Into the Impossible With Brian Keating - Are the Van Allen Belts Deadly? Debunking the Biggest Moon Landing Hoax!

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

With NASA planning to send Artemis astronauts farther into space than ever, should they be worried about the deadly effects of the Van Allen belts? Here, I describe to James Altucher what the claims are and what the real concerns should be. My response to Moon landing denial claims by Kim Kardashian, Candace Owens, and Bart Sibrel I answer all the big questions: ⇨ Why did the flag move with no wind? ⇨ Is there really no gravity on the moon? ⇨ Why haven't we gone back? ⇨ How did the astronauts survive the Van Allen radiation belts? Please join my mailing list here 👉 https://briankeating.com/yt to win a meteorite 💥 Timestamps 00:00 Moon Landing Hoax Claims 05:12 Trust, Truth, and Controversy 07:26 Apollo Astronauts' Press Conference Doubts 10:50 Joe Rogan Questions Moon Landing 15:36 Van Allen Belts and Radiation 18:43 Debunking Van Allen Belt Claims 20:01 Worst Moon Landing Hoax Argument Explained 22:57 Van Allen Belts and Spaceflight 28:42 Moon Landing Conspiracy Critique 29:28 Refuting Lies is Harder References: Joe on American Alchemy with Jesse Michels https://youtu.be/C_Na1tI5qpw?si=-K2I10rLwf_OYriL Bart SIbrel on Danny Jones https://youtu.be/58YGzlW3Koc?si=pWcZ2QecGf33owr2 Bart SIbrel and Charlie Duke on Danny Jones https://youtu.be/kMn6sI4X66s?si=X3v8Eng3lT3BYwDT Bart's confrontations with NASA astronauts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronauts_Gone_Wild Fauci-Collins "devastating published take down" of "fringe epidemiologist" Jay Bhattacharya https://aier.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/FirstCollinsEmail.pdf - Join this channel to get access to perks like monthly Office Hours: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmXH_moPhfkqCk6S3b9RWuw/join 📚 Get my books: Think Like a Nobel Prize Winner, with productivity tips from 9 Nobel Prize winners: https://a.co/d/03ezQFu Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner, with life-changing interviews with 9 Nobel Prizewinners: https://a.co/d/hi50U9U My tell-all cosmic memoir Losing the Nobel Prize: http://amzn.to/2sa5UpA The first-ever audiobook from Galileo: Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems: Ptolemaic and Copernican https://a.co/d/iZPi9Un Follow me to ask questions of my guests: 🏄‍♂️ Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrBrianKeating 🔔 Subscribe https://www.youtube.com/DrBrianKeating?sub_confirmation=1 📝 Join my mailing list; just click here http://briankeating.com/list ✍️ Detailed Blog posts here: https://briankeating.com/blog 🎙️ Listen on audio-only platforms: https://briankeating.com/podcast Video & Edited by Sheikh Media Website: sheikh.media LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ahmadisapro/ This video contains commentary and criticism under Fair Use (17 U.S.C. §107). All third-party clips, articles, and documents are used for educational and critical purposes. Please contact for attribution. #universe #podcast #briankeating #intotheimpossible #science #astronomy #cosmology #cosmicmicrowavebackground #intotheimpossible #briankeating Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. You know, recently came up that Joe Rogan was on my friend Jesse Michael's podcast. Wait, Joe Rogan was on Jesse Michael. And it sounds insane that people could live for 30,000. I've been on his podcast and keeping them on my podcast a bunch of times. We know him very well. I didn't know Joe Rogan was on Jesse's podcast. Yeah, he almost never goes.

I mean, I've only seen him on Lex Friedman's podcast. Jesse built this huge set. It looks like the inside of a kid's bedroom on a spaceship with buttons and knobs and dials. And it looks like they're flying on a spaceship. Joe is the guest. Jesse was interviewed him. It's gotten a million plus views in just the past four or five days. But this, you know, it's kind of the last straw of Joe Rogan going all in.

The moon landing was fake with most of the episodes about this disclosure, that aliens, are real vague and weird and kind of, you know, opaque. It was vivid. It was very strange. And there was these very slender, tall, human-like things that were talking to me. They weren't gray. They were kind of like pinkish like us. They were, you know, like Caucasian-looking creatures.

