KGCI: Real Estate on Air - Unleashing the Legend with Frank Zummo

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

This is Unleash Your Inner Legend, a podcast featuring modern day legends, sharing their life choices, habits, and routines that got them through where they are today. Get ready to be inspired and to take massive action to unleash your inner legend. What's going on, everyone? I am here with Frank Zumo from Sun 41. What's going on, Frank? How are you? I'm just on tour. We just kicked off our U.S. tour.

We have a day off in St. Louis right now. That is awesome. Yeah. So you guys just kicked it off like you said. How's it going so far? Really good. We kicked it off at the Latter Than Life Festival, which was incredible. What a way to start a tour.

It was just like, I mean, it was like 30,000 people and we just got to play with some rad bands and it's just a really cool way to start. And then we dove into, we've done two shows so far of our Order and Decline World Tour. And it's been amazing. We're doing a really long set. And it's, you know, we're promoting the new record, but we're also doing the 15th anniversary of Chuck. So it's a beast of a set. We have Chuck, we have the new record, we have, you know, all the other songs through the career, a whole new production.

It's just been really, really fun. It's going really well so far. And we're out on this tour until Halloween. And then we go to Canada and start up with the offspring. We're doing three weeks with the offspring in Canada, and then we come back to America to finish, like, the other cities that we haven't hit on America and do a couple of radio shows and stuff like that. That's awesome. So there's a lot going on. And I feel like as you, as an artist, progress and become more professional, you think of it more of like a business versus just a gig.

So let's talk about, like, tour prep. What do you do to mentally and physically prepare for all that? Because, you know, you're getting out of that routine, the day-to-day routine. and I know mentally and physically you guys will be tested. So how do you prepare for that? It's a good question. I mean, you know, we had been off the road for a couple months, you know, making a record. And we started up in March this cycle doing like festivals all around the world.

And then like a small, intimate club tour. So we kind of started like easing into it before a full on tour. which was good just to get back into the routine, you know, because it's crazy. You know, you're off the road even for a week and you do a show back and it's just that it feels so different. You know, it's just such a weird chemistry that your body has with just, you know, the physical part of it and just even the mental and all that. But we had about five weeks off before this tour started and I just really started like training and preparing, you know, over that whole time. because it's a lot, especially just being a drummer. You know, it's like being an athlete.

So just the training that I was doing, you know, with just running the set drumming on my own and all the physical and just the health routine, you know, because it is a lot. We're playing almost two hours a night. So you really do have to have your shit together, you know, and really plan it out. And, you know, you kind of fall into,

everyone's got their own routines, you know. And like my whole thing is, you know, I just try to be as physical, as healthy as possible, get enough rest, just really take care of myself and be in tune with my body, you know. And the only hard part now is just having a family, you know, and having, you know, babies and stuff like that, that's the hard part because we miss a lot. And it's just finding that balance of, you know, making sure that you are facetiming multiple times a day, that you're not missing any of the, you know, important moments.

you know like I literally was warming up you know two days ago watching my son in baseball practice you know I watched his whole practice and then I watched the game the next day and you know just being there and he saw me on the phone and he was stoked you know because that's something that we were doing together and I wasn't there and I just wanted him to still feel like I was there so it's just like the family stuff is definitely the the balance point you know all of us pretty much have kids now or about to have kids and wives and fiancés and all that so it's just like, you know, balancing that. I don't go any more than three weeks without seeing the kids and my wife. You know, we've figured that out. And, you know, that's just, that's the hard part.

You know, now that once I started having a family, that was the hard part. You know, the towing all that, you know, we get to, you know, do what we love to do. And, you know, the fans make the show really easy because the energy is just so insane. It makes what we're doing almost effortlessly because Just the energy in the room and the vibe, you know, but again, it's just about just taking care of yourself and just being really in tune with your body and, and, you know, just being the best that you can to be able to put on that show that the fans deserve every night. That's awesome. And I know, like, it's a shift of priorities. It goes from, like, you guys having fun to, okay, it's treating it like a business. It's doing it, you know, for the fans.

But then also, like, instead of going out that night or doing whatever, making sure. you're rested so that you can connect FaceTime so that you can do all that things. I love, love that. That's awesome. That's a great, like, I don't know. People think of the stereotypical rock stars. And then here you guys are like actually focusing on the top priorities so that you can enjoy both, you know, the artist's life as well as the family life.

