Know Thyself - E197 - 9 Great Thinkers on the Inner Work That Frees You

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Join our online community ↓https://www.knowthyselfcollective.comThis is a compilation episode, and it draws from some of the most honest and clarifying moments across recent conversations on the show. Nine different voices, each approaching the same territory from a different angle: what it means to stop being ruled by the outside world, to understand the patterns we inherited, and to come back to something more real inside ourselves.What We Dive Into:​ Thoughts arise whether you choose them or not. The shift is learning to observe them rather than be pulled by them.​ The nervous system learns what safety feels like early, and it keeps returning to that baseline even when it no longer serves.​ Your body, your beliefs, your identity, all of it was accumulated over time. Setting it aside, even briefly, creates the space to touch something underneath that is more stable. THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS:https://www.bioptimizers.com/knowthyselfUse code KNOWTHYSELF to save 15% at checkouthttps://www.basedbodyworks.comCode KNOWTHYSELF25 for 20% off + free toiletry bag!___________00:00 Intro02:12 Shi Heng Yi: Master Yourself, Not the World11:10 Dr. Sue Morter: The Hidden Truth Behind Your Triggers19:04 Emily McDonald: Living from Feeling States, Not Outcomes24:58 Joe Hudson: This is Your Sign To Be More Vulnerable31:53 Sadhguru: How To Make True Impact48:20 Henry Shukman: Tasting Awakening for Yourself1:00:29 Nicole LePera: Your Childhood Beliefs Might Be Holding You Back1:13:19 Lucy Hale: Remember To Accept Your Own Timeline1:17:23 Wim Hof: It's Time for Love___________MORE FROM OUR SPEAKERS✨Shi Heng Yi: https://youtu.be/Yg_vu7MelmU✨Dr. Sue Morter: https://youtu.be/NAdU39m1Oxo✨Emily McDonald: https://youtu.be/BS80CB3fgS8✨Joe Hudson: https://youtu.be/vF4R9uDje0E✨Sadhguru: https://youtu.be/FMoXXb-wKE8✨Henry Shukman: https://youtu.be/ZMk3ztb66mc✨Nicole LePera: https://youtu.be/BlpyzG5vV_o✨Lucy Hale: https://youtu.be/MkNjs5vbG9M✨Wim Hof: https://youtu.be/yjKoAXOFNqwMORE FROM KNOW THYSELF✨https://www.knowthyselfcollective.com🎙️Spotify: https://spoti.fi/4bZMq9l🎧Apple: https://apple.co/4iATICX✨Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/🎬TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@andreduqum👥Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/knowthyselfbyandreduqum/🌐https://knowthyselfpodcast.com/MORE FROM ANDRÉ✨Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/@andreduqum💼Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/know-thyself-podcast📚Book recs: https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com/book-list

What's up, everyone? Welcome back to the podcast. Today's episode is a little bit different. I've pulled together some of the most re-watched, most resonant moments from the last couple dozen episodes into one continuous conversation. First, you'll hear from Shi Heng Yi on mastering yourself before the world. Dr. Sue Mortar on the hidden truth behind your triggers. I could be present with anything and not be triggered. Emily McDonald, on living from feeling states rather than chasing outcomes. Joe Hudson on the single question that dissolves your judgment of others. Sad Guru on the simple practice of quieting a racing mind.

Most important discipline that you have to bring into your life is. Henry Shookman on tasting awakening for yourself. Dr. Nicole LaPera on the childhood patterns that are shaping your relationships. Lucy Hale on accepting your own timeline and Wimhoff on why it's time for your soul to play. Before we dive in, I have an exciting. announcement. I am so elated to share that we have just launched the Know Thyself Collective. Over the past few years, this humble podcast has grown into a global community of people asking the deepest questions about life, consciousness, healing, and what it means to be human.

And for a while now, I have felt like there's this deeper call to dive deeper with you all, beyond the episodes, beyond the comments section, somewhere where we can actually meet on the other side of it. So here's what it is. is what's inside. Live monthly calls with guest teachers where we can study together, learn practices, take questions in real time, a beautifully designed episode companion every single week for these podcast episodes with key ideas, journal prompts, and a full transcript. And last but but certainly not least, the real reason I'm creating this is to cultivate the community itself. Curated discussions, early access to the in-person retreats and events we're planning.

And so if any of this calls to you, head to the link in the description or know-the-selfcollective.com to watch the full video and join us on the inside. I'll see you there. Enjoy the episode. Conceptually, I understood very, very early. There is no way in trying to change the ideas of my parents. There is no way in even trying to invest my energy and trying to figure out what people in my surrounding are expecting from me. or having ideas, what am I supposed to do with my life? In that field of stress management,

I also realized very, very quickly, people getting stressed by the phone calls they receive, people getting stressed by the emails they receive. And so I just felt like all the time. So I wake up in the morning, have a very great day. Then I just look at that phone I just open like my laptop, read something, and suddenly my life quality, my great day is gone.

And I just felt like that just doesn't make sense. This is not the way of how I imagine to live my life being so dependent upon what type of impulses I am exposed to, like meaning whatever is happening there on the outside, I don't want to be so much influenced that all these things can take away my well-being eventually. And so that means very clearly, I cannot rely my own well-being the way of how I feel

based on what is happening on the outside. First of all, I can't fix it. So very rationally thinking there was only one solution. It has something to do about me. I need to somehow find the key to regulate myself, to be able and learn to cope with everything that this world is throwing at me. Don't need to look for a master, a teacher outside of you. You have the key.

It's literally like we all have to. our own master sitting inside of us he just needs to be cultivated we just need to nourish him give him the proper thoughts give him the proper energy give him the proper training then that master comes out yes and that means taking your life in your own hands again stop relying too much on the outside this is your life that's why you need to be responsible for it That is the whole idea behind it. It feels like so much of the path is this progression from unconsciousness to consciousness, from compulsivity and reactiveness to responding to choice.

And if we're to have any shot at, so to speak, unlocking the master within us, there is this saying or phrase about chi-follow-Z that I would love for you. you to speak to it because it seems like right now we're giving our energy our life our attention to so many things externally and not giving self the opportunity it has to be examined to inquire about it and and to grow awareness in it and so what does that mean so in the field of martial arts especially when it comes to the field of so-called nowadays so-called internal martial arts which means you are having different methods, you are different practices that are aiming in,

cultivating something very, I would call it, refined about yourself, so refined that sometimes we call it even you're at the level of chi, so sensing the bioelectricity of your body. And this bioelectricity or the energies of the body, it is said, chi follows i. i in that sense meaning attention or intention. Attention, intention meaning thought. Energy follows your thoughts.

