Just As Well, The Women's Health Podcast - Jessie J on Breast Cancer, ADHD, and the Fight to Stay Here

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

Jessie J joins Gemma Atkinson and Claire Sanderson on Just As Well for a raw, funny, and deeply moving conversation about the year that changed everything. In this episode, Jessie opens up about her 2025 breast cancer diagnosis — from finding the lump and getting the call, to surgery, recovery, and what it means to keep showing up while raising her son. She also reflects on early fame, lifelong health challenges, grief, and her adult diagnosis of ADHD and OCD, sharing the coping tools that help her stay grounded when life gets loud. Honest, unfiltered, and full of Jessie’s trademark humour, this is a powerful story about resilience, perspective, and choosing to live — out loud.If you’ve been affected by anything discussed in this episode, please consider reaching out to someone you trust or a professional support service in your country. Hosts:  https://www.instagram.com/glouiseatkinson/  https://www.instagram.com/clairesanderson/  Wellness video producer: https://www.instagram.com/chelia.batkin/  #JessieJ #JustAsWell #Podcast #BreastCancer #WomensHealth #ADHD #MentalHealth #Motherhood Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello and welcome to another episode of Jess as well. I'm Claire Sanderson. I don't have Gemma with me today in the studio, but I do have a really, really great episode for you to enjoy. I met Jesse Jay, globally recognised star Jesse Jay. It was a funny, moving, entertaining, interesting, all of the above episode. Jesse has had a really tough year in 2025 when she was diagnosed with breast cancer. We discussed. We discussed. how she coped in those first few frightening days and weeks and what she's doing now to help herself recover physically and emotionally. She told me about her early career when she was at the Brits School right up until now where she's launching her new album and she's a mum and all the challenges that that brings. We're teared up in the studio. She sang for me.

It's a really, really lovely episode and I hope you enjoy. She's one of the most distinctive voices of her generation, a global hitmaker, whose songs have top charts in 20 countries from Do It Like a Dude, Price Tag and Bang Bang and Domino. But behind the superstardom is a woman who has lived through dizzy and success, industry pressure, personal loss, and most recently, a breast cancer diagnosis. 2025 was supposed to be Jessie's big musical return. Instead, it became the year she confronted the most intense challenge of her life. all while raising her son, rebuilding her health and redefining what it means to heal publicly.

Jessie J joins us here in London today to talk about her journey so far. The highs, the heartbreaks, the hopes and what comes next? Oh, that was lovely. Oh, well. The first few lines I was looking around to see if it was. I thought it this can't be very. But yes, that was lovely. And thank you so much for coming in to see us today.

Thanks for having me. Hot off the heels off your woman's health cover. So we've seen it and I haven't. Yeah, I have. It's a goodie. You like it? I do like it. It's one of my favourite shoots, I think. It's so cool.

Yeah, because it's so cool. But so you, I thought, as well. I love the location and the vibe. And it's an honour that you chose to speak to women's health because you really have been through such a tough year this year with your cancer diagnosis. And we will come on to that, but let's not start there. I want to take you right back to the Brits School. You're at the Brits School.

with Adele because I was I with respect I feel like you've been around a long time oh for sure yeah yeah you and but you were famous really quite young so take us back to those very early days when you're at the Brits school with Adele in a in you got your first record deal there what was it like well I wasn't when I say at Brits school with Adel I wasn't like me and Adele weren't like best mates or in the same class we basically would like we probably sang together twice about 10 minutes on two occasion over like two years it wasn't like we her best friend. Obviously, she's just become hugely massively successful.

And I got nominated for a Brit Award 15 years ago. But I loved the Brit school. It was such a, like, it was just a really unique time to discover who I was as an artist. And obviously, I went there from the age of 16 to 18. While I was there, I auditioned for the girl band that inevitably a few years later got me my first ever record deal, kind of with the jumping pads. but like it was just I did musical theatre I wasn't in music

Adele was in music and I just loved it but yeah I was so young because you were actually on the West End stage much younger yeah so my first every professional job was I was think I was eight or nine and I did inherit the wind with Larry Lamb

at the King's Head theatre in Islington and then my first big big role was playing brat in Whistle Down the Wind that Angelaudweber show at the Aldrich Theatre in Holborn and I did that for two years goodness me and how old are you then from 9 to 11

9 to 11 yeah is that every night no no no they have three teams yeah so they alternate because obviously you can't do that much work when you're that young so I would go and do like Thursday Friday and then have Saturday Sunday and then some weeks I'd do more and then less it was I can't remember but the first time round I was in purple team I think

and the second time I was in chickpea so funny isn't I remember there was like the three groups it was like green blue and purple and the second time I did it was like chickpea lentil and like, I don't know, green bean. I can't even remember, but I was a chickpea. I get why they called them colours. I don't get why they called them grey.

I think they just ran out of like, and then people would get offended if they were reused. So I think they just had to come up with different names. But it was the best time ever. I made some of my closest friends there. So you knew from a really young age, this is what you wanted to do. Oh, yeah. I love to sing.

I love to dance. I love to make up shows. You know, you put like the name tags on the sofa. Like, everyone sit down. Me and my sisters were like, like put on shows. I just, I loved making people feel happy.

It's one of the clearest memories I have of being a kid. I just loved making people laugh, making people cry, but like through something entertaining. Like I really remember that vividly. But do you come from a stage school family then? Or you're the only performer? No, not necessarily.

Both my sisters did drama. Yeah. They wanted to be actresses. And they both did like uni. They did acting and like English. but my mum was a nursery nurse and my dad's a mentor of social worker so he's my dad's definitely the more

extrovert of the family like he's very funny and like very much uses comedy in his therapy but we're a very loud like comical family but I wouldn't say that anyone else wanted to sing my granddad well my dad's dad was a professional

jazz drummer so we had like music and like entertainment like in the energy of our family but we're not a stage family now. So Do It Like a Dude was your first big hit. Was it your debut hit or your first big hit? Yeah, so it was the first, no, I actually think Casualty of Love was the first song ever released, but that was in the US.

But Do It Like A Do It was the first global single. Yeah. And that was the first digital release ever. Isn't that mad? So I was like the little digital guinea pig. You were the first digital release artist ever? Yeah, I don't know if it's worldwide or UK. It might have been worldwide.

Don't fact check, maybe fact check that. But yeah, it was. like one of the first ones especially in the UK and yeah like a dude was the one obviously I'd put loads of stuff on YouTube and big people had heard

Mama knows best and Big White Room and Rainbow and all those songs that actually ended up being on my album but yeah that was the first song So when was that what year was that? Oh we put that in 2010 So how did it feel to go from being relatively unknown to one of the biggest female pop stars in the UK

It was an experience that you can never prepare for and honestly recently having a baby I said to my mum it reminds me of that feeling of like something completely new that you can kind of read about like I would read about other people like becoming famous whatever but until you experience it

it's so unique to you even though other people have gone through it so I remember just I remember very clearly when Price Tay came out and obviously that was the song that just went everywhere. And I remember coming out of my house and I was on the billboard next to my house.