That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, 100%. I mean, we've all had our fun and raged. And I feel like me personally that chapter, you know, I get it. it was the greatest I had so much fun, you know, and you're younger then. You know, you can recover easier or you just don't even think about it, you know, and, you know, I want to do this forever, you know, so I need to make sure that happens and, you know, take care of myself.

I mean, yeah, we have fun and, and all that shit, you know, it's, it's so fun, you know. you know and everyone you know does their own thing and and you know what not i just i just chose to you know move on from just the you know the insane uh part and like you know basically the way to like book end this is like you know i got to be a motley crew for two weeks you know and i was in the fucking that inspired me to do it and i got to live that lifestyle and it was everything you could think of and then some and kind of after that i was like okay i'm good like i did it Everything you read about in the books and whatever, like, I got to live this and be in this band for two weeks. Like, I'm pretty good now.

Like, you know, I'm good with just not, you know, it was a good kind of send-off in a way, you know. Yeah, that's awesome. Did you watch their, the movie, the dirt that they, that was inspired through them? I did. You know, I obviously read the book and I've read, you know, the guys own books, love them. And, you know, they did a really good job with, you know, with, you know, with, you know, with, that in the actors they got and everything, it was good. It was definitely cool.

And, you know, I'm just, I know they were talking about it and working it for so long. It's just really awesome to see it happen for them. And, you know, that was kind of like their final piece in their history. And it was really cool to watch them achieve that and bring that book to life because it's a hard thing. It is. That's so awesome. So, you know, you just mentioned earlier that you guys had dropped order in decline. Now this is going to be your second album.

Is that correct? Recording with the band? Yeah, it's my second album in the band. And completely different experience, you know, this time around. Because the first time around, I literally got in the band and went in the studio and started making, you know, 13 voices. And it was all new. It was all new.

We were learning how you work together with the band that's been going for a long time. You know, just mentioned Derek, go through. his recovery and all that stuff. It was a very intense kind of frantic process, you know, and it came out great. The touring was incredible, you know, on that cycle. This record was different because we, you know, the relationships and everything had grown so much

and we had grown so much as players together from touring so much that it was like just such a vibe. I mean, getting in the studio all together and, you know, doing rehearsals and lighting sessions. and making the record. Like, it was just such a really amazing experience. And, like, the songs were so down. And when I went in the studio to do drums,

it's like I had done so much work with the band that I knew those songs, like, as well as, you know, us playing Fat Lipp every night. So we got to go in the studio for a week and do drums and really take time getting sounds and recording through, you know, tape and doing all these amazing things to really focus on getting the most epic sound.

And, like, the recording part was, like, cool, this do three takes. And then let's, let's see. sneak out on sounds and drums and you know all that kind of stuff so it was just a really cool experience and literally around this time last year is when I was doing drums for the record because we ended our cycle at riofest in Chicago and I went home you know had a day off and then went in the studio and did drums like we secretly you know start that whole process in the studio and it was like pretty much a year ago almost to the date and now to have you know the record out and to be touring

it's it's pretty awesome you know just the whole experience was really great in every way. That's awesome. Well, you guys definitely knocked it out of the park with this album. It's amazing for sure. Thank you. So let's talk about your journey as a drummer. What influenced you to pick up the drumsticks? So it's kind of like a two-part thing. My parents were in a band together and my dad played drums. My mom's day in the apartment in New York that my my parents had the drums were set up in a room in the house and my parents said when I was like either two or three I just walked away from the dinner table and the next thing they heard was me playing drums like I just kind of found him and discovered them on my own and then that was kind of it my dad gave me his that drum set which I actually still have to this day and I used it on some of the new sum 41 record which was like talk about a full circle amazing thing we you know I that was it he He gave me his record collection of hair headphones and said, have that's kind of what started it for me.

But when I was five years old, my parents took me to see Ozzie and Motley crew in the arena in Long Island, New York. And when Motley came on stage and I was in like the nosebleed seats, calmly like I just, I was so captivated by him and how much he like made the drum. and, you know, stand out and how much of a performer he was. I, like, I knew at that moment when I was five that this is what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. So that's kind of like the two things that literally locked it in for me and, you know,

how I got my start. That's amazing. So drumming was pretty much in your DNA, like, before. Like, you literally was, that was the life you lived before you were probably potty trained. That's amazing. Yeah, and my mom was on stage singing, like, up until I was born, you know. So, like, I was on stage, you know, And I think that really did play a big part into it.