Now just keep that in mind and we make a little jump into some Buddhist teachings that also has a very nice line up. It says, watch your thoughts because they will be. become your words. Watch your words because they will become your action. Watch your actions because they will become your behavior. Watch your behavior because they will become your habits. Watch your habits because it will become your character. Watch the character because it will become your destiny. Putting now that long chain of what I just said together with the idea of energy follows intention. there is some similarity

if something in this world you want to create creation needs energy so ultimately where does this energy come from it comes ultimately from thought so now we have to ask ourselves first of all

are you at all times aware of what are you thinking this is number one this is where in all the traditional ancient teachings you have the practices that are aiming in

finding a space or being in a space where you can literally see your own thoughts and that means it's already one step ahead of what is happening nowadays in the world

what is happening is you think and that's why what you are thinking, you think that's you. So you think you are your thoughts. A sword is popping up. So that's what I'm supposed to do. Blindly following the sword. Now the problem with this is that you have no power.

What type of sword is popping up? It is an everlasting experiment in trying to trying to figure out what is going to be the next thought that is going to pop up now in 10 seconds. You can't predict what type of thought is coming up. And therefore, in the ancient teachings, there is one, let's call it,

one method. We just says like this. Number one, distance yourself from the idea that you are your thoughts. This is where it comes from. You are not your thoughts. even if right now for many people it might be a concept I'm not talking about concept

but you can still use it you are not your thoughts in the moment you are able to tap into this reality then you can let swords come and at the same time you can see swords go that means you are at the space that at all times is just unmoving

now thoughts energy creation this taking it back also meaning on whichever thought you are getting hooked on this is what you create and this is why to be aware and conscious whether you are willingly by your own how I say if you are consciously choosing a thought or if you are by habit being a habit being hooked by your thought is a big difference. And this is how it then ultimately translates into. Why is it that some people, let's say, get things done in a proper way,

and other people, let's say, try and try and try, but somehow seem to get lost? It's exactly because you cannot trust all sorts that come every day into your mind. because it's not your choice. When we have a reaction to something, when we get triggered by something, when we find ourselves resisting or withdrawing, it's actually the perfect signage on the road to point you in the direction of embracing the parts of you

that get pocketed off in those moments when your internal environment isn't matching your external environment. For instance, we show up with these loving beings. You know, you look into the eyes of an infant and that glow is just right there. There's an emanation and a beauty that's just pouring off of them. And then little by little, as we begin to engage

and infuse ourselves into this world, we start to layer on top of that perceptive concepts and ways of using our faculties that conceal us. But that internal presence is still there. It's always going to be there. what we're made of. And so the truth is still there. And our job is to discover it. So when we're out here operating in this, you know, in this survival-based reality, we get triggered, we get upset, we get reactive. And if in that moment we recognize, I'm having a reaction here.

You know, I'm a little triggered. I can feel my heart beating. I can feel the tension. I feel my spine bow up a little bit. You know, I'm a little bit more. lucid in ways that that could serve me if I knew what to do with that energy in that moment. It's a beautiful sign. In this moment, instead of asking, why do you do that? Because every time you do it, it upsets me. Or, so what's wrong with you? Like, what do I have to do to get you to stop doing that? Or what's wrong with me that I'm reacting to this? What's wrong? You know, what do I have to do differently? Just ask a better question. And that is, where in my system could I build circuitry to be able to tap into aspects of my deep consciousness that's been pocketed away

and pull it up and out. Because if I could pull up and out all of the parts of my wholeness, I could be present with anything and not be triggered, not be reactive. I could see it for what it is and embrace and maybe even keep my wherewithal enough to offer up a solution or to offer up another way of looking at things instead of getting emotional and reactive, et cetera. And so what is hidden inside of me once out in a moment of being triggered. And so if I ask the question, where in my system could I open a door to allow that to contribute to my engagement at this time, my interactions at this time, the system will automatically offer up an answer because that's how we're built. You ask the question, the question is

answered instantly. But if we're overriding it with our, you know, shutting it down by the idea that you shouldn't do that because it upsets me, or that should never have happened 20 years ago or 50 years ago in my life. And so I'm now harboring this anger or this frustration based upon what has happened in my story. Now what happens is we say for just a moment, I'm going to get underneath that whole story layer of me and free up this energy again because that anger can become passion. So we can recycle those energies and use them to our advantage once we learn how to do that. And so it starts by being present with something, but it doesn't stop there. Let's go into that reaction because it's an energy that you don't know what to do with. That's why we call it a trigger.

It spirals us into, you know, a loss of consciousness. We get reactive and we're living in that reactivity. But what if in that moment you could take that energy, and use it to collaborate and to build up a state of consciousness within this system that allows us to transform, not just transcend the primitive brain, not skip over it, but to transform its function and its role in our lives. Because when we do that, it gives us the power to stay the course, and it gives us the strength to allow for yet another moment of circuit building and another moment of circuit building

until we break free through that primitive brain function that has us stopped and cycling and recycling, and we open up into higher brain centers where we can be in a state of illumination and clarity. And we can see that these things that have been happening since we got here,

we're actually trying to show us how to disassemble the patterns of our ancestors and reassemble them in a state of relevance and consciousness that is fluid with a loving flow through our systems and intention for us to grow and evolve and flourish, which is what we're really here to do to experience the magnificence of ourselves and of life and possibility, instead of just live to fight another day kind of thing. And so when you describe, hey, if I can just come in here and stay present with something, some feeling that I'm feeling and not be afraid of that feeling, not be afraid of that energy,

if I can just, you know, be with it, I start to master my fear of it. If I can just, you know, allow it, I can start to own domain over the full, keyboard of my existence. I can animate all of it and not be afraid of any of it. And when I do that, I start to become more and more of the truth of who I am. I become more masterful at life. I'm able to be present with more and more of life's circumstances because I have familiarity. There's resonance. There's coherence. My autonomic nervous system is automatically going to recognize. Oh, I've felt this feeling before. I don't have to be afraid of it. oh, I've been present with this kind of feeling. I've had to come present with this kind of a feeling

before. And because of that, I know that I can generate that presence no matter what my circumstances are. And even if there's not a threatening circumstance, I can go to that vibration and cultivate it on my own, anytime I choose. And so we have the spaciousness to just invite it and to realize I can be with this sensation. And it's not going to take me out. It's not going to kill me. It's just just in energy. And I can breathe with this particular vibration. And when I do, I come to know a version of myself that I would never have, may never have known if the set of circumstances that's elicited it hadn't occurred and stirred it. That what we have to realize is that we come into this dimension so that those frequencies that we're unfamiliar with will get stirred so that we can

