How Did This Get Made? - Torque LIVE! (w/ Jon Gabrus)

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

Jon Gabrus (101 Places to Party Before You Die) joins the HDTGM crew to break down the 2004 motorcycle action flick Torque, a film that answers the question, "What if rap rock was a movie?" They discuss Ice Cube's sticky cell phone, the Carpe Diem jacket, Dane Cook's cameo, and so much more. Plus, Torque co-star Adam Scott sends in a message detailing his experience on the movie and Gabrus performs a SHOCKING act to protect his fellow Long Islanders from danger. Go to www.hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Follow Paul on Letterboxd https://letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: https://discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to Find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

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Here's a real question for you, how did this kid pay? Hello people of Earth, and hello people of Los Angeles, we are live here at Largo, our home in LA It is 4.20, and this is a perfect movie to celebrate this amazing holiday The film Torque, a film made by the same people who made Fast and Furious They said we did it with cars, let's do it with motorcycles They figured it out, now when this film was made, oh let's see in 2004, it did not spawn as many sequels as the Fast and Furious franchise So sorry, but we do get this film with, how did this get made, All Star, Adam Scott as a FBI agent who might be the best part of the entire movie But if you've not seen the film, how can I sum it up?

Well, it's complex, it's about a guy who likes motorcycles, gets involved in a weird drug thing that he didn't know about And then leaves to go to Thailand, FBI comes in, they're like, hey, where's that drug guy, no one knows, then he waits a cool 6 months Comes back to his hometown, his girlfriend's like, where the fuck were you? And there's some bad guys, we don't know why, they're a bad guy, but one of them is Ice Cube Then there's the drug dealer bad guy, long story short, our Thailand guy gets framed for a murder he didn't commit Cops are after him, both bad guys are after him, and this is the film Tork I think that's the most succinct way to put it, I'm not sure So, this movie rules, and I can't wait to break it down, and I can only do it with my co-host

So please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason Manzukes! What's up, jerks? How we doing, Largo? Welcome, Jason! This movie, I know you love bikes, I know you like hogs, getting on your hogs You know I do, bro, you know I arrived here on a Kawasaki There was an article in a motorcycle magazine That you subscribed to?

Of course, still get the physical media, support physical media, and it was like, even though Tork sucks Here are the four greatest scenes, and it's so technical about motorcycles that I couldn't even get through it My update, my update for motorcycle magazine is, you're wrong, Tork doesn't suck Give me the Torkiverse I believe, I believe, and I'm gonna put this out here now, that fast and furious, it took five films for them to figure it out Tork figured it out day one They did, Tork did fast five level stunts in number one This shit was nuts, like we used to talk about, when I can't remember if it was fast seven or eight

Or one of them where it was like, oh they're fighting as if their cars are fists Yeah That happens in this movie They're fighting as if the bikes are extensions of their bodies, not things that are going 140 miles an hour And then they're like, no, I didn't know motorcycles could do this much, but that's why we have a motorcycle expert here Someone who knows what it's like to ride at 150 miles an hour every single day And my other co-hosts, please welcome June Diane Raphael Welcome June, how are you?

I'm well, how are you Paul? Very good, thank you for asking Good June, you like bikes, I know you like bikes You're so wrong, I had such Didn't you ask me to ride a bike? Paul, I hate motorcycles, I don't believe they have a place on our roads Fully agree

They don't And actually, I haven't told Paul this yet, but I'm planning on asking our children to promise us they will never get on a motorcycle We have so many regulations and restrictions on what cars have to have as safety features inside of them But we also allow motorcycles, which are just you go as fast as you want, open, just on the wheels And it's totally legal for you to drive in between cars, like that is expected Somebody did it on my way here last night, I was driving and there was traffic and somebody was coming through like on the other side But in my lane because there was traffic on the other side coming towards me And I swear to God, I pointed my car right at him

And I was like, no, no, this is my lane, this isn't for you to cheat on Yeah I killed that guy You know what, and I want to bring out our guests next, but that's where I struggle with motorcyclists or cyclists or bikers or motorcyclers But I, because I'm just like, I know you have a death wish and I don't know what to say to you about that Like I don't know why you don't like this life, but Why are you in such a hurry to end it? Yeah, like why do you want to die so bad?

I will say this, I just realized right now, I rode motorcycles as a kid on the back of motorcycles because my Wow, as a kid you had access to horses and motorcycles? Yeah, they're the same thing, one just has wheels, the other has hooves Thank you, thank you for breaking that down for us You know, motorcycles are the horses of now A lot of people, a lot of people listening to the pod saying to their partner, see, I told you But I'm realizing that my stepfather would always tell me that when he got into a motorcycle accident, he had a peg leg And I never drilled down on that until this minute, that's not possible, he didn't have a peg leg

He said he had a peg leg under his leg leg It was like, they had recovered, like he got to a motorcycle accident, lost his leg and then reskinned it And I'm realizing now Only now? That I never questioned it since I was a child, like I was like, peg leg Oh, I just, it didn't come up in my mind until this very moment I told a story prior to now about your stepfather's fault leg, peg leg as you call it Was he a pirate?

He always said it was a peg leg and he would try to make me feel the... Careful, babe, careful Paul, let's keep it light, let's keep it light, it's a Thursday night Wherever this is going, whatever epiphany you're about to have, don't have it on stage Yeah, let's do it off stage, babe, let's do it off stage Your repressed memory is about to happen, let's do it in the green room after the show, my guy All I'm saying is, if I told you that story, a 60% chance it was false, that he had a peg leg I still want to drill down, I want to talk to the doctors

Now, I mentioned earlier it's 420 and we wanted to have the perfect 420 guest We also wanted to have a perfect guest that knows everything about action movies You know him from his podcast, High and Mighty, and the action boys Please welcome, John Gabriel Vroom, vroom, bitch Vroom, vroom Welcome, John, welcome, welcome Now, June said earlier, Jason, you're gonna get a lot of Long Island on stage

And you're looking at a Long Island block right here That's right John, June and I, this is it, Block Island, Strong Island Yeah, it's great to be together, you know Yeah, it's nice that we're not fighting on the Long Island Railroad It is John, you have seen this film I have seen Torque, of course

So you saw Torque before this podcast I saw Torque before this podcast Yeah, Torque oversold itself pretty hard If I remember correctly, I remember being like, fuck, Torque is back Yeah, well, Torque Yeah, it's just saying, Torque is like a word I remember this movie coming out and me learning what Torque was It's like Stigmata, it wasn't until the movie came out

That I was like, what does that mean? And someone explained it, I was like, oh, that's cool The movie Stigmata or Passion of the Christ? Passion I guess I'm talking about the time my dad's hands and feet started bleeding Then he explained Stigmata, he's like, it's actually a movie if that'll help you learn it Put it on, he was like a substitute teacher, he walked away I do think that Torque is not a great name

