How Did This Get Made? - Time Cop LIVE! W/ Nick Kroll (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Nick Kroll (Oh, Hello on Broadway, The House) returns to join Paul, June, and Jason to discuss the 1994 Jean-Claude Van Damme movie Timecop. Recorded live from Austin, Texas, they cover JCVD’s grief... mullet, actor/activist Ron Silver’s nut work, the confusing time travel, and much more. (Originally released 7/7/17) HDTGM Spring Tour 2025 tickets are now on sale for Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boise, San Fran, Portland, & LA at hdtgm.com.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaCheck out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmJoin the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerVisit Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Friend Zone w/ Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch every Thursday 5pmPT / 8pmET: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Listen to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: https://www.unspooledpodcast.com/Listen to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social media Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It's a 1994 time travel movie that manages to spend most of its time in the year 1994. We saw Timecop, so you know what that means. Justin Agergrove, baby in his belly, rock a ron Stone Vest while ripping Justin De Kelly Or maybe see a burlesque show with Nick Crowe And take a boat with speed to hitting cruise control J-Man, Big Paul, and the beautiful June Gonna take you from the goon all the way to the room Rander games and Street Fighter hope to blow off steam Just a sucker punch the odd life of Timothy Green Chuck Nadeau, the birdemic, how we stayin' alive They call it in the badass and he's on the line.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Cranking 88 minutes, because they cool as ice. Because the bad Jim Barney looking kind of nice. Paul and June getting literal, Jason is getting laid. June is making sure all the monkey shots getting paid. They judge a bunch of movies while they making the grade. Here's a real question for you, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth! That's a good look. And hello people of Austin, Texas!
Starting point is 00:01:10 Wow! We are so excited to be here at the Paramount Theater in Austin, Texas with so many God damn people. It's beautiful, this is an amazing night. We have a great, great show, a movie that talks about the future in a way that it probably didn't even realize how prescient it was.
Starting point is 00:01:35 But we have a lot to get into tonight, a lot of splits to talk to, a lot of hair to talk about. And to join me as always, please welcome Jason Manzoukas! What's up jerks! Welcome! Welcome Jason! How we doing, Balcony? That's right! It's a deep, it's a very deep balcony up there. I don't want to blow you up, but before the show started, you said if people in the balcony
Starting point is 00:02:20 have questions, they have to come down because you're not fucking going up there. Balcony, I will come up there. You said backstage, the balcony's full of losers. That was between you and I, the way I separate the people down here. Oh, those are my people. You brought me back there and you said, check out the balcony.
Starting point is 00:02:43 You called them turds. Balcony people are my people, look. I just won't go up there because I'm out of shape. Jason, Timecop, did this, is this a movie that? I wish I could travel back in time to a period where I had never seen this movie. So I could watch it again for the first time. seen this movie so I could watch it again for the first time. Guys, this is a pretty great one.
Starting point is 00:03:11 I'm very excited about this movie and we'll talk about it a lot obviously. I hope so. But it uh. I hope we spend conservatively the next 90 minutes talking about it. It really could go anywhere at this point. We could dig into literature, great literature. Herman Melville, food. Four more authors. E.E. Cummings.
Starting point is 00:03:32 Oh yeah, no punctuation, everything's lowercase. Tom Clancy and of course Leigh Child. The four biggest authors of our gener- Is this the last one? Leigh Child, the Jack Reacher author. Yep. Of course, classics of all. But joining us here tonight to talk about this movie, some more.
Starting point is 00:03:52 My other co-host, please welcome June Diane Raphael. Look at this. What's that sign say? Bring that sign. It says thank you. Z, P, and J. It's fireworks. It says thank you, Z, P, and J. The Zooks, Paul and June. It's a beautiful fireworks. Look at this. I love that. Thank you. Oh, thank, the Zooks, Paul and June. It's a beautiful firework. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:04:25 I love that. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Look at that. That's beautiful. Look at that. That's beautiful. What the fuck did the rest of you bring?
Starting point is 00:04:33 Thank you for bringing gifts. The only one who brought gifts. You fucking dicks. That's why you're in the balcony. Wow, really going to town on those balcony. You know, I feel like a balcony person on the inside. Come on, we're at a live podcast taping. We're all balcony people.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Fair enough. This is one step away from Comic Con. June, how do you feel about Timecop? I would imagine, well before we watch it, you said to me, you had thought that you had seen this movie before. Yeah. And my mouth dropped because of all the movies.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Very rare. This one, did you see it before? I feel like on a Sunday afternoon, when I was like 16, I saw this movie. Really? Yeah. It goes against everything I know about you.
Starting point is 00:05:30 I know. As a person that you would leave it on. I gotta tell you, I enjoyed this motion picture. Yeah. Absolutely. I really did. It is not, it is not a, it's not a bad movie. Yeah! Absolutely. Ooh! I really did. It is not, it is not a, it's not a bad movie.
Starting point is 00:05:50 I would argue it's a great movie with a bad lead. He's by the way become great. A very dear friend, very dear friend. Dear, dear friend, dear friend of the pockets. Um, we- Ladies and gentlemen, Jean-Claude Van Dyck. Wouldn't that be amazing? We slammed him so many times.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Um, there's been a lot of speculation. Who would our guest be here in Austin? There's so many great people from Austin. And, uh, I will say that we picked one of your hometown heroes, I think. You know this guy from shows like The League. You know him from his upcoming Netflix special, Oh Hello, from the Comedy Central show, The Kroll Show.
Starting point is 00:06:39 The upcoming Captain Underpants movie and The house, please welcome Nick Kroll! Wow, wow, wow. Welcome Nick, welcome back. How did this get made? All-star indeed, you've been here for one of the first movies we ever did, Glitter, and from just- No, Burlesque. Burlesque. Burlesque. It is the first- is that episode one?
Starting point is 00:07:29 Uh, yes. I believe it is. Wow. And then- And this is great because you are here on the final episode. Yeah. We're packing it in after tonight. Dunzo!
Starting point is 00:07:40 It's a wrap! Nick, where did you fall in this movie? Did you see this movie as a kid? I did not. I've never seen this movie. But now that I'm watching it, it made me feel like a kid again. This movie, like we all agree, it's not a bad movie. I kind of enjoyed it. It's a good movie and it's also a very well done movie. Yes.
Starting point is 00:08:09 They spent a lot of money on this. It is shot very well. Like for a, what would normally be where I would put these movies into the categories of the Street Fighters and the Kumite. Thank you Bloodsport. The other JCVD movies, like low production values. This movie feels enormous.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Here's the thing, like I don't remember how many JCVD movies I've seen. Like four or five. Conservatively, what do you think? Four or five? Yeah. I don't know, I forget all the movies. June didn't even remember we were doing a podcast. Could you name three movies that we've ever...
Starting point is 00:08:44 No, but I don't have space in my even remember we were doing a podcast. June, could you name three movies that we've ever... No, but I don't have space in my brain for all of these horrible movies, but I do feel like JCVD is doing some of the best work I've seen him do in this motion picture. I agree. I agree. I really do.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Yes. You'll get no argument here. I think he's great. But imagine if you will, this exact movie, all the same players, Ron Silver fucking crushing it. Just absolutely fucking magic, you know? Bruce McGill just crushing, like all these great characters. Now imagine if instead of JCVD, it's Kurt Russell. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:25 That becomes a great movie. That's a fucking rad movie, right? One could argue that JCVD stole Kurt Russell's hair. Yeah. Here's what's weird about his hair. Okay, let's get right into it. And I guess we're getting right in. Let's get straight to hair.
Starting point is 00:09:41 But as time moves forward, his hair goes backward in time. It's very strange. His hair regresses. Yes. Well, he grows, I think, what you would call a sympathy mullet. Or a grief mullet. I think it's a grief mullet. A grief mullet, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:00 He's like, he wants women to know, I'm not ready yet. I'm not ready for this know I'm not ready yet I'm not there yet. So it like like an animal that grows an appendage to dissuade a Lover that's what he's done to to force women to be like, whoa. I'm so sad about the passing of my wife I'm gonna blow-dry my hair for conservatively 45 minutes every morning I'm gonna blow dry my hair for conservatively 45 minutes every morning. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha he's since passed away. Yes, he did. But by the end of his life he was very political and a pretty serious Republican. And whenever you see his chyron it always said actor activist Ron Silver. And when I was like about five, ten years ago I was with a group of people for a weekend and we went into his Wikipedia and changed it to actor activist Ron Silver.