awaken to them consciously so that we can experience our wholeness regardless of our external circumstances. It turns into functional clarity in a moment where something at work isn't going well and you can, you know, you can stay present instead of being reactive. And so the issues, here's another part of my short answer here. The issues that bother us are showing us exactly what is needed now to have more of our wholeness animated in our lives. And they're nothing more than that. They aren't trying to take us out of the game. They're trying to put us in a bigger game all the while. Coming from that place of regulation, not only is it I find more of an effective way to actually get what you want. It's also just how you would want to live your life. If you're always in this

sympathetic state of fight and flight or freeze, it's just not an enjoyable way to be existing. Yeah, there's actually that reminded me of the other thing that you had asked, which you had mentioned, we don't really want the things that we want. We actually want the feeling that we believe the things that we want are going to bring us. And this is something that I live by and I also have all of my students that I coach. And this actually happened to me maybe a couple weeks ago when I was in Dallas for Easter. I was sitting there doing my thing where I was stressed that the goal wasn't happening fast enough. I was like, why isn't it happening on my timeline? And it made me. you know, stressed and anxious because that's what it does. And then I was doing my morning pages as I do. I had gone and did my workout and I was sitting on a park bench next to a tree, just journaling my morning pages. And I was like, okay, well, like this thing that I want, this goal that I have, what is the feeling that I believe that this goal is going to bring me? Because that's like what I really after is the feeling. And I identify that feeling is, you know, I want to feel like I'm growing. I want to feel like I'm expanding. I want to feel like I'm expanding.

I want to feel confident and I want to feel successful. That's how I want to feel. And I was like, okay, and I have a sort of process for this because, yes, I mean, living in the feeling state of your desires or living in the feeling state that you desire is really what it is, it absolutely makes your life more enjoyable. And that's the whole point because if life were about the destination and be called death, so we're supposed to be enjoying the process. But also, I've found that it absolutely brings more reasons.

to feel that way. And so I was like, okay, and I have kind of a two-part process for this. Like, the first step is, okay, what do you want? I was very clear on that. And then the second step was like, okay, what are the feelings that I actually believe the things that I want are going to bring me? And I wrote down those feelings. And then- What were some of those? That's what I just mentioned. So, like, feeling like I'm growing. To me, like, I have like some top wants, needs, values in life. And one of them is joy, right, that I mentioned. And the other one is feeling like growth. Like, to me, like, feeling like I'm growing is a huge kind of value that I have in any way, shape, or form, not just, you know, in a, like, in a physical sense, but also in like a spiritual

sense or a mental or, you know, whatever physical sense. And so, yeah, I wanted to feel like I was growing in some way, you know, like bettering myself, bettering my life, the world, whatever, making an impact. I wanted to feel, like, how is this thing that, how is the goal going to make me feel? It's going to make me feel more successful. It's going to make me feel more confident and myself, and it's going to make me feel like I'm growing, like I'm on the right path. And I was like, well, okay, I've identified that. Okay, the last step here is kind of a two-parter. So step three is a two-part. The first part is, what are all the reasons you already have to feel that way? And most of the time, we have so many reasons to feel that way right now. And I literally

just went on this list of all the reasons why I already had to feel like I'm growing. I'm like, M, you're going on Know Thyself podcast in like two weeks. Like, what do you mean? Like, you are growing. Like, what do you mean? You're going, doing these new opportunities. You're starting a YouTube channel, like you're doing YouTube. You just finished writing a book. Like, what are you talking about? Like, you have all these reasons to feel like you are growing and to feel confident. And just literally, I had someone that I coached once who printed out her resume and put it on her bathroom mirror to do this, to activate confidence, to activate the feelings that she desired. And so there's no right or wrong way to do this. But go on, I just went on a tangent list of all the reasons. I already had to feel that way, right? And then, you know, that's kind of the first part. And that's literally all I did that day a couple weeks ago. But there is a second part to this, which, you know, some people will be like, well, I don't have any reasons to feel that way right now. And that's where the second part of stuff three comes in where it's like, okay, well, what are some things that you can do right now that you have complete control over that we're.

will bring you that feeling. And so for me, completing a workout brings me that feeling. Meditating, like doing a meditation brings me that feeling. It always tunes me back into myself and reminds me of like the spirit angel dolphin alien that I am. And it always, you know, it always reminds me of that. And then I'm always just like, oh yeah, like it's fine. And so this different thing, right? So like I have a repertoire of things that I know bring me those feelings that I'm after. And maybe that they might not come straight off top of your head, maybe sitting with that question. will, you know, eventually bring up things. But literally within two hours, I get a call from someone on my team who's like, this amazing opportunity just came in. Like it was something that

I had been kind of just super in a detached way. I'm like, oh, that's on its way. Just like, every once in a while, it's coming. I don't know when, but it's coming. And I just trusted it fully. And I just would honestly say it as a joke. Like I wasn't even really like trying to manifest it. I would just say it as a joke. And literally I get a call right after, doing this exercise of activating the feeling states of my desires. And maybe that wasn't the specific goal, right, that I was sitting there being like, why isn't this happening? But it wasn't the specific goal that I had in my head, but it was something that made me feel all of those feelings that I was after. And I feel like that's another really great example of, and it just proves, like we don't

necessarily want the things we want. Like, we really do just want things to make us feel the way that we want to feel. And so being open to that, being open to alternate paths, alternate opportunities, different ways that something can help you feel that way. And immediately after that happened, I was just like, wow, I just did that activity and it already came. The number one thing, though, that helped me was just the act of vulnerability over and over and over and over again. And by vulnerability, I mean saying the thing that's true for you, despite the consequences. Saying like, oh, I'm a little scared there, or I don't want that, or I love you, or whatever

the truth is, it's like a little bit scary, that's the, that's like the trick. And it's very relational because the, the, the, the, I hate to call it this, but like the avoidance that can come with that, like, level of peace, what you're avoiding is the pain. of relationships earlier in your life. And so being able to be vulnerable and open yourself up to that pain again is the healing process. And so it is, it is,

it's getting deeply vulnerable. And that's the biggest trick. Yeah, which vulnerability and authenticity they've both gotten good PR agents. Recently. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, recently.

