KGCI: Real Estate on Air - A Tactical Guide to Managing Real Estate Stress in Real Time

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Morning Primer is your weekday boost from Mindset & Motivation Monday—quick, focused, and made for agents by KGCI Real Estate On Air. Give yourself a daily mindset reset for the daily direction you need to show up sharp and ready to win.Start your morning ahead of the market and ahead of your competition every day with KGCI Real Estate On Air. Summary:Performance coach Natnat Bedard provides a practical toolkit for managing the high-stress moments of a real estate career. This episode translates the science of nervous system regulation into simple, actionable techniques agents can use to stay calm and focused during tough negotiations, difficult client conversations, or moments of anxiety. You'll learn specific, science-backed breathing exercises and grounding methods that can be done in your car or between appointments to instantly reduce the "fight or flight" response, leading to clearer thinking and better decision-making. Ready for more? Subscribe now and tap into our Always Free Real Estate On Air Mobile App for iPhone and Android, where you’ll find our complete archive and 24/7 stream of proven real estate business-building strategies and tactics. 

Every day, starts with your mindset. Here's the morning brimer from the mindset and motivation Monday on KGCI, Real Estate on Air. Welcome back, friends. It's another episode of The Mindful CEO. I'm your co-host, Chris Angel, here with our other co-host, Aaron Hendon. Hello, Aaron. Good afternoon, Mr. Chris. How you doing, Bill?

I'm good. It's so fun to be here with you and our friend and guest, Natalie. Do we call you Natalie or Nat Nat? What should we call you? Whatever you feel comfortable with. I love that your website says Nat Nat. That's just fun. I love it. It is. It's totally fun. Nat. It's a totally fun name. And it's really, it's fabulous to have you here, Nat. I just, I love what you're, you know, in our pre-show conversation, what you're bringing to people in terms of having them connect both with their nervous system and their higher self and release, you know, unleashing that into the world is great.

removing the barriers between that and that keep us from being able to do that. So it's a real fit for what the people listening are up to. So thanks so much for giving us your time. Thank you so much for being here. And I know we're going to get into a really playful conversation. Because like you said, in the pre-show, our characters are really meshing and blending really well. So I think it's going to be a real authentic conversation so that the listeners can really see themselves in this conversation and not feel like it's something other than them.

So I think when we have authenticity and we have relatability, that's where the real work can happen with others. Great. Thanks. Yeah. Us too. We think that. We think that too.

Yeah. I love what he's going doing. Yeah. Do you want to do like some background? I mean, Aaron, you had talked about having Nana do some background. Yeah. Why don't you give us a little background about your work and how you got into it, you know, so people can get connected.

to you and your path and your journey. Okay. So my name is Natalie Bedard, nickname Nat Nat, and I appreciate using Nat because the work that I do needs to have some playfulness in it because the realm that I do is regulating the nervous system. I have a company called Lift One's Self, and I am titled as an energy healing specialist. And some people are like, what the heck does that mean? And then a lot of them go and say Riki, and it's like, no, it's similar to Riki, yet I'm just very direct of understanding the nervous system and blending the two of spirituality and humanness. Because sometimes we hear spirituality and people are not acknowledging their human side.

And their human side is their nervous system. It's this intelligent system that allows us to experience this dimension of a world. It's all about frequency and energy that is coming in through our sensory. inputs and it's always recording so sometimes you know you see things directly but in the background it's catching all kinds of things that you may not be aware of so that's why you know the word subconscious that's why it's really important to to really understand your nervous system and understand what experiences can cause these triggers and wounds and activations with that nervous system and when i say activations of the nervous system that's that fight flight freeze or fawn

response. So before there used to be three F, but now we have introduced a fourth F so that people can better understand what's going on in their experiences and why they're not really fully able to access their behavior. And, you know, I know a lot of times people are kind of frustrated with anxiety or frustrated that they're not able to take action with their thing, action in their life or remove certain things. And it's always remembering that your body. is using protection. I understand it can be an inconvenient way of protecting, yet it's in protection. And once you start to understand your nervous system and you befriend your nervous system, that's when you can understand why is it protecting in this way and learn to shift it.

