Know Thyself - E28 - Ben Nemtin: Live the life YOU want & Die With No Regrets

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

Ben Nemtin, founder of The Buried Life, shares how to live the life you want and achieve everything on your bucket list. He tells the story of his most pivotal moments, from overcoming depression - to creating The Buried Life, he explains the importance of purpose and the people you surround yourself with.  The Buried Life was an MTV show in which Ben & his friends travelled around the country crossing everything off their bucket list, and helping others do the same. Ben has since become a motivational speaker & creator of the Bucket List Journal, aiming to help others live their most authentic lives and die with no regrets.  Ben explains today how to claim your authentic self, and make true shifts in life.   ___________ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro 2:41 Ben’s Most Pivotal Moments  7:51 The Buried Life  15:02 Follow Your True, Original Course 35:47 Best Buried Life Moments 41:29 Claiming Your Authentic Self 50:37 Making Change in Your Life 53:07 How the Internal Shifts the External  1:04:28 Ben’s Bucket List 1:05:42 Conclusion   ___________ Ben Nemtin:   Ben is the #1 New York Times best-selling author of What Do You Want To Do Before You Die? and a star of the MTV show The Buried Life. In 2022 Ben ranked 3rd Best Motivational Speaker in the World and World’s Top Organizational Culture Thought Leaders by Global Gurus.   As the co-founder of The Buried Life movement, Ben’s message of radical possibility has been featured in major media including The Oprah Winfrey Show, The Today Show, CNN, NBC, FOX, ABC, CBS, and more.   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bennemtin/ The Bucket List Journal: https://writeyourlist.com Website: https://www.bennemtin.com The Buried Life: https://theburiedlife.com ___________   Know Thyself Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ Website: https://www.knowthyself.one Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKg   Listen to all episodes on Audio:  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927     André Duqum Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/   Meraki Media https://merakimedia.com https://www.instagram.com/merakimedia/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I started to slowly slide into a depression, dropped out of school, got dropped from the team. Ultimately got the place where I couldn't leave the house. And I just thought that I was broken. I was like, I want to make a movie. And that one decision totally changed my life. We begged, borrowed, and stole to get this two-week tour off the ground. It got the news. And then people started to hear about it.

And then strangers would be like, hey, I saw ride a bull. We can help you get on a bull. Make a toast to a stranger's wedding. Like, my buddy's getting married. I got you. I can go you. And we're like, whoa, what is happening? People were then starting to get inspired to do their list just because we were doing ours.

When you do what you love, you actually inspire other people to do what they love. Two-week road trip ended up lasting 12, 13 years. People on their deathbed, they don't regret the things they did. They regret the things they didn't do. You have gifts that only you can give to the world. You have a responsibility to act on those things. And I really believe that if more people did what they love, the world would be a better place. Hello, beautiful people.

Welcome back to the Know They Self Podcast. for every single week, we get the honor and privilege filled with excitement to be able to sit down with a beautiful mind and open heart and somebody that can share their life experiences and see what we can glean from it on the path of knowing ourselves in the world deeper and deeper. My guest today is a number one New York Times bestselling author, a top motivational speaker, co-founder of the buried life. And as a star on the show, the MTV show, The Buried Life, traveled all around the world, sharing his message and asking the essential question of what do you want to do before you die.

He's been on various prominent shows like the Today Show and the Oprah Winfrey Show. And he shares his message of finding fulfillment all across the world. He is somebody that is a founder and creator now of the Bucketlist Journal, which is now available. And we're going to dive into a little bit today. And I'm really looking forward to this conversation. It's going to be filled with so many nuggets of wisdom and insights from his life and reflecting on all of how the challenges we face in life often inform our path and allow us

ultimately to discover the life we truly want to live. And so without further ado, Ben Nempton, welcome to the show. Thank you. Good to be here. Yeah, excited to get to know thyself. Yeah, let's do it. So good, man. Well, it's been pleasure getting to connect with you a little bit more recently over the past few months and getting to hear a little bit more of your story and see more you're impacting the world and showing up, it's really beautiful. And I know it's been a long time coming. You know, this path has been really beautiful to see unfold. And I'd be, you know, I would love to just kind of open the floor for you to share a little bit of, you know, oftentimes we look back on our path for you going through depression, you know, the rugby, the rugby era days, the buried life

and those pivotal moments of like deciding I got to change my friend group up or I want to, you know, go in this direction a little bit differently. And how. how that informed you to be who you are today in the way that you're sharing your message today. So if you can just walk us through a few of those pivotal moments and how they shaped you to where you're at today, and we can go from there. Yeah. Okay, good. I like that, actually.

We'll jump from pivotal moment to pivotal moment. So pivotal moment number one, I got really quite depressed out of what I felt like nowhere. Like I'd never been through any type of mental health crisis before. And I thought my life was really good. Like I was checking all the boxes. You know, I had an academic scholarship. I had made the national rugby team. And this is kind of rugby on the west coast of Canada is like football in the south.

It was just like the sport you played. And so I was on the under 19 national rugby team. You know, I had some great friends. I was really enjoying this next chapter of going from high school into university. but I just put so much pressure on myself. Like I really, I think I really, like, wanted people to like me. So I would just, like, I try really hard. And we were training for the World Cup.

And I played fly half. So I was kicking field goals, call in plays, like quarterback, field goal kicker, punter, all in one position. And I started, I had missed a big kick in a high school game, like at the end of the game in the championship. And I was thinking like, okay, fuck, that can't happen again. And I started to think about it at night and I lose sleep. I got anxiety and this anxiety, this loss of sleep, this pressure that I put on myself, I started to slowly like slide into a depression. And I was unable to make decisions.

Like I couldn't decide if I could go to school or not or if I could go to practice or not. So my decision would be indecision. So I wouldn't go to school, dropped out of school, wouldn't go to practice, got dropped from the team. ultimately got the place where I couldn't leave the house. And so my parents were freaking out because this here's their kid who was, you know, a couple months ago, A-type going out, having a lot of fun and now having trouble leaving the house. And I was just spiraling. And I didn't know that other people went through this, right?