Horrible in the 50s. They weren't doing good. They've turned their brand, around, yeah. Which is interesting because there's the appearance of vulnerability and then there's the thing that actually feels vulnerable. Correct. Right. Oh, correct. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's like, so for instance, I just talked about my dad being an alcoholic. That was vulnerable for at some point in my life. That is not at all vulnerable, right? Uh-huh. Right. And, and so vulnerability, sometimes part of vulnerability is like saying something vulnerable that

nobody's going to think is vulnerable, right? You know, or, but yeah, it is, it has to make you pucker. That's how you know it's vulnerable because you go, right? Because one, there's a form of fear that's like, oh, I'm stepping into a bigger room. I'm going to, I'm being asked to take up a bigger space. That could be, I love you. That could be getting on stage and talking in front of 500 people. That could be taking a new role.

And there's like a, that's, and that tells you, oh, there's an act of, vulnerability here. There's like that pucker that comes with it. And so so that's I think one of the things that like lets you know you're being vulnerable is that that oh my God, am I going to, am I going to say the thing? What are the smoke signal, so to speak, of emotional suppression and how it, like, what are the key signs that whether or not we're aware of it, we are suppressing, you know, emotions to some degree in your experience? Yeah. So, Different emotions have different signals, but I can tell you easy ones. Like, so for instance, if you're highly rational, if you're like one of those people like, I'm highly rational, I can say to you, you also think you're better than people who aren't.

Which means you think you're better than people. And if I can tell that, then I'm using my rationality to tell that you are emotionally suppressed as well. Meaning. Judgment, essentially. Basically. If you judge somebody, if every moment you're judging somebody, you're judging somebody, you're, you're, you're. you are suppressing your emotions. You have to.

Like you can just, if you judge somebody, you can just say, if I couldn't judge them, what would I have to feel? And there will be an emotion, like, right there waiting for you. If I couldn't judge them, what would I have to feel?

If I just couldn't. Not that I'm not supposed, not that I shouldn't. But if I just couldn't judge them, what would I have to feel? So if somebody finds himself having the tendency to judge others, which slightly puts them above others,

what would be an example of something they're avoiding feeling in that moment? I mean, the best way is to just find it for yourself. Like, can you find anything that you judge anybody for? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So give me something that you judge someone for. Anything.

Small, big, doesn't matter. Yeah. Virtue signaling. Great, that's a great one. That's an awesome one. Easy one to judge. So if you couldn't judge somebody for virtue signaling, what would you have to feel?

What I have to feel? You're just not capable of it. Not capable of judging them. virtue signaling and then you just couldn't. Probably shame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Beautiful. Yeah, that's exactly. And that's how it goes. So for instance, one of the things I used to judge people for was like just those inane conversations, you know, 20 minutes of like how fast you went to the grocery store or whatever, what you bought. And I recognize it's like, oh, what would I have to feel? And it was just this deep grief.

because in my childhood, keeping it superficial was part of the way to avoid. And so I, there's like three weeks where I would just like seek out superficial conversations and I'd just be there, I'd be the weird guy there weeping while people are like talking about like what dress they bought at like Bloomingdale or whatever. And because I was like, oh, there's the gold for me. That's like I can, I can, if I can seek that out and then I can feel that emotion. And so that's exactly how I did it. Every time I found a judgment or I found something that I got triggered by

or I was like, okay, there's something there I couldn't feel. And then I would just reenact that over and over again until that trigger wasn't there in me anymore. So I would like go out and find virtue signaling and then like feel into that shame. Like I would like go to like a nice protest rally where everybody's virtue signaling and I would just sit in it. That's what those are the some of the things that I did. Yeah.

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slash know-liself, link in description as always, and use code no-lay-self to save 15% at checkout. I hope you enjoy. Back to the episode. The most important discipline that you have to bring into your life is do not imagine things and assert things that you don't know. In simple language, that is called a bloody lie. Your religions, your scriptures, your philosophies, your nonsense is all rooted in this bloody lie, talking about things which are not in your experience. Can you be a sincere enough human being? What I know, I know, what I do not know, I do not know.

Once you see, I do not know, it's the nature of human intelligence that you will want to know. The seeking to know, longing to know, will arise within you. If this happens, wherever your life's experience is right now, if you take one more step, that's a fantastic thing. But you took ten steps in your mind. Hallucination. So how to become conscious? How not to become a victim of my own thought and my own emotion?

First, there are many profound processes. But first thing is, see, if I think what I'm thinking is very small, Can I give it up? If I see this is stupid, then I'll distance myself. If I think I'm very smart, I'm thinking my thoughts are very, very profound and smart thoughts. Can I give it up? No way to give it up, isn't it? So this is a first step you do.

That whatever brilliant thought you have, your brilliance is only because there are some dumb people around you. Hello? Yes or no. Right now you say, you call your phone a smart phone. When do you call somebody smart? Only if they're smarter than you, isn't it? Hello?

Only if they're smarter than you, you call them smart. If you are smarter than them, you don't say they are smart. Similarly, you're calling a phone smart. That means... The phone is in dumb company. So, whatever the smartest thought you have doesn't even account for a tiny minuscule of this cosmos, isn't it? If you read all the libraries on the planet,

still what you know is a minuscule in this cosmos. In this whole universe, this solar system itself is a speck. In that planet Earth is a microspeck. In that California is a super microscope. In that, Los Angeles, is a super, super micro speck. In that, you are a big man. Lack of perspective, I'm saying. Once you lack such basic perspective, thoughts will run.

So the simplest thing to do is this. If you sit here and just look at yourself, Today, before you go to bed, you sit down, spend 10 minutes and do this. What are all the things you have gathered? Your home, you gathered it over a period of time. Your car, you gathered it. This body also, you gathered over a period of time, right? But you're born like this, you guys?

You were born like this? No. Slowly you gathered. So your body, you gathered. Whatever the content of the mind you gathered. People around you, you. gathered, everything gathered. Everything that you have gathered, just keep it aside.

Don't give it up, don't throw it out. Just keep it aside and go to bed. See if you can do that. It'll take some effort. But just do this. One day when you go to bed and wake up, you will wake up like a new being. Everything that you have gathered, you don't have to give it up. Just keep it aside for the night and sleep.

But you're not even able to keep the phone aside. You have to sleep with it. Hello? Forget about your mind. So make an effort. Ten minutes you spend today. Gradually the time can be reduced to two minutes. Two minutes in the night.

Sit there. Keep everything aside and sleep. Initially, it looks like a ridiculous exercise. One day when you just manage to do that, and sleep. Morning you wake up, you're boom. Just do that. Simple.

Because these thoughts are running like this, like mental diarrhea. Because you've eaten bad food. What you are not, you're believing you are. What you gather can be yours. Can it be you? Hello? Whatever you have gathered, I am not disputing it. It is yours.

