Know Thyself - E196 - Dr. Vasant Lad: The Doctor From India: The Forgotten 5,000-Year-Old Science of the Human Body (Ayurveda

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

Dr. Vasant Lad is the founder of the Ayurvedic Institute and the man most responsible for bringing Ayurveda to the West. He has spent over 40 years teaching this 5,000-year-old science of life to practitioners across the world, and in this conversation, we sat down together at SoHum Mountain Healing Center in Asheville, North Carolina, where I had just completed a week-long Panchakarma. What unfolded was one of the most quietly profound conversations I have had on this show.What We Dive Into:​ Why unprocessed emotions don’t simply pass — and how grief settles in the heart, anger in the liver, and fear in the kidneys until they’re physically released.​ How your tongue, pulse, and face reveal what’s happening inside your body, often before any symptom appears.​ Why your original constitution (prakruti) shapes everything from your digestion to your temperament — and how modern life pulls you away from it.​ The gap between two breaths, and why Dr. Lad calls it an ocean of awareness available to anyone willing to sit in it.THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS:https://sohumhealing.com/panchakarma-retreat/Code AndrePK2026 for $500 off your Panchakarmahttps://www.functionhealth.com/KNOWTHYSELFCode KNOWTHYSELF25 for $25 off membership___________00:00 Intro01:58 What Ayurveda Actually Means02:40 The Five Elements, Three Doshas, and the Body06:18 Prakruti, Vikruti, and the Root of Disease08:00 The Sankhya Philosophy Behind Ayurveda13:33 The Goal of Ayurveda15:26 Dr. Lad's Path: Guru, Calling, and Coming West18:06 Where Western Medicine Falls Short22:05 Ama, Agni, and the Ayurvedic View of Disease25:56 Pulse, Tongue, and Face: The Art of Diagnosis34:29 Reading Psychological Nature Through the Pulse39:00 The Gap Between Breaths: Awareness and Mysticism44:37 How Repressed Emotions Crystallize in the Body47:39 Panchakarma: Physical, Emotional, and Spiritual Cleansing51:52 Ojas, Tejas, and Prana: The Vital Essences56:18 Sexual Energy, Celibacy, and the Cultivation of Ojas1:00:07 Life as Meditation: The Unified Field1:06:00 The Ayurvedic View of Death and Dying1:14:56 Dinacharya: The Daily Routine as Spiritual Practice1:18:48 The Doshic Clock and the Yugas1:25:22 Relationship, Self-Knowledge, and the Closing Message___________MORE FROM DR. VASANT✨Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drvasantlad🌐https://ayurveda.com/about-vasant-lad/MORE FROM KNOW THYSELF🎙️Spotify: https://spoti.fi/4bZMq9l🎧Apple: https://apple.co/4iATICX✨Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/🎬TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@andreduqum👥Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/knowthyselfbyandreduqum/🌐https://knowthyselfpodcast.com/MORE FROM ANDRÉ✨Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/@andreduqum💼Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/know-thyself-podcast📚Book recs: https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com/book-list

Without self-knowing, life has no meaning at all. We always live in the dead past and we speak from the dead past. We listen from the dead past. The image is created by judgment, criticism, like, dislike. And when image is heard, that unresolved hurt develop crystals. And the crystal accumulating to the body. If it is deep sorrow, it will be in the heart. Liver is a seat of anger.

Kidney is a seat of fear. And through Ayurway, those emotions, they start liquefying. They literally cry. My guru bless me. He said, you will teach Ayurway to the Western world. Ayurway is a science of life. Body, mind, and consciousness become one. You want to go a little witchy on me.

I'm gone? So. Okay. Every person's deep nature of his consciousness can be failed to the pulse. Expiration is a dead. Inspiration is reborn again. When you practice, he's dying. You reborn.

every moment. In that gap between two breath is an ocean of awareness. And that awareness is freedom. You will be reincarnated not next life, but next breath. Everyone, welcome back to the Know Thyself podcast. We are at Soham in Asheville, North Carolina, a bit of a deviation from the normal studio shootings. And it feels great to be in nature with our guest today, who is the founder of the Ayurvedic Institute, the man who really has pioneered and brought Iervated to the West, which is a beautiful over 5,000-year-old lineage. And he's trained thousands of practitioners, authored several books,

and he's the man to dive deep into all things Iervated with. Dr. Bissatelad, thank you for being here. Thank you. Quite the pad. I want to set a bit of the context and the stage for our audience, for everybody who's listening in, who may or may not have known, about Ayurveda or don't know at much depth.

What does Ayurveda actually mean? What does that word mean? Oh, very beautiful question. The very word, Ayahu, Vedah. Ayur is the life. And Vedah is the knowledge. And that systematized knowledge became science. So Ayurveda is a science of life in a simpler word.

And it is so unifying. It is so totally one. with the universal law. So, according to Ayurveda, the spiritual energy is pure awareness. And awareness is expressing itself is the etheric space, air, fire, water, earth. These are called five great elements.

And they are present in every tree, every flower, every human being. There is a Sanskrit quotation that Sarvani, braviani, pancha, bhautekani, all organic and inorganic matter is made up of five great elements. These are very important. So in the body, there are smaller and bigger spaces, abdominal space, thoracic space, cranium space. So that is etheric space. At cellular level, every cell has a space.

And through the cellular space, there is a communication going on. If I want to communicate with you, first I had to create space in my heart and then listen. Then I have direct communication. So space is very important. Space is freedom. Space is love and space is communication. Then second important principle is here. Here is a principle of movement.

In our body, the lungs are breathing, diaphragm is moving, heart is beating. All these movements affront, effron, sensory movement. All these movements are governed by air element. Air is the principle of movement. Then where there is a movement, there is a friction. Where there is a friction, there is a heat, the fire. And the fire in the body is digestive fire. Liver generates large amount of heat.

So liver is also a seat of fire. That is called Bhutan Agni. Agni is the fire. And this fire, agony, maintain hunger, appetite, digestion, absorption, assimilation, and transformation of food into consciousness. All these are governed by fire. Then comes water. Water is the plasma, the serum, the cytoplasm.

All that biological substance, plasma, the serum, is water. And without water, cell cannot survive. Water is a universal chemical solvent. It is there. Then come Earth. Earth is a solid ground. calcium, magnesium, zinc, iron, copper. So all these five elements are present in our body.

So this is a structural aspect of the body. But biological combination of ether, air, fire, water, earth split into three dosha. Ether and air create water. Wata is a principle of movement. Fire and water become pitta. Pitha is the biochemical activities. And kappa is earth and water, the building block materials. So all these VATAPTCAPA, they are present in every RNA DNA as our genetic code, as our blueprint.

And we carry that blueprint in our body. So these three dosha, they were governing this biological structure of the body and psychosomatic expression of the body. These are called three dosha. And every individual has a unique expression of content. consciousness. In the true sense of the world, individual is indivisible, undivided, total, unique expression of awareness. So we all are individual. Now, based about individual procurity, which is your constitution, and because of change in the season, change in the time, change in the age, change in the environment, we, our prokruti ratio, Watapith, kha, undergoes

change. And that change alter status of VATApitha khafa is called Vakruti. Vakruti is present alter status. And Prakruti is your genetic code. And Ayurveda is a science of Prakrithi, Vakradi. So if I have it right, the way that you just described it, the procruti is what you come into genetically. That's what you're set with. You have a constitution of these different elements in different levels. Fata, Pita, kafa. And we're all born with a a set amount of each. And then we have vikruti, which is the variation, the difference, the delta between that as we live and eat and move in society, it changes.

