Know Thyself - E42 - Aaron Abke: Find Enlightenment & End Suffering Using The LAW OF ONE

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

Aaron Abke explains how to call forth our awakening by understanding The Law of One. The Law of One is a channeled text uncovering the origin of the universe, and explaining that all things exist as one. Aaron shares the meaning of life, and how to ascend through the different densities. He describes the 3 beliefs of our ego (and how to overcome them), awakening Kundalini Energy, and the journey to enlightenment.  Aaron also shares his own personal story of leaving being a pastor, becoming a fitness model, and ultimately having a spontaneous awakening that shifted his entire perspective. This episode is great for anyone wanting to deepen their understanding of reality and continue on their ascension process.    SPONSOR: https://www.DrinkLMNT.com/KnowThyself Get a FREE Sample pack with any order   ___________ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro 2:28 Meaning of Life: Defined by the Law of One 26:48 Waking up from Programming 34:39 Spiritual IQ 36:43 Process of Healing & Ascension  45:32 Spiritual Bypassing 49:49 Aaron's Awakening 56:33 3 Beliefs of the Ego 1:03:44 Healing the Wound of Lack 1:11:45 Harnessing Kundalini Energy 1:21:11 From Seeker to Enjoyer 1:30:00 Caution for Awakening Kundalini 1:35:37 What is Enlightenment 1:40:32 Unpacking Religion 1:49:12 Call Forth Awakening 1:52:20 Conclusion ___________   Aaron Abke is a spiritual teacher and content creator, with a mission is to awaken this planet to the awareness of our oneness and collective destiny, which is called "4th Density Consciousness". This is Unity Consciousness; the awareness of Love and Oneness as the Highest Truth of the Universe.   Highly studied in The Law of One, Aaron teaches others how to integrate and embody this Truth in their Being, rather than merely learning about it. His aim is to provide humanity with the tools, knowledge, and practices needed to ascend our consciousness to the 4th Density Level.   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aaronabke/ Website: https://www.aaronabke.com 4D University: https://www.4duniversity.com   ___________   Know Thyself Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ Website: https://www.knowthyself.one Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKg   Listen to all episodes on Audio:  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927     André Duqum Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/   Meraki Media https://merakimedia.com https://www.instagram.com/merakimedia/

Every experience that we have is like a catalyst that is there to provide an opportunity for growth. Like you said, I grew up pastor's kid, deeply religious, devout Christian, became a pastor, had an awakening out of religion at 23 and was like, I don't believe any of this stuff anymore. That led to an experience at 27 where I literally laughed myself into enlightenment. And it was just absolute bliss everywhere I looked. Now I'd actually tasted what heaven was like. I don't want to live a second in this state knowing that that state's available. What we are is much more complex than.

we realize. Everything religion teaches you, it's not that it's not true. It's that it's way more true than you realize. The Loban to me gives a more satisfying answers to these questions than any text I've ever come across. The whole universe is this amazing dance of cooperation. It's this endless flow of giving and receiving in the oneness of reality. All your needs are met because you're one with reality. So it can't leave you out. Love can't leave anything out. Only what I have not given can ever be lacking. Hello, beautiful humans. Welcome back to the Know Thyself podcast for every single week. We get the honor and the privilege to sit down with a brilliant mind and open heart who can help us in conversation know ourselves in the world at deeper and deeper levels. This conversation is very much in alignment with the theme of this podcast, which is to know thyself. It's why I feel like I'm personally here. What I would love to do with this show is to alleviate suffering to help us know ourselves at deeper and deeper levels. And my guest today is very, very in alignment with that ethos. He is somebody that was raised as a pastor's kid in an evangelical

church. And through his own series of awakenings in his life, he's now come to this place where he's an educator, a teacher, a YouTuber, and shares a lot of beautiful wisdom online and teachings and understandings from the law of one and all about enlightenment, how to ascend and alleviate suffering in this human experience. So without further ado, Aaron Abke, thanks for coming on the show, brother. Thanks for having me, man. Really looking forward to this conversation. And a big fan of your podcast, you have just consistently the most incredible guests. So, honored to be a part of your lineup and to just get deep with you today, man. Yeah, man, you're incredible. So welcome to the club. Thank you, bro. Yeah, man. Like I said, there's just so much sympathico in terms of what we can dive into today. And I'm excited to see all the avenues in which we do. I want to start wide and then go deep into different microtopic.

So we'll start a little bit more macro. From your understanding, why do you feel like we incarnate assholes into this human experience to forget ourselves? Like, why do we choose to forget who we are? That might be the most common question I get on YouTube or any content I create. And from a like third density level, that seems like a rational question, right? But we do have to zoom out to answer that question. And this is why I love the law of one so much, because the law of one, if you want to provide some context also. Yeah, if you're not familiar with the law of one, it's a channeled text from the early 1980s. It was from a group of UFO researchers who were trying to kind of figure out what this UFO phenomenon is all about back in the

the 70s, 80s, there was a lot of like rising UFO activity. And this group had a really brilliant idea, which was basically if we want to understand who these beings are and why they're here, we should probably be a lot more interested in their philosophy and their spirituality than in their technology. And so they started channeling to try and contact extraterrestrials who are here in our plane. And I think they did that for the better part of 12 years until they at one point had a woman come to the group. It was all men. So that was their first mistake, right? And it was the girlfriend of one of the guys in the group. Her name was Carla Rookart. And as it just seems to be true, women are just more natural channelers than men. So she's like, oh, what's this channeling thing you guys are doing? And she learns and immediately is like this epic next level channel. One day the story is that she was giving a lesson to a student on channeling. And she was demonstrating it and this contact comes through, which identifies. itself as raw. And the leader of the group's name was Don Elkins. And he was listening to this and

was like, oh my, this is a truly profound contact. They'd had a little bit of success, but not anything truly genuine like that. So he was like, we got to do a dedicated, you know, channeling session with this. So they got three people together, Carla, the channel who had lay down, go into a deep trance. She had no memory of whatever transpired in the sessions, blindfold on the whole works. Don Elkins was the questioner, and then Jim McCarty was the scribe, who was recording and documenting everything. So they go through 106 channeling sessions with this entity named Raw over a four-year period, where they're just asking Raw about the nature of the universe and questions like you just asked, why do we come here? Why are our souls doing this? Why evolve? Why reincarnate?

And the Law of One just, I've read a lot of channeled works. The law of one to me gives a more satisfying answers to these questions about the nature of the universe and the soul and all of that than any text I've ever come across. And this is one of the feedbacks I always hear from my students and viewers on YouTube is that when they get into the law of one, there's this strong resonance with the material. We were like, I know this information already. And so we can get into that. But essentially what the law of one says is that all the universe is one being. And you are a aspect, a fractal of that one being that is in the process of knowing itself. And it knows itself through a journey of evolution over many, many lifetimes, which we call reincarnation.

And then the law of one lays out a blueprint or a map of that trajectory that is called the seven densities of consciousness. And you really can't answer that question, at least I can't, adequately without understanding that model, because that model shows you this is why we do this and why we incarnate here and why this journey has unspeakable purpose and beauty to it. Yeah. It's beautiful. I love how you kind of alluded to, it's like remembering a truth that you already know. It's already present, right?

It's why you can't find truth. It's not like you lost it. It's just you realize it. It's already here, you know? And so having these channel texts and, you know, and so having these channel texts and individuals who can bring profound amounts of information in light through them to explain and give the best that they can, the ability to explain in the English language what the hell is going on in this wild experience that we call being human.

Yes. And so just to kind of wrap this up for this first part, why we kind of choose to incarnate, why we come here, the purpose of ourselves is to know ourselves. So from the understanding of the seven densities, why continually choose back and forth, to forget ourselves and to remember ourselves and to forget ourselves and to have to know ourselves. What is that, what contrast, the experience of that contrast, what is that providing for us as souls? Yeah. Yes, such a great question.

And that's one of those questions that the law of one gives an amazingly satisfying answer to. The short answer is that of those seven densities, the third density, which is the one we're all experiencing right now, is actually the only one where we forget our past lives. the first two, there's nothing to forget yet. But after three, we go through four through seven with full knowledge, memory of all past lives and whatnot. So there's a certain reason why the creator designed this density level to have what's what they call the veil of forgetting. Why we don't get to remember our past lives and who we are, why we're here, the nature of oneness, the truth of the universe. We don't get that information inherently. We have to earn it, right?

And that's because the law of one says that there's a very important choice taking place in third density, which is essentially the soul's choice of which polarity it wants to be on its evolutionary journey. Most people listening might think that that's a novel idea, like they haven't heard that, that there's actually two choices. We could call it the path of light or the path of darkness. The law of one calls it the positive polarity and the negative polarity, the service to others, path or the service to self path. Every soul has to decide which one of those two polarities it wants to be in order to make it out of this realm, you know, escape the wheel of samsara. And these two polarities, it's just like chemistry or something. These are, you know, we talk about

how the universe is fractal where we see the same patterns as we zoom out, right? They look a little different, but we see the architecture, right? So as a quantum particle has to have a charge, You know, electrons are negative charge, protons or a positive charge. Every particle has to have a charge in order to do what's called work in chemistry. Work is the definition of work means your ability to cause change in your environment, to act upon your environment. Unless a particle has a charge, it can't do work. And so Ra says in the law of one that you're like that. Your consciousness is like a quantum particle that needs a charge to do work in consciousness.

And so I guess we could get into the seven densities if you want to map it out. But basically consciousness begins in the first density, which correlates to the first chakra. The seven densities are like the macrocosm version of our seven chakras. So if you know what the chakras are and what they represent, you have a huge leg up in understanding the densities. The first density is the density of pure being where consciousness comes into space time. and think of it like a newborn baby or something. You know, consciousness, as you know, is just infinite in nature and unchanging, right? So when it experiences physical existence, it has to start from the beginning, which is earth, water, fire, air, and space, the five elements.