And like we, you know, talk about full circle when my wife was like, you know, a couple days before our due date, you know, for our first baby, we went to the Motley final, you know, tour. And, you know, she was there at the show and the baby was just like from all the vibrations. She was just like doing somersaults in her stomach. And it was just cool. Like we always try to have, you know, when she was pregnant with our kids like around music and all that. And then, you know, my oldest son, you know, on our last tour cycle, I mean, he was raised on that tour cycle. He was all over the world on that cycle, which is pretty amazing to have pictures of like, you know, an infant in fucking Germany and stuff. It's pretty cool that, you know, that, you know, I've been able to do that, you know, with my kids.

And it's just funny, like, my son, because he's, you know, growing up with that, he doesn't, he thinks that's just like how it is. Like, you go to a show, you get to be, you know, sides. You get to go play the drums at sound check and all that. And his favorite band's 21 pilots. And I took him to see their show in LA at like maybe the beginning of the year or something like that last fall. And in the middle of the show, he just starts crying. And I'm like, dude, what is what's the matter?

And he's all, I want to go on stage and say hi to them. I want to play the drums. And I'm like, oh, my God, he thinks that because that's what he does at daddy shows. You could do this at, you know, shows. I'm like, that's just how he thinks. And I'm like, no, bud, you can do that at daddy shows, but not the show. which is so funny that that's just how he thinks it is. It's already ingrained in his head that like that's normal.

So possibility for him being a musician and what he could do with that is like literally limitless because there's no already limiting beliefs that you as a parent has instilled with in him. And that's incredible. I'm excited to see kind of that evolution of generation musicians come through. We for sure have a band right now. like with all the Sun 41 babies, we have a band for sure with all the kids. So, I mean, it's funny when I got in the band, Cohn was the only one that had a baby. And now it's like everyone has babies, stepkids, or about to have babies.

So it's wild. You know, second album, in with the band, there's just like a plethora of babies. It's awesome. That is awesome. So with your son being kind of gravitating already towards the drums, are you going to teach him? Or are you going to allow him to kind of be self-taught like you are? you know I'm I'm down for really whatever naturally happens or if you know if he does want to sit down and learn or if he'd be better off going to like a school of rock and learning from someone who isn't me like I'm down for whatever like my dad didn't teach me one thing because he was more of a hobby drummer and he was pretty much self-possed I feel like he didn't want to teach me anything wrong or you know he didn't know well enough so he kind of just let me discover and then brought me to you know, I had lessons at a drum school.

So, yeah, I think whatever, you know, whatever happens, like he now will just, you know, he's got, like, miscellaneous drums in his room and he'll just go on or ask me to put on a 21 pilot song, just whale away along. I mean, he's definitely got rhythm, you know, and the passion to be, and he might not be a drum. He might be another musician or whatnot, but he definitely, I think, wants to be on stage and he really likes that part of it, you know? I mean, it's just from now, who knows, he could be a freaking heart surgeon for all we know.

But it's, you know, and I will support him no matter what he is, as long as he's passionate about what he chooses to, you know, do, which is how my parents were with me. That's awesome. So, you know, it's now that you have a family and kids and you're thinking about legacy, I'm sure, at this point in life, because it goes from, you know, having fun and doing it for the fans to now you're thinking of other priorities like your family. what is your current way to document your legacy is it going to be like video audio text I mean video is amazing um because it's just you know it's timeless and it just shows like moments um through your life and and you know whatnot but as far as like leaving a legacy or any of that kind of

stuff like the biggest thing I I you know you know my biggest thing is I want to You know, when we as artists have this spotlight and there's this many people, you know, looking at you, you know, at shows and social media and whatnot, I like to use it as a positive thing and try to inspire the youth and all these upcoming, you know, artists, whether they're, you know, any kind of, you know, even if they're just trying, you know, whatever they're passionate about, basically. And I've been going all over the world with band shoes and SJF drums and doing these kind of work. shops where they're motivational um you know I speak I perform we bring local um drummers and bands you know these upcoming you know anywhere from kids to teenagers um we would give them the stage they perform um and then you know I'll go talk we'll do a whole Q&A like break down the barriers because you know with some 41 we're on such a tight schedule I don't get to have that interaction, you know. So this is kind of like, let's hang, ask me any question, let's have one-on-one