Correct. But this vikruti is the potential womb in which disorder may happen. If we don't balance vikruti back to the procuruti, then there is a age health. So vikruti is the root cause of all disease, psychosomatic disorder. It's a very different conception from the Western allopathic model, which I want to get into with you. So if that is the source of disease, the Vakruti, then what is the premise of what Ayurveda is trying to understand and bring to everyone's understanding? And as I have it, it's part one of six different core yogic or Indian philosophies. So Sankhia is a very profound philosophy.

philosophy that Ayurved is based upon. Sat means truth and kha means to realize. To realize the truth behind the creation of universe is Sankhya. And there are 24 avalute. The first expression is Purusha. Purusha is awareness. Purau sheta etisaha purusha. Puram means city like Pandar, Kanpur, Narkpur.

And our body is a city of senses. And within this sensory mechanism, the city of senses, there is a pure awareness. That awareness is called Purusha. And Prakruti is creative potential. And this whole universe is a divine dance of Prakruti in presence of Purohya. So, Purusha and Prakriti both are eternal. timeless existence. They were one.

Because of Satwaraja Tama's, these three guna's were absolutely in equilibrium. But when their equilibrium is disturbed, the big bang happened. And during that big bang, Prokrutis separated from Purusha. And first expression is Mahd, which is cosmic intelligence.

And intelligence means to put everything in its right place. That's the glory of intelligence. So, Purusha, Prakruthi, Mahat, Thankar, I Am. That a-amness is there. Every creature, every bird has a feeling of I am, I am. And that eternal I-am is existential. And that I-amness is called ahankar. And because of that ahankar in our body,

every single sale has a definite form, definite shape. RNA DNA, they have definite shape. The shape of that RNA DNA is coming from Ahanka. Which is ego. Is that right? Then we call it ego. We call it ego. But separate sense themselves. The heart means eye farmer.

Yeah. And I form, you know, I am, is not ego. It is existential. But I am doctor, I'm engineer, I'm carpenter. They need ego come. I mean, in pure existence, there is a oneness, it is not anangka. It is just existential pulsation, which is called spandha. Spandakariga.

Spandah is Shivashakti vibration. And that Shivashakti vibration is constantly creating the feeling of, who I am, my who. So that, my who is existential. And because of ahankar, The fertilized egg went to the different mitotic division. And in that division, millions of cells, they come to create a brain. Other million came to create cardiovascular system, the lungs, the skeletal system.

All this is an expression of anger. If there is no anger, no creation is possible. Then it becomes ego. Then I, this is my life, this is me. And then we always do all egotistical activity, that is ahankar. But in sanchia model of creation, ahankar is biological need. That is absolute necessary to create yourself identity.

Self-existent. Then ahankar has three-guna, satua, rajas and tamas. Satva is clarity, purity. Rajas is movement, agitation, temptation. And tamas is the darkness, the material thing. You are observing, so you are satua. My body is tamas. It is a material.

And your satua is coming through your sensory perception to meet with this tamas. So meeting point of satawaraja tamas gives us experience. So there is no experience without this equilibrium between satua, the observer, Rajas, the observation, and tamas, the thing to be observed. So this is a wonderful thing. Samkhya philosophy talks a great deal about that. From the Satwa, the whole sensory world is created. And from the Tama's, the whole objective world is created.

And Rajas is the bridge between Satwa and Tama's. So this is briefly Samkhya's philosophy. I like that philosophy. How old is the philosophy? Oh, for a Western, we say 5,000 because they don't like to go back. Then it is more than, It is 10,000 years old philosophy.

But, you know, for a Westerners, they don't like anything which is very old. They say it is prehistorial. I mean, yeah, it's tough to recount anything past last week. I'm trying to think of what the original intention was in discovering and formalizing words to this philosophy 5,000, 10,000 years ago and the relevance it has today. So what is the goal of Ayurveda and this understanding from the Triedosha? and the five elements and the three guinas, what is it all aiming to serve? Ayurveda is the medicine of individual.

Individual medicine. Satvam, Atma, Sharia, Traum eta Thridandwavat. Satwa is the mind. Atma is a conscious principle and the body. So Ayurveda helps us to understand the sherry is a physical body,

your procurati, your view. then we have physical prakruti, then we have mental procuruti, and then we go into the pure consciousness. So, the Ayurved aims at to create balance of Sato Rajatamas

and to heal the body, the mind and consciousness. When we heal the body, mind and consciousness, then persons' life become happy, peaceful, blissful, and Ayurveda is a science of longevity.

Jivea shiradaha shatam, Pashemasharadhaa let us see each other for 100 years. That's a beautiful thing. So why to live long? Just to enjoy the life. So Ayurveda is a science

of longevity of life. It is understanding what these individuals, Prokruti is and what is the present alter status of Prokruti, which is Vikruti. And Prakruti-vikriti paradigm

is the basic paradigm in Ayurveda. So you were sort of I have it right from a guru said that you from a young age would go on to teach Ayurveda to the West. You were a quiet young boy. How did this path first kind of come into your vision for before you came out to the West and everything you were teaching back in India? What was it like as a young kid who was quiet, who was told that you were going to do big things? with Ayurveda. In India, we have guru-shisha tradition. Yeah.

So my guru is my father's guru. And my father took me to his guru. And I saw him his simplicity, his clarity, his love, his compassion. I was totally thrilled. Then he initiated me. And during initiation, he gave me mantra. He taught me how to sit and how to meditate. And then he blessed me.

He said, you will become Ayurvedic position. You will teach Ayurveda to the Western world. And through Ayurveda, you will bring this beautiful spiritual foundation for education. Because without self-knowing, life has no meaning at all. If you do not know yourself, your education, your degree has no value whatsoever. So self-knowing is very important. And Ayurveda is the science of self-knowing. To know you are, that's why we are, this is education,

which is the people, hey, you are wadu, you are pitha, you are kappa, then this is a proper diet for you. And that is not a proper diet for you. And that's why the whole base of pancha karma is like understanding what is prakruti, what is vikruti, based upon that, we gave individualistic PK, Pancho-Karma program, which is detoxification. Because we have toxicified our brain.

Too many judgment, criticism, like, dislike, and all that. And there are, in our day-to-day life relationship, Ayurwe says our life is relationship. Relationship between husband and wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, but also my relationship with my body, my relationship with my mind and my relationship with my consciousness must be absolutely clear

and clarity in relationship breeds compassion and compassion is love therefore love and clarity go together so in Pancho karma based upon Prakriti vikruti paradigm we use Shirodara which is oil is running

you have experience that oil is running through the scale It's been a very oily week for me yeah because the baby which was in the mother's womb it was surrounded by aminetic fluid and that was the oily surrounding oily environment and the baby was moving

oil is very important for the sale to live long I've regressed back to my fetus origins I feel so amazing this week and I know how powerful Ayurveda is in my own personal life right now when we look out into the world roughly seven and ten people in American society are overweight or obese, six of ten, some sort of chronic disease or illness, roughly 20 plus percent of people on some sort of

psychiatric medication. I think Krishna Merti is quoted, it's no measure of success to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. Wow. And I'm curious your thoughts on where the Western an allopathic model is fundamentally getting it wrong when it comes to treating chronic disease and illness? No, Western model is wonderful because during acute emergency, we have to go to the Western model during severe heart attack or fracture or stroke paralysis. Then we need that. But once the emergency is over, then there is no way.