So the first density of consciousness is the five elements. And at some point, all of us, as a soul, experienced that density for billions and billions of years. And once consciousness gains enough data in the first density, it starts to evolve into the second density, which is the density of growth and movement. So, you know, in first density, stars explode, planets form around a star eventually. The oceans and the land, you know, hardened. The planet kind of crystallizes. And then now we have an ocean and there's the ability for habitable life to form. And then in that ocean, eventually it will start to evolve like microcontinental.

life or whatever. And that goes through, you know, fish, animals, plants, insects, that whole spectrum is second density. Anything that can interact with its environment as an individual would be a second density life form. So then consciousness spends another, at least on this planet, like two and a half billion years before human beings were evolved. And once consciousness gains enough data in the second density, second chakra, it evolves into the third density, which is where consciousness does this really amazing thing, where it kind of sort of flips in on itself and becomes an object to itself. We call that I am or self-awareness. So when consciousness becomes self-aware, when it knows that it exists, that's third density. And so I'll pause for a second to explain

density to the viewers who may not understand that term, unless you want to jump in. Please. So density refers to the amount of light that consciousness is experiencing. So the more light is available, the more information is available. And the more information is available, the more ability consciousness has to express itself. So like when you look at your dog or your cat, for example, that's a second density life form. There's a clear difference in your animal's state of confidence. consciousness and yours. There's a whole plane of your consciousness that's totally unavailable to your

dog or your cat. You can't have a conversation with them. They can't understand why your stock went down that day and why you're depressed. Like there's so much that the animal's not aware of. That's because they're on a different density level of consciousness. So the, you know, the filter that consciousness is funneling into is a little bit narrower for the animal. And it just keeps widening as we go through the densities. And so when you become, when, when consciousness becomes self-aware, that's the beginning of the third density, and that I like to call it the density of separation, because as soon as I have a concept that I'm an individual, I have needs that need to be met, I have to survive. Well, then you become maybe a threat to my survival, right?

And an obstacle for me to overcome or something for me to conquer and possess and enslave and all these different options. But unity is not yet available to consciousness. So that's why, every sacred text will say, you know, we are at our core innocent. We're not evil just because humans do evil things. Doesn't mean that's our nature. We're just unaware of the truth of the universe, right? Yeah. It's like a scarcity paradigm is inevitable if there's an inherent belief of separation. Absolutely. So, yeah, walk us through that transition from 3D to 4D. So consciousness essentially evolves in third density by suffering greatly. And at the, at the hands of that suffering, consciousness will begin to move into the next density, the fourth density,

which correlates to the heart chakra. And it will start to gain this awareness of like, okay, it's true that we're experiencing different bodies, but does that mean we're fundamentally separate? Like maybe there's a sameness here of some sort. Maybe we're like the same essence or energy. That's a fourth density understanding. So most of the people like walking down the street right now outside this building aren't on that frequency yet, right? They're still just locked in separation. So they can't be judged, but they will continue to suffer from that awareness until it forces them to have a more loving view of reality. So another great way to look at the densities is as the color wheel. Yeah. Because the chakras have colors, right? Consciousness doesn't just jump from level to level.

It's a gradual shift, right? It's like a spectrum. Yeah. Exactly. So, Let's say that, so the solar plexus is the yellow ray energy center. Heart chakra is the green ray energy center. Humanity, as of 2012, our planet actually was, began becoming magnetized to the fourth density level. And that only happens, Ross says, because of the procession of the equinox, we have that 25,000-year cycle. Every time, Ross is just like the ticking of a clock or something. The planets are just like clocks in space. when it comes back around after that 25,000 year cycle around the galaxy,

it is available to graduate to the next density if, and only if, 51% or greater of the collective consciousness is on a fourth density level. And then the planet itself, the energy web of the planet goes from yellow to green. But that happens slowly, right? So as of 2012, we're technically a fourth density planet, but we're still carrying all our third density karma, right?

So we have a lot of shadow work to do first before we can become true color green. And that's what we're seeing play out in the collective right now, all the darkness coming up. But it's as if humanity, we've been in yellow for hundreds of thousands of years. And now we're able to see the first shade of lime green in our planetary consciousness. Yeah. Before we go on to the last three, I think it's just a really beautiful understanding to see how we're always as individuals going to perceive reality depending upon what level of consciousness

we're at. So if we're at a red, orange, yellow level of consciousness, then we're going to see life metaphorically in that orange, you know, red, yellow level of consciousness. I really love Ken Wilbur's breakdown of this in integral spirituality and he also has a book of spectrums of consciousness where he breaks down the different levels and how you could have the same experience of life, like the same thing could happen externally, but how you perceive it is completely different internally, right? So you could have an inherent, luminous experience of connectedness. And at a certain level, maybe at a red or an orange level of consciousness, you're going to perceive that perhaps if you're indoctrinated in a dogma or a religion to be connected with one person. For example, Jesus,

as the, you know, as a savior energy. And it's him speaking to you in that way. Versus a ultraviolet level of consciousness that you're operating at and you experience it as Christ's consciousness and the inherent interconnectedness of all life. So is there anything you want to speak to how we do very much so, perceive the level of consciousness we're at? And then we'll go from there. Yeah. So let's go back to that choice that's available here. We can choose to be a what they call a positively polarized being or a negatively polarized being. And the way we do that, they sort of name those polarities.

as a miniature description of how you transcend the opposite polarity. So the positive path is called the service to others path because being of service to others is how you transcend your negative polarity. Now, the law of one also says that the creator does not blink at the light or the darkness. It has no judgment. The negative is just as valid as the positive. You know, the whole universe is comprised of these two polarities, right? We need them both.

So the negative absolutely plays a role. But there are different consequences, let's say, to which one you choose. And so the service to self path, you transcend your positivity by being of service to yourself. And the key distinction here is that all service is service to self because there's only one self. But let's say the positive polarity serves itself by always serving the whole. It's always in service to the whole. Everything you do in your daily life, you have the whole. in mind, all of creation.

That's what we call love. The negative being serves itself at the cost of the whole, right? Like at the expense of the whole. In fact, it actually is taking from the whole to serve the part. That's the negative polarity. And that polarity progresses through taking power over others. So some of the, you know, the Klaus Schwab's, the Justin Trudeau's, these beings that we see on our planet that are really trying to enslave humanity in different ways.

Darth Vader. Darth Vader, right? I'd give this example too. I love to make it as digestible as possible as well, but I love the distinction of like Yoda and Darth Vader. Dude, Star Wars is literally our universe, which is crazy. But they actually, it's funny, they actually ask Ra in the sessions. It's like 1983 or something.

And Don's like, hey, so this movie just came out called Star Wars. And they have like the force and the path of light and darkness. Is that movie kind of like our universe? and Ra's like, yes. Like, whoa, we're in Star Wars. So anyway, so the dark side of the force takes power over. The light side of the force gives power too. And so that's a huge spiritual concept to grasp, right?

That what is positive, what is loving is radiating, outward moving, like a star, right? A star is always giving light. And so it has an endless source of light because it's sharing its light. A black hole is doing what? keeping its light to itself and pulling in, right? So the negative polarity is like a black hole that's always absorbing into itself and is never satisfied. So that's one of the things to know about the negative path is that there isn't a destination where you finally have peace and you're like, okay, I've gained enough power. I'm just going to chill now. Yeah. It's worse and worse,

the more you get like a drug addiction or something. Right. You get consumed by it. It's just like in every villain's story, as they gain more and more power, like Darth Vader, it eventually corrupts them and destroys them, right? Because it's harder to hold on to. For example, where a Yoda, they're both using the force in their own way, right? But one is service to self, one is service to others. And you see how that manifests in the longevity of its sustainability. Yeah. Yeah.

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It has to do that through polarity, right? As we said, so one of those polarities can only represent all that the creator is in its true nature. And then likewise, the other polarity that the creator makes, the negative, has to represent everything the creator is not, fundamentally speaking. And so, you know, we talk about like, you got to integrate your light and you're dark because you're both. That's true. But the law of one makes an important distinction that says the negative is designed to give catalyst for the positive to know itself. The negative was created to give the positive a reason to know itself. It has no motivation, right? And what's really cool about the veil of forgetting is Ra says, eons ago, there were planets, third density planets like

ours that didn't have a veil of forgetting. And this was before this was thought of by the logos. And so they said what happened was souls just spent forever in third density and they never evolved into the fourth because they had no reason to. They had no motivation to grow. There was nothing challenging or testing them. They were just chilling and they're one with the creator. Why evolve? You know? So you said it's like children in school who aren't punished for not doing their homework and aren't rewarded for doing it. So they just go play in the playground all day. So we need the negative, right, to drive us towards the light. The darkness is there to show us the light. But the path of illusion, which is the negative, Ra calls it the path of that which is not.

Because it's designed to reflect the exact opposite of the creator's nature, you know, separation, fear, selfishness. It can only last so long. And so those beings who do choose the dark side of the force, they, they graduate to fourth density negative and then fifth density negative. But Ra says once they get to sixth density, the negative being finds itself at a kind of paradox where it can't evolve anymore. It has already experienced every kind of enslavement and power over and domination that could ever be conceived of in this universe.

And so it's at a wall. And the positive being also finds. itself with that place at early sixth density. It has been of service in every way possible, right? It's been helping planets evolve for millions of years. It can't gain any more polarity. So the positive being does this amazing thing where it then turns back in time and serves as a guide to all of its past incarnations. And we call that the higher self. Well, that's actually something the positive path has to do to keep polarizing, to keep ascending. And by By being of service to your past lifetimes, you know, guiding and facilitating your learning and your karma, the six density soul polarizes.

But the negative being is at this paradox, right? Where it's like, well, I can't serve myself or I'll polarize positively. So it eventually realizes it's at a brick wall, so to speak, and it actually reverses its polarity to the positive by acknowledging that oneness is the highest truth of the universe, not separation. and then becomes a six density positive soul and moves on from there. Lots to chew on with all of that. Yes. Beautiful. So then we kind of just touched on 5 and 6D and then if you want to kind of walk us through

what becomes available, like what is 70 consciousness essentially. Yeah. I definitely don't know the answer to that question. Tell us the answers to the universe, Aaron. See if I can channel them. Fifth density is the throat chakra density, the blue ray density. It represents light and wisdom. So that's where the light body evolves, actually.