Like I know the big words now is rewiring your nervous system. And to, in order to rewire your nervous system, it requires you to understand your nervous system and how it behaves. and reacts to things. So that's the work that I provide to people so that they have this safety because the nervous system, if it doesn't have safety, you're not going to be able to access it. So you need to have that safe environment so that you can have honesty with yourself. And, you know, what I always do in my podcast is I start off with a meditation so that people can hear a little bit of the frequency of my voice and also see what's possible within themselves.

and it lets them see the kind of work that I provide to people. So would these guys be willing to go into a little guided meditation? That would be great. I love that opportunity. It's good for people. Yeah, we can talk about meditation when we're done because I think it's definitely, you know, like spirituality is a trigger word for people. It calls something up that's an inaccurate view of what we're talking about.

So it'd be great to have the experience of it. And then we can talk about the experience rather than the concept. Yeah. And a caveat, it's only going to be about two minutes or less. So the person doesn't think that we're going into like a 10, 20 minute. And also because people listen to podcasts when they're driving, safety first people, when I'm going to say to close your eyes, please do not close your eyes. I want everybody to be safe around you.

yet the other prompts you're able to follow with whatever you're doing. So Chris and Aaron, I'll ask you to get comfortable in your seating, and you're going to gently close your eyes. And you're going to begin breathing in and out through your nose. And you're going to bring your awareness to watching your breath, go in and out through your nose. You're not going to try and control your breath. I'm just going to let the awareness,

watch the rhythm of it and allow it to bring you into your body. There may be some sensations or feelings coming up. It's okay. Let them come up. You're safe to feel. You're safe to let go. Surrender the need to control. Release the need to resist and just be.

Be with your breath. drop into your body now by now there may be some thoughts or memories that have popped up and it's okay gently bring your awareness back to your breath creating a space between the awareness and the thoughts and dropping deeper into your body just keeping that awareness with your breath and again there may be some thoughts coming up just gently bring your awareness back to your breath creating more space between the awareness and the thoughts and dropping deeper into your body and just staying with your breath now at your own time and at your own pace you're going to gently open your eyes while staying with your breath

So this is a tool I teach my clients to start practicing every day. And so that they can recognize what's in their possession at all times. and that they can start regulating their nervous system, start being responsible of feeling what's going on internally. And a lot of times it's feeling your emotions that we don't even know how to label or recognize or acknowledge. Yet once we start being able to give verbiage of our inner state, that's when you're able to take more power of being responsive,

not reactive to things. I love it. I could feel like in that experience, I could feel the thoughts. I noticed them. I'm in an office with a hallway over here. And I kept imagining people coming over to my door, like that protection thing that you're saying. I'm like, is there a threat to this podcast interview where somebody wants to open the

door? That's just this particular moment. But I was present to just the very much the defense that's always on. On guardness, yeah. Yeah, on guardness. Yeah, right. And so a lot of times we're not aware of what that going on. We just, it's a default that, you know, but when we're surrendering and being in stillness,

then you're aware of this thing protecting and you're aware of how much energy it takes. Because it's like to reel it back in or ignore what it's trying to lure you and be apprehensive. It's like, oh, okay. you know when I learned meditation like in my introduction I didn't mention I almost died 10 years ago I had lesions in my brainstem and in my cerebellum and I was hospitalized for almost 40 days so that gave me a real good inner view of what goes on because the body practically shut down and then I was released without a diagnosis so without a plan of you know how do I get back my health then how do I get back into a state?

And thankfully, a year after that, I learned TM, so Transcendental Meditation. And if anybody that is listening does meditation, when you learn it, they tell you to create a quiet space in your home. Well, I was a solo parent to three boys, and two of them were twins of the age of five. There is no quiet space coming for you. No. So what I had to do was take meditation into the living room onto the couch when the boys were fighting and listening to TV and being rambunctious. And as you said, Chris, that part's like, oh, stop. Like it's too noisy or it's disrupting me.

I could see it. And then I learned to release it that I can still stay with my breath. There's not something that needs my attention or interrupting. And what was really significant for me as a parent, I'm an only child. So I don't know how to relate to sibling rivalry. And if everybody has twins and boys, there's a lot of fighting going on. And I want to stop it because something must be wrong. You shouldn't be fighting.

Like humans and blissfulness should be. And so that allowed me to do my inner work also of seeing like there's something that's not in my direct experience that I'm not able to relate to it. So I'm labeling it as something wrong because it makes me feel uncomfortable. I do my work of being responsible that I'm interrupting. And as I would, I have Padwins because I'm a Jedi. I love Star Wars. And one time I was like, I don't understand your relationship to one of the twins. And he was like, why do you need to understand it?