Then they have to come to Ayurveda. Then Ayurid gives them proper diet, proper lifestyle, detox program, cleansing program, rejuvenation program, cholera, so this is very good that Ayurveda, we are teaching Ayurveda concurrently and inherently together with based upon modern medicine. Because modern medicine says there is no fever without infection, but there is fever without infection. Then they say, oh, this is a fever of infection. non-specific origin. Non-specific origin.

There, Ayurwe says, when your pitta is high, fever is there. And when your pitha is low, you will be under hypothermia. So Ayurveh, look at every disease as certain imbalance

between body mind and consciousness, imbalance between Wadapha, and there are dhattu, the sevan dathu, Rasa, rata, mauns me, that's shukra. Rasa of the plasma,

the serum, the cytoplasm. Racta, the blood, mumps of the blood, muscle, skeletal muscle, smooth muscles, striated muscle, then asti the bones, cartilage, then majah, the bone marrow, including maga is a nervous system, and shukra, are the male and reproductive and reproductive tissue. So, dosha, dhatu, malamulam, he sharia. This constitution, the foundation of constitution is three dosha, sevan dhattu, and three malas. Within this structure, they have built their whole system of medicine. And when they

out of balance, they need to create illness. So the very beautiful definition of disease is dosha, duisha samurshana janito. Aggravated dosha entering into the tissue, they attack the tissue and they alter the tissue's function and tissue structure, and then it will create a disease. This is wonderful. And what we are doing in Panchakarm,

we are separating this complex network of mixture of mixture of dosha and dhatu. Because in that we build ama. Ama is a toxic, morbid metabolic waste. And if our agony, the digestive fire, is not at par, then undigested food become toxic. So ama is a toxic, morbid metabolic waste. And that amma is accumulating the brain in the lungs,

in the liver, in the heart, in the cardiovascular system. And that causes the disease. So this is a very long-lingering. In during acute attack, we have to go to the modern medicine. But in Ayurveda, when heart attack is over, we can give proper diet, proper the Vodbasti. We create a dough of whole weight dough and put on the heart and put flaxis. Amazing.

I did that. Yeah. That will improve to dilate the coronary artery, and it can prevent the future coming attack. For people that aren't as familiar with the vernacular and vocabulary, Larry, would you say inflammation is similar to AMA? How would you, from the Western perspective, what's the closest thing to AMA? You know, AMA is a toxic, morbid, metabolic waste.

And AMA changes our biochemistry. Amur is the root cause of inflammatory marker. But inflammation is produced by Pitta. When Pitta is high, it will create inflammation. When Kappa is high, it will create congestion. And water increase, water will create degeneration, deterioration, destruction of the tissue. So there are certain diseases they are due to catabolic changes. They are called degenerative diseases.

Some certain diseases are over nourishment, anabolic disorder, obesity, hypertension, hyperlipidemia. These are anabolic disorder. And the catabolic disorder is arthritis, rheumatism, cyas. how old age. And in between them, inflammatory decisions, they come under pitta. Again, Wata, Pithagha is there. So let's say maybe we have a couple hundred thousand people listening to this podcast right now. I would love to bring it directly into their experience.

When you say pitta, kafa, fata, and we can put some images on screen. Can you describe what the constitution looks like for each of those persons? Beautiful. The physical appearance also denotes. not the type of the dosha. Generally, Wata people, they are tall, skinny, tiny, they are hyper, even they feel paddle with the finger.

You're not anything to, they will put finger in the year. Whenever this space, they will put finger. So this is weird, but this is a fact. Because Wata has affinity to the space. So Vata individual, their skin is dry, dry joint, cracking, poking, and they are hyper, and they are restless, anguish. They love jogging, jumping,

And they are hyper. So this is the typical picture of what. The people are medium body frame, but they wear glasses, very bright, brilliant, intellectual people, always study. They sleep with a book on the chest. It's weird because they are the bookworms. They like that reading, studying knowledge,

in investigation. And Kafa people, they enjoy the life. They love to eat. And they have a little robust body frame. And they are very calm, quiet, blissful. So just by looking at the integer, we understand what type of the person's

procuruti is. Procruity is your personality, is your body type. So for somebody who's listening right now and maybe sees themselves more pitta or more vata, how would that correspond? You'd mentioned a bit of their temperament and their physical makeup.

What proclivities would they have towards certain diseases, illnesses, so they can see Like, what are, how do they easily each come out of balance so they can come into it? In Ayurveda, the monotype are three, wata type, pitha type, kaffa type, kha type, kofa, kha, and triple, there are many. So there is what we decided through the pulse examination, we find out what is a major dusha. When I read my own pulse and there is a part of listening to the pulse, my prigruti is wata two, pita three, kufu one.

is low, two is moderate, three is more. So I'm pitha predominant who are the secondary. But because of diet, lifestyle changes, the dosha go out of balance. And that can be detected to the superficial pulse. Would you read mine? Oh yeah, that's great. You want both? Yeah.

Okay. Wow. Can I see your term? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You are traveling love. So your Prakut is pretty balanced. 2-3-2, Vata 2, pitha 3, kha-2.

But because of traveling where Vata is high, and that Vata is pushing pitha, I'm glad that you come here to receive Panchakarmu, and that shirodha and all that technique. So, you're pretty, tri-dhoshik pretty close. 2-3-2, Wata-2, pitha-3, kaffa-2. These people are very spiritual, very loving, compassion, and they do wonderful work.

But because of traveling stress, the water is high. So pitta predominant vata kaffa pretty similar. Identical. That's interesting, very good. And your pitta predominant? Yeah, I'm pita predominant. Okay.

But my water gets aggravated. That's why I'm bundled with clothes and keep myself warm. I hate cold. I love warm. Yeah. So for people that don't know what that is, what is pulse reading. So the primary tools for diagnosis, as far as I can understand, It's like the face, the tongue, the pulse.

How are you able to detect someone's constitution through the pulse? Especially for the Westerners, that's like very... For example, whenever I read the pulse, this is index finger, middle finger, ring finger. This is radial artery. I'm feeling and going deep, deep, deep. So if the spike come here, it is copper. This is proximal. proximal kafa one, kafa two, kofa three.

Middle, middle spike is pitha, pitha, pitha, pitha, pitha, pith, pith, pith. And distal spike is vata, vata, vata, wata, wata, two, wath, wata three. So when I go down, deep down, under all three finger, I get pith, pith, pith, pith, pith is three. But under index and middle finger, I get vata two. and under ring and a middle finger I get covered so your prakruti Vat 2, pitha 3

Kappa 2, 2, 2, 3, that is your constitution to the default then I come to the superficial level the present altered status of the dosha definitely your vatah is high and the vata is high under middle finger and it is pushing pitha so vat pushing pitha is the present

status this is amazing All our students learn that and we teach through webinar through seminar and these different heart of Ashtavid parisha. Nadi, mutram, malam, Juma, Shabdas, Parshad, Rukhratu.