The body that consciousness is using in every incarnation has to be a vibrational match to the level of consciousness. So the body is increasingly high vibrational as you move up the spectrum. So we move from this chemical body, which we're experiencing now, is kind of dense meat, suit, lots of chemicals. And it eventually becomes more, more just pure electromagnetic energy. And eventually we become a light body, which is what most ETs in the universe actually are. They're just like orbs of light. And they can create a body with their mind if they want to, but they're just light, right? So that's fifth density. And then sixth is correlates to the third eye chakra, the indigo ray. And Ross says that's where the soul has to reach a perfect balance of love

and wisdom. Because if we're just trying to serve others with love, but we don't have any wisdom, Ra says, you are sort of a neophyte for the negative path to take advantage of. Because he says, the positive path is, what does he say? What do they say? It's like the positive path wants to be of service and the negative path is clever. So it's like the negative path's entire existence is dependent on scheming and tricking and deceiving. So you got to, you got to, you got to to endow your love with some wisdom if you're going to be of true service because the negative path is going to take full advantage, right? And that's what we see a great example of on our planet. We have the virtue touting stuff that the overlords use to be like, hey, give us all your rights

and freedom and let us infringe on your humanity because you want to be a good person, right? You don't want to be discriminatory, do you? Perfect tactic of the negative. I'm going to use your light against you because you're not wise. You don't know what true love looks like. So I can just couch anything I want in virtue and trick you into agreeing with me. And that's how the negative path gains negative polarity, by the way. I can't just, if I'm a negative being, I can't just throw you in handcuffs and lock you in a jail cell and say, I own you now and then polarize. Now, I have to sweet talk you into being my servant, right? I have to trick you in some way to giving me your power. Yeah, you got to suck them into

your illusion. You got to suck them into your illusion. Yeah. That's what they do. Yeah. And it's not to demonize that path, right? It's for individuals and beings that have chosen that, like you spoke to earlier, the light or positive polarity needs the negative to know itself, not to be itself. Like, I love that distinction. Yes, very good. Yeah. Yeah, because you can just be yourself, but without the contrast of who you're not, can't know yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well said. We definitely can't judge the negative path because in all honesty, it's amazing. You know, like when we look at the structures of society which have been built. And literally every, you know, Zach Bush talks about this all the time. And every aspect of our society, it's this perfect pyramidal power structure

of service to self, top down regimen, right? Secrecy and all this stuff. And you got to just give it up to these guys. Like they are incredible masterminds of control and domination. And so that's part of the creator in a sense, right? The wisdom and the intelligence of the creator being expressed through the negative, but it's a distortion of the truth, right, of oneness. And so we just don't want to, if you want to be a being of love, that is, you don't want to cooperate with it, right? And that's the predicament, the spiritual catalyst, I think, that the source provided to all of us during the pandemic. It's like, you got to do this, you got to do that, or you're a bad person. Are you going to do it? And something in a lot of us said,

this feels negative. Like, before I even get to, oh, is it my civic duty for the better of humanity to do this? Wait a minute. Before I'm even there, you're asking me to trust organizations that have proven to be service to self negatively polarized organizations who knowingly lie about their products and medications every year and knowingly kill and damage millions of people a year. And make billions off of it. make billions off of it and pay billions of dollars in criminal penalties. And you're asking me to outsource my power to that structure. I just can't do that. But don't you want to be a good citizen? Not going to get me. But that's how they do it, right? Because you know yourself. Exactly. If you don't know yourself, that's what they take advantage of. Yeah. Part of this realization, once you kind of see and have the awareness and zoom out to see the energies that are at play

without labeling it as good or bad as you just realize the game of life that we're in. And when you realize it's a game, then you can become aware of it. It's just like Neo and the Matrix waking up to the reality of how for the vast majority and just at the level of consciousness that we're at,

most individuals are operating as NPCs. And it's not to judge them and be like, you're not woke and I'm woke. No, it's just to see that there is a game being played out here. And the more that you have that conscious realization, the more you actually have power to use the positive polarities, if you so wish, to be on the advancement of your own spiritual journey. And oftentimes even using the negative

polarities service to self infrastructure that has been built. We are operating with an infrastructure that has been built by corporations and individuals that have been on that path. And it's cool. We get to play in that game and become a Trojan horse for waking people up. Right. That's a good way of putting it. And it's interesting you bring that up because Ra actually talks about that idea as well that in terms of the non-playable character, when our incarnation is over, if we're self-aware and we know that we're on a spiritual journey, we're a soul, right, then when we go back to the, Ra calls it the space-time realm and the time-space realm. So space-time is this realm. Time space is where we go when our soul leaves the body. when we go back to time space we get to choose our next incarnation we get to craft what kind of

lifetime we want to live based on the lessons we're trying to learn and before we're aware that we are an eternal being a soul um raw says you're kind of like it raw doesn't say this but they in so few words say you're kind of like an npc meaning when when that incarnation's over and you go back karma itself decides your next lifetime you have no say in it yet because you're not aware of who you really are yet. So whatever your karmic configuration is, the universe just spits you back into another body, just like it's doing with animals and insects. Like an insect doesn't need to choose its next lifetime. It just needs a thousand more insect lifetimes, right, to learn and grow. But once we know who we are, we get to take our evolutionary journey into our own hands. And that's the

beautiful part of this game we're playing is that it's all about free will. You're fully in charge. You're fully the creator of your reality. Even if you think you were born in. a underprivileged life or whatever, you have to know that your soul chose that for a reason based on the lessons you need to learn. So the best thing that any of us can do to begin really polarizing towards the positive is just take a look around at our life, you know, and ask yourself, why would I have wanted a life like this, my soul? What lessons would I have been trying to teach myself spiritually by putting myself in a life. a lifetime like this. Maybe you've been abused a lot or you've just been, you've had a very poor,

impoverished life. What spiritual lessons would that life be trying to teach you, whether it's self-love, forgiveness, acceptance? These messages are actually screaming at us in our own life, right? But until we become self-aware, we're kind of like an NPC that's just going through a game. Yep. Yep. Mistaken for who we think we are and an illusion of identity that we've created for ourselves. And if you're tuning into this episode of the No-I-Self podcast right now, and you've made it this far, I want you to bring your full attention and presence to where we're about to go because we're going going deeper and deeper here. And I truly believe the value of not just what we've gone into in the framework we've set up, but what we are going to go into the rest of the podcast really is an

amazing catalyst and understanding and awareness for how to wake up, for how to alleviate suffering in life, how to know yourself and have a beautiful experience in this life. So stay with us. We're going to he'd dive in deeper. People are familiar with IQ and EQ. Not as many people are familiar with the term SQ. So what in your, because as you wake up, you realize this is a game. Yeah. And you have this kind of heightened awareness of what lessons I'm supposed to be learning.

And like you perceive how things are working for you, not just to you in a victimhood consciousness. You can develop spiritual intelligence. And so how do you describe what spiritual intelligence is? And let me go from there. Yeah. So the way that I've understood. spiritual intelligence, I don't think that there's one right definition. But the way it's come through for me is your SQ is your comprehension of reality.

How much do you truly comprehend what reality is? Now, if that definition is kind of ambiguous, another one that I'll often give is on a more functional level. Your SQ is the combination of your level of self-awareness and your embodiment, or your integration. And there's obviously a big difference between the two, right? Masculine, feminine. We all know lots of people who are really high in self-awareness, like, and they're full of spiritual knowledge, and they can talk to talk like the best of them and razzle-dazzle you with knowledge. I find that quite often, a lot of plant medicine communities, anywhere where you're

regularly going to gain a lot of awareness, like you can have access to a lot of insight. Yeah. But I'd be careful with unearned wisdom because you have. that level of awareness and if you're lacking the embodiment it's like your reality and your experience of reality actually doesn't change that much right and you can invite some some real tough karma too right so we have to actually once once we gain the awareness of self we then have to embody the self and that is the feminine elements of what we are so sq would be a combo of your masculine and feminine but i like to delineate that as self-awareness and embodiment Yeah, being yourself, knowing yourself, having that kind of coming together.

And so now as we go through this process, we develop our own spiritual intelligence, how we essentially go on this ascension spiral. I want to break these down to the gross reality, the subtle body and the causal body, and how we can actually move through with them. Because a lot of people are familiar with moving through the denser energies or like shadow work and doing talk therapy or whatever in this reality. but I have always been keen and interested to see the deeper causal reasons for why things are manifesting in the first place. And until we can actually, you know, we can work through things in the third density in this reality and see progress, have an improved display of experience of life. Sure. But if we're actually having the desire to seek to know ourselves at the most fundamental level, we get to realize what the higher reasons or the deeper reasons, depending on which way you look at it for the happenings in our reality. So give us kind of your framework on that ascension process of how we're actually waking up and then how on each level we can quote unquote move through our shit to have access to these higher densities of consciousness.

Yeah, yeah. Well, so I love the, it's from the Hindu tradition, Advaita Vedanta. They call it the four bodies of consciousness. I like to think of it as an ascension spiral because what it's teaching is that we are, what we are is much more complex than we realize. right we are actually like a cake with layers right there's layers to what you are and it it separates like if it could pull apart what you're what you are it would have let's say four levels to it um also like the visual of like a like a russian doll yeah like a russian doll yeah so if you pull open the russian dolls of your consciousness they say well let's go from the most dense level first the gross

body, which doesn't mean like disgusting. It means dense, physical, gross, right, material. That's the first body of consciousness. And that's when you're just identified as a body. So that's 90% at least of humanity right now. I'm this body and that's all I am. And everything I experience is through the perspective of a body. What happens to my body is felt as if it happens to me, the essence, the I I refer to. So that's body consciousness. That's the first level. We all begin there as we're born. because of that veil of separation, right? The second body of consciousness we can ascend to through lots of spiritual effort is the subtle

body, which is the mental body. And that's when we begin to experience ourselves and the universe more through the mind. And, you know, the thing about like law of attraction teachings, when someone's getting really interested in law of attraction, you know they're ascending into the subtle body because they're realizing like, I'm actually something beyond this physical body. I can actually affect reality with my mind. Right. And that's kind of like in that third density reality.

Like you understand you are a creator and that you are a manifester and you can create your life. But a lot of people will kind of stay there for a while too. Right. So then, yeah, keep on. Yeah. The subtle body is a very long body. I actually will, I have an SQ chart in that series of through the seven chakras. And I'll map what body.

correlates to each chakra. And the subtle body, I think, expands like three chakras. So the subtle body is when the universe appears to be mental more than physical and energetic, let's say. So we have to transcend that body by realizing the eternal essence, eternal truth behind the form we see. That's what will bring us to the causal body, which is our body of, let's say the soul's body. or our spiritual body. And that is the, some people call it the void, pure emptiness, pure being. There's really nothing there except for the karma that you're carrying.

So the causal body is also called the karmic body. At least I call it that, because that's the body that carries your karma from lifetime to lifetime. Each mind is a different mind, right, from each lifetime. But you're carrying some similarities from your past life. Well, what is that similarity? It's your karma and the way that your karma is molding and shaping the expression of your soul. So it's something very subtle and hard to pin down, right?

But it's undeniable in our experience. Yeah, it's a beautiful visual also. Imagine you throw a pebble into a pond and you see like multiple ripples. Most people identify as like in this example, the third or fourth ripple and that gross subtle or that gross body, very dense. Go back another layer. There's more of an energetic signature and it's more of the subtle body. the causal body, and then you can go to the place, the source, right, which is the actual

pebble that was thrown. Yeah. And like where the source, the cause of all those ripples in the first place, it's not to say that one is better than the other, just that they, the causal, or I guess the most, the most subtle version of it encapsulates each level, right? And so how can we work through them? And what are the different ways on each level to transmute alchemize the energy, for example, starting with shadow work on the first density?

