Into the Impossible With Brian Keating - Was The Moon Landing A HOAX? (ft. Kim Kardashian, Candace Owens, & Bart Sibrel)

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Viewer discretion is advised. Some content in this video may contain opinions or speculation or criticism that's not suitable for all audiences. Don't say I didn't warn you. Today we're going to take a deep dive into the science behind the moon landing, providing a thorough debunking, not only of Candace Owens and Bart Cibro, but also pushing back on the attacks from famed attorney Kim Kardashian Esquire. For the record, do you think that we didn't walk on the moon? I don't think we did. I think it was fake.
Starting point is 00:01:31 But here's my bone to pick with Matt Walsh. We have a long running beef on the topic of NASA and moon landings because he thinks they happened. And listen, when the guys did it, it was fake and gay. I'm sorry, Matt. I've seen a few videos on Buzz Aldrin talking about how it didn't happen. He says it all the time now in interviews. And it's time for you admit it.
Starting point is 00:01:51 It was just as bad. You just want to live for it, okay? Homies were on the moon making phone calls before the time of cell phones like, hey, what What's up, Prez? Me, on the moon with the flag. No issues. First time we've ever flown this thing. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:02:06 We just got through the belt pretty easily. What you're about to witness, people who have confused YouTube with actual physics. We're going to obliterate every single claim they make. And by the end of this video, you'll understand exactly why real scientists don't take these conspiracy theorists seriously. If you're like somebody who's like, it had to have happened, the moon landing, what you can do is look up. I'm calling this the firmament. This is going to be a lot of fun. Candice made some dramatic errors
Starting point is 00:02:36 and show her limited understanding not only of the Apollo landings, but of the entire history of science itself. I see them faking being halfway to the moon. If I can go from being the biggest fan to the biggest critic, it's not something I say lightly. It means they didn't go to the moon.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Technological milestone couldn't be replicated 50 years later when it should be a thousand times greater. We have an eyewitness who can, confess to a homicide, how much more proof do you need? Before I begin this systematic destruction, let me establish something important. I'm not going to be polite to these two people. When people like Bart and Candace spread scientific misinformation to literally millions of people, politeness becomes complicity.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Candice Owens has over 10 million followers on social media alone. When she spouts physics nonsense with the self-confidence of someone who can barely get through good night moon, she shows her dangerous misunderstandings of things ranging from the Apollo landings to thermodynamics. It's dangerous. And Bart has been peddling this nonsense for decades, convincing people with huge platforms like Joe Rogan that one of humanities and America's greatest achievements was a fate, a fraud. For what reason? Well, listen to Candace's reason. There's something that you've accidentally landed upon that they don't really want to be exposed. It feels strange. It feels wrong. When you look further in the history, they just keep lying and
Starting point is 00:04:13 getting away with it. What I said was that science has become a pagan faith. Yes, that's what I actually believe. And I said, if I don't get it from the Bible and I can't observe it with my own eyes, I don't stand it as the truth. Let's buckle up because we're going to perform a physics autopsy. Just the facts on one of the most spectacular scientific pieces of ignorance I've ever encountered. And I've seen a lot as a professor for over 21 years. And trust me, this is going to hurt them a lot more than it hurts us. Let's start with one of Candace's recent appearances, which begins with her literally calling the Van Allen belts the firmament before catching yourself. What you can do is look up. I'm calling this the firmament, but it's the, what is the
Starting point is 00:05:01 belt, 200 miles out, you hit the Asteroid Belt? No. The Van Allen Belt. Okay, so maybe Candace is guilty of loving the Bible too much. But she just accidentally revealed where her cosmology actually comes from. For those who don't know, the firmament is the biblical term for the solid dome that flat Earthers believe separates Earth from heaven. Now, this may have been a Freudian slip of the tongue, but her brain defaulted to her pseudoscientific terminology before remembering she was supposed to sound all proper and scientific. This portion hinges on the fact that she supposedly has discovered, thanks to Bart, presumably,
Starting point is 00:05:37 that NASA overlooked the fatal exposure that astronauts would receive from the Van Allen belts. She confidently claims the Van Allen belt start at 200 miles. Sorry, Candice. The inner Van Allen belt actually begins at around 400 miles up and extends to the outer belt about 8 to 36,000 miles in altitude. But why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory? She's off to a great start, off by only a factor of two and one of the most basic parameters she claims is the fatal flaw on NASA's claims of a moon. landing. Yet she's confident enough to lecture NASA engineers and even people like Elon Musk about radiation physics. It only gets worse from there. Candace now ventures into territory where fools
Starting point is 00:06:22 should fare to tread. She says the Van Allen belts can reach up to 3,000 to 30,000 Kelvin so that any spacecraft would melt. She says, look up what these spacecraft are made of. It's just aluminum. That's true, Candace, if the Van Allen belts were in. a thermal bath that was capable with sufficient heat capacity to heat up any object within it to 30,000 Kelvin, of course that wouldn't exist. But the electrons in this plasma globe are actually heated to a temperature of 10,000 Kelvin. Shouldn't that be melting the glass? And it's true.