Like I didn't have a therapist. I hadn't talked to any of my friends about it. And I just thought that I was broken. And I didn't think I would come back. Like I was like, this is, this is it. You know, like, I can't, you know, get back on the team. Like, I don't know if I can get back into school. And thank God, my friends came and literally, like, pulled me out of the house after I dropped

out of school. And they're like, you're coming with us to work in a new town for the summer. And I was forced to, like, do things for myself. I got a job. I started talking about what I was going through. And I learned, like, oh, shit, like, my friends have been through stuff as well. well. And then I got a bit of confidence. And then I started, this is the pivotal thing. I started meeting young people that were different than the kids that I'd hung out with high school,

creative people that would just like make things out of nowhere or they'd start their own businesses or they'd already traveled around the world. And I started to realize some people give me energy. Some people drain me. And I was like, I need to be around people that give me energy. And there's this one kid from high school that started a clothing line right out of high school. And I was so enamored by the idea that he did this. I just wanted to get involved. Like I was like, can I help you do anything? And he was like, oh, you can help me like get on some blogs. And so I got, I got energy from doing this thing with him. And I thought, well, if he did that, I wonder what I could do. And I was like, I want to make a movie. I could always want to make a documentary. And there's

only one kid that I knew that made documentaries or videos. And it was this kid from my neighborhood I'd named Johnny. He'd taken my sister to prom, and I wasn't sure if they were dating or if they dated or not, so I was a little hesitant to reach out to him. But I called him up, and it turned out that he had another buddy that had sort of been talking to him about making something. So we called him, we called his older brother, and the four of us got together, and we're like, okay, we're going to make a documentary.

No idea what it's going to be about. This is back in 2006, but we're just going to make a film in the summer, and like, that's why we got to at that point. But that was the kind of the first pivotal moment because I was intentional about the people that I started to surround myself. And that one decision of trying to surround myself with people that inspire me would totally change my life to this day. Yeah.

Powerful. It's just so funny how seemingly at those times and those moments where it seems like an insignificant decision of just like making a slight change in your trajectory then puts you down a completely different path. And so from that moment. take us a little bit deeper, right? Because you got out of this funk that you were in, you started surrounding yourself with different individuals,

and then where did that ultimately lead you to? Well, I like to just also comment on the point you make because I think a good visual for that is like if you hit a golf ball off by one degree, by the time it lands, it could be like 60 yards away from the pin. Totally. So the empowering idea is that you can change your life in any moment

just by making small little shifts. And you may not know how you're going to actually end up being changed, but you have that power because it's just small little shifts that compound over time. And so, you know, back to your question. So now we're like, okay, let's make this film. And then Johnny had been assigned a poem in English class serendipitously. The poem was called The Buried Life, 150-year-old poem. And this poet talked about how the day-to-day buries what you really want to do. You have these buried dreams and you're inspired to go after them but then the day to day buries them. And we're like, whoa, this guy talked about this 150 plus years ago and we feel the

same way. We're not the first people to feel like this. Why don't we take this name for our film? And because we were like, why haven't we done any of the things we've ever wanted to do? Like, we haven't even tried. Like, we're just, we're just doing things we think we should do. But what do we actually want to do? And the only thing that made us. get clarity on what we wanted was thinking about death. And that's why we came up with this question, what do you want to do before you die? Because the thought of death put things in perspective.

And suddenly we realized we don't have much time. We're definitely going to die. So what do we want to do with the time left? And our bucket list actually just came from that question. Like when we went around, we're like, what do we want to do before you die? There were so many ideas. we're like, well, let's do all these.

And that's how the bucklist started to form. And so we thought, okay, great, this is what we'll do. We'll go after our list. But then we'll ask other people what do you want to do before you die. And if we can help them, then we will. And we'll take a two-week road trip in 2006, whether we walk, bike, or bore an RV to make this happen. And we'll film it. And that'll be it.

And we'll show it to our friends afterwards. And it'll be great. Yeah. So fascinating, man. Can you share a little bit of the poem just because it's powerful? Yeah. So the few of the lines that I really like is, but often in the world's most crowded streets,

but often in the din of strife, there rises an uninspeakable desire after the knowledge of our buried life. And I think that that's when you feel and you experience that thing that you love so much, it's hard to forget that. But it's so easy to push it down the road because the day-to-day starts to bury what that, like, core purpose and truth is.

And there's another really good line about following your true original course. And that for me is everything. You know, and I think that's what I've been trying to do since then is just to follow and that my course and figure out what that is. And what was cool about the list was it was liberating to write down what I really wanted to do. And then it was also liberating to share. and talk about those things that I wanted to do. And then we were surprised that people actually wanted to help us.

And that's what happened on the tour was unexpectedly. We, you know, beg, borrowed and stole to get this, like, rag tag two-week tour off the ground. Bored an RV, got a secondhand camera on eBay, and we left. We didn't even tell people what we were doing because it was like no one understood. Like sometimes we put together these sponsorship packages. send them to companies and they're like what like we're not going to pay for you to go like one response is like a booze-filled road trip and so we're like okay I guess we're just going to have to we threw parties as fundraisers we we work two jobs throughout the school year we're like we only

need two weeks enough for gas and then we're good and but then it got in the news and then people started to hear about it and they go to our website and they see our bucket list and then strangers would be like, hey, I saw ride a bull. We can help you get on a bull. I saw it get up on a hot air balloon. I can call my friend at Remax or make a toast to a stranger's wedding. Like, my buddy's getting married. I got you.

I can go, you. And we're like, whoa, what is happening? All these people wanted, like, we didn't think people would really care about our list. We were just going to do it for fun. The real core of the dock was going to be helping other people. But people were then starting to get inspired to do their list just because we were doing ours and that was another pivotal moment when I realized oh shit when you do what you love you actually inspire other people to do what they love so you encourage them to follow their true course by you

staying true to you yeah which I'm sure you found many times just by you staying true to who you are doing this podcast inspiring other people to be true to them and I think it was super selfish to have these personal passions and goals and, you know, like there's things I needed to do. And I think we feel like that a lot. But it really is a win-win. You get to fulfill yourself. You get to inspire other people. And ultimately, I think you get to make a bigger impact because you're sort of channeling that,

channeling that true self. And so at that point, we knew none of that. We're just out there having a blast. And shit's just happening for us, right? And then people are sending us their dreams asking for our help. And so we come back from that two-week road trip. I'm like, whoa, that was crazy. You know?