Yeah. Yeah. So in my programs, I actually teach, let's say, let's just call it healing for convenience. I teach healing in these three different bodies, gross purification, subtle purification, and causal purification. So gross purification is shadow work. So that's where we have to meet all of that stuck energy that's in the body, trauma, pain, resentment from the past. We have to unlock those energies. And heal them with love and forgiveness. And when we do that, I'll tell my students, like, any time you're experiencing a challenging emotion, you're doing gross purification in that moment. And all you're asked to do is just meet that with love. You don't need to think about it. You don't need to trace back the trauma to the origin or something. Like, you just need to give love to yourself,

to that part of yourself. But that's only one dimension of healing. The second dimension is the subtle purification, and that's healing our thoughts. So really, if you're just lost in a world of painful emotions, the last thing on your mind is your thoughts. You're too busy on the energetic level, the dense, gross level. So we need to give ourselves free some space up so we can really start doing some self-inquiry, right? Have a little more space in our mind. That's where we get into subtle purification. What do you believe about yourself?

What negative core beliefs are you still holding onto that you need to see from the perspective of truth? That's subtle purification. So we have to question every thought we hold about ourselves and see if it holds up under the light of what's eternally true of who we are. And that's how we purify the subtle body. And then the causal body is, again, our karmic body. And so we heal our causal body from the karma that it's carrying by paying attention to our life lessons. Ra calls it catalyst in the law of one. every experience that we have is like a catalyst that is there to provide an opportunity for growth

if it's perceived and used accordingly. So, hey, what lesson is this moment asking me to learn? What part of my being is it demanding of me? More patience. More compassion. Something like that. You have to pay attention to your life and communicate with your life. And that's how your soul heals karma, which is the causal body.

So there's three dimensions of healing that we are engaged in. And for me, it's helpful to know the distinctions between those three. Yeah, because different purification processes are needed depending upon what stage of development you're at. But the more you get access to higher levels of consciousness, the more you're in tune with the subtle energies that are behind the more gross, denser manifestations. And then you begin to work through those. And yoga is a science and technology that allows you to accelerate that process and really

go through that. And most people are just familiar with an asana practice. of physical postures and right this westernized view of what yoga is but there's eight limbs that dive deep into actually how to move through this process so it's um it's it's when you have this understanding and i just wish and i know in our lifetime the education system will have to be revamped otherwise for sure it's not going to be pretty but like this understanding and framework is so needed and it's beautiful once you arrive at because then you have tools you have an understanding to move through energy and actually become uh in that creator consciousness

where you're you're actively meeting life halfway and the awakening of your soul's journey. Yeah. Yeah, really well said. You're touching on the importance of, it's part of knowing thyself, is like what part of me needs healing right now. There's a lot of people that are,

they sort of become perpetual shadow workers, especially in the plant medicine community, right? They almost get addicted to shadow work and never go the next level up. And we could also call gross purification like feminine healing. And we could call subtle purification, masculine healing,

and then carmic healing. So I love to use this analogy of a flooded house to understand the difference. Let's say there's a house that's flooded with water and the house represents you, your body.

The water that's in the house represents all the stuck energy from your traumas and your pain. So if I want to heal that house, I have to do two things, right? I need to open up all the windows and doors to let the water flood out. But if I just do that and I don't go around and then turn off all the faucets in the house, the water's just going to reaccumulate, right? So if I don't change my

beliefs about myself, yeah, I can heal that trauma, but I'm going to recreate it at some point because I still believe I'm separate. I'm lacking. I'm unworthy, whatever. So I have to do some subtle purification too and change my beliefs. That represents turning all the faucets off in the house. So if I just turn the faucets off, but I don't open all the windows and doors, well, at least I've, I've stopped the water from accumulating, but I'm still full of the pain and the trauma, right? So there's also a problem there. And that's where I see more of like the non-duality community, where you get these people that are like professional bypassers almost, where like I literally watched a video of a Neo-Advita teacher not too long ago where, you know, some guy, he's sitting on a stool and

there's an audience and they're asking questions and this lady's like, so my, my 12-year-old son just passed away in a car accident, but it didn't really happen. And it's just like, oh, I felt it man in my heart when I watched that. Because, yeah, that's true, right? Like, eternally speaking, your son didn't die. Nothing happened to him. But nevertheless, you're carrying the pain of that trauma and the loss of your son here that you need to meet. If you arrive at that, understanding authentically, that's beautiful. But to have it as a belief system and like that's the difference between information, knowledge, and wisdom where it's actually integrated in what we spoke to of that embodiment that's really needed. And so like it's not that it's wrong, but if you're

going to bypass yourself to that belief system and be indoctrinated into everything's an illusion, like you can say that, but less than you've done the work to actually have that be a felt experience in your reality, then you're just causing more issues for yourself and more suffering. and that that's painful. Yeah. And it's not authentic. Yeah. Like I'll get a lot of non-duality people comment on my videos and they'll ask me things.

And I get it, right? But like, for example, there was a post I did about everything exists in relationship. The whole universe is cooperation and relationship. And somebody commented and was like, false. In oneness, there's no relationship. There's just emptiness, you know. Right. And so I just said, is it your direct experience?

that there is no relationship. You don't experience relationship. Is that your actual experience? And well, but non-duality says. So it's like, yeah, there's problems on that level too if we're not able to meet what's real and happening here in the physical. And it's not that it's not happening in the physical.

It's just that the physical is impermanent, right? It's transient. It doesn't last. But to say that something you experienced, you didn't experience is gaslighting yourself and bypassing. So we have to meet the parts of us. that hurt from something and just say, it's okay to feel that. You're not unspiritual because you got traumatized. You're not unloving because you have some resentment towards your abuser. Just accept that

part of you. It's okay. It's okay to feel, right? It's part of the creator learning. And then you, oh, I can breathe again in there's space. And then you might just realize that nothing actually happened. Right. Yeah. Just got to authentically arrive that experience. I love how you broke that down. So beautiful. Thank you, man. So as you, as you, as you, we continue to dive deeper here, right? And the inherent belief of separation, the mindset of scarcity comes, suffering is inevitable when you're somebody that needs to protect to survive. And of course, that's part of ourselves. But in this human experience, as we're working with the more denser energies, there is how we work with the ego on the path of self-actualization is an important understanding.

I really love the framework you give in of like three different beliefs of the ego. So please dive into that and we can open up this little rabbit hole. Yeah, I feel like this is a topic you're going to love to jam on. So in my own personal journey when I was coming out of my dark night of the soul. By the way, if you'd like to share a little bit about that before we go into it, I mean, your dark night of the soul on that journey, I would love for you to touch on too. Sure, yeah. Yeah, it gives good context for where this understanding came from. Like you said, I grew up pastor's kid, deeply religious, devout Christian, and wanted to follow in my dad's footsteps to be a pastor one day, actually did, became a pastor for one year, had an awakening out

of religion at 23 and was like, I don't believe any of this stuff anymore. Total identity crisis, who am I if I'm not a Christian? You know, every single friend I had or had ever had was Christian. All my family, everyone I know is Christian. So it was like immediate exodus from my life. Yeah. And that's what the universe needed to do for me, right? It's just isolation.

And so I was all alone. I don't believe in this religious God anymore. I'm pretty sure Jesus existed, but like I've, I guess I've been deluding myself, thinking that I've been having this relationship with Jesus, became a closet atheist for a few months, started reading near-death experiences like 30, 40, 50 a day, just obsessively. Because I'm like, if anyone knows the truth, it's these people, right? And that gave me some hope and assurance again. no, there is an eternal truth. There is a source. And we can call that source God if we want.

We could call it the Tao. We could call it whatever. But it's real. And you are one with it. Okay, that's what I needed to hear. Right. So from there, I just jumped into like all the Eastern stuff. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism. And I got married at 23 years old and to, you know, my Christian ex-wife. She was 20 years old. We were super young. And then after I left my religion, we just kind of went like this. And so got divorced at 26. Again, everyone in my life thinks I'm a heretic and a cult leader and stuff now. So I have no friends. I'm living back in the Bay Area, working at Google as a personal trainer.

And if you know anything about the Bay Area, it's not conducive to making friendships. It's like everyone's in their little bubble going 100 miles an hour, to and from their tech job, back to their 12th story apartment, you know, me being one of them. So I had no friends all alone, divorced. Everyone thinks I'm a heretic. I'm getting hate messages on Facebook and Instagram every day from former Christians accusing me of being evil and stuff. So I had just a lot bearing down on my soul at that time. So I went through this severe depression of just life is hopeless. There's no reason to live.

There's no purpose. And that's what drove my intense spiritual seeking. So I spent about four years just every day, just, am I going to make it through another day? You know, that kind of depression. and my vice was to just read enlightenment texts. Like these texts give me some hope that there might be some escape from this hell I'm in.

And that led to an experience at 27 where I was listening to an Eckhart-Tolle lecture on my break at work. I'd go up to this balcony above my gym. Just listen to Eckhart and watch the clouds pass. And I had like a little bit of peace during that time of my day, so I loved my lunch break.

And one day, you know, the planet's a lot. lined or whatever, and I'm sitting there listening to this lecture, and Eckhart is sort of mocking things that ego says to us in our head. Things like, if only people would recognize how special I am, then I would truly be happy. And then he laughs, his Eckhart laugh. And the audience laughs. And so I was just listening. And he did like five or six in a row. And then a big pause and then another one. And I was just laughing each time because I was increasingly recognizing like, he's nailing it. This is exactly what my ego is saying to me every day. And I sort of laughed

myself into a realization, which, you know, laughter can be a very potent way to realize something. I literally laughed myself into enlightenment in that moment because I just saw the nature of what was really behind that truth, which is that all is one. You are eternal. There's only one being in the universe. Everything is that one being expressing. All the stuff we say we know, but I knew it perceptively, right? I actually experienced it. And it was just absolute bliss everywhere I looked. And so I'm in this samadhi state at work and I have a client in 20 minutes. So I float down to the gym and I'm like ready to train somebody. And their first comment was, wow, Aaron, you look really happy. And I said, I am. So that was a two week experience in that state, unbroken.

for 14 days. So I literally was given this like free sample of enlightenment. And many people have experiences like this, right? But I woke up 14 days after that, looked at my phone, realized it was two weeks that I'd been in that state. And the first ego thought came back online, which said basically, wow, I wonder if I'm enlightened. I wonder if this is my permanent state of consciousness. So now there's an eye who's claiming this state, right? And from there, unraveled and my ego came back and then the depression eventually was back tenfold because now I'd actually tasted what heaven was like and they got thrown back into hell. And so hell was even worse with that contrast and the hopelessness was even worse of like I don't want to live a

second in this state knowing that that state's available. But I can't get back there. I'm stuck here. So I just, you know, my entire life outside of spiritual growth became meaningless to me. I was a full-time fitness model in San Francisco, competitive bodybuilder, personal trainer. I was in all this vanity in my life. I completely stepped out of it after that. Quit my modeling gig, dropped out of the show I was prepping for, like, couldn't have cared less about that stuff. And every waking second of my day was just devoted to how do I get back to that state of consciousness? And through that burning desire came this gradual understanding of what I call the three beliefs of ego.