Starting point is 00:06:56 The individual electrons have a lot of kinetic energy. But plasma physics is just one of the many subjects that Candace is completely ignorant about. It's not the temperature of individual electrons or even the electrons in salt. It's about their ability to impart thermal agitation to materials within it. So in this case, there's gas inside the plasma globe as well, but it's not getting heated up to more than room temperature. How is that possible? It should be melting it, right? Well, according to the Owens theory of physics, it should. But Candace, I have to tell you, temperature in a plasma refers to the average kinetic energy of individual charged particles,
Starting point is 00:07:31 not of the ability to transfer thermal energy to macroscopic objects. The particle density in the Van Allen belts is extremely low, maybe a few particles per cubic centimeter. Even if those particles are individually hot, there aren't nearly enough of them to impart any meaningful heat to a spacecraft. And Candace, you don't dispute the fact that humans are in space right now, do you? Because if you do, you're truly an ignorant fool. But if you don't, you must realize that these astronauts are exposed to plasma in the form of the auroras, which could also reach tens of thousands of Kelvin. How come they don't melt, Candace? Is there something special about the Van Allen belts? It's like claiming you'll get burned by standing in a room
Starting point is 00:08:08 with three really fast-moving BBs. The BBs have high kinetic energy, but they can't heat up your entire body. Let me make this so simple that not even a political commentator or grifty conspiracy theorist can understand it. Your kitchen oven at 500 Kelvin, about 450 degrees, will absolutely roast you. But a 10,000 Kelvin plasma in near vacuum conditions, in a plasma globe, in the Aurora, and in the Van Allen belt won't even measurably warm a piece of toast. And just like your arguments are toasted, heat transfer depends on how many particles can actually hit the surface and transfer their energy. In space, there's essentially nothing there.
Starting point is 00:08:47 This is basic high school physics. The fact that you've confused particle kinetic energy with bulk thermal heating to mix up with a scientific sounding jargon of the melting point of aluminum disprove the existence of the Apollo missions is ridiculous. And again, the Apollo spacecraft weren't just an aluminum can sitting naked in space, like a beer can. They use multi-layer insulation, phenoloic resins, stainless steel, miler, and capton foils, a sophisticated thermal protection system. They had to worry more about cold in some cases than they did about heat. Second, even if they were pure aluminum, the thermal flux from sparse plasma and Van Allen belts,
Starting point is 00:09:21 just like in their aurora not melting them International Space Station, they don't generate nearly enough heat needed for the phase transition from solid to liquid. Heat transfer is flux times time, not just big number temperature. Scary. The astronauts were exposed to a mere 0.18 to 1.14 rads per trip. That's less than you get in a chest x-ray, Candace. You get more radiation flying coast to coast on a commercial airline. Now let's destroy Candace's claim that Apollo spent 59 to 90 minutes in the Van Allen belts. This is either a deliberate deception or inexcusable ignorance.