Wonderful. Nadi is the pulse. Tongue, tongue examines is very important because tongue is the mirror of viscera. So in this Ayuradiq clinical assessment, Ayurveda is a very clinical medicine plus it has philosophy, but it has detoxification. So from Ayurvedic point of view,

these are the methods to understand about the individual's procriti vikruti. So let's say somebody had a higher VATA, what's something they could do in their life to help bring back into balance to more of their procurity? Yeah, when the VAT is high, we pin down what symptoms, person did, gas, constipation, bloating, lumbabot, or stiffness in the back,

or cracking and popping up the joint and insomnia. So this is the high water. Then we can give some diet to calm down the water, the warm, freshly cooked, warm food with little ghee in it. Gazeer, oily, which will again help the person to calm down water dosha. Then we will tell them, don't eat nitrate, potato, tomato, eggplant, he can eat avocado or okra, broccoli, all those things. And then in that, they should not drink cold water because water is cold. They should drink warm water. So this way we can give dietary health.

And there are certain herbal protocol we give Ashvaganda, Bala, Vidari, so calm down Wata Dusha. And because of gas bloating, we can give Ganderu Haridaki, which is one of the ingredients of Trifala, and that is roasted with cast iron in the castroid. And that Ganderu Haritake is so beautiful, half a teaspoon with warm water, it will calm down the gases, it will evacuate the bowel. And person suddenly feels grounded. That's the glory of it. So this way, in case of what a person, we can do this.

What else do you pick up from the face or the tongue? What are you looking for? And we'll throw some images up on screen. But I think, especially from the Western perspective, we don't have the same conception of our tongue being a map into what's happening inside of us. So how is the tongue representation of our internal? organs.

We have, whenever I look at the thumb, the tip of the thumb is related to the thyroid gland. Tung is divided into three parts, anterior, one third, middle, one third, posterior one third. For example, can stick out here? So you have armor in the colon.

There is tightness in the mid-back, neck and shoulder blade area. And you know, you have Krumi. What? Krumi is a parasite. You have some GERDia and the parasite.

Wow. There are patches of depopulation. Depopulation? Depatulation. Depatulation. They have patches of depopulation. Okay. What is, then that seems.

These papill are peeled off because of that crummy, the parasit. That's why it may create little bloating, bloating discomfort. Is that like gut dysbiosis? Correct, correct, correct. Okay. The tongue is the mirror of gut. Mm-hmm. And just by looking at the size and the shape and the surface of the tongue, the margins of

the tongue. When person get indentation marks of teeth along the margins of the tongue, that is a sign of mal absorption. When there is a line at the central part of the tongue, that means person is holding emotions along the spine, the neck, the shoulder. Is that what you saw with my tongue? I mean, I'm holding tension. I have tension there for sure. That's why. And then when the white coating is that that is armor. When the arm has patches of depopulation, there's a sign of some parasites are there. We spawn I get parasites. Yeah, yeah.

No, I'm curious because I went to Bali like a few months back and I got, we got Bally Belly. So we were all puking and it was pretty bad for a week. People who travel a lot and there are different waters. Sometimes these parasites, they can come through the food or through the water. So that is quite possible. So this one of the wonderful Iroaic diagnostic tool is an examination of town. Yeah. the pulse, the tongue.

And through that, just by observing this thing, we build up, find out which doha is affected, which dhatu, the tissue is involved. And then we can create a unique individualistic protocol. Dosha prattainik specific to the dosha. Dhatu prattainik, specific to the tissue. Then organ prattainik, which is specific to the organ, the vital organ, the brain, the heart, the dame.

And then that formula really hit the head of the nail and it really works. So again, I like to think about the differences in how the Western and the Eastern conceive these different things. I feel like we treat the mind and the body as two separate phenomena, largely in the West. And the way you're describing what you're observing through the pulse and the tongue and Ayurabatic as a system is very mind-body connected as one system. and the mental and emotional effect, the physical and vice versa. So I'm curious what outside of just the physical may be, I'm happy to be your guinea pig. And I know that through the pulse readings and just being in someone's presence after doing this for so many years, you start to pick up other things, which some would say you have like no business and knowing because how could you possibly know these things about someone's mind or body just by a simple pulse read.

Okay. So we want to go a little witchy on me. I'm down. Generally, generally, these are the seventh level pulse is procuriti. First level is vakruti. Then six level is minus prakradi. That is your psychological makeup. So whenever I go to that level, six level,

I'm just explaining how we come to this conclusion. Then we imagine there is a eight petal lotus. under my finger. This is petal one, petal two, and each petal represents the procuruti, the constitution. So, when I

was feeling your manas, prakruti, these are the words. You are Indra, Agni, and Varuna, Indra-Agni-Vorana. Means you are a very spiritual person, very loving, and highly knowledgeable.

There is a great compassion in you. And these are the manas prakruti. Every individual has this different type. And they explain because Agony is knowledgeable. Then Yama is introspective. Then Nayruta is related to some depressive personality. And other is Varuna, which is. compassion, which is your, you are very compassionate.

So every person's deep nature of his consciousness can be failed to the pulse. As example, I have given this. So body, mind, and consciousness, this trinity is the unity of life. And Ayurveda has specific protocol for the body or the mind and for building up the consciousness, through meditation, through mudra, through marma, we can help. So this is the very total different approach to the individual. And people love that. Because that changed their life. Even students who come to learn Ayurveda, ASP 1, ASP2, their life is changing. They say that our life is changing because it brings clarity, compassion, and self-respect also. So,

This is very profound science. What are the other five lotus petals? What else could you pick up on someone's mental level? You know, there are sometimes you can get the petal number three, which is Yama. And they may be introspective, but they are a tendency towards self-sagemental, self-hatred, and that will lead to the depression. Then the next petal is the fourth number. which is Nayruta,

Nauruta is a, could be bipolar disorder, or it could be some spiritual possession. People get possessed by some evil spirit, and they act weird like a Scrizhovrenia. So the Scrizumviramity can be seen there through that. Then compassion, which is wonderful. Then other is a way of a very bipolar disorder, and that is very connected to the depressive, obsessive,

obsessive, compulsive behavior, that kind of. And then come the north side of that is Kubeiro, which is very royal rich person. And then come Ishaan. Ishan is very spiritual. So all these eight personalities are connected to the eight direction, east, west, north, south. Northeast, Northwest, Southeast, South East, Southway.

This is the energy field, geomanetic energy field, shaping the consciousness. Wow. This is very, very interesting. Just... What else we got? Yeah.

You are amazing, very profound. You are spiritual. You do yoga, practice pranaayam, practice, tradition practice. There is a great deal of compassion. Do you love mysticism? I tend to lean that way, yeah. Mysticism, Ayur says a great deal about mysticism. There is a great mystery around us. Even our heart is beating. It's a mystery. The lungs are breathing. It is a mystery. And mysticism can be unfolded, when we watch the breath, there is a gap between inhalation and exhalation. Stay in that gap.

In the beginning, then slowly carry your attention, there is a silent gap between two thought. Then stay in that gap. And then bring to the perception, in between two perception, there is a gap. in that gap between two perception, between two thought, between two breath, is a great awareness, it's an ocean of awareness. And that awareness is freedom. That awareness is unconditional.