And, you know, the issue is that you like to see your friends do well, but then they have big platforms and they get lots of attention, they get big guest, and then they kind of spread this nonsense that comes from people like Bart Zibrell. I mean, if you look them up on Wikipedia, as entry is, you know, is conspiracy theorist. That's what he's known for. And so I thought, you know, the best way to kind of take on these guys,

and by the way, he went on Joe Rogan before I did. It's fake. So this thing's kind of just waving on its own. No one's even touching it. And it looks like he's waving in a breeze. It's so it stops moving and then it starts moving again. Now, again, there's one six- It shows it even more so than that.

An astronaut walking past it, creating the breeze and then the flag blows without him touching it. Yeah, I'd like to see that. So how much further is this go, Jamie? Four minute video, three-minute video. So scoot ahead. I think this is actually the one. And then when I went on it, you know, I talked a lot about the moon and so forth. But then apparently, you know, there was another event.

Forget exactly what it was, but maybe Bart went on again. And he was talking all those nonsense that I just wrote to Joe Rogan that I'd like to debate this guy, Bart, because I think he's a discredits, NASA, America, you know, and just just completely false. And his allegations are so simplistic and easy to refute that it would be great to have a debate. So Joe asked Bart, apparently, to debate me. And Bart said, no, he doesn't want to debate me because he claimed that I, as a scientist, and not an astronaut, are really victims of NASA's perpetrating this hoax. So he said this on Danny Jones's podcast about me and just made all these blunders and fact and math and all sorts of physics errors and just logical errors. And so I've made a couple videos about him just because he is this, as I said,

The super spreader who not only kind of discredits NASA, but as I said, you know, I'm a very patriotic person. And to discredit the greatest accomplishment of humankind, which includes America, it's a pretty big deal, especially since I've worked for NASA in different capacities, including capacities that benefit people like Bard and you and anybody who's ever gotten on a plane. NASA didn't just send people to the moon and launch the Hubble space telescope. They work on aeronautics, so it has to do with aviation safety, research into climate, and the hurricanes, they do a tremendous amount of research, as well as scientific research. But even the astronomical can be outweighed

by their contributions to the safety of every human being has ever gone on a plane in America. And so that's really kind of the disrespect that I see towards America, towards NASA, that he cultivate, and then Joe just sucks it up because it gets attention to Joe. And then this guy won't debate me on Joe Rogan's podcast. He just debated on this guy, Danny

Jones's podcast, a real astronaut who walked on the moon named Charlie Duke. Sorry. You're slowing you down. Okay. So the total distance of the moon is about 3,000 miles an hour seven times 70. That's 210,000 miles. Okay. Okay.

So when you go through the Van Allen belts, you're going so fast. It's just, you're through. How fast are you traveling when you guys were going through the Van Allen belts? Uh, escape velocity. about, I thought you said it was 3,000 miles and hour. Let him talk. He said he was at 3,000 when they were halfway. So he did confront him, but unfortunately, Charlie Duke is 90 years old.

He's never been on a podcast. He didn't know, like, basic. So it just made a little bit, put more questions that gave people more, you know, belief in this guy, barred's conspiracy nonsense. So I came to the, you know, to the place of record to set it straight. And I'll release this on my channel. Maybe I'll put in some more of the mathematics of it. And I think the best way to do that is actually go through Joe Rogan's podcast,

with Jesse Michaels because they're bringing up what they think is the strongest evidence that Bart has presented to them. So, you know, Joe does, I say he's never been afraid of a little hard work. So he'll do some research. But in general, he's just believed whatever is most controversial. And he'll tend to not believe because COVID, you know, because Fauci and Collins lied to the American public, you know, in many ways and tried to discredit people like my good friend Jay Batacharya, who I met at this Peter Thiel conference, who's now the director of the National

Institutes of Health. Is Dr. Jay Batacharya, who is a professor of medicine, economics, and health research policy at Stanford University and the director of Stanford's Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. You really couldn't design better, Jay, if they had like a lab where they could design things for gain of function purposes. because he tried to destroy him personally and professionally, and that we can never trust any scientist again,

and because people like Eric Weinstein and others, and Jesse argue that, oh, physics has stagnated and string theory is strangled physics, now it's like you can't trust science whatsoever. So I'd like to go through what Joe claims are these incredibly this positive facts about the moon landings that prove that they're not real, if you don't mind. Yeah, let's do it.