Terrible name Yeah, it's not If it wasn't called Torque, there would be nine of them I know, why call it Torque? Yeah, I'm gonna try to define it I can't believe it's not called Carpe Diem Car spray painted out Incredible

Can I tell you, it wasn't until 45 minutes into the movie That I noticed his jacket said Carpe Diem And I just about lost my mind I was like, now we're cooking When he did his first hero shot and I saw it, I was like, wait, is that a joke? This has to be a joke, I mean Wait, he can't wear it for the rest of them, he can? He did

By the way, Torque is the measure of force that can cause an object to rotate about an axis So is that just So the way I think of Torque is you're pulling something back before you're letting it go And whatever that is, that amount of pressure is the Torque? Does that sound about right? Wait, is there a Torque expert? Okay, I'm gonna go to page 42 I'm gonna go and talk to our Torque expert

Alright, we have a Torque expert closer There's just a guy in orange leathers that says Carpe Diem I guess ask him, he speaks Latin Ladies and gentlemen, Martin Henderson is here, Martin Oh shit, he parked my car Torque and motorcycles, how do they relate? It's rotational force So with motorcycles, because it's an enormous amount of power versus a small wheel with direct power

You can take off very fast, that's why assholes take off the line really quickly Also, people in Teslas Oh wow What's your name? David? Give it up for David everybody David knows Torque That's how you answer a question

Informative, succinct If you try and grab the mic Well we know this movie is gonna be about motorcycles Because the first thing that we see is this little Do you think that this was I did not notice that Did you think that all of the anti-car stuff was purposefully trying to start a beef with Fast & Furious? Well I don't know but why then name your main character Ford?

Great question Wow But it does feel like this movie is coming at you from a place that we aren't sharing It's like, you see these cars pull up and you're like, oh shit, it's a car movie It's like, nope, fooled you, the science says cars suck Fuck you, we've all thought it And we're like, no, we haven't I haven't thought it

It's coming so aggressive at you that like, finally This is a movie about motorcycle and motorcycle problems But we don't, I feel like they could have brought us into this world a little bit nicer Like, hey, no No, they drop you in, like, hard And not only that, it first says, okay It seems as though the central competition of the movie is gonna be cars versus bikes Sure

There's the bikers who are on the road and the cars are like, fuck you And they're like, haha, we're the bikers But then it's just, the cars go away entirely Then it's just a movie about motorcycles that go anywhere I don't know where this movie takes place And I was shocked when they said LA because I thought for sure Florida I thought there's no way we're not in Florida Most of this movie is shot between here and Morongo

It's shocking There's a moment where they're just like I feel like there's a moment where they're straight up in the Dominican Republic And then they're all of a sudden by Dodger Stadium I'm like, wait That's just how good this movie is That's how fast motorcycles are If you're going 160 miles an hour, you can be to and from the Dominican Republic in a heartbeat, bro

Well, you're right about this, like these car guys, we know car guys are bad Because the first thing we see them do is try to beat a child Like, I know they're Save the Cat, but here it's like Save the Kid Well, even before that, in the opening scene where you just saw the cars The cars are drag racing, fast and furious style The movie is truly a fuck you to the fast and furious movies They buy the fast and furious movies Neil Moritz, producer of both, incredible stuff

But the guys are fighting, they even have like, nausea injectors And they're doing all of the fast and furious mechanics And then the motorcyclists come in and are like Eat shit And the people in cars are just dismissed Well, throughout this movie, we find the first interactions that most people have with each other Is absolutely antagonistic Yes, at a level that is like 150%

The inciting incident of the whole movie is a guy drives a motorcycle past another guy on a motorcycle And he's like, that was so fast, I'm going to eventually frame this guy for my death I will say that maybe it is about being on a motorcycle Your body is shaking so much, you've unscrewed something in your brain You just run that anger, you're constantly mad, your body is shaking I imagine that if you're on a motorcycle that much, when you get off You're still always living with the sensation of moving 150 miles an hour You can never settle down

For sure, and there's also an element which is present in the movie I feel like this whole movie is asking the question What if rap rock was a movie? This feels like they made it the most unfortunate time in American history The year I graduated college where aesthetics disappeared for one year And they were like, you know what, people like garbage It's movies not old enough to be cool and it's not new enough to look good It lands in this period of time where you're like really janko khakis

And you also, it does feel like... We talked about a film credit in the last episode about Suggested By This feels like Suggested By Kid Rock's Dream He's like, yeah, and then they kill him with a motorcycle thing An FBI guy, he's using it on it too And then they're on top of a train and it's heroin and boom everybody blows up The GoPro cameras in their faces But Paul, I do want to try to understand a little bit more about what the basic plot of this movie is

Great, I love it Okay, what do you think it is? Take a step back I have a lot to say about Shane's business Shane's Shane's because from what I understand Shane is the love interest, right? Yes, of course

I want to ask about this too Yeah, I have some questions about her business But Shane had a shop, Shane's It seemed like an outdoor flea market No, no, that's not the shop That's just at the bike rally, that's her tent at the bike rally That's like a pop-up It's like an activation, like a brand activation

Glass shelves, each with one single rear view mirror Well, she went to the car festival with five rear view mirrors and a pistol The set design for her tent was bananas Well, this movie is, especially in the beginning, mostly shot through rear view mirrors Everybody has a rear view mirror, let's only do reflection shooting So at the bike show, people have retailers have paid, I'm sure, some sort of participation fee to be there Sure, of course So then they sort of show their wares and you know

Show their wares I assume she's there to take care of bikes, correct? I think she's there to sell people parts for rear view mirrors Because a lot of rear view mirrors are getting knocked off by motorists, I imagine Okay, so you're saying that at Shane's store proper, what is the business? That's why I can't figure out I assumed she was a mechanic and selling parts You guys are saying this movie is confusing

You're saying there's only one torque, I can't believe it This is technically torque four What are you talking about? When you watch this movie, they talk about so much shit that is already in their hands Absolutely right, he enticed that on them That is so important to this, it's like, well, remember I went to Thailand because you got raided For those six months And they're talking about shit that happened a long time ago

And this is what they're dealing with actively in this movie It's like, alright, everyone back from vacation Let's talk about it You would be in the theater and people are like, oh shit, Martin's back I feel like, and I hate to correct you, but it was Indochina I just want to also say, you've seen multiple times in this movie But I did really feel like, wow, would love to see some of that That you're talking about over and over

To me, it felt great, like, oh, there's a history here that will unfold Nope Never does Without seeing any of that history, the bad guy gang is so bad for no reason Okay, so here's my question though, Gabriel So, Ford, what has he done? He was sort of fooled by... Ford was told to watch some motorcycles, and he had a nice relationship

And he worked where at that time? I think... That's my question, where did he work? Oh, I think he's just a freelance motorcycle guy So he just... He's all 1099 And there's podcasting support at the time So basically, he got the...