And we're like, we got to keep doing this. Go back to school, fundraise throughout the year, buy a big old purple bus from this nudist that we met in Vancouver and get a film crew the next summer to continue to film. We got pretty big sponsors, Levi's Palm Pilot at the time. And then we were like bigger list items, help more people. And so kicked off this. adventure where this two-week road trip ended up lasting 12, 13 years.

Wow. There's so many things that we just opened up that I want to touch on individually. First, from the poem, like, there's two things that really stick out to me in that part of the poem, which you shared. One is like the feeling of like not expressing yourself after your buried life. Like there's this feeling of regret. Yeah. And then also, which is his own separate can of worms, is tracking our original course,

which is interesting to dive down. We can a little bit later in the podcast just because that, That's an interesting thought that we actually even do have an original course, you know? Right. But I think it's so, there's so many different things that you touched on. One, the contemplation of our own morality being a catalyst to living a life of fulfillment and how powerful that is. It's like one of the most powerful things we can actually do.

And part of that is like seeing what would actually matter to me, you know, when I'm 80 years old or 100 years old on my deathbed. And so many people just really regret what they haven't done. So if you want to speak to that, I think it's a really powerful. understanding and thing to sit with. Yeah. We're really nailing the pivotal moments because this is another pivotal moment was I read a research paper by a psychologist named Tom Gillivich, which is kind of the reason why I wrote the journal.

And he found that people on their deathbed, they don't regret the things they did. They regret the things they didn't do. But the thing that was so wild to me was that 76% of the people he asked on their deathbed when he asked them, what's your number one regret? They said not living my life for me, living for what I thought others wanted for me or what was expected of me.

And I thought, oh, that's a big problem. Like, that's crazy that three quarters of the population will realize too late that they blew it. I mean, I can't imagine that feeling. So I wanted to, one, give people permission. to dream and then to give them the steps to actually hopefully achieve those things because I don't think it's as hard as we think to do these things. You know, because I sort of stumbled into this thing and I've been doing it for 10, 15 years. And I was like, why doesn't everyone do this?

You know, like it's, I'm not smarter than anybody else. I was just young, dumb, and broke enough to try in the beginning. And I realize that there's actually very simple things that you can do to make these things happen. And they corroborated with the research. Because what Mr. Gilvich found was that the three main reasons why we don't achieve our personal passions, goals, bucket list, dreams, whatever you call them. One, there's no deadlines. So something always is going to pop up that has a deadline in your life that's more important.

So we continually push them. And we think we have all this time. because we don't think about our death, and we realize too late that we're out of time. The second problem is that we're usually waiting to feel inspired to go after these things. And the inspiration rarely hits. And then the last and the biggest is fear,

fear of what other people think are fear or failure. So we can talk about how we get over those barriers, and that's what I was trying to do with the journal. And so, but at this point, you know, we're just having the time of our life. We're on the road, right? We're helping other people. I'm being creative for the first time in my life,

which I now know is a huge part of who I am. And I need that creative expression to be happy. I also want to make sure that I'm very clear that it wasn't just surrounding myself with other people that pulled me out of the depression. It was a therapist. It was a number of different things. I have this mental health toolkit of things that I know are good for me.

And I know that there's a ton of people that are really having a difficult time right now, more now than ever. And I think that if you take one thing away from this, it's talk to a professional about what you're going through. If you can, if you can't, talk with someone that you care about, that cares about you. Open up about it, talk about it. you're able to work through things a little bit easier when you talk about them. They're much scarier in your head.

You also open the door for other people to come back to you when they eventually hit their challenge. And it's okay. It's normal to kind of go through these periods in your life where you are really having a tough time and you actually learn things about yourself. And you build empathy for other people. And it makes you who you are. So I just want to mention that because I just want to mention that. I just didn't want to feel like it was just a turnkey. Totally.

Like, I'll hang up with Bob instead of gym and now I'm not depressed. Yeah. Yeah. And just to know that our story is continually unfolding, like, I'm sure those moments of depression or where you were really struggling going through those challenges, they're difficult in the moment. But who you are today is so much more valuable to the world and how you can show up. And like you spoke to, the empathy that you can carry and the wisdom that you can share

because of the firsthand experience of going through it. And it's like going through tough shit. It really does shape us. And it's so cliche and we hear it all the time. But like it's really actually important for us. We really got to, yeah, we really got to let that land. Yeah. Also, it happens for different reasons.

Like if I didn't go through that, maybe I would have gone to the World Cup, had a great World Cup and become this like semi-pro mediocre rugby player that maybe went to Europe for a couple of years and played in a club league and came back with like a busted ACL and started working at Applebee's. Yeah. Totally. That's just why hitting that golf ball in the right direction is way more important than how hard you hit the golf ball. Yeah.

Direction is more important than speed for sure. So a couple things that you spoke to, just like really getting clear on what it is that we want. Because so often we live life based off the accumulated beliefs and the noise that we've created in our head, which aren't our voices, but it's tough to discern. Yeah. Of what we, you know, what truly matters to us, what we actually want. And so that's just such an important first step that you spoke to to actually get clearer to sit with yourself and see what actually do I value. Correct. And that's sometimes a huge daunting task. And I think that it's important to make a distinction that you're not trying to figure out your life's purpose, right?

I like to look at it as even if we think about it. I like the framework of a list because it's digestible. You understand what it is. It's approachable. I even break it down into 10 different categories of life. because I think it's even more approachable if you write your list in a structured way. So your list is like your purpose list. It's all the little things that you think are going to bring you purpose.

So what does that even mean, though? Like what is purpose? Well, for me, it's just anything that makes me feel more alive or like myself or is fun, you know, things that I enjoy. So any, so I, instead of thinking about what you want to do, you can sort of use your use your feelings, right? So what excites you when you do it or when you think about it? What are you curious about in general? Can you just follow that curiosity? Are you, is there anything that you do that gives you energy?

Right. Like that's making you feel more like yourself. And I think that that's the goal, hanging out with people that make you feel more like yourself. Yeah. We all know when we hang out with certain people that we just come out of that and we're fired up. And then there's other people where you sort of feel like Eeyore, you know? So I think that it's listening to your body and how you're feeling and using that as your compass to kind of direct you. But it's a lot of trial and error. I think that you want to look at all of these goals and these passions.