It's mine and his. It has nothing to do with you. That's great. It's super grounded response. Nice. Yeah. And it was like. like, and if any parent, you know, some parents would be, I need to know.

And it was like, no, I reflected on that. It was like, wait, that is true. Why am I trying to interfere and try to understand? And it's like, whew, that was some humble pie that I had to swallow and really do my inner work of what is being activated inside me with this. And so meditation really allowed me to really see when, like as you said before, we started the meditation, it's gotten a really bad rap meditation because a lot of people think that your mind's going to be silent. And sometimes you can be in that stillness and just be blissful. Yet when your nervous system is dysregulated, you're going to notice them thoughts.

You're going to notice the pull. You're going to notice all these emotions that are coming up and it's feeling really uncomfortable like a tsunami of stuff. Yet that's the whole thing of meditation. There is no perfect meditation. It's being aware. of what's here right now in observing. Yet unfortunately, people think meditation is going to be like a sleeping pill or some kind of antidepressant that's going to make everything go away. And it's like, no, you're actually doing the work to let go of what you think you need to control. It's great, Nat, Nat.

You know, the metaphor that I came up with for meditation and the misunderstanding about meditation, really the grounding for myself about why I do. do the work I do regarding meditation is, you know, especially here on the mindful CEO, that tension between mindfulness and CEOness, you know, the drive to perform, you know, in the 60s, if you saw someone running, you'd think they were running from something because there was no container for running for health. That's not, wasn't a thing until it was a thing. And if you were lifting weights in the 80s, you were trying to. to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

That would be the only context in which weightlifting existed. But now people run and do resistance training all the time. It's totally normal and it's completely accepted and it's not for anything. But there was no container for it until there was a container for it. And meditation is like that. People think of meditation and they think, oh, you're going to be a yogi, you know, or you're going to be a hippie or you're going to be, you're going to lose your drive. I get that all the time.

And no, it's working your brain out. It's actually developmental for the brain. You develop new, you know, gray matter and your prefrontal cortex allowing you to do exactly what you said, which is respond versus react. And you're working your brain out the same way resistance training works out your muscles or aerobic training works out your cardiovascular system. Meditation works out your brain in a way that is. uncomfortable the way running is in the beginning, the way resistance training is in the beginning. It's uncomfortable in the beginning. And, you know, you go to the gym and you, I, now I get to plug. I get, I do crossfits and then where everyone knows, right? And, you know, you do squats on one day

and you're, I can't sit down for that, you know, every time I sit down or get up because my, I've used new muscles. And there's an, you know, the saying at the gym. is you don't, it doesn't get easier, you just get better. And I think that applies to meditation, is that it doesn't get easier. You just get better at that. And that's what you're talking about, about regulating your nervous system. And that's what, that's the physical outcome of meditation. And I love that we did it for two minutes.

And because I think reps matter more than duration. You know, the number of times you do it a day. is more important than how long you do it. So I always coach people. I used to have a random bell on my phone that would ring once an hour that I would stop and do, you know, three slow breaths. And now I just used my texts every time I get a text, right, which is a random bell on my phone. And it also slows me down because my impulse is always to stop what I'm doing,

respond right away versus no one and I just take three breaths and now notice what's there for me about the communication that I just received so it's brought a lot more thoughtfulness and responsibility into my communications which is just it's I think it's a really great practice using interruption as a as a tool rather than as a distraction

what about you yeah i'm just i'm enjoying the the spaces it's moving me through there's something about i i recently moved to vegas eight weeks ago and i have put myself back in an in an environment that is very busy i was i've been self-employed for

15 years and uh and now i'm in a space where it's not my own bubble you know it's like your teenage it's like your uh your your twins you know it's like being around constant um noise or commotion or something and there's a it's interesting just to think erin about the repetitions in a day like to see used to use text the amount of the amount of engagement my life now asks me to be engaged from 7 a.m to 7 p.m. is completely different than it was eight weeks ago and i don't have really related to it like every i'll say interruption is an opportunity to notice.