So he's just doing this for a friend because he misjudged his character Correct Because that makes Ford look like a fucking idiot Oh, let's be clear He's an idiot Every single person in this movie is a stone cold moron Full stop Well, they don't notice any of the setups, none of the double crosses

They don't even notice an obvious frame job when they see it It's just so wild though to not give him any stakes to have done that Shane is not at risk He just randomly watched the wrong guy He would have liked him if he was maybe dealing drugs on the side And he made a mistake, he got in over his head To pay for someone's health care too I needed something to last on to

He was told to watch some motorcycles Didn't question it I wonder why then he opens up the gas cap as a meth or heroin, whatever it was And he's like, oh shit, let me get that out of here And then let me leave town And I'll leave this in my girlfriend's shop I'll say nothing Move to Southeast Asia in a country TBD

While I'm gone, shop gets raided Shane turns against me Nothing happens to the bad guy? But also nothing happens to Shane Which is his excuse for why he took off Which is not to bring all of that down on her But these bikes are never found, it sounds like At the end of the movie, they're found

No, they are, but I'm saying like No, they're not, you're right, they're not He's hitting them because he realizes they've got drugs in them He realizes that that makes him look suspicious to Adam Scott's FBI Is he FBI? He is FBI He's gang task force, if you want to see his introduction Adam's introduction

Is kind of the best moment here Adam, by the way, kills it in this movie He's very good Amazing He's bringing it He's in the movie, I wish everybody else was in I know You know what I mean?

I wish everybody else was in the movie And Justina, the both of them together were I wanted to watch their scenes Yeah, 100% They are tuned to the right frequency for this movie In a way that nobody else but maybe Cube is You know what I mean? And I want to get into Cube in a second

Not his performance, but his character Here we go Agent McPherson, federal gang task force You don't look like your typical fed What'd you expect? Cheap suit? Late model Taurus, $10 haircut How'd y'all get here so fast? I don't know

Get this many jacked up motorheads One place I'll wear in color, something's bound to happen Pays to be close This is Agent Henderson John Doe Don't let her good looks fool you She's still one of the best field offers I have Come on

I was like, did she step out of the Matrix Reloaded? There's a bunch of Matrix shit throughout this movie The final motorcycle chase through the streets of New York City? That, by the way, seems like us, yeah Or where are they? They're not in New York City They're in Los Angeles They're still in LA But it looks like it looks too busy for downtown LA

It's crazy that this movie takes place in LA And I think the craziest part is when the bad guy says Like, we've got a million dollars in there And I'm like, bro, that can't even buy you a house here I know They're like killing people over two million Of a million dollars worth of crystal meth Fuck dude, you gotta go to Torrance

I don't even know Torquence Torquence I don't even know where they're finding their industrial factories To have their rave Because that seems to also be centrally located Like, they have a race Because they have a race to her house

Which looks like it's so suburban Like, oh, are we in Ohio now? And he's like, I'll buy you a drink And now we're in a fucking rave Where literally, like, hot lava Or, like, steel is being smelted On some level Because I'm seeing big sparks

The other thing, when they're in the first act When they're at the, like, Sturgis-style bike rally Or whatever And everybody's, you know, racing up and down And peacocking and showing off The radio person, the DJ, at one point says We're gonna have highs from 94 to 103 Can you imagine how bad that place smelled?

I'm disgusting Imagine drinking out of the leg of the Carpe Diem leather pants Just to fucking shake the fucking groin sweat out of your car Carpe Diem And you know that they're smelling it Because every man speaks to the other man No more than four inches apart Like, they will, there's a rule

Like, if you were more than four inches away from each other Gotta close that gap It's like, people are in each other's mouths At the Sturgis thing How great that Henderson has a Ramones t-shirt on He has, like, a Hot Topic Ramones shirt It's like, this dude, if he's 25 and 04 Is not into the Ramones in the biker world?

No Absolutely not He learned about the Ramones in Indochina Is there a biker culture in LA? Absolutely Oh, okay, I didn't know about that Absolutely right I didn't know about that

Well, I do have a question about it Because when Ice Cube's gang rolls up on Ford Why is he mad at him? Okay, so that is the entire inciting incident This is crazy He drives past Junior Cube's brother too fast That kind of shakes him and knocks him off the bike And he's like, God damn it

Chases him down, pulls a fucking knife on him We get to see a cool reflection in the knife Great shot If there's anything that can reflect, we will shoot through it That's it I will say, the movie is shot well They shot the shit out of this movie Because I was never confused

I was so confused about the plot of the movie But I was never confused geographically where people were I was never confused as to what was happening Who was where Only at the end when the motorcycle is going 150 Or maybe 500 miles an hour At that point I was like, I don't know what happened

Well, when you have the phrase Rolls Royce helicopter jet Those are three different things I know, like, it's a carbon chassis Built on a Rolls Royce helicopter jet engine It's like, what's up? There was also so much, actually, way too much Tongue acting in this movie Everybody had their tongues out

And was communicating with their tongues It was 2004 No, it did feel like that It was when tongue rings were new And everybody was like, tongues are a thing It was a time when people were like I'll take my tongue out You know, like, it was

There wasn't a stigma around it I mean, we've now seen two really amazing performances By Jamie Presley Jamie Presley is She was freaky She scared the shit out of me in this movie I was like, this woman I do not want to meet her

She threaded a perfect needle for me And that she terrified me And aroused me simultaneously By the way, at the end when her What is the woman's name who's playing chase? Monet Mazur? That's what it is I was like, when that came up

I was like, oh, it must be a French trained actor I've never heard of or whatever No, when they do ballet-based Like fight sequence on top of motorcycles I was like, this is everything I feel like the filmmakers were like We're doing Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Sponsored by Mountain Dew

On motorcycles Sponsored by PepsiCo Oh, man, and a little Budweiser Budweiser got a few bottles broken over people's heads But with like a freeze frame label Yes, the king of beers All I wanted to do, and I looked for it all day today Was to find breakaway bottles

Because the amount of littering they do in this movie That's unacceptable They always are just throw I know, that scene where Ford and Shane Are at that little playground area He just finishes a bottle of beer And throws it down on the ground I'm sorry, are they at a children's park?