I don't think you want to look at them as dreams or big goals. I think you want to look at them as experiments or projects. like dreams are overwhelming right but like a work project you're just going to like do the first step and just figure it out until you get it right or an experiment you're just curious what happens like this is all you're doing you're just like entering all these situations with curiosity you be like oh is this actually something I want to do and then when you find something you think wow okay great I'm going to do more of this yeah powerful there's so many things that we can dive into from that alone. I want to just kind of go over the 10 categories

because I think that that's helpful for people to get clear on the different avenues that what we can go after in life that really fulfill us. So you have the 10 here, which are one, travel and adventure, two, physical health, three, material, four, creative, five, professional, six financial, seven, intellectual, eight mental health, nine relationships, and ten, 10 giving. And I think it's so important what you're speaking to do to get clarity on what you actually want in these 10 categories and in your life in general. And then in the actual pursuit of going after it, you shining your light unconsciously gives people permission to shine their light. And so I think what you spoke to is like such a daunting task to figure out, I feel like I have to figure out my purpose

and like have that one thing that I'm the reason I'm here for. And it can feel like a lot of pressure. And you know, it's a narrative that's going around a lot these days. And I think it's a it's just important to find what really makes us come most alive. And then in the pursuing of it, that is going to be so inspiring for other people to do whatever makes them come most alive. And we need more people that are doing what makes them come alive. So that is very inspirational and transformational for the world. I completely agree.

And I don't think it's even hyperbolic to think that like this will change the world. I really believe that if more people did what they loved, the world would be a better place. And it doesn't have to be your work. Like you don't have to make money from doing what you love. If you do, it's great. But also it's a double-edged sword because then this thing that you love becomes a business. And that can be tricky. So, you know, you look at all these people doing what they love and, you know, building career.

Well, there's also challenges with that. So I don't think that's necessarily the big goal. The big goal is to have a balanced life where you feel like you are aligned with who you truly are. and you're doing all of the things in your life that support that true self. And the first step is writing it down because it actually forces you to stop and reflect and think about it. So if 76% of the population are reaching the end of their life, regretting not being themselves, it's important we actually stop and think about like, what do I want? And then it's like, okay, you wrote it down.

Now, that's like a contract with yourself, right? It's actually powerful. Now it's real. It's not an idea. It's a thought. It's like, this is actually a tangible thing. That keeps you accountable. So I told you the problem is we have no deadlines.

Well, the antidote to having no deadlines is accountability. So how do you create accountability around your goals? You write them down. You talk about them. Because if I tell you, I'm going to learn jujitsu this year. This is my big thing. Right? And you say, great.

And I run into you. And you're like, I run to you at Airwant. You're like, how's jujitsu coming? I'm like, fuck, I better start, I better sign up for jujitsu. So like, you feel accountable to the people you shared it with. Yeah. If you post on social, this year I'm writing a book. You know, you announce on the podcast.

I'm going to write a book this year. You're more likely to write a book because people can be like, hey. Totally. How's it going? How's the book going? So you talk about it. But when you talk about it, you got to move through the fear of what other people. people think or if you have failure, but we can touch on that. So building accountability.

Another way you can do that is you can have accountability partner. And if you think about it, all we have in the workplace are structures of accountability. Leaders keep us accountable. We don't want to let down our team. We don't want to look bad. Salary is like a reward that keeps us accountable. So in the journal, you set a deadline. You set a reward for yourself when you do it. You choose an accountability, buddy. And you want to communicate that to them. You know, you're training for a marathon. It's like, okay, let's go.

You, me, we're doing the marathon together. You're going to have a higher chance of doing the marathon if you train with a partner. But that goes for anything that you do and you decide to do in your life is if you can get someone to check in with you down the road or you send regular updates to that person. So that's why the app trackers work when you're training because like you're basically sending, oh, I ran today. Boom. here is this like all my stats and that drives everybody forward yeah so the accountability is is really big and then you know you kind of start to think about okay how do you get over this problem where you're never really ready to do it or you never feel inspired yeah well you create your

own inspiration by taking action yeah you just take little small steps you start to build inspiration and then you start to feel it. And the more you feel, the more momentum you build. And you're never going to be ready, right? You're never going to not have the fear. And you see people that like are doing great stuff and you're like, oh, they're just, I guess they don't feel that fear. No, they do.

They just feel and do it anyway. They just know that's not going away. Yeah. And that's actually that discomfort is growth. Like that means a good, that's positive. That's a net positive for them because you push yourself, you fall flat in your face, at least you learn something about yourself. Now you have this information to take with you when you do the next thing.

And you're really just, again, like uncovering that true original course. This is you uncovering your true original course. Failure is part. It's how you have to fail because that's you understanding, okay, I'm good at this. I'm not good at this. I didn't like that. I like that. And you're just slowly uncovering this true.

original course in your buried life, which is, you know, it never stops. You're constantly trying to figure out, you know, how can I be truer and truer to myself? Yeah. Yeah. And it can be difficult in a world that is so result oriented and to become process oriented and to have the perspective shift of not just saying, hey, what do I want to achieve in my life? But what do I really want to experience from the inside out? And I think that I can also help inform when writing down what we actually truly want to go after. It's not just like the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, excitement of doing something that sounds cool, but like what actually has meaning to us and like will actually feel fulfilling once we experience it. And I think it's cool to have a spectrum of, you know,

things that are just like want to be fun, but then also the things that like really mean more to us. And I feel like those have more energetic weight to us and the memories we hold. Yes. And that at the end of the day is all we have, the memories that we hold. I don't know if you've read Die with Zero. It's a great book that talks about, well, that you should die with zero. shocker but really what he's talking about is that you want to collect memories because that's all you have and you can't do anything with your money when you die and so that if you die with $180,000 you actually you know let's say you make 90k a year you work two years too long you should have just taken that two years and gone and experienced life and everyone's like oh what about like

your kids and blah it's like yeah okay then take money and do you know give it to your kids while you're alive right like and you too many people die with too much money and this via this you know this culture of work work work and climb up the ladder and i'm sure you've experienced too right now i have a lot of friends they're kind of hitting that point in their life where they've reached success and now they're thinking okay wait like what do i want you know like do i want to be partner at the law firm or do I want to become an account executive at Apple or do I want to like they're doing really well and they've been grinding it out now they're it's happening and they're suddenly like oh shit is this what I want and and you don't think about it sometimes and so it's really

important to check in and make sure that you're aligned and know that it's okay if it changes yeah right I went through, it's another pivotal moment, about seven years ago, I had started a production company with the three buried life guys. After we did the show and the first book and stuff, and we were like, okay, let's make TV. And we did a couple of shows and it was working, but it was really fucking hard. And we got investment.