But is it you? So what about your body? What about the content of your mind? What about the people? What about the things that you gathered? You gather them. It's yours. We will not take it away.

But it can't be you, isn't it? If you know that much, thoughts will deflate. Right now, you believe yourself to be something other than what you are. Suppose I think I am this vessel. You know I'm a nutcase. Yes or no? Tell me it's okay, yeah. So if you think you're this vessel, are you not a nutcase?

Hello? So when you're a nutcase, your thoughts will run like that. Because things are loose. So what is you? What is not you? You don't know what is you. At least what is not you? Keep it aside. What is not you?

Just keep it aside. Just two, three minutes in the night before you go to bed. Keep it aside and slip off. Comfortable, isn't it? You will see, thoughts will just fall away because only if you identify yourself with something that you're not, these thoughts will run away while like this. Otherwise, they will not.

They cannot because there's no fuel. We are not trying to apply breaks because there are no brakes on your mind. Switch off the ignition and switch. it will stop. Little, little role. There's the religious promise of the afterlife in heaven and hell, and I've spoken to you in the past about the afterlife and past lives and your internal struggle when awakening to the visceral experience of recollection of past existences

and rustling with that in your logical scientific mind. And so what is the middle path here in terms of experiencing what the reality is of what comes after we die? See, the problem with these things is if you tell somebody something which is not in their experience, very few people are sincere enough to see that maybe this is true, but not it true for me. Let me explore. Most people will start hallucinating. They will straight away go to heaven, talk to God, take a tour of the heaven, everything they will do within 10 minutes.

Hello? The moment you tell them there is a upper deck, you think they will not go there? They will go away, run away, and imagine all kinds of things. So let's see it this way. This is what I've been going at in so many different ways. You know you accumulated the body. It's just a piece of the planet, isn't it?

Hello? Just a piece of the planet. What do you eat? Peace of the planet sitting here. Serving you well as if it's part of you. Or as if it's you. It is part of you, but in your experience as if it's like you, isn't it? But you know, you have enough intelligence to understand.

You have gathered this. So is this. You have gathered this. So you have gathered this. If these two things are accumulations, everything else, you know the chair is not you, hello. Let me see when you get up, okay? You know the other things. So if these two things are accumulated, there seems to be something more.

You don't know. But there seems to be something more called myself. Maybe it's just an idea. Maybe it's just a bundle of thoughts and emotions. You don't know, but you know something beyond this blood and gore that you have, something more seems to be there here. Right now, you're looking at me? Or your eyes looking at me?

You're looking. Through the window of your eyes, you're looking at me. If you close your eyes, you're not looking at me, but you're still there. Windows closed, but you're still there, isn't it? So there seems to be something more. Beyond this body, there seems to be something more. It's not an absolute experience right now, but there seems to be something more.

So give it a chance. Let's see if we can make a little more out of that. Let's see if we can bring a little more of that into our experience. Right now this hand is properly in your experience, isn't it? It's here. If it becomes like this, as real as this hand in your experience, this something more which is looking at me through the window of your eyes, then you have no problem.

You know what is you, what is not here. It's just that your time and energies have never been applied in that direction. Your time and energies is you want to conquer the world. But even suppose I make you, don't tell anybody, if I make you the king of this world, will you be fulfilled? No. You'll want the moon, isn't it? Hello?

If I give you the moon, Mars? Mask is going there. How can you not take it before him? If I give you the whole solar system, you look at the rest of the galaxy. So there is something within you which, anyway, not going to. settle by shopping for more and more. So you shop what you need. No problem.

But shopping for the sake of enhancement is not going to work. Because if you get this much, but the person next you get that's much, again you'll feel the same thing. This happened just before I launched the Safe Soil project. I came to the United States and trying to do it. drum up support with the media and various other things. I think I also came to you guys at that time. At that time I'm sitting somewhere and one morning, one young man is running around like his tail is on fire.

I just look at him the way he is moving around. Hey, what are you up to? No, Satu, I want to make one billion dollars. I want to make one billion dollars. I said, only one billion? You come tomorrow morning, I'll give you $1 billion. Really, Sad Guru, you'll give me $1 billion? I said, yes, you come tomorrow morning, I'll give you $1 billion.

Eight of his friends had come with him. They were quietly sitting there. I said, see, these eight guys, I'm going to give all of them $10 billion each tomorrow. Why, Sad Guru, they get $10 billion, I get only one million? You idiot, just now you said your life's ambition is to get $1 billion. The moment they get $10 billion, you are already having a problem. Neither you got nor he got. But already there is a problem.

Because they're getting $10 billion. I'm getting $1 billion. So I'm saying whatever you get, you will compare to something else and struggle. So these outside things, you gather to the extent it's necessary. Different people need different things. I will not set a standard for you. My standards may be only this much. Maybe you need this much.

All right. But by gathering this much or that much, it will not enhance your life. It will enhance and facilitate our activity a little bit. If you have the money, if you have the convenience, you can do certain things in the world. But it will not enhance this in any way. Enhancing this means you have to approach it. You have to turn inward. Right now all your fives and sorgans are outward.

Yes? You can't roll your eyeballs inward and scan yourself. You can't hear what's happening here. You cannot smell what's happening in this body, otherwise you finished, I'm telling you. Yes or no? Somebody else you can smell. What's happening here you cannot smell?

Aren't you glad? So all sense organs are outward bound to turn inward. takes a bit of an effort. That effort is missing in the world. That's what we are trying to bring about. As a solution for life and death, the only thing is you turn inward that you are able to pay attention to something

that is beyond the accumulations of the body and the accumulations of the mind. If this one thing happens, the rest of it is just a play. Hey, y'all, a quick share. I've put a lot of care thinking about what I put into my body. as we all should but it's just as important to be mindful with what we put on our body

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it on me and I had no idea what it was except that it was the truth. It was the truth of my life. And I was, yeah, I was standing on a beach watching the sun go down. And I was looking at the light on the water. And I noticed that it wasn't just one brightness. It was like pieces of brightness, scales of brightness on the water, moving over this totally black surface of the water. Bright and black. I couldn't, is it bright, is it dark? I couldn't. It's trying to figure it out.

And all of a sudden, me and what I was looking at stopped being two things. There was only one world, one reality. And both the water and any sense. sense of Henry were both that reality. So the distinction had gone. And actually, I dropped right in then to this unbounded, empty substance. There was no substance. That was what the universe was made of. And I knew to the bottom of my being, all through my bones, that I was made of the universe. and I was not separate from it, and never had been and never could be, because we were one thing that was not really a thing.