Starting point is 00:11:10 You little scamp. Are you the person that keeps changing my name on Wikipedia to Jeffrey character Wheaties? You little scamp. That is actually, that is Stellan Skarsgard, who's getting back for us for changing his name for Stellan Skateboard. I went, were you with me when we were then in an elevator with Stellan Skarsgard?
Starting point is 00:11:34 No. And I was like, do I tell him? No way. No sir. Do I tell him that it's, Not one bit. That we, I believe are the reason that his, Wikipedia was locked.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Yeah. Because so many people kept changing his name to Stellar Skateboard. Wikipedia was like, stop fucking around. We get it, you nerds love podcasts, but cut it out. So Ron Silva is great. I would say- Mia Sarah, great.
Starting point is 00:12:04 I feel like I never knew- Sarah, great. I didn't know that she was in anything besides Ferris Bueller. When I saw her, I and Sarah! Great. I feel like I never knew... I didn't know that she was in anything besides Ferris Bueller. When I saw her, I was like, whoa! She's so... yeah. She's fucking great. Everybody. Everybody's a fucking monster in this movie. And I love that this is a time when women are very sexy and like very big brown plaid blazers.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Yeah. They're very sexy and... With like a turtleneck underneath it. Yeah. And you're like, fuck, I'm so hard for this right now. Actor-activist Ron Silver, I think he, he really revolutionized, he was at the forefront of men shaving a beard to a point to create the concept
Starting point is 00:12:42 of a jaw and chin. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yep. Well, I actually will say that I loved how, just to put a fine point on this, the movie was shot in 94, so like, we'll do a time travel movie where they travel to 1994.
Starting point is 00:12:57 So, we save all that money on pesky time travel. And when they're in 2004, we'll keep them in a dark building. Oh, but how do we tell them about, how do we signal that it's the future? Glue a bunch of shit to the outside of cars. Yeah. That'll be everything. Just glue a bunch of like plastic shit
Starting point is 00:13:15 to the outside of regular cars. They only had two cars that they could do that to. And whenever you saw the cars, they were by themselves on the road. It was like, no other car in sight. But Ron, but- Actor activist. Actor activist.
Starting point is 00:13:34 I love the way that 1994 Ron Silva played himself. Like, I'm a real wimp and a nerd. And then 2004 was like, shut up, you fucking idiot. Yeah. Yeah. It was, he was doing Fassbender, E-Fassbender before that was popular. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Yeah. I wonder though. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was gonna say that. Wow, so rude. You know what, I don't even wanna do the fucking podcast anymore.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Ladies and gentlemen, John Claude Van Damme. I just want to say... No, this podcast is my favorite of all the podcasts. You did say backstage, you did say backstage that you can do those splits. Oh yeah. Yeah, I can do the splits. Now listen, listen, you know, look, I don't like seeing a man do a split. I don't like it. And they've said it before. Why again?
Starting point is 00:14:30 What was the reason? It's unnatural to me. That may be controversial and I'm okay with it. What about when you're watching Olympic gymnastics? I admire it and I tip my hat to it. I'd rather not see it again. That's right. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:14:42 You only wear a hat when you watch the Olympics. Your Olympic watching hat. Actually in this film, when JCVD did a split to get out of a tricky situation, there was a reason for that split. An earned split. It was an earned split and I appreciated it. Well, let's take a look at the earned split right here.
Starting point is 00:15:01 And by the way, by the way, these buns are on fire. Have a nice day. Boom! Look at that! Keep that split going for one more shot. Look at that! That's hot. That is fucking badass.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Yeah, dude. By that I mean a great ass. But I have to say, like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do it, but I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it.
Starting point is 00:15:21 I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do, dude. By that I mean a great ass. But I have to say, like, I do feel that this movie was a transition to Jean-Claude a little bit because he's not like laying into the splits. He's not laying into bare ass.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Oh, it's about the acting. No, are you kidding? The second scene of the movie is a sex scene that starts on his ass. Yeah. Starts. I have to say, I felt like I saw inside his asshole in that shot.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Yes. Did I? And I was into it. Yeah. I was into it. I, when that, when that scene started, I literally, I was alone in my room watching the movie. I went, oh my.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Oh yeah. I was watching it on a plane and I was like, oh, oh. Well, the movie has, I guess, if I was to label one problem with it, it just does these hard cuts. So it's like, here they are, they're being cute on the elevator, they're kind of saying, let's go spend the day inside. And it's like.
Starting point is 00:16:25 We both have the afternoon off. Why don't we go and practice some of those words you seem to like so much. Right, boom, oh that's nice. Hard cut to. Exterior. Asshole. Kaboom.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Like what? Immediately. Candles, candles. Midday candles? Don't need them. You are, you are right, June. You are getting very close to, to... Sorry, we should have told the children in the audience to avert their eyes.
Starting point is 00:16:56 This is not safe for work, guys. Yeah, he... Look at that. Look at this angle. Am I kissing at the wrong angle? This appears to be a 45 degree angle. No one is enjoying that kiss. It's like she's on an elevator going up and he's going down and they're trying to tell him.
Starting point is 00:17:16 That is an X. That's an X. They are at opposite mouth. What's happening? Now imagine Kurt Russell. Also, he is a policeman. I'm not sure what she does. They live in a straight up mansion.
Starting point is 00:17:37 It's a little dilapidated. It's a little dilapidated, but it's enormous. I feel, and I don't know why I think this. So we know she likes to build bird houses. Are we supposed to extrapolate that she also likes to build real houses? Because the bird house was in the shape of the house. Of their actual house.
Starting point is 00:17:57 What if in the middle of a movie, a huge bird just flew into the house? By the way, I'm into it. And like the camera pulls out and it's like a little boy like this is my house. And John-Claude Van Damme has to fight a giant bird. The third act is him versus giant bird. Or he has to fight fuck that bird.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Yeah. I mean the segue from bird house making to love making is clunky. Yeah, well it also presumes that they're just like blasting each other in the backyard and they don't live in like a remote area. But again, like, but you could pick anything that he's watching. He's watching a videota tape of him and his wife in better times before she was murdered. And um...
Starting point is 00:18:48 Spoiler alert. Yeah. But you can pick any moment. It's so odd to be like, oh yeah, we'll just have him, he'll watch the video tape of when he was videotaping her building a bird house. What?
Starting point is 00:19:00 Like he would never be like, oh, let me build a bird house. Let me get my camera. And also is there sex tape? He's really watching, the bird house is my camera. And also is there sex tape. He's really watching, the burnt house is just the prologue to a sex tape. That scene, make no mistake, Paul, that scene is about him jerking off.
Starting point is 00:19:13 I was gonna, I was thinking. He's gonna jerk off. He's gonna watch himself plow his wife and jerk off, whiskey drunk. He drinks, by the way, for a hungover guy, he fights really good when he gets attacked. But again, he's Rocky Horror picturing his sex tape. So that also makes me go like.
Starting point is 00:19:30 He's also like throwing birdhouse pieces at the screen. And he's talking along with all his own lines in it. Like he's his biggest fan. He dresses up like Mia Sarah and Axel getting plowed by himself. Oh, you're so large, you're so large. I don't know why it unnerved me hearing him say his lines to her.
Starting point is 00:19:51 It was deeply unsettling. It was crazy. It was crazy. What if he was saying her lines and then it cut back to him and he had like a long brown wig on? I'm into it. I'm not into that.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I would say I'm glad that someone in this movie took a moment to spend four minutes to explain time travel to us like we're fucking idiots. Like, it's like, you know, explain it to me like I'm a kid or explain it to me like I'm a kid, or explain it to me like I'm a US Senator. Because here's the deal. And this is where, to me, the movie is the most flawed. They're like, hey, have you heard of the scientist before?