They are Wild They're throwing it down by a children's park Makes you sound like an alien who just Take me to the children's park Not a playground at a children's park That seems to be a playground I'm looking for a children's park

Park for them and them only For things for them to do There was a moment where they're eating And again, I think this is a movie about bike culture Made by people who don't know bike culture Because... You don't think so? I also think this is a movie about gun culture

That they don't understand how guns work Because they precision fire Saw it off shotguns At people to be able to break their handcuffs Apart A shot of shotgun blast at close range Would demolish your whole body It's a scatter shot

It would blow their hands off Literally, they're like... Bam! Okay, thank you so much They would blow their arms off Everybody in the movie would be dead This movie suffers from G.I. Joe Slash A-team rules

Where everyone's firing machine guns and guns But the combat always ends up Nudging each other off a bike at the end There's literally a line where he's like Meet the twins and fire Do you guys see the spider descending from the sea? Ahh! Of course

420 Long Island! That stays here Don't say a word People say, what did Gabriel do? You don't say a goddamn thing About the fact that he ate a spider? I heard you were at that show

Where Gabriel died afterwards Bro, what happened? I'm not allowed to say anything But on the reddit, they're wondering why Gabriel mysteriously died Dude, that was straight up Henry James That was crazy So all I saw...

So many things just happened in my body So many things It looked like he was going to kiss it first I did not see the spider first I just saw Gabriel go... Like, his eye line was over here And I was like, well, one of you have come on stage And are about to...

I've been watching it for a while But I was like, wow, this is it, June This is how you'll die And then to see a spider And then to see what happened next Wow I just wanted to protect my fellow cast members Wow

That's some Long Island protection right there A plus Let me talk about... I can't wait till the end of the show And Gabriel's tongue has swollen When I fall down My head splits open and a million baby spiders come running out

When someone's like, Jason, do you have your epi-pen? I think Gabriel needs it I will say... Carpe diem Carpe diem I do want to say And I feel badly about this That...

That spider did pay for the VIP experience And now he got a refund Let's talk about the diner scene Because I want to... Maybe my head went to a place that you didn't go to Which is one of the... One of the people in the Good People's crew Says, oh, I need some

Paint and body work Does that mean she needs, like, shit? And do her makeup? Like, when she said I need to do some paint and body work? Like, is that what bikers say? It might be, like, makeup, touch-up It would be my guess, yeah Paint I got was, like, I'm gonna powder my nose

And then, like... I gotta empty the gas tank Because it was, like, body work felt like I need some paint and body work Shit and do makeup And I kind of want to get that in the lexicon So I gotta do some paint and body work now Sorry I'm late, I had to do some body work

The Good Guy crew Vasylates between being 10 years old about girls and sex To 40 years old about girls They're, like, oh, you got a girlfriend the later on It's, like, she's probably the one who's responsible For you being on time And it's, like, they vacillate completely

It's, like, dude, let me get 10 more minutes With her, please, man Oh, yeah It's, like, how old are you guys? And she's wearing a motorcycle helmet So how are they kissing? How are they doing anything? I would imagine one...

Oh, Paul, you don't always have to kiss That's true But then there was so... They were all under the sheets so much That I feel like you may get a concussion Just, like, there's maneuvering everywhere in the helmet I thought about it, too, Paul And what, where I went

Was, like, she put the helmet on When she thought he was going to leave Like, wait, wait, wait Oh, okay I know what'll get him back here Well, that's what I had to make sense of it Fast and furious And this movie, do it, too

They, like, presuppose some idea Of the male gaze where it's, like, Dude, chicks with fucking wrenches And driving fast Nothing hotter And it's, like... Oh, yeah Transformers, too

Transformers, too Michael Bay thinks, like, the hottest woman Is a woman under a hood, you know In, like, crop tops Yeah, this, this, this movie has, like, A foreplay on motorcycles Where it's, like, oh, we're going to ride through town together And it's, like, they never sit on the same motorcycle

Except for a brief moment Which would be a traditionally romantic thing But instead, it's, like, race a billion miles an hour Through, like, Chinatown Terrorizing the citizens And that gets us both juiced up And ready to rock Well, I wonder if they were going to have a wear-gasm

Because that was a piece of graffiti I saw in that bathroom Where the man is choked out A wear-gasm Multiple times Wear-gasm And it was felt like W-E-A-R-gasm So, like, where...

What was a wear-gasm? Well, I think that's a... Or it's suggesting that you wear the... The clothing line gasm Or, like, oh, my God I love your outfit I just had a wear-gasm Like, or this outfit's so hot

I just had a wear-gasm I think it's every full moon someone comes... It's half orgasm, half human Uh, ah, ah! Uh, ah, uh! Oh, oh, oh! Ha, ha! Well, I personally was uncomfortable with

How Ford was treating Shane's business Because when they were in that diner When they were in that diner He made a comment about how it was wonderful To date a woman who could take care of herself to take care of herself as she got up to pay the check for him and all of his friends. I found it to be very distressing.

He just doesn't see, and that's why I did ask where he worked. Oh no, he's a loser. But make no mistake, everyone's a loser in this movie. I guess what I'm just trying to understand is what is his trade, though? Like, I understand, and I- Racing.

Motorcycles. But... Yeah, he doesn't explain what he does in Thailand. No, he just wanted to see you. Like, he wasn't like, yeah, I was there for six months. Well, how'd you pay the bills? Doesn't he say- Sex worker.

Doesn't he say he competed in a race? Does he say he competed in a race there? Or something? No, I don't think so. No, okay, okay. I think he says he competed in a kumate there. I would love that. Kumate.

Kumate. Kumate. Kumate. I will also say that I like that people are constantly surprised when motorcycles pop into frame as if motorcycles can sneak up on anyone. Oh, hey, what are you doing here? Didn't see you roll up on your motorcycle.

They also are able to, at one point, when Ice Cube and his gang are chasing them in like the desert, in like, I don't know where they are, but in the desert, they're really close. And then somehow, our crew, the hero crew, disappears on them. And hide in a sewer. They hide in a-

Jason, when you were like, I understood the geography of every shot. I'm like, I didn't know where they were. I had no idea where they were. What made no sense to me though was like, can they really not see, they're on dirt. Can they not see the trail of their title? Well, that's Holt.

Okay, Jason, you touched on something that bothered me about the whole movie. It's so fun. There's a lot of exciting set pieces, but so much of the chase makes no sense. It's like, yo, Cube, don't go on top of the train. Ride next to the train and see what he does. Cube, do not go in opposing traffic.

Do not jump this ramp. I think you can eyeball him. Yeah. Well, I mean- You don't have to be right behind him like, fuck it, we're going directly into the volcano. Well, you're not getting away from me. I'm eventually gonna physically fight you hand to hand.

This is my, what Ice Cube is up to on his bike is the fucking funniest. This is Ice Cube on a normal ride. Now watch what he does. Watch how he has a phone, everything. Here. First of all, phone. Sticks to it.