And in that awareness, the mysteries happen. So you like that mysticism. Yeah, yeah, I've just very drawn to it and I think through this podcast, it's called know thyself. And so the whole premise is to be exploring all these deeper aspects. And that is the whole foundation of Ayurveda, know thyself. So know thyself is only possible when we are having moment to moment awareness of our perceptions.

our thought, our feelings, our emotion. And in that, the miracle happened. Certainly, glimpses you can see beyond. So these are the, in that thing, you will get spike at the center, and I have spike on the center. So you love that mysticism. That's what I was sharing.

Thank you. You're welcome, sir. So are those typically three levels that you go in? Is that like body, mind, consciousness? Correct. Amazing. Actually, there are seven levels. Really?

But these are very subtle. The seventh level is the prakriti, second level is minus prakriti, then fifth level is your dhatu condition. It's like Wata Pithagapa. And you were seven, there are dhātura of the mounds, may that's sima jashakra.

And then we can come to the Hoja Stegas Pran. Then saktakle, the Doshan. and then Manus Vigruti. So there are seven layers of the pulse to know. And when you change the level, it can change the spike. When you get different spike, you are at a different level.

And it demands a great deal of awareness to read that. And it is a technique and it is a method. And once they learn the technique and method, and then they bring the awareness to their tip of the finger, they can read that. Amazing. Well, before we move on, is there anything else in that regard, either through my pulse or through my face? I just, it's a great opportunity to be with you. So is there anything else you pick up in me? No, we also have face reading looking at the person's face, the bra face, the tapering heart-shaped face, and the flat cheeks, some conflicts.

Everything has a significant value. So when we look at the person's forehead and there is a prominent line to the medial side that is really, liver line. Left side is spleen line. So person's liver and spleen, they are working under stress. When there are horizontal line, there are a couple of worries. Then when the lower eyelids are bulge that is aging plus it is connected to the kidney and bladder. So this is interesting. And we can read the face. Facial line has a significant importance. Then there is a double chin which is sluggish thyroid. And then nasolabia line is prominent. That means person has a malabsorption. All these things are there. And we use that in our clinical assessment. Are there any imbalance as you see from my face alone? No, you have beautiful, no, no imbalance.

You have bossing forehead, you know, tall, bossing forehead. That means you are very spiritual. Or does balding, one of the two? Balding is different. There is a forehead which is from the foreing. When person has a tall forehead, that That means the frontal lobe is very tall and great. And frontal lobe, when it is well developed, it is a spiritual element. So that's interesting. I'm curious if you could elaborate a bit more on the link between the psychosomatic element, like how repressed emotions affect organs which affect our physical health and vice versa.

And then that manifests through our tongue, through our face, through our pulse, we can see these things. Yeah. Yeah, I read the talks a great bit about. What is emotion? Emotion is the reaction of past memory to the present challenge. So, in our day-to-day life relationship, I build my own image and if my wife has her image. And when these two images are there,

then communication is filtered. because image is created by judgment, criticism, like, dislike, experience and conclusion. These are the fact that they build the image. And therefore, in our day-to-day life sharing, we go into the dead past. We always live in the dead past. And we speak from the dead past. We listen from the dead past. And through that, the image get hurt.

And when image is hurt, then that unresolved hurt is accumulated into the body depending upon nature and structure of the emotion. If it is a lot of grief and sadness, it will go to the love. If it is deep sorrow, it will be in the heart. Liver is a seat of anger. Gallbladder is a seat of hate. Spleen is a seat of attachment. Kidney is a seat of fear, anxiety.

And stomach become nervous. and colon is also connected to these emotions of fear. So all these, when we do not understand the emotion completely, right from beginning till the ending, then unresolved emotion, unprocessed emotion, they develop crystals. And this is called crystallization of emotion. And the crystals of grief, sadness,

they accumulate into the respective organ. So in Panchukarma, when we do abyanga, Snehan, Swaydan, holiation, sedation, then those emotions, they start liquefying. There is a de-crystallization of emotion. And all water emotion, they come to the colon, pitha emotion, they come to the intestine, and kaffa emotion come to the stomach. And we remove them by woman. Woman is a emetic therapy to remove the emotions from the stomach.

Then, perishing, which is a variation, remove the pithogenic emotion from liver, gallbladder, and intestine, and that really feels good. And then Basti, the enema therapy, remove the emotions associated with colon and kidney. And that way, Ayurveda, brings all these emotional crystals to the gut. And by bringing them to the gut, then these are the big passages. Woman vomiting, vomiting, is very important that. allow the grief to come out. Variation will remove the anger, fear,

and Basti will help to remove the ungroundedness, insecurity, all these emotional factors. So, Ayurvedic's perspective is very important. Panchak karma has that much depth to go to the emotional level. Therefore, people come here for one week, two weeks. Then there is quite a deeper and deeper cleansing. What is the link between the physical cleansing and then coming to emotional clarity and then spiritual connection? What do you see is the link between physical vitality and spiritual vitality?

Correct, correct. You know, on an average people come here for one week. Within one week, when they are going through the abyang of Snehan, Swaydan, oleation and sedation, and we give internally alliation with ghee. within three days, they become very emotional. All these emotions come. And when they are working, our practitioners are working on them, like Rudbasti or Yakrudbasti, then whatever their anger, their fear, it comes out.

And finally, on the last day, we put them in a dark room and there is a different light spectrum, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, and indigo. These light therapy, which is called chromotherapy, they literally cry. So within one way,

we can do physical cleansing, emotional cleansing, and also spiritual cleansing. Hey fam, a quick break to share two things that I think will genuinely serve you. If you're listening to this episode, you care about going deeper

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credit towards your membership. Everything's linked down in the description below. I hope you enjoy. Be healthy. Be happy. Back to Sohom. Could you explain a bit of the refinement from the bodily tissues arriving at Shakura and Ojas? So how does from the food we eat transmute and alchemize deeper, deeper into these more potent forms. And then I want to ask you about how does? Wonderful. Yeah. In our day-to-day life, whatever meal we eat,

within 12 hours, the end product of digested food become a hara russar, which is called microchile. And that microchile is circulated in the body. So the whole Ayyrividic concept of nutrition, the plasma, which is Rasa dhatu, within five days, the unprocessed plasma cell become processed. So this is a very beautiful nutritional five days for Rasa, 10 days for Rātta. It goes up to 35 days. And after the end of the 35 days, the superfine product of Shukra and Arta will become OJUS. and ojas is your body's immune mechanism.

The oges is forming every day, every moment, but that oges is the pure essence upon bodily tissue, and that comes to the heart. And then it becomes per-ogeous, super-oges, which nourishes consciousness, and then inferior oges which is circulating throughout the body, it maintains psycho-neuro-imminological response. So this is very important.

OJUS is maintaining cellular immunity. Tejus is cellular intelligence and pran is the flow of communication, the flow of intelligence. So OJAS, Tejas Pran, they are operating at the level of RNA DNA, according to Ayurveda, Pidu Pak and Pindharapa. But OJUS, on physical level,

but in spiritual level, Ojas become aura. your body's neuroelectical energy field. And that ojas goes to each chakra, Vula Dharha, Swadishthana, Manipura, Anahata, Vishudan, Azhya. And all chakra system, the ojas become colored spectrum. That's why root chakra has a red color.

Second chakra has an orange color. Third chakra has a yellow color. Heart chakra has a green color, blue, indigo, and violet. So this chakra, the ojus, stage of Pran, with their frequency, they become color spectrum of the chakra system. And then root chakra has a grounding feeling. Second chakra has a wonderful feeling of procreation. Third chakra is a power and digestion is a power. But leadership comes from Manipura.