It's more like every interruption is a chance to react. You know, oh, yeah, there's something, you know, like, oh, what does it need? What does it need? I'll do what it needs. But it's interesting, just this, this balance between mindfulness and drive, CEOness. Mindfulness, CEOness. Anyway, that's kind of what I'm present to right now. The other thing, Nat, Nat, that I heard in what you were sharing afterwards is, and Chris,

you brought this up is that default reaction to whatever's happening shouldn't be happening. You know, the labeling of it is a problem. And that I do that, that we, that we do that, that human beings do that, isn't a problem. It's not a problem in and of itself that we label it as a problem. It's funny, I'm now just working something out. This is because I'm working on a new blog post slash chapter of my book. And it's a, there's a meme where it's a metronome and it's going back and forth.

And the back and forth of the metronome is everything's fucked on one side. And my life is unlimited possibilities on the other side. So it goes from everything's fucked to unlimited possibilities, everything's fucked to unloop of our schools. And, you know, I don't know about you, but my relationship to the everything fucked side is, I can't believe I'm here again. Yeah.

Right? Why can't I just stay in the everything's possible side of it? And I think that orientation to, it's a problem that it goes back and forth is, is in and of itself the problem that it's not a problem that goes back and forth. that metronome that beat is the beat of life is the that's the dance is to it's going to go back as soon as I notice it's and everything's fucked I get to go back to creating something new and that's the advantage of mindfulness is that you get to notice where you are and then even

then when I'm in everything's possible anything's possible I know you know it's going to go back to everything's fucked at some point. It's not ever going to stop. That's not that that is the beat of life. That's the, you know, that's the opportunity. It's what it is to be human. Yeah. It's what it is to be human. It's, it's recognizing that when the nervous system has been activated, it's a negative bias. It's always about looking for problems. It's not looking for solutions when it's dysregulated. So that's why the awareness of being aware that, oh, I'm in this negative bias that you do your work to regulate to come back into your frontal lobe where the solutions and possibilities can arise where that creativity and allow that curiosity to come out

because when everything's not allowing curiosity to go in the unknown and uncertainty you're like oh no like we aren't dealing with any more pain we're not dealing with any more mistakes and mishap and all that i don't want to open my heart i want to be closed yet we know come out of the allegory cave and see that there's a whole bunch of possibilities. But the cave feels safe sometimes. Very easy to be in our negative bias. It's very easy to be in a disregulated nervous system. The work is to regulate your nervous system so you can feel joy, that you can feel an openness and you can feel the expansion. Yet we, like Christ just said, all of a sudden I had control and my house or my space was quiet. Now I'm put into a place where I'm being

disturb 24-7 and I have to come back to my thought processes. I have to listen to this person do this. That's just driving me bonkers. It's difficult to regulate yourself. Yet this is the work that you have to tell yourself you're worth it. You're worth the effort and to come back into the eye of the storm, not be carried around into it. And I get that this sounds easier said been done yet i'm living proof i know what's possible i know shitstorm that i've gone through that i had to implement these tools for myself like learning meditation at the beginning and trying to regulate your nervous system that's very dysregulated that you have an illness then you have twin boys that are going rampant and you bring meditation into living room it's like how can you

be there for and you know i i i did longevity of you know meditating for an hour or Or telling the boys, like, that was when they're older around eight or nine, mummy's going to be silent all day. So she's not going to use any language. So really seeing my inner part of wanting to interrupt or say things and really, you know, hone in and develop my deep listening skills. But these are things that I put myself through to show that it's possible. Because if one human can do it, that means all humans can do it.

like a lot of people think well you know everybody wants to be the great person yet you got to remember if one human can do something that means all of us so we all have a Hitler in us we all have a Malcolm X in us we all have a Trump in us we all have a Harris in us we all have all these different parts it's just what are you going to choose and what are your experiences what are they going to activate in you and I think that's more of the the conversation of let's stop you know judging and blaming and telling people what they need to do. It's like, it's very easy to clean somebody else's house. Are you cleaning up your own house? You know, it's mundane and it doesn't feel satisfying. Yet, the more that you clean your own house, then you're able to have that abundance and you're not so in the, everything's fucked. You can, the environment can feel like everything's fucked.