But it was absolutely one. And I sort of emerged from that, you know, realized I was a person standing on a beach again. And then I was just enveloped by the sense of all of this, this whole life, this whole world. All of us, it's a dream. A most beautiful, sublime dream. And it's all made of love.

Like an immemorial love just enveloped everything. And, you know, it was, I knew it was real. And I was so blown away by it that I felt I had fulfilled. my life. That whatever the purpose of this life had been, which to be honest, I'd never thought about really before. I'd never really thought, what's my purpose? I'd just been following what I was told, studying and sports, gymnastics I did,

whatever, you know. But in this moment, suddenly it just was like a wave of love just enveloped me. right after that experience, you know. And it was like, I've had a purpose in this life. It was to realize exactly what I've just realized. And actually, years later, I heard Yogananda saying in an old documentary, you know, this life is a movie. It's a motion picture.

And the purpose of life is to turn. around and see the projector. And when I heard that, I thought, oh my gosh, that's so beautifully put. That's exactly how I felt when I was 19 and this thing happened. But, you know, what I really want to say is really important here. For me, is that actually, my life didn't end then. I could have died happily that night, knowing my life was fulfilled. But it didn't end. And a few weeks later, I went back home. I'd been far away from home when this happened. I went back home, and it was when I went home that actually I got overwhelmed by the unacknowledged trauma of my childhood, which I had put a lot of effort into suppressing. I'd evolved these adaptive personalities,

sub-personalities, parts, so that I could deal with the very difficult aspects of my my childhood, traumatic, complex childhood trauma that I grew up with. But I'd managed to kind of avoid feeling it because it was too much through my childhood with adaptations. When I went home at 19, after this experience, all those adaptive strategies had been ripped away. I was wide open, which was very beautiful. I was so open and full of love and very aware of suffering in the streets when around me. I was in South America at the time and so on. As soon as I got home, literally almost walked through the door of my father's house.

Actually, an hour later, I was just overwhelmed by these terrible memories and emotions in my body of my childhood that I had not been able to feel as a kid had avoided. suppressed, buried. But the awakening opened me. So I could feel them. But at that time, I had no resources and I didn't want to feel them. I thought it was a catastrophe that I could be feeling these terrible things. And I thought I'd lost that marvelous awakening. And I went into despair. And I think this is, I really feel this is a crucial part of this whole process that we humans can go through of awakening. It's also healing.

It's always, I think, going to be both awakening and healing. Because for me, I was a very reluctant sort of client, patient, needer of healing. I didn't want to know about it, even then at 19. and it took me well several years three years four years of being really unhappy drinking you know at university and kind of dragging myself through life gradually finding a little more joy with music actually i was a musician and writing again and you know but then i found meditation and almost as soon as i started meditating i realized man i'm unhappy you know, and I started therapy and I started dealing with all the trauma in my childhood. And, you know, it's been a kind of twin journey of awakening and healing, how to live more consistently and get actually even more deeply into whatever that was that I opened up to, but also be dealing with this suffering, troubled, traumatized human being.

And I think the mercy of this path is that it doesn't leave either behind. mind. A lot of us are under this assumption that these two things are fused, that like the spiritual or contemplative work will solve the parts work, the healing work, the growing up. And I think they are intrinsically linked, very complimentary, but not the same. And, you know, it's something we talk about quite a bit because I think it's really important to have a holistic understanding of what awakening means, right? And under just the meditative, contemplative lens, we can wake up beyond the idea of being identified with our thoughts and emotions. We can have these more formless John estate experiences. And it doesn't fix the, in some ways it can make

it even harder to take seriously these like characterological stuff. I think it makes it easier to work with because we're less reactive to them. In your case, it made space for that to come to the surface, right? Yes. But any other thoughts you have there on the importance between the two and how they're both essential, but they don't necessarily solve one another? Yeah. I think it's really important to state like you, because I think, you know, in a therapeutic context, I've never been in a therapeutic contest that really deeply understood awakening but they didn't really know

that they didn't really understand it and I've also been in meditative, contemplative context that didn't really understand trauma and thought that they were the fix for everything. So I love this, there's in early Chinese Buddhism from the sixth century, there's a document that talks about the path of practice as a cart track, not a path.

You know, we talk about, like, often talk about like spiritual paths, it's the path up the mountain or something. But this idea, the cart track, says, no, it's not a path. It's a track, meaning there are two wheel tracks. And it says the first wheel track is the foundations of mindful. And by that it means this early Buddhist training, you gradually develop your mindfulness. And it expands. It gets deeper and deeper. You get into Janus. Maybe you get a realization, but it's a gradual cultivation of the human mind, body, heart system.

The second wheel track running parallel to it all along, just like a cart track, is awakening. So rather than it being a journey to the mountain, up the mountain, awakenings alongside all the way, which I think is accurate. It's also because it's always here. And it also, it's not affected by, in a certain way, it's not affected by the practice, the gradual cultivation and development that we probably all need to do to some degree, which is a beautiful thing as well.

But what happens is that the more we're working on the gradual developmental side, the more open we become to maybe having glimpses of the awakening side. The more we might glimpse the awakening side, the more space there is to work with the gradual, I call it healing side. And somehow I think this is a really helpful metaphor. It's not a single journey to the destination. In a certain way, all the old traditions are right, the destination's here all along. But to actually glimpse it and integrate it, we probably need to do all this gradual work basically on ourselves and on our relationships and on our trauma, on our history, on our collective trauma, and our ancestral trauma, let alone, of course, our personal trauma.

society in a lot of ways does celebrate childhood adaptations, right? A lot of times drive, right, is seen and celebrated as motivation as an individual who's seeking to achieve and then who does achieve. And I make a case that, or I am of the belief that a lot of times the continuous action or seeking comes from a childhood where love was conditional, where we learned that we had to go and do and acquire certain things or present ourselves in. certain ways to maintain the connection and the belonging that we need it. I think society also in some ways celebrates other behaviors as well, right, the behaviors of being shut down and easygoing to

some extent for some of us, right, are celebrated as opposed to on the other side, sometimes moments where we're being passionate and explosive, right? Those two also can be celebrated. So I think that there's a lot of aspects of society where certain parts, hearts or identities or habits are seen and looked at, you know, in a more positive light when really they're grounded, again, in our best attempt to maintain secure connections, because in childhood, we need to be connected to the world around us. It's the only way that we can care or be cared for. So by being attuned to what's happening around us, including society's messaging and those of us that kind of continue on that path do, I think it's celebrated in some ways.