I got in the car and I was on the video on the back of the screen. I was on the front of the newspaper. I was it and I was just like oh my gosh like I'm never going to be able to like do the things that I did that got me to be the person I am now so that was when I had a bit

of a freak out but I loved it but like being chased by paparacta it's not really a thing anymore but back then it was that was mental. But I also love it. I loved connecting with people as I do now but yeah going from being like I remember

walking around Westfield and me my friends would be like let's count how many people we think will recognise you and it went from like three people to like a hundred people in a matter of weeks and how did the novelty were off quite quickly or did you I've always been quite grounded

so I feel like I've always kind of tried to like my anxiety like as in my personality, and obviously I was not long ago diagnosed ADHD, I definitely think that that kind of spiraled, but I definitely tried to constantly communicate with myself, the people around me, to make sure that I could consistently live somewhat of a normal life, even though other people treated me so differently. That's the key.

Because you mentioned you compared it to the feeling of when you had your baby and it's the unknown. I do remember myself when I was pregnant with my eldest at about eight months pregnant thinking what have I done? My life is never going to be the same again. You don't understand like how it is. I remember when I first gave birth

I just went this is like relentless magic because it's like as much as it's everyone wants a good thing and everyone like wants to eat a bit of cake but it's like you don't want to eat cake 24 hours a day and that's kind of what having a baby is It's like this beautiful thing that you love, but you're like, can I just have a glass of war and a break? Yeah.

You know, and it's that feeling of going, it's the most incredible thing. I remember someone said to me, like, what's it like having a baby? And I was like, honestly, it's the most incredible thing, but you've got a sore throat. You know, like, when you're having the best day of your life, but you've got a sore throat. It's amazing, but you're just a bit like, can I just sit down?

And unless you experience that, I do think it's really hard to, like, understand, like, that direct feeling. Yeah, the reality of your life. If I take you back to price tag, that was number one in numerous countries. Yeah, loads of places. Yeah. 20-odd countries. Oh, I don't ever remember things like that.

It's a bit cringe to me. Not that you can know, but I just, I don't ever hold on stuff like that. But I know it went number one in a lot of places. Where was the most random? Who knows? I remember just being like, I mean, at the time I was like, I didn't even know half the countries existed. You know, I was just like, where's that and where's that? And it's number one there and number one here and da-da-da.

I remember just being so proud, though, like, thinking, like, places like Taiwan that I'd only ever, like, seen on TV. And I didn't even think that I'd ever visit there. It was number one there. And I was just like, that's so cool. Because you wrote it? I was 21, yeah. I did with Claude Kelly and Dr. Luke. So it really is the product of your mind.

I mean, I've pretty much written everything apart from Bang Bang Masterpiece. That third album I didn't write much of, but everything else. Like the Rose album, this most recent, the first one, alive. that that's all me. And where did that school come from? Is there something you learned at the British school or were you writing songs when you... I always loved writing poems.

When I was younger, like everyone else would be playing like Tamagocchi's and conquers and marbles and like Furbys and I was in the back like, what is beautiful? Why is there war? Like I was that kid. Like the emo kid in the back, you know? I was a bit of a tomboy.

Yeah. Didn't really know where to fit in. I was always ill. I think it's really changed. You know, I was just always in the back writing poems and I think those just when I discovered I could sing when I was about 10 I was like I'm going to start writing songs

and I wrote this song on the piano I can't remember that goes now I notice it's not always best I'm just not so happy I just need a rest you may not understand why I am leaving but I will understand why you're not grieving

I wrote that when I was 10 about leaving my dance school how intense is that I was quite deep for, yeah, my daughter's 10. I can't imagine that. No, yeah, I was a bit, I was, I was, I was the class clown, but I was a big empath and that is literally me now. Like, I am so down for a deep, meaningful, really serious, connected conversation, but, like, take me to a comedy club any day.

So you've got this sort of contradiction in your personality? That is my dad. That's how we were all raised. So you mentioned that you're always ill when you were a child. You have had serious major health challenges, intertwined with the success, which makes it all the more remarkable, in my opinion. So you may can explain what some of these are, Wolf Parkinson White Syndrome. So my dad and my granddad both have it.

And when I was nine, we were in Epping Forest. And my dad said, right, everyone raced to the car. And we all started running. And I just went, and I couldn't breathe. I literally felt like my heart stopped. And I went, my dad and my sisters both said I went completely white, white and pale, even more white than I am now. I believe that. Florescent beige.

And I just fell to the floor and I had a seizure and I was taken into hospital. And that's when it all started when I was nine of like the ablation. I was in and out of Great Woman Street a lot. I'd have like heart monitors attached to my chest for weeks on end. I'd be in and out of hospital with like an IV drip and then I'd go into rehearsals for playing blousey and buggsy Malone. But it was my normal. I think that for some reason I do feel that people think that people that are successful and famous that don't have stuff like that. It's almost that makes it more like, can you believe it?

And I think that's why even most recently getting diagnosed of breast cancer, like it didn't scare me. And also I am used to facing like difficult health challenges alongside living what is a very unnormal, incredible, blessed life. So, but yeah, I got diagnosed with morphed Parkinson's white and I was nine. Oh my goodness me. And then I had a stroke when I was 17. but I never get like diarrhea

It's major No it's always like How can I get attention this week No I remember I had a minor stroke When I was working in Hamleys I did nail jazz So if you ever need a snowman or leopard print On your pinky girl I am the person to call

Oh so you weren't one of the ones You stand up the front door of Hamleys No doing like the magic drawing board That's how my sister and her husband met When she was 19 and they're still married now Isn't that quite cool So I was working in Hamleys And I was like something felt weird

and I got pins and needles on my hand and yeah and my face dropped and I went to the I got all the way home on the train I don't know how I did but I did and I went to the doctor and she said I think you've had a minor stroke I'm going to call an ambulance and I was in hospitals for weeks and I was in a girl band at the time and then I got my first record deal a year later you know and then I started writing songs and then I flew to America and I kind of had a good stint for a while and then I got diagnosed of endometriosis and adanamosis And I went through the whole fertility, being told I needed a hysterectomy. That was when I was 26 or 25.

Many ears disease? Mine ears. That was 2021 or 2020. So Meneas is where salt builds up in your ear. Tank also has Meneer's disease. And so I have to have a low salt diet now. And I've lost 25% in my hearing in this ear. So, yeah, it was awful.

That was at Christmas. And it was the most trippy thing because it gives you severe vertigo. so I get really bad vertical on airplanes. Goodness. So if anyone ever sees me on a flight and I've got a blanket over my head, it's not because I'm rude. It's because I'm terrified.