Starting point is 00:09:59 actual Apollo trajectories were specifically designed to minimize radiation exposure. They spent less than 30 minutes traversing the belts. They went at the weakest parts. They avoided the densest regions entirely. You've inflated the exposure time by a factor of two or three. This isn't a rounding error. This is an absolute fabrication. And it matters. Science matters, Candace, because radiation exposure is cumulative. Double the time, double the dose. So at worst, they might have gotten the equivalent of three chest x-rays. But let's not exaggerate it. It's nowhere near fatal, and it's not a fatal impediment to getting to Mars or getting back to the moon. So what Candace doesn't understand because she apparently skipped most every physics class available
Starting point is 00:10:37 is that orbital mechanics allow you to choose your path through space. NASA didn't just dream up the Apollo mission straight through the densest region of the Van Allen belts. But even if they did, it likely wouldn't have been fatal. It might have caused excess genetic damage, but it wouldn't have been fatal, certainly, as Candice claims. And certainly not insurmountable back in the 1960s. let alone now. NASA scientists calculated precise launch windows, orbital inclinations, and transfer trajectories to minimize radiation exposure while still reaching the moon. This is called engineering, Candace. It's what competent people do when they want to solve
Starting point is 00:11:12 problems instead of just complaining about them for a political agenda. Now let's talk about Candace's claim that NASA said astronauts would need cement shielding to survive the man Allen belts. This is one of the more dishonest misrepresentations of her entire rant. What I think she's referring to as NASA's 2005 research into deep space, long-duration shielding concepts for potential Mars missions. These looked at studies for months-long interplanetary voyages, not 30-minute belt transits. For missions lasting 6 to 18 months of deep space, engineers considered all kinds of exotic shielding options, water tanks, regolith barriers, polyethylene layers, yes, even concrete concepts.
Starting point is 00:11:49 But that's for months of exposure, not for the mere minutes that were required to go to the moon. Apollo only requires short-term shielding for brief radiation exposure. The spacecraft's aluminum hull plus the mission duration management and trajectory management was perfectly adequate. This is like saying you need a hazmat suit to walk past a microwave oven because nuclear workers wear protective gear. The fact that Candace can't distinguish between short duration and long-term radiation exposure requirements shows she's either cherry-picking or has no business discussing space medicine or radiation protection. Now, this is all meant to discredit the NASA astronaut's courage,
Starting point is 00:12:23 in what was one of the worlds and certainly America's proudest moments. I thought Candace was America first. But here, she believes that no one's been back historical America. Now for a personal bit of stupidity. We've never gone beyond the belt. Excuse me? Every single Apollo mission from 1968 to 1972 went beyond the Van Allen belts. You know what else went beyond the Van Allen belts?
Starting point is 00:12:46 Every single Soviet mission, Indian missions, Chinese missions, while they didn't have on them astronauts, They had sensitive equipment, which you also claimed Candace and Bart cannot survive the Van Allen belts. How do you explain that? You don't deny that the Russians sent spacecraft to the moon, do you? Maybe you do. What would explain the fact that the Russians archived the fact that the Apollo landing missions were a success? They were our enemies at the time.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Nothing would have given them greater thrill than to prove the moon landings didn't happen and actually were recorded by Stanley Kubrick in the sound studio because he had access to special cameras. We'll get to that later. But we have the radiation measurements. We know about the film badges that were recorded, the medical records, the post-flight examinations. Why are you trying to take away from the greatest accomplishment of humankind? What would make you want to do that? Especially when it occurs to an America first, right?
Starting point is 00:13:36 The astronauts didn't die of radiation sickness. They all lived long, healthy lives well past their moon excursions through the Van Allen belts. The reason humans haven't gone back to the moon isn't because it's impossible. It's because there's been no political will or final. for it. We stopped going to the moon for the same reason. We stopped going to Antarctica after it was landed upon in 1911 and 1912 for over 40 years. Was that a conspiracy too? Have we never been to the South Pole? I've been there, Candace. You should go sometime. You can see your beautiful auroras. There are over 10,000 Kelvin, I hear.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Now high altitude satellites, interplanetary probes, and robotic spacecraft traverse the Van Allen belts routinely. The Voyager probes launched in 1977 are still functioning after passing through the belts and traveling for 45 plus years through deep space. How is that even possible? But Candace thinks the Van Allen belts are an impenetrable barrier. This is historic ignorance masquerading a scientific skepticism. Now let's eviscerate Bart Cerell's contribution to this scientific catastrophe. We'll get to what Bart claims is the most important and damning evidence that proves we didn't go to the moon in just a bit. But with Danny Jones, in the interview, in many of his interviews and his feature films.
Starting point is 00:14:51 He quotes NASA engineer Kelly Smith from 2014 saying we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space. Orion is getting ready to launch. My name is Kelly Smith and I work on navigation and guidance for Orion. Orion is NASA's next generation spacecraft. Built with versatility in mind, it can take astronauts deeper into space than we've ever gone before, to an asteroid or even onto Mars. For these missions, Orion has to.