It's so fascinating once you start to see this all around you, but primarily in yourself, like the motivating forces for ambition, even spirituality, which can be a big one for a lot of people. I know parts it perhaps was for me as well, where the path of meditation or just the seeking of solace in any form can be driven from this place of dysregulation. And so could you set the framework for how that emotional, home base is created in childhood. Yeah, so in childhood, again, when we are completely dependent, not only for our physical needs, but for our emotional needs, we're incredibly adaptive.

We will change ourselves because we can't change the environment around us. And even locating emotional needs in childhood is a newer shift, even in the clinical psychology world. And that really came when we understood the development of our nervous system, the fact that a child cannot calm oneself down on its own. need a safe adult to come and to soothe or to downregulate when a child is crying or upset or in a state of need. So then depending on the consistency or the inconsistency, so even just putting my childhood into this conversation, it wasn't necessarily a matter that I did have

two parents who were physically present. What impacted me was the lack of emotional attunement. So without that, we will modify parts of ourself. only show the parts that are accepted or aren't shamed or even yelled at, we will become, again, who we need to be to maintain the bonds that are closest to us or that are most important to us. And then, because our nervous system will always prefer the familiar, this is why we get so stuck in patterns, even if we know they're dysfunctional and they might be betraying us or we might be neglecting ourselves or maybe hurting those around us because our nervous system, will prefer those predictable patterns because it knows what comes next. Even if what comes next

is something we want to avoid, it feels safer to us than the unknown. So that is for some of us why we continue to, no matter how much insider awareness we might have, right, we might know that we're in a safe relationship, yet we can't help those instinctional reactions that our body elicits, the moment that someone appears upset with us, or the moment that someone isn't communicative with us as we would like them to be, right? We spiral into panic because maybe our body remembers a time where we didn't have secure connection, where distance met rejection or met abandonment. So we memorize to some extent the emotional climate and the reality, again, for most of us adults, because we were raised by humans who were raised by humans. And if we think

back to past generations, many of our parents and our grandparents didn't have access to this information. Like I just even acknowledge, this nervous system science is new information and some of us didn't have access to resources to financials. So for all of those reasons, more often than not, we didn't have the safety and the emotional attunement that we needed in childhood. So the home base that we keep returning to isn't a grounded, safe, secure one. And though, while that is the case, we can create that at any time. So through all of my work, I hope to empower. I like to explain why some things are the way they are at this current moment, but it's not to say that that's how they will always be because we now know that our body and our mind is incapable of incredible change through

neuroplasticity, through practicing small new choices each and every day. We can actually change that climate that we're trying to return to at all times. Yeah, I love that you're in many ways. Carpenter of good news because it's like it's not that something's wrong with you that you're broken and now you're that way, but rather there are all these tools for you to be able to be able to connect to that place, regulate yourself, and take control of your path in a sense that, and largely we were living unconscious before. But why does somebody become avoidant versus anxious and so on? So if in childhood, if connection and compassion and safety were inconsistent, we didn't know when they were. would be available, and again, I'm going to really generalize this, the safest thing that we could do

is become hyper-aware or hyper-vigilant to any shift or change that might indicate that that attention, that connection, that safety will move away. So we become hyper-vigilant, and oftentimes, right, we end up pursuing as we do or we see in an anxious attachment style. Right. And avoid an attachment style might look like a childhood where we didn't have that attunement. So emotions were so big, the safest thing to do was to suppress them, to shove them down or to disconnect from them as I lived the majority of my life in a state of dissociation or a disconnected state where I lived in my mind. I was always thinking, analyzing, no surprise, I became a psychologist, of course, living on my spaceship, as I called it. So a lot of times that disconnected feeling or that kind of way of being that

we see it and avoid it, right, comes from an absence of connection. Because when I don't have someone to be safe with me in childhood, I am left alone with my emotion. So sometimes the safest thing I can do, right, is to avoid them, to disconnect from them. And then we see that pattern play out when I'm relating to others, wait, where I keep myself far away from any connection that is possible, even if now in adulthood, that connection is safe. So that's avoided.

So that would be avoiding is the absence of connection. And again, I'm simplifying in childhood, looks like those distancing, those pulling away behaviors. It's the person who almost feels like they have a wall up. They're present and showing up for the relationship, but you don't really have a sense of kind of how they're thinking or what they're feeling and or they move away, right? They leave a relationship before intimacy deepens or they hyper focus on flaws in someone else to, you know, be the reason why this relationship won't work to prevent closeness in time. where if we want to say like the opposite, so to speak, the anxious, right, will be the person who's pursuing hypervigilant, sensing any shift in tone, worried if you're upset with me or not, and trying to pursue to maintain that connection because they are in contrast to the avoidant who never had the connection, right, and anxious attachment had parts of it in certain moments. So that's what we then become vigilant to, right? Any indication that the connection that might be available might leave. How much would you say, and it's probably really hard to give an accurate percentage,

but like of people that are actually secure and then disorganized, right? So disorganized to kind of wrap that one in there. That would be when the parent, right, this person who we need safety and security from, when they are the source of our abuse or our neglect. So then we have kind of mixed messaging, right? The person that I'm quite literally wired to connect to is also the person that's abusing me or that's like neglectful of me. So that then is a bit of a, we could think about as a combination in a sense of the avoidant

versus the anxious attachment where it's kind of like we desperately want closeness, but we're desperately afraid of it at the same time. And honestly, I think secure attachment is few and far between. I think there are fewer adults than you would see in those other attachment styles that are securely attached. Again, because few of us in our lineages, right, had parents, grandparents that had these tools and skills themselves. But again, I want to be clear, secure attachment can be created through new safe, secure relationships, and of course through us changing and learning how to be safe and securely attached ourselves.

Once you understand and you start to explore these different attachment styles, you can start to pinpoint how you typically relate to love and the way that we, especially how it shows up in normal. romantic dynamics, I think it becomes pretty obvious what we're attracted to, the person who's emotionally unavailable, for example, and we see that pattern come up over and over again, start to have some insight into this. Then how do you build on on top of attachment systems with your model? I think all change happens with the awareness that we continue to speak of, learning how to be present to ourselves and our lives, learning to understand what habits we are

carrying into our relationships in particular, maybe what beliefs or identities are driving those habits, right? For a lot of us, we become the caretaker in an adult relationship, because, again, there was safety in worrying about or appeasing other people in childhood. So all change happens when we first see ourselves, right, from that grounded state of presence, not from a child who couldn't, right, zoom out and understand context and change, but from an adult who has that capacity. But to, again, acknowledge that oftentimes we don't yet have the tools to do or shift our actions in the moment, right? So the awareness that I'm speaking of means throughout consistent moments in our day dropping into our body, determining how I feel in the physical sense. Of course, in addition to what I'm thinking and emotionally, right, what emotions I might be having in that moment, but it begins with presence, right?

because the more aware I am of what's happening behind the scenes, the more than I give myself the opportunity to change patterns or habits that aren't working for me. But again, for a lot of us, we become locked and loaded, especially if these patterns are all we've known ourselves to be, if they're wrapped around identities, again, if our nervous system is dysregulated. A lot of times, right, in the moment where instead of screaming or yelling or disconnecting, we want to do something different, we're not going to have that capacity unless we begin to reconnect with our body to begin with, to learn when our body is under stress, and to learn then how to calm our body down. Because so much of change happens through the body, not just through insight alone.