time, and then I'll jam with all the kids at the end. And it's been inspiring and motivating so many kids. And that's been like the greatest achievement in my life. And it's called Lulls for the craft tour. And I've done three of them now throughout America and China. And, you know, that to me is the greatest thing. Like I would love for, to be remembered by like, you know, motivating inspiring people you know I had people like that in my life and I'm trying to make events and places where kids can go and feel welcome and just have this environment and you know I just think that's really important you know and we as artists like I'd rather you a all the eyes I mean rather use it for that then

sit there and preach about what I think my politics are or this or that like you know I'd rather use it for something super positive and inspiring because the youth is the most important thing ever, you know? Yeah, absolutely. That's an amazing, like, I don't know, I applaud you for that, for using and understanding the power of your platform and not using it for selfish purposes, but to turn around and really instead of complaining and bitching about the problems of the world,

but really going out there and changing the people who are going to be the world whenever they become adults. So that's amazing. Totally. Thank you. Yeah, that's the goal. I love it. So you've been a professional drummer.

are obviously your whole entire life. And you've gone from doing it as a kid to even filling in for Tommy Lee and now, you know, obviously being a full-time member of a band. Does the mental and physical prep change between like a fill-in and then full-time? It's, you know, it's all different. And, you know, with a lot of the fill-in work that I've done, you know, I got to work with, you know, Scott Weiland and Gary Newman and. Motley crew and stuff, there was no rehearsal.

These were tours that were happening. And, you know, it was like, you got to show up and you got to play these songs like you've been on, you know, playing with them for years because those artists don't want to be, you know, thrown for a loop like what's going on back behind me and take them out of their gig and their mindset. So, you know, that was my goal coming into those situations being like, you know, you know, know, I have to just make like I've been here the whole time and make them feel the support and all that. And, you know, that's kind of like the reason why I would get all these gigs was

like, I got a reputation with an industry of being like, you know, you're in an emergency or you need a drummer last minute, you know, Zumo will come in and nail this and, you know, not having any issues. And that's something I worked really hard at. I mean, I spent my entire child, my parents' basement, playing to my favorite records from front to back, you know, learning all these different styles to going to, you know, drum school, like private drum school instead of traditional college and stuff. It's, you know, something I worked really, really hard at. And then, like, to be in some 41, you know, you're talking about learning a band's entire catalog, because we do deep cup, we throw in a lot of shit, learning, you know,

how Derek is as a front man to know his body language to support him when we're doing all different kinds of, you know, breakdowns and intros and whatnot. And, you know, replacing a key member. So, you know, big shoes to fill and stepping in. So there was a lot of, you know, pressure. And you just got to come in and do your things, you know, not let the mental part ever mess with you because the second it does, it's like you're done. You know, it's just any or anything, it's just, it's not good, you know, go in and just say, I'm going to be me, I'm going to do what I've practiced my whole life for, and just be yourself and be true. And the fans are going to, you know, they're going to feel that. They're going to feel the realness. If you're going in there and fakeness

and shit, you don't get far in that. People see right through that bullshit. So, you know, it's been, you know, that's part of my journey, you know, everything. And, you know, now even being, going on, you know, I've been doing the last year, like a whole new, like, a slow project, and that's been pretty amazing, you know, from doing all that stuff with the kids and all the stuff that inspired me to just, you know, create music on my own and work with amazing artists, DJs, songwriters, producers, and, and work on, you know, a whole, like, solo project that's been so amazing, you know, and even working with these DJs, I've been working with, you know, Paiso and Kurella being part of that whole world and, you know,

being almost like a musical director for, you know, K-Zone and all that, that's been amazing too. And I just, I love to challenge myself and do so many things, um, to just keep me on my toes and to play so many different styles and, you know, and just drum, you know, it's, it's just who I am and it's just incredible to be able to do this and at this capacity. I love that. And I love how intentional you have been, um, from the get-go, like you said, you don't go to college, you go to professional driving school. So outside of really being an intention.

with who you are as a professional and bringing up that integrity of your brand of your personal brand of your name, what insights would you give to other artists in regards to establishing those connections and networking so that you can get the opportunity to prove yourself to other people? It's a great question. It's what I tell the kids, you know, like, it's the same thing I tell the kids because I always get asked that question.