And by the way, part of this was inspired by Candace Owens, who went all in on Bart's theories and, you know. Here's my bone to pick with Matt Walsh. We have a long running beef on the topic of NASA and moon landings because he thinks they happened. And listen, when the guys did it, it was, it was fake and gay. I'm sorry, Matt. I've seen a few videos on Buzz Aldrin talking about how it didn't happen. He says it all the time now.

Kim Kardashian. So the reason I made the most recent video I made was, you know, inviting Kim Kardashian to talk and to, you know, to educate her. You know, she lives here in California, not far from San Diego. I'm sure we could have a nice conversation about it. But she, you know, she didn't respond. I don't think, you know, again, she really cares.

I'll all raise you. Well, we'll get it down. But she actually had, you know, the NASA administrator, the acting NASA administrator, did respond to her and, you know, got a lot of attention. I thought that was good. But anyway, the first thing that's kind of, you know, a strike against the logical or reasoning skills that Jesse and Joe kind of go into is, you know, they talk about the press conference, that the Apollo astronauts, you know, Aldrin, Armstrong,

and Collins had afterwards, you know, several days after landing, they're inside this trailer, this bioprotective zone, and Joe's saying that they look suspicious. So that's like the first thing that they bring up. This press conferences are like completely tired. They've come back. Nobody disputes, even Bart doesn't dispute that they were somewhere off the planet Earth. Like, Bart believes that, for example,

the astronauts left the Earth's stuff. surface. He just doesn't believe they got anywhere near the moon. I'll explain his slam-dunk evidence, which is anything but in just a minute that he claims is the reason that they could not possibly do it. But the first piece of evidence is suggesting in no way that they didn't at least go into space. Do you understand, like, no one's disputing even Bart that they left the Earth's surface, okay? So for instance, you know, John Glenn, he thinks, orbited the Earth. Yes. It's peak pollination season, and my business is scaling fast. To keep the nectar flowing, I need a phone plan with top priority data speeds.

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And he believes that the NASA, the Apollo 11, Armstrong, Neil Armstrong, orbited the Earth. And they were gone for a week because it took, you know, it takes about two and a half three days to get to the moon, two and a half three days to get back. And they were on the surface of the moon for like two or three hours. So it was almost a week or about a full week, you know, July 20th, 1969. very famously. And so nobody disputes that they were in orbit. I claim there's abundant evidence

they went. They went on the moon. They traveled back and forth. There's no doubt in my mind that that actually occurred. But let's just give them the benefit of the doubt, Joe Rogan, that they actually didn't go. And the proof is they looked tired. They were speaking in sort of a script or something like that. But he wouldn't dispute the fact even Joe Rogan that they were in orbit. Like, in other I don't care where you were. You've seen the capsules. It's smaller than this, you know, like two or three times the size of this office chair that I'm sitting on. So nobody could dispute that somebody would have the right to be three people crammed into a tiny little capsule for three to seven days,

that they would be completely shy, introverted, you know, maybe disgruntled. They were also quarantined for, I think it was close to three weeks because they didn't know if they'd have some moon germs. Again, why would you quarantine people if they were just in low Earth? orbit and why would you do it for three weeks? Maybe you do it for a day, but somebody had to tell NASA, according to them, that they had to quarantine them for three weeks or else nobody would believe the ruse that they didn't land on the moon, that it was all fate. Yeah, that was my first instinct is that, of course, you quarantine because that makes more credibility that, oh, why would you quarantine if they weren't on the moon?