Magnet. Just hold on a second. This spot is the whiteboard. Golf is great, the whiteboard. All right, get me a map. Give me a map. Time. Gets the map, hands off, hands off the bike,

map fully extended, folds the map up, gives it back, and then it's off. He's also wearing a motorcycle helmet, traveling very fast and having a phone conversation on a map, I guess maybe the magnet phone had. Mere moments after this, he's riding with his whole gang. I'm saying two dozen guys, right?

Mere moments later, they're all shoulder to shoulder pissing on the side of the road. So many questions about that. If you're gonna piss, if you're gonna pull over and have a pee break, got it, I get it. But do you all stand shoulder to shoulder? To do it, that seems like a wild choice.

Well, let's talk about the logistics of what they do because when the inciting incident that gets Junior to want to fight Ford, they're having a barbecue four feet off the side of like Death Valley Highway or whatever. They're literally right, like, we're like, oh yeah, we should just pull over here and grill. It's 125 degrees.

We'll just post up right here. And later on, they say, stay out of Compton. And I'm like, you guys are from Compton. You just hang out in the desert in the sun. But that's something. There's caves, there's downtown LA, there's everything like, there's a fucking cave. There's caves.

They're hiding in a cave. They spend the night in a cave. That's a thing to know about. Yes. It seems to know where all the weird hidey holes are. Again, between here and Morongo. Like, I don't even think these, that's the thing is, these guys aren't even going to Sturgis.

They're going to like a bike rally at Morongo. Like, they're just in the desert. That's it. So just to talk through the urination scene for another minute. So you think they all did have to go, and I don't know about this actually, but I don't know that if called upon to go right now,

you know, I could. But if you just get a chance going, folks. But edit this part out, June pisses on his name. Whoa, she could do it. Holy shit. Or weirder, it's in the episode. And all spiders come out. Really weird.

I stopped listening to how they just get made when they started doing pissing on the show. Well, I think of it more like, when you're on a road trip. I think 20 men in that line. What? See, that's it. There are 20 men in the show.

Well, I think it's like when you're on like a road trip, like when we all go on a road trip with the kids, I'll be like, well, we're stopping. So everyone just go to the bathroom. Like, even if you don't think you have it, you might. And that's what I always say in the video. You don't want to be the new guy in the reapers going, I know you just stopped, but I have to go now.

Or the guy that everybody's like, hey, how come you're not pissing? Hey, how come you're not pissing? Hey, that guy's not pissing over there. Right. This guy's not getting enough fluid. That's the cool thing about the reapers. They're all about hydration.

Ice Cube is like, guys, if we're gonna be in this gang, we're in a lot of hot weather. See, gotta hydrate. I don't want anybody getting dry cracked lips. I want everybody here fully hydrated. Well, the pissing thing, the map thing, the movie threads this weird tonal needle where it's like, it's trying to be a comedy at points,

but not in a pithy way. It has like funny moments. But all of the fucking like one liners are just clam city. Just like, it's a little... Well, until Dane Cook arrives. And there we go. At which point, this movie crushes.

Comey. Now, by the way. You know you're in a desperate spot. If Dane Cook shows up in a movie and you go, ooh, okay, all right, we have this. This thing's got some fucking legs now. Yeah, let's see what's happening here. This feels to me like a moment where they're like,

okay, it's not in the script. Dane Cook's super hot. Let's give him $5 million. He'll crush. And it'll make everything great. Oh, it reeks of like a producer's like, you know, I'm actually kind of friends with Dane Cook's manager.

And people are like, he's not gonna do this. He's like, let me talk to him. He won't do something like this, he said. We'll write him a scene. He'll love it. So when I saw Dane Cook appear, I was actually like, oh, I bet they shot way more with him. Which then made me even more confused.

Cause I was like, wow. I bet they threaded him through this entire, they had a plan for him that was like, you're gonna appear here. He's gonna come back here. Yeah. And then his callback moment is even softer than his. Does it?

Well, his callback moment is weird because he arrives on a motorcycle and leaves in a car. Well, because he's been humiliated. He's like, I'll take a car instead. He's fucking, he's talk, he is what we, what us fucking hog heads, that's what they call us, motorcycle people. We're like, we fucking see these Dane Cooks out there.

This is for, they're like, we see these Dane Cooks out there all the time. Buying nice, sweet fucking bikes. They don't know a goddamn thing. Is that what hog heads call them? Dane Cooks? Yeah. Well, they show us.

Oh, I got a Dane Cook coming. It's pointed that they show his like sneakers trying to put the next stand down. Oh yeah. The wackest thing you could wear is sneakers on a motorcycle. He's not even wearing a Carpe diem jacket. He can't find it.

What's really funny about that to me though, is like, it's a scene that is comedic forward. So much so that like, he comes up to, what's the bad guy's name? Henry James. Yeah. The author, Henry James. Henry James.

Watch Henry James Ford. I was like, oh my God, that's funny too. Henry James Ford. It was really weird. Anyway. Famous Nazi. So, so Henry James, who is truly an unrepentant, evil guy.

And also a cast member of Fast and the Furious. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Who? He's Vince in Fast and the Furious. The guy who turns on them and finds. What?

Am I right here? Or am I bugging out? He's right. Yeah. I'm mortified. I didn't know that. And so he's terrible. He's like that mustache twirliest bad guy, right?

Dane Cook arrives and is like, hey, can we get a picture with you? He's on his bike. The bad guy's on his bike. Can we get a picture of you guys for our internet thing? And then, hard cut, too. They're taking the picture.

They're going off to do it. They walked to the edge where the water is behind them for a good picture. Like, they participated. Listen, it's always nice to have your picture taken. By the way, this looks like at a kid's quinceanera. This is incredible. Another children's park.

There's bubbles. There's a piñata. There's balloons. This is fucked up. Look how close their motorcycle is parked to where they're on. Well, imagine being at a party and there's like a guy on the grill

and you have your tire a foot away from them, revving the fucking engine. There's a kid playing piñata feet from the motorcycle. If they were to, like, the... The exhaust is so close to everybody's feet. All those kids are in a class action mesothelioma lawsuit now. I still don't understand why they even show up here. Again, the geography of where the...

The bikes are just ending up everywhere. The bikes are just like... Well, it's like Fast and Furious with cars. If people, if the riders are anywhere, they have to be on their bike. I mean, but this seems like why a children's party, it's not crucial to the public. I was shocked they didn't commit the murder

in the red bathroom on motorcycles. It would be better. Remember, there was a motorcycle part. It was used. Yeah. Which, by the way, the detective work on that. Incredible. Someone was like,

and the way that they'll get out of the crime is that every motorcycle chain is like a fucking fingerprint. High five, control, alt, save. No more work today, buddy. Four-day weekend for us, motherfucker. Bye-bye. And these... Did your coke guy come yet? These fucking guys, they're so dumb.