Like, how could I, you know, be up there? It's like you just do it, you know, and I'm proof of that. out. It's like you just, you set your goal, you set your path, and you don't stop until it happens, and just stay on that path, stay passionate about it, be true to it. And it's not about luck or this or that. It's going to happen, you know, and it's like we, you know, you ask about social media. It's like there's so many negatives to it, but use it for the positive place. You have a platform now to put yourself, you know, whether you're an artist, you know, a painter or a singer or whatever it may be, and you can put yourself on there,

and you never know who's going to see it. And that's my advice is, you know, everyone wants to put up content, content, content. It's like anything you put up there, even though you want to get shit up every five minutes, make sure that it represents you to the best of your craft because you never know who's going to be looking at it. There are musicians now getting bans and getting gigs in the biggest bands

because of a video they put up on Instagram or YouTube. That's a new way to audition. I mean, I run true drum courts, my percussion company that I started 15 years ago. And like, our auditions now are people send us on their phones. They'll shoot a video or we'll go to their Instagram page or whatever and see what videos they put up. And we can tell right away if they have what it takes to be in the street drum core. You know, so it's like use it to your advantage. Always make sure it represents you to the best capacity.

And just don't get, you know, get wrapped up in. in the negativity of it. You know, it's, I'm a product of it too. I'll put up, you know, something and then you'll get haters and all these internet bully cowards. It's like you just have to look past that and not let that, you know, ever, ever bother you because that's just these jealous people who sit at home on their computers. And it's like, you know, I challenge you to get up and do this and, you know, make something instead of sitting here being a coward and writing some shit, you know.

And those are the same people you'll see on the street that'll kiss your ass. And but, you know, they would never say that to your face. You know, it's just like the funny world that we live in now, the balance of all that shit. But it's like, you know, use it as a positive thing and to your advantage to promote yourself because it's a brilliant way. You know, when I was coming up, we didn't have any of that, you know. And it's like, I'm not even that old. And it's like how much technology has changed from when I was coming up, you know, I had to go wait in the cattle call audition line.

Now that barely happens anymore. know it's just it's crazy yeah it's a it's a strange time that we live in and I'm I'm loving it because it's funny because I was thinking in my head is like I wanted to ask you regarding the changes of that you've witnessed within the industry you see it going from even like cassettes to CDs to MP3s and streaming so what would you what would you say as an artist to be aware of so that you evolve as an artist and adapt to changes in technology to keep you relevant versus becoming a dinosaur and just kind of dying off. Yeah, I mean, embrace change.

There's nothing wrong with that. It's all part of evolution, you know, from the beginning of time to now. And the only thing is just with that, just stay true to who you are and what you are and what you do. You know, I mean, I think Sun 41 is a perfect example of that, you know, we make music that comes out of us. We don't sit around and have a meeting and talk about this record is going to be this sounding record, just what comes out, especially what Derek is feeling at the time,

and it just all comes together, and we never know what it's going to be like, you know, until the end. And, like, you know, it's in the scene that Sun 41, you know, came from, a lot of those bands are just, you know, going for super pop radio, you know, now. Everyone's just chasing that radio hit.

And literally, I don't think half the drummers even play on the records anymore. It's all just they don't write their songs anymore. It's just, you know, this whole thing. And we've gone on the complete other past. And like this record is one of the heaviest records of bands ever made. You know, and it's like, it's just that's what came out with us. It wasn't a talked about thing. It's not like, we're going to make a heavy record.

It just happened that way. And it's pretty cool that the Chuck record is before this, the heaviest record of some 41. And we're kind of touring both those records right now. So it's just a fucking heavy set, which I love because I come from the heavy world. And it's just so fun drumming-wise. But, you know, it's just evolve, but stay true to what you are and don't fucking chase trends and never because that shit comes and goes. And you don't want to, you know, fall victim to that.

You know, it's not very hard. I think it's kind of human nature, right? as children were taught to just by, you know, within associations to try to be the popular kid or try to get the most likes or try to whatever it is now that people aim for. And I know, I feel like maybe that's why a lot of artists get so burnt out so quickly is because they chase after that and they figure out their why and they forget their purpose as to why they even started. What keeps you from being burnt out as an artist from doing it for so long?

I don't, yeah, that just. It doesn't even register because I get to do what I love and am as passion about it as when I first, you know, picked up drumsticks, you know, I just music is me. I love music. The fact that I get to do it and and the fact that it can support a family and that this has become a job, which is like hysterical. It's like a job because it doesn't feel like a job, you know, which is, which is, you know, I wish everybody, you know, it's like my only, like if I could have a wish for the world, I wish everybody could do what they really are passionate about because so many people work to just support and do things they don't want to have to do and never kind of pursue their dreams or whatever.