Anahata is a meeting point of lover made to be the beloved. and throat chakra is a communication, inner person, meet with the outer person, and third eye, alpha meet with the omega, language is finished. And then crown chakra,

Jiva, meet with Shiva. But this is on the meeting point of the chakra system. So chakra system is very profound and we can do chakra healing through Ayurvidic merma therapy and color therapy. There is this quote

from your book, I actually want to pull, a person with strong ojas is attractive with lustrous eyes and a spontaneous and calming smile such an individual is full of spiritual energy and power spiritual practices and celibacy enhance these qualities in the individual i think anybody who's checking in and listening right now know people in their life that have this calming a sharing powerful you know presence about them and the last sentence there was referring to the sexual energy and how to come into right relationship with that and so what is the link between ojas what people

call semen retention now for on the men's side of things and what is like how does one properly relate to that aspect of themselves so that it doesn't rule them so that they can continue to cultivate more ojas that's very good because Because when a person observes celibacy, then Shukra in the man and in the woman, Artawaf, they build Ojas. And OJUS can be depleted because of too much sexual activity. OJAS can be displaced by too much emotional reaction, fear, anger, anxiety. So one should protect the OJS Tejus Pran. And for protection of Oja Stegas Pran, there are specific Pranayama.

They do pranayama, Anulamilom, Kappaal Bhati, Brahmari, Bhjjay, Udjjai, Udgit, Shidali, Shidali, all these are wonderful pranaama. And then while doing prana yama, you can do mula banda, the sucking the anus in, make a female horse. Then Udiyanabanda, which is called chinglaw, and Jalan Darmanda, cheek lock. This diaphragmatic bandha is Udianabandah. And that will help the awakening of kundraini Shakti. So kundalani shakti is anal-anilatmika. Anal is agni and anila means pran. Agni and pran create intense kundani shakity.

Therefore, your ojus nourishes kundalini. Tejas make the kundalani to rise up and pranar create meeting of lower self with the highest. said. So finally, the end product of Ojas Tejas, Tejas, Pran is serpentine energy kundrani, and that passes along the Chakrasista system from Muladharah to Sahasra. So we should protect our Oja Steghya Sprat by eating proper diet. Ashavanda, Bala, Vidari, Chavanpras, they promote ojjus. Even almond drink, almond milk, very important. And taking certain herbal ghi, like Ashwagandae, Balaga, they promote ojas.

But Tejas can be improved by concentration, by meditation, by mantra, and there is a certain Agnesar-Kriya which is very important for Tejas. And Ojas, Tejas and Pran. Pran can be supported with the Sahithakumpa Pranayama. But most important to nourish the prana is Kevalikumbaga. Kewakumbaka is natural suspension of breath. So when you pay attention to the breath and after inhalation, but before exhalation there is a stop.

And stay in the stop at belly butter. And when you exhale and after exhalation, doha, the shant, 12-digit prana comes out and there is a second gap. In that gap, if you stay there, this will amazingly strengthen. the pran. So, Ojas, Tejas, pran, these are the vital essence

of Ojas, the essence of kha, tejas, the essence of pitha, and prana is the essence of Vathe. So Vatapha, at higher level, become Vosest, Tejas, pran. And that is a very interesting, because Ayurveda and yoga go together. They are concurrent and inherent sister sciences. They help together.

And that is one. of the beautiful thing about this. And then Ayurva says that Dharmah, karma, arta, kama, the righteous duty, hartha, the monetary success, karma, the fulfillment of positive desire, and moksha

is enlightenment, is possible through Ayurveda and yoga. Through the cultivation of ojas? Is that what you say? Yeah, cultivation of ojus. And then what happens when somebody cultivates it for years or decades and they have

experiences, you know, these awakening experiences, what do you make of those moments and what the purpose of this rising energy is leading us to? When Ojas'est Pran our balance, then you are in meditation. The whole life become meditation.

The way you look, the way you walk, the way you listen, become meditation. Look at the beautiful bird, the lovely blue sky, the tree, the mountain, everything. in that looking there is no looker. In that listening, there is no listener.

In that experiencing, there is no experiencer. This state is a choiceless passive awareness as J. Krishna-Murthi talks a great deal about that. That happens through Panchakarma, through meditation. Would you say that person would then exude like a sativic energy? That is a very pure sativ, shudda satua, pure satire. So you can look at through anyone's behaviors and mental actions and say whether it's Rajas or Sattik or Tamas. Just by looking at the person you can understand, even OJas Ther's pran can be evaluated like Prakruthi.

This is very important. And person with Rajasic quality has a hyper-pran. Tamasi plavity is very dull ojas. So our behavior are also intimately connected to the ratio of ogestaceous pran. And that's why when this ojo stages prongs are in balance, then observer, observation, and the thing to be observed become one. This is the unified field of consciousness. In that oneness, there is a great deal of joy, great deal of beauty.

Then you become universal existence. then you are no more individual, individual become indivisible, totally undivided, one with the cosmos. For people that want to cultivate more of like a Satvik lifestyle to be able to cultivate that energy within themselves, what do you see as American society, Western culture, the most predominant activities that are not in alignment with that

that are causing more Rajas? And how would you support, people and recommend people like more implement these satvik lifestyle and behaviors. You know, I travel all over the world. I go to the India, then go to England, Germany. There is nothing like America. People are very open, very spiritual. And day by day, American people, in general, they are following spiritual paths. Interesting. Many people are doing meditation, contemplation, they are doing satsun, kirtan.

So this is a very good, positive thing. And this is a practical country. They want to do everything boil down to the practical level, which is very important. And Ayurveda is also practical. Ayurveda wants to bring spirituality into daily clinical observation. And we are doing the same thing. So I think anything which happens here in America, it employs. the whole world. You know, since last 40 years, I'm here. And when Ayurid become popular in America,

it becomes popular in India. This is very interesting. That's why my guru told you should go to America, teach these people Ayurid, and then Ayurid will be accepted in India. This is sad part, but it is the fact, because anything happens here, it influences the whole world. Because in the true sense, America is the nuclear shock creativity. This country has a great potential, great spirituality, great materialism, and everything is great. Even nuclear power is great. So you came here almost 40 years ago, and that was a big move for you. Correct. So you moved and you guys eventually created the Irobedic Institute. And then over the past many decades, you've been building, writing your books, training practitioners.

Writing book, doing seminar, doing teaching. Yeah. And now this is your home. The whole world is my home. I feel homely in India also. I feel homely in England also. And when I'm coming here, I feel like a home. It is the love, the friend who are a very loving, compassionate.

They make the whole environment like a home. And I have many good friends, both in East and West, as well as in India, England, America here. And it is a friend who they are very loving, compassionate. So it is like a home here. The Ayurvedic way of understanding life of like the science of living and also death, I think is very fascinating in how it is different from how I personally understood life growing up.

there is this increasingly popular conception of longevity escape velocity as you've heard people think with the advent of AI and what's coming with the technologies to be able to basically

keep living longer beyond our natural death point and I'm curious what an Ayurvedic perspective says on death and this idea that we might actually beat aging wonderful beautiful So this is really the crux, the cream, the core of Ayurveda.

Living and dying should go together. There is no life without death. And there is no death without life. Life and death, these are the two sides of the same coin. And we have to learn the art of dying. That's why we teach the people how to die. Just do so-hum meditation. Inhale with soul, exhale with hum.