The whole gang is so dumb. And the way they figure out that the chain is like a fingerprint, and then one of them goes like a fingerprint. And the other one goes, yeah, like a fingerprint. Try not to move your mouth when you're thinking. There's like 50s roast to each other. It's like, well, someone's a crowd friend.

You're like, what? Let's go to the audience and talk to you about what you might have seen here. Questions, answers, and I want to hear also what you think your motorcycle gang name might be. If you were to roll with a crew, like the Reapers, obviously, is there anyone out here that has a good question, something in observation?

All right, sir, your name, your motorcycle gang name, and your question. Oh, God, that's a lot. My name's Ian. I'll go with Detective John Kimball. Okay, that would be your motorcycle gang name. Absolutely. Detective John Kimball, ride out.

Okay. Circle up, Detective John Kimball. And not even plural. You know, it's singular, which is like... Who do you ride for, Detective John Kimball? And it's 200 members strong. All right, and your question. Well, it's not really a question, it was an observation.

Great. Is it an explanation of hope? I hope so. Did it just feel like the Nickelback of Fast and Furious movies? Nickelback is the closing credit theme. No, no, no. He said that was amazing.

All right, yeah, over here. Yes, come over. Can we come closer? There we go. All right, your name, your motorcycle gang name, and you can't take Detective John Kimball. That's taken. All right, and your question.

My name is Melissa, and I got to come up with a new one, I guess, Missy G. Missy G? Again, these are very singular names. I think people are giving themselves nicknames in the motorcycle gangs, rather naming their gang like what they would be on their cut. Right, yeah, okay.

By the way, it works. That's fine, but it's still good. And your observation and question would it be? Sure, so when they were on top of the train and then came off the train, the train conductor didn't try and stop until feet from Ice Cube, and then it just kept going? I had a question about this, too,

because the motorcycles are riding on the train track, 50 feet in front of the train, for a long time, and at no point does that train slow down. You've got to assume the conductor is just like, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. Here I am, driving my train. Then he sees a motorcycle. First, come in front.

Then another drops from above. At that point, you got to hit the brakes. Well, listen. He finally puts down snood at that point. Maybe it's the same thing they always say that car drivers, we actually don't see motorcycles. We don't see them on the road. We are trained to look for cars.

And you're definitely not trained to look for cars or motorcycles if you're on a train track in the desert. Where is this train going to and coming from? Because when they go inside it, there are commuters on there. You mean there are people like newspapers and shit, and it's in the middle of the fucking desert, and there's no stops, there's no. It's going to Westworld, I think.

I know it's truly like, is this the Pacific Surfliner? Like, what is it? No, but it looks like it's going to Massa Piqua or something. It's like it's going to drop everybody off. It's the Babylon line. Exactly. Amityville, Copag, Lyndon Hurston, Babylon. But instead, Ford is driving or riding his motorcycle

through the train inside, and Cube is on top. And why once they got off, didn't they just drive into all that open space? Why spend so much time on this track? That's what I'm saying. The second Ford is on top of the train, if I'm Cube, I'm like, I'll just buzz near the train and keep an eye on it. As a matter of fact, I think the motorcycles are

faster than the train. Yet they spend so much time on top of it, as if it's helpful to them in any way. It's not. It's not at all. It's a hindrance. It's just spectacle. And when they are riding on the railroad tides.

Sure. What is your name, the name of your gang? My gang name is Dr. John Gooden. And. DJ G. No, the railroad tire, they're bouncing more than. They should not be riding in between the tracks. That reminds me, this movie has to let us know,

you know there's negative space underneath the train tracks. This might be the first featured shot of from underneath train tracks up. Again, they do really inventive camera work. The director is like a legendary music video director. He's directed like some of the stuff. And if you told me all of his directing credits were for corn, I would believe you.

Well, so I had to justify this conductor on like some level. So in my mind, I was like, he must know. Because I think even when you put those emergency breaks on for a train, it still takes what? A couple of miles to stop? Yes. At least. So if I'm him, I'm like, if I put the brakes on,

I'm going to have to, there's going to be a whole lot of admin around that. A lot of people. And I got a bunch of, and all these people got to get to work. They got to get to work. At the desert factory. They got to get back.

They all work at the hills have eyes, mine. Yeah, I'm sure these guys will move off the tracks at some point. Got to. You think they got to? They got to. And then they don't. Your name, your gang name, and your question? I'm Nina.

My gang name would be Stardust Brothers Fan Club. OK, I like it. Again, unwieldy names across the board. But it looks good. Looks good on a leather vest. You're telling me how did this get made? Crowd at Largo can't come up with good biker gang names. Shocking.

Everybody's is nerdy somehow, or misunderstands what the assignment is. Friends of Grogu. And none of them have any motorcycle knowledge? Whoa, blown mind. What is your observation question? What do you have? I just want to go back to the cave scene.

I have a question. So the cave had lights in it, like electrical lights. And my question is. It was someone's home. Right. It's nicer than my house. The inside of a truck trailer had lights in it. There's no way that would be like a living room.

That scene's nuts, too. Right. And did they stumble upon this cave accidentally? Or did they know about this cave's existence and ride there on purpose? They seem to know every nook and cranny of the Thomas's English muffin that is this desert landscape.

Remind me, I've been in Phuket. Is the cave still lit? I would love that to go like that. I would love somebody to go in that cave and go down and be like, hostess rapper. Wait a second. Were you really in Thailand, like busted? I've been in this cave for six months.

I love that. He just smoked a million dollars worth of meth in a cave over six months. It felt like Thailand. That's my teeth pile. That's my hair pile. That would be if he was just like gaunt and salo and disgusting.

Got to seize the day. Seize the fucking day. Carpe diem. Carpe diem. Shane. Shane, I miss you. Shane. Your name, your biker gang name and your question.

Gabriel. Got it. Biker name? Yeah. Or biker gang name. The Mountain Dews. I like it. There we go.

Someone gets it. See? It's possible. Real quick. The fight with the Mountain Dew and the Pepsi? Yeah. See the animatronics? What's going on?

Yeah, well, this is interesting. We talked about this, like the bikes are used as an extension of a body, right? And they are like, bikes are going up against walls. They're like, they are literally. They're on top of the bikes. They're dancing on the bike. Like the bikes are doing wheelies.

And real hog heads refer to this as hog foo. Yeah. It is. It is. I did write bike foo in my opinion. I tried like 12 different versions. It is just that. It is crouching tiger, but on bikes.

Hidden motorcycle, hidden Kawasaki. And they're not even like, they're not even like special bikes. They're just like, oh yeah, we normally, like, we'll fight on bikes. We'll fight in real life. They seem capable. Yeah.