And this was it. We did it. We succeeded. And then I thought, oh, no, I hate this. And I was talking with my uncle. And he was a producer his whole life. I was Uncle Bill. He's since passed away.

He's such a great guy. I was like Uncle Bill. I don't know what to do. I spent three years building this thing. And now I'm just going to let it go. Like, what about all the work I put in and what am I going to do? And he said, well, you're not starting your career again. You're recycling your career.

You're taking everything that you learn from producing. And then you're going to apply it to your next thing. He's like, I think we should recycle our career as much as we need to. And that shifted my whole perspective of like, oh, yeah, I'm not actually starting from the beginning. I'm just taking everything I learned. And I think that it's okay to recycle your career if you aren't feeling energized and fulfilled by it.

And that, for me, was the shift from producing to speaking. And I didn't know that I was going to be a speaker. I mean, I still like laugh when I think that I am a motivational speaker. It's very odd. But it just happened because I started, I did a TEDx talk. I started doing little talks and people asked me to speak and then cut to now, it takes up most of my time and I love it. And it all came from this shift of thinking, I'm not starting at the bottom rung again.

Yeah. But we have this idea that's all about climbing the ladder. And if you change now, it's a huge. opportunity cost. Yeah. But another quick story. This is going to think about family. My cousin, probably the most successful guy I know, runs major, major companies.

Every seven years, without fail, he takes one year off. And right at the peak, right when everyone's like, oh, my God, you're leaving, you know? He's like, yeah, I told you. This is what, you know, you knew this is what you were signing up for. takes a year off with his family, goes and just bees with them and travels and stuff like that. And every time he comes back, he levels up. So, you know, I think it's okay to think about recycling your career. Yeah.

It's just so important to experience what you don't want, just as much as it is to experience what you do want. Because without that clarity and experiencing the things that you thought you maybe wanted at one point, but realize after experiencing they don't actually mean a whole lot to you or they're not exciting or filling you up or they don't give you energy, then that's just going to lead you to a path of ultimately not being fulfilled. And so it's coming back into discovering what we truly want by virtue of discovering what we don't want. And a lot of times that experience comes from jobs, relationships, so many different things that happen and unfold in our life that we don't want at the time but are really pivotal in shaping us to who we are. And then we become individual. individuals where as we grow and evolve on our own journey, our desire is mature as we mature. Like there's this evolution of desire that naturally is going to come. And no matter what successful individual you talk to, as they grow, their desires for what they want, their life change, whether they're a big person in the music industry or somebody in sports or somebody in public speaking or whatever kind of job or, you know, mission that we're pursuing

in life is going to evolve as we evolve and to be able to kind of surrender ourselves to the flow of that and to know that's a part of the process, I think allows a lot of the suffering to kind of relinquished along the journey. And you've even seen it on your own path as you've gone on this journey from crossing off all these kind of pleasant, pleasurable experiences on the bucket list that are exciting and doing it with your friends and then realize that the ones that were most fulfilling were the ones that you were giving to others and making other people's dreams come to. And I think that evolution and that arc of kind of starting out on our crossing those lists of the things that we want to do for ourselves. And then they kind of evolve into being of service in some way.

And so you want to share because there's more things I want to dive into. But first I would love for you to share a little bit more of some actual things that you did. Like this journey took you to some pretty crazy places. And so what were some of the craziest things that you were able to check off your list? And then the evolution of it will come to. Yeah, so we, you know, everything from surviving on a deserted island for like four or five days, we just got pushed off of a boat in the Cook Islands blindfolded and swam to this island, had to, and with no training, we were just like, if we went down in a plane, like lost was big at that time of the show,

so like, could we survive? To, you know, streaking a field and trying to get away to playing basketball with Obama. to, um, there was a one thing was trying to ask out the girl of your dreams. And so this is like, uh, during the Transformers series when Megan Fox was the,

just the top of the top. And so I, I snuck onto the red carpet and pretended I was a reporter. And like, I just totally choked when she was in front of me and completely failed. And then my friend Duncan, like he, the next year had to make up for it.

And so he asked out Taylor Swift. and that actually worked. They went on a date. Yeah. And we wanted to throw the most badass party ever. We tried to get Jay-Z to come to a house party. It didn't work. But we ended up getting naughty by nature to come to this party that we did up in St. Louis, St. Louis,

which was like in a big skate bowl, which was so much fun. And we had a beer with Prince Harry. That was a good one. Make a TV show was one of the list items. Right. And so that was something that. was really important for us to make it for our friends. Like we were able to executive produce it.

So we were in control. And like it took years off our life. But we were super proud of it. Yeah. And then on the helping side, you know, in the early days, we helped a guy get a truck that was, he was living in a homeless shelter.

And he was wanting to start a landscaping business. So we helped him get a truck. And we helped this guy who had cancer, who was sleeping on an air mattress in his house. By the way, We never helped anybody. We just were able to find people to help them. So you did help them.

Yeah, yeah, I guess. But I think that it's sometimes, the distinction, I think, is that we weren't make a wish. Yeah, yeah. We weren't coming in with money to pay for things. But we found that if you give someone a chance to help, they will take it. So we went to a local church that was in the community of this guy that was sleeping on an air mattress. And he had lung cancer. So it was like painful for him to get in and out of this air, like blow up mass.

mattress and the whole everyone at the church like came over and just brought stuff from their house to furnish his house and uh we we we helped a girl in after katrina she had lost her mom and she actually didn't know where her mom was buried because she died on a bus when they had taken people out of the city and she was buried in Denver and so we helped find the grave and take her to the grave and we help someone get his song on the LA morning show, on the radio, big boy in the morning and helped this girl overcome her fear of heights. Another cool one was helped four guys reconnect after 40 years. They were friends as teens growing up and they would spend time every summer because

their families. And they hadn't seen each other in 40 years and we surprised them all. And right away they were back to being 14 year old kids. I love that. And they would meet up every summer. And then unfortunately, when the guys passed away from cancer, and he said that it was one of the most meaningful things in recent years was being able to reconnect with all those guys.