I don't want to have a panic attack. It's a credit to your appearance for not wrapping you up in cotton wool when you were young and a teenager going through these really serious health challenges allowing you to go off and live your dreams. Honestly, I talk about it to my mum all the time. So I had a health scare with Sky when I was pregnant.

So in America they do this like gene test with bloods when you, obviously, it's all private health care there. And so I lived there when I was pregnant for the first five months, and it was 800 genes they checked for, and albeit, even though we do have a lot of other things in common, me and my partner, I had the same gene. So we were told that my son could possibly have this gene, which was actually really severe,

and that he would be severely disabled, he may not live that long. It turned out that it wasn't that gene in the end, but we went through this big ordeal and had to go and do, I can't remember what it's called now, but they put a needle into the... Amnacetosis. Yeah, so it was.

We were going to do that. And I phoned my mum and I just said, I know that I don't, because some people were saying that we should have bought, and this was about 10 weeks. I've never spoken about this. And it wasn't that big a deal at the time, but in the sense of I never thought I would never do that. And I spoke to my mum and she said,

if someone sent me a list of all the things that you've had, never in my wildest dreams would I think that you would have achieved what you had. No. If someone said to me, you're going to have a baby that has a heart disease, a stroke by 17, Meneas disease, endometriosis, adenamiosis, gets breast cancer. She's like, I would never have gone, I would have probably have gone, should I put this child through this life? And she was like, you're the most joyful person throughout all of it.

And I would never have it any other way. And I was like, oh my goodness me. And even though I knew I was never, it wasn't even in question. I was never, I would have had that, I was going to have Sky or whatever. and obviously he's perfect. But that just put everything in perspective to me. It's like, you just never know, do you? You just never know.

I feel quite emotional listening to that. Your mother's incredible, isn't she? And you know what I say all the time? Like, I truly believe that all this health, I get upset and emotional about it now because I'm like, I relive what I went through as a child with my mum sitting next to my bed. And I would always be like, she's still here.

I'd wake up after having like a seizure with my heart disease because I was on very strong medication that used to make me pass out and have seizures and it was just and I ended up coming off of all of it because of the side effects and she'd be in the chair asleep

and I'd be like mom go home and she'd be like I'm not leaving you and now I'm like oh my goodness I can't even imagine if that was sky so like I relive all of it now and I'm just like oh she's the best and even now the day I got diagnosed of breast cancer

my mom moved into my house yeah your it's clear where your resilience comes from yeah my parents are another level they've been married for 46 years I get upset um they're just like best friends they just like they just enjoy life like my dad's been sick my mum's been sick like we've just but they just show up they're just and their communication and humor and like Essex man you know what I mean it's all in there I'm just so grateful like they're always looking on the silver lining. So that's how me and my sisters are. Because your mum's very hands-on with

Sky, your stand as well, isn't it? Well, it's just me and my partner and my mum. We don't have a nanny or any extra kind of additional help beyond that, but my mum doesn't live with us or she pops down every now and again, like she's with us now because I'm busy. But usually it's just me and my partner, but she's just the best. And she was a nursery nurse for many, many years. So she's like, oh, I just made some Play-Doh. And I'm like, sure. Like, she's like, he wanted to make biscuits so I made him some sweet potato rosemary biscuits and I'm like okay like she's I'm like

has Santa Claus called you yet to come back like she's literally Mrs Claus she's the best man like my mum's the quiet little my dad's the Labrador my mom's the black cat but my mum's the most sweetest like you'll be like oh I really fancy like a I don't know I'm really craving

a jacky potato and I'll get home from work and I smell jacked potatoes goodness she's just that she's just so so thoughtful and kind. Do you rent her out? No, honestly, everyone that I know that, like, maybe doesn't have the best relationship

with their mom or whatever, like, everyone calls her mom that's, like, close to her. She's just, like, the baby whisperer. She's just the sweetish. She's just like a little, she's just, I love her so much. My mom's no longer with us and listening to that. Yeah, she passed away last year with Alzheimer's. And she was, when she was ill,

because the final few years were quite awful with Alzheimer's. But for she to, who was so hands-on with the grandkids and so cherish your mum. Oh, I do. Trust me, I do. And time is precious. Time is so precious, man. And I really don't take it for granted. It's one of the things that I'm actually probably the most anxious about. And I remember me and my mum, crazy, we had a conversation in my kitchen. We talk about it all the time. And I said to her, we're so lucky as a family. We've had no cancer in the family. And she was like, you know, it's one in two

people now. And she went, so either I've got it or you've got it. And I found my lump the next day. Isn't that crazy and she got so upset she said I wish it was me. It shouldn't be you and I was like mum I can get through this I'm glad it's not you like you're nearly 70 let's... If anyone can

you bloody can I mean no who knew I didn't know if I was going to but I won't go down without some laughs and some fun but we had Leanne Haynesby from Peloton on this podcast and she had breast cancer and she said that when she went for her initial appointment the cancer nurse took her took her to one side and said this is a mental game she said yes the doctors can do physically what they can to help you through this but you need to get your

mental game no it is definitely a mental game and also because you can't I'm a control freak right I don't deny it and when you like if something's going wrong at work I can fix it if a light bulb needs changing I can do it if dinner needs making in five minutes I'm there but when you've got something in your body that could be eat like literally eating you alive and you can't do anything about it and you have to go to someone else that you've just met at speed and go can you try and get this out my body and they just put you just like that's the bit that you're just like oh my god but like a trust needed there and oh my good but honestly also like like I had to laugh I have to laugh and I'm that person that will try and make light of the

darkest situations and I never forget my mammogram honestly because I've got tiny like little sandbag boobs especially after sky and she was like can you put it in the machine and I was like girl she was like just a bit more I've got nothing else yeah because they literally just sound like just like that yeah it was like a yogurt covered apricot being shut in a fridge door

and she was like a bit more and I was like I literally and we were crying laughing I was actually holding onto the machine like this and she was like hold still and I was like girl this boom is about to slip out but I just had to laugh you know and also like believe that I do believe that if you believe

that it's going to go bad your body will create more negativity inside of it So if it was going to go bad, I was going to be positive about that. And if it wasn't going to be bad, I was going to be positive about that. I just wanted to be positive. Take me to the moment where you found the lump. Were you checking yourself?

Or did you literally just brush and thought there's something there? No. And it's now I was actually talking to some girls in my team about it earlier that I feel like I had some changes on my nipple. And I'd actually shown it to my GP. And she's like, no, it looks fine. And it was fine. It wasn't that bad. But I remember it always, it was quite itchy.

And again, you don't know if that's like, I'd just been on holiday and I was like, did I get sunburn or whatever? But no, I was asleep with my hand like this and I was asleep like this. And I woke up and I was like, what's that? Because I've got very small boobs. So I was like, what's that? And I was feeling it. And I woke up my partner and I said, I've just found this lump.