Starting point is 00:15:22 has to be one tough spacecraft, with standing high speeds, searing temperatures, and extreme radiation. Before we can send astronauts into space on Orion, we have to test all of its systems. And there's only one way to know if we got it right. Fly it in space. For Orion's first flight, no astronauts will be aboard. The spacecraft is loaded with sensors
Starting point is 00:15:44 to record and measure all aspects of the flight in every detail. It all begins with launch, aboard a Delta 4 heavy rocket. As it punches into Earth orbit, Orion will jettison its launch aboard the abort system. The abort system is a safety feature designed to pull Orion and its crew out of major if there were a problem with the rocket during Ascent. Orion's journey is just beginning. Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is California's number one entertainment destination for today's superstars. Catch the Jonas Brothers return to the Yamava Theater stage on April 30th. The
Starting point is 00:16:45 powerful vocals of Demi Lovato on May 17th and the signature Southern Country Rock of Eric Church on July 19th. Tickets on sale now at Yamava Theater.com. Only at Yamava Resort and Casino, celebrating its 40th anniversary. U.N. must be 21 to enter. Bart presents us as a gotcha, like we haven't done it before, but it demonstrates his complete ignorance of spacecraft engineering and what Smith is talking about. Smith is talking about the Orion program, which involves completely different mission profiles than Apollo, and even speculating on what it would take to go beyond the moon and land on the surface of Mars. Ignition sequence starts. 6.5.0.
Starting point is 00:17:35 As it punches into Earth orbit, Orion will jettison its launch for the system. The important mission. We haven't sent people to Mars. No one claims that. But why not fake that if you're all about conspiracy duping the American public? They have no answer for it. Now, modern spacecraft have vastly more sensitive electronics in 1960s technology. Apollo's guidance systems were radiation hardened. By their primitive design, they were essentially electronic bricks compared to today's
Starting point is 00:18:05 sensitive microprocessors. So we do have to do some more extra engineering work, but it's soluble. We can solve this problem too. Protecting a 2014 computer from radiation requires different solutions than protecting a 1969 computer. It's like asking why do modern cars need catalytic converters when the 1960s cars didn't. the requirements have evolved. And a Model T is much more radiation resistant than a modern Ford Mach E Mustang. Now, let's get back to the inherent inconsistency. That's completely laughable. Imagine 55 years later, no one can fly across the Atlantic.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Or they say it's too expensive. It's just too expensive is what they say. Well, that's just not the case. The government doesn't care about expenses at all, otherwise they wouldn't be sending all that money. James Van Allen, okay? We have a clip of at subbrell.com just uploaded it where he says originally it was published in scientific journal 1959 he says the radiation surrounding the earth that you have to go through to the moon is 100 times greater than a lethal dose essentially what bart and by extension his protege can this are claiming is that NASA knew about the dangers of the van allen belt and claim to lie about it but the fatal flaw is that NASA is the organization that predicted
Starting point is 00:19:22 and measured the behavior of the Van Allen belts themselves. James Van Allen belt, according to Bard, said that radiation doses were 100 times greater than a lethal dose. This is complete and utter nonsense, or perhaps it's a misquote. I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Van Allen's 1959 research was measuring peak radiation intensity in specific belt regions, not declaring space travel impossible. Van Allen himself used early NASA satellites and support of the Apollo program. never suggested that the radiation belts were insurmountable.
Starting point is 00:19:54 He wasn't a medical doctor either. The fact that Bart takes a measurement of peak radiation and extrapolates that to show the impossibility for humans to survive shows that he either doesn't know or doesn't care about dose rates, exposure time, or radiation biology. This is credibility suicide. Bart's using NASA data to prove that NASA is lying. He says NASA research, NASA measurements, NASA publications,
Starting point is 00:20:19 and NASA medical diagnostics as assessments all supporting his evidence. But they're all NASA materials. If NASA lacks all credibility, and they would, if they lied about the lunar landing for the last 55 years, then they have no credibility. But they do have credibility, right, Bart? Because you trust Van Allen's measurements from NASA data where the radiation exposure limits came from,
Starting point is 00:20:41 which forms a foundation of Bart's entire argument. This is entirely unreliable. He's created a performative contradiction that destroys his own credibility. This is like someone claiming a witness as a pathological liar, while also relying on their testimony as your primary witness. It's not just bad logic. It's a self-owned, the likes of which I haven't seen very much of,
Starting point is 00:21:04 which forms the foundation of Bart's entire argument. This is entirely unreliable. He's created a performative contradiction that destroys his own credibility. This is like someone claiming a witness as a pathological lie. while also relying on their testimony as your primary witness. It's not just bad logic. It's a self-owned, the likes of which I haven't seen very much of. So let me give you the actual numbers that Candace and Bart are too incompetent to understand.