Yeah, but why for three weeks? Why not for a day or two days? Like, no, it's, oh, you only quarantine for 48 hours, not 32 hours, so that means that, you know, not 72 hours. So that means, that you didn't go. It's total, that to me is complete, bogus, you know, reasoning. They were quarantined. They were in space. And so saying their character, the way that they acted, was not really, can't be used to prove as, I mean, it was the first kind of piece of evidence that Joe talks about, like, oh, look how suspicious it was. They look like they're hiding something. Okay. So that's like Joe Rogan, amateur psychologist, is like now assessing the veracity of, you know, $100 billion project, you know, in today's dollars. I think it's very hard.

hard for Joe Rogan to read the vibes of this person and do this meta-analysis of the psychology of astronauts, you know, who certainly went into space, even I think Joe would admit that. But, you know, when you compare anybody who comes back from space, even the most recent NASA astronauts that SpaceX rescued last year, I mean, they weren't like going to a rave after they landed. And so there's just this, like, the mode that I think they're trying to operate in is let's so doubt in the moon landing. For what reason I don't know, except, you know, Joe takes on this countercultural anti-authoritarian, you know, he's a comedian.

You know, his job is to satire and poke fun at institutions, but also hold them accountable. Like he's, you know, he is the most dominant force in media. I mean, he gets a lot more attention than CNN and, you know, he's the number one podcast in the world. So he is, you know, playing a role in journalism. He has interviewed, you know, the president of the United States and offered to interview the vice president of the former administration. So anyway, he has this huge role.

Yeah, I've been on a show. Yeah. And let me ask, like, in terms of this, In terms of their evidence, they're saying, are you presenting it? I haven't seen Joe's conversation with Bart. I feel like you're presenting it. There must be something else because that does seem like very weak evidence. So this is not, I can skip ahead to just like the main thrust of what Bart, Cibral,

argues is the reason. I'll do that in one second. But what I'm doing now is assessing Joe Rogan's most recent appearance on Jesse Michael's podcast. clearly, this can't be the only planet that has life on it. Like, that doesn't even make any sense. And then, you know, going to school and you learn out how many hundreds of billions of galaxies there are, you're like, whoa, okay. And how many hundreds of billions of stars there are on those galaxy and how many planets there must be? Like, for sure.

So I, it's almost irrelevant with Bart things because Joe will just parrot the, you know, pick and choose what Bart said that fits his narrative and try to confirm it. You know, to give him credit, he did try to arrange this. debate with me and Bart on his show. I'm really not interested in debating anybody. I would do it as a favor to him and Lex Friedman asked me to do it and I agreed to do it with him. But that to me is like debating if the sky is blue. The sky is blue. We don't need to debate it. Plus these people he's putting up or Lex would put up, they're the victims. Well, not the perpetrators. And Bart refused. Bart was too scared to debate me. He made up some pretext that I'm a victim of NASA's brain. which is preposterous.

I have many different pieces of evidence against it. So let me just say the main piece of evidence that Bart claims is the reason that they didn't go, which is completely illogical, and I think you'll understand why it's illogical. He claims that there's something called the Van Allen radiation builds. And this is what everybody says, from Kim Kardashian to Candace Islands.

She called it like the firmament. You're like somebody who's like, it had to have happened, the moon landing. What you can do is look up, I'm calling this the firmament, but it's the, what is the belt? She's just such a knucklehead. But anyway, let's get back to it. So it's called the Van Allen Radiation Belt.

It's not the asteroid belt, as Candace has said or whatever. It's a region of somewhat moderate to low intensity radiation that is surrounding the Earth, and it's organized primarily in bands that are more concentrated, like where, You've seen maybe the Arwara Borealis, you've seen the Northern Lights. These are phenomena that result from the interaction of charged particles from the sun, the solar wind and space, other sources of space radiation that are charged particles. So this is where the physics starts to come in. A charged particle like an electron or a proton or an alpha particle, a helium nucleus,

moving in a magnetic field will experience a force called the Lorenz force. Bart couldn't do these calculations to save his life, but we do these all the time. They're incredibly important in physics. There's aspects of them that can be treated using quantum mechanics and relativity that I, again, no way Bart has ever looked into this. He's looking at, and they were discovered by this, NASA-funded, this is important, a NASA-funded research study in the 1950s by a scientist named Van Allen. His last name was Van Allen.