And it was literally, I want to say, it was like the 17th of March or like mid-March. And I was just like... Was it hard? It was hard and it was probably about that big. So it wasn't... Depends piece. Yeah, and I was just like, oh, okay, let me go and have a letter. And he said, go and see someone, but I just moved back to England after 10 years in L.A.

So I just hadn't built, like I've got my GP here that I've had for years, but I haven't, and I literally just went online and went boob doctor on Harley Street just to get an appointment quickly. Managed to get an appointment for the Monday, that was the Friday. Went to see somebody and like, obviously they were like, we can feel the lump, but we can't see it in an ultrasound and everything looks, normal and I was like okay well what do I do now and they're like well we'll send you for a mammogram and I said yeah my I've got pins and needles in my hand when I wake up every day

like my chest I always had to do this because it was achy and again that might not have nothing to do of it and they're like well we can do a biopsy if you want to and I was just like I just feel like I should and I am someone that has to act on my instinct because I've got this weird energy thing where it's like if I think it or feel it it's quite likely to happen and I just knew I'm terrified of needles and I will avoid anything to like not have to do stuff but I was like no I think I need to do a biopsy and they were like okay well we can put you one in but it will be fine there won't be anything there so then they send me for the um biopsy and that came in on the 28 so it was the day after my birthday so I turned 37 on the 27th the next morning I went and had it done and I documented it I've actually got loads of videos that I want to put together and put out so I think it would just be interesting for people that

to see. So I went and had, I think it was, they did two or three biopsies and obviously it's quite a big needle and they numb the area, they put it in and they kind of snatch a bit of skin. And then she said to me, if it's not good news, I'll phone you on Monday and that was on the Friday. And she texts me saying, can I zoom with you at 6pm? This was at half four and I was like, yeah, yeah, thinking it won't be anything because she's not going to tell me on Zoom. Yeah, and she said, I'm really sorry, but you've got breast cancer. Yeah. What was, we got? We got. It was from your mind in that moment. Well, the first thing I thought, I literally phoned my mum and I went,

okay, well, I'm really busy. And when you're in work mode as well, like Jessie J, I'd switched back on from being in pyjamas for a long time with my son. And I was just in a bit like stealth mode. And I was like, right, okay, life, this is our next thing. And I said to my mom, I cannot die because Sky needs me. That's not an option. So let's do this.

Like, that was literally how I kind of took it on. And obviously I was upset and I cried and I had a nerve. normal human reaction but I was laughing either I've filmed the face times you can't hear him but I can see myself laughing and my mum just going on for God's sake really making a joke but I was like that's how I get through it um and I meant the only thing that I remember that was difficult mentally as well is that you don't know how bad it is and then you learn all this stuff about how many breast cancer types there are and you have to do the genetic testing and this and whether I needed a double mastectomy or just one and then I went for the mammogram after my biopsy

had told me that I had cancer and that was clear. So if I'd have gone for the mammogram, who knows? So it would have been in you. If you hadn't then insist on a lot of an opposite. If they would have just said, actually no, it's all clear. And then I went for an MRI. Yeah. And that was, I mean, anyone that's had a breast MRI, I don't know if you've had one.

But you lay on your front with your arms up and you have to be really still. And you put your boobs into like a little hole and they inject you have died. Your boobs are hanging down. I mean, mine weren't really. Let's be honest. Mine would be swinging. Mine would not swinging at all. They barely reached the bucket, really, at this point.

Yeah, I say a bucket. It was more like a, I don't know, like a Wagamama's edamame pot. Random. And so, yeah, I picked Bob Marley to play while I was doing that. That was a mistake. Bob Marley and the sort of sound of an MRI are not mates. And I didn't know which one to tap into. It was like, nah, yeah, yeah.

Like, everything's going to be all right. And I was like, no, no. um so then when they did that my MRI showed that i had cancer at the bottom yeah the side and the top so i then decided to change doctors because i then had done my research and was like okay this is a real thing and i'd just gone to the first person i googled so then i kind of did my rounds of going who's the best doctor found my doctor and then he wanted to rerun some of the test to make sure that the cancer the DCIS that they'd found at the bottom was the same at the side and and the top because this if this was invasive then it was a whole different

thing I would have needed chemo so that was literally I had that those biopsies done the day the night before I did like my Ronnie Scott's social what's it called um industry event so it was like obviously knowing I had cancer not knowing how bad it was whilst trying to relaunch my career I mean it was a lot but also kind of just like it made me actually like can I say fuck yes like not give a fuck as much because I was just like this this thing over here is more important than anything else. So I couldn't care. It was a distraction.

Yeah, no, it wasn't even a distraction. It was just a bit like, let's have it. Yeah. Let's go for it. If this is it, let's go for it. So yeah. And then you found out that it hadn't spread? So I didn't know it hadn't spread until the surgery.

Okay. So the biopsy showed that it was all the same kind of cancer. Yeah. But between the time that that happened and the surgery happening, the cells can mature very quickly and just go. You don't know. So that's basically the evolution of breast cancer. cancer cells is that they

overnight can go we've figured out how to get out of here and we're going to be in your body now and then you can't stop us without radiotherapy or chemotherapy or medication so I then had a mastectomy, a full mastectomy on my right side and that was right after

summertime ball and that was on the 21st of June I think you delayed the surgery to do the summertime ball I did much to my mum's anger I can imagine but I just yeah I mean even looking back at it now I understand why upset her and some other people, especially my partner, but I just felt my doctor said to me it's very highly unlikely that it would have progressed and realistically that's the time

I wanted to do it and I really wanted to do summertime of all. I just felt really proud of myself and I wanted to celebrate it. I wanted to have that moment and it was only like 10 or 12 days. It wasn't like months. So yeah. So then I had the surgery. You had a full mastectomy. Full mastectomy on the right side, yeah. With a direct implant. So now I've got like a rock hard mountain. Nice.

She's standing strong, my girl, my new girl. She's like, yes, I'm strong. The other one's going, are you all right? She's like, are you all right? Down there. So yeah, so I had the mastectomy. And then it's only been five months since my surgery. So I'm still much in recovery.

I have, you know, physio. But you have done something. You did BBC 2 in the park. Yeah. You've done it. You've done a lot this summer. Yeah, I mean, I haven't stopped working. I haven't said no to anything.