And so, I mean, it's funny that, I don't know, funny is the right description, but it's interesting that the top five regrets of the dying don't have much to do with money. One is, I wish I would have stayed in contact with friends. So here's these guys that just life got in the way. It's a, it's not a difficult problem to solve. Like, pick up the phone, you know, plan a trip.

And so that's why the relationship category in the journal is important because, you know, those are the things that tend to slide. And so, yeah, it's cool. It's fun to see two people after the talks start to do the things that they want to do. like one woman took her mom to Ireland because she was born there and like she was getting too old to go back. One woman took her dad to Abby Road because he's a huge Beatles fan and they did this like full Beatles tour and stuff. And then she learned all about this new stuff about her dad of why he liked the Beatles and how it was just like a very bonding experience for them. So yeah, it's been it's been a fun.

that's the coolest, I think, for sure. Yeah. No, it's, it's beautiful to see the evolution of it. And to just know that once you start the path and you just begin your journey and walking in the direction that you truly want to go and that matters to you, it's like the universe conspires in ways you can't see to help provide resources, connections, individuals to make that happen. And when you wake up and you're playing basketball with the president of the United States or, you know, you're getting to do cool things like get a bionic arm for a girl who lost a limb. it's really beautiful to see the places that will go once we start moving in the direction that means the most to us. I think it's, that can't be understated. And I keep learning that again and again and again as I get pulled away from who I truly am because inevitably that happens. Like you will get buried by different things. And about a year and a half ago, I sort of shifted my focus on trying to be much more

aligned with the things that I truly wanted or my full expression. And I just felt kind of this capped potential or something. I don't know. And it was, you know, part of it was like a relationship that wasn't quite right. And part of it was, you know, the work that I was doing. And since then, I started to remember how life used to happen for me. You know, it's like it unfolded in this magical way. and that was trusting my true self, my spiritual self, my authentic self to kind of lead the way

and that intuition that really, you know, all those things are the same thing, right? We're talking about that inner knowing of what it is you want and who you are because you have gifts that only you can give to the world. And there's this great quote by Les Brown. I'm going to butcher it, but I'm going to give it a shot. It's, uh, imagine you're laying on your deathbed. And these ghosts come to your, to your, to your side of your, of your, of your, of your, of your, of your, of your, of your, of your, of your, of your, it's, it's, it's the ghost of all your ideas you never acted on. The dreams you never did. You know, the gifts you never realized. And they, the ghosts come to you on your, like, final hours and I'm like, like, we came to you.

to you when you were alive. And only you could have brought us to life. And you didn't. And now we're here to die with you. It's like, oh, brutal. Tough. Yeah. And no one else can bring those ideas, those talents into the world.

Only you, you have a responsibility to act on those things. At least so you know that you tried and you don't have those regrets at the end of your life. and it's hard to listen to that voice because it doesn't always make sense. Like the intellectual self is always rationalizing. And it's very easy for the intellect to drown out the spiritual self. So it's tapping into that with journaling, being quiet, meditation, whatever, you know, just asking it, you know, for messages.

What do I need right now? and in following that. Beautiful man. Yeah, I think, I feel like the most audacious and fulfilling bucketless item is to just know and love yourself completely. And you being on this path of having a lot of bucketless items that you've crossed off in your life

and encouraging others to do the same, now coming to this place where you're authentically and transparently claiming your true self to the best that you know how and going on this path, the past couple, you know, year and a half, I think it's just a really important point that one comes to eventually on their journey where it's, it's less outward focused and a lot more inward focused because then when we shine that light and discover who we are, that the radiance that we cultivate from that space just as like an exponential factor and actually service to

the world. And sometimes we're so overly focused on the activity that we're doing, but like, not who we are and not discovering who we are. And so what's been a little bit more of your journey if you want to share of claiming your true authentic self, what does that even look like? And how does that change your behavior in your life and, you know, what you value and prioritize? Well, I, two things. One, I started working with an energy healer about three months ago, which was completely new for me. And it was, I had to sort of take a jump to trust that this was going to do something because it was all virtual. and I couldn't like my rational mind couldn't understand.

And basically he was re, he was processing old trauma and also reprogramming patterns that I had adopted when I was young or ancestral trauma and ancestral patterns. So breathing into different parts of my body to release these different traumas and patterns. And I started. I started to process things that I didn't realize I hadn't processed from when I was younger. When I was really depressed and then ancestral stuff that had been passed on that I couldn't even kind of see what the memory was, but I could feel it. And that was almost out of necessity because I had been working so hard like I did 150 keynotes this year, which is way too many. and there's this point when I had eight keynotes in eight cities and eight days. And I was just battered.

Like my body was like, I was, there's all these weird things that was happening to my body. And so I was like, I need to figure out what's going on. And those symptoms started to subside. And so that was a really, the first step for me. And then the second was I just finished Hoffman process in Northern California, which was definitely the most transformational week of my life. we talked about it before but you know Hoffman for those of you that don't know about it is like a one week I don't want to call it a retreat because he's definitely not taking time off but it's it's a

process that they have been doing for 50 years and tinkering with for the last 50 years started by a guy named Bob Hoffman and really it's it's a journey to your true self it's it's getting in touch with your spiritual self it's aligning your intellect your body your emotional self and your spiritual self and creating attunement so that then you can be led by your spiritual self. And it's a lot of it's just going from head to heart. And but the thing that was interesting because you mentioned about self-love, it's like a lot of is around self-love. And the thing that I realize is like self-love for me is presence.

So I was trying to make a list of all the things that I could do to give myself self-love. And I was like actually asking people, I'm like, what do you do? What do you do? And then I realize like, oh shit, all these things, it's just presence. Anything that I do that brings me into the present moment is self-love. A conversation where I'm actually there with the person. Sports where I'm not thinking about the future or the past. I'm in flow.

I'm just there. Meditation, journaling, enjoying my food, like wiggling my toes. So I know that I'm actually here in my body. Like all these things give me a sense of presence. and that's self-love because you can't love yourself in the future. You can't love yourself in the past because you're not in the future of the past. You're only right here. And so realizing that that is really key for me because before Hoffman, I was very, I was not in the present.

I was always thinking, I had so much stuff going on. And I still have the same amount of shit going on, but I just don't really care as much. And the thing that's also interesting is that bigger things are happening. Because I'm just, I'm not just doing it to do it. I'm being more. Instead of doing, I'm being and life is clicking into place in a bigger way. And I'm more relaxed. I'm, you know, happier.