And so he discovered, so NASA discovered this book, let's assume it's potentially dangerous. I mean, they do, and it has some slight amount of danger associated with it, as all things do when you're off the surface of the Earth. The question is, could this prevent them from going to the moon? So, Bart assumes that this is this lethal layer of space radiation, which will essentially, according to him, instantaneously kill human beings if they're exposed to it, which is complete nonsense. Even people at Hiroshima, exposed to massive, you know, much more thousands of times the lethal dose, didn't die instantly unless they were in the actual blast zone. A few kilometers away from the actual blast zone, they lived for hours, and it was probably agonizing, but nobody dies instantly. Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the Home Depot.

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He just assumes that it's this solid layer like a lead shield, but it's full. of uranium, and if you touch it, you'll die. You'll fry, your old DNA will be destroyed, and you'll die in stuff. And so why does he say that? Like, maybe this is even a step back. Like, why is he doing this? Is it just for media attention? He hates NASA.

No, he hates NASA. He apparently says that he was a true believer and an evangelist for NASA. I don't know when, because the only time he's ever been in the public eye was, like, got punched out by Buzz Aldrin and would go to, like, astronauts' homes and scream at them and their widows and do like he's never, I can't find any footage of him, maybe it exists, but I haven't personally been able to find any footage of him, you know, earnestly trumpeting, say before and then afterwards when he becomes an apostate and an enemy of Ness. I've never seen any evidence of him in the before times when he was an evangelist.

I've only seen where he's an apostate, where he hates NASA. I mean, what's his background? Why does he... He's a filmmaker. So he's a filmmaker, but because of this, though. Like, he makes films about this. Yeah, I mean, we can look at it. Yeah, we could look up what else he did. I mean, I think he's relevant, you know, what he did before that. I mean, he makes a lot of, yeah, he appears on podcast.

He gets a lot of attention. He's done some documentaries. But he's kind of a gadfly. You know, he likes to, he likes to poke at NASA. And again, I'm still open, willing. I treat him respectfully if he came on my show or if he came on Joe Rogan's show or Lex Friedman. Also, Lex Friedman, I think, asked. him to go on his podcast and debate me.

And he just, for some reason, he doesn't want to. His main piece of, he's got a couple pieces of main evidence, and some of that Joe Rogan will parrot back, but most of it is reliant on what he claims is the physical and biophysical limitations to human traversing the distance between the moon and the Earth. And what's his evidence that the Van Allen radiation belt would be so radioactive that it would kill, you know,

Rockets go to the moon and any rockets go into space have the heat shield so they can come back in. They're to some extent impervious to a high amount of radiation, as we know. So what's evidence that this radiation belt is so intense that it would kill anybody crossing through it? So his argument is that these papers from NASA, he finds like one paper, which he claims from NASA, that speaks about the level of radiation. But he's a selective synthesis. He's only reading to get the aspects that he claims are, complete slam dunks that you couldn't even set one inch into these Van Allen radiation belts.

And in reality, you know, when you think about the atmosphere, James, it's not like a solid layer of constant density, just our Earth's atmosphere, okay? It has an exponential decay. The amount of oxygen here at the surface of the Earth in Florida and San Diego and Atlanta is essentially twice as much oxygen, as I feel when I go to 18,000 feet in Chile to go to the Simon's Observatory, that level of atmospheric pressure is about, the atmosphere, that's why we wear oxygen. So, but if you go between 18,000 feet and 36,000 feet,

it goes basically to zero. Even though you've doubled it, it doesn't go linearly, it goes exponentially declines, but it never goes to zero. There's no such thing as like zero atmosphere. There's particles of the Earth's atmosphere that extend tens of thousands of miles into space. And certainly things like the Earth's magnetic field extend into space, but they typically have either a one over R squared falloff or they have an exponentially decaying fallout.

So too do these radiation belt. They truly exist. Anyone who's ever seen Aurora, they know that they exist. Now, what he'll claim is that there's a temperature of these things and that they would fry and melt aluminum, which the spaceships are made of. And then to defeat that,

you'd have to make the spaceships so heavy that it could never get off the launch pad. And the proof there is that we haven't gone back to the moon. He said everything's gotten easier since the 1960s. Computers have gotten smaller. Cars have gotten faster. better. Everything's gone easier since the 1960s. So the proof that we haven't gone back is proof that we never went in the first place because things get easier over time, right? James, it's certainly logical.