There might be one or two things that I've just said I can't. But yeah, I've just been going ham. And there's no need to go down the radiotherapy chemotherapy route. No. But I'm assuming they'll keep keeping me monitored. Again, again, I'm very aware that these conversations can trigger people because so many people choose to do this differently and everybody has their own thing. But I was offered to take the medication.

for five years to, like, reduce the risk by like 1%. Is that tamoxifen? I don't know what it's called. I don't remember, but I said no because of the side effects and it stunts you from having babies and I will be 43 or 4 by the time I would stop taking that and I just was like, you know what? I don't want to lose that opportunity if I do want to have a second child. It also brings on early menopause and, you know, I just felt for that tiny percentage,

considering I had a mastectomy, I don't carry any genes, I felt it was. right I might regret it but now in this very moment I don't and that was the right decision for me. Do you still trust your body? Oh yeah she's been with oh my my girl has been there holding me up through the stroke through the amount of times that my body has been told no you can't do this or no you can't do that and I've with together like I do my body as like another person inside of me that we've just been like no we can handle this we're good thank you so much and you chose to go public with your breast cancer and your other illnesses, but especially your breast cancer,

do you feel any responsibility to do that? Because you are in a position of privilege and people are inspired by you, so maybe we'll then go off and check their breasts for instance when they hear. It was a tough one because obviously at the timing that I got diagnosed, I felt as if I didn't share it that I just, I'm such an honest person. And for the first time in years,

I've been put into interviews and podcasts and TV shows. And I was like, there's no way that I can go through breast cancer. and not talk about it even just for myself like I wasn't talking about it and it was really strange it was like I was living this double life

like I'd be in the I'd be in like the BAFTA's performing and doing interviews and then I'd be going to the hospital straight after to like and it was just weird and I was like yeah this doesn't feel right

and I'm very much like I don't become Jesse Jay it's just a name for the brand that's me in the kitchen at home with my son and me on stage so I just felt like it was a weird one not to talk about but obviously then I know that

along with that comes the responsibility when you're famous and you've got and you've got you know people will listen to you but I think I've really tried to do my best this time to like not do that before I had processed that I'd even had it or have it and still going for even now people are like so you good and I'm like well I'm good but I'm still I've got to do the other side at some point and I need to do something else on this side because the implant isn't sitting right and I need liposuction but I'll get to that but like it's not finished yet you know and even the amount of

people that I meet that go I had a mastectomy and it came back in my breast tissue you know and you're like okay that's a reality but it's also a reality that I could have something else happen what do you mean you have to do the other side so I want to even it out okay they're not the same size at the moment no no this one's all Amazon padding right yeah God bless my mom she's also so in padding into every I've got about 20 bras now and I don't know how to act honestly I've in my drawing I'm like scada da da da um oh I get so your natural boob is smaller than the implant. Oh yeah. My nipples are doing two different things, babe.

I've got one that's like a little sandbag that's like and the other one's like a grapefruit under a tight bed sheet. Right. Does that feel weird or are you used to it? No, I've got used to it now. I mean, it's only been five months but I don't, I've never defined. I mean, I've never been a boob girl. I've always been a bit of a butt girl. But yeah, it's, it is what it is. I'm here. Do you know what I mean? Like, it ain't that deep. Like, I'm so grateful to

like not have breast cancer. but yeah so this one's all like that's an implant yeah and that one's padding so you get the boob job then basically i've got i've got to do some uh that's why i was supposed to have surgery the middle of october and it got postponed because my surgeon that is purely just a cancer reconstructive doctor said this is a cancer reconstructive job but also cosmetic yeah and so i need some stuff done on this side that's more cancer reconstructive but also want cosmetic so he's like I don't feel I'm right for the job, so then I, yeah. So it's a whole process, and they don't care what I do for work.

They're not thinking, oh, okay, you've got to go on tour. Let's not, they don't care. Their goal is to get the cancer out, and that's what it should be. What one thing would you hope women listening today would know about early stage breast cancer and checking themselves? We could give them one piece of advice. Honestly, my advice to anyone isn't just about checking yourself. It's literally about looking at what you're putting into your body all the time. The cancer that I had, one of the main reasons that you can get it is from going on the contraception young, which I did.

I was 16. It was having a baby late, which I did. I was 36. I got my getting your period early, which obviously you can't control, but I got mine when I was 10 or 11. Yeah. God, you're describing me at the moment. right yeah they're all the reasons it's all about your um lymphatic drainage system so it's where it gets blocked and that can get blocked with toxins so toxic deodorant with candles with i mean i

so when i got diagnosed so many of my friends were like what if you're going to get cancer i'm i am very healthy like obviously not like i'm not like trust me i'll steal eat a family bag size of mini buttons but I am pretty healthy but you can always do more and it's like I just think that it's so important to like where you can make the change from plastic

to stainless steel to glass to trying to cut down on junk food to if you can get a lymphatic drainage massage once every a year or six months you know save up for it let it be a birthday gift or whatever if you can like you know get outside more exercise

like I feel like that would be advice now like all my candles in my house gone i don't put perfume on my skin all my products are super clean you know i don't have any plastic in my house neither does my son does not drink or eat from plastic it's all stainless steel it's all glass that's hard to do that we've had another guest on here actually and speaking about the toxins and how to sort of detox your life yeah it's hard in the sense that there's so many things you can't control like you're breathing in thousands of toxins that weren't around 70 years ago, you know, but also there are ones that you can. But the plastic when it's in particularly hard because products in supermarket just come in

plastic. Yeah. You buy blueberries. They're in plastic. Yeah. You know, everything. But it's also about eating hot food out of plastic. Yeah.

Yeah. Even if it's BPA or whatever, it's just better to eat stuff out of stainless still. Yeah. It's obviously, again, you can't do it completely 100%. But the things that you can try. So have you, you say you've always been healthy. Have you made a much more concerted effort since March? So these processes that you've just described,

are they something that you've implemented since then? Yes, so my diet, I've got, again, got even cleaner. Like, I love food, but, like, I'm, I was vegan for six years, so I definitely, and I went through the whole no sugar, no gluten thing. I've always been, like, I do believe that food is a healer, it's medicine. And I can even go even more. Like, I'm learning so much, we're missing accounts that I follow on Instagram. I'm just like, oh, my God, that's such a good idea, and that's so true.

and it's really just like lifestyle like what you've been raised on you know what I mean if you've been raised on the 50 shades of beige diet do you know what I mean it's like it's hard to break away from the squashy bread and the chicken nuggets but you but you can do it and you can also do it on a budget

you can and I just think it just takes a little bit more understanding and research to do it but you know I definitely have changed the way I live more even now since the cancer for sure and you can as you mentioned you can make those changes for sky and for the next generation

because I was brought up on the 50 shades of beige diet I definitely ate a mushroom chicken pot noodle every day for at least three years well I just remember having chips with everything when I was growing up but you know it would be literally beans to be sure I have to say I don't want to say that because my mum was amazing with our food and obviously it was once I got to an age where I could leave the house and eat what I wanted and I got addicted to sugar like ADHD I know you have a fiend for sugar and it's like you crave the dopamine here

and it got so bad that you had to go to see a doctor to clear out my colon because I was so addicted to sugar that it was the only thing my body was absorbing and then obviously you get candinda

and you take loads of antibiotics and then you get the like overgrown of yeast in your body and it comes out in like your skin and like your gut health and it's so bad which is why I'm so anti-antibiotics you know obviously if they're necessary

and it's the only thing that you can do to get rid of whatever it is then great but like sky's never had and even though we've been given them 16 times from the doctors every time he goes with something. Yeah, we give him vitamins every day. He has his humidifier every night.