But inside you, you're like, everything's great. Everything else, I can't control that. yet it's it's creating community like we're doing right now too that we get reminded we're all walking each other home buddy you you stirred off the path like come back over here why are you taking this this other terrain okay well if you want the adventure just remember you can come back over here for safety and laughter and some joy and some playfulness you don't have to do the whole thing by yourself yeah it's awesome did you talk to her about it Walking in? No, no, I didn't. I didn't say the Ram Dass quote, we're all just walking each other. It's one of my favorites. We're all just walking each other home. It's really sort of Chris's motto. And that thing about community. It's one of the big things we're out to build with the podcast is that community of people that are all doing that. You know, Nat, when you were speaking, I had this, you know, in the world of self-development and the world of developing that skill set and the world of doing all that work, you know, there's, you know, we often see it.

as a two-dimensional phenomenon where it's a circle, you know, it's just, it's just going from one space, you know, of everything's fucked to everything's possible. And it just looks like a circle that's not going anywhere. But if you look at it from the side, you can see it's not a circle, but it's a spiral. It's actually moving in an upward progression that you're getting, in fact, stronger. It's not, you're not in the same place. If you do do the work in, you know, this space, in my interrupting space about my house with my kids or in my new job or wherever I am, if I do that work, I am going to get to a new space of possibility that is stronger than the last space of possibility that I got.

And then the new breakdown that that's going to then call forth is going to be a bigger breakdown than the last one. It's not the same problem over and over. It's, in fact, a new problem because a new person is having it. You know, you never step in the same stream twice. you are always getting more and more, the more you practice that, you know, you're just moving yourself up, but it's not, you know, it's a mountain with no top. So there's no there to get to. There's just, am I ready to be power? You know, you know you're ready to be powerful with the next

space because the next space shows up and there you are. Exactly. Exactly. And sometimes it's intimidating. You know, it's, as you said, the spiral, always seeing it from a different view. The view is the same, but you have a different angle and perspective. And what I say about the dimension, I'm aging myself, is Donkey Kong. Did you guys play Donkey Kong when you were younger? Oh, yeah. So, you know, you knew that level, but you never knew what the next level was going to look like. And then all of a sudden you get to the next level and you could get hit with the wheelbarrow and bang down, you go back down to the other level. But you know this one real quick and you get back up and you learn that each dimension has its own skills and

experiences so that you can keep growing. Yet our mind likes to just arrive somewhere and have perfection. I don't want to do this work. Like our monkey mind does not want to do work. It does not want to be interrupted. Just keep me an autopilot and that's all. And so it takes a lot of work to interrupt ourselves to remind ourselves and see what our emotional state is, see where our mind is, actually be present. Like a lot of us, it's like, I know everybody's like, be here now. Physically, we're here, but a lot of times we're in our head. We're analyzing things.

And it's needed for this dimension of a world. It's just being aware, wait, interrupt for a minute. Because time is a tool. It's not a toy. And we tend to forget that. we think we have all this time and we put so much into something that it's like we could have used that to really build those connections with people and really prioritize what's important to us which is it takes you know your permission of how you're creating your story it's easier said than done yet time is a tool i just got present to how much urgency tends to spill into our lives like especially in this space is like I feel like I'm in now where there's like it's one it's never enough there's always the next thing to do it should we should have produced a result faster than we produced

it so how can I produce it faster tomorrow than I did today there's a there's an urgency that kind of takes me out of being present to um it just reminds me of the meditation that we did for two minutes like the the defense the how do I make it faster how do I everything's a response to something should be more urgent than it's happening now And I'm curious your thoughts now on the connection between productivity, because I think, you know, a CEO is like, look, I mean, the game is, the game for me is productivity. That's the game. But what I, what I've been hearing today that's sort of hitting me different is, and Aaron, you said it when you're talking about meditation as I don't know how you said it, but you said it. And I thought, oh, yeah, like, oh, it's an exercise for your brain. And I thought, that's a different context for me about meditation. I actually want to do meditation if it makes my brain stronger.

I was like, that's kind of cool because it could help me with productivity. I'm like, I love that. So can you connect some of the thoughts about how is our nervous system connected to our productivity? Because I think that's an interesting angle. Well, our nervous system is what, you know, gives us the energy. So if it's dysregulated a lot, it's taking out a lot of gas, like a lot of energy to be able to support your neural energy. We understand that we need certain types of food to fuel the brain to be able to be creative and do the things that we're doing.