As if they've done this a million times. Right. Right. What about the switch out on the highway when it's like, a crowd drive. And he's like, OK, he's like, get some. And it, but that's. He jumps in, he gets up out of the car,

and he's just like jumps in. What's so crazy, what's so crazy about the scene that Gabriel is depicting for you is they're carrying on a casual conversation. They're like, OK, so you take her to the thing and I'll be over here. OK, cool. That's great.

There is such a ease. Oh, one thing that my stepfather taught me was that. Paul, be careful. Yard. Be careful finishing that sentence. Make sure you eat your limes. Is that you need a body to keep the bike upright while in motion. I feel like that is a major part.

You need it to be taught that? Were you trying to get it to go on its own just. Yeah, these bikes are really like, these bikes can keep on running without anyone on them. And when the weight comes on them, they seem to have like, it's like, oh, shit. There's no, there's no, like the bikes are the same. I said they're unwieldy.

Yeah. OK, so obviously we have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Chris, take it away. TORQ is a film about bikes, not cars, stuff in crystal meth, into carburetor parts. Ford is coming back from Indochina with a sprocket

fingerprint for the FBI now. It's TORQ. It's TORQ. They fight in bars. Amazing. Thank you, Chris. All right, these TORQ reviews are the best. OK, there are, the average rating is four out of five stars.

There are 2,500 reviews. 75% of them are five-star reviews. And it starts out like this from Monica Flynn. What I like the most about this movie are the motorcycles. Well, Monica, you're in fucking luck, babe. What I like least about this movie, nothing. It is a great movie from start to finish. Five stars, title, the storyline.

Can I just say one thing? No, I'm sorry. I want to just say one thing about the motorcycles. I'm not into motorcycles, but I didn't feel like they got any glamour shots in this movie. Until the fancy one at the end, I totally agree. Just that one moment, but it's like, in the fast movies, I get to know each car and what the special things are.

And each car represents each person. Yes. And by the way, I will say, June, that that fancy motorcycle, the Jet Turbine Y2K bike that carry Ford rides, actually exists and is owned by Jay Leno. Mr. Jay Leno is an entity. He's made of gasoline. It is.

It is. No. Is that take too hot? Hey, is today here? Now, to your point, Gabriel, it is actually powered by a Rolls-Royce Allison 250 turbo shaft engine commonly used in helicopters. Jesus, that's where the torque is coming from.

Now, but what's crazy, and to June's point, I agree, the Fast and Furious movies, the vehicles have characteristics that are representative of the characters. They only drive American. Yeah. And these bikes are just whatever. And they're disposable.

People lose bikes. I will also say that that cool bike was an ugly-looking bike. It didn't look, it didn't look like, ooh, you're going to get a lot of heat from Jay Leno. Oh, sorry. It looks like a fucking sex doll. A lot of heat from Jay Leno. It's really sure.

When they pulled that thing off, I was like, talk about my bike. This audience loves Leno. When they pulled that off, I'm honestly, my first thought when I saw the lines of it, I was like, refrigerator. Like, it looks like. Yeah, it looks like that.

It's a little, yeah. It looks like a toy. I was like, should I load my dishes into this? You know, Jay Leno doesn't spend any of his Y2K motorcycle money? Just his stand-up money. Yeah, just stand-up. This second review is from Krista T. She writes,

Chrissy Teigen? Chrissy Teigen, we'll see, maybe. Husband liked it. I was like, eh. OK, movie, five stars. That was Chrissy Teigen. Legend is a huge fan of Torque. Legend is a Torque head.

And then, but he's a fan of Peter Torque from the Monkees. Should we just take one second to say, I have officially lost this audience. Yeah, you have. Interesting. I'm not worried about it. The guy who you think you lost went, yeah. Pretty much went, zang.

Just to talk about Cube for a second, he's thrilling in this movie, which is, you know, for what it's worth. But the sequence, he's chasing to kill Ford, because he believes Ford killed his brother. He's shooting guns at him, chasing him, no matter what. He's driving directly against traffic all the way. And when he finally catches up to him on the bridge,

he just knocks him off his motorcycle. They've been driving for hundreds of miles on trains, through trains, jump in ravines. When they finally get to the bridge, he's like, eh. And then they get into hand to hand after all that. It's like a slight push. It was so crazy, too, because the moment

at the bridge when Ford lets go, doesn't kill Ice Cube, or saves him, and pulls him up, I was like, oh, finally, there's a story here. There's a, this is Jean Valjean and Javert. This isn't, this is something that I can. Please, someone make a musical of torque. It can happen. I really was like, oh, he let him go.

This is going to be an issue, but he still has to kill him to avenge his brother. Like, it was, the movie started for me. I gotcha. This one is written by The Mandrew. The Mandrew writes, this movie as at all, insane, completely over-the-top action scenes, which granted, occasionally leave you shaking your head.

Great bikes, a little TNA, incredible, and well-placed soundtrack, self-deprecating humor, and multiple references to old movies, and, well, other movies. I loved it. Page two. Yeah, yeah. And frankly, as a sport bike rider,

it's so stylized it will give you cavities. It features a healthy dose of all things Hollywood, and not in a bad way. I especially loved how they poked fun at Fast and Furious, and themselves, and the stunts. I just jumped my bike onto a moving train, and then absolutely rocking strains of James Addiction in the opening canyon run.

Slow mo, Perry Farrell screaming. And if you're looking for some Oscar-nominated bike movie, then pull your head out of your butt, and go rent a French film with Cantonese subtitles to fulfill your lust for all things sophisticated. Can you reread that? If you're looking for some Oscar-nominated bike movie, then pull your head out of your butt,

and go rent a French film with Cantonese subtitles to fulfill your lust for all things sophisticated. So, I mean, you can change the subtitles. Well, not, you know, not there. That person is suggesting change the subtitles from English to Cantonese so that it can be more difficult to understand from all those Oscar-nominated bike movies.

I will say this, the budget of this movie, 40 million. Opening weekend, 9 million. 200 million. 9. Domestic growth, 21 million. What year did Fast One come out? 2001. Okay.

This came out in 2004. Okay, it was the top three movies of 2004, Shrek II, Spider-Man II, Passion of the Christ. Wait, that can't be right. That can't be right. Oh, about... I would love it if someone got fucking crucified in this movie.

This movie was... And came back three days later. This movie was beaten by Van Helsing, Catwoman, Sky Captain in the World of Tomorrow, and Cellular. Three famously good movies. Yes, we're all here, though, on the show. And some of the other titles in different countries,

Australia, they called it Hard on the Limit in Estonia. Hard... I really want to unpack that. Hard on the limit? Yeah, I guess... Like, any Aussies in the house? Can anybody explain what that means? Hard on the limit?