And so it was a, this could be a one hour ad for Hoffman, by the back, because it's fucking great and I could talk about it all day. But I think that that was really cool is when they start talking about this, process. They started talking about being true to yourself and your spiritual self and your authentic self. And I was like, oh my God, this is my life's purpose is to bring people back to their true self. And they're talking about how important is. And I realize that I'm not the work. I'm sorry, I don't work. I am the work. Like I need to be the work 100%. So it's so important for me to do that work so that I could be better at what I do. So it was a very,

transformational experience. Yeah. I could only imagine. I'm glad that I'm getting you on the heels of what you say is the most transformational week of your life because that's one, quite the statement. And two, there's so much, I'm sure, still in the process of integration of what you're unpacking from that whole experience. Was there something like a year and a half ago that really kicked you into gear saying like I need to change something?

Yeah. I was in a relationship that was not right. for both of us. It's really hard to leave. Long, long, long relationship. And I decided, like, we need to figure out how to uncouple. That'll do it. And so that was, and then, you know, out of that,

you know, we both started feeling more like ourselves and remembered. So that was the shift. Yeah. I think it's insidious in ways that we can't really see at the time where, like, I'm sure if you asked a bunch of people, like, if they feel like they're living, their true self or their true of life or doing the things that matter to them, they would say, yeah. But ultimately, we can't be held accountable to what we're not aware of. And a lot of times we're just unaware of how out of alignment we are. And it requires kind of getting kind of getting smacked in the face by life with a big breakup or, you know, traumatic experience or a big collision in her life to like wake up to realize like oh actually no

I'm not living in alignment with my true original course yeah and um those are difficult but needed 100% because it's like you know I have friends with different autoimmune diseases or they're strung with things but you sort of if you're feeling 75% then that becomes you're 100% because you forget what feeling good or really good actually is like and so So you got to figure out a way to see the forest from the trees. Yeah. And that's why, you know, all these types of new experiences are helpful. And you're never clear on those types of big decisions.

There's never black and white. It's always muddy and complicated. So you just can only trust your gut. And so that was one of the big times that I started to do that. and I made a vow to myself. So I was like, okay, I have to continue. I'm never going to not listen to my God again. Because the pain is so,

it's so strong when you don't listen to that over a period of time for a long, the longer you don't listen to it, the longer life is going to have to smack you in the face to get back. Yeah, yeah. And so you just coming to this point where you're discovering,

like, re-listening to your true self and listening to that inner voice, I think is just really beautiful. and it goes hand in hand to living a life that is truly fulfilling for you. So I'm curious, like, as you've gone through that process of like the separation of the relationship, to working with an energy healer, to doing the Hoffman process, how do you feel like you spoke to it a little bit, but how is your external reality changing on the other side of you making the shifts internally? Well, dare I say, I'm the happiest I've ever been.

I mean, I feel like that is a, I don't know why. I feel guilty or I feel like I shouldn't say that, but I do feel the best I've ever felt, just content and excited. And every day I wake up, I'm really excited to see what the day is going to bring. And then from a work perspective, it's just this year was double last year.

I mean, it was just the biggest year by far. And so many new opportunities and also so many great connections with new friends. Yeah. Like community is just so rich and so many people that I love to spend time with. And so that next year I'm actually going to, you know, I've made conscious decisions to, you know, bring down the travel and have more time here in Venice and around my friends and that type of thing. So that I can, I can take advantage of that because I know that that's the most important.

Like I'm not going to remember making 20% more, right? But like doing 20% less is going to make such a huge difference in my in my life. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, like the more that you get clear on who you are, you become a vibratory match to people who are themselves authentically. And like you become a match to those kind of connections and those friendships where you can totally be in the full acceptance of each other and like just be in the play of that. Yeah. Which is a big thing.

So one of the things I realized through. Hoffman and getting an experience of all these different people from different parts of the country at different stages of the life with very different trauma you know coming to one place and you do these different experiential exercises and stuff and I realized that when we did some of the stuff that was just fun and just play like some people hadn't done that for 40 years and I'm lucky that like I've always done that it's just just, you know, been something that my dad is a performer and like he's really funny guy. And we, and so in through high school and always through, it's always been part of who I am.

But I, I realize, like, I think a lot of people have a big piece missing in their life, which is just playing, have fun, being weird. Like, you know, it's, it's so important to have to kind of access that inner child. and I think you get old when you stop playing, you know, and you don't stop playing because you get old. Powerful. That's just, I totally resonate with that. I think it's so, so important.

And we all maybe have experienced those 80, 90, 100 year olds who are like the silliest in the room. And like, that is so beautiful, you know, because we all know the alternative where there's a lot of old. older individuals that unfortunately have just gotten crushed by life. They won't allow themselves to do it. They just not an option.

You know, they just decided this is not cool for me to do anymore and I won't do it. And you can see it on their faces, you know? Like you, when people come up to me after talks, I know what they're going to say before they say it. And I can see it in their face.

When they say this one thing, which is, this is how I live my life. I'm like, I know, I can see it. You're fucking beaming. You're 50 and you look 30. And that's because they practice that. Like they play, they listen to themselves. They follow those things that bring them joy and it keeps them young.

Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the individuals that don't have access to it within themselves in the moment. Or like you said, like don't make the decision to you. A lot of times it's like an unconscious process because their belief systems have been like calloused over. And it's like what they think is possible or how they can express themselves. It's so hard to break out of the rigidity of how to, of, who you have been to become who you can be.

Totally. Because most of the time that's developed when you're young, you know, and so these patterns are just deeply ingrained in your brain where it's not even a choice. Like there's no decision. It happens before you make the choice. And so you need to rewire those pathways in your brain

and it's hard. You know, but just by doing it if it's uncomfortable, if you never dance, you're like, I don't dance. And you dance the first time, it's fucking hard, right? but you do it and then your body starts to create this new pathway where over and over again, then you start to be someone that does dance.

And the big thing I think is that you want to create the awareness that these are patterns and that they're not you, right? And so that then you have a choice. So when it happens, it's not just the automatic reaction. It's like you have space. So then you have a choice where you can decide if you want to do this. same thing or you have the ability to do something different because you're not that. That's just your pattern of what you always do. And you can decide if you want to take a different path.