Starting point is 00:20:34 No, you haven't, because he's been trying to stay off the cover of Time Magazine, because he's inventing time travel, which we need because other people are time traveling. Wait, hold on. So the guy who just invented time travel, which we need because other people are time traveling. Wait, hold on. So, the guy who just invented time travel, you're already saying that someone else is doing it, and we never know who that person is,
Starting point is 00:20:54 and if they caught him, that seemed to me like, why don't you just introduce like... Time travel exists. Time travel. Now we need the police force to police it. Who cares? Because you're introducing this thing as like, this scientist came up with time travel,
Starting point is 00:21:06 which we need because someone else is doing time travel. Wait, I don't, I like, Did we ever meet that scientist? No. No. Nor did we ever go to the other base that Ron Silver is using. Yeah. Because remember they're like,
Starting point is 00:21:19 the prototype is still active. Where is it? It's right here in Washington. You know what we should do? Never go there. I don't under, Don't bring it up. This is a movie that I seriously, and this is why I give it,
Starting point is 00:21:30 to take the most points, I don't understand the time travel thing. They get into a vehicle that looks like a mini spaceship. They run into like a stargate wall, and then they're out of the spaceship. Just walking. Walking, dropping, whatever.
Starting point is 00:21:44 And then when they go back, they hit a button on their wrist, and they're back in the fucking spaceship. Just walking. Walking, dropping, whatever. And then when they go back, they hit a button on their wrist and they're back in the fucking spaceship. Yeah. Like what? How? Where is the spaceship? What's the transition? What's that transition?
Starting point is 00:21:55 That's called time travel. Run, run at the fucking wall. And then that's what it should be. Honestly, it makes the mailbox in the lake House look genius. Like, and by the way, we've already seen this done better in a vehicle-based time travel system in Back to the Future. How do you not, if that exists, how do you do that but dumber and worse?
Starting point is 00:22:22 I kept thinking with that, speaking of Back to the future, that Polaroid that they took, like, Oh, this will, they're like, he'll, he'll disappear or turn into Steven Seagal or something like that. I was also confused. Why didn't they pose for that picture? Yeah. He's like looking off to the side, like, I don't want to be in this picture. Also, and why do you think I have a parrot? Well, I was going to say, if that's the parrot guy. But also, if the thing is, take a picture with the parrot. Yeah. Put the parrot on their shoulder.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Take a picture with the parrot. This guy posits the idea of, I take pictures of people in the malls for money. I just happen to bring my parrot for me. It's a service parrot. And I get anxious if I don't have my parrot with me while I'm taking Polaroid pictures of people at the mall. Well, they originally had a scene where the parrot
Starting point is 00:23:10 was in the time travel explanation scene, and then he would re-explain it to new people as the movie went on. I also thought it would be great if they did take a picture with the parrot, and when you cut back to 2000 or 1994, the parrot has a big scar on his face. What happened to the parrot? Ooh. But yeah, that to me is the most,
Starting point is 00:23:30 the biggest mistake in this movie is like, it makes no sense. Were there any for the American government, are there any upsides to time travel? Are they getting anything from time travel? They don't appear to be. No, they're just policing it. And by the way, doing a shitty job.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Because in the first scene, he comes in with that black bag. Save my tax dollars and shut down the program. Wow, you sound like Ron Sober right now. Wow. Actress activist. Yeah. Actor activist. I think that it's because I agree with what you were saying.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Like, they appear to go in to like the past and in my mind I feel like they would be Like tactical in some respect. Yeah, but they are dropped sometimes into the ocean or onto the street walk to their And they just kind of he just kind of saunters around. He has no active plans whatsoever. Never. Like a law enforcement organization would go in with a plan.
Starting point is 00:24:31 He just is like, when his ex-partner is in, like making money off the stock market and then the stock market crashed, he just is like, do do do do, walks in wearing future clothes and is like, hey man, I gotta take you in. But from wherever he landed to here is insanity. Like what-
Starting point is 00:24:52 I do have to imagine, I mean, I'm sorry to jump ahead, but he goes back at the end of the movie to thwart his wife's murder. Correct. He must have been thinking about this attack that he's lived through for a decade, when he goes back to try to stop them from killing her, he's got no plan. No fucking plan.
Starting point is 00:25:12 No plan of action. None. He seems surprised by everyone who arrives. Yes. And a good portion of that scene is him running away. Is he simply running away? I would also argue that he's in the hospital to see Rae Don Chung.
Starting point is 00:25:30 And then he's like looking through blood, just like, boop ba da, da da da da, and then he's like, oh, my, my wife, that's right. Do you think he didn't remember that that was the day of her murder? Oh. Do you think he'd't remember that that was the day of her murder? Oh. Do you think he'd forgotten about that entirely? I did have an issue with the fact that he only went back to save her when he thought there was an unborn child.
Starting point is 00:25:54 Yes. No, he can't. He's a cop. He can't do it. Like he knows. But then why does he do it? Because it intersects with the case he's on. Which he didn't know previous to that.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Weak. No, I agree. The fact that he's never tried to... He can't! He could be like, there's an unsolved murder, it's my wife. I believe it to be time travel related. Or has it not occurred to him? No, I don't think it occurred to him. But here's the problem. He's an idiot then.
Starting point is 00:26:24 You guys, when his wife is murdered, he's already traveling back in time. He's already a time cop. At the time. Not yet. He's about to become a time cop. Time cop? I thought it was Tim Cop. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:37 My name is Tim Duncan. Okay, so this is the sequel to Tim Cop. In a few days, he will be a time cop. Correct. At that point. In 10 years. No, no, no, no, no. He's a time cop. He's about to take that job. Way earlier. Why not will be a time cop. Correct. At that point. In 10 years. No, no, no, no, no. He's a time cop. He's about to take that job. Way earlier.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Why not just become a time cop maybe even two weeks later and say, hey, I'd just like to go back two weeks. To investigate. To investigate this horrible crime. Yeah, my house exploded. Oh, man. And by the way, I can't imagine that has been solved.
Starting point is 00:27:04 No! Because people from the future did it. Can I just ask, like, this is probably not even worth me bringing up, but I will. Wouldn't that attack never have happened until he started investigating the case? Whoa. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, that can't, that doesn't make sense. No, because they would never have come back to fuck up his life until he got close to Ron.
Starting point is 00:27:32 So you think he's so clueless, but it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter, Paul. A tragedy befell him, regardless he could investigate that tragedy. No, I'm just saying though, that tragedy only happened because Ron Silva Ron Silva was like goons go kill him But at that point he had not had the information that his partner was working for Ron Silva So it's almost like the movie should start out in 2004 with his wife. He meets his partner He comes back and his wife is dead. It's like what it's almost as if the logic of timecop is flawed What? It's almost as if the logic of timecop is flawed.
Starting point is 00:28:03 Ha ha ha! How did this come in? How did this come in? The thing that makes me laugh about this time bureau too is that, like at the end when he saw, when he saves the day, spoiler alert, we'll get, we'll talk about other stuff too, but when he saves the day, like he's like, you remember me?
Starting point is 00:28:21 Like, and I feel like that would be what timecopping would be all the time. Like, wouldn't everybody be confused? Like, oh, you don't have a mohawk anymore? You remember me? And I feel like that would be what time copping would be all the time. Wouldn't everybody be confused? You don't have a mohawk anymore? Or this. Oh shit, he must've changed something. I guess I had the mustache. And that's the trouble I had with his boss
Starting point is 00:28:35 when he comes back and his boss is like, what do you mean? He's about to be the president, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, and he goes, no, when I left, that wasn't the case. And he's like, are you crazy? No, mustn't this be entirely what your division is created to police?
Starting point is 00:28:50 This information is exactly why you have a job, shit head. You have changed things in the past and it is rippled into the present and things are different now. President Hitler has been our president for 15 years. It's crazy. And listen, Bruce McGill is still killing it, but like, get it together, bro.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Well, also, when he comes back that second time, Bruce McGill is like, hey buddy, glad you're back. And then look in the next scene, he's like, so we're friends. Yeah, that's the scene I'm talking about. Okay, okay. That's the scene I'm talking about. That's where he should be like, wait a minute, if you're one of my police and you're telling me
Starting point is 00:29:24 we used to be friends and I think we're not, this is what I'm talking about. That's where he should be like, wait a minute, if you're one of my police and you're telling me we used to be friends and I think we're not, this is what this division is about. We're having it live currently. Yes, but my issue is even deeper than that being like, Paul, I'm gonna go back in time and I'm gonna explain this whole thing to you. But like, it's a crazy thing because it's not like,
Starting point is 00:29:42 it wasn't like Bruce McGill was his friend that he saw on the streets. That's my cop boss. I am a time cop. I just came back and he not like, it wasn't like Bruce McGillis's friend that he saw on the street, it's like, that's my cop boss, I am a time cop. I just came back and he's like, do we know each other? Yeah, you run this fucking division. I'm working for you. But he acts like, huh. So you're telling me we're friends?
