the transformation between weird shadow face And him like almost took something out of it again

I would love to have seen what we missed in the montage where he understood some of his power way. It's only Seven years. Oh years seven years it's only, does it say seven months? Seven years. Oh, years? Seven years later? Okay, that makes more sense. Someone says yes. But so what was he doing in New York City

before he left for Tibet? His dad says, I didn't ask. He's got that big giant townhouse. So are we to assume that he's this richy rich New York kid who goes off to Tibet and becomes a drug warlord? And by the way, how did they accept him into that? I don't think a white guy could get into the opium trade that easily.

Not just get into it, but dominate. Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy, I like him, I like him. I like the way he thinks. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna, like, do semester abroad in Europe. Then I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna graduate. I'm gonna go to Tibet, I'm gonna corner the opium market.

I'm gonna become a vicious warlord. I'm gonna be recruited by a shadow organization to become a mystical being that is the embodiment of a Chinese warrior from, like, I don't know how far back. Then I'm gonna come back to New York, live in a giant townhouse and medium fight evil. And it seems to me... Why do you...

I have a question though. You've said it a couple of times. Why are you saying that he is embodying... Isn't he? What? You think he's Alec Baldwin isn't Alec Baldwin like this It doesn't he have like the spirit of some ancient warrior in him isn't that what he trained or what he got

That's what he turns into no no They just kind of like shot up This is I'm Allegorically speaking not allegorically speaking, not allegorically speaking, I keep thinking of it like Iron Fist. The Marvel character, Iron Fist. So he is, he gets a ancient power

that we didn't see in that montage. You're really making a lot of assumptions. I'm trying to make sense of it. I was trying to make sense of it because I wanted it to make, I wanted it to add up. Well, look, we should throw all sense out the window when the first kind of main bad guy we meet is a knife that has a face.

Yeah. And that's it. And that knife comes back a lot. Yeah. And he never learns the lesson that maybe the knife that's just powered by itself, you shouldn't fight that. Like that, I think the knife has the advantage at all times.

The knife was terrible special effects. Wait, but what was that? I'm always bad with this. What was that knife in? He played the dad in Terminator 2, that knife? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's really good. And he was a waiter in the Blues Brothers.

Oh, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good knife, that knife is good. That knife's great. So, the guy... So... Wait, now I'm thinking that maybe he was... Was he a police officer? Who? Alec Baldwin. No. No. Okay.

I think he's supposed to be... We're gonna scratch that. He's like Bruce Wayne-y kind of socialite playboy, I think. I mean, he drinks a lot. He definitely drinks a lot. Like, he puts away two martinis every time. Like, they come in, like, here's two martinis. Don't even finish it. Here you go.

Well, he's always leaving. He's always coming late and leaving early, so he's got to get his drinks in as quick as possible. I thought that this movie was full of, like, like chin acting, chin and eyebrow acting, a lot of arched eyebrows and a lot of cocked chins. Like, you know, and I don't know, but I kind of, I'm on board with Alec Baldwin's portrayal in this, I liked the craziness of this character.

It's not his fault. No, he's great. I heard that's the reason though that they didn't give him Batman. Really? Like on the next come around was because his shadow performance. I guess it has a little bit of...

He's Alec Baldwin the fuck out of this role. You know what I mean? It is. It's like Jack Donaghy from 30 Rock. Like in a superhero movie. He's very like, uh, I met a girl and she could think. I have to run away.

That was the most insane thing I've ever seen. He literally was just like, you like my dress? He's like, I have to go. She knows I like her dress. Fucking pussy. By the way, Penelope Ann Miller never... Is that who that was? Yeah, she never...

I felt like she was wearing a nightie the entire time. I don't know, I was one when this came out. This is, take a look, this is the Alec Baldwin acting. Acting. I'm onto your planned con. You still don't have the brilliant- I love it, I love it. You can't complete the bomb.

Besides, you know I'm gonna stop you. You Americans are so arrogant. You think your meaningless decadent country is the new cradle of civilization, but let me tell you something. Hey, that's the U.S. of A you're talking about. I am talking about ruling the world. I'd like to give you a name.

Leonard Lewinsky. Brilliant psychiatrist. You'll talk him... You are boring me to... And there's the knife. Oh! Oh! Ah! And there's the knife. Knife. Oh.

Oh. Like, you could have added, like, you could have added to any of Alec Baldwin's lines, just at the end, lemon. Well, I think I've never seen- Is that the US of A you're talking about, lemon? He was trying to be really funny in this movie. I think he was, and there's like-

He was really trying to be funny. Like, I feel like there were there were like legitimate jokes in it. Like there's one time where she like Penelope Ann Mills was like, I had this dream and my body was hot and whatever, and he's like, I had a dream. I ripped my face off. All right. I laughed hard.

That was great. That was really funny. That was good. I thought the movie came alive when they were able to banter together. I agree. I wanted to see more of them together. But why was his uncle, uncle the police commissioner or father?

Okay, uncle. Why was he so disgusted by Penelope Ann Miller? Yeah, no, Jonathan Winters was like, oh, here comes a trash bag full of nonsense. I don't even... I'm so upset by her. I don't even know what you would see in her. She's a stunning, beautiful woman that just walked in.

But even his presence, like if you took Jonathan, I mean, by the way, huge Jonathan Winter fan, but if you took him out of the movie, it would make no difference, because he does nothing. He basically is like, I hate this shadow, and they're like, there's no shadow. Oh, okay, there's no shadow. And then that was one scene.

The next scene he was like, okay, there's no shadow. And then that was one scene. The next scene he was like, oh, someone got murdered here. Didn't ever really investigate it further than that. And I think you see him a little bit later. And he's just like, he's eating again and the shadow is light. He's always light. There's no, I feel like he shot all of his scenes

in like two days. Like that was it. Not even. I was wondering too, where did she get those powers from? Well, I wrote this down. I think, now I might be right. I think she's a reincarnated Chinese spirit.

Yeah. I wrote this. An ancient Chinese. It would have been better if she was like the knife's daughter. Like that would have been cool. My mother was a knife. What do you mean?

Well, you ever see Kung Fu Panda? How he fought his dad with a sword? Four people in this movie are telepathic. Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. Which is crazy. Like, you don't really want to lose the coolness factor

when four people can read each other's minds. What about when he was in the water and he was like, I'm drowning. And she was like, he's drowning. And then she drove all the way there. And if he could shoot his memory out there, why wouldn't he just do it to a guy working on the docks? Like, dock worker, save me.

I'm gonna shoot it way across town. And then he has a place where he can breathe air out of a bullet hole, but he immediately goes away from that. And then he has a place where he can breathe air out of a bullet hole, but he immediately goes away from that. Like, just hang out by the bullet hole. To go to the door, which is still locked. You know how you're gonna know when it's unlocked? She's gonna open.

And all the water will be gone. Keep breathing. By the way, when she opens that door, the force of that water coming out would explode her body into mush. She's door would ricochet out onto her, flatten her into just person mush. My favorite was when Alec Baldwin was explaining to her

how to open it. And it was not as complicated as the door. The door was simply a circle. Turn lefty loosey, righty tighty. Like that's it. Not hard. I did want to just talk about this moment here. Because it comes into play, but Penelope Ann Miller does a 2 a.m. visit to her father, and we, this is this moment.

Dad, did you get this shirt? That's insane. Oh, you said I look good in green. No. This is green. That's red. Red, green. Well, to me, it's just a clean shirt.

Which wire? I don't remember.'s just a clean shirt. Which wire? I don't remember, I just don't remember. Pick one! Oh, well, what the hell, it's usually green. No, please! This is green. That's red. I've gotta try to remember that.

What a good callback. So, my issue is- That's the dry, right? try to remember that. What a good callback. So, my issue is... That touched my heart at the end. That was really nice. Is he colorblind? Or is he just too preoccupied in science to know the difference between colors? I would love to be in the writers meeting and we'd be like,

I got it. You can't see green in red. But he seems... But he doesn't say like, it would be so easy to go like, I got it. You can't see green in red. But he doesn't say like, it would be so easy. He's like, oh, well, you know, I'm colorblind. He's like, oh, to me, it's just a clean shirt. And then he's like, I got to remember that. If you're colorblind, you can't. You can't.

Well, by the way, Paul. You can't train yourself because you're colorblind. It does posit the theory that he forgets what colors look like. I have to say, Paul, you've had trouble admitting you're colorblind. I guess you're right.

You don't want to bring this up in front of all these people. Whoa. But I think it's an uncomfortable thing to admit. I think it's hard. I'm not as bad as that. I know the difference between red and green. Like you're wearing a beautiful blue shirt. And green pants. But you the difference between red and green. Like you're wearing a beautiful blue shirt and green pants.

But you're a little bit colorblind. And I do think and I think as a colorblind person, and I'm not one. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God. But I imagine it's a strange feeling because you don't know. Like you're just being told you're colorblind all the time. Yeah. You're not walking around and missing colors. Can you imagine if you lived in a world

in which colors were a lie? When you saw things, they were lying to you? So scary. Wow. That was really deep. Maybe I keep it under-apps too, because when I say, hey, is that blue couch? You'd be like, no, you see blue?

That's weird. You make me hermit in my color blindness. I maintain your color blindness is a little bit more subtle than this. Yeah, that's a giant one. It is, it's blue and purple. Yeah, no, you would definitely know how to disarm a nuclear weapon.

Done it three times. By the way, that nuclear weapon was the dumbest. The atomic bomb that rolled like the Indiana Jones ball through a hotel. That was so stupid, and also the discovery that the guy goes through to be like, wow, but I mean, like, a bomb like that would be impossible. I guess unless you did this, you did this, and you did this, and then it's like fade out

and fade into, someone has built that bomb. Oh, this movie was dumb. I guess we should get into Sher Khan. The last living relative of Genghis Khan. Which seems to be impossible because, like I don't know, it feels like, well, here's my issue.

He speaks perfect English. He seems very attuned. Everybody does. What? Everybody speaks perfect English everywhere they go in the movie. Yeah. Even if it's like,

Chinese Warrior One talking to Chinese Warrior Two. They're gonna choose to speak English to each other and be like, he went that way, okay, I'll go this way, you go that way. Okay, cool. And it also posits a world in which those people were not living in New York City. They somehow came. Like, I guess my whole thing is...

How did he get an army of warriors? I kept wondering that. Well, look, I don't even understand why he had to come in Genghis Khan's tomb. That made no sense. Like, was he in there for a long time? Like, for this ruse? Because... You're saying there was... there are other ways to get here.

Yeah, just get on a plane. Like, it didn't seem like he was a mummy. Like, I thought, oh, this is Genghis Khan come back to life. Was he ancient? No. He wasn't? No. He was the last living relative. Why did... Okay, okay.

He just chose that as transportation. This is... He's like, it's cheap. Don't want to buy that first class flight. I genuinely now am really curious and have a little bit of fear that I don't understand what is going on in the movie. The Genghis Khan guy...

Are you gonna have a June moment? I'm like... I'm going down the rabbit hole. I thought he was like a very old ancient warrior guy. That's what led me to believe part is, so why does he know Alec Baldwin? Why does he know who Alec Baldwin is? Well, because I think he came from the same place

that Alec Baldwin... They were both trained by the same guy. When were they trained though? He said, I killed your master, right? And that's why he took the knife. Again, you don't see any of this. But it happens. You hear all the quick line of exposition

in between the scenes. That's how he has the knife. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, fine. He's, yeah, no, he is born, you know, in the same... Okay, okay. But why come in in the tomb? Well, I'll tell you why you thought that,

because he came in in a tomb. Yes, in a tomb in, like, ancient armor. Yes, but that was, again, just the way he got there. Yeah. And then he does a bunch of garden state shit where he's just always, like, on the floor matching the rug and then, you know, in the wallpaper matching the wallpaper. I'm like, all right, we get it. I don't know if these guys are into blending, I guess. My favorite was the cop's bit of, like, all right, we get it. I don't think these guys are into blending, I guess.

My favorite was the cop's bit of like closing the little portholes. Oh yeah. For like 35 seconds. But it seems like he drew so much attention to himself. He could have just come in the Brooks Brothers suit. I mean, he wants to get his nice suit and drink some, yeah, like, I don't know.

I don't, like, I thought he was Genghis I don't know, I don't, like I thought he was Genghis Khan for a long time. I did too, I thought he was Genghis Khan. And by the way, why not? For the first like 15 minutes, yeah. I thought so too, he did say he came in Genghis Khan's, whatever it is, sarcophagus or whatever, in order to like gain some of his power

or something like that, didn't he? Yes. Okay, so there's some, he gave some half-assed screenwriter's reason for like, oh, that's how I came because I got some power from it. His main power though seemed to be like, he loved getting people to kill themselves. Yeah.

Oh. Loved it. The Empire State Building scene, I think is one of my favorite scenes ever in a movie like a Navy guy walks by like hey nice hat toots to Sher Khan and then I sure Donkey Kong and then like he's so upset that someone called him a lady. He's like, get up, get up. And he makes this Navy man climb over. My favorite thing is he goes... With his fingers mining the wall.

Finger-walking gesture to tell the guy, like, climb up over the fence and jump off. To which the man jumps off the Empire State Building, and then immediately, as he's falling to his death, they cut down to Alec Baldwin going, it's all falling into place. And it's like- You see the guy going like boom, boom,

like falling and hitting the building twice. And which leads me to believe- Uh oh. Somebody just exited the theater very angrily. But that leads me to believe that there was at some point more humor in it. Should we wait for him? This is the way he just kind of killed some time

until he comes back. Well, the weird thing about that guy... I don't want him to miss any. Yeah, yeah, let's not... The weird thing about that guy killing himself is that everybody else seemed to kill themselves happily. Yeah. With pleasure.

No, this guy really was like, -"Get me down! I don't want to do this!" I felt bad for him. Please stop me. Yeah. With pleasure. No, this guy really was like, get me down, I don't wanna do this. I felt bad for him. Please stop me, I felt really bad. That guy's been in everything too. That actor. From the Mad Men and a bunch of different stuff, yeah. How did this get me?

How did this get me? Um, the, well, so then, the kid, okay, yeah. How about the guy in a fight? This is the thing that infuriated me because you've got a hero. This is, okay, we should say this is based on an incredibly popular radio drama of, or radio serial, serialized radio show of the 1940s.

Which by the way, you could argue the reason why he was invisible was because it was a radio show. Exactly. So in order to put it into a visual medium, a hero who is not seen, the only way to see him is see his shadow. They are constantly constructing ways for people to shine lights around a room.

Like, there's a whole fight sequence where people are fighting and one guy picks up a flashlight and he's like... scanning the room, and every once in a while, he'll catch, like, uh-oh, the shadow. And then it goes away, and then it's back. That was making me crazy. But then at certain points, too, like,

when he was beating the shit out of everyone on the bridge, he just seemed like a super fast, like kind of Tasmanian devil kind of thing, like Ant-Man. Yeah, and he has like a kind of smoky presence, which was cool. I was into it then. But then sometimes he's a straight up shadow, like a pancake shadow.

Like a one dimension shadow. And then sometimes he's a human shadow. Yes. And by that I mean, Alec bossed one of the prosthetic nose, and he's messing on his face. I still don't know why that happened. I also- That was a nice story.

And in my justification, I was like, ooh, I wonder if that's what the ancient warrior looked like and that's him coming out. Don't know anybody. I'm like confounded by the mythology of this character. Clearly. Gin, what did you think when he ripped off his face? In the dream sequence? Yeah.

I hated it. It was horrible. It was just horrible. You know, I watched this movie in segments of like 10 minutes at a time. Why did he have nightmares though? They never explained that. Why did he have nightmares though? They never explained that. Why did he? Yeah, he just always had nightmares.

And he was always envisioning himself as the bad guy because I guess he was a bad guy, but he was envisioning himself as that bad guy, not himself. What the fuck? Yeah, it's like, he has a nightmare about being, it's him, Alec Baldwin, in the bad guy's armor, like warrior armor.

Yeah. Like in a fight in my mind in the very distant past. Oh, I was thinking of it more like, how can I be fighting this guy? I am this guy. Like I am equally evil. I think that was the idea, that that's his internal struggle. Like, am I, you know, am I good or am I bad? Pfft.

I, you know, like, it's a bummer how impossible this movie is. Well, cause, well at the end, again, going back to your point, which I agree with, which is the knife seems to be the ultimate bad guy. The knife is the guy who hurt Alec Baldwin in the beginning. The knife comes back and stabs him in the middle. And at the end, they have a full,

by the way, this is the worst ending ever because it is just two guys battling with a knife that they can both mentally control. Like, so it's like- Wait, is Wait, is this Hall of Mirrors as well? Yes, Hall of Mirrors. There's also Hall of Mirrors, which I was like, why is this, what? I was doing some research, or I should say,

Nate Kiley was doing some research, and I was like, this ending is shitty, and then I found out it was because the earthquake of 1994 destroyed the set. And they were like, uh, Hall of Mirrors. Oh, wow. So... That's sad.

Yeah. So that was, uh, yeah. So that was that. So what was it going to be? I don't know. The other interesting thing was... We haven't even gotten into like how that building became invisible. Sure. And then... That's a power he didn't seem to have before.

And also the building was invisible, but it also seemed like it was a hotel or a club. It was a hotel. It had like a big logo on the top. It was a hotel. So that's odd. Like if you're going to psychically create a a building that you would also monetize it. He's not creating it, he's hiding it.

But it was under construction when he- No, it was a building- He hypnotized, he hypnotized everyone. To think it was gone, but it was, I believe his base of operations. But I thought when he pulled the cab up to it, it was just an empty lot. This is hurting my mind. I don't want to continue this discussion much longer, but it was an empty lot because we as the viewer have also been, are also seeing what basic civilians are seeing, which is an empty lot.

That's the whole thing. So he had somebody go there and hide a hotel, like, years ago? Paul. Paul. Guys, guys, let's just all leave the room for a second. We'll let Paul and Juni... Now, the hotel was solid blue, right? They've been hypnotized. What? They've been hypnotized.

Okay. Okay? Yes. I get it. So he didn't have someone go over there and tear down the hotel. They had been hypnotized to not see it there and to just see like a construction pile. The hotel had always existed.

It was never not there, Paul. But I'm asking about, I'm asking about the people who were staying in the hotel. What happened to them? No. No. Well, no. No, we're checking in at Drunk Beer. But they were like, what if they were like,

because it seemed to be, it seemed to happen in the middle of the night. So if they were asleep and they woke up. Why don't you meet me in my room? I'm in room 201. No, I don't think there are no guests in the hotel. It's just the bad guys there. All right.

This was a $40 million movie. The budget for this movie was $40 million in 1994, which is like $93 million today. That is crazy. I'm gonna reveal more of my dumbness if I ask questions about this or joke. Both of us. I feel just as dumb.

Because I guess my question is this. I know he's hiding it. I get that. But for how long? How long what? Well, he's only been there. He only arrived at the Museum of Natural History for a couple weeks ago.

Whoa, whoa. Wait, you say six years he's been hiding it? Hold on, why is it? Hang on, before we even go to this guy, is there something fundamental about this movie's plot that we are missing? Yeah. Oh, wait, hold on.

So can one... Wait, who has said that? Can one person succinctly explain what we're missing? You think you can or you think you can? Well, you both are... Well, we'll have a duel, we'll see. But if she gets it right, you can't talk. All right, come up here.

Here we go. Kumatay, you wanted the kumatay off? Yeah, kumatay, kumatay, kumatay, kumatay. Come, and now you come close. I want to keep you both close here so you can, you can both kind of go off. All right, so here we go. You're not gonna fight, but.

All right, so tell us what we're missing. Here we go, what's your name, here we go. You're not gonna fight, but... Uh... All right, so tell us what we're missing. Here we go. What's your name, by the way? I'm Kate. Kate, nice to meet you. What's your name? Honey. Honey, nice to meet you. Kate, tell me...

Kate, just complimented your name. Thank you, Kate. Say something nice about Kate. Oh, my God. What? Are you guys falling in love? She says that Kate looks very... All right, Kate... Did we just make a love connection? All right, so Kate, go for it.

And at any point, honey, you go, eh, and I'll go to you. What you gonna do? So in the scene right before the title came up, when he was in the Severus Snape wig, right with all the chest hair, the trainer said you are going to change your appearance. And so that's why he did all that. But he didn't.

You're not explaining the hotel part. I'm like boggling. No, he's in a fundamental plot thing. All right, that's a fundamental plot thing. Okay, okay. So when Genghis Khan goes to meet with the shadow the first time. He basically says, after you got trained,

the master wanted to take on a new disciple because he saw that he could do it. So he immediately got trained. Wait, I think I'm sorry. Can you say that again? He got immediately trained. And then so he actually, because then they also say later that the hotel disappeared six years ago.

So basically, Gangnam Style is in New York. By the way, hold on, Kate just said. Yes, right, well we're talking, she's talking about the hotel. I'm talking about a hotel. Got it. Guys, don't fight, you just fell in love.

So he's been in New York actually for six years. No. The whole, the whole. actually for six years. No. The whole. Wait, the movie? No, guys, no, no, no, no. The whole. Guys, no. He's hypnotized people to believe that the hotel has been gone for six years.

No, the hotel disappeared six years ago. Disappeared the hotel. It has to be somebody that's powerful enough and Genghis Khan could actually overtake. What did you just say? That's actually pretty good. It has to be somebody that's powerful enough and Genghis Khan could actually overtake What do you say? That's actually pretty good But this is, like here's the thing Genghis Khan could overtake the shadow and the only reason he went into the

He needed more power because he was draining his power So he went into the tomb and he was just trying to So he's been sitting in that hotel for six years You shouldn't care that much about this fucking movie. I'm just gonna say- This movie was ass. I'm gonna say that six, six people, six people watch this movie, one can describe it. One can explain it.

I feel a little better now because like, you, like, no. No, none of it. The reason why I don't agree with it is I feel a little better now because like you like no The reason why that I don't agree with it is why did the tomb arrive? Because it sucks And the people were like we didn't order this We didn't order it, we didn't order this. What is this? We didn't order it, but open it. We didn't order it. Right, so he needs to go into that.

Weird security guy, open it. Why not deliver it to himself? To the invisible hotel. Deliver it to the invisible hotel. Because then this movie would be good. But also, why kill the cab driver when everyone in your organization's also taking cabs? All the time?

You're keeping a record of where I'm going? There's gas. Also, why not just be like, yeah, the whole movie is Jedi mind tricks. Why not just be like, forget you ever drove me anywhere. Okay, cool. My power is suicide. Well, obviously we missed a lot of stuff.

I feel like... You don't think we did. But did we? I don't think we did. I don't think we did. Oh. This one's a bad one. What did this get on the tomatoes?

Well, the tomatoes ratings may not have been around at this point. Yeah, it doesn't have a tomatoes rating. I imagine it's... Oh, no, I remember I did see it. It was like 30%. Like in the 30s, low 30s. That's generous. Uh, but-

Cat in the Hat got 10%. So fuck Rotten Tomatoes. This movie in the grand scheme of things, the year that Far Scump, The Lion King, and True Lies came out, and according to the movies that we did in this show, it was Street Fighter and Junior beat this movie, but Color of Night did worse in this movie.

Just to give it some context. Let's go into the crowd here, because I think maybe the crowd might have some questions that we can kind of answer. 35%. 35%. I'll also take answers. Yes.

Like in a rare, how did this get made exclusive? Like, please give us answers. Okay, so sir, your name, your name, maybe the title of the sequel, and your question, here we go. My name is Rob, but the title would be the VO Superhero. Ooh, I like it. And I have got so much.

He says ha ha ha more than the Joker. I mean, he's a cloud at one point. But my biggest thing is Tim Curry. Oh, yeah. Why have we not talked about Tim Curry? Tim Curry was actually pretty great, I think. I like it. I think it's wonderful, but.

Oh, jeez. His suicide, his rapiness, all of it. Well, it's Tim Curry. He is playing his character from Rocky Horror Picture Show. It was interesting, though, that he committed suicide at the end, because then I started to think that he was, he believed that he was going to be, he did believe he was going to be reincarnated. I...

I'm not agreeing with that. I'm not disagreeing with that, yes. He wasn't... Wait, hold on. Tim Curry guy is getting back up. Was he being... Paul, Paul, just because he stands up, you don't need to go there. Good point. That's a good point.

I'll go back. Thank you, Jason. Because nobody was forcing him to commit suicide. Nobody was forcing him to commit suicide? He did that willingly. At a certain point, I started to feel like anything, and they spoke to it specifically. Was he under the bad guy's power the whole time?

Was he basically under the Imperius curse the whole time? I was trying to figure that out. No, the case was no. What a great excuse for being rapey. I was under this curse. Yeah. Sir, your name, your title of the sequel, if there ever would be one,

because it was a planned trilogy. And your question. Oh wow. Yes. It was a planned trilogy. And you're question was... Oh, wow. Yes. It was a planned trilogy, and they had a bunch of merchandise ready to go. Toys, lunch boxes, everything. Merchandise for an invisible hero?

What merchandise? Oh, look. They killed it all. I have it right here. I feel like it's big. Like this box. Empty box. Just fedora. All the kids running around with fedoras.

Oh wait, watch this. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Mom, can I get Ian McKellen for Christmas? My Ian McKellen action figure? And he doesn't know the difference between us. It comes with a red and a green wire. Ha ha ha.

But you get to see it in his version, which is just two gray wires. Okay, here you go. Name's Nathaniel, and actually, like I was gonna say, that's a trick question, because it would never be a sequel. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

My thing is- Wow. Calm down, everybody. We skipped a part at the beginning where it's like a harem and it's an opium dim. They bring the guy in, his faithful guy he grew up with, gets in front of him, they tell him to shoot him, right, to kill him, and then... And then Baldwin says like, he's like, you're like my father. Shoot him.

By the way, he couldn't have been like his father because he's only been there for... Six years. Everything in this movie is in six year intervals. Is his father also the knife? I wanna see the movie with a knife. Yeah, so then he shoots him, and then he tells a joke in like a foreign language, and everyone laughs about it, and I was just wondering what you guys thought

maybe the joke was. Ooh, that's a good question. You want us... to tell you what the joke was? The joke was, uh, after this movie, they're gonna make me Batman. Does anybody, uh... That deserved more.

That's true. Did anybody tell us what the joke was? Anyone know what... Anybody speak Mandarin? Yeah. It's not Completely impossible to assume it kind of is like Like a low-rent version of I guess what that movie doctor strange will eventually be like, you know I mean doctor strange. I mean I in a way I

Guess no. All right, here you go Sir your name your alternate title for the movie, and do your question. Alright, name's Jeremy. The movie would be Shadow 2, the parts that make sense. Nice! Jeremy spoke at the show today. Woo, woo, yeah, yeah, woo, woo! Like a lot of the movies, I think there is an entire second movie just of the parts that you're missing from this one. There's the training montage, there's the six-year build-up that

Sohwan Khan uses to get control over New York and then hypnotize them from a building being gone that isn't explained at all. So wait, do you think this movie takes place over six years? I don't think he was there for six years, guys. No, but they say that when the building disappeared six years ago, he had to have started something. But he's hypnotized people to believe that. Yes, yeah. But it's not a real time thing. Or is he making you think it went away six years ago?

That's what I'm saying. He's hypnotized you to believe. But what happened to those people who were in the hotel six years ago? They booked it on Expedia and then they get there and they're like, wait a second. Don't they say that they sold the building to somebody? Somebody in the Far East and then it disappeared.

Somebody foreign. OK, sorry, Jeremy's got this. Yeah, they sold it to somebody in the Far East and then nobody remembers it being torn down, but it disappeared right after that. So, obsessively bought it and then hypnotized everybody to it not existing anymore. There's... Why are you so nervous?

Allegedly. It's probably, it's probably tied to that llama cigarettes cause that's what he uses to hypnotize both of the lanes. Right? That's true. That's, that, that is like some sort of antenna. And that may be true, but what may not be true is that he's actually been

in New York City for six years. Yeah, he could just be pulling down over there. I'm just gonna throw down one more thing. I could make you something. Why even make the hotel invisible? Just lock the doors. No one will ask any questions. It's not like you would question, like, why is that building here?

Well, the whole movie is predicated on things being invisible. Yeah, but I do think your point is valid because I think if I were in New York and, you know, maybe a small business owner or... Oh. Doing what? What do you think? Wanting to open up a shop, a flower shop or some such.

I would look at that property and think, wow. Oh, you're gonna open a would look at that property and think, wow. Oh, you're gonna open a flower shop of that property? I would want it to be a flower shop owner in another life. But I would think to myself, God, it's been vacant for so long. I bet I can get it for a steal.

I bet I can get it, yeah. Because the longer it stays empty. And put up a hotel-sized flower shop on this plot. But I agree, it begs more questions of people. Do you think maybe it was a metaphor for, you know, maybe people from the Asian-American community and like the 1940s were really not seen? Especially in Midtown and then having a big business.

Yes. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Yes, Paul. Thank you, yeah. Do we ever get to your question? No. Jeremy?

The question I had goes back to his telepathically killing people or making them kill themselves. He has the taxi driver drive into a gas station directly adjacent to the lot of the hotel that he is taking control of. Why would you blow a gas station up in the building you're hiding into? Well, I think similarly, when Tim Curry asks him during the final act, is there an airplane that's gonna get us out of here? He says, yeah, there is, but I don't think there was.

So was he planning on dying with that atom bomb exploding? I guess my answer is I don't know. What was his plan in general? Why was he going to blow up an atom bomb in New York? World domination. He did say world domination. He was saying give me money right? But he never really said that to anybody besides the shadow. It was on the newspaper. It was on the newspaper. Oh, yeah, it was on the news. Good, okay, that's good.

A newsie gave us that piece of advice, that piece of plot. I gotta go to these people who are wearing shirts. What do we got? This guy has a shirt that says, a man who belongs atop a pencil. 88 minutes. And then you are wearing the Koumete shirt.

I love it. Two homemade shirts. Okay. Oh my gosh, we got fan art. This is amazing. Do you have a question? Okay, what's your name, your title, and here you go. My name is Mallory.

It would be Shadow 2 Shad-dont. Love that. So I feel like we've all watched this movie and maybe didn't understand it. Where, are we gonna explain the red rings? Everyone is wearing a red ring and no one has talked about this. Well, the red rings are to keep the shadow people together

but then they're also going off at inopportune times that would also call a lot of attention. It would be like wearing the bat signal on Batman's chest. And there's so many. So it'd be like, hey, Bruce Wayne, why is there a Bat-Signal on your chest? Ugh, never mind, I have to leave. And there's so many of them that I feel like

you would be constantly running into people and be like, oh, you're a Shadow Bro? Yeah. Total Shadow Bro, bro. And the other thing is that we're told in the beginning that... The Shat Bros? The Shadow Bros are actually only gonna be called upon by using this secret exchange of, like,

it's rainy outside today or whatever that was. Yeah. I Googled what was the point of the hotel and the shadow, and there's nothing. Ha-ha-ha! It don't exist. I would have loved it if like while walking through the lobby of the hotel like Jack Nicholson had been there on a typewriter.

You know what though wouldn't it have been cooler if the Shad Bros did a thing where they would whisper like a whisper campaign like hey they murdered somebody at the museum the next one murder like and that's how he got information like through a whisper network. It was a combination of past notes. That disappeared. Pneumatic tubes and rings that lit up. It was very convoluted. And imagine trying to put in all those pneumatic tubes like they seem to be very visible and like well why is there a tube shooting out of that building connecting to it? And very ramshackle. I kept being like, oh somebody's got to be repairing these constant... The pneumatic upkeep alone must be breaking the shadows back.

Guys can I get a mechanic, Can I get some more Shad Bros that can fix these pneumatic tubes? I will call upon you to fix my pneumatic tubes. You didn't even really save my life. You're just making me do work. Now saved your life, so you will fix my pneumatic tube. I wasn't even standing in the street. I wasn't.

You think I don't see that you haven't fixed my pneumatic tube? Isn't that guy's gotta work there all the time in the pneumatic tube depot. I love when Peter Boyle, his ring goes off when he's with his wife and he's like, oh, I gotta go. And she's like, oh, come on.

All right, sir, your name, your title, and your question. My name is Daniel. My sequel title is The Shadow Knows Too Much. Ooh, interesting. So I have a quick comment. One, I think the reason he went to the museum is because he mentioned the Tibetan tapestries were really nice.

That's where he got the six tapestries to match his floor and his lair. Wait, wait, wait. Wait. What? He was like, the Tibetan tapestries are really excellent in your collection. That's not why he was delivered to a fucking museum.

It was an inside job to steal tapestries. If that's the whole reason, he's like, all right, so I'm gonna make this hotel disappear, but then what's like getting that all set up? I wish that was the movie. Because that, I could be like, I get it. He wanted the tapestries. An Ocean's Eleven of tapestries?

Okay, so then I'm gonna get into sarcophagus. You guys are gonna ship me to the museum. The tapestries were like so then I'm gonna get into sarcophagus. You guys are gonna ship me to the museum. The tapestries were like the rugs that he laid down into the Garden State thing yeah. Yes, he kept disappearing into it. Did something come out of the tapestry? Yes. He did. He made the matching robe. The squares? Yeah. What was that? I feel like, can I say, I feel like Maroon Shirt has all the answers. I know. Maroon Shirt, do you know what's up? Hold on, come back to you. Stay here, stay here.

Danielle, sit down. Let's see. Maroon Shirt. Maroon Shirt. Colorblind, right. What question? Do you know anything more that you're not letting on? I feel like you have answers. What do you know that, yeah, that we shouldn't know?

What's the story of this movie? What question do you want answered? What's the story of this movie? What question do you want answered? What's the story of this movie? Start from the beginning and finish at the end. With the squares, he's doing some sort of like power ritual where he needs to summon power to do something. So he's doing this thing, concentrating on the squares that come out, they do a little dance, and then they like rush back into the tapestry

and he goes, like he's had some sort of power. You just described what you saw Understand from the movie like is that does that connect it to anything we've seen Is he just I'm mean, is Danielle right? Do the tapestries themselves have power? That he is happening? Guys, what's this fucking movie about? I'm furious. All right, so, by the way, now we're getting

into the dozens of people who cannot explain this movie. That's a bad sign. There's bad movies, but if you can't even get to A to B, we're in trouble. All right, so Alec Baldwin, mirrored to Kim Basinger at a time, right, was in Batman. Batman and the mythology was inspired by Grey Ghost, which was a character based off of the shadow.

Alec Baldwin, did this movie as a power play in his relationship? Thoughts? Oh! Great question. Oh, guys. Baldwin, did this movie as a power play in his relationship? Thoughts? Oh. Great question. Oh, guys. I love that everybody's like, ooh, burn. Like, but Alec Baldwin's like, I'm gonna get back at my wife through comics.

I'll upset the comic balance of our relationship. Okay. Question better asked without an answer. Here we go. Your name, your title, and your question. My name is Killian and my title would be Shadow Revenge of the Knife. Nice.

All right. So I actually have like a theory on who Lamont actually is. Ooh, great. Lamont is actually Peter Pan. I'm listening. Yeah, yeah, let me explain. Peter Pan and his shadow. So Peter Pan and his shadow.

So Peter Pan and his shadow are two different entities, right? So the shadow of Peter Pan can be captured. So the shadow is inside of Lamont. Okay, so Lamont was Peter Pan. I'm listening. In Neverland. All right, he starts growing up. They kick him out of Neverland because he's aging.

So he wants his revenge, but he needs funding for his They kick him out of Neverland because he's aging. So he wants his revenge, but he needs funding for his revenge to get back into Neverland. But in that process, forgets about Neverland. All right, forgets about Neverland. He forgets about it? You are insane.

Yeah, I know, right? You're an insane person. That's the only way this makes sense. That's the only way. That's the only way. It actually does make way more sense than the movie. Yeah, right? Like, so he forgets about Neverland,

and he just goes on this quest to... He doesn't know why he's trying to, like, slaughter people and get all this money for revenge, because he's thought about Neverland. By the way, I would also watch that movie. I love it. Because that adds up more than this does. Well, because I do love the sort of metaphorical,

like, reuniting with your shadow self, with the, you know, the bad part of yourself that you don't like to admit, that you don't like to look at, but is always with you. He's evil at the beginning, right? He's just straight-up villain. He killed his... Yeah, he kills that guy. He's an opium guy.

Yeah, he has cocaine fingers. He likes cocaine so much that it's just not the pinky. It's all ten fingers. So at any likes cocaine so much that it's just not the pinky. It's all ten fingers. So at any given point, if one finger gets tired. I see that as somebody very generous because they've got it one for themselves. So he's like a serving tray of cocaine?

It's like everybody can come and get a little bit. It's like more communal, it's not selfish. Like, here I am doing coke. It's like, hey everybody, come on, come over here, everybody. Family, family, who knows, is it touching? We're all good friends. These are great, all great theories, all good questions. All right, I'm gonna go back to Maroon shirt,

because we have to. What do you think? What do you have? Okay, so my name's Tim and the sequel would be The Lady Shadow, where he trains Penelope Ann Miller to be, now they're like a shadow team. Yep. Anyway. We liked it. So my comment is when they're in the noodle shop and he's got his business suit on,

Alec Baldwin's like, hey, that's the US of A you're talking about, pal. Then they both draw their guns, shoot at each other, and the bullets hit each other, but they didn't make that happen. They have a bond and look at each other like, oh shit, did that just happen? Yeah.

Yeah. Just so we can talk about it. Well, it's because they were trained by the same person. But were they really? Pfft. So, wow, so it's a Harry Potter thing. Their wands are connected. Oh, you think it's because they both have the same

thing inside, the same phoenix feather? Who has a really good question? I see you're, okay, you have a good question, all right. You're wearing a cool shirt. I like this. The older one has the elder one. Wait, what is this? Don't know. Really good question. I see you're okay. You have a good question. You're wearing a cool shirt. I like this. Wait, what is this? Sir, your name, your title, and your question.

My name's Jason. Prove it. You recognized the Jason. I didn't realize that. No, no, no. Is it? Are you really named Jason? Yes, sir.

All right. Oh, she's nodding. So I believe it. All right, get cool. All right, this guy seems like a good guy. I didn't realize that. I don't know. Is it? The title. Are you really named Jason? Yes, sir. All right, oh, she's nodding. So I believe it. All right, get cool.

All right, this guy seems to get it. The single would be The Shadow 2, pissing away millions more. And my question, so my understanding of the powers is, as far as the building and our- Oh, I have a question for you, though. Do you consider yourself to be the Jason of your group? Yes sir, because my name is Jason, which is the main qualifier.

So you're probably the Jason of your group. Cool, cool, go ahead. So, the way that he and the building both would disappear was hypnosis based. They didn't actually turn invisible, which is why he still cast a shadow. So my question is, why didn't that gigantic building cast a shadow? Oh! Nice.

Bam! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! I think- Wait, wait.

I think because- They've been hypnotized. I don't think the shadow is hypnotizing people to not see him He's just becoming a shadow his shadow is still visible because but that's just because of whatever I think the hypnosis I think the hypnosis of the building is not the same thing You don't see me right now you see me is it now you see me three shadow Shadow Bros revenge of the shadow bros? Who thinks they're gonna have the questions

gonna really knock it out of the park? All right, the confidence is high with this guy over here. All right, here we go. Final question, I think. Here we go, final question. Cause we're not making any headway. Your name, your name. We're further down the rabbit hole.

I think we actually know less about the movie. I feel, yeah, I really feel like, yeah. Name, title, question. David, I'm gonna steal from June. Shadow Bros. starring all the bald ones. Okay, if you want to see a movie about the knife, you can. It was The Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy. It's the same knife which-

Same actor from the beginning too. Yes, which means this is probably a prequel to the Golden Child. Holy shit. Wait, is that real? Yes. It's not the same knife really. It's just there's also the knife.

I mean it looks very, wait. I'll find out. They're the same prop. What? It's the same knife. Same face. No. Same form. Wait, is this real?

The Golden Child is it called? Yes. An Eddie Murphy, an Eddie Murphy movie. I'll fucking find out if you're lying or not. Eddie Murphy movie with some of the, I mean it's definitely some of the actors are in the same movie. If this is a prequel to Golden Child.

We have not succeeded in making one movie. Oh my God, it is the same fucking night. Ha ha ha! I'm gonna take a lot of it. Okay. Holy shit! So wait. Golden Child is a sequel to...

Wow. Wait, do these movies take place in the same cinematic universe? That is crazy. That is it. It might be a little bigger. That's pretty great. That's a good call. Yeah, cause the guy is always like,

making fun of Eddie Murphy is, is the guy in the beginning who gets shot. Yeah. What? Oh my God, it actually says, it's the knife from the shadow. It's the exact same knife. If you Google the golden child knife, the shadow knife comes up.

But it looks a little bigger. By the way, we made a joke about it earlier. That knife got a lot of work. Holy shit. And it was bad in both movies. Well this is amazing. Wow. Obviously we had an opinion, let's type in golden child knife just so we see.

What? Golden child knife. Huh? There we go. So you can go. No, no, I need to know if that really happened because I've been doing a lot of drugs and now I don't know if you say Google. There it is.

Same knife. Just so you can... No, no, I need to know if that really happened because I've been doing a lot of drugs, and now I don't know if you say Google. There it is. Same knife, just so you can see it. Wow. Why? That doesn't, that only makes this movie worse. Well, we can buy it for 12 bucks. Buy it.

Guys? At WholesalesWorld.com. WholesalesWorld.com. I want everybody to reach under your seats. Everybody get the knife. Murder each other. Wow. Only five people can leave this room.

Now look to the left, it says the shout, yeah. Yeah, there it is. Wow. This is very bizarre. But also the other images, also bizarre. Yep. This is a very visual part of the podcast. You were looking for the shadow knife.

Wanna see a picture of this girl in a bikini? The second episode where we're just Googling images and enjoying them all. Okay. So obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are some people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

Okay, here we go. These are five-star reviews cold from Amazon. Let me just tell you, the reviews for this film were so angry. And they're mad at Batman. They are mad at Batman the character, Batman the movie. They have a lot to say.

I'm gonna read you some of my favorites. Here we go, this is from Priscilla Stetford. The shadow is something like Batman, Superman, and the Phantom in other comic book hero movies, but on the other hand, it's very unlike them in that I totally loved it. I've always loved good looking Alec Baldwin. I like that qualifier. I don't love not good looking Alec Baldwin. I like that qualifier. I don't love not good looking Alec Baldwin,

also known as Stephen Baldwin. I have to say though, he does look amazing in this movie. He's a hunk and a half. In this movie, his acting and expressions are very good. Which I took both acting and expressions. Oh, you have to. Did you take gestures? I took gestures. Oh, I failed gestures.

And then it goes, you know at the end where Baldwin has the hat, the cape and the scarf off, his outfit really looks like Neo's in the movie, The Matrix. Alec Baldwin looks so cool wearing this outfit with his chrome 45s in his hands. Exclamation point, exclamation point. This was written by Alec Baldwin. Five stars.

This is from Eric Hildebrand. In my opinion, this is a better film than Burton's or anyone else's Batman. It was written in 2008. That's a real fuck you to Schumacher right there. Here are the reasons, here are the reasons that it makes it better. One, a deeper backstory,

an even more ambivalent protagonist. That is simply untrue. Two, richer characterizations. Three, better co-stars. Uh, yeah. I mean, there are some good ones. Yeah. Jack Nicholson's pretty good.

Yeah. I mean, like him. But yeah, I guess I would take maybe this cast. Peter Boyle, Ian McKellen, Yeah, this has good. Tim Curry. Yeah, I would take this. All right, that wins, 1.1s. A better plot.

No. No, I could argue that we could describe Batman. Yeah. Pretty simply. Even from memory. Better special effects. Draw. Same.

Yeah, same. A more interesting female lead. Boo! You think Kim Basinger versus Kim Basinger? Draw? Same. Yeah, same. A more interesting female lead. Boo! Is that Kim Basing or a verse? I guess she was more interesting than Kim Basing. She's less of a damsel. Well, she does get her own, like, you know, when the bad guy hypnotizes her to kill him,

like there's a little bit of, like, business to that. But again, like why is she so able to get into his house with a gun? Very easy. Okay, and then this is where it gets off the rails. One of the greatest achievements of this production is that somehow the director avoided the temptation to overlay a modern sensibility onto 1930s characters. Many recent superhero films have imposed

a Beverly Hills 90210, or Melrose Place approach to characterization. This was written in 2008. Um, which is a loathsome, a loathsome idea. More loathsome is that Frank Miller, Sin City approach to character, which can best be described as Mickey Spillane on meth. Whoa!