Starting point is 00:21:32 Apollo astronauts received total doses of 0.18 to 1.14 rads per mission. For comparison, people that work around radiation, like nuclear technicians, are allowed some 4 to 20 times as much exposure per year, not just once in their life. A single CT scan gives you about one radiation exposure unit. The threshold for acute radiation sickness is around 100 radiation units. Received rapidly. Poly astronauts received less radiation in emission than your radiologist gets at a typical work year. The idea that they would be killed by Van Allen Belt radiation is medical nonsense.
Starting point is 00:22:10 The solutions weren't science fiction. NASA used straightforward engineering. They chose trajectories that minimized exposure time and avoided the death. and avoided the densest radiation region. They used spacecraft materials that provided adequate shielding for short-term duration exposure and would also be lightweight enough to carry into transluner orbital injection. This isn't magic people, it's the same kind of engineering that lets us fly commercial aircraft through cosmic radiation at 40,000 feet or operate nuclear power plants safely.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Maybe that's all fake and gay. The difference is that airline pilots and nuclear engineers actually understand radiation physics. Unlike conspiracy theory, and political commentators. And here's something Candace and Bart conveniently ignore. Polymissions were tracked by multiple countries, including the Soviet Union, who had every incentive to expose the hoax if one existed. Independent radio operators tracked the missions.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Multiple countries detected the spacecraft signals. The retroreflectors left on the lunar surface are still used today by my colleagues like Tom Murphy and others to do so-called lunar laser ranging experiments, to measure the moon's distance to within the thickness of a paperclip. And these are historic accomplishments, and American scientists and scientists around the world should justifiably be proud. But no, Candace and Bart want to destroy that. For what purpose, I don't know. Somehow, they think that NASA fooled everyone with aluminum foil
Starting point is 00:23:32 and movie lights. I took that on in the previous video. Talked about electrical lights that Bart seems to be fascinated by. Now, the narcissism required to believe that you've discovered what thousands of international scientists missed is staggering. So what we've witnessed today is not just scientific ignorance, it's motivated to an art form. Candice and Bort demonstrate every classic feature of conspiracy thinking. Cherry-picking data that supports predetermined conclusions, applying different standards to the same sources, creating impossible competence
Starting point is 00:24:03 paradoxes, misunderstanding basic scientific concepts, that they could easily be shown to be completely ignorant on. They don't follow evidence to conclusions. They start with their conclusions and hunt for evidence. This isn't skeptical. It's confirmation bias with a physics vocabulary. Candice's confidence while talking about thermodynamics and Van Allen Belt radiation is a perfect example of the Dunning Krueger effect. Someone like her with a minimal understanding of only the vocabulary perhaps are often the most confident because they don't know enough to recognize their own ignorance. A real physicist would say, let me check the thermal conductivity coefficients, particle flux densities, but Candice says hot means melt.
Starting point is 00:24:44 With the confidence of someone whose only experience with thermodynamics is there is her kids easy-bag-up. The internet has democratized access to information. That's great, but it's also democratized the creation of misinformation. Anyone can cherry pick points to support virtually any claim if they're sufficiently motivated and scientifically illiterate. The solution isn't less information. It's better science education and more critical thinking. We need people who can distinguish between plasma temperature and thermal flocks, not YouTube personalities, who are who confused the Van Allen belts with biblical firmaments.