And I wish everyone can do that because I don't know what that's like because I've just, I've done this forever and somehow it's magically worked out that like it's been able to provide and put food on the table and all that. Like, wow, a bonus of it, you know, because I don't, I don't know what anything else would be because it's just my passion that I'm still, you know, I feel like I've only just begun. Like I'm still more passionate than ever, more inspired trying to, you know, the goal, I've, you know, I have so many more goals to achieve. But yeah. I literally love your mindset. I love the authenticity. I love how everything you are just,

you do it with gratitude. It sounds like and very intentional. And it's definitely translating through, not only just showing you as a great artist, but as a great person. So I applaud you as being the positivity in the music industry. So that's awesome. Thank you. And I'm just really trying to, you know, I'm just trying on this tour. I just, I feel like I have a more clear, you know, outlook. And I feel like, you know, it's just I'm trying to be way more present.

Just in the moment, you know, like just before this tour, like just the, you know, the, you know, time I had with my family and with, you know, people that were, I was training with and whatnot that really inspired me, you know, I was just like, you know, with, you know, literally not being on your phone for, you know, like I saw the greatest fucking quote the other day. Everyone said, what if social media shut down like the bank at six o'clock and you couldn't get on until 7 a.m. again. And I was like, yeah, you don't have to fucking be on it. You know. for 24-7 and have these devices ruling us like be present be in the moment and you know do you work when you have to allocate the time to it but like just just you know because we live in this you know

these machines are really in our lives like yes they're they're great for the technology aspects and how we can you know do our banking and how it can track us at the gym and all this great you know great shit but it's like i don't know i'm just my outlook has changed and i'm just trying to even engage our fans even more than ever, you know, like engage and have that time and, and connect more, even when I'm on stage, I'm just trying to look at, you know, everybody could see and look them in the eye and smile at them and just connect with them. And, you know, it's something I feel like just we all got a little lost with just because of just the overwhelming influx of social media and this and that and that. It's just like, I'm just trying to have a different

outlook now. And it's, it's been working incredible. Like, I just feel like a change person. which is silly because like the way we always used to be but it's like I don't know I just encourage everybody to just try to be more fucking present you know and and enjoy life over here because we live in a crazy fucking world right now and never know what could happen anymore it's crazy you know so that's my only little a bit I love it and it's it's awesome that you're going through and sharing that message with people because it seems so basic it seems so elementary but people get caught up in that they they try to fill that void that they have

through likes or numbers or comments or whatever instead of actually working on themselves. And don't get me wrong, social media is amazing. But I feel like we lose sight on utilizing it for our advantage. And, you know, like you said, taking it as an opportunity to showcase you as professional or, you know, aspiring artists so that people like you could identify them and spot talent, utilizing it for being intentional, posting with purpose and not just doing it to keep in an algorithm them or being it just to keep up a lifestyle that you're trying to display. I just love everything you're doing and the message that you're providing to all the

youth. That's amazing. So before I let you go, what do you guys have in store for 2020? I mean, just touring. We're going to tour, you know, full bowel through. I mean, we have to tour the world. So we're just, you know, because we've only done festivals and, you know, in Japan, Australia, and Europe. And so, yeah, we just, we got a lot of places to go to support this record and the Chuck anniversary. So we're just going to be torn through 2020. And then I'm going to be, you know, trying to fit in some more of the Loyal to the Craft drum clinic tours, hopefully in between that time. And just doing my solo stuff.

I'm going to be releasing more music in 2020, more solo shows. I literally was in the studio every day when I was home working with so many amazing people on a bunch of music that I'm so excited about. So, yeah, just more shows and touring between, you know, the projects I'm involved in in some 41. And, you know, I love it. So, yeah, I mean, it's just beginning, which is crazy. I'm going to get a long road ahead, which is awesome. That's so awesome and we'll definitely be on the lookout for all those tour announcements and all the things that you guys are doing.

And I appreciate you taking the time today to share with us and then be authentic and real. Definitely appreciate that. Thank you. I hope you enjoyed this episode of Unleash Your Inner Legend. For more inspiration, make sure to subscribe by going to Unleash Your Inner Legend.com. We'll see you guys next week.