Starting point is 00:29:57 Yeah, because I showed up in the fucking time machine that runs in your office. It's like, it's not like he ran into him on the street, he's like, no, in the future we're time cops. You think that you work for Sprint, but you don't. Here's the other one. Here's the other one that really bothered me, and I'm sure somebody will explain to me why I'm wrong.
Starting point is 00:30:17 In the timeline as it exists, isn't the Mia Sarah character, in 2004, the same woman who he rescued? Didn't she see the older him and the younger him? Yes. Watch, she survived. She had that experience. She survived and moved forward.
Starting point is 00:30:38 So shouldn't he at the end of the movie, she was like, oh, crazy day, and he goes, yeah, today was the day I saved your fucking life. Remember? Remember when you tried to run away with old me and leave young me? I also felt terrible for that son. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Because he's like, who the fuck are you, bro? Yeah. He's like, I'm your son. He's like, I don't know shit about you. He has no memory of the first 10 years of that child's life. Yeah. Dad, remember when I learned to ride a bike? Yeah, sure, man.
Starting point is 00:31:11 This is great. That kid's therapy as an adult is going to be crazy. I just feel like my dad never knew me. Why? Because he mostly was a time cop and wasn't really in the reality of my childhood. This is, by the way, I want to just talk about this kid. What about the wood paneling on that future car? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:36 It's like a Winnebago. It is, this is the shittiest, whoever was the set designer for this movie, boo, boo on you. Here is this end scene, we'll just play it for a second. Dad! By the way, I want to pause it for a second. By the way, they dressed the kid, they dressed the kid like him.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Why do they dress him like that? Is that what they're doing? He's basically wearing a version of what JCVD is wearing. He's wearing a long sleeve white polo, a long sleeve button down with an ill fitting vest. Now watch, watch the reverse. Watch the reverse. Boom.
Starting point is 00:32:15 White underneath, long sleeve on top, and it's a jacket and all that. I genuinely think he looks cool right there. Like I would wear that outfit. Long sleeve on top and it's a jacket. I genuinely think he looks cool right there. Like I would wear that outfit. This outfit, the outfit of the time cop, shouldn't it be more nondescript? Like you would think he shouldn't be wearing something that signifies that he's a cop. He shouldn't just be fitting in because that doesn't fit in.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Why when they send them back, don't they send them back in period specific clothes so they can blend in? Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not like they're invisible in the past. It's almost as if the logic of time cop is flawed. But that, we're going to figure it out. No, we are going to figure it out.
Starting point is 00:32:58 We're going to crack this. Here's my question. So like if, okay, so if Ron Silver, well it wasn't Ron Silver, so if his partner had died in 1929 or whatever it was, but if he had gone back as a person from 1994, is he dead in 1994? Who? The partner? Whoever the partner is, yes.
Starting point is 00:33:22 You're saying if he leaves 1994 and goes to 1930 and dies, right? Yes. He will have died in 1994. So he'll still live from 1930 to 1994. No, no, he died in 19... He died in 1930. But my problem is... He's a person from 1994.
Starting point is 00:33:42 He was born... I mean, we're in it. We're in it. I love this. He was born, say in like 1974. Oh really, you think 74? You think that guy's 20 years old? He's the youngest goddamn time cop on the force. Baby, baby time cop.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Listen up, baby time cop. Time kid. So, so he's 20 years old. He goes back in time. If he stays alive, if he stays alive he will live his natural life in the past until he dies. But he will still always die in 1994 if he dies He still has a couple good years. No, no, no, he falls out of a building He falls out of a building and perishes Did anyone understand his scheme of like what he was? What was he doing? He was making money on the stock market crash He was going there for Ron Silva to buy stocks when they were at their lowest Hold on to all of them. So when the stock market crash. He was going there for Ron Silva to buy stocks when they were at their lowest, hold on to all of them. So when the stock market came back.
Starting point is 00:34:48 That's why he had that day's paper, 1929, and that day's USA Today. By the way, he was holding onto the stocks for a long time. Yeah, this is a long game. They held onto that pan. They were like, circle, pan, USA Today, circle. You know what I did love about that too is like, they want to show that he's clearly from the future,
Starting point is 00:35:13 so he pulls out a mini disc, which was like a failed thing that was not, it wasn't, not a CD, it was smaller than a CD, like for a little bit, The select few had mini discs. And that was like, it's like, oh yeah, you just dated yourself big time there. But wait, how did he? His scheme was making money on the stock market crash.
Starting point is 00:35:34 But then when he was falling out of the building, he hit that button, they landed in the past. Didn't they just smash down into something? What do you mean? They were going at a giant. When they come back to the future, no, because they must arrive in the car, which they do. We see them arrive in the car. So they're falling out of a building
Starting point is 00:35:53 and then, boop, boop, in a car. Seatbelted into a car. How? And then, arguably, they must have seatbelted him again and then he was like, I'm in a car, no, nah, boom. And then he... Yes. The act of passing through the stargate,
Starting point is 00:36:11 or whatever it is, puts you out into the past, out of the car, and in a situation you have no control over. They are sometimes falling through the air, they are sometimes... This is, I didn't understand, they reference some twin brothers not making it through the air. They are sometimes. I didn't understand. They reference some twin brothers not making it through that passage.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Yes. So what happened to them? They smashed into the wall and exploded. But what did they do wrong? Oh, time travel. No, I think it's unclear. I think they were treating it like the space program. Like in the beginning,
Starting point is 00:36:44 people died trying to figure it out. You know what I mean? That's what I felt like they were treating it like the space program. Like in the beginning, people died trying to figure it out. You know what I mean? That's what I felt like they were trying to get at. But the thing that I kept thinking was all of Ron Silver's guys, fucking, when they travel through time, they're like, pew, pew, pew. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Yeah. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. They are fucking cool as ice, right? They are fucking sauntering into scenes from the future into the past, and when John-Claude Van Damme does it, he's like falling out of the sky. He's not where he wants to be.
Starting point is 00:37:17 These guys are pinpoint accuracy and looking fucking badass doing it. He lacked the long hair and back shaved side of head with hoop earrings. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Did you, Jason, did you say those guys look as cool as ice?
Starting point is 00:37:32 Yeah, man. Because one of those guys got turned into ice, which I think one of the best moments of that movie, when John Claude enters into the factory, there's a sign out there that says, extreme cold. It's that movie. When John Clod enters into the factory, there's a sign outside that says, extreme cold. It's not like- It's so big to the sign.
Starting point is 00:37:50 Yeah, it's giant. And you would never put that on the outside of a building. You would maybe put that next to the machine. The cold thing. Yeah. Because people seem to be wearing just sweaters in there. They don't seem to be uncomfortable. But they need to set up that when one of those things pops off,
Starting point is 00:38:06 that guy's arm will fly off like a... Which I loved! Oh yeah, it was great. This movie felt like Hollywood got a computer. That they were like, hey, we can kind of do all this shit now. You know, like the ripple... Like my parents are away, I can use the computer.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Yeah. Yeah. That's why there's, I can use the computer. Yeah. That's why there's like a scene with just flying toasters. Like, hey, get out of here flying toasters. My question is, if Ron Silver wanted to kill Jean-Claude Van Damme, why not do it in present time? Or why not do it when Jean-Claude Van Damme was 10 years old?
Starting point is 00:38:40 Why not go back in time? Why not go back in time? Are you going to go back and tell me? You're going to go back to Belgium when he was just dreaming of being a cop in Washington, D.C.? By the way, happy that I feel like this is the only movie I've ever seen where they call out an accent. Like me and Sarah's like, you with that accent.