If we couldn't go now, and he claims people like Elon Musk say we can't go now, but for some reason, Elon's building a spacecraft to go to Mars. So apparently he thinks he's smarter than Elon Musk, as does Candace Owens, which is completely. Let's deal with this point, though. That's fine. I think it is so insane to not believe the moon landing. happened, I'm, you know, I don't think it's insane. I don't think he's insane. No, I'm not saying insane, but I think the idea that I almost question his motives. That's what I'm saying, is that I don't think his motives are clear. He elects attention. He gets a lot of attention from the most famous podcast and media outlet in the world. So he gets that. He goes on. He gets to confront

people. I think he feels like he's suffering from the Stockholm syndrome or so like he loved NASA so much. He was an evangelist. Again, I haven't found it. Maybe it exists. Maybe Park consented to me, somebody consented to me. But I haven't found any pro-NASA from the before times and then anti-NASA. So the Van Allen radiation belts, he claims, because of that, there was no way to go in the 1950s. NASA knew it, and so they would never put their astronauts in danger. But he's also saying that NASA lies all the time is a corrupt and malevolent organization because we haven't gone back, which is true.

We have not gone back since 1973. We went in space many, many other times. We lived in space for hundreds. You know, I've talked to Chris Hanfield. He lived on the space station for six months. People stay in space all the time. And the amount of time that you go through the radiation belt to get to the moon, assuming it was,

even if it was a constant thickness, and it was the most high dose you could possibly go through, you would still be totally fine. You would be like getting 100 chest x-rays in a year, which is not great. You wouldn't, but there's no way you would die the next day. Do you think you'd be able to go to your... I mean, my dentist is the medical tech doesn't have a bachelor's degree,

and she finds out. fires up the x-ray machine at my skull. Do you think they would allow her to do that if there was a one in a hundred chance that I might die from that? Of course not. But okay, so you're saying this because you know what the Van Allen radiated. I'm saying, assuming the worst case of the Man Allen belt, which is in no way NASA new, it's much more dense at the poles. That's why it's called the Aurora Borealis because Boreal means north, north pole. That's why you see these auroras much more near the North Pole.

That's where the concentration of the Van Allen belt, the Earth's magnetic field is much stronger there. the auroras are much brighter. NASA knew that. That's why they launched from Florida. And they go out near the equator where the Van Allen belts are the most diffuse and the weakest, and they at most, would spend less than an hour,

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Bart says that the proof is this Van Allen belt. The guy Van Allen says that Bart's wrong. The fact that Elon is planning to go to Mars, which you certainly have to go through there, that NASA's launched many spacecrafts through. By the way, as you said before, the spacecraft have to go up and come down. So even if it was unoccupied, right?

And they send something around the moon. I mean, we've taken pictures. Chinese have taken pictures of the Apollo landing sites. The Indians have taken pictures of it. No one would have been happier to prove that we didn't go than the Soviets. They never once did it. They had their own Soviet space program that impacted the moon the same day as the Apollo 11. Can you imagine, like, our arch enemies, that they would say, yeah, we would agree, instead

of exposing us as total frauds during the height of the space race that almost bankrupted that country, that they wouldn't, like, expose the fact that there's no evidence for people being on the moon. So even if it was empty, let's say they sent three dummies and they had animatronic robots and they had remote control. The spacecraft, the computer chips on the spacecraft, they could not survive this according to Bart. In other words, if it's instantaneously deadly to a human being, it's instantaneously deadly to a tiny little fragile microchip. And that's like one of, that's his biggest piece of evidence is that it's so deadly, we couldn't go there in the first place. The second piece of evidence, we haven't gone back. So none of the other.

that's scientifically valid, right? The fact that we haven't gone back doesn't mean that we didn't go in the first place. The way I prove that, just on a logical basis, the first person to ever go to the South Pole, where I've been twice, was named Roald Eminson. He was Norwegian. So he arrived in 1911, December 1911. When the next Norwegian to get to the South Pole was, James, it was in 1996. Imagine Bart in 1995, saying, oh, we never went to the South Pole, was, James. It was in 1996. Imagine Bart in 1995 saying, oh, we never went to the South Pole because we haven't gone back in 80 years. It's so ridiculous, but that's the same type of logic. So if you believe that, you would have to say that because we didn't go for 80 years, then we never went in the first place.