The understanding first came through on the emotional level because I realized I was trying to break down my suffering. Like what am I really suffering from? There's feelings of sadness for sure most of the time. Sometimes I get really angry. And then other times I'm just really stressed out. So it's like, can I find any other feelings I suffer from? And it was nope.

it's clearly these three sadness, anger, fear, root, sacral, solar plexus, yeah. So once I understood, like, yeah, there's actually just three kind of root negative emotions that human beings suffer from. The next question eventually appeared, which was, well, then, those three different emotions must happen for different reasons, right? There's a type of reason why I'm sad versus angry or stressed out. What is that reason? And after really like wanting to know the answer to this question. And these questions like, I didn't want to just make up a system or something. It was like, I need to know this information to stop suffering. And so I didn't want to fool myself and come up with an idea that's not actually true. So I would test it against my

personal experience. And eventually the first belief of ego became obvious, which is that I am lacking. I'm insufficient. I'm not enough in some way. So the belief in lack is like the first belief ego has. And that's the belief that causes sadness. When we feel sad, it's because we feel like we've lost something or we are lacking something that we need, right? Yeah. So that's the first belief. The second belief is actually kind of an extension of the first. They all connect to each other. If I am lacking, then that implies I might be able to fulfill my lack. I can complete myself somehow. And so what does the ego want to complete itself with? Kind of hard to come up with the right words for this, but I like to just say outcome happiness, right? Just the general belief

that a positive outcome will somehow complete me. That's the second belief of ego. And that's the belief that causes anger. Because what happens anytime a goal gets blocked or an outcome gets blocked, ego gets angry. Anger is the way of like, I'm going to smash through this obstacle because I got to get my outcome no matter what, right, whatever it is. So anger is a very useful energy for getting your outcomes, yeah. And then if I need to complete myself, then that's the third belief implies the third belief, which is I'm the doer. I'm in control of life. I'm the one who makes the gears of life turn. I act and behave independently of the universe. That's the third belief, and that's the belief that will cause fear. When I say fear, I mean more like stress,

worry, anxiety, paranoia, right? Whenever you, whenever the mind believes it's losing control over a situation, panic, stress, worry will be the result. So when the ego thinks it's losing its control, it gets fearful, stressed out, afraid, right? And so that's actually, those are the three underlying beliefs behind every moment you've ever suffered in your life, it was actually just one of those three beliefs that was ultimately causing it. So if we want to talk about subtle purification, we can trace back all of our mind activity to one of these three beliefs. Everything ego does, it has to first use a belief that you agree with to then get you off on the story, right? So if you don't believe that you're lacking fundamentally, ego can't trick you.

to being sad about something. This is something that happens to people who evolve spiritually after a while. We notice that the grief of losing a loved one just kind of disappears, where we're just literally not able to feel sad when someone we love passes away. We actually feel really happy. We're like, man, you just graduated from a human lifetime. Congrats. Like, best of luck on your next journey.

Can't wait to see you on the other side. We can't believe we're lacking that person anymore. And so people still in lack will say, you're so insensitive that you're not sad in crying with us. And you're like, I just have too much love in my heart. You know, there's no room for it. Yeah. So beautiful, man.

I think it's just a powerful understanding and pointer to on the path of having an integrated ego, which is necessary. It's not like we're going to get rid of it. But being able to first off, create space for you to actually have these firsthand awarenesses, like hearing it in this conversation, for example, I'm sure is supportive for people. And when you first, when you come to that realization, and arrive at that authentically within yourself and you can see, see that, it takes space to get to that point.

Like, we're just so embodied as the ego, as the identity. It's not that the ego perceives life around us as not being enough. It's just that the ego identity structure itself is not enough. And we are operating within that thinking that we are it. And so we're living in the solution of our own making. And of course, it's necessary for us, like we spoke to the beginning, full circle, to forget ourselves to go through this whole process. So to see the purpose that it serves and to see the inner workings of what's going on behind the thing and that I'm not sad because my ex left me.

I'm sad because of what I think that means because there's that feeling of lack, right? Whatever the thing is, whatever is happening in our external reality that we project and say that's the reason why I'm angry, I'm fearful, I'm sad. Then that's just going to be a never-ending rabbit hole that you continue to go down. Right, right. That's a great point, actually, that ego wants you to be lost in the story. why so that you won't question the underlying assumption. Yeah. For the survival of itself, right?

Yes. So because if you question it and get down to the root of it, then where's the ego? It gets dissolved in that space. Right. So it's a process of having this awareness, but then we get to become integrated. We have an integrated ego. Like, I'd be so careful around somebody who says they don't have an ego. Like that is a massive ego.

Yeah, turn around and run. Right. Run to a different environment immediately. Because that is just, it's somebody who is operating within the shadow and they're not realizing it, right? It's complete unawareness. And so coming back to this place of awareness, how for you, like, what has been the process of actually, like, you saying this gives people context to when things arise to point and dig deeper, have some space. And at least be curious about the experience instead of claiming that it is what it is, right? Maybe there's something deeper working here.

You know, my friend Peter Crone, I love what he gives us this analogy of almost just like the tonality shift of like saying, I'm an idiot, I'm an idiot, I'm an idiot, I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. You know, it's like even just the tonality shift of turning it into a question allows space to be created to look at it from a different perspective. And that's what we need to do to create the space. So for you, how that's shown up in your life, man,

is there anything else you want to touch on in regards to how we can have go on this process of integrate? creating our ego. Yeah, well, I mean, it's all just about finding out what's true, right, at the end of the day. Because these three beliefs are interconnected, even they exist in relationship, right? We can actually do the most damage to the ego's thought system by transcending lack, because the other two depend on lack as well. So transcending the belief in lack is the most challenging and the most potent belief to transcend. And so a course of miracles,

a course of love are extremely helpful texts for doing that because they lay out God's thought system, the thought system of reality in such a way that it's absolutely convincing. You're like, oh yeah, ego's thought system is a delusion. I see it now. And one of the ways that this was made most available to me to understand was through this concept of oneness

as all things exist in relationship. So it can be hard to tell someone like, hey, realize that all is one. Good luck. You know, ego is just not going to do that. So we can give the mind a bridge to that realization a little step down in between and say, well, okay, forget about oneness. Just try to become aware that everything exists in relationship. Start there. And that does, that begins to do something extremely powerful to the mind in that it starts to, because it seems innocent enough to where ego's like, oh, cool, relationships can help me out, so I'm happy to do that. And you can just start noticing, you know, just the relationship between the cup and the water, even. It's just the simplest

relationships and the oxygen I'm breathing to have this conversation. And then our actual relationship, everything is cooperating with something. Everything is depending on something else. Nothing can actually exist in a vacuum. Even the sun, which appears to be existing in a vacuum of space is still in relationship to space, right? So one, this is the inescapable fact of reality, and separation is literally an impossibility. Nothing can be separate. So why am I still living from this delusional state that I'm separate? Well, you're not aware that everything is relationship yet. So when you start there, you begin to realize that you begin to see how ego came up with its false thought system, right, where ego thinking it's separate from everything.

else. You know, the whole universe is this amazing dance of cooperation, right? It's this endless flow of giving and receiving. And so when we're in oneness, when we're living from a oneness state of consciousness, we're in that flow with the universe. We're connected. We're in the giving and receiving. So all our needs are met. Even Jesus said this, right? Who of you by worrying can add anything to your life? Look at the sparrows. They don't worry. And God feeds them. And the lilies of the field are beautiful and they don't worry, like, you should be like that. He's speaking to this truth, right? That in the oneness of reality, all your needs are met because you're one with reality. So it can't leave you out. Love can't leave anything out. So we cut ourselves off from the unity

of creation by believing we're separate. And then our needs seem to not be getting met because we're not in the giving and receiving. We're in take, take, take. So then the ego just sees all of its, all the needs it thinks aren't getting met, it just sees that as lack. I'm lacking this. I'm lacking that. And of course what miracle says, and this is my like ultimate mantra for the first belief to heal the first belief, of course of miracle says, only what I have not given can ever be lacking. Only what I have not given can ever be lacking.

So there is no lack. There's just what you're not giving. and that's how you heal lack. The belief in lack is whatever it is you think you're lacking. And you do have to get to the core of it, right? Give yourself that. So you mentioned the breakup. I'm feeling so lonely now because my ex and I are separate.

Oh, I'm so lonely. What are you really thinking you're lacking, right? You believe you're lacking love in your life. You believe love is now absent from your experience. So can you give that love to yourself? or maybe not even to yourself. Can you go love the trees outside your house? Can you just go give love to something?

Service to others, radiating. And now you become positively polarized. You're no longer looking to take from the hole to serve yourself. I need to get love from someone. That's the ego's kind of special relationship. It's all about possession. Instead of doing that, you just say, I want to give love to creation. I want to be the giver of the love.

and the course says you discover that giving and receiving are one. That's the same thing. You can't, what you give away is what you keep for yourself. Because again, you are the source of everything because you are the creator in your ultimate form. But how could you ever know what's inside of you if you don't give it? How could a star ever know it's light if it never shown its light? How could a superhero know that they have superpowers if they never go fight crime

or use their powers, right? it's in you but you have to express it and that's what love is that's what service to others is it's beautiful man just like giving everybody who's listening to this an invitation to not project out and point the finger

at whatever's happening in your reality that maybe you're not the biggest fan of to say that to inquire in the place in which from you're perceiving something not just what you're perceiving we can be so externally focused and when you look at nature it's inherently intelligent

and abundant, we are nature. As opposed to the definition, which is actually interesting, if you look up the definition on the dictionary, it's like everything that's connected, all life, plants, animals, except humans. Of course. It's so funny. And so with that inherent belief of scarcity and separation,

we are, of course, going to be under the illusion that we need to be in the pursuit of joy, happiness, connection, right? And what you're speaking to is coming from the energy that instead of I'm trying to be in the pursuit of joy or happiness, my life can be an expression of joy and the expression of happiness. And they're coming from two completely different places because one's under the illusion that it's external, the other is under the proper understanding that it's actually all coming from the original source within yourself.