Starting point is 00:38:58 It's like finally, after all these Schwarzenegger movies, like yeah, just say it is abnormal. It is abnormal that your name is like Rich Masterson. Yeah. And like, but yeah, you're- Max Walker. Max Walker. Foreign cop. I mean, it's pretty, it is pretty good.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Cause that was the thing with Street Fighter, right? Wasn't he like supposed to be Captain America or G.I. Joe type of character, but he's clearly from another country. Which is fine. It's just like, just call it out. Oh no. And me and Sarah doing great work,
Starting point is 00:39:30 grounding him as a normal person in the world, which he categorically is not. Can we watch that opening scene where they meet in the mall, which is, this is, I think this is the scene to. ["The Last Supper"] There's never enough time. Never enough for what?
Starting point is 00:39:55 To satisfy a woman. Ew. Then you never wanna miss an opportunity. Are you busy? I'm meeting my husband. If I were him, I would not keep you waiting. He's not here when I turn around? I'll go home with you. You'll do. Wow. Oh, I love malls. I love malls.
Starting point is 00:40:08 I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls.
Starting point is 00:40:16 I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls.
Starting point is 00:40:24 I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. I love malls. You'll do. I love malls. I love malls where when you're surrounded by people shopping you can just fucking go to town on each other. Wouldn't it be amazing like if all of a sudden you're watching them kissing in the background you just see Woody Allen and Yeah, with... Bette Midler, right? Bette Midler just like walking behind me like, I don't know, maybe we should get divorced.
Starting point is 00:40:49 You know, like... If all the scenes that are shot at the Beverly Center in Los Angeles were just all taking place on the same day, all the movie scenes. I mean, I loved her so much. I was so in love with Ferris Bueller that I feel like I've modeled myself after her, truly. But I didn't understand why her blood work
Starting point is 00:41:11 for pregnancy was in the hospital. I'm trying to imagine that she checked herself in for a pregnancy test. Also, her blood vial was basically next to Jane Doe's. Her name is Melissa Walker. Walker. It's not nearby at all. It wouldn't be in the ER section of the hospital,
Starting point is 00:41:33 or there. Well, also I gotta say that, me and Sarah makes a few questionable choices, besides the fact of going to the hospital to get our blood checked. Climbing to the top of her house. Yeah. In driving rain.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Okay, the main question I have for her is those socks. Yeah. Yeah. Why when old- Why? Why when old John Claude Van Damme gets there, right? Why isn't he like, put all your clothes on? Because you're definitely going outside.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Like, don't bother with everything you're wearing. Put clothes on, now we gotta get out of here. And whatever you do, don't tell me a time cop that I'm here. Yeah. Keep him upstairs. I would, me, the man who's about to take a job as a time cop, I bet I wouldn't get it. Yeah. Keep him upstairs. I wouldn't, me, the man who's about to take a job as a time cop, I bet I wouldn't get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:27 By the way, how about this? Hold onto this gun just in case you might need it. Yep. Simplest thing you could possibly do. Yeah. Nope. Bad guys are about to be here. Don't ask me if I have a plan. I don't.
Starting point is 00:42:38 I'm gonna freestyle this. P.S. the last time this happened, you died. But you know what? I'm doing the best I can. I'm gonna freestyle this, P.S. the last time this happened, you died. But you know what? I'm doing the best I can. I'm foreign. I don't know what's up. And he starts it and he's so proud of his plan because he goes outside the house.
Starting point is 00:42:55 He like, that guy comes in, he's like, boop, boop. He's like, ha ha, I got the shotgun. And then they immediately defeat him. Yes. He's so proud. Yeah. Why doesn't she recognize him? Why does it?
Starting point is 00:43:08 I mean, he has the same face. Did you see his hair? Yeah. I guess it's about an inch or two longer. Oh yeah. He has the same face. The more, I mean, it's clearly not. She's like, I can't see the back of your neck.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Here's what I want to know. I don't know if you are my husband. When he, when she sees him in the mall in that scene and she's freaked out, I'm like, okay, she's freaked out. It's not him, it's him, okay, whatever. Great. Then they make out. And I'm like, that's not your husband yet.
Starting point is 00:43:45 This is like, isn't she cheating on him with him? I'm not as worried about that. I just feel like I'm not as worried about it. Because if, if you don't, okay, is this a problem? What if young Joe, what if 94 John Claude Van Damme turned the corner and saw her making out with 2004 John Claude Van Damme? Do you think he has a right to be mad?
Starting point is 00:44:06 No. Because isn't he like, I know it's me, but it's not really me. What if Paul returned from the future with a grief mullet? She should have noticed. There is no way that she could recognize me, because I don't have anything distinguishing, like a big accent or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:44:26 And I also feel like it's just kissing. What? It's just kissing, I mean who cares? That's 100% a t-shirt. It's just kissing. What if she was like, he's like, it's me from the future. And then she was like, let me see those cheeks. Here's my question.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Why doesn't he say to her, call your husband, we're not even going to go back to the house. Yes, let's make a plan together. Let's make a plan to go to like a police station or somewhere we can be really safe. Or why doesn't he go talk to Bruce McGill and be like, okay, this thing you're setting up, I'm in the middle of it, Like, let's figure this shit out.
Starting point is 00:45:05 Also, I feel like the minute she sees him in the mall and he has that mullet, she should know she's dead. She should be like, oh no. There's not a world in which I say okay to this. Oh no, I would never let this happen. That ergo, I am past. I know that you guys are saying that it's, you know, it's hard for her to recognize her husband.
Starting point is 00:45:33 I would say the thing that really is hard to recognize is when Ron Silva sees Ron Silva and it's like, who are you? You keep saying Ron Silva. Yeah. And it's silver. I always thought it was Silva. Well, it's like, who are you? You keep saying Ron Silva. Yeah, and it's silver. I always thought it was Silva. Well, it's like Ron Silva. You know the Brazilian actor Ron Silva?
Starting point is 00:45:54 You've been saying it with a Long Island accent. Baby, you know what? I bet you that has a lot to do with it, because I only heard his name talked about when I was a kid. Which is weird. You see that?, Ron Silver. Hey Paulie, hey Paulie, you see that fucking Ron Silver movie?
Starting point is 00:46:10 Oh my God. I dare do. That has to be it. Yeah, I'm fucking kidding. I always thought that his name was Ron Silver. Fucking Ron Silver. But you pronounce it Ron Silver. Dude, actor activist Ron Silver. Dude. Act-a-activist Ron Silver, though?
Starting point is 00:46:25 But that's it. That is who should be fucking president, dude. I feel like you get a pass, Paul, because you get everybody's name right all the time. Oh, yeah. Of course. So this is really... But I know we were all like, fine. We're like, I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:46:42 I wasn't going to say anything. I was going to bring it up later for sure. Can we talk about... Both Jude and I have a number of times said Ron Silver. Yeah and I was like they're wrong. You thought we were wrong. Can we since we're on this... I'm honoring his memory by pronouncing his name correctly. Since we're on the subject of actor activist Ron Silva. Uh, um, can we talk about his nut work? Wikipedia's gonna have to lock his page. His nut work? Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:47:14 You guys know how I feel about wet mouth sounds. Yeah! Him eating nuts in that future car was making me gag. Yeah! eating nuts in that future car was making me gag. Holding his own little, like, his own little fucking porcelain, not porcelain, his own little crystal ball of nuts. He, yeah, he, we're out of this. There.
Starting point is 00:47:43 By the way, he's in a limo that, the inside does not match the outside. Oh. By the way, he's in a limo that the inside does not match the outside. No. He's in like a fucking like Winnebago and the inside where all the light seems to be just white. But this is a, we'll just play the scene because this is a great little scene that is, yeah, here we go. Elections are won with television. You don't need the press, you don't need endorsements, you don't even need the truth. You need money. So, tell me, how much is it gonna cost to buy the network time I need?
Starting point is 00:48:13 $50 million. Agent Walker has already cost me that much. I'll tell you, I'm gonna have a little chat. Okay. Kind of chat a man's ass off. Not quite Steve Buscemi. Come on. I'm gonna chat a man's mouth in the car. Not quite Steve Buscemi.
Starting point is 00:48:23 When I was wearing headphones, the mouth sounds were just impenetrable. I feel like Ron Silva. You feel like him? No, I feel like when Ron went over to the craft service table, he was like, I'm bringing this into the scene. Yeah. And I feel like a young Brad Pitt was watching you just being like. That's how you do it. That's how you act.