Starting point is 00:25:16 But I want to get into the most troubling aspect. I want to turn now to the final showdown, where Bart admits that he was afraid or unwilling to debate me, even at Joe Rogan's behest. But when Bart spoke with Danny Jones, he also displayed an incredible amount of ignorance about lunar geology and even the acquisition of meteorite. This is allegedly, this was given to me by Brian Keating,
Starting point is 00:25:42 who came on the podcast, about a year ago. This is allegedly a piece of the moon. Well, then he just violated federal law because you're not supposed to have a moon rock in your possession. And one of the things that's in my book is how a grandmother who had the tiniest fleck, their speck of alleged moonrock in this solid plastic, wanted to sell it to help you know, pay her mortgage. And she was surrounded by the FBI and held in custody without being allowed to go to the bathroom because she had a speck of a moon rock because it's a federal crime to be in possession of a moon rock. So either he violated the law, you're violating the law,
Starting point is 00:26:22 or it's a fake moon rock. Let's just go with fake. Here's one right here, Bart. This is lunar material. It's lunar regalph. It's 0.230 grams. You claimed I've committed a federal crime, but it shows that you're actually ignorant about how the sample was actually acquired. This was acquired on eBay. Do you think there's an international federal felony-creating cartel that is selling moon rocks on eBay? Or could there possibly be another way that I could have come into possession of this moon meteorite? And Danny Jones, you're welcome for giving it to you. This meteorite came from a collector. I purchased it legally.
Starting point is 00:26:59 It's a fragment that came to Earth and landed in Northwest Africa. In fact, that's its name. You seem to claim that the only way to get moon rocks is by committing a felony. robbing it from a museum or stealing it from an astronaut. It shows you you don't understand basic geology. There are many ways to get to a conclusion, Bart. You just cherry-picked the ones that make America and NASA look horrible. Do you think, I know Rogan was trying to get somebody to debate you.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Do you think that'll ever happen? I think the guy who you said gave him the moon rock, what's his name? Keating? He's the guy who wanted me to debate him. Really? Yeah. So Rogan sends me an email, hey, I want you to debate this guy, Keating or whatever. I haven't heard from them ever since, you know.
Starting point is 00:27:41 I'm really not interested in debating anybody. I would do it as a favor to him, and Lex Friedman asked me to do it, and I agreed to do it with him. But that, to me, is like debating if the sky is blue. The sky's blue. We don't need to debate it. Plus, these people he's putting up, or Lex would put up,
Starting point is 00:27:59 they're the victims. I don't know what your motivation is, but I'm still willing to debate you on Joe Rogan. Don't use the excuse that I'm a victim. I'm here. I'm ready to debate. bait you, man to man, with Joe as an impartial witness, and you claim Joe is more sympathetic to the notion the moon landing didn't happen. I gave Joe a moonrock. I'll give you one too. And don't
Starting point is 00:28:19 worry, the Federale won't come after you. Not at least for possessing one of these beauties. So what do you say, Bart? Are you up for it? Man to man. On the Joe Rogan experience, where this whole thing was kicked off. Let me know in the comments if you want to see this happen. Let's review what we've discovered today. We've learned that two extremely prominent and well-spoken voices have been peddling scientific misinformation. Misinformation that discredits NASA and even American exceptionalism. Now, this has real consequences because when people with massive platforms like Candace or Bart spread physics nonsense, they undermine the public's trust in science and engineering.
Starting point is 00:29:00 The same science and engineering that gives us GPS satellites and weather prediction, medical imaging, that Candice hopefully is using to keep her baby healthy before it's born. All those came from technology invented by people that understood the properties of radiation, exposure, and physics as well. Sure, both Bart and Candice travel frequently by airlines. Now, those aim airlines use NASA technology to make sure that the very airliners that they're traveling on don't disintegrate in flight. I should know. I worked at NASA Langley in 1992, developing non-designor. invasive technology to diagnose problems like flaws or cracks in aviation aircraft to limit skin.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Not from the melting due to the auroras, Candace, but instead due to the fact that stress cracks occur due to pressurization and depressurization cycles. NASA wanted to find a cheaper way to diagnose those problems before they would lead to fatal flaws like happened on Aloha Airlines flight in the late 1980s. You should be very thankful for what NASA does for you, Candice, and Bart, the Van Allen belts are real, they're spectacular, and they're really well understood. They're completely navigable with proper engineering. NASA didn't fake the moon landing. They accomplish one of the greatest engineering feats in human history. So the next time someone with a political science degree tries to lecture you about plasma physics, remember this video,
Starting point is 00:30:24 and remember that expertise matters, facts matter. Real science doesn't care about your political views or your agenda, your homophobia, or whatnot. Physics works with you. you understand it or not. Subscribe for more scientific reality checks and make sure you check out part one of my episode where I took on Bart's misunderstanding of including the geometry of the size of the moon as perceived from the Apollo missions, the radio signal travel time from the Earth to the Apollo command module, and many, many more egregious editors. Don't forget to like comment and subscribe.
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