And from that place, then you can go into partnerships, for example, and you're not looking for somebody to complete you to be your other half, quote unquote, you know? You're coming into. And of course, there's going to be parts in your life where you need to maybe go through the relativity of a partnership to realize the magnitude of love that you have within you, like you see in the reflection of another person more of yourself and that you can actually hold that love. But then as you evolve and you awaken and you go on this journey, then your life becomes this expression of love. And now when I go into relation with somebody, I'm not looking

and get anything out of you. Why? Because I have everything within me. And I've realized that. And when that's an authentic experience and not just a mental projection, trying to sound cool, not just virtue signaling, then you just become a magnet to what's needed for you in life and how you can serve. And it becomes that path of service and how you can shine your light and spread love and do it in the ways that the creator or life, nature's inherent intelligence, has gifted you your own gifts and skill sets to weave in the way that you want to weave, whether it's through writing, whether it's through speaking or podcasting or art or music, some form of expression that allows that energy to be transmitted and shared with others

because we look at all life around us and it's giving everything. The human mind and the human ego is the only thing that wants to hold on to that because it's perceiving lack. So as you start to go through this process and you start to work with energies at more subtle levels, I'd love for you to share a little bit more about your own experience of Kundalini energy and your own experiences with having those spurts and those growths because then you can start to harness it. And you start to harness your sexual energy.

You start to harness your creative life force energy. And you can use it to expedite your own spiritual process. Now, I will say that there's some caution here that as you consciously bring forth more karma into your life, things are going to happen very fast. And if you don't have your seatbelt on and you're not safe in your physical, physiological structure within the body, the body's ability to handle that, then it's going to be a wild ride. and a lot of things externally will be changing as you start to bring some more of that karma

from the warehouse that's stored up in the ethers, you know, so to speak. So tell us a little bit more about your own journey with Kundalini Energy and then what it is and how to activate that within us so we can so we can know that self. Yeah, yeah. Well, so through practicing those three beliefs for a couple years' time, like really every day was all about like I'm going to find these beliefs at work in my life and I'm going to correct them with truth if my freaking life depends on it. And that allowed me to open up so much space in myself in a relatively short period of time that sort of about two to three years after that understanding was really ingrained in me began these weird symptoms of first starting in the body.

So like, you know, hot pinpricks throughout the body. The most notable one is always this lava-like sensation of energy in your wrists, probably through your meridians, I'm guessing, in the nervous system. But anytime I would lay down and be still, my body, my arm, shoulders, and then eventually legs, shins, and feet had this amazing heat flowing through them that I can't describe it as, I wouldn't describe it as fire. I would describe it more like electricity in that it was extremely, it felt extremely, hot, but not painful.

And that's when I started to feel like something is going on, you know, in my nervous system. And I'd heard a little bit about Kundalini, but didn't really know much about it. So I started doing some research on like, is this a Kundalini thing? And sure enough, I found other people on forum boards and whatnot who were talking about these exact symptoms and the crazy vivid dreams. And so I started practicing yoga every morning in my meditation session. I would do a lot of breath work, beginning with Kria, Pranayama, and then just classic, you know, fire breathing, breath retentions and stuff. And then a lot of bondas and hatha yoga stuff, all these different techniques and vehicles humans have invented for stimulating the nervous system.

And that's what people online were saying was helpful if you're having these symptoms. So I just started doing it. And then eventually had what we classically think of as a kundalini awakening, which is the sort of lightning. bolt event. I call it the inner conjunction where it's essentially when we've built up such a charge of polarized energy in the root chakra from retaining our sexual energy, lots of spiritual practice, a lot of open-hearted devotion and love for life. We'll do this as well. When you get any one of those three ingredients or all three, you're heading towards a kundalini activation. And what I eventually came to discover it was really through the law of one, actually.

actually, was that it's the activation of your green ray energy, your heart chakra energy. And that's why Kundalini is known as being the energy of pure love. It is the energy that comes available in the human nervous system after enough spiritual maturity has happened. We can understand this really well when we think about any time you've had a oneness experience. You might, maybe it's on a plant medicine, maybe not, but you have some glimpse of oneness that gives you incredible bliss, right? And maybe you're blist out for 20, 30 seconds, maybe a few hours.

But it's not long before it wears off, right? And you go back to your normal 3D separation consciousness. Well, that's because our nervous system is literally not equipped to handle that frequency for very long. It's kind of like maxing out the RPMs on your engine, right, of your nervous system. So we need to increase the bandwidth of our nervous system to sustain that frequency. frequency of bliss or love for extended periods of time or even permanently. And so the universe has this amazing, intelligent mechanism that has been evolved in our nervous

system where when you put a kind of demand on that energy, it will come into activation in response to that demand and literally begin to upgrade your nervous system. And this is what we have heard called, some people know it as the nectar cycle. some people know it as the sacred secret secretion. Emerita. Yes, emrita. So basically your sexual energy, I like to say that sexual energy is like the currency that Shakti uses to purchase spiritual evolution with. Meaning when you're not wasting your sexual energy all the time on personal means, it begins to be used for spiritual ascension.

And that's most people's biggest hang up, right, is they can't stop depleting their sexual energy. not just through sex, right, but even just your thoughts and your attention can drain it. So when you truly point your sexual energy towards the divine and whether you're in a conscious partnership and you say, hey, I want to view sex not as how can I feel satisfied from this experience, but how can I give you love? How can I make love to you and experience you through this act? Those kinds of shifts is what really ignites Kundalini quick. And you can do that if you're not at a partnership, right? More so for men than women, but retaining your semen, for example, has been this classic technique that men use to awaken kundalini, increase creativity,

so many of benefits, right? Well, that's because it's literally the most lucrative energy your body makes. So when a kundalini awakening happens, that energy, the sexual fluids literally start to be borrowed by your cerebral spinal fluid. And your cerebral spinal fluid starts to, bring them up the spine towards the brain. It literally takes the nutrients out of your sexual energy, moves it up the spine. It gets into the brain. And then this is where Emrita comes in, where after enough time in the brain, you'll start to experience a kind of mucus-like fluid dripping down the back of your throat that is either some people say it's very sweet or it'll be very salty. It seems to be one of the two. And that's actually the CSF.

from the brain coming down the esophagus and you swallow it every day over time and it gradually goes into your gut and starts transforming your gut as well, which is kind of another hub for your nervous system. So it's literally this energy that Kundalini starts moving upwards that is upgrading your nervous system to a higher frequency level, to a fourth density level. And that's why people who go through a Kundalini awakening, as I experienced, psychic power start to awaken usually. Psychic gifts, the heart chakra powers of empathy and really potent intuition, being able to feel what other people feel, being able to know things intuitively. That just starts happening for people usually. Another thing that happens is you'll start feeling really blissful.

It'll just, oh, oneness everywhere. Everywhere I look is unity and it's just so beautiful and joyous. It starts to happen naturally rather than it doesn't take so much effort as it used to. That's another symptom of it. So you're the only reason that you're able to have those psychic abilities or experience bliss so frequently is because your nervous system has been upgraded. So that's really what kundalini is. It's a neurobiological transformation that takes place in response to, again, putting a demand spiritually. Beautiful, beautifully said, articulated. I love the whole framework, understanding. And once you start to have the experience of that, like I've been doing various forms of Korea yoga for like seven years now. And I kind of go and do like immersive experiences here and there

where I really try to amp up the voltage. I'm going at end of April to do an eight-day silent retreat with said guru called Samyama. And Samima, yeah. And that is going to be intense. It's like you have to do all the preparation and I guess anticipatory preparation course. and whatnot. But for me, it's like, once you start to work with energy in the more subtle frequencies and start to raise that, then everything that would have taken so much force to get results in your reality in terms of if you want to, you know, attract a certain lifestyle within yourself and partnership and career and all the things, there's so much less effort. Like, it just comes to you instead of you trying to find it and get it. And that becomes

really beautiful. I think the maturation of an individual who's in this human experience, like you start to have your awakening, oftentimes by virtue of really difficult stuff that you have to go through and very painful moments where you're suffering. And then you start to become a seeker and start to seek, depending on where you're at, different levels of degree of that fire for self-transformation and that seeking. I think that you've had periods of like you spoke to after that experience of getting blasted off into heaven. and then down in the pits of hell, you're like, now I know what's possible. I want to go there.

I want to reverse engineer that. I want to serve people. I want to show people how that's possible. That's so beautiful. I too, for sure. I kind of had these like monthly or weekly gatherings with the guys from like 16 to 20 where it was our own like accountability system. And we come together. We all had names.

We all individuals that were reflective of who we are. I was named the truth seeker. And Marcus Aurelius was my, I guess, guy, my figure. It's a good one to get. That's a good one. I like that. I was happy with that. And I just, for a while, you know, had this intense desire for seeking and to truly know myself and to, after meeting certain individuals that embodied a level of purity and just like clear consciousness, it really opened my mind up to what's possible within this human vessel.

if you purify the system enough, if you go through this process of becoming quiet, finding stillness, and going on this process of moving energy. And so for me, it's just like going through this process, as you start to wake up, you need less to fulfill you.

Like, you can just be silent and experience tear-jurking bliss and happiness. And from that place, where's the need to extract it from another human being or a job or whatever it is? And from that place, like we spoke to earlier, you know, you become a magnet that's so much beautiful abundance in life. And as you grow on that journey, I feel like the desire or like the identity of being a seeker

starts to dissolve. You know, once you start to actually realize who you are, then where is the need to seek it? You know, you just are it. So for you, what has been your journey of being like a seeker to then just being who you are? Yeah, yeah. You move from seeker to enjoyer. Yeah. Right? And coincidentally, that's where the real Real progress happens actually, right, when you're just in the flow of it. You're no longer feeling like you are a being that's lacking something and needs to go get it. That is a tough transition to make because that's our ego, right? It thinks it's separate and it's lacking and it needs to get something.

And it even does that with spirituality, which we call the spiritual ego, right? So it's all a natural process, right? Everyone's going to move through these levels of consciousness as they progress. But I think coming back to the truth of oneness for me has been the elixir for all of my transformation is that I never stop seeing oneness deeper. It never becomes a static concept. And it's the key that unlocks the kingdom of heaven for us that we're all looking for. Like just because third density is by comparison to the others, a very disharmonious, chaotic, challenging plane of consciousness. doesn't mean that you can't transcend it while you're here and then find heaven in its place, right?