Starting point is 00:48:52 That's how you do it. He's like, the mistake he made was it's nuts. It should be shrimp. And then Ocean's Eleven, boom, shrimp cocktail. Yeah, the best. Oh, I love it. Just, the best. I love it. Just shoveling it in. Love it.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Not afraid of, I think, feel like this is the movie, like one of the last movies, just to have gratuitous nudity in it, like they're in the middle of like some investigation. And again, hard cut to naked woman on bed going like, with a come hither stare, like come here. I'm like, like wait what just happened What is going on? It's 94th the height of virtual reality right so it's like that Maybe it's oculus. Yeah, it was after it was like right around the Aerosmith video probably yeah
Starting point is 00:49:38 I bet you're yet. That's a hundred percent right and that guy who's not Matthew Lillard That's who I thought the computer guy was. It's not, right? No. I don't know who it is. I think his name is Scotty or Scott Bells. I don't know. I'm guessing on that. Really? I'm sure. Is his name Ricky? Yeah. Then it is Scott Bells. Nice. But yeah, they cut to like just just, just like a crazy new- Porno. Porno. It basically cut to a point of view porno.
Starting point is 00:50:09 And then they're like, hey, knock that shit off the work. I think it's what I heard it's called. But by the way- In articles that I've read about it. Where would that have gone? Where would that, like that character, would he just have started jerking off
Starting point is 00:50:20 in the middle of work? Yeah, what you realize is, he's watching virtual reality porn at his desk at the TEC Center. Yeah. Which is... Is virtual reality porn like a thing? I don't wanna know the answer.
Starting point is 00:50:32 By the way, I just realized something about the TEC. They put someone, they sentenced someone to death. Yes. That's immediately. Immediately. You are sentenced to death to be carried out immediately. That's pretty harsh. Why not just put him in jail?
Starting point is 00:50:48 It's also like, I was like, where it's a senator who's becoming president, I could never quite understand where he was in his election process. It's like, he's down. He's going to lose the election because he's run out of money. And then two minutes later, it's like, he's, I mean, I know it's time travel stuff, but still, and then they're like, I gotta,
Starting point is 00:51:06 he's like, if I can just bring you back to testify, that it'll all be solved. Like, I found that precarious. It was stupid. It was super stupid. What I like about Jean-Claude Van Damme in this movie too is he avoids puns. Like, he doesn't actively chase them.
Starting point is 00:51:24 He'll dispatch people people and it seems like he's doing them begrudgingly. Like he knocks that guy with the frozen arm off the thing. He's like, have a nice day. And then they're like, oh. And then he goes up to like Ron Silver and he's like, I should have said freeze. Come on.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Don't like, like just do it. Just do the line, man. Do it or don't do it. Yeah, don't half ass it like that. Because then the other guy's like, he goes, the guy goes, why don't you have a sleep on it? And he goes, I did.
Starting point is 00:51:59 That was his comeback. I also couldn't figure out why don't you sleep on it? Because his intention is to kill him. Yeah, to go to sleep forever. That's like sleep forever. Yeah, and he's like, sleep on it. And he could have said so many things. Yeah, and now I'm your worst nightmare.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Boom, nailed it, right? Would have killed. Just like I did. What does that mean? This is a dream come true. He literally gets to go back in time to deliver zingers, which he cannot do. Like you've had 10 years to think, what should I have said? What should I have done?
Starting point is 00:52:41 He's spent 10 years playing that night out over and over. Every night he must go to sleep thinking about his tragic night. And is 0% prepared. Well, he spent all of his time memorizing the lines from the bird house video. Ha ha ha ha! He's off book on that. What if he just said his lines in the bird house movie
Starting point is 00:53:02 whenever he killed someone? I don't know why you built the Bird House. What? Let's lay everything out first. Anyway, she says let's start with the most important piece. There's something to that effect. He's like, the bird feed? Well, I really want to talk about the pasta sauce Terminator.
Starting point is 00:53:23 The ending when he, with Ron Silva, where he throws Ron Silva... Act, act, act, act, act, act, act, act, Ron Silva. When he throws Ron Silver into Ron Silver, and they become like the T2 from Terminator, but like a pasta sauce version of it. They kind of merge. And again, I think it's like what you were saying. So did he have to stay clear of himself?
Starting point is 00:53:48 Yes. Yes. Adding pickup on that. He can't touch himself. He can't touch himself because matter can't be in the same place. Places matter. But if he throws Ron at Ron. By the way, I liked the reveal that he had gotten Young Ron Silver to show up at his house.
Starting point is 00:54:06 Yeah, in the middle of the night. In the middle of the night. Someone said there was a meeting. By the way, he has enough forethought to get that going. Good, good. That's good police work. But nothing else. He doesn't have more guns. He doesn't have more of a plan. He's got nothing. He doesn't enlist himself to help. He's like, here's all it would have taken. Hey, I'm you from the future.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Don't touch me. Otherwise we both die. If we do this, we all live great. If we don't, she dies. That's what we're doing. His young self would have been like, got it. Let's go, bro. Let's fucking do this.
Starting point is 00:54:42 It's like he's scared of his young self. Yeah. Yeah, but aren't we all? Yeah, well. Aren't we all? 2007, Jason Manzoukas running around. I'm also thinking about Ron Silver not having good lines too. It's like, hey, you ever see the inside of a presidential limousine? He's like, I'll send you a picture.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah. She was something but kind to him. To his secretary. presidential limousine. He's like, I'll send you a picture. Yeah. She was something but kind to him. To his secretary. Yeah. To his secretary, like, what? While he being so nasty. I just like that he's like, oh, I got a piece of paper,
Starting point is 00:55:16 I better go into the past. Just like, not much, not doing a lot of research, being like, hmm, I'm a senator. No, I got a slip of No, I gotta slip a paper. I'm gonna go to the past. No, he's not, he's in the past. That's young Ron Silver. He got a piece of paper that's like,
Starting point is 00:55:32 your old self is about to show up in the past. He's the guy that saw his old self kill the guy in the computer place. He's young Ron Silver. I just putting... We're just, we're pro, we have two Ron Silvas on the screen. Sorry, now it's ingrained in me, I'll never change it. Ron Silva. Well, see, the guy in the back is the actor and the one up front is the activist.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Just so you know, the tagline for this movie, anyone want to give a tagline? And I'll tell you what it could be. I don't want to put you on the spot. Tagline. I mean, this is what I'm putting way on the spot. No, no, no. Don't tell us. We have to guess. And we won't move on until we do.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Counting down the minutes. All right. You'll never get a second chance at love. Ooh, I love it. I think this might be the tagline. It's as if the logic of time cop is flawed. Ha ha ha! The line, the two tag lines are, murder is forever, until now. And then the other one is, turn back the clock,
Starting point is 00:56:57 and your history. Oh, that's good. I like that. It was based on a comic book, and it was Van Damme's highest grossing movie. My only issue with this movie is I would have liked to have seen more things play out in the present that had been altered in the past. Like the scar on Ron Silva's face. To me that's a fun way to play this game. Yes. And there were there was nothing else
Starting point is 00:57:27 really that altered in present day. Yes that you that you could actively see it just had occurred in the interim you know like Ron Silver goes from losing the election to winning the election in the in you don't see the actual effects of it it just is., I know what you mean, and that would have been cool too. I would like that. They did nail a couple of like future stuff, like, like, he basically walks into his house
Starting point is 00:57:54 and it's like a smart house, like he's got, that was actually, yeah. It's like, series like TV, and it goes, you know, like, That was very, yeah. And then I thought they did a good job with that. But they also missed the mark too by going like, in the future, water coolers will look like Roman columns. Like, they just put like a big water jug
Starting point is 00:58:10 in an ionic column or something. All right, let's talk to the audience here and see if they have some things that they want to bring up. I'm gonna go out here, I'm gonna talk to you and see what you have to say. Paul just takes off, goes back to 1994 here. Just comes back with a mower. In the Paramount Theater.
Starting point is 00:58:28 They're doing a screening of Dazed and Confused. All right, great, I'll start right here because you're the closest to me. The man carrying the Sandra Boynton book. Sandra Boynton, amazing children's author. Wow. You brought this for you and June. You brought this for us.
Starting point is 00:58:42 This is amazing. This is Happy Hippo, Angry Duck. Thank you so much. We have almost all of his books and not this one. Do you have your own microphone? We have a, well, you always have a microphone. Whoa. Whoa, he brought his own microphone. What's happening?