Just to tie a bow on that, when you think about how often we are trying to get a need met, the only way we know how, what are some of the most common patterns you see in your clinical practice as this shows up over and over again. I think a really common way that we go to get our need met is we don't communicate it. We just enact it, right? We do the thing that we once learned to do, whether it's the most, I think, common pattern that I also identify with myself is where we are the people pleaser, the appeaser, right? Where we remove ourselves from the equation, thinking that the way to meet our needs is by

caring for or by appeasing or allowing someone else to be okay. before we are okay for ourselves. So I think that is a really, really common one that I see very often, which is where we learn to focus externally, and we continue then to focus externally on the world around us, on other people, on what they might want or need,

and we forget to factor ourselves into the equation. I've really just thoroughly enjoyed getting to get more glimpses of insight into the different parts of your journey, And I think people are going to really resonate with it because you're being real. And I know it feels raw, I'm sure at times. But again, and I mentioned earlier, like, I just commend you for showing up so courageously to, like, say what it is and not just what it wants to sound like. Yeah.

I appreciate that. Thank you. And I, you know, I've also, I'm at this place in my life where I'm like, okay, I have talked about these things a lot. Like, what else do I want to talk about? And I'm just so grateful to be able to be in this point in my life to have these conversations. And like you never know what's going to affect someone. You never know.

I always, that's why like when I come into these things and I was like, ask whatever you want. Like, we don't have to prepare because I know that the right words are going to come out of my mouth to affect the right people that need to hear it in that moment, whether that's five people or 5,000 people or whatever. I just believe that things always happen as they should. should. Is there anything else on your heart?

Could be about anything that you feel called to share about or that we haven't talked to. Okay. So I'm 36. I'm not married and I don't have kids. And I'm, I finally, you know, I've been greeted with a lot recently within my world of people being like, oh. And I just feel like there's a lot of women who probably need to hear that it's okay to not have that at this point.

in your life. Like, I have seen so many people in my life settle down, have kids, have the family, and that's beautiful, and that's amazing. And I know that that's a part of my life soon. It isn't yet, but I think that, I don't know why I felt called to say that. I do believe that there's big lessons within being alone at this time in your life. There's nothing wrong with it. I think that if you are, at a place in your life where you feel alone or you are single, I'm willing to bet you're being called towards something really, really amazing. So to like enjoy the time with yourself and like get comfort.

I feel like maybe the world is trying to tell you something. Does that make sense? No, for sure. I feel like society tries to tell us to that we need certain things in order to live a fulfilled life. But basically just don't compare your journey to anyone else's. Just a note on that. because I have a lot of women in my life also who are mid, late 30s, early 40s,

who I know would be incredible mothers that want to be mothers, not everyone wants to have kids. And the reality of the biological clock for a woman is different than a man's. Yeah. I'm just curious, any other thoughts on how you navigate that kind of that dance of that yearning and then also like not settling for something. Oh, well, that's the thing is like, I'm so comfortable being alone. I love my life.

I love the people in my life. I made a commitment to myself that whoever I end up with has got to be really excellent. You know, like it doesn't mean you don't compromise with someone, but like I want a true partner and someone who can like meet me where I'm at and have an understanding of what I've been through. But obviously, like, yeah, there is the biological conversations that are very valid. But I think it just goes back to. I just believe in, it'll make sense.

I believe in the timing of my life and it'll, when it all happens, I'll be like, oh, I see why it had to happen that way. We put so much pressure on ourselves and on other people and, and I don't know if there's really a way to avoid that, but I do, I have found it comforting to have conversations with women who found all of that later in their life. And I know that I wouldn't have been able to handle all of that at a different time in my life.

No way. I would have completely, that would have, you know, I wasn't mentally, emotionally, spiritually able to nurture all of that then. So, yeah, I don't know why I felt called to say that. I think it's really important. I'm glad you did. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people can really resonate.

with that. Yeah. After so many pathways done, after so much science done, I've come to the conclusion that there is a wall of ignorance, a wall of opportunistic greed and money and power going on. We got so much technology, yet we are barbaric the way we are in the world. It's time for the love. It's time for the soul. And the simple. tools I have found make people really able to get back to the factory settings of Mother Nature. That is to love each other and to hug each other instead of, oh, sorry, I touched you. Hey, who did that, man? It's not about sex. It's about love and that is fucking good. You know, I just wake up people and I say it's time for the soul.

We have been playing in the shit show enough. Too much wars, too much, are we men? Are we able to protect our children? We are children ourselves in the face of Mother Nature. Are we playful? Are we powerful, so powerful that we can play, that we don't feel fear? All that we are not. It takes beings of light.

The new people, the new real investigators, not these so-called scientists in the Hayakic system, who are just sitting there following the industry, not humanity. So for that, the podcasts, it is the new way to spread what is really going on and what is really benefiting to humanity. my core message therein for in this podcast to do be spread is simple through these tools

cold and breathing we are able to get back into the depth of ourselves into the autonomic nervous system and the autonomous processes in the brain autonomous means outside our will and autonomy means that you are a person who is able to handle his emotions, his freedom, his energy, his body and mind. It's all there. And it's every day it should be there unconditionally. But not in a society that demands us to be narrow-minded and serve this system like a brick in the wall. We are no bricks in the wall, guys. We are the whole house. And we should be able to go into any space of that house. because it's our temple, and our being there makes it sacred.

And that is our brain. We should be able to go into any space of our own brain, which is connected to the central nervous system, and it's connected everywhere. And it doesn't mean that you need to be everywhere in the house. No, you sit like we sit, relaxed in the living room, and when you are sleepy, you go to sleep, nicely is another room. Then you don't, you're no longer in the living room. And then in the

kitchen to make some food. And then with the kids there, and there you play, make music. There you get with the dog and don't go all the time in the house because he's going to shit in the house. So you need to go out. I could be a billionaire already, but I am not a seller. I'm the living room.