So what meditation also does is it helps with our dopamine receptors. So it allows it to even go and expand it a lot more. Like social media and technology, unfortunately, I don't know where we had it in our mind that we're supposed to be in competition with technology. It's like technology was supposed to be here to simplify our lives. Yet if you talk to everybody and as you just explain, Chris, everything is urgent and I have to be even more efficient. And it's like, but I thought technology was supposed to do that. Why are we in competition to make everything so efficient in this modern world? I think also too, when you talk about productivity, is it quality or is it quantity?

I think that is a serious question that we have to ask is you can be productive all you want. Yet is it productive in a quality aspect or are you just trying to bounce out everything? And to have quality requires some interruption and some personal space to recalibrate. Yeah, that's good. We have to unplug for a minute to re-see. Did the maps? Did things change? Did our environments, you know, did something happen?

Yeah. But if it keeps spiraling, it doesn't change. Yeah, I agree with that. And I can hear someone who hears. that and says, yeah, but I go home and check out and I am plug, but it's, and then I come back, but then what you come back to, what some could come back to, what I have found myself at times coming back to is, yes, I am plugged, but it was more escape than it was regulating a nervous system, right, than getting back into my body.

It was an escape. And then when I came back tomorrow, it wasn't productive. It was back into the, the rehearsed pattern of urgency. And so I never actually get that separation between that pattern. It's sort of, Aaron, it's your metronom. It's like, I go home and unplug and I come back to urgency. I go home and I unplug and I come back to urgency. But it's not a conscious choice.

It just is the pattern I'm in. Yeah. So when you unplug, what is it that is being done when you're unplugged? What's the question? What's being done? Yes. like what self-care is being done? Depends on when you ask me.

Because the escapism, a lot of times people unplugged, they're like, I'm just going to watch the TV. I'm just going to play on the game. I'm going to have another drink of plant medicine, another couple ounces of plant medicine, Aaron. Well, it's like pretending that junk food is food. I mean, it's like, you know, did I eat? Yeah, I had some McDonald's.

You know, I had some McDonald's. But that's just junk food. That's not nurturing. That's not nourishing anything really, you know, in fact, enough of it will kill you. You know, the guy that just, that did supersize me died, right? Oh, did he? Yeah, Spurlock.

Yeah, yeah. Morgan. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, you know, social media in that way or TV in that way is, it could be analogous to junk food. You're not, you're not, you're actually stunting. You're not, are you, sure, it's not the press. And in some ways, if it's intentional, fine.

You know, nothing wrong with a burger every now and then, you know, or nothing wrong with that thing. Not it's, I'm not, you know, I'm a big burger guy. But the, the, the, at the end of the day, are you, you know, your question about, um, the nervous system and productivity is, it's a direct link. I mean, you know, anybody could relate to and it'd be very difficult. to argue that you are more productive.

You produce more quality work when you are calm, centered, and focused than you are when you're anxious and upset. And even the people that say, I work better under pressure, right, because that's a real common. Sure. Which is true because your nervous system is producing a lot of adrenaline. People are adrenaline junkies. Yeah.

But you're not, but that's, you, you, you don't, you only work better under pressure because you've never learned how to work. Yeah. You don't know any pressure. You don't, you don't have any context for actually performing in, in a flow state. You're not more productive under pressure. You just, that's the only context in which you've ever performed is you've, you know, you were trained as a kid. We were, you know, developed as a kid to put that assignment off till the end. and we produced the assignment.

We thought, okay, well, that worked. And so that's the default path to results. Take it easy. Quit calling me out. Okay, I'm just saying that's the default path to performance. That was my secret sauce, man. That was my recipe. Yeah, it was personal to you, right?

Yeah. But that's only because we never really mastered what it is to be centered and grounded and present and aware, because that actually takes intentionality to do. And, you know, it doesn't take anything to throw a box of mac and shit. cheese on the grill, which, you know, which is fine. You got three kids and you, fine. You know, that's what you got time for. It's not a judgment about it. It's just, let's not pretend that that is nourishing. It's being honest. And I don't think we have cultivated a space for us just to be honest and call ourselves out. We put on the mask and these perceptions of what presents really

good. So other people will admire us. People will validate us. people will and we can't admit to error because error in society means like you're not good enough and we don't want to feel that anymore so let's just pretend something that we're not yet when you can call yourself out and say you know what this is what i'm doing to myself yeah yeah when you allow that space that's when the elephant can come out of the room and say okay are you willing to try something different but until you come to that space to be honest with yourself you're looking to other people, call me out, call me out, that is your responsibility. But you have to create that safety space of, you know what, I'm trying, but I don't even know how to access

this. Well, are you being honest? Like, you may want something, yet is it needed? Like you said, when you said, I'm plugged, I'm like, oh, okay, so off all technology. But that's why I asked, well, what does unplug mean for you? Because some people think unplug is just the work. But they don't realize. Technology ramps up a nervous system. Social media is fear porn. It's the nervous system and fear gets so ramped up. It doesn't know how to differentiate that this is an its experience. You see somebody being shot. You watched the presidential election last night, all that stuff. Everything's getting activated. And then you want to come to your lane and your work and think that that's not impacting it. It is.