Starting point is 00:58:53 I just thought it doesn't work, but yeah, that probably works better, but I didn't want to hold the mic. That's amazing. So he brought his own microphone so he wouldn't be ripping out my microphone. I like. Your best time travel pun, if you can come up with one, I'll give you a moment, his own microphone so he wouldn't be ripping out my microphone. I like your
Starting point is 00:59:05 best time travel pun if you can come up with one. I'll give you a moment and your question. Go to the past see Van Dam's ass. All right that's good. I like it. Really good. That's more of a technically more of a rhyme but it's still I'll accept it. I accept it 100%. You're great. Your name and your question. Yeah I'm Andrew and my question is for Zooks Jason. Huh? Yeah directly you yeah directly but I you kind of took my question earlier because I was gonna point out the hair the the mullet when did the Van Damme mullet start? But Jason you said something earlier about the very beginning replace it with Kurt Russell
Starting point is 00:59:40 And then you brought it up again in the sex scene, but you never specified who we were replacing with Kurt Russell and then you brought it up again in the sex scene but you never specified who we were replacing with Kurt Russell. Oh you're saying Mia Sarah? So I was curious. No no you're right I'm saying Mia Sarah should have been Kurt Russell. Then you got me thinking about it and I'm like that works. I love it. Kurt on Van Damme. I love it. What if the movie was like, Kurt Russell and Mia Farrow in TimeCub? Paul, before we continue, can I do one thing? Yeah. Are there house lights for the balcony briefly for a second? They're coming down the balcony, yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Hold on, I know. They are coming down. Here's what I wanna do. Who has the worst seats in the house? I want the people that are all the way in the back. Are you waving your hands up there? Two people, a couple in the way of the back. The way, the last, the last, right there, the last, last, last.
Starting point is 01:00:32 Raise your hands. I want you to come sit in these two seats right here. We've got two seats down front. Okay. So who's... They're all the way there in that corner. Who's the furthest in the back? Raising your hand, are you part of a couple? Are you two people? Yeah, two, we'll take two.
Starting point is 01:00:49 Back two people, I want the two, you two that stood up, right there, let's do this. Yeah! Yeah! By the way, just so you guys don't know this, Jason, there were two people sitting there and Jason kicked them out before the show.
Starting point is 01:01:05 I was like, you know what, fuckos? Not tonight. Well, we have a first here at How Did This Get Made. Also, who doesn't show up for their front row seats? I know, they should. Time cap. What if we look down and there's just two people there? Like, it's, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 01:01:28 All right, go ahead. John Claude drops perfectly into the seats. All right, sir, your name, your time travel pun and your question. My name is Jordan. One of the other tag lines is a good one. His wife died ten years ago. There's still time to go back and save her. Okay. So my question is, so he's never met his son, he has no memory of the son, going forward, how does he figure out the son's name? I think he looks for clues. I think he does what I do, where it's like, he's there with Mia and his son.
Starting point is 01:02:05 He's like, have you guys met before? I feel like he probably maybe just says, calls him like boy for a long time. Hey, hey kiddo, hey champ. Hey you are the boy. Where is the boy? All right, are you guys from the background? All right, here they are.
Starting point is 01:02:23 No, just go, just go. Just go. I'll fucking send you right back. I'll send you right back. The minute they sit down. And that's our show, goodnight everybody. Let me get a lady here. I'm not gonna, just because of the line, I'm not gonna kowtow to the line.
Starting point is 01:02:41 All right ma'am, your name, your time travel pun, and your question. My name is Wendy. Hi. I'm not gonna cow-tow to the line. All right, ma'am, your name, your time travel pun, and your question. My name is Wendy. Hi. Hi, and my time travel pun is, it's me, baby, but with a mullet. Yeah. I love it.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Guys, we're having trouble with puns. Well, to be fair, to be fair, puns are hard to come up with on the spot. You know what, yeah, you're right. Puns are hard to come up with on the spot. You know what, you're right, puns are hard to come up with. Okay. Okay, my question is, it's a major plot point of the story that he's going back in time to get money to fund his campaign, but when he does go back in time to talk to his past
Starting point is 01:03:21 self, to convince his past self not to buy out of that chip company or whatever. Yeah, the Cold Fusion Company? Yes. He shoots the guy that's his partner. So how- Who's the genius? Exactly. How is he planning on making those millions that he-
Starting point is 01:03:42 Yeah, that would be like killing Steve Jobs right? And he invented the first Apple computer. It says that like, old man Steve Wozniak came from the future and was like, later Jobs, boop boop boop! In 1984. It also seems like that would have been the first step. Alright, let's go back. You do what everybody does, go back to the Civil War and steal gold?
Starting point is 01:04:06 So crazy. Yeah, oh yeah. There's a lot of easy ways to make money if you have access to a prototype time travel machine. This is so, oh you got it, you got it, here we go. You got a pun, you got a pun. Alright. Alright, here we go.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Your name, your pun, your question. My name's Rob, from Austin. No shit. Time travel. Once you've gone, you can't come. I like it. So you think his dick doesn't work because of time travel? I mean, listen. I don't understand.
Starting point is 01:04:42 I'm intrigued by the notion. Because you're thinking about so much stuff you can't get a heart on anymore. All right, your question. Um, the senator guy again. Ron. Ron, Mr. Ron Silva. Actor, activist.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Why didn't he just play the lottery? Yeah, a very fair question. Great question. Easy breezy. Yeah, that would be way more, it would be way easier. Why not just like, go back in time and buy a gold mine? That you know is very, or a diamond mine. Guys, let's all buy diamond mines.
Starting point is 01:05:23 The movie is called Diamond Mine. So we bought a diamond mine. I'm spitballing here, guys, but we can work it out. We'll write it together. Or why not go and like buy a sports book and just gamble? Yeah. All right, here we go. All right, here's your pun, your name, and your question.
Starting point is 01:05:44 My name is Rich. My pun slash tagline is, even a broken cop gets to be right twice a day. Oh! Oh! Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's it! Very good.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Very good. That's it! Wow! That's good. That's pun work, that's word play. That's how it's done, shitheads! That was great. And my comment slash question,
Starting point is 01:06:12 the fact that Nick is here makes this flawless. Because like you guys, I was wondering how a city cop owns a four-story Victorian house in a major metropolitan area. And we know how on top of it, internal affairs is. So I'm thinking in a major metropolitan area. And we know how on top of it, internal affairs is. So I'm thinking in a sequel, IA wants to know how he affords this. So they wanna know if he also manipulated the stock market
Starting point is 01:06:35 to buy his wife her dream house. So in the sequel, we bring on Sylvester Stallone. Okay. To reprise his role as. As Judge Dredd? bring on Sylvester Stallone to reprise his role as... As Judge Dredd? He reprises his role as Ray Tango, who was sent back in time to use his knowledge
Starting point is 01:06:52 of the stock market to either clear a good man's name or find out if he altered the past to make millions off the books of history. Timecop to Stoxcop. Stoxcop, I like it. Wow. We were on a journey there. I didn't know where it was going to lead,
Starting point is 01:07:12 but it paid off well. But imagine if Timecop had starred Kurt Russell. Oh. And then you got Sylvester Slum, and be like, hey, great. You know, we haven't even talked about the internal affairs officer. Yeah, don't you?
Starting point is 01:07:27 I'm sure. Gloria Rubin. I'm sure she was shot in the head. Yes. Wasn't she? Seemed to me that she was. But those were like laser guns, right? So they didn't like- Really? Laser guns?
Starting point is 01:07:39 They look like laser tag guns. They're like, pachoo, pachoo. Like they didn't look like gun guns. Okay, so what put her in the hospital? A laser wound. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:50 Laser wound to head. Sir, your name, your pun, and your question. My name's Colin. It's actually a Indiana Jones brand. All right, all right. I'll take it. Fedora hat. Not a cowboy.
Starting point is 01:08:06 Nope. Future perfectly tense. Ooh, okay, great. I just wondered if Jason noticed that by the end of the movie, Jean-Claude has erased most of the circumstances of the entire film and reset it so that he's the only one who knows the most of what we have seen.
Starting point is 01:08:24 It's kind of like he's all of... I see where this is going and I don't like it. I'm gonna stop you right there, not a cowboy, and say this movie is unequivocally not a Jacob's Ladder scenario. Nice try though. Nice try. They can't all be Jacob's Ladder scenarios guys.