He doesn't eat it of plastic. He eats every vegetable, everything. Everything I make is from scratch. I bulk cook at 5am. I'm a bit crazy, but like if I can do his life just that little bit more knowledgeable than, say, mine was or just with the things that people have learned with health and life and lifestyle,

then I'll try my best. God, he's hit the jackpot with you, isn't he? Oh, I mean, he's lucky. Everyone around him is just the best. He's hit the jackpot with many people in his life, but I am glad that I'm his mum. So your partner is the Danish-Israeli basketball player? Yeah, he was a basketball player for a long time.

So his name is Khanan, and he is the most incredible father. Like, stand-up man, like he has been incredible to Sky. And I just watching him flourish as a dad. has been so magical for me, yeah. And you don't have child care, so it's your partner and then your mum stepping in. She's me and him. So I do a lot of the stuff, you know what I'm saying? The preparing, the organising, the booking, the food shop, the cooking, the updating the clothes and the toys.

And obviously when I'm at work, he does a lot of the actual childcare. And we mix between the two, obviously, I do it a lot too when I can. But yeah, he's been great. Because it would have been hard here for him. Oh, for sure. Watching your most, almost more difficult when you're watching your loved one go through it. But I actually think it's been amazing because in that time that I have been going through that difficult time, it's been lovely that we've had plans and I've had summertime ball and Sky's come to see me sing it the first time at Radio 2.

And we've had all these beautiful opportunities to get out the house and there'd be another focus that's fun alongside. I never wanted, one thing I will always say is like my worst days will never define my days. God, I feel like I want to write that on the back of my hand Do you know what I mean? Like I feel like a lot of people Introduce themselves are the worst part of their life Yeah And I'm like, that's not me

Like this was part of it Inspired this But it ain't me You know And it offers a different lens to move forward Different perspective Yeah different perspective A resolved resilience

I suppose Yeah And yeah you've been through So much With your health In a very severe manner yet you seem to come out stronger the other end I believe that I go through it

so I connect with other people I do believe that I believe that whatever my purpose is in this world, in this life I believe that I go through it so that I can write songs about it and talk about it because I know that that's my strength

because you do bring a lot of your personal life into your songs especially your most recent I don't mean to you know but I just can't help it I can't imagine I can stop talking about my titty

no I literally just can't help it but you write all your own song so you write about personal experience and even this album The Don't Tees Me For Good Time Obviously I wrote I started writing this in 2019 So that's seven years ago

Mad Seven years ago is a different life to now But I'm putting them out So people are reacting to things That I went through seven years ago And I'm like oh Then it's completely changed now Like the relationships

The experience, my health Like how I even felt about stuff Like you write songs in a moment where you've had an argument with someone on the phone, you go in the studio and you write it and then you forget about it the next week and then seven years later people are reacting to it and you're going, oh, that doesn't really matter anymore. So you were diagnosed with ADHD in 20, 23. Yes, five minutes ago. The way you describe yourself, I'm not surprised you have ADHD. Someone very close to me has ADHD

and I can see similar personality traits. But you, yeah, you can hyper-focus on things and super determined, but equally have an awful lot. of energy and maybe quite easily distracted. I hope I'm not offending you. There's nothing you could say that could offend me, honestly. How did that change, how you understand yourself, sense of self? I haven't really spoken about it a lot, to be honest, because I feel like since I was diagnosed, it was when I had a baby, I just could not hide it anymore.

I mean, I think everyone that knows me, obviously I think there's a lot of undiagnosed people, and I know that it, I think a lot of people think that it's almost like this, like, craze you know what I mean where everyone's like everyone has it and I do believe that everybody's got a little something we're all a bit fruity you know what I mean but I could not hide it when I got the responsibility of Sky and just the the way my brain runs when you're a new mom and you're like the burnout days were insane and just like all the negative traits of ADHD came to the forefront and I couldn't hide it anymore and me and my partner were like I need to get some support and to get support I needed to be diagnosed so I got diagnosed and then

I've really just been like working on it having some therapy learning about what it feels like when it gets worse what makes it better and I also have OCD off the back of my ADHD because I know that if I I feel as though if I if some one little thing undoes or I don't stay on top of something I feel like my whole world might fall apart and that again is a healthy but it's what I'm working on it to improve it and to like be the best version of myself but also celebrate that that's how my brain works and that's okay

but yeah I get super easily distracted again I got some backlash from this when I said it the first time but I do believe that if ADHD is in the right environment it's a superpower and if it's in the wrong environment then it is not it is heartbreaking but also I know how hard it is for parents

that have children with ADHD that can't get diagnosed and that must be awful or they don't know how to support them and like there is in a lot of offering of support just in general because people kind of poo-poo it a bit so yeah anytime I meet I've met a lot of my fans recently

and a lot of them will talk about the ADHD or their children have it or they have it and their kids don't and just that the offer of advice and support that I can give you know is nice to share you know what the first person has come on here and said, describe her as a superpower. We had Lucy Bronze, the England footballer,

and she was diagnosed with autism and ADHD in adulthood a couple of years ago. And she described her as a superpower. Yeah, I do, but I don't think, I don't, the way my brain works and things that I can get done in a day is not normal for most people. And I love that about myself.

Like, my time management, because my OCDs come off the back of my ADHD of, like, organisation. Like, I have lists and I'm very, like, I have my structure of my day and my house runs a certain way and that is the reason I can do what I do with no assistant, no nanny

I style myself I do so much myself because I am organised and I love that about myself some days I can fall off the fall off the ladder and land in a pile of shit and it's what it is

and everyone everyone goes okay now it's time to slow it down and I listen I never used to when I was younger but I listen now but I've definitely built I feel like I'm building a world around me that means that I can flourish in made HD

and not feel like I'm hiding. Because organisation is not a trait synonymous with ADHD. Is that a skill that you've had to? No, it's become an obsession and compulsive thing because of the ADHD that I feel like, and I've also grew up in hospitals and hotels. So that also played a big part in me needing things to look like they're not being used

or like, I can't even explain. It's so hard to explain, but I know what my brain thinks. Like even when I come in here, as I'm talking to you, I'm lining up that table into the middle of that chair and I'm cleaning up those wires. And this is what I had to talk about to the person to get diagnosed. She was like, tell me what your brain's thinking right now. And I'm like, I've turned that plant around about four times.

But it's not even a conscious thought. Like, that that sofa is not even to those two lines on the wall. And I'm constantly putting it in the, it's like, and that's what it is. So my brain doesn't ever go to sleep. But do you give in to those components? Everyone's like, what the hell? I know, I need to sort the plant out. No, it's fine.