You absolutely can. And that has to come through the return to unity. And so when we go back to the understanding of everything is giving and receiving in oneness. So I have to start giving in order to join that oneness and that flow. And that's what you just talked about of when you're not trying to take from life anymore, but you want to actually be of service to life. you actually are tapping into an eternal principle, right, that this is the relationship the creator itself has with the universe in that God is service to life because God is the source of all

life. It's constantly sustaining the universe, Vishnu in Hinduism, the sustainer. So God is in constant service to life. And then likewise, life is in constant service to God. because life, the universe is revealing God to itself, is knowing God, experiencing God. So God is service to life and life is service to God. So everything we're looking for is in joining in that service, right? So if I just start thinking, like, how can I just give value to the universe? Like, I bet when you started this podcast, that was your highest excitement of like, I want to start a podcast.

It's going to change people's lives and impact them and help somebody else. get free. And then boom, a few years later, you have this incredible podcast with the most amazing guests in this field, right, accompanying you. You joined yourself with the flow of giving and receiving. And so you're giving to God, God's giving to you, and it's this endlessly mutually beneficial relationship. And so we find that because God is love, God's love is infinite, you can't ever out-serve God. You know? Like, do your best. Throw your best punch and God's going to punch back harder with more love because God's the source of it all. And so when you're excited to wake up and be of service to creation, to, I mean, every single aspect of your life is relationship.

Then you intuitively start to understand that this thing we call enlightenment or liberation is really just making all relationships loving. right? That's not such a hard concept for the mind to grasp. Enlightenment feels hard. Ooh, non-duality and Buddha consciousness, ah, that feels like a challenge, right? Well, what if it's as simple as this? What if it's just making all relationships loving? And I mean all relationships, right? Not just your brother and your sister and your boyfriend, girlfriend, best friend, but even the relationships with your own thoughts, are you loving in those relationships? Are you loving to this relationship with your body? I mean, like, for example,

um, the only reason you and I are having this conversation right now is because of the mitochondria in our body that's giving and receiving to our DNA and ourselves and moving light through the body so that we can be here having this conversation. So like, we're only here because of microscopic organisms that we can't see. Isn't that beautiful? What a relationship, right?

You're not even aware of them. And yet they're, they're sustaining you all the time. And so if I'm unloving to my mitochondria by loading them with toxic, poisonous food, well, now I'm in a negative relationship of taking and keeping, taking and keeping. And so that's going to create negative karma. And so karma then becomes simple as well. Everything gets simplified to me. When we look at it through the lens of oneness and relationship, karma is unloving relationships, right? Any unloving relationship you engage in with a thought, a feeling, with a person, with a life experience, you're creating negative karma because the

universe is a flow. And so that's why we say all the energy you put out will come back to you. But whether it comes back in a positive or negative form depends on what you gave. It's beautiful. And like when I first started doing Bapasana, I really love the understanding of Sinskara's and how really our only job that we need to do is just stop creating those negative impressions. And life will just dissolve the other ones. And like you will just naturally day by day, by year, decade by decade, have a lighter experience of life if you stop continually accumulating those negative impressions, which are those scars within our subconscious mind that we accumulate by virtue of all the information we intake through our five senses, right? And most people think

of diet just as the food they eat, but no, it's everything that is the smells we breathe, you know, that we smell, the food that we taste, how we touch life around us. And certainly the amount of information that we're taking it through our eyes and our ears, through media, through the friends that were around and all the biomarkers that were surrounded with in our physical environment. Like that is creating, it's leaving an imprint on who we are. That's why I've been so particular with keeping a space around me that you're living in, whoever's listening to this, like, have a clean space, have proper spiritual and physical hygiene,

like be able to be really, yeah, just be prudent with that, how you're caring with that energy and how it's coming into your reality. And so before we dive deeper into a couple of things, is there something you want to touch on with in regards to diet and how we can go on this path of purification and, you know, just enhancing our sensitivity. Yeah, well, now that we understand how the nervous system plays such a huge role in our spiritual ascension, then taking good care of the nervous system makes a lot of sense. And so one of the things we'll learn about if we study Kundalini yoga, for example, is diet is huge. This is why in Hinduism food is everything. You know, Ayurveda is the most amazing

science of food because they understand the energetics of food and how it can help or or hurt depending on what you're in taking. So like it's helpful to think about Kundalini like you have a house. That house is full of paper and stone. The paper is all the unreal stuff, all the illusions, all the wrong beliefs. The stone is what's real and true about your being. And you just sort of light a piece of that paper on fire and then step away and you watch that house start to incinerate up in flames. And it's going to burn away everything in that house that is flammable. And that's what kundalini is. She is a fire that ignites at the base of our spine and moves up and burns everything untrue in her path. So that's why, as you said, we have to give a word of caution that please don't

just go do like two hours of breathwork to try to activate your kundalini because it can be done that way. It's very hard, but like Joe Dispenza, for example, is famous for this where he gets people into his sessions and they do this. I went to one of them. It was amazing. This really intense breath work and then huge breath retentions and the music, the drums are going. He's like, come on, push. And you're locking your gut in and pushing the energy up. And people's kundalini start popping.

And it's a really great experience, usually when it happens, because you get that oneness moment. But what happens after that is an unraveling of your psyche. If all that is false, all the negative karma, all the wrong beliefs, all your traumas, they're going to surface because the only way we heal is by feeling. You heal what you feel. So Kundalini starts just grabbing everything in the basement and throwing it to the surface, putting it in your face, heal this, heal this, heal this. And she's just going on a tear through your nervous system, literally through your chakras.

And so people can feel like they're having a multiple personality disorder. A lot of people end up in psych wards after their kundalini goes off because they don't know what the hell's going on. And definitely the Western medicine doctor doesn't know. He's just going to put you on drugs and throw you in a psych ward, right? And psych wards are full of people like that. So we want to be careful in how we approach this for sure. But really just understanding the process is what we need.

Because if anyone understands the process that's happening, that it is. temporary, but you've agitated your ego in a tremendous way. So it's going to throw a huge fit for weeks, months, up to a year sometimes where people are in this psychological, just the throes of hell. But the good news is, depending on how you handle it, but really regardless, you're healing all that stuff as you're feeling it. If we are really well adapted to meeting everything with love and forgiving our past and all that stuff, then we can heal lifetimes of karma in weeks. You know, like we can do so much ascension, but few people are equipped to do that kind of

inner work. So usually it's months and months of living nightmare, you know, hellish experiences. And then they start to gain a foothold and can start to meet some of that energy. So it's very overwhelming. But it will happen gradually and safely and naturally if you don't try to awaken it. but you just get real serious about your spiritual life. You devote your life to God. You become of service to others.

You just described karma yoga really well, which is just alleviating your negative karma by doing good deeds to others. Like anything like this, if it's done with real intentionality, we'll start a kundalini awakening. But at that point, thankfully,

you've already removed a lot of the paper in the wood. So not a lot is left to burn, right? Yeah, I love the understanding of just what's inside that is flammable will have to go. Anything that you're not needs to be burned away to reveal who you are. And if you're not ready for that,

psychologically or physiologically, both are important, then it definitely can go the other way. And that's like one of the most sad things is like a kundalini awakening that's gone to waste. And that's why on the Samayama program that I'm going to where it's eight days, there's 60 days of preparation

where there's about three to four hours of different practices every day. It's a lot. Like with everything that I got going on, it's like, I got to make time for that, you know? A lot of breathwork, a lot of classical hatha yoga, different practices, Shambavi Mahamha Mujah, Shunya, Shaktitlana Kreea, all these different practices that are like really, really gearing the nervous system in the body

to if a moment happens where the kundalini does wake up and it shoots through the system, that you're in a presence in a container physically and then also externally, internally and internally, externally, that is conducive for harnessing the energy and allowing it to move up and not be wasted. So I think it's great that there are certain individuals that are doing these long breathwork sessions or really activating the Kundalini energy. But if there's not a safe container,

if there's no integration, it can be very dangerous work. So beautiful, man. We've just like been this beautiful crescendo of this getting to this point of where we're at of like getting to this point where we're removing the energy and in your perspective, what do you perceive as the event of enlightenment? What is enlightenment?

Like, once the energy moves, you have these awakenings. What is the felt experience of somebody who's actually reached that state, if you will? Because there's, like the word love, like the word God, it's become so used within a lower level of perception. Like we talked about earlier, that enlightenment is like, you're perceiving it from this like red, orange, yellow level of consciousness. and it's not the real thing, you know? So what is your perception on that? And we can go from there. Yeah.

Well, you know, the Buddha said enlightenment is simply the end of suffering. So that's a great definition for enlightenment. But I like how you phrase it as felt experience, because what's the felt experience of not suffering, right? If you're suffering, you have no clue what that's like. That's the whole point. So I think the distinction is that anyone can be enlightened in any moment where you're realizing the truth of the universe,

if you're having a oneness experience, you're enlightened in that moment. Your consciousness is illuminated with the truth. So realizing the truth is not necessarily the point of enlightenment, but it's about not forgetting the truth. And that's the tricky part, is to not forget the truth. So to me, enlightenment has become about not forgetting,

rather than realizing something. It's that realizing it's not. hard, keeping it's hard. Why? Because we have this ego, this driver in our mind that's constantly pushing us towards service to self. And it has to be transcended. It is like the really good boxing sparring partner. We have to spar every day. And, you know, that sparring partner is going to whip your ass for a while. But eventually it's going to make you one hell of a boxer, right? If you have to face that thing every day. So brilliant mechanism, universe, to give us this software a program called ego that just kicks our ass all day. But that is its ultimate purpose, right?

It's to force you to evolve whether you like it or not because you do want to evolve. That's why your soul came here. When you get somebody who's like, I'm so depressed, what's the point of it all? I just want to end it. What's the purpose? And then let's say they do end their life, commit suicide, go back to the other side. What they end up realizing is that they weren't depressed because there was no purpose, but actually because there's so much purpose that they were missing out on and not experiencing that the soul's natural response to not being in the unity of creation is, get me out of here. Because it's not our nature, right? Our nature is oneness. So it's actually that there's so much purpose in a human lifetime that to not realize it is ultimate suffering

and pain. And so we go back to what you said of the joy of self-actually. realization that can you just sit in a room alone by yourself and have peace? Well, money can't buy you that. You know, you can't, you can't purchase that on Amazon. There's no quick, easy way to earn that kind of everlasting pleasure. But when you do prioritize yourself, knowing thyself, then you get these eternal gifts that Jesus talks about in my father's house or many mansions, many rooms, all of God's gifts are given once and last forever. But to get ourselves to the place where we can receive God's gifts of eternal peace, love, unity, that's the challenge in this life, is can you get yourself into a receiving position?