Starting point is 01:08:47 But a lot of them seem like it. Somebody feel like they really have a great question. I want to... Wow. All the hands go up. All the hands. Alright. Well, I'm going to go to the guy in the kumite shirt. Kumite shirt available on Tpress.com. Yes, sir. Your name, your pun, your question. My name is Michael.
Starting point is 01:09:05 My pun is killing time as a whole new meaning. Great. Not bad. So, my question is about when they're in the freezing factory place. And 2004 Ron Silva is basically, he has a quote where he says the lines, this country has gone down the drain because of the special interests. We need someone in the White House who's so rich he doesn't have to listen to anybody.
Starting point is 01:09:32 When I'm in office it's gonna be like the 80s again. Top 10% will get richer, the other 90% can immigrate to Mexico where they can live a better life. He then kills his old business partner. JCVD says maybe he'll calm down after the election. So my theory here is that we live in a world where time travel exists. We know that Donald Trump's favorite movie is Bloodsport. He has said this before. Is that right? It is totally true.
Starting point is 01:10:09 Timecop is right up his alley. He has seen this movie. So in another time dimension, Donald Trump was just a normal dude. He saw Timecop. He thought Ron Silver was a genius. Then time travel was invented some point in the future from now. He traveled back to his former self. He gave himself some stock tips and said,
Starting point is 01:10:26 hey, you should run for president in 2016 when populism is sweeping the globe. Well, no one could beat that. That's fucking genius. I don't know why I was laughing. Give it up for that guy. Kumate, Kumate, Kumate, Kumate, Kumate, Kumate, Kumate. Doesn't that feel great?
Starting point is 01:10:46 Everyone can go sit down because no one can top that. I feel like that was great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. Thank you, sir. That was an amazing observation. Now, obviously we have opinions about this movie. You're jumping forward as if you went from talking to him
Starting point is 01:11:09 straight to her on stage. What is this, Time Cop? This whole podcast is gonna be memento style. It's as if these last few minutes didn't exist. It's like, it's as if the logic of how did this get made is flawed. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:11:29 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:11:37 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Now I'm done. It's time for second opinions
Starting point is 01:11:46 I went to Amazon.com and Bones got in my way Looked at these buns from both sides now Watch the whole thing and steal some hell I love this movie though it's bizarre I guess I'll give this film five stars Amazing, amazing!
Starting point is 01:12:20 The first standing ovation for a second opinion theme. Holy cow, you are awesome. That's how it's done. What is your name, ma'am? That's how it's done. Thank you so much, you are amazing. I'm gonna give you a signed How Did This Get Made poster and then this great book called Great Showdowns,
Starting point is 01:12:44 The Revenge by our guy, our friend Scott C Scott see who does these amazing drawings check him out. Well the time cops second opinions were pretty great I'll start off with this one by Griffin done And it's not his name kind of sounds like hang on man, but it's actually Hagman on Griffin hangman on goes not a full moon man, but it's actually Hagmanon. Griffin Hangmanon goes, not a full mullet, but close enough to be entertaining. Five stars. Well, close enough to be entertaining gets five stars? I guess he just judges movies on people's mullets.
Starting point is 01:13:18 This is from Adele, and not Adele, but just Adele. I would love it if Adele wrote a review on this. Hello. For those of you who like Jean-Claude Van Damme, this is the best. Just a great story for those who like time travel movies. Movies like It's a Wonderful Life. Not technically a time travel movie. For those who like time travel movies,
Starting point is 01:13:52 this might be in the top 10. Think about it. All the time travel movies that have ever been made over the years in a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie is mentioned amongst them. That's pretty good. Five stars. Well that doesn't count because she mentioned it. You're the one mentioning it. That's like saying he's the best actor of all time. Pretty amazing that he's considered the best actor of all time. And then this one's an odd one by Nat Curtis.
Starting point is 01:14:25 I first saw this film in the movies and I enjoyed it then, as I do now. It helps people grow beyond a limited view. Five stars. That's pretty, I mean, it really changed this guy's worldview, this movie. So really changed this guy's world view of this movie. So this movie was conceived to be a sequel right off the bat. Jean-Claude didn't want to get into the sequel game, so he opted out.
Starting point is 01:14:54 The movie was eventually remade, or they made it in 2000, or I guess a little bit later, with Jason Scott Lee, the guy who played Bruce Lee in the movie Dragon, and it was called The Berlin Decision, Timecop 2. It also became a TV series that ran for nine episodes on ABC in 1997. It was a Super Nintendo video game, and it was John Claude Van Damme's highest grossing movie that he ever did, making $44 million at the box office on a budget of 27 million. That's not very successful. It was the year the three movies of 94,
Starting point is 01:15:34 Forrest Gump, The Lion King, and True Lies and this came in at 31st. Someone really yeahed. I'm sorry, Our gang reject. You tell them Paul. You see. Two lies. What if you looked over and it was just Arnold Schwarzenegger with a little voice box. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:57 Yeah. Yeah. Um. That's right. Obviously, if you have a different opinion than we have here, you can give us a call at 619-P-A-U-L-Ask, that's 619-Paul-Ask, where you can leave your comments, your questions, about anything. And are you still running 619-Paul-Ask?
Starting point is 01:16:18 But I don't advertise it on this podcast. Yeah. Are you still doing it where you talk about your puns? Yes, I do, but I don't talk about it on this podcast. I don't talk about 619-Paul-Ask. I don't talk about it. this podcast. I don't talk about 619 Paul Ass. I don't talk about it. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:16:28 Let's go down the line. Jason, would you recommend someone to watch? Fuck yes! Watch this movie all the time, cop! This movie is fucking awesome. It's pretty terrific. It's loads of nonsense. Everybody's chewing up the scenery.
Starting point is 01:16:45 I say 100%, go for it. June? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And I feel like it's the right amount of time for this movie.
Starting point is 01:16:56 It's not too long. Yeah. Which is, I guess, a glowing review. It's not too long. It's not too long. It's not too long. June Diane Rayfield. You can watch another plane ride like a plane ride from LA to Austin.
Starting point is 01:17:16 Nick? I mean, yes. In any number of ways, yes. And I think it's a tribute to actor activist Ron Silver. So, so good. And by the way, Paul, when Ron Silver came on the screen, I said, because I didn't see the opening titles, first I said, is that Andy Garcia?
Starting point is 01:17:38 I had the same feeling. And then you said, that's Ron Silver. And I said, Ron Silver? And then we never spoke about that again until tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:50 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really do, I'm obsessed with the fact that I've only heard people pronounce it as a child. Right.
Starting point is 01:18:00 And it was ingrained in my head as Ron Silva. You're like, that's not Ron Silva, that's Andy Garcia. Ha ha ha ha. And before we go, I want to give a big thank you to you, everybody here in Austin, for coming out. We are blown away by the amount of you that came out. It means the world to us. Everybody here at the Paramount Theater,
Starting point is 01:18:23 who is amazingly professional and awesome, we thank you so much. A big thank you to Avril Halle who cuts all of our clips here. You can follow her on Movie Bitches on YouTube. We'll see you next time. Yeah, great. That is it for our Austin episode.
Starting point is 01:18:39 Again, you can catch Jason and Nick in the new Amy Poehler-Will Ferrell movie, The House, and make sure if you have any questions, concerns, anything at all, you call us at 619-PAUL-ASK, that's 619-PAUL-ASK, to register a complaint, a question about your life, or something that we might have missed from Timecop, and we will play that in our mini episode. 619-PAUL-ASK, it's a Google number, so I think it's free to access from around the world. All right, people, we will see you next week on How Did This Get Made, mini episode,
Starting point is 01:19:09 and a big thank you to Avril Halle, who pulled all of our clips, Leanna Waldron, who designs all of our cool little designs on Facebook and Twitter, Kelly Alta, who just pulls the whole ship together, of course, our good, good friend, Nate Kiley, who does all of our research. All the amazing people at the theater that we were at in Austin, they just killed at
Starting point is 01:19:29 the Paramount Theater. They were amazing. We love being there. July Diaz, all the engineers at Earwolf because I don't know which one's editing this. All right. See y'all next time. Bye bye.

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