So there are two stops. When you inhale, so it goes to the belly button. Stay there for a while. And when you exhale, hum comes out. And doad Dasha, 12 digit. When you stay in the stop, in the beginning, that stop is only for a fraction of second. But slowly, slowly, when you watch the breath and inhale a soul, then gap enhances.

Easily, when you practice like 10 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the afternoon, 10 minutes in the evening, and 10 minutes on the bed before you go to sleep, and a stage will come, you can easily stay in the gap up to 30 seconds. Half a minute. In that half a minute, you live without breath. There is no breath. You live without thought. There is no thought in that gap.

There is no mind. No time. So there is no mind, no time, no thought, no feeling, no emotion. It is just empty. We call this an empty bow. You become like an empty bo. And death is emptiness.

complete emptiness. So when you practice this dying, you reborn every month. You will be reincarnated, not next life, but next breath. You'll be reincarnated. Every breath is a new breath. Every thought is a new thought.

Every inspiration is a new inspiration. So that's why in India, if somebody is dead, he is expired. So expiration is a dead. Inspiration is reborn again. So date and dying should go together. This is on physical level. On psychological level, I have to die to the unwanted, unhappy, sad past. Past is dead. We should live in the eternal present, not to live in the day to live in the future. Our future is modified

the past. So dying and living go together, you can live now. My grandpa, he lived for hundred and five. But his bha, he was chanting Wittala, Wittala, Bithala.

And one stage will come, he will just say Wittala, and he will enter into complete suspension of brain. Through that holy name of Lord Krishna, Wittala, He was practicing dying.

And death is a friend. In the death, there is a rejuvenation, renewal, and you are reborn again. So, why do it talk so great deal about? Bring the death pretty close. Don't push death. Bring the death. Die to the yesterday.

Die to the morning. Live eternally with this moment during afternoon. So moment-to-moment awareness is moment-to-moment dying to the past and reborn again to the pritchie. And this is a very profound thing that Ayurwe teaches us through the soham. And the name of this foundation is Soham. Yeah, it's very fitting. Very, very pretty, very good.

Because Soham is not a mantra, it is a cosmic vibration. Sokare, Antara, Yadha. Hankaree Bahipuna, soham, soham, hamsha, Jeevojapati Sarod. Every living creature, every living being, they are chanting this soham, soham through breath. But they don't know. But if you pay attention to the soham,

then you are bringing death close to you. When you exhale hum, you are dying to the hum. And when you inhale slow, you are reborn again with a new, fresh, eternal. breath. If somebody lives an extremely healthy life, what is the natural age one? What's like the natural human lifespan if it's really healthy throughout? Yeah, actually it should be beyond 9,500. Even you can live for 110, 120. Yeah. That's quite possible. Then death become your habit. And then you can postpone the death. My guru postponed that day two times.

we thought he's there we carry him to the cremation and there he wake up he said I was in blissful state and you think that I'm dead so this is very interesting you can go into the samadhi samadhi is dying

while living yeah this is very profound I think that for a lot of those folks that maybe don't have a spiritual conception or thought experience belief and something coming after this physical life ends, then it's like, okay, I want to extend it as much as possible.

And with the advent of all the technologies there may be coming out to extend life, some people think that we'll actually be able to live forever. Beautiful. But you think, is that a silly, immature perspective on life? Everything has a right place, you know. And you can live as long as you want, but live, just to just to help, just to

serve, just to existence, because we have to serve the existence and existence is everywhere that eternal present is very beautiful and in that sense we

whatever we learn we should share. Sharing and caring is the glory of life. I agree. I agree. What do you make of the wellness industry, which has become over, you know, it's going to be a $10 trillion industry by 2029. And what a lot of these practices and diet and lifestyle interventions that are simple and have profound effects have been in largely like co-opted with yoga pants and smoothies.

And I'm curious what you think of all these health fads that come and go when there's this timeless wisdom of how to live in proper relationship with their own body and constitution. What do you make of that industry? That's a wonderful sharing. In America, everything is business. Even meditation become business, giving mantra become business. Even spirituality is quite a business. Apart from, because there's nothing wrong in that making business.

But what is important, as you are making business, give the core, the crux, the cream of reality to the people. and make them stand on their own feet. They will not carry anybody scratches. They are totally independent. They stand on their feet. They take care of their health to the proper diet, lifestyle, and rejuvenation program. Then that's why we teach domestic pancha karma.

People can do this pancha karma at home. That's a very good glory. Then sometimes their life is so busy. They have no time to come here, stay here for, week or two. So they can carry pancha karma at home. And we have special detox program, just detox your liver, detox your brain, detox your heart. So this way, we are detoxifying those toxic organ. And that is the first step to the reality, first step to the spirituality. And spirituality is clenching, clinging the body, cleansing the mind, cleansing the organ, and doing domestic pancha

karma through diet, just do kichita fast. And amazing that kizuri fash will Again, it will unfold the clarity of perception. For those that are householders, which almost certainly everyone who's tuning in right now is in my own life, and we have this inner yearning for realization of self, how important is, is it Dinaharia? How important is it daily practice? In this is very important.

Because if we wake up at a particular time, like say about 5 o'clock in the morning, then brush your teeth, scrape your tongue, drink warm water, sitting across lake posture facing the east. Du Kapalabhati, Basriha, Anulom, Milo, bujjay, Shitali, Shitkari, do soham. Amazing.

And I'm enjoying that. My whole family is doing that. And then they are taking shower. They do their yogic practice, then shower, then have a little breakfast. So this way, if we do everything like a dinner charia, then it will bring circadic rhythm of the hormones in my brain, serotonin, melatonin, acetylene, colon, dopamine, they will secret at a proper time.

And your brain will become a dynamo of energy. You never lose your energy. That's why denatured is a discipline. Discipline of biochemistry. At a proper time, you secret your hydrochloric acid, papine, rin, ryan, gastric, and factor and you are greatly hungry and you enjoy the food. So if we bring rhythm in that, if our day-to-day life is eradicated, then it will create depression, sadness and all those things.

So to increase the bioretum, we need dinah chary, Ruthusharia, and daily regime, seasonal regimen, and also dieted exchanges. So this is a very beautiful rhythm to bring biarrhythm into the body mind and consciousness we need dinner charia, the daily routine. And that daily routine is wonderful self-discipline. So what would be a great example of what that would be in someone's life? So wake up before sunrise, scrape the tongue, do your practices?

What else throughout the day do you think is really important to maintain consistency on bedtime. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just as we just shared with you in the morning that we should wake up early morning and go to the sunlight. And when sunlight fall on the forehead on the retina, it will stimulate pineal gland to release serotonin.

And serotonin is very important for clarity of perception. It's a pleasure hormone. So likewise, we have proper time for lunch, proper time for dinner. And also, we have some. certain routine at night, before you go to the bed, just rub oil to the soles of the feet and scalp. Oil is very important. If you just rub oil at the bottom of the feet and the scalp, then put on your old song that you will not fall into the bathroom. That's a very important disclaimer.

We have to tell you. And if we do this routine at night, then sit. Before you go to the bed, sit and I always says drink a cup of warm milk with ashwabanda or warm milk with turmeric. Turmeric is becoming popular. Turmeric and nymph can control the blood sugar. Turmeric is wonderful medicine. And if you drink turmeric with milk, it will balance. It will release melatonin. You will sleep like a baby.