Can you stop being so self-focused and actually get those arms open and become one? Then you get those kinds of pleasures, yeah? Yeah. We're just so conditioned in the consumerist Westernized paradigm. that we want the instinct gratification of whatever it is, even enlightenment. And I just like to have the understanding that if you do the right things, the right things will happen to you. Even the desire for enlightenment is of itself a barrier to enlightenment.

You know, it's the I that wants enlightenment. That's the barrier to it. And so it's nice to be able to position yourself like you're saying, to just be a conduit, to be in a place of receiving, and allow nature to do its thing. whether you have an awakening one month from this podcast or in the next life. It's not your job to know when. It's not your job to know how. All it is is to make yourself available to grace. And that comes through the practices that you do. That comes through proper understanding,

right action. And yeah, just really growing on all those planes that we spoke into. part of this process and it's easy to attach yourself to an ideology or a dogma or a religion on the path of first wanting truth. And a lot of people get locked in that energy for a lifetime, you know, and many lifetimes in different forms, whether it's a cult leader and some sort of cult or religion, which is essentially a very similar thing. It's a bedfellow. in your own experience being in the Christian church and an evangelical church at that. And having this desire for understanding life what the purpose is here, how to live a harmonious life, there's so many beautiful teachings and I don't want this to come across this anyway and I don't think it will that we're demonizing religion because it serves a purpose for individuals at a certain

level of consciousness. Oh yeah. And even inherent in this discussion, like I think we both feel the energy. like I'm down to at any point to be proven wrong. Like there's a, you show me like even if there, I could totally be wrong about this whole consciousness thing, but at a certain point it becomes a felt reality and experience

and you just have clear sight into what is. Yeah. And then it's like, yeah. You just don't doubt it anymore. Yeah, you just don't doubt it. It just is. It's like seeing the color red. Once you see it, it's just the color red.

That's just the reality of it. You don't even say that is red. Right. And there's no need to even articulate it unless you're in discussion, maybe on a podcast like we are, which is what we're doing here. friend of mine, Aubrey Marcus, he, I love, he gave us a description of like our purpose is like essentially God pleasuring itself, you know, it's like, and very much so. It's like God masturbating

in the form of human bodies that are God's pleasure. There we go. So beautiful. So for individuals that are in the kind of initial stages, or maybe they're just coming out of a religious indoctrination or a family where they're so surrounded by and everyone in their friend group is and they're a specific belief system or dogma. How do we first get past the need to know what the creator is, who the creator is, whether what skin color they are, whether it's blue, white, or black, or they have a beard, or they don't, or it's a man or female? And then also, how do you support individuals who are maybe going through leaving a big friend group

or having the death of their reality in the dark night of the soul where it's like they're leaving a big part of, the comfort of having that's, you know, that community around them. Yeah. Well, I, I began on YouTube actually doing that. I started making videos because I was myself coming out. I had come out of Christianity, the fundamentalism of Christianity. And I had found a lot of what I thought were really satisfying answers for these questions of like, well, is God just or not? Does God need to punish people for their sins or not? Is the Bible inerrant or not? And so I just started I'm making videos thinking like, well, these answers have helped me a lot, and I know that they're going to help some people online, because there's a lot of people coming out of religion these days.

And that's where my whole journey began. So I never even anticipated to be a teacher or be a YouTuber at all. It was just like, this is my current passion. I'm just going to follow it. And so one of those things for me was understanding that everything religion teaches you, it's not that it's not true, right? it's that it's way more true than you realize the i like to see religion as like third density training wheels for spirituality yeah in that training wheels are totally valid for a kid that's

learning how to ride a bike uh you'd be such an asshole to judge a kid using training wheels right like you're the problem dude but nevertheless the training wheels eventually have to be transcended to actually ride the bike of spirituality so i love religion i'm a huge fan of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, mystical Christianity. But when you see it as a learning device rather than the absolute finish line, you know, of spirituality, that's when you can use religion as a springboard. And in Christianity, when some of the dogmatic views started rubbing me wrong, when the training wheels were no longer wanted anymore, it was all an inside job for me. It was like, I'm genuinely struggling with these beliefs every day because my ego really wants to hold on to this certainty.

But it doesn't make any sense to me anymore. And I have a lot of questions that need answers. And I can't find these answers. And it was always having to do with God's nature more so than the more surface level stuff in religion. So just fundamental ideas like I would start to have conversations with my Christian friends more and more where I would ask them questions because I'm, like, do you guys struggle with these questions and do you have answers, you know? And the answers I got back were increasingly shocking to me. So for example, anyone who's listening to this, who is, was, Christian has come out of this will know this conversation like the back of your hand. When you start

to, let's say, question a dogmatic Christian who believes that, yep, if you don't confess Jesus, you're going to burn in hell forever. When you start poking holes at that idea, the responses you get are flabbergasting. And one of them was like, for example, if you're a parent, would you, for any reason you can imagine, ever want to torture your child in a pit of fire for as a consequence? And people don't even let you finish the sentence, right? They're like, I would never do that. That's the most absurd notion.

And then I would say, so can you help me understand why you believe that God does that to his children? Even to a Buddhist meditator who would never kill a fly in his entire life, but to that child, he's going to burn in hell of eternity. Right. He's like, okay, start to ask these questions. Yeah, yeah. This is an important thing for us to nail down, right? Why would you think that God would do that?

And the answer is always, well, brother, God's ways are higher than our ways, the classic verse. And when you push back on that, they'll say, well, see, here's the problem is you're just making a God in your image. if you say, why wouldn't God forgive and rehabilitate people who do evil and why does he just need to just punish them with violence forever? Well, brother, I got to stop you because you're making a God in your own image, they'll always say. And the more I heard that, the more it started ringing in my mind of like, what are they really saying here? And at one point, I sort of snapped into this kind of frustrated understanding of what they were really saying, which is you're saying that it's human nature to be compassionate and, merciful and forgiving and to want justice and retribution. But it's God's nature to be violent and punitive and punish and use violence and all of that.

Because, you know, we would forgive, brother. I wouldn't punish my kids, but God's ways are higher than mine. So wait a minute. You're saying God's more violent than you? I highly doubt that. I bet it's the other way around. I bet your human ego nature is to punish, to get revenge, to get even. And I bet it's God's nature to forgive.

So if we have a God whose ways are vengeance and violence and punishment, then we have a God who's made in our image, right? That's the religious God. But if we have a God whose ways are mercy and compassion and forgiveness, then we have a God whose ways are higher than our ways. And that was the truth revealed to me in those conversations that at that point it was just a natural letting go of, oh, that's not true. So it's not that I don't believe it anymore. It's not true. That's not how God is. So beautiful. I love how you broke that down, man. So good. You have such a good understanding of like, I'd just be curious a little bit to hear how you have gotten to this place where one, you're so good. Obviously at articulating a lot of these. You have a really good understanding. A lot of podcasts. Yeah, a lot of podcasts. Obviously, you're on YouTube channel. I think people who are masterful teachers are individuals who can explain things in simple simplistic terms and allow it to be digested and applied for anybody to hear.

So just thanks. Kudos to you for doing the work, bro, and to see you on this path. And this whole podcast has been filled with a lot of, at least in my eyes, really potent nuggets for individuals to utilize in their life, to have a proper framework and understanding for why we're here, what we can do about it to end suffering. And to go on this path calling forth awakening and actually bringing it and harnessing the energy within our. ourselves. And so so much beautiful context provided. Is there anything else on your heart that you want to share on the podcast before we start to wrap up? Well, I like how you just said, calling forth awakening. That's a really beautiful way to put it. If I have to give a takeaway message to the audience after all these different topics we've covered, it could possibly be that,

actually, that your awakening is happening for you already. God's the all-do. We're all-do. God's in control. God's the one pulling the strings behind the curtain, right? Not you, not an ego, not a separate self. So although these kinds of conversations for some people might really like inspire them to want to get super serious about their spiritual walk and whatnot, or whether it inspires some guilt in someone for, I guess I haven't been spiritual enough. If this is the truth, you know, I need to try harder. Either way you go in response to these kinds of conversations. conversations, the medicine is the same, which is to realize, look, you're not in control of this journey. You really aren't. You are the divine being having a journey called Aaron, Andre, whoever. And so in that sense, you're just like a divine idea in God's mind. And to actualize the full reality, the full potential of your divine idea, you as a unique expression of source, we actually do that more by getting out of the way and allowing our awakening to happen. And that is, we could summarize that simply as be present, right?

Be present with your life. Stop existing so much in time and past and future. Just pay attention to what's unfolding right now to the way you're responding or reacting to what's unfolding. And that has all the information you need to know to ascend to fourth density in this life. No problem. Are you paying attention to your life experiences? And then are you responding to those relationships in a loving way with gratitude, with openheartedness, with surrender, with patience? Your life is trying to activate these attributes in you because you are those attributes, right? It's part of yourself, but it's asking you to express them in order to see them and to know them.

So to simplify all of this down, you don't need to remember the three beliefs. You don't need to remember the seven densities, the four bodies of consciousness and all this cool stuff. Yeah, they're helpful tools. You just need to be present and pay attention to the supreme guru, right, who's bringing you the lessons you need for your highest good. So beautiful, man. That just takes some of the seriousness and pressure off of our experience of being on the path and just to realize that our evolution is inevitable. Great way of saying it. It's going to happen. Yeah. So just enjoy the ride. It's great, man. Beautiful. So thank you so much. I just had a funny thought that Bob says in my head, your initials are

AA, right? You're like the spiritual AA, bro. Rock for that. I never got one of those in school, so I'll take it. Amazing, man. Before we wrap up, where can people find you? Aaron, I mean, your channel is incredible for people that want to dive deeper into any of the topics that we touched on today. That's an amazing resource and everything will be linked on in the description. Anything else you want to plug? Yeah, if any of that resonated with you, you can definitely find all of that content on YouTube.com slash Aaron Abke. Yeah. It's really the same everywhere. It's at Aaronabkey on Instagram, Aaronabkey.com. You can find all my programs and content there. Amazing. 4D University sounds like a lit program that you're walking people through. So it's a blast, man. I'm loving it.

Amazing. So good, bro. Thank you for coming on. I really appreciated it. Thank you, brother. Everybody that's been tuning in to this woke podcast. So woke, bro, word is out here. That's a dirty word these days. It is so dirty. But I mean, man, it's just so fulfilling for me. Like, I would do this for free. I am doing this for free. I don't have sponsors. But like this just lights me up so much.

I get lit from these conversations. I love it. Everybody that's been tuning in, I hope that you share that joy with me and the path of knowing ourselves. And if you've made it this far on the podcast, I would assume you do. So thank you for coming out this journey. If you had any insight that particularly resonated with you and upload a download, let us know.

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