but being able to call ourselves out and create the tools of you know what little by little how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time yes you know productivity CEOs you want transformative change right away but we all know like ripping something apart doesn't happen overnight it's little by little and it's really how holding an accountability stick towards yourself of you know what the change that i need to do this change as difficult as it is and as mind-fucking as it is, let me do this change. Yet don't do it alone. Find an accountability partner that will encourage you of reminding you, you know what, you're worth this effort of change. Because we get to benefit when somebody is not anxious and all in their dysregulated nervous system, yes, it's good for them, but it's also good for us because we get to actually see you in your natural state,

not this mask evolution that we create. And the thing about that mask of illusion is, and Chris, the thing about productivity reminds me of the John Wooten, coach of UCLA basketball for many years, never confuse being busy with being productive, that we often think just because I'm doing a lot of stuff that I'm actually producing the results. but, and I think, Chris, the thing that is critical that we haven't mentioned yet, but you're a master of is the vision that you're out to fulfill. Are you being productive in terms of fulfilling what you're out, really what your life is for? And, you know, as a mom of three, Nat Nat, or Chris, as someone accountable for the fulfillment of the agent's lives for whom you coach, you work with, you know, are you really being productive and how and then you've got to come up with the measures of what that looks

like because you know otherwise you wind up in a world where you you made a million dollars this year but you're exhausted you're wiped out and you're getting divorced you know or you've lost that's was that productive i mean it is by the measure of the bank account but it's not by the measure of what you would want at the end of your life yeah so or without the vision without the why there's no way to get an answer to the question of what's productive. You've got to have it against a background about what you're out to fulfill in the world, which and nobody on their deathbed has ever said, I can't believe I'd enclose two more deals.

Nobody has ever said that. That's not something people say. So, you know, without that presence, which is what, you know, where we started Nat Nat with taking two minutes just to breathe, is critical because it recenters you to, okay, this is my life. This is my life. Now, what direction do I want ahead? Which is really responding versus reacting because reacting is I got to answer that

email. I got to pick up the phone. I got to handle this interruption versus, okay, what's the next action that's going to fulfill what my life is for. And more often than that, breathing and being centered is the action that's going to fulfill what my life is for. It's like, oh, being centered, being here now, looking at the flower in the garden, you know, this may be the task oriented side of me or the, and I'll just say it in case anybody listening is thinking it. But I think like, okay, so if I sit down tonight and I do two

minutes like we did at the start of our show today and then I'm done and I'm like I noticed my breath I noticed where my defense is kicked in I went came back to my breath but and so I did it I did my wad Aaron I did my workout of the day for my brain my crossfit brain exercise and and now what do I do well that's it now I'm bored and now I'm sitting there going like I guess I'll go back to social because at least that gives me but you but you but you could but that the The point is, so as you do that more and more, as you practice that, right, you are literally, this is not, I'm not making this up, I'm not asking you to invent this like a context. This isn't like, well, let's see. This is like, you know, Nat Nat's lesions disappeared. This is the science of your brain grows new neuronal pathways. You are literally changing your brain.

It's not, you are literally getting a new cardiovascular capacity. You're getting a new. muscle growth, you're getting a new brain. So the answer to the question, what do I do now? Will naturally come. It will be a different answer six months from now after doing the practices than it is today. Yeah. You'll have a different orientation towards it. There'll be, and it's inescapable. It's not like optional. It's not like, well, it works for some people or it doesn't work for others. You know, meditation is over 2,500 years old. This isn't like, oh, well, just rolling out this new thing here called meditation. They didn't discover the neuronal pathway shit, the neuroplasticity stuff till, you know, 50 years ago. But it's science-based and

time tested. It's both. You see, I think you said a great word, Chris, is boredom. People don't know how to be in boredom. Everything needs to be structured and have productivity and it needs to, you know, have something attached to it where when you do the meditation, if you can allow yourself to be in boredom, and like I said, I have Nat Nat to be in play, unstructured play. Let yourself do something that would bring enjoyment for yourself. Do something new so that it helps your brain to develop too, because when we do new experiences, it activates certain parts of our neurons to look for problems and find solutions.