That's the thing. It's absolutely fine. It's the way my brain is. I want to tell you those wires in a bit. But do you give in to those compulsive thoughts then? Because that must be quite exhausting. If you're sat at home just so, you're just watching Netflix and suddenly reorganising the house around you.

If I'm stressed, like when I'm high, my stress is heightened. When I first gave birth, I couldn't turn it off. And my partner, it was difficult for him. He would, like, I'd literally. literally put the baby down, I'd hardly slept, and I'm reorganising the living room. Not because the living room needed reorganising, but I was trying to calm my brain down. And every little intrusive thought of like, you need to reorganise the spice things. They need to be neater and this needs to be...

And I'd be like, yeah, but if I do that, then I need to do this and this needs tidying up. And now the germs are in the house and they need to do it. Like, it got insane. Like to a point where... And also, I had nothing else to focus on. And I'm so proud of how... I mean, Alicia, who's behind the camera, has been working for me 15 years. We talk about it all the time and just...

how I used to be obsessive over my suitcases on tour and that I would spend my day off reorganising them instead of going out because I just felt like I needed to be in control and everything to be organised. I think it was that constant thing of needing to be prepared for everything and anything because I have such high standards. So I've definitely like relaxed, oh my goodness, in the last, I mean, I now go on tour with one or two suitcases.

It's like unheard of and my makeup bag's like the size of my hand. like it's crazy how much I've like mellowed and I'm not as like and I don't put it on to other people as much because parenting in that state of mind or the toddler he's rough yeah who would like flight risks

yeah yeah yeah he's two isn't he he's two and a half so I remember my son at two and a half a flight risk a danger to himself and others you know always stinking I remember going into the garden one day and he picked up a slug and he had the slugglety in his mouth I'm just whacking this slug out of his out.

I'm done, not the slug. And, you know, all the slime dripping down his face. Oh, gosh. I know. Boys are gross. Woof. But dealing with the realities of parents and a two and a half year old boy with what you've described must be really tough.

Yeah, it's definitely tough. And because I am so hands-on and obviously at the moment I'm working really hard and I get home at, say, midnight, I get home and do like an hour of like going through the house and resitting stuff like because that's what calms me down i don't drink i've never done drugs i like to organize you know that's what calms me down and um so yeah so i've definitely got better and i know that hasn't been in an easy environment for my my partner either you know to share with me um because he's the total opposite he's the most laid back like untidy person so it's like there's one of the reasons that like you know we've got along to some extent because he's made me

relax and I've had to go right let me do less you know and he needs to step up and do more so like we've kind of tried to meet in the middle but sometimes it just doesn't work and sometimes it's amazing um but no it is a lot I'm not going to pretend it isn't you know it is tough but at the moment I'm in a really good stride and I've created a really really good healthy structure where I can really switch off and not have guilt either side where I'm at work I'm at work and when I'm with my son, I'm with my son, and I'm not going, if I'm here, then I feel bad, then I'm not there, and if I'm there,

and now I'm just like, let me just be present in the moment and give the best in whatever I'm doing. Do you utilise any mindfulness strategies to calm your mind? Yes, so I do, I don't know what it's called, but I've done it for absolutely years, and I've got my word that I can't tell anyone, but you make up a word, you can use real words, and sometimes I do, but I meditate by repeating that word in my head,

and I see it written out, and if I distract like if I close my eyes now and go to my word and I I write it out in my brain like being written with a pencil or in sparklers sometimes it changes like I'll see it in different ways if I go off where I'm thinking I like her suit what am I going to have for dinner tonight then I go back to the word and I just keep repeating and over the time over that practice your brain will train itself to calm down if you think of that word so if I'm on a plane that's turbulent i'll close my eyes i see the word and instantly my brain goes okay we're shutting down and that helps me like i have to do it like award ceremonies and stuff when it's really loud and there's

lots of people i don't like it's why i don't see it that's why i'm overstimulated by noise and i can't be in crowds of people i'm really claustphobic like i hate like you know the clinking of cutlery oh my god the people chewing loudly absolutely not so like i'll sit there and i'll be like and someone will be talking to me and all of a sudden it feels like the floor's gone from underneath me and I have to close my eyes and I have to go and I think of my word and it just brings me back to like the room and in my core that really helps me I'm going to the person in my family who has ADHD who gets very overstimulated by crowds and theme parks anything like that it really struggles I've got a fidget thing as well I've got one in my bag I'm going

to tell him the um the word trick but yeah no but it really is a lot and sometimes tell him that the first time he does it'll do it 10 seconds and then be like it's too much yeah Then the next day, 15 seconds, next day, 20 seconds, then you'll get to a minute. And then you reach like five minutes and you literally just go, oh my gosh. The whole world feels still. I think we could all benefit from doing that though.

I've also got better at like just chilling out like in the sense of like I now imagine my day in slow motion and I don't let things stress me out like I used to. Like I used to just be constantly a bit more uptight with my ADHD. I'd be a bit like, everything was like and now I'm just like I try and actively

imagine the days in slow motion and I also enjoying it I think ADHD can really steal the joy you know so I really try and do that but yeah the the meditation trick will definitely help and a fidget in his pocket

yeah he's got one of those well all sorts of them yeah just to my mum bought me one and I broke it and I was like I was so intense of it I literally just split it in half and she was like okay so that one didn't work let's get you a different one but it's so funny now and i say to my

mum like didn't you know that i had like oCD and ADHD and she was like well you used to clean your trainers with a toothbrush signs were there then the signs were there but also she was like I knew that when you were stressed because you'd rearrange your room that was what I did I organized and rearranged I needed change like I'm a big impulsive that's ADHD the dopamine I need big and sometimes especially when I have a baby and every day is the same it almost can help but also heightens the fact that you're like but I just want to jump on a plane or I want to go and do this or I want to go and do that or I want to

I'm going to pick up psych like I remember I'd be like I want to play tennis and I'd go and buy everything to play tennis and I'd play it twice and then the racket's still in my cup like I'm that that's that is that you know personal debt is a big issue people with ADHD because they are they can be compulsive shoppers shoppers yeah I'm not like that so much I like I think I'm a compulsive giving to other people

I get a real kick out of like buying gifts and giving things to other people and like you know and like even other people around charities and that I get obsessed with that yeah that's not a bad thing though so let's look forward you have just bought your new album out don't tease me with the good time don't tease me with a good time girl it's already flying high it's doing its things you know the most important thing to me people always say like you know what do you want from this album and I'm like I just want people to want take from it what they need what they want there's so many different songs in the album it was such a big like spectrum of time that I wrote this record again the first

song I wrote on it thought that that made it was complicated which I wrote in 2019 or 2018 and all the way to Forgis Love which is the last song I wrote in 2022 or 23 So like, it's a real spectrum of like joy, grief, pop, silliness, honesty, anger, heartache, is all of it. And that is what being a human is. I personally don't wake up and go, I want to listen to the same song over and over and over again. So I write, I make albums like I'm a song right out because that is what ultimately I am. And that's what this album feels like. Do you a favourite song on it?