It's completely a rational, illogical argument, and that's one of his best pieces of evidence. And he has other pieces of evidence. So there's the psychological thing that Joe Rogan brought up. They looked like they were lying or they weren't being truthful or something like that, the Apollo astronauts. And despite all this, they maintained this ruse and this conspiracy. Again, the conspiracy number is extremely high. There was something like hundreds of thousands of people involved in this project.

They would all have to keep it secret. And the other countries, including our enemies in China and in Russia, they don't dispute that we went there. So those are the psychological objections and refutations of these claims. but they make many, many other ones, and they're just, like, a lot of them are just laughable. One of the things Bart says is that the pictures that they took on the moon were, like, impossible. A lot of people like Kim Kardashian and Candace Owen say,

look at the flag on the moon. The flag was, looked like it was waving in the breeze. And this is like one of the dumbest things you could possibly say as an objection. Like, if I was playing Devil's Advocate, those aren't any of the things that I would say to refute the moon landing. I mean, there's a lot other things,

but they're all circumstantial because it actually occurred. Yeah, so, okay, so why does she say this thing about the flag waving? The flag, if you look at the moon, it has a flag on it. If you're watching, it's like a pole and then there, so what they did, they know the moon's gravity is not zero. Of course, it's not. It's one sixth of the Earth's gravity.

So it would not stay erect like this. So NASA knew that and knew it had no wind in it, but imagine a flag picture that just looks like, you know, like here's, here's the flag, you know, some country that's pure black. Imagine like this. So there's just a piece of cloth I'm holding attached to the this flagpole. They knew that would look horrible. And of course, they wanted to show American exceptionalism. So they put wires and rods in it to make it permanently stand like this. And actually, some of the spacecraft, you can almost see the shadow of it. But so they had these wires and structures

in it that held it out rigidly to make it look like it was being blown in the breed. But you think NASA could launch a rocket, get it to the moon, and then not know that there's one-sixth of gravity and no atmospheric support for a flag? What was the argument? I've heard that. I've heard that this argument, which is, and it's ridiculous, but I'm going to hear your reason. Who took the pictures? So they had a tremendous amount of remote-controlled cameras up there. These are, like, calculations that a freshman in high school could do if they were smart enough to know exactly what the trajectory is going to be to set up a camera on a single-axis mount

that's remote-controlled. I mean, we had spy play the SR-71. We had all these incredible, you know, remote-controlled. Like, when the planes would fly over Vietnam, it again, exactly the same time. There wasn't like a guy with a camera watch, you know, taking pictures. So this is like complete idiocy to think that we don't have remote-controlled cameras that are controlled electronically and can be controlled from either the capsule itself or from Houston itself. Because there's only a second and a half delay. It's more or less in real time. That's a

completely trivial thing. There was no photographer there to watch it. It was not necessary. The technology existed. But they think it was actually, all of it was filmed and everything was filmed on a sound stage in Burbank. And somehow they maintained that conspiracy, even though Kubrick never would have admitted to that. Nobody has come forward to say that. That's their theory is that, well, they had to have a backup in case the astronauts died. And the astronauts didn't die, but then they just used the backup footage. So a lot of Joe's criticism is about like a couple pieces of NASA PR footage that were put out and, you know, spliced in and other things that are, again, it may prove that they were clumsy in terms of social media. Sorry, they don't have, you know, I don't believe

that any of these things are, you know, to a credible person who's actually going to look at the data to say that this is like proof that the one of the greatest, again, I'll say the greatest accomplishment of humankind that it didn't happen. And why does Joe want to believe it? It's very, very, you know, concerning that this is getting so much attention. And of course, it's a hundred times harder to refute bullshit than to prove, you know, to just assert it, right? Relax and let Ralph's delivery handle your grocery shopping this week. We start with only the freshest items, then review your list and carefully choose each one. Then we pack it all up and deliver it in as little as 30 minutes, so you can feel confident it's what you ordered.

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