So find unstructured, unstructured play of whatever that may look like that you usually don't think you have time for, yet this is your time to actually do it. Because when you have more play, then you have more creativity and you're able to be more productive. But we don't to do those kind of things as an adult because if you have children, you'll tell them be bored and go find something to do.

Go play. It goes back to, Chris, the thing that I just got from Esther Hicks when I was just there. Not, Nat, do you do Abraham? Do you know Abraham and Esther? You know, the thing she just started talking about, or I just started hearing was soothing is solving, is that space of self-care, that space of, you know, soothing.

What, what, you know, that question, what do I do now? Well, what would, let's, I don't, you know, the do now is, is it going to produce a result or is it going to not? Generally, the context, the framing of that question versus, okay, what am I going to do now that you could ask what's going to soothe me now, right? My not my favorite soothing, you know, I mean, I have a couple of things that I do for soothing that generally don't fall in the, you know, this falls inside that normally soothing in this context. People are like, well, you're going to be a hippie, you're going to meditate longer or whatever. No, I, bourbon and a cigar and a Seahawks game. That's soothing.

That is completely my happy place. That's, and that for me is unplugging and taking care of myself. And I, you know, I feel recharged and refreshed and like, but that's my path. Some people like to go for a walk at the woods. Some people, you know, want to go sit on the beach and why, but whatever it is, whatever it is for you that's soothing. That's, and that then turns off. the default drive to produce some fucking result right now, which isn't ever productive, really,

because it doesn't ever really fulfill on what matters to you, really is a human being. And if you're not even of a demand of the hypothetical answer to the question, well, that would leave me with, what do I do now? Get there and ask the question. You know, breathe for two minutes and then ask the question, and it'll be a different answer than the hypothesis. ethical answer you'd come up with now like you're going to try and poke a hole in it and not do it because

I'm afraid that the you know like no no no do the work and then ask the question I think you know because you know when you're a meditator you understand this but somebody that hasn't they won't understand what do the work means so some of them kind of need a prescription of okay well when I get here what else can I do to you know implement this and that's why I say like play but find out what it is in your question like esther said what soothes you like do you chris i like shopping okay good i like shopping so anything else uh i like bourbon i like i like watching youtube videos once last time you went for a massage uh i had one a week ago but it had been a year before that before before that had been over a year

And I like massages. It was great. I love massages, yeah. So re-implement it back. Because what you may not realize, you said that you just moved eight years ago. I mean, eight weeks ago. Yeah. You're going through some grieving also.

You've got excitement of going somewhere new, but you also left a place. So that means there's some grieving because it was loss. And so all of that, we don't take into consideration how it has an impact on, you know, the nervous system and our experiences and our emotional temperament because you don't have time for that. I don't got time to really pay attention to that, but it's hijacking certain parts. You know, you matter and taking care of yourself

is what will bring more productivity. It's great. It's great. All right, good. Well, we should end there. End on that. Taking care of yourself is great. Nat, Nat, if people want to get a hold of you

and your offerings and what you provide for people? What do they, what should they know? My website is called liftoneself.com. So that's L-I-F-T-O-N-E-S-E-E-L-F. And they can go on to my website, go on for a 15-minute discovery call to see if we can work together. I'm presently writing my book,

so hopefully that will be out by early of 2025. And I'm also creating courses so that we can do it in a community, to understand the nervous system and mindfulness and meditation and, you know, start giving yourself permission of taking care of yourself and what does that really look like? Because I think a lot of people hear theories, but they're like, well, where's the practicality? You know, I got three kids that are under two and how am I going to really take care of myself? So it's really finding the way for them in their experience, not just labeling in a certain way and seeing what is possible

that their mind may not know. So, yeah, that's where they can find me. And I have my own podcast called Lift OneSelf, and they also can find me on the socials under Lift One Self, where I leave little gems of nuggets of wisdom and practical tools that they can use in their every day. Awesome. Thanks, for being on the show.

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