Know Thyself - E62 - Robert Edward Grant: Decoding The Hermetic Principles & NEW Pyramid DISCOVERY

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

Polymath Robert Edward Grant explains the journey of knowