How Did This Get Made? - The Ugly Truth LIVE!

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

What's the Ugly Truth of this 2009 rom-com starring Katherine Heigl and HDTGM all-star Gerard Butler? Paul, June, and Jason travel all the way to Glasgow, Scotland to crack the case. They analyze the ...hot air balloon climax, a child bringing Katherine Heigl to orgasm via remote controlled vibrating underwear, all the bonkers fashion choices, and so much more. Plus, June gives flirty texting advice to help all you single listeners. Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Pre-Order Paul’s book about his childhood, Joyful Recollections of Trauma, wherever books are soldFor extra Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerHDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Women are from Mars and men are from Scotland. We've saw the ugly truth, so you know what that means. What's up, Jokes? That's right, London, here we go. Hello, people of Dublin. J-Man, Big Paul and the beautiful Jew. Gonna take you to the good news. That's right, London! Here we go! Hello, people of Dublin! J-Man digs all in the beautiful June
Starting point is 00:00:28 Gonna take you to the gloom while the wind is the room Thunderpants! I've got a lot to say! I took notes! I'm not okay. People of Dublin! Belfast! Things full of farts.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Eat em all! Rupert farts. Eat em all. Rupert Ripper changed his name name name. You're getting little, Jason is getting lame. I'm so upset, I hate this. That's my ugly truth. This place is full of bees. It's a real question for you, how did this kid pay? Get this guy out of here!
Starting point is 00:01:00 Hello people of Earth! And hello people of Earth! And hello, people of Scotland! We are live in Glasgow for a very special Easter Sunday show with Scotland's patron saint Gerard Butler. For a movie that has not just one Scottman, but two. That's right. I'm also counting Craig Ferguson. Tonight's movie, if you didn't see it, it's a 2009 rom-com that shows that men are pigs,
Starting point is 00:01:38 and to get a good man, a woman's got to become a pig. Or something like that. I will say this, this movie is confused about what it is teaching. And it also feels like it should have come out in 1987. And it almost did, because this script was on the shelf for 12 years. And then someone decided to do a rewrite of it,
Starting point is 00:02:06 and then we got this, Catherine Heigl's second highest grossing movie. Two hundred and six million dollars. This shit worked. We'll break it all down. But first, please welcome my co-host, Mr. Jason Manzoukas. What's up, jerks? That's right. That's right Scotland! Yeah! Here we are in Scotland finally
Starting point is 00:02:52 getting to talk about Gerard Butler. It was daylight savings last night. Yeah, oh I know. I did not know. Because it happened in America three weeks ago. I already lost an hour this year. You're telling me I gotta give another back to you fucks? I'm sitting in bed and I genuinely was like, did I just black out for an hour? And truly got upset and feel like you people have robbed me of a second hour of my life. Never mind having to watch this dogshit movie
Starting point is 00:03:27 starring your king in exile. My king too. Jason. Paul. I saw this film in the theater. I paid for it now twice. Oh, this movie, 419 to rent to rent, $4.99 to buy. I was like, of course I'm not going to buy this.
Starting point is 00:03:49 I have rented it four times on three devices. I should have just bought it. I've rented it. I have self-financed a sequel to this movie, I believe. This movie, what's great about it is, it's really rewatchable. Well, I will say it ages well. Wait a second, wait a second. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Ladies and gentlemen, my other co-host has stormed the stage, Judea Ann Raphael. Thank you so much. I could not wait a moment longer. Welcome. So sorry, June. No, I couldn't.
Starting point is 00:04:29 You both are about to get into it, and I couldn't wait back there. Well give it up for June one more time. That's my ugly truth. And I will say this, June, how are you? I'm well, how are you, Paul? I'm well, thank you for asking. You and I saw this movie together. I don't remember that.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Okay, I do, I do remember that. So for a while, I would say from the years of 2014 to actually quite recently, whenever Paul and I would see a movie it meant we were leaving very small children at home. And so every movie we saw in the theater to us was the best movie ever. When we saw Four Christmases over Thanksgiving. We didn't have children. We didn't have children but we were leaving a very intense kind of family situation. We
Starting point is 00:05:23 went to the theater and we both turned to each other and said, this is the best movie we've ever seen. I recently rewatched, I tried to watch that movie this year. It is absolute horseshit. It is, but at the time I was like, this is just so good. Now, I don't remember seeing this movie, but I have to be upfront. I liked it.
Starting point is 00:05:43 movie, but I have to be upfront. I liked it. This movie is what a snapshot of an era. Time and a place. What a time. The soundtrack is absolutely insufferable. The clothing is preposterous. See, I disagree. I think this is a snapshot of an era that was before this movie.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Like, we look at it now, like, oh, this was definitely like 2004, 2005. Is it not? 2009. Okay. But you have to imagine... Was it on a shelf for four years? No, it just... Here's the thing, you have to imagine it was written in 2004.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Yes. Okay. Got greenlit in like 2005, 2006. Okay. It's got big early 2005. It's definitely early 2000s. I need to talk about the wardrobe. Please. Start talking, never stop. So, the beginning before the big change happens.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Oh, yes. Oh, the makeover montage, the makeover scenes and then the date montage are just gold. But I could not take my eyes off her shirts. And there wasn't a single blouse, because they were all blouses, that made any sense. Every...
Starting point is 00:07:04 No outfit made any... So much so that when he says you've got to dress different, I was like, thank God. Thank you. Yes. Thank God there's a man here to tell her what's up. She does. I have a theory. My theory is that this, like, Gerard Butler in this movie
Starting point is 00:07:20 could be the gay best friend. Well, you know what, Paul? Because there are blouses. I know you want to move off the blouses, but we're going to stay here for another minute. I will also say, once we finish talking about blouses, I'd love to talk about hair. Oh, we're going to go into hair, and then we're
Starting point is 00:07:36 going to segue quite nicely and easily into belts. I'm here for the blouse discussion. I'm just saying that I felt like he acts as if he is a gay best friend. Yes, and there are some ugly truths that he has to tell her. And one of them is burn your wardrobe. Yes. The blouses, there was one that I could have sworn had a hood. There were every single sleeve was surprising. That dissonance that's created with very low rise skinny jeans
Starting point is 00:08:13 and then a small ish top that is all hooded and long sleeves. Now, so like it really cuts the body up in a strange way. How about the t-shirt vest? That long t-shirt gray vest that had not one skinny belt around it, but two. Why not? Here, here, there it is right there. The t-shirt vest, you can all see it. What I...
Starting point is 00:08:44 I mean, come on. And look at those sleeves have something. Well, yeah, the sleeves have a button-up, like, a thing. And, like, she might as well have epaulettes on in certain outfits. I had a shirt like this that a commercial casting director liked, and I always was like, gotta button up my sleeve.
Starting point is 00:09:04 And I like the idea of gotta button up my sleeve. And I like the idea of buttoning up a sleeve. Like I'm holding it in place. Oh, as if this sleeve, gravity is pulling it to the ground. Like the shirt is made out of lead. I'm just fighting. If only I had a snap or a button.
Starting point is 00:09:22 If only I had some piece of technology to make wearing the sleeve easier. Clamp it up. Meanwhile, I just will tell you, I don't want to, I'm not moving on from her, but he wears this absolute, really ridiculous sweatshirt on the air, off the air. This is his best look.
Starting point is 00:09:39 What I didn't like about that was it showed me that he, like not that he doesn't give a fuck, but it's like he should give a little bit of a fuck. Like he's on television. I feel like, and I'm just conjecturing here. I feel like this is Jerry Butler's sweatshirt. No, a thousand percent. And he was like, I want to wear this.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Jason, you know, and I studied his closeups. And by the way, I'm a huge fan. Huge! Huge fan. The movie didn't start until he came on screen, as far as I was concerned. But you know, in every shot, I studied those close-ups because I'm like, wow, he did not... There's no way he sat in a makeup chair
Starting point is 00:10:19 for any amount of time. And he looks so hungover. Yeah. He's visibly sweaty in a lot of the movie. Visibly sweaty. And is exuding so much charisma as to force everybody else out of the movie. He's so, so compelling to watch. It's incredible. I became a male chauvinist just watching it.
Starting point is 00:10:41 I'm like, I'm sold. I'm on board. I stand with him. I stand with him. Oh stand with him. Believe Jerry. Yes! He could out Andrew Tate, Andrew Tate right now. I'm ready for it. He's espousing beliefs I find horrid and reprehensible. And I was like, yes! Go! Preach my preach! Can I tell you the scene where he turned around after Colin,
Starting point is 00:11:05 and we'll talk about Colin for a little while, but after Colin was in the... What a dud! After Colin was in the hotel room, when he turned around and walked away from that room, before she came out, I cried. If only... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:19 If only Colin was played by James Marsden. We needed someone that had... We needed life that had life. He's supposed to be a dud, but you're right. He should have also had more charisma, more of a something. And Marsden's a great one. Because it's like, you don't want her with him,
Starting point is 00:11:34 but you don't also understand why. I'll take a speedman. Yeah, give me a speakman. Give me a Scott speakman. I'm ready. But the thing is that that's... Give me anyone from Felicity. But that's what the...
Starting point is 00:11:44 The thing is, the ugly truth of it all is that he... I love... Are you getting paid every time you say the title? Ding! Incredible. And by the way, so many, so many movies that were made during this time, positive world in which every single woman under 30 or 40 and under has a checklist. I've never known a woman to have a checklist.
Starting point is 00:12:07 I mean, maybe there's one thing which is like have a job or, I mean, but the idea that women at this time had like a giant checklist. She feels like she's from like olden days. Like she feels like her- He must curtsy for me before I get into my carriage. Her checklist is so thorough as to be a... And my boy, Jerry Butler, points out a pure fiction.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Pure fiction that at her age, she... Everybody in the movie feels like they're written to be 21 instead of 36. But the problem with this movie though is... It's flawless? Well, yes. I mean, because... Well, because that's the thing though, is that this is where I did enjoy the movie.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Because I was like, yeah, his ideas about women, her ideas about men are just as ludicrous, are just as absurd. Like, he can't see women, but she can't really see a man either. So, my God, that's the ugly truth. But, yeah, I mean... But, June! But, June! No, no, no! I agree.
Starting point is 00:13:12 That's it. I agree! That's the ugly truth. June! June! June! June! I think you misread the movie, because at the end of the movie... What?
Starting point is 00:13:22 He makes her him! And it works! And then that's it! So, he makes her him. And it works. And then that's it. So he's right. No, but she makes him her. Very slightly. She makes him her.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Did she do love? Oh, no. He was already heartbroken. He said he's in love with her. She doesn't do that. And he has to say it multiple times. Yes. He's been hurt before, Paul.
Starting point is 00:13:43 At the end of the movie. He's been hurt. At a certain point, he says, go with Collin because he doesn't want to see her multiple times. Yes, he's been hurt before, Paul. At the end of the movie. He's been hurt. At a certain point, he says, go with Colin, because he doesn't want to see her get hurt. Because he doesn't trust himself. Beth, play clip eight. I don't like that you can do this. I had a momentary lapse in judgment
Starting point is 00:13:59 when I thought you were more than you are, but you aren't, clearly. Oh yeah? What does that mean? I'm like Chadway. I like girls in Jell-O. I like to fuck like a monkey. Don't fall in love. It's scary.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Yeah, it is scary. It's terrifying. Especially when I'm in love with a psycho like you. I am not a psycho! Ha ha! Love? Oh! I just told you that I loved you, and all you heard was psycho.
Starting point is 00:14:23 You're the definition of neurotic. No, the definition of neurotic is a person who suffers from anxiety, obsessive thoughts, compulsive acts, and physical ailments without any objective evidence of- Shut up. Yet again, I just told you I'm in love with you and you're standing here giving me a vocabulary lesson. You're in love with me. Why? You took shit out of me.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Incredible. That's what I am. No speech, no nothing. No, they don't need it. They don't need it. Although I will say, I agree, she has behaved like a psycho the whole movie. He has not made any change. He is still a straight shooter.
Starting point is 00:15:08 He's like, I said you're a psycho and that's all you hear. Look, I love you, what else do you need? She's like, all right, I'm in, let's go. That's how the movie ends. Like he has not changed one iota. He's not incapable. Oh, he for sure has. He's made himself vulnerable
Starting point is 00:15:22 in ways that Paul, you are not willing to see. This is the only moment where, like, at one point, Craig Ferguson fucking asks him a hardball question on that show, and he... What? He had a fucking robot talking horse on that show. He's asking, who broke your heart? When did he become fucking Oprah?
Starting point is 00:15:44 Yeah. And it rattles him. Rattles him. It rattles him. And that's the one moment where he's supposed to be like, oh, he's not such an asshole. I guess. Like, we get no detail.
Starting point is 00:15:56 We get no detail about what was heart. I had a heartbreak once. Oh, now I'm a relatable character. No, not once. He says it happened many times. Many times. It's gonna happen again. Yeah. Oh, yeah, because he can't stay with this psycho.
Starting point is 00:16:11 The woman who does a background check and says to her first date, kudos on your comprehensive car insurance. If I'm Eve from Entourage, I am like, and goodbye, madam. What? And I'm Eve from Entourage. I am like, and goodbye, madam. What? And I'm E from Entourage? By the way, E is five-five, not five-eight.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Yeah. I thought that way. Yeah. Is that true? That is true. I did write at the very beginning, who is the protagonist of this movie? Well, I guess that's a good place to start, because my big question was, what is this show? Is it a news show? Is it an entertainment show?
Starting point is 00:16:53 I thought you were talking about this show. This? Paul, this is How Did This Get Made. Oh, shit. Um, no, I wrote it over and over again, because I thought it was one thing, then it was a different... It is a...
Starting point is 00:17:07 When it was revealed to be local Sacramento, I was like, okay. Can I just tell you, and I don't mean... She keeps saying it's her show, like she created the news? I also... I don't want to play down to you, Scotland, at all, and this is also for people on the podcast.
Starting point is 00:17:22 You did say before the show, these people are idiots. Yeah, you said that, Paul. That's only because I was next to a person from London. Now... what I will say is this. Sacramento isn't even... like, it's not even a big market. It's a nothing city.
Starting point is 00:17:38 It's a dud. It's a colon of cities. It literally has no defining... Yes It literally has no defining feature. It's not like, like if you say Sacramento, I live in the state that Sacramento's in. I'm like, the Sacramento Kings play there? I believe it's our state capital. It is. Actually, a lot goes on there.
Starting point is 00:17:58 No, Sacktown. A lot goes on there. Our state really is the generator of like a lot of money in the United States. But I'm talking about culturally, what is Sacramento? A lot is decided in Sacramento, but I agree. Do you think that that's why she's dressing so badly that she's only buying clothes
Starting point is 00:18:15 from local Sacramento clothing? It's possible. Here's the thing about her job though. I mean, they keep on telling us that she's amazing and she's a hard hitting producer and like she does journalism. And yet the show that we have seen her do, her show is terrible.
Starting point is 00:18:36 It's awful. It's a joke show where the only piece we see is like a cheesy cooking segment. It's a cooking segment in which the chef gives Cheryl Heinz duck and... Why was that meant to be upsetting? Because I think she was allergic to it, but Catherine Heigl...
Starting point is 00:18:53 But they don't pay off on the joke that she's allergic. She just... I thought she was allergic to crab. I take allergies very seriously. No, I know you do. So if that was the case, then I stand with Cheryl. I think she was allergic. But again, we're supposed to understand her
Starting point is 00:19:10 as someone who's putting out fires and dealing with big personalities and this and that. And I'm like, well, the duck thing seems like you're fucked up, Catherine. Well, this is my issue. They literally spend so much time, she's amazing at her job. Scene one, scene two, the show is failing.
Starting point is 00:19:26 You're terrible at your job. Scene three, scene four, she has no idea what's happening with production. Yeah. She's like, wait, she hasn't, she must have okayed all of these segments, which she's like, what's going on? Where's he going?
Starting point is 00:19:41 What's happening? And then she doesn't know that they've hired two women to jello wrestle. And built a set? They built a restaurant set. The camera crew is moving. She's bad at the job. She'd have to sign off on a budget for that restaurant set. Hiring those actors?
Starting point is 00:19:56 Now, here's what I really didn't understand. And again, I love the movie, but I didn't totally understand when at the end of the movie when he is, CBS is dangling this very attractive offer over him. Not even a national show. Just, mind you, again, just to put the stakes here, this is like, you'll go to another small market. It's not like you're gonna get your own show.
Starting point is 00:20:18 It's like, you'll just do this in Chicago. And he's like, now that... Bigger market, bigger market than Sacktown? Sacktown to the Macktown. We're talking he's like, bigger market, bigger, bigger market than Sacktown. Sacktown to the Mac town. We're talking about like a step. It's like, step by step, baby. That's how you, that's how it happens. But here's my question.
Starting point is 00:20:35 During that, when she's about to go see him before he's going on Craig Ferguson and on a national market, she's saying to herself, like, your show would be nothing without me and what I did for this show. And I'm like, what did you do? What did you do?
Starting point is 00:20:51 You actively tried to get in the way of the show's excellence that our guy Mike has brought to the equation. I mean... The moment where she has the camera guys zoom in on him on Mike licking the jello off of one of the ladies fingers It seems like that is the moment she keeps on pointing to as like the pivotal thing that right that was her choice Is like they start to really as they're flirting becomes a thing, it starts to be evidenced in the work that they feel like they work.
Starting point is 00:21:28 And they're getting a 12 share or all this kind of jargon. By the way, a 12 share in Sacramento is insane. That's impossible. Again, this move, like, just put her in LA. Why are we making it so fucking complicated? Well, I did love the reason why he was in Sacramento. That made sense to me. I wrote that. Why is he in Sacramento?
Starting point is 00:21:48 He's in Sacramento because his sister, who doesn't have an accent, lives there. I believe that he's trying not to have an accent. What? I spent all of Act One being like, is he pretending to be American? I think he is. I didn't even notice that.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Because it's not working. And then at one point, I think, do they do a background check on him and someone says he came to this country when he was, I don't know, six or something. But I think he would... Can you work that accent out from six to 30? My dad came to America when he was 12. No accent. Huh. My dad came to America when he was 12, no accent. Well, the only thing that I loved was that he was on local access,
Starting point is 00:22:30 like, which means that anyone could do a show. He was on, like, local access and everyone's talking about it. And his set is truly amazing. Can we look at this? This is scene three. Now listen up, ladies, because I'm only going to say this once. The mannequin's in lingerie is next level with a hockey stick. Why is he barbecuing? He's burning the books. Okay, her... this is the saddest apartment I've ever seen. Her? The art in her apartment is tragic. It's called a stair master. Get on it and get skinny.
Starting point is 00:23:12 The apple painting? And get some scratchy lingerie while you're at it. Because at the end of the day, all we're interested in is looks. And no one falls in love with your personality at first sight. We fall in love with your tits and your ass. And we stick around because of what you're willing to do with them. So you want to win a man over, you don't need ten steps, you need one. And it's called a blowjob. And don't forget to...
Starting point is 00:23:37 My question, because what follows is she calls into the show. She calls into the show and they have a conversation. And it's fiery and he likes it and they go back and forth. It's their first bit of flirting in the movie before they even have met each other or anything like that. And then subsequently the next day, Art from Bosch, give it up my Boschheads in Scotland. Bosch! We got a my Bosch heads in Scotland. Bosch! We got a couple, we got a couple.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Art from Bosch, who's the boss, is there and he's like, I hired this guy, blah, blah, blah. Last night. He hired him in the middle of the night. Now, yeah. And he starts work the same day. Clearly after seeing this episode where his employee, Catherine Heigl calls in, nobody recognizes that it's her calling in, which is absurd. Everybody must be like, hey, isn't that you?
Starting point is 00:24:32 By the way, it's also 2009, and he's just doing a straight up radio show on television. He's doing like a Howard Stern show type show. I mean, he's like, he's not looking at the camera, like this is the worst show of all time. Like, just put him on the radio. Put him on the radio. What should have happened subsequently
Starting point is 00:24:49 for the math of a romantic comedy, the reveal that they had had that call should happen like right going into Act 3. It should have been like, that was me. That was me. And he'd be like, wait, what? Oh my. That they had this connection. She tells him immediately, we had a conversation last night.
Starting point is 00:25:09 She also, she's giving away all of her power in that moment. This movie wants to be dirty and raunchy. And it's not the more it gets. I'm like, wait, what? Please stop. The worst ending scene, I'm like, ooh, wait, what? Stop, please stop. The worst ending scene of all time. They have sex and he's like, did you really cum?
Starting point is 00:25:29 And she's like, you'll never know. Oh! Awful! True love? That's reprehensible. I'm sorry, the only person that we know for sure makes her cum is a child. Oh!
Starting point is 00:25:44 I want you to sit with that, Scotland. The only person to successfully make her character come in this movie is a child, and we are in. We are back in. I want that on the pod. And I will say that that should be a T-shirt, a little kid with that vibrating stick in his hand. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:26:05 And he goes, I got what you need. I could not believe that they gave that scene to a child. I was like, why isn't he using it? Wait, he... What? By the way, if he had the controller, it would have been so hot. So hot that he's surprising her, and she didn't know that's what they were or something.
Starting point is 00:26:26 What is my moment? This is my issue with that scene. And I... I hope it's that there was a kid manning the remote. Because... That's the only issue there is. If you're cool with that but have a different issue, I'm open to it, but I'm not... I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:40 I think you should be on board for my thing. Nope. I got a different issue. Kid be damned. The kid doesn't know he thinks he's a Tamagotchi. So... Now, here's what I'll say. But we know. We know. That kid can read, and that's got some pretty suggestive material on the label. All right. All I... My issue with that scene was,
Starting point is 00:27:02 it felt to me like they were trying to do an homage to like when Harry met Sally, like when she does the fake orgasm scene. From my memory of that, I've seen that movie within the last two years. That is a sexy scene. There's something about it that's like, you're like, oh, what I see in that moment is uncomfortable. It's not sexy. It's sweaty. it's weird, and she seems powerless, but then all the guys kind of came in their pants and like, whatever you want, we'll give it to you. It's like, why? She looks completely unhinged.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Well, it's... it is forced, and it's... You know, you look at Meg Ryan's performance, and it's so realized and it's so perfect, and what we are forced to witness here is so uncomfortable. I think the difference that you're talking about though with Meg Ryan, and this is like, Meg Ryan is in control of that moment, like if we're talking about it
Starting point is 00:27:57 from that point of view, like she's in control. Not only is she in control, but it is at Billy Crystal's expense. Right, and in this, she's not in control and she's fighting it so hard. Walk away from the table. Walk away. Go to the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:28:12 And she's like, she rides the wave the whole time. And she's pitching something that's so unsexy, like sweep sweep commercials. I don't even know. It's like, what am I? What am I excited about here? Just like a person going, blah, sweep sweep commercials? I don't even know, it's like, what am I, what am I excited about here? Just like a person going, blah, blah, so, the commercials that we'll have are gonna be like...
Starting point is 00:28:34 This is in a family restaurant with corporate and her date? Like, there's so many things, it's a hat on a hat on a hat. It's just so hard, because all I kept on thinking was like, just take your undies off. Okay, go on. Just...
Starting point is 00:28:52 If you're trying to struggle through... See, and that's what was very distressing about this scene, which was like, yeah, someone else is doing it to her, but none of it feels real. And also, she's fighting it so much that it's like, we'll just take them off. Go to the bathroom. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Take them off. It's not like she doesn't know what it's coming from. I'm gonna say this. Like, see your underwear, take it off. I think, I also think that, and maybe I'm just wildly wrong and I've never experienced this kind of an orgasm, but I think in this scenario,
Starting point is 00:29:25 I may have been able to be like, mind over matter, I'm gonna be cool about it. You know, I'm not gonna give over to losing complete control. It's like when you get a boner in sweatpants, you know, in like high school and you're like, I can't wear sweatpants anymore. But again, like, can I go on the other side of this and say, but what am I, the audience member, supposed to feel?
Starting point is 00:29:50 And what am I supposed to feel if I'm an actor at that table? It's like, is she turning me on? No. What am I seeing her do? Come. OK? Well, I think you're right. That's me as the audience is going, OK,
Starting point is 00:30:03 I'm watching her come against her will. Sexy. At the table, I'm like, she seems insane. Where does this scene work for anyone besides making her come when she hasn't come for 11 months? After this movie, after this dinner, rather, she should be fired and dumped. Or just make her talk about something sexy.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Like do something that is together. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's very strange. Go to the bathroom. It would have been less weird for her to be like, I'm so sorry, I'm going to have diarrhea. And just fully cheese in the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:30:45 That's a Scottish phrase. So I know that Catherine Heigl is a producer on this film, and I feel like she added a lot of stuff, which I do think... And so is her mom. Which makes this movie a little complicated because they're not really... I think every time they give her a flaw, they're also kind of correcting it. But there was one thing that I feel like I watched
Starting point is 00:31:10 and I was like, oh, this is a Catherine Heigl thing and it's flossing. There's a lot of flossing. And that's not fun for me as an audience member or me as a person. I have to do it, don't wanna see it. I don't ever wanna to see someone floss. And she covets it when she sees,
Starting point is 00:31:27 when she's absolutely creeping on Colin from the tree, when she's peeping on him, and she's like, he's flossing, uh, drenched. Hey. Like, what? She climbs up a tree to get a cat who was up there for about five seconds. D'Artagnan?
Starting point is 00:31:49 No. That to me suggests, it suggests there are two dead cats. Oh wow. You don't name one cat after a single musketeer. Do you think that they... Those are three cats. D'Artagnan was my favorite. Do you think that they passed under suspicious circumstances?
Starting point is 00:32:12 Oh, I think they swallowed too much floss. Um, I do... Those cats are dead. I do want to just... One of my favorite scenes in the film was when Gerard Butler's young nephew interrupts the morning show. He goes, oh I just came from school. So wait, so you had this moment in school where you tried to ask out a girl, it didn't go well, you're like, peace. Drove over to the local news affiliate. I gotta wait till he's off the air.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Like this is like 9.30, 10 a.m. in the morning. Like this is a morning. This kid left school to come here to be like, should I say yes to this girl who asked me to the Sadie Hawkins dance? You can't just wait till three. Are you kidding? You've got girls asking you out?
Starting point is 00:33:00 That's what a Sadie Hawkins dance is, my guy. The girls ask the boys. Ay, ay, ay. Ay, ay, ay. Can we just talk about the hair? Yes. And hair in general as a narrative, you know, motif for women in romantic comedies.
Starting point is 00:33:22 As soon as I saw her and her hair was slicked back in a bun, I was like, well, the hair is about to tell a story. You know that hair is coming down. Yeah. But then it comes down and it then has an extension. Yeah, needs to be. Well, that's what was so fascinating, which is like, I thought, oh, the hair is just gonna come
Starting point is 00:33:40 down out of its bun at a certain point and when she becomes more relaxed. But it not only came down, but it doubled in size. Yeah. It was so wild and the idea. Well, he's like, you need longer hair because men want something to grab on. And then they do the- I did find that offensive.
Starting point is 00:34:01 I was like, she looks great with shorter hair. I love shorter hair. Oh, looks great. But I think his point is like, you're all business. And that's not what guy... His caveman mentality is, you know, guys want something to grab, guys want something to move. But isn't a ponytail something easy to grab? I think it's too business.
Starting point is 00:34:19 It's too business. Yeah, the ponytail thing, I was like... It seems... Ponytails seem fun to me. Also, if you pulled those extensions during sex, guess what? It's gonna come out! Also, June...
Starting point is 00:34:30 I think we've all been there. Uh-oh. I know it's... I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I know it's movie magic, but, June, would you ever take out a whole back half of extensions like that? Yes. Your uber pool is here. Her hair, yes.
Starting point is 00:34:52 A lot of extensions are just clipped in as sort of a one piece. OK, so that just came out real quick. OK. Yeah, but I was absolutely psychotic that she did it in front of Colin. Like, this is who I am. Yes. Yes. As if he would be like, ew!
Starting point is 00:35:09 Disgusting! It's such a small transformation. It's not like she rips off a mask and is like, I'm your sister. Here's a bigger question for Colin. When he met her, she had a shoulder length bob. One day later, she has hair to the middle of her back. The guy is a doctor.
Starting point is 00:35:34 He should be like, hang on, what's up with your hair? Oh my God. It's also like, what I couldn't figure out is, I think there's a real, and I think it's part of why I'm shocked it's 2009. It feels like it's the early 2000s. There's a real, I wouldn't be surprised if this was in fact a script like you said June, written many years earlier because if it's 2009, why does he have a physical answering machine that is like, hey, it's Christy, I'd love to beep. Hey, it's Nikki, if I don't get your big throbbing, beep. Hey, it's Karen, I'm sopping, beep.
Starting point is 00:36:15 And it's like a cassette answering machine, but people have cell phones. Like- Because there was a while where people were writing feature movies where the basic structure of the movies were already there. This doesn't make sense, but in many movies,
Starting point is 00:36:28 it was like, oh, I didn't get your call or I missed it or I wasn't home yet. And with the advent of cell phones, that device went out the window. So I do feel like there were a number of movies that were just like, were not dealing with cell phones yet. Well, I mean, again, this movie does so many lazy writing things,
Starting point is 00:36:45 like, but I have a date tonight. Bring him. Like, like, if we say it fast enough, you won't clock, but this makes no fucking sense. Also, why are they picking her up at her house? And why are they both at the door? And also, why are the Jello wrestling girls there? It's not just that Colin's there. Colin, imagine if the movie was just about Colin. What a weird ride he's on.
Starting point is 00:37:14 He's a doctor. If I found out my doctor was up to this, I'd be like, I'm gonna see somebody else. Hey, look, you- Because you're wasting your life. Colin thought he could hack it in the big time of Sacramento. That's what happens. You get brought out on dates, you meet jello girls. And I mean, Colin literally, I mean, I know,
Starting point is 00:37:33 I want to talk about... Colin sucks. I hate Colin. Colin sucks. The montage of them dating is embarrassing. The flowers he sends her are terrible. He's just so unappealing. It's like what... It doesn't work. We need more of a James Marsden,
Starting point is 00:37:50 because it's just like, oh, he's so vanilla. There's no reason to be interested in this man. Well, it really is. It's forcing her to be like, do you want to embrace who you think you wanted and what you thought your life was going to be, or are you going to say, fuck it, I like cock and go with this guy?
Starting point is 00:38:07 I guess so, but at a certain point, at a certain point, and I'd love to see these DVD extras, but they do, her and Colin have to talk to each other. I mean, they were spending time together on the dinners and games. They must have shot those scenes. They shot those scenes and then they were like, fuck it, montage. What are they talking about?
Starting point is 00:38:23 Montage, we'll get somebody to cover a ska version of some old song. It'll be cool. I mean, that's why I... That's why I'm saying she has not changed. I mean, she learns her lesson because she hires a rapist instead. Wow! That was... And how do we find out that he's a rapist?
Starting point is 00:38:42 His first time on air, he admits to dozens of rapes. If not over a hundred rapes. By the way, kudos to that casting director, because that guy was perfect. I bought him as a guy who could pull off a lot of rapes. You're like, oh, he's nice. You're like, come into my house. Let me drill into the back of your head.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Like, he felt scary to me. He was Creep City. Yeah. What was his audition like? Also, the... I could not get over him when we saw a little bit of it, but that our big third act set piece was taking place at a balloon festival. Oh.
Starting point is 00:39:20 Where I was also like, I thought those big balloon festivals happened in Albuquerque. Well, they talked about it... It actually happened in Albuquerque. Well, they talked about it. It actually happened in Temecula. Yeah. They talked about it earlier in the movie, too. They seeded it early.
Starting point is 00:39:32 But the scene that we saw, and I won't force us all to watch it again because it's truly awful, but it would have been so easy for when Gerard Butler comes and jumps into her basket, she's doing an impromptu, after she kicks the rapist out of the balloon basket, she starts talking about Jerry Butler. He runs over, he jumps in with her. It would have been so easy for the balloon to just lift off. They instead put a guy in, an operator in the balloon, who then has to be there for all of the scene we just saw.
Starting point is 00:40:04 And I was, Beth, will you play it again? Just for a brief moment. We don't have to listen to it. That's scene eight. But I would love it if we would just watch the man in the yellow shirt sadly drink champagne and be, try to be invisible in a major motion picture. I just told you that I loved you and all you heard was psycho. You're the definition of neurotic It's not a cameraman because they made sure to fix a camera to the balloon
Starting point is 00:40:38 We don't need a cameraman. Here's the other issue with that scene There's one moment where they go, they're on TV, they're alive. Yeah, you're in the control room. At any point you go, and they're not live anymore. Like... Stop it. Done. That's what, that's the people yelling,
Starting point is 00:40:57 they're alive, have every opportunity to stop it from being alive. And the crazy part was I was like, oh, I guess maybe for a second, because I thought the same thing as you, Jason. Like, why didn't they just have it going up and us like be able to see this moment where they're dealing with falling in love with each other and hating each other,
Starting point is 00:41:17 but then they're also dealing with surviving on a balloon that they've never piloted. Great scene. And I was like, oh, but they need a, they need someone there because they're actually in a hot air balloon. They're actually flying. No. Who cares?
Starting point is 00:41:31 But they're on a green screen, so obviously. Wait, that's a green screen? It's so realistic. So in that case, though, like, why not just put them up there on their own? They told Gerard Butler it was going to look like 300. He's like, oh, good. I get it. Green screen. And then he's like, oh, shit, this looks terrible.
Starting point is 00:41:46 This looks like my kid's iMovie. The one moment in the movie where they were like, well, it wouldn't make sense for them to go up without a driver. Who cares? None of the shit you've shown us makes sense. We just watched a kid make her cum. You think we're gonna disagree?
Starting point is 00:42:04 I'm out on this movie. There's not an operator in the balloon basket. This movie, I wrote that, like, this movie, like, the arc of this movie, if you really want to trace it, is it starts with Natasha Bedingfield, and it ends with Flo Rida. And that really is, like, that does, that's all I need to know. Happily ever after, question mark.
Starting point is 00:42:31 And how do we begin? Once upon a time. I mean, that this movie is, I don't know what it's positing at all, because at the end of the day, what is my takeaway? I know you keep on asking these questions. Yeah, we don't have the answers. Because it feels to me like he's not that into you type of a movie where I think women are supposed to leave going like, oh, I get it now.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And men are supposed to be like, I got it. But then I feel like there are scenes and moments that almost feel like they think they're doing, like, something about Mary. Like the blowjob at the baseball game scene, which is a crime that is happening in the stands, where it appears as though she's, like, giving him an unaggressive blowjob. She's just cleaning his pants,
Starting point is 00:43:21 but it looks as though she's giving him a blowjob. They're on the kiss cam. But they're for a minor... Like again, a minor league baseball. Like, can we lower the stakes anymore? Let's put it in a kids game. Like, I mean... Why not?
Starting point is 00:43:34 That's... Then she'll come. Pfft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was, he is very watchable. Oh, he's more than watchable. He's absolutely making the movie make sense in a way that in any other hands, you would be like... And I will say that there are some ugly truths that he shares. Like the scene where he stops her from calling Colin after they've met once.
Starting point is 00:44:09 I was like, yes, please stop her. All the stuff when he's serino-ing her, I thought was terrific. When she's got the ear wig in and they're at the baseball game and he's telling her what to say, I thought all that stuff was really funny and he's being very charming.
Starting point is 00:44:22 And I will say, and I haven't been single in a while, but a very, and I'll share this hot tip for any of my single ladies, which is if there's a guy that you're waiting, you're waiting for him to text you back and you're in that moment, that time period, which is very difficult, you text him, but call him the wrong name.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Or say something like, actually, this is what you do. This is like a curb your enthusiasm episode. No like, actually this is what you do. Just like a curb your enthusiasm episode. No, no, this is what you do. You text him and say, I'll see you around 7.30. Right. Is this a known?
Starting point is 00:44:57 Right, yeah, no, I mean, yes. And then he will write back, because he has to. Was that for me? Yeah, 7.30, is that for me? And you say, very little information. So sorry. I thought this was someone else. Hope you're doing okay.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Sorry. That was for Derek Jeter. And it just gets them thinking, you know? They're like, what is she doing? So there were some ugly truths there that I was... No. Dude, it has been too long since you've been single. No, that shit works.
Starting point is 00:45:23 My friend has a phrase and I think this is so, so helpful. And again, I haven't been single for a long time, but I'm keeping this in my back pocket. Wow. Should I ever need it? The last time June was single, people were T9 texting, which meant that you had to type each letter. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,
Starting point is 00:45:44 tick, tick. But she always said tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. But she always said, which is what one of the ugly truths he shares, be a lighthouse, be a lighthouse. What does that mean? It basically means... It's a great phrase. When you are waiting for a guy to text you back or call you, you picture yourself as a lighthouse
Starting point is 00:46:08 and you're just shining your light. You're shining your light. You're shining your light. That has worked for literally- I'm gonna need to know who this friend is because this person is giving you terrible information. Here's another- This is a bunch of married women giving out single advice.
Starting point is 00:46:27 No, no, no. And then she said, you need to be a lighthouse. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Lighthouse, be a lighthouse. I totally understand what that means. Like on the coast, be a lighthouse. Like you don't do anything else, but shine your light.
Starting point is 00:46:39 And then the other thing is once it's about 8.30, nine o'clock at night, and you're still waiting for your text, and you're still waiting for that, whatever, that connection, that's when things are the most dangerous. That's when you pull out a bottle of NyQuil. Wait, what? I knew this was coming. What? And you record a chopped and screwed album?
Starting point is 00:47:04 What's going on here? You literally put yourself out. You put yourself out. Oh, I see, I see. You have to shut it off so you don't do any damage. Thankfully, now there are apps that do that for you. You know what? People don't use those apps. People are still out here saying nuts stuff.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Yeah, late night. All right. Who has a question about this film that... Okay, here we go. You do? Okay, great. Hi, what's your All right, who has a question about this film that, okay, here we go. You do? Okay, great. Hi, what's your name? Kathleen. And your question? Um, we think June will be particularly offended by this one, but, um, what did we all think about the fact that the present that Jerry Butler gave was already opened? Oh my god! Oh my god! I cannot believe we didn't talk about this. Yes! Yes! Clearly used!
Starting point is 00:47:49 Clearly used, I wrote it down too, open and used. I cannot believe we didn't talk about this. What? She absolutely should get tested. Oh my God. Not only was it, okay, so, I had so many issues with that box because it also- In more ways than one.
Starting point is 00:48:06 It also looked so old. More ways than one. And it was open, you know, it was... More ways than one. Rule of threes, I'm done. If he gave it a good washing, it's probably fine. Right? That was wild.
Starting point is 00:48:28 That it was an open box of vibrating underwear. That was chilling. That she put on. And by the way, if she had put that on with that dress, it would have been all bunched up in. You would have seen it all bunched. She didn't have a visible panty line at all. That thing has lots of wiring and metal. Yeah, that's a tech.
Starting point is 00:48:53 That was so disgusting. Imagine the technology, the vibrating technology, at a time when characters are also using cassette answering machines. This is not current. She might have been electrocuted. That's it. That's a torture device, an S&M device.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Maybe it's in Fifty Shades of Grey. Alright, so your name? Hi, my name is Gillian. At the beginning of the movie, when she's at the news station-ish, and she's making small talk with her colleagues, why does she say that her colleague has balls the size of Volkswagen's? Well, there is so much inappropriate stuff said in the workplace in this movie. So much inappropriate stuff said in the workplace.
Starting point is 00:49:34 When she enters the job, doesn't someone walking by say, you look hot today or you look beautiful today? Or somebody says something that it's so crazy. Yes, and then her response is like, oh, it's one of those days, isn't it? One of those days where I immediately complimented upon entering the workplace. She also says something that I thought was,
Starting point is 00:49:55 again, this idea that this movie doesn't know exactly what it's trying to do, when I think this is the writer, not Catherine Heigl's character saying this, but Catherine Heigl says to Gerard Butler, she's like, oh, and your whole audience just jerks off to you. And I was like, no, I don't think that that's what's happening there. I don't think that his male audience is jerking off to him talking.
Starting point is 00:50:23 But it felt like she said it so intently that it was like, yeah! And it's like, yeah, and I was like, oh. You kept on asking Paul, like, what's her journey? What is her narrative throughout the movie and what does she learn? I think the movie is trying to tell us that she is having a sexual awakening.
Starting point is 00:50:40 I think you're right. She's in masturbation, she's not in touch with her body. I think that's what we're supposed to believe. And... So a drop dead Fred scenario. That she's kind of leaving behind her childlike ideas about the prince charming perfect man and is willing to enter the real world and pursue what she wants as a grown woman. Maybe?
Starting point is 00:50:58 That's the ugly truth. All right, I have a question over here. Hi, I'm Gaddy. Near the beginning of the film, her cat, Doctanian, I have a question over here. Hi, I'm Gary. Near the beginning of the film, her cat, D-D-Dogtanian, presses the remote to change the channel on the television. That seems like foreshadowing
Starting point is 00:51:14 that when she has the vibrating pants, that the cat is gonna make an orgasm, and does that make a better movie? Yes. If they... Yes. The cat was doing it. Yes. Yeah. If they kept cutting back to her apartment and the cat being like boom onto the thing and she's like, oh! And nobody knows why it's happening but us, the audience? Oh boy, that would be funny because that's pussy and pussy.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Alright, I got a question back here. Alright, go for it. No, I hold the mic. I hold the mic. Paul, be careful. You can go either way. You shouldn't have to tell someone more than once. No, no, no. I'll hold the mic.
Starting point is 00:51:56 No, no, no. I'll hold the mic. Alright, here we go. What do we got? I just wondered, in the kind of date scene that Katherine Heigl had, she talks about the height of the guy that she's on a date with. Katherine Heigl is 5'8.5", but the person that she's on a date with is allegedly 5'9",
Starting point is 00:52:18 but as we've discussed, it's all... 5'5". Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, are we to believe in this movie that Catherine Heigl is actually like six foot two? I would love it if she was like, I was in the WNBA. I would love it if she dunked at one point. Yeah, that would be amazing. This is why I leave this party and I've always had such a soft spot for Katherine Heigl
Starting point is 00:52:46 because she is a tall woman. And tall women are often not represented on film and TV. I know that's not something that everybody knows, but I'm 5'9", and I'm very, very tall in the film and TV industry. So when I see another tall woman, I have to... Well, I'll say... ...sit my head to her.
Starting point is 00:53:06 The men in our industry also, usually quite short. Very tiny, which is why it's hard to talk. I said short, you said very tiny. Tiny. Which, which I- There's slips of things, they're barely there. You said very tiny while looking right at me. Very tiny, very.
Starting point is 00:53:22 I said I'd chill right to my bones. And it has been very hard to work as a tall woman because a lot of the men, and I won't name any names right now... Please don't say me, please don't say me, please don't say me. They don't want to have, like, love scenes and have you play their love interest if you're much, if you're taller than them. So I do appreciate that about Katherine Heigl,
Starting point is 00:53:44 that she's 5'8". I'm in the balcony. Give it up for the balcony! Let me hear you balcony monsters. Ooh, be careful. Oh, these glass-weegee-in balcony monsters. All right, I'm in the balcony. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Yes, I'm gonna lean into you. If you lean towards me, here we go. Hi, I'm in the balcony. Here we go. Yes, I'm going to lean into you if you lean towards me. Here we go. Hi, I'm Simon. Hi Simon. What's your question? So, if this movie were made nowadays, they would reverse the roles. They'd have the guy as the uptight control freak kind of inexperience, and they'd have the girl as the foul-mouthed, kind of sex-obsessed, crude person. So my question, kind of in two parts, who would you cast in the newer version in those roles,
Starting point is 00:54:29 and how would you have the restaurant scene go in that version? Wow. Now, I will say, I didn't want to embarrass him, but I will say I know that he is the inventor of an electric butt plug, a remote control butt plug, so I think he is trying to get us to talk about his brand new product. Well, by the way, there were movies that were made after this that were supposed to be the reverse. There was a backlash against this type A woman. And those are the movies that came out in like 2012, 2010, No Strings Attached.
Starting point is 00:55:05 There was another one that were very much so, Friends with Benefits that were like, women don't want to be tied down. They just wanna fuck. Guess what? Women fuck too. There was a whole series of them. And so they did, but they also didn't work. I mean, here's the thing, right?
Starting point is 00:55:23 Like I, and there's so many references in rom-coms to like the elusive female orgasm. And it is a trope that thankfully I think is being put to bed. The elusive. That women fake it. Yes. Because it's so tired and it's so sort of,
Starting point is 00:55:41 it reinforces the idea that women's like real sexual responses are too much of a mystery for us to even believe that they happen. When I was a kid, there was still the narrative inside of TV and film that is, does the clitoris exist? And if so, prove it. And that's truly wild to consider, as this is a piece of biological certainty.
Starting point is 00:56:10 And no one talks about the real problem, which is, are men faking it? Yeah. Paul, you said something earlier, which is that that man has a butt plug thing. Do you think the underwear in the movie was a butt plug? Oh, no, he was like, how would that scene play out with the roles reversed?
Starting point is 00:56:28 Like if you needed to shock him. I mean, I guess you could put like some sort of robot vagina on him, but I think a butt plug scene would be funnier. Yeah, some sort of pocket pussy situation. Yeah. Your name, sir? Your question.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Hi there, my name is Chris. My question is this this I'm not I like that rhyme I mean come on tell me that I know to you that sounds normal but boy that sounds great say it again my name is Chris my question is this just lovely I'm not an actor and I'm fully aware that I'm asking this to someone who has actually appeared on screen with Jane Fonda. Fantastic. So, my question is this.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Do you think it was Catherine Heigl or the director that decided for every scene she has to either be Sheldon Cooper or Zooey Dashanel because she just jumps from one extreme to another. She's either completely type A or she is just horny as fuck. LAUGHTER Good question. I mean, look, Chris, when he asks this question, he knows what he's going to ask. Yeah, I mean, she does.
Starting point is 00:57:36 That's the problem that I have with this movie is she's always correcting. It's like, well, I don't want to be that uptight. So then she undercuts it and then she's battling with herself. And that's what I think is confusing about this movie, because even the makeover, I'm like, honestly, I don't see that much of a difference. Well, when she has the moment with Colin,
Starting point is 00:57:56 when she has the moment finally, where she's like, what is it that you like about me? And she's like, all of those things, that's not who I am. Like, I'm actually the woman that you're describing as someone you're not interested in, right? And that she's like, I've been lying to you the whole time. I've been pretending to be this other person. But really, I feel like what the movie has been showing us
Starting point is 00:58:15 is that she is finding a complexity of who she is leaving behind, perhaps this idea of who she is, and engaging in behavior that is out of her comfort zone but is being rewarded for it. And my question is, does she not like the person that she's becoming? Is she unhappy with the choices that she's made? I also would argue that that moment with Colin, where she goes, I'm this person, we're supposed to be like, is that triumphant? You've lied to this man for six months, and you're like, ha-ha, fuck you, you shallow prick.
Starting point is 00:58:48 It's like, wait, he's not, he didn't do anything wrong. Agree, agree. Well, then she says that he's great, and he's, listen, I'm not worried about Colin. I can't... By the way... I can't take him on. He's fine or he's not.
Starting point is 00:59:02 A deleted scene, the movie was supposed to end with them getting married. Her and Colin? No, no, no, no. Gerard Butler and Katherine Heigl get married, and at the wedding, you pull out to reveal that Colin is now dating... Joy?
Starting point is 00:59:20 Yes. Oh, her assistant? Joy. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! We just got a shocking reveal here. Hold on. What. Her assistant? Joy. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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Starting point is 00:59:45 Because she never has a scene with anyone except Katherine Heigl where they have any meaningful conversation. Wow. That's really good. And she's far too excited about what happens in the hot air balloon. That would make this movie so much more interesting if there were in fact, if essentially Katherine Heigl's character was having a mental collapse. I don't know how we can get to top of that, but I think we can try here. What's your name?
Starting point is 01:00:13 Oh, don't put that much pressure on me. My name is Alicia, and I would like to say first as someone who was born in Sacramento, you are 100% correct. Thank you, Alicia. Sack town in the house. Why are you here? I'm from Sacramento. My question is, is there anything in this film besides Mike's character being a terrible role model to a small child
Starting point is 01:00:46 like three times that makes him less of a douchebag? Good question. Like why are we supposed to like him? Oh God, that's a really tough question. Wait, wait, wait, this gentleman has it. That's a really tough one. This is why. His love of top water.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! That is... The movie turns... Katherine Heigl legitimately falls in love when he says, tap water, it's all the same, isn't it? She's like, oh my god, it's him. It's been him the whole time because we agree on tap water.
Starting point is 01:01:30 And to answer your question about why, why we want her to end up with him. Oh, I want to be clear. I'm not rooting for them at all. That's true. I'm not rooting for them. I'm not shipping them. I'm not on board because I don. That's true. I'm not rooting for them. I'm not shipping them. I'm not on board because I don't want him to be saddled with her.
Starting point is 01:01:52 Is that mean? No, no, I feel the same. I'm saying leave that in? Question mark. I feel the same. I want more for him. Yes. Give it. Let him date Joy. She seems like a fucking blast! Alright yeah, okay, what's your question? Who has a better one? What do you think?
Starting point is 01:02:09 Alright, you got it, right here. Hi, my name's Chrissy. My friend Malcolm here actually bought the DVD for us to watch, which meant we got to watch the special features. And in the special features there's a making of short where Catherine Heigl talks about the underwear scene as her discovery of physical comedy. They had to shoot it 37 times. 37 times they shot that scene in the restaurant with that small boy. What? And she said her body hurt all over. Why? 37 times. What do you mean? Nothing makes me angrier. I will just say this and actually leave this part in.
Starting point is 01:02:51 Leave this part in. Like, please, leave the comedy to comedians. Please. Like, not everybody can do it and that's okay. It's fine. And also, please, leave the coming to people who know how to do it. Please. Like that little boy.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Like that. This movie has more, I mean, I, can you get house lights again? I'm so sorry, is that easy? I'd like a show of hands. How many people in this room have genuinely, prior to having a stressful, anxiety producing, nerve wracking conversation,
Starting point is 01:03:33 practice what they're gonna say out loud when other people are around? Because both of them do it. He does it in the hotel, she does it in the cab, she's like, oh hello, penis face. And the guy's like, excuse me? And she's like, oh, hello, penis face. Bum-bum-bum-bum. And the guy's like, excuse me? And she's like, oh, nothing, I'm just practicing.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Like, there's so much, like, practicing of what people are gonna say that I was like, nobody does this, does anybody do that? You do it? I'm on the spectrum. Oh, you're on the spectrum, okay. Okay. Well...
Starting point is 01:04:05 No, no. That's a great answer. Great answer. Great answer. Fair enough. Amazing. Can't beat that. And here's what we'll say. Obviously we have an opinion about this movie, but now it's time for second opinion.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Hi, my name's Andy. When you watch this, well I know you're gonna call, you're gonna call this film a red flag piece of crap. But if you listen, there are lessons for us all, like water's just as good when taken from the tap. Well I would give this film five stars and I would give it five stars more. Heiko fixes years of sexist shit by calling Jerry be a whore. It's the cat's fault, it's the cat's fault. Sacrament would go hard, but the nobles were getting laid. was her being flicked by a child. You'll never know, but thank God that this
Starting point is 01:05:10 film got made. Yes! Incredible! Great work. There are 5,344 total reviews of The Ugly Truth. 81% are five stars. Two, 2% are one stars. Two. I've never seen it that low. These reviews buckle up, people, because they are wild. C Jack reviewed this on my birthday in 2019 and writes,
Starting point is 01:05:50 Gerard Butler does comedy brilliantly, lighthearted, and cathartic, even my second time seeing it. That's the title. I am cutting into the second paragraph of his review by saying this. I've seen this movie when it was released and paid to stream it tonight. I recalled it being a light comedy that tells it in many ways what men think about relationships and many of their thoughts and conclusions are due to their pain and suffering in relationships that didn't work. There are several other comedies that play this theme in a comical fashion.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Hitch, What Women Really Want, and Someone Like You, to name a few. Sometimes movies are meant to be light and an escape and not trying to win an Oscar or go beyond being entertaining. I've paid to see this twice and I pay to see it again. This was a great cozy night at home when it's outside currently minus six degrees with a minus 24 windchill.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Brrr. It maderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr weird. This one, our final one from Carlos Avila, our queen in 2010 writes, I hate romantic comedy. I always thought this kind of movie was made for fools, so I avoided this gender of movies. Nevertheless... That's a kind of amazing typo. Because it works somehow. It does. Nevertheless, when I saw the previews of this movie, I thought, cool, Gerard Butler saying things that girls do not like.
Starting point is 01:07:59 I must see this movie. Even if this movie is not a masterpiece in movie history, I really enjoy it. I had a good time here in Latin America, where new generations reject so strongly the macho culture. It was so funny to me to see a couple of young ladies leave the movie theater because they started to feel sick about the funny things Gerard Butler's character says at the beginning of the movie.
Starting point is 01:08:25 If you want to laugh a little, you must watch this movie. I bet you'll really enjoy it. The only romantic comedy I enjoy, Five Stars. -♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh- Now, occasionally, we do first opinions. And first opinions, there's only 2%. I wanted to look there. And this one was written in 2015. Very disappointed. Since seeing Phantom of the Opera,
Starting point is 01:08:56 I was enthralled with Gerard Butler. Oh. But I wish I hadn't watched this movie because now I think less of him as an actor and a person. Because he accepted this role, plain and simple. It was foul. The entire movie is riddled with sexual overtones, undertones, direct references to parts of the female
Starting point is 01:09:23 and male anatomies in a disgusting, in distasteful manner. A scene involving, now the next word they spell out, they put a space between every letter, masturbation. I will never understand why Hollywood is so fascinated with, again, space between all the letters, sex, and find every opportunity to include this subject matter in their storylines, when frankly, it's about as interesting as watching a scene
Starting point is 01:09:56 with someone defecating in the toilet with all their grunts and groans. What? What? Is this person single? Asking for a friend. If you like something just a little better than soft porn, watch this movie. But if any of you feel like me and take the risk, take a shower after. One star.
Starting point is 01:10:28 Wow! What's crazy is that I'm just now finding out Gerard Butler was in Phantom of the Opera? Me too. Me too, I had no idea. Does he sing? With Emmy Ross? Yes.
Starting point is 01:10:40 Does he play the Phantom? Is he? Oh my God. Is he like, wow. Here's one thing I wanna tell you. To prepare for this role, Gerard Butler sat in on the Adam Carolla show for days to prepare for this character.
Starting point is 01:10:56 So this is Gerard Butler doing Adam Carolla. Adam Carolla who is essentially doing 1990s Howard Stern. Ha ha ha. And, um, and, well, one thing I'll say here, while this film came in third in the United States the day it came out, in Great Britain, Ireland, and Scotland, the film topped the box office.
Starting point is 01:11:20 Whoo! That's you. This, this is your fault. Ha ha ha. It even beat out G.I. Joe, Rise of the Cobra by making 1.9 million pounds. Alright, so we, would you recommend this movie? Absolutely. Yeah, and I just want to say this, like,
Starting point is 01:11:41 oh God, it's so hard because it's like, it doesn't, here's what doesn't make a lick of sense. It's like, she's not, she's not a career gal, you know? You can't be a woman who's like just focused as the, again, they would have us believe from romantic comedies that women were just focused on their careers and nothing else. But it's like, but she's working in Sacramento
Starting point is 01:12:05 and has no plans to leave. Doesn't want to leave. Doesn't want to. When he says, how come some New York station hasn't snapped you up? She's like, I wouldn't want that. Why would I go? She is not a dreamer.
Starting point is 01:12:19 She doesn't have aspirations. Here's what I'll say, to answer your question. I absolutely say watch this movie for the podcast, but this is a failure of a movie on every level. Except one, except one. Except one, yeah. And that's Jerry Butler. So I will say, like I do, I did, listen,
Starting point is 01:12:39 in the Canada movies we watch, I was so thrilled to watch this. We're watching other movies that are coming up, and I just, by seeing them in my downloads section on my iTunes, I'm so upset and scared. How glad are you you didn't get Merlin the Return? That's what I'm saying. So I was thrilled.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Or a movie where Rupert Grimpert... Rupert Grimpert. Rupert Grimpert? Rupert Grimpert, change his name. Make him change his name to Rupert Grimpert. Rupert Grimpert? Rupert Grimpert? Rupert Grimpert, change his name. Make him change his name to Rupert Grimpert. Were Rupert Grimpert farts? So, yes, I loved it. I loved it. I enjoyed it.
Starting point is 01:13:17 And I did enjoy him. And I will say, the reason I believe, the reason we enjoyed it was exclusively because of him. Because as is the case for so many other Gerard Butler movies, Den of Thieves, Plane, Kandahar, Geostorm. These are, he is Geostorm! He's putting these movies on his broad meaty shoulders, and he's taking us along for the ride.
Starting point is 01:13:47 And I'm interested, and when he's walking away and he's looking at her, and you realize he's starting to fall in love with her, I am, despite all, I'm invested and I care. More Gerard Butler rom-coms is what I say, and I will also say this. This character went on to become his character in Den of Thieves.
Starting point is 01:14:08 I would love that if that was the case. I once fell in love with a fucking news producer. Now I fucking bring- Now I rob banks. He breaks, no, he brings down people around. No, you're right, he's in the chef's department. All right, we've never done this before, and I think I have a new little moment of the show here. We know that you all have watched it. Would you recommend to the audience at home
Starting point is 01:14:30 that they should watch it? Wait, it's your turn. Alright, should they watch it? Yes. Should they watch it? No. Alright, there we go. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, it sounds like you guys didn't like the movie. It also sounds like everybody responded to both. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:50 I think the audience just is excited to have a voice. So they can listen later and be like, that's me. That's me yelling. Scotland, thank you so much for coming out on Easter Sunday. Like, we had to add more seats after we initially sold out. We can't, we are thrilled to be here. Thank you so much. Christ has risen!
Starting point is 01:15:13 He is risen. Give it up for June Diane Ranfield, Jason Manzoukas, and Anna Kalsher. Thank you, thank you, thank you. What a great night! Good night! Eat shit, Scotland! That's a wrap on our first ever show in Scotland. Thank you so much to everyone who came out to see us live, the staff at the O2 Academy, and our tour manager, Beth Thomas,
Starting point is 01:15:40 and our recording engineer, Matt Rice. Okay, time to talk t-shirts. We actually created two t-shirts for this episode. Gerard Butler Yelling Fuck London and Rupert Grimpert. You can buy these shirts. I love my Rupert Grimpert shirt. It's truly the best. I got it as a baseball shirt. It rolls. You can buy these shirts and every other shirt we've ever made at teapublic.com slash stores slash HDTGM. And my book is coming out in just a few days. 521 is the date but if you pre-order it and go to my website you can log in to an exclusive VIP section. All you have to do is show your proof of receipt and you'll get videos and pictures and so
Starting point is 01:16:16 much stuff. I appreciate you all supporting the book. It's been overwhelming. The reviews have really been blowing me away. I got three star reviews in Kirkus and Library Journal and it's been awesome and I hope you really like the book. The audio book is super fun, has bonuses from how did this get made and a bunch of other stuff. I'm excited and nervous and I would love to have you see me on my book tour.
Starting point is 01:16:39 If you bought your book, you can just come to one of the shows and I'll sign it. You don't need to buy a book there. You can buy an $11 ticket to go see me and the editor of The New Yorker, David Remnick, in Brooklyn on 521. Or you can maybe come see me in San Francisco in Corte Madre, Madreah?
Starting point is 01:16:55 Corte Madreah with Adam Savage, the original Mythbuster. It's a free show, that's totally free. And there's a bunch of sold out ones. Just go to my website, you can see what's available. And if you can't make it to any of my book tour you can go to the virtual live signing Jason Manzoukas will pop up in there so will Rob Hubel and that means that it's a virtual live signing it's just like a regular live signing I'm gonna sign a book you're gonna get that book sent to you
Starting point is 01:17:15 you're gonna get to ask questions and for ten lucky people I will make personalized video messages about whatever you want but wherever you live in the world I'm gonna get a book to you through that virtual live signing it's just you know called joyful recollections comm I believe that's where you can go there or just go to my website once again and it's cheap it's not expensive I've tried very hard to keep all these costs down and I appreciate you coming out and by the way check out me and Pally we're gonna be in Chicago together me and Adam Pally just shooting the shit having fun doing a book. It's gonna be a blast.
Starting point is 01:17:45 Just check out my website, it's all there. And how did this get made? We'll be at the Nantucket Film Festival on 620. There's still a handful of seats left for our Seattle Dinosaur Show. It's standing room only, I'm sorry. But again, my website has it all. As always, if you have a correction or omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K or write a comment on our Discord at discord.gg slash H-D-T-G-M,
Starting point is 01:18:08 and then make sure you tune in next week to our last looks follow-up episode on The Ugly Truth to hear me respond to all your messages, announce our next movie, and chat with Jason about all sorts of fun stuff. And last but not least, I gotta thank our entire team who this show couldn't be done without. I'm talking about our producers Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, and our movie-picking producer Averill
Starting point is 01:18:26 Halley, our engineer Casey Hulford, and our associate producer Jess Cisneros. That's all I got people. We'll see you next week. Until then, bye for now.

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