Oh, no, sorry. I know. Sorry. In Turkey? That's what you sound like. We can't... We can't explain torque. We can't expect them to explain hard on the limit.

Well, to continue that, in Spain, it was called Rolling to the Limit. In Turkey, it was called Speed Enthusiasts. It was also called... Can you imagine if it was called that here, and we were right now going to see Speed Enthusiasts 9? And Hungary, it was called Iron. In Finland, it was called Tap, exclamation point.

And a lot of acceleration. And then this was the one I liked from Slovenia, Wild in the Saddle. Now, I told you earlier in the show, I reached out to Adam Scott. Just a second ago, he texted me. From Adam Scott, he writes in, I love torque. I remember when we were making it,

Justina Machado and I, who plays my partner, were sort of off on our own movie, and we kept on saying to each other, this is fucking ridiculous. Is this supposed to be ridiculous? And we decided it was. And then Joseph Kahn, the director, was like, hey, guys, this is fucking ridiculous.

And we were like, oh, okay, great. And then we were just saying, like, all this seems fucking ridiculous. Got it, all right. But then there were some people who seemed super serious about it, which is great. But for that big scene at the end, when everyone's there telling each other

everything they've been doing for the whole movie, I remember some of the actors doing reps with dumbbells before they called action and thinking that was a bit at first. And then thinking, well, if I had arms like that, I'd probably do that too. I don't know. I loved it. It was so much fun. Ice Cube was fucking cool.

Martin Henderson is an awesome guy. And by the way, incredible in X. Jay Hernandez and Will John Lee were fucking cool. Monet and Jamie Presley were rad. And that motorcycle battle is Everest. But if only two people ever reach the top. Matt Schultz is so good in this movie. It's insane.

And Joseph Kahn took all that money and made something truly bonkers. Viva La Torque. Yes. So right from Adam Scott. I agree. I will just... Everybody just say thank you, Adam.

And I'll send it to him. Here we go. Thank you, Adam. All right. There we go. Yeah. I'll send it to him. So there we go. That's a firsthand look there. I like that Adam and his partner played it that way because it was a relief when they popped up on screen.

They were fun every single time they were... They were great. They were great. And a little bit of a window into what the movie, I feel like, could have been. Yeah. Because I do believe... Because I've really had a blast watching this movie in a way that I genuinely was not prepared for.

I really thought it was going to be much more of a drag and I had a blast watching it so much so that I was like, oh, I wish there was more of these in the Fast and Furious style. This is better than Fast 1, 4, and 2? But we didn't have Vin Diesel. I really do think that...

That's true. And nobody that even approaches it. Like, this movie, if you'd stacked it with a cast as good as the Fast movies had, this would be the franchise. Well, I think what this movie is missing is the gravitas of Vin Diesel in the sense of like, family, family.

Like, there isn't an emotional grounding. Because he does have similar lines. He has absurd lines that fall so flat because he doesn't have that Vin touch. I agree also, and I think the Fast and Furious movies have this, and I think probably from Vin, there is an emotional familial connection between all the cast.

Absolutely. And the cars seem connected to each other emotionally as well. Doesn't have. If this movie waited two years, they could have tied it in because they all live in L.A., it could have been an extension of the Fast world. Interesting. I still think we could bring a nice cube.

What I want is... That's interesting. I want Fast 11 just announced, Louis La Terrier back in the saddle. I want Fast 11 to bring some of the torque averse into the Fast averse. It's right there for the taking the same producer. I think the one thing torque does better

than Fast and the Furious is, and I don't think they do it well here, but they do it better than Fast and the Furious. This movie's a... There's no sex in Fast and the Furious. No sexual energy period. Also, if anyone in this... Wait, what?

There's references. Are you serious? Are you sure? No, you're right. Are you saying Dom and Letty aren't in love? Everyone's too related in Fast and the Furious, because everyone's like, that's actually my cousin's wife, family.

No, you're right. You're actually my sister. Everyone's a sister more. It's much more about family in that sense. You're right. Here, there's some steaminess. I will say the kiss between Ford and Shane before he gets out of the car,

that is like an awkward level of making out. Or the kiss when they're driving and they are hardcore making out like... And he's in sixth gear, yeah. They're cutting to his feet. They're cutting to his hands. They know exactly... They're weaving in and out of traffic.

Could you... Tork... Tork, Colin, these people finger each other. That's what you get from this movie. They are a little bit... Shane cooking the movie. Super shocker, baby. The shocker.

I think we all agree that we recommend this film on some level. And, John, I want to give you a chance to talk about what anything you want to tell everybody to check out. Yeah, I have a movie podcast called Action Boys. Thank you, Jason's a listener. Yeah, these six guys are... I cannot recommend this podcast enough.

It's so good. It is fantastic. Thank you, guys. That means a lot. It's been a movie podcast for decades now. That's awesome. It's... How did we get so old?

I don't... Okay, so I saw someone... I saw someone post on my Twitter the other day, and they tagged me, which was so hurtful. And it said something like, I used to listen to how did this get made, that podcast in high school. And it took my breath away, you know?

I'm curious, did anybody here start listening in high school? Good. Yeah, good. Thank God. Yeah, those people did not finish high school and make it to LA. Only the old...

Only the old heads are here. Only the people with the, you know, like financial security to rent a torque. $2.99? No problem. I'm a child, this 40-year-old. You got it. Of course I can go to three shows at Largo in a week.

I'll call in six so I can watch the movies every day to really enjoy it. All right. Thank you, John. Listen to the podcast. It's so fun. Wait. High and mighty as well, Gabe.

High and mighty. I also have a chat show podcast that is less about movies, but yeah, that one's free and easier to get access to. So thank you, guys. Check that out. Yeah. 101 Places. 101 Places, yeah.

Thank you, guys. Shout out my plugs. I've shouted this show out a lot on this podcast, and I will do it again for you, Gabris. Gabris and Pally, the show is 101 Places to Party Before You Die. It's on TruTV, which is now on HBO Max, also known as Max.

Get on your Max. I think you can watch it in any hospital waiting room. So do yourself a favor, get a concussion, and check it out. Or if you have a peg leg and you're getting the surgery to cover up the peg leg, it's a great show. You can binge it out. Does anyone have a peg leg? We want to trick Paul into touching real quick.

I'll touch anybody's peg leg to see. I never really believed it. And now, you know, now I think I was pretty smart. I feel like you're going to get a lot of emails that is like, peg leg is not the right term. You're going to get one peg leg. That was what I was told. That was what I was told.

Anyway, thank you all for coming tonight. One of How to This Get Made. Thank you. How to This Get Made. The show may be over, but it continues next week on Last Books. That's right. We want you to join us on Last Books to tell us all the things that we might have messed up, that we might have gotten wrong,

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