And these are also routine given at the bedtime. Lunch time is different routine. So our life is totally surrendered to the almighty. We talked about the dosha's earlier, but likewise the day has certain times that correspond to different elements. Could you share a bit of that? Yeah, you know, the whole biological clock and chronological clock, they are connected. Kulamu's time, sun, rising, sun shui. So dawn and dusk is a wata dosha, early morning.

Then early morning and early evening is kha dosha. Midday, midnight is pitha dosha. So this is a biological clock in relation to the chronological time. And that's why Ayurwe talks a great deal about this, that it is good to do exercise in the morning during kafa time. People do exercise at midday jogging, jumping. That's wrong. If you do run at midday time, you will disturb your life.

pitha. So this is a very interesting thing that we should work in harmony with the biological time and chronological time. Yeah, it seems like with everything that you're sharing in the Ayurvedic system, there's this cycle and a rhythm to life that we're honoring that we normally have not been. Do you, if you zoom out further, you know, from the microchism of our biology and the cycles we have to the cycles around us within light and the 24 hour clock with the sun, if you zoom out further, do you see these larger cycles within humanity? Of course, that's very true. The larger time we call the Yuga.

Yugas. This is a Kali Yuga. About 10,000 years, the Yuba changes. The Krita Yuga, Treata Yuba, Dwapar Yuga, Kali Yuga. This is a very cosmic time. But also, the time is a movement. Time is becoming. and time is changed.

So within living in this time, we should enter into the timeless zone. While living in the time, you can enjoy the timeless zone. And that timeless zone is very important as I shared with the gap between the two bread, the gap between the two thoughts. Then you enjoy the time

and you are resting in that gap so that time enter into the timeless zone of bliss and cancer. peace. Sign me up. So what do you say that the Kali Yuga is ending now? Like what do you see? They say that Kali Yuga is ending.

This is a very, maybe next century, Kali Uga is gone and you will have wonderful Satya Yuga again. That is what they are saying. What do you make of the time we find herself in? Like humanity in this time entering the 24th century, with these ad of technology and AI and all of this. I'm curious, what is your perspective on? what's happening.

This is very beautiful. I learned from my guru Maharaj. He said all four yugas are within me. Meaning everyone. Krita, Trutat, Dwapar and Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga is a time of kala. Kala means art, music, even computer. It's a great thing.

Kali Yuga is not bad. So, when you do certain prana yama, when you inhale with soo, and hold the breath, then belly button is very important. That belly button is Kali Yuga. Then when you hold the breath into the heart, that is Krita Yuga, Threata Yuga, Dwarabha. Dharya Yuga and Satya Yuga. So crown chakra is Satya Yuga.

Then Krishna Dwapara Yuga come here. So Krita, Trita, Dwapar and Kali. So in Chakru system, when you hold your breath at a different level of chakra, you are surpassing those kali or yuga. The 10,000 years approximately we said, but there is a mathematical calculation and that varies according to the time zone. So we can raise our consciousness

from Belebutton to the Sahara. And Sri Arbindo says, go above the physical brain, 448 to 10 here. Purusha Supta says, Sahas Rishi Rha, Purushah, Sahasraqshaha, Sahasrapada.

So that thousand-headed Purusha is everywhere. And atyattishthist dashangulam above the physical brain, 4,4, 8 and 2.10, if you bring your consciousness here, you are in beyond yoga. And that yoga,

is a super satya yoga. He calls supra mental state. Above the physical brain, that which is true on spiritual level in spiritual term must be equally true on physical level in physical term. So this is another concept and through meditation you can go from Kali Yuga to the Satya Yuga. And which is a breath.

And breath meditation is very important. Even I'm sitting here, I'm doing so-hum meditation. Inhale with soul, exhale with hum. And in gap, I listen to you. And in gap, I give the answer to this. Therefore, our communication is, though it is physical, but it is moving to the different dimension of spiritual awakening. So this is wonderful.

So time is a movement of Pras. And Kali Yuga, Tretta Yuga, Dwapar Yuga, Satya Yuga, this is a cosmic time. And cosmic time is happening at every moment in our breath cycle. It feels like it keeps coming back to relationship, relationship between mind, body, breath, life, and of course, the humans around us and our friends and family. It seems like right now, because we do live in a time that is very, individualistic and very divisive that proper relationships are needed now more than ever. So I'm curious, as you spent your past 40 years coming out to the West and building these

relationships, just in your own words, what has the power of relationship been for you in your life? That's very important. First, I have to improve my own relationship with my body, with my mind, with my thought, and weak my daily perception. Because in relationship, there is a need of communication. When two individuals are speaking together at the same level of consciousness, there is a wonderful communication.

So, in order to improve the clarity of communication, we have to learn the art of listening, heart of looking. Look at your partner with a fresh eyes. Not yesterday's eyes. Not what last two weeks ago, what she said to me, I have to live in the eternal present.

And in this eternal present, there is a wonderful flow of communication. And we should forgive whatever just happened in the dead past. Because I always give this example to my student, if your wife said, you are a nut last week, and that nut is hurting like a bolt, and today she says, honey, I love you. So suddenly that nut comes there. They say, oh, I know, you love me. Sometimes you know me, but sometimes you call me nut. And there quarrel started. So we should not bring the dead past in our present relationship. We should live in the eternal

present. Then the relationship is definitely going to heal. Relationships are helping. And at the same time, we can use the relationship as the mirror. And in the mirror of relationship, we can watch our thought, watch our feeling, watch our emotion. That's great. And that exactly I'm doing in my day-to-day relationship with everyone. And it works.

It's a beautiful thing. But the relationship are not for judging the person. relationships are for self-knowing, self-learning. And for that, we should have very healthy, happy, clear relationship so that we can understand one another. And in that understanding, there is a sharing and caring and loving. So beautifully said, I feel like definitely in my past, I've become aware the times I'm viewing relationship

through my own prejudice in color-tinted glasses, not actually being effectively in communication and relationship with other individuals. If you had a last message for individuals to develop that clarity within themselves, like you mentioned, building that relationship with yourself is the most important. That way you can really be in relationship with other people, not just through a tinted glass. So much of the world right now is teaching self-knowledge through just the intellect. And I'm curious, what does...

self-knowledge truly mean to you. If you had 60 seconds for one last message to everybody is listening right now. When I'm looking at you, I feel I'm you and you are me. That who is looking through my eyes, same thing is looking through your eyes. In reality, though we are two individuals, it is the same awareness, same perception is operating. And that's the beauty of it. When I look at the tree, I feel I am the tree. When I look at the cloud, I feel I am the cloud. I am that mountain.

And suddenly, the distance between me and the mountain disappears. Me and the tree disappear. Me and you disappear. I am you, you are me. This is very serious thing that if we put into all day-to-day life in a day-to-day living, then there is no conflict. Conflict begins when there is a separation.

When I become the observer and you become the object, then there is judgment, criticism, like, dislike, all this thing happen. We have to bring unified field in our daily perception. Look so closely that I am you, you are. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Oh, it's so cool. Yeah, the rain came in.

Rain came in. That was a great close to it, though. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. And for everybody that's tuning into this episode, thank you so much. Let us know which ways this was impactful for you. And until next time, be well.