Yeah. And that path unfolds. It's like we're often under the illusion that we feel like we have to force or figure out our path a lot of times intellectually. And the path just unfolds for us if we just move in that direction. It's like if we're going to drive from California to New York, we can't see the whole way, right? But like at nighttime, the lights on our car, light illuminate the first, you know, the next hundred feet ahead of us. And then we just keep going and we see further as we get further. And that path unfolds for us. And it takes a lot of the tension away from your experience and being on the journey because

you, there's like a deeper trust in life that is unfolding and you kind of meet life halfway in the spontaneous, you know, surprise of each moment. And then we can come back into viewing successes like actually how present are we? Because a lot of times it's like successes. is once I get to New York, that's success. But like being at the end of your life, just jumping to that right now, that's not success. Like I want to live my life, you know?

And to be present is to live our life fully. And so I just love that you're reclaiming more of that presence into your life. And I can feel it from you in conversations before the podcast that like you're, you're here. And it's, and I'm excited for you to keep claiming more and more of that. And like we all are. I think it's just, it's really, it's the fruit of the path to fully. embrace the present moment because yes, at the end of our life, memories are very important.

And also the level of presence that we have, I feel like is equally or more important. Because if we're not being present to be able to experience life around us, then we're just in our old reconditioned belief systems. And that's not experiencing life. That's our projection of it. And so I'm excited for you as is evolution. I can't wait to see what unfolds as who knows what will change and transform with public speaking or a completely new field or arena that you might jump into depending upon

what comes from this new like revelation and insight that you're having in your own life. And as you're as you already shared like it's just giving more power to you, more connections, more resources, work is expanding. And oftentimes I feel like we have this fear of letting go who we have been because it creates a certain level of certainty and safety in our experience. But then when you kind of release that and step into more of who you truly are, then life surprises you in ways you can't even comprehend. that is so much more impactful than we could ever dream of.

So, yeah, man, there's just been so many nuggets throughout this whole podcast that you've been sharing that I've been loving. Thank you. I'm excited for the audience to sit with. Yeah, no, it's been a cool journey. Because I feel as though I never thought of myself as a spiritual person. You know, like I knew spiritual people. But I never identified with being a spiritual person. They go to Erwan and they wear the white broom hats.

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. I was like, I don't know where to put those hats in my house. Or do I hang them on the wall? It's like whole thing. I'd travel with a box. I was like, that's not for me. I'm not spiritual. But, you know, after, you know, the past couple weeks, I've just,

I finally, I think, identified with some bigger truths that make me feel like I have tapped into that a little bit more, you know, things like nature. and the importance of just that were the, I am the same as nature and that like if I ever feel like I'm losing touch with my spiritual self, you know, I just need to go out in nature and I'll reconnect with that. And I knew that intellectually, but I didn't feel it. Right. And I literally thought before, like a couple months ago,

I remember thinking, like, I wonder what I'm actually going to really understand that nature is important. Because I know it is, but I still don't do it. it and I talk about it, but I don't really do it all the time. I was like, I'm really going to actually like embody that and do it and feel it. And now I get it. And so it's big things like that. And then the presence and stuff and just how important is there of everything, right? Like that's and self-love and just being, you know, kind to yourself and compassion and

compassionate and understanding that if you do that, then you can be compassionate for other people and that like everyone's guilty but like no one's to blame. So you just need to understand that everyone that does something that you feel vindictive about, they did it because they've been programmed from stuff that happened to them when they were younger and that they can change as well, but you know, they may not and that's fine. They're still guilty, but they're not to blame. And then you don't feel that type. of you don't you're not tethered to them yeah right you don't have that I got to get revenge or

you know you forgive and then they lose their power you know over you and like you know if you're mad at someone it doesn't do anything to them like it's just you're just beating yourself up yeah it's like that saying that like fear anger their poisons we drink can expect the other person to die yeah you know and drink it I'm like drink it I'm gonna get you and then you slowly withering away in the corner. And it just speaks to like most people regretting what, you know, not living life for themselves. And I think we spoke to so many frameworks, understandings, perceptions, and tools to be able

to get clear on what we actually want in our life. And from that place, we can become more vibrant and be present on the path. And for you as an individual now, what would you say is like your number one bucket list item. Well, I'm going to Japan over New Year, so I'm very excited for that. I want to finish the documentary. So we started Buried Life 2006, and it started as a film. And we just never finished it. And you've been filming the whole journey. And so I've gotten all the footage on drives and we're looking back at all the footage. And it's just a cool experience to look back at us, you know, at that age. And so I think it would be a really important.

important piece for to leave behind, you know, to give people that spark that we felt. And hopefully inspire them to start their path. Yeah. With all those things that are important to them. Beautiful, man. And I'm just sure, I mean, obviously by virtue of doing speaking engagements and people coming up to you and, you know, the reflections that you've given you, I'm sure have seen firsthand many times the impact that you've had on people.

But I'm sure in a much larger percentage, you have no idea how impactful the decisions that you've made have been to people and speaking that you do and the book that you're writing and the way that you're showing up and a potential documentary that you're going to create. And so it feels good to know that we're living in life in a way that is in accordance to being of service and supporting others. And I think that's something that you can be very proud of yourself for. Thank you. Appreciate that, bro.

Of course, man. Is there anything else that you want to share with the audience before we kind of transition soon? I don't think so. You can, the bucket list journals on Amazon. Yeah. Write your list. Share with, share with us. Yeah.

Let us know. Let us know in the comments below. What, uh, what's something that was an insight from this, from this conversation, this podcast. And also what's something that you really want to go after. And, uh, we can hold each other accountable to seeing that comes to be. Um, you guys can all check out the bucket list journal on Amazon and Ben at Ben, um,com. Or, uh, at Ben, Benempton on Instagram.

and anywhere else you want to drive people to. I did actually have one thing that I realized I want to add to my list. Buy a white-brimmed hat now that I'm spiritual. I think you need. But you got to have a box, bro. That's the whole thing. That's the next thing. I add two things.

It's the whole thing. Yeah. What do you even put that overhead bin? People like they tie it to their bag. Yeah. It's like, come on. You really want to wear that hat that bad? You're going to bring that to Tulum.

Come on. I'm going to hold you accountable to this. Next time I see you. You don't have this hat on. Ordering my magic smoothie at Airwant, I'll be. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be having, I'll give you, I'll tip my brim to a $25 smoothie. That's right.

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