I love California. I think the song that The song that hits me the hardest is I'll never know why Yeah And what's that based on? So I never know why I wrote about My Security Guard, Dave Who took his life seven years ago

And I wrote this song five years ago And I wrote it with Ryan Tedder And I remember the day Because he was like playing all these beats And they were uptempo and I was just like I need to write this song I need to write a song about Dave And it's a song

there's my perspective and my obviously viewpoint from it was how I felt about him leaving the world and not saying goodbye and not knowing ever really why the lyric that gets me is how could you say goodbye without saying goodbye and even now I just get so frustrated and almost a bit trippy that I'm never going to talk to him ever again because he was so, so close to me but I think that more importantly

in a bigger scale is that everyone's grieving and people kind of suppress it because it's something that you can't a lot of the time if you need to go through everyday normal life carry around with you so you kind of stuff it into the bottom of your bag or put it under your bed

and this song forces you to open the box that you stuffed under your bed and get it out and that's what I love about music is that it connects people that are all just struggling that just need a hug and also to remind people that might be feeling suicidal

or feeling like they don't want to be here that there are so many people that loved them that would be heartbroken if they were left behind. It must be really tough to sing songs like that on stage. You're about to go on tour. You're going to be in various countries but then you have to really dig deep to do justice to songs such as that.

I have to like, I've only sung it four times. I did it at the Royal Variety. I did it a few times at Banquet. Then I actually went to Waterloo Station and King's Cross Station yesterday randomly and just sang it because I wanted to go into an environment where I know that people are just going about their normal day and going to work and going shopping or picking up their kids or whatever and they're carrying their grief around especially this time of year

this time of year reminds us of all the people that we wish were still here you know and so I wanted to go to them and be like I'm with you I see you and I feel you and also the people that are walking around with a smile on their face that are thinking I don't want to be here anymore and no one loves me and I just want to remind you that you are loved and that we do want you here So yeah, it's difficult to sing But as I said, I know that I have a purpose And I believe that purpose is bigger than

How I feel about it sometimes And I know that if I can just save One person from feeling that loneliness That's all I care about So we're chatting at the very tail end of 2025 Yes It's been a tough year But also an exciting year

It's actually not been that tough you know Like again, I don't define this year like when you said in there you were like it was this year was supposed to be a comeback and it ended up being it was my comeback and that was part of it do you know what I mean see for comeback see for cancer see for Cornish it all kind of goes together you know like it's just part of it I feel like I feel like I've enjoyed this comeback more because I had breast cancer so like I'm not I don't feel like it took anything away if anything it added a deeper meaning so I'm really proud of this year and I'm so proud of how I've

dealt with it, how my son has dealt with it, my family, my friends, my team, you know, we've shown up. So what are your hopes for next year and beyond 2020? Next year, I'd like to bake a bag of cash, no joke, imagine. No, next year, I'd love to go into stand-up. I would love to do comedy more. I'd love to do film. I'm obviously touring a lot next year.

I want to like, I definitely want to make more music. That's just, I mean, I've got seven, I mean, I haven't written a song for four years, three years very very bad but I know it's all there ready to come out and then in six years time when I release it now I imagine I'm joking I just want to be happy happy sane enjoying what I do calm healthy being as present as a mum as I am at work with some decent tunes out and maybe doing something that challenges me whether it's a book or a children's album or comedy or Broadway or film whatever's going to come will come.

I'm going to come and watch you if you do stander. Come, yeah. That would be amazing. Imagine it was awful. It won't be. Just a silent crowd and me just making really inappropriate jokes. Yeah.

Well, thank you so much for coming into House of Hearst today and being on Just as well. Before I leave you, we do have some quickfire questions. Hit me. I thought you said Jess is well. Oh, Jess is well. Jess is well. Just as well.

I'll match the men's shape properly. So Jemma and I are inviting ourselves to our guests' homes for dinner. But what are you going to cook us? Oh, don't tease me for a good time. Okay, start our, we're having either carrot and coriander soup. With probably some like yogurt flatbreads on the side. Yeah. All homemade ofs.

Or a hulumi salad with spinach and like a honey mustard dressing on peppers. Lovely. So that's the intro. And then for the main course, hmm. I would usually do some sort of like I don't know the main course has changed so much over the years of what I would usually do

sometimes I make meat pies from scratch but vegan ones and they're really nice I'd always do some sort of potato or rice I like wet food there's always got to be a sauce or some sort of gravy but maybe like a chicken also

lemon parmesan situation and then dessert I mean my strawberry cheesecake is good but I don't make it as much as I used to Could make an exception for us. I'll make an exception. Lovely. But I do love a roasted peach with just like some cream or ice cream.

Well, that sounds nice as well. Simple things. Lovely. You're going to a desert island for 12 months, but you can only take one thing. What would you take? I can't. And a charger. That's the best answer we've had.

I was right to say you can't take your son, but I didn't need to say it. No, no, no. he's not coming okay so I can't take my son I would take I think you've answered it oh yeah my vibrator yeah I don't think you can top that

what's the last thing that made you belly laugh oh last thing that made me belly laugh you know what I'm going to expose him here just because I think it's so funny but we went to the Rolling Stones Awards recently and my manager I was talking to Ria Aura's sister and he thought it was Ria Aura because they looked so alike

and he came over to me and went it's just because he's funny as well so it might not seem funny now and he just went what's that real aura and it just the way he said it because I was literally just thinking you've been standing there

for talking to her for legit 35 minutes and I just thought it was so funny and she must have styled it out because I bet it's like no she's beautiful they both of them are so hot and I was just like no that's Eleanor and it just made me laugh

coffee or wine oh neither but wine probably you're not a coffee drinker either no I like a coffee flavour milk but a decaf like a child have you never drunk coffee was that a no it's my heart problem i'm not a caffeine girl oh you're not caffeine girl what's one thing people listening today could do to make themselves feel a little bit better slow down breathe take a second zoom out

don't react leave it for 24 hours that has helped me a lot anytime you're triggered anytime you're mad anytime you're sad anytime you're angry just park it for 24 hours and come back to it and i guarantee your reaction will be more level-headed be calmer be wiser and you might not have even need to you might not even need to react so sensible that's another thing i'm going to take away from this chat i'm terrible for reacting oh i've got some angry thumbs me do you know right well jess thank you so much for coming in thanks for having you i've thoroughly enjoyed your chat really exposed myself didn't i so I have.

I'm really, really grateful and for your honesty and good luck with the album. Thank you so much. If you do stand up, I'm going to come along and I would love to come and see you on tour as well. Yeah, come at any time.

Exciting 2026 for you. Let's go. Thanks for coming in. Next year will be my year.