Besides predating Batman, the Shadow is many ways more of an interesting character. The Shadow has a couple of 45 caliber pistols and used powers of mesmerism to cloud men's minds. Also, the Shadow wore regular clothes but disguised himself with an overcoat,

a slouch hat, and a scarf, which is way more stylish and less sissy than leotards. Five stars. Doesn't Tim Curry call him a sissy? Yes. I feel like he uses that word a lot because he sounds like Tim Curry. Yeah.

Like sissy. It is. It's so confusing. I mean, I guess we've already gone over this, but like why the shadows It is, it's so confusing. I mean, I guess we've already gone over this, but like why the shadow's power is mind control. Like why not just be a shadow and lean into that? You see, yeah. Yeah, just enjoy that one power. Be a shadow. And the power of being a shadow.

Running around real fast. Well, you know, he isn't a shadow. What? He can become a shadow. No, I don't think so. All you see is his shadow. Right, but one of his, but what his power is, is being just a shadow.

No. No. No. No. No. This is where we are. We're at the end of the show and have just discovered this disagreement

wherein half of us believe that his superpower is to become a shadow. The movie is called The Shadow. Right, all you see, he becomes invisible and all you can see is his shadow, right? But he is a physical, invisible man, right? He's got the size of a man. Well of course, he could have. He is a real man, but, right? He's got the sideburns. Well, of course, he could have. He is a real man, but he can become a shadow.

Don't get angry. You know what, guys? I don't care anymore. Okay. No, this we need to get to the, I will stay here all goddamn night. Of course. Bust the other movie, fuck the other crowd.

I only wanna get to the bottom of this piece of shit. Who here thinks that he is just a man? And, uh, well, I guess the question would be, who here thinks he's a shadow just by applause? Like, he can turn into a literal shadow by applause. Really? Who here thinks that he just... What do you think, Jason?

Wait, go to the... What's the crawl at the beginning? Alright, the crawl at the beginning is this. He learns to cloud minds. So it goes, The price of redemption for Cranston was to take up man's struggle against evil. The too cool taught him to cloud men's minds, Fog their vision through the force of concentration, Leaving visible the only thing he can never hide, his shadow.

Yes. Yeah! Don't worry about it, guys. Don't worry about it. Those of you who doubted me, don't worry about it. Well, this is my favorite review because this is someone who truly gets the movie. This is from Eve William, written in 2000. Lone displays a modern version of Iago.

He must seduce the hero by joining him. The conquest of a new empire controlling the whole world. Great lessons come to display by Baldwin, and you see Baldwin refusing the temptation and returns to mankind the righteousness in which it deserves. Quickly you see Baldwin in mind controlling a piece of broken mirror in the final scene that ends the dream of a tyrant.

Five stars. All right, can I go back to this for one second? That review is better written than the movie. Go ahead, J. I see where, okay, I see it. Now I'm understanding from the text, but if his main power weren't to be completely invisible, then why wouldn't he just be a shadow all the time?

Like, why is he not a shadow all the time if that's the pinnacle of his powers? I don't think that is, I don't think it's, well, he's not a shadow. He uses his ability to cloud men's minds so they can't see him, so that he seems to be everywhere and nowhere. They don't know where, like the guy in the beginning, shooting wildly because he can't figure out

where this guy is and that's why the cackling laugh and that's why it is all this kind of disembodied threat, but as we see, he can be shot. You know, he can be hit and he starts to bleed. So you could definitely still stay in the hotel. He could stay, yeah, no. The hotel still, you could still have like a king-sized bed hit and he starts to bleed. So you could definitely still stay in the hotel. He could stay in the hotel. Yeah, no. The hotel still, you could still have, like,

a king-size bed. He could go to bed. He could go to bed. You wouldn't see him on the bed, but you would see the indentation of him on the bed. And we'll continue this conversation on the wrap-up show. We'll just continue the after show. Oh.

I guess I'm just shocked at how complicated this power is. I'm shocked. I can't, I don't know from what's happening. I don't feel good about this. I don't, I didn't enjoy it. I didn't enjoy any of this. This was, this was-

I don't care to talk about it anymore, actually. Yeah, we really don't. I feel with that, we about it anymore, actually. Yeah, please don't. I feel with that, we can't go any further. We have discussed it. We have talked to so many people here. No one can make sense of this fucking movie. Paul, can I ask the audience a question? Go ahead.

By applause, who thinks they understood the movie? Okay, good, good. Because I really thought they're all gonna applaud and we're idiots. I'm surprised that we didn't. But no, I'm glad, I'm glad. Like one fourth of the audience got this movie. And I bet those like five people who clapped are like, well, I listened to all the radio plays.

They're all on audible. Well, obviously, I guess we can answer this question, but would you recommend this movie Pete? No. June? No. That's really, really genuinely, and I mean this from the bottom of my tiny stone heart, no. I'm gonna just finish it up and say, nope. So that is a big answer for all you there.

If you want to find out more about this movie, you can definitely read the article, the companion piece article up on SlashFilm written by Blake Harris. I don't know who he's getting yet, but it will be good. As we've just found out recently in Mannequin 2, some really great stuff. Yeah, so he's getting to the bottom of this. But if you want to have anything that you would like to add, you can give us a call at 619-PAUL-ASK.

That's A-S-K, Paul Ask, not Paul Ass. It's not Paul Ass? No. No, you sure? Because I've been leaving messages. I am actually very... I'm gonna put down my foot and say I'm pissed off at people calling Paul Ass with movie-related questions. That is a line for sensuality.

That is a line for adult talk, not movie talk. Call this 619 Paul Ass for movie talk. Paul Ass is where you get dirty dog on the phone. I get adult with other adults. Yeah. That's what I do. So, let's say where we are gonna be. Pete, you have anything you want to plug?

My stand-up special will air on Comedy Central October 15th. Now, are you a shadow in this? Are you totally corporeal? Are you visible? My stand-up special will air on Comedy Central October 15th. Now, are you a shadow in this? Are you totally corporeal? Are you visible? No, I'm very visible and very drunk. So enjoy it, everybody. Wait, you said October 15th on Comedy Central?

Yes. All right, great. June? You can check out Grace and Frankie. Season one and two are both on Netflix. Woo! Jason. I got nothing. I'm gonna also just pass a buck and say,

yeah, I got nothing. I mean, you can follow us, I guess, on the How Did This Get Made Twitter. Yeah, you can follow us on Twitter and on our Facebook page. So eat shit. Yeah, we're at HDTGM, and we're on the Facebook at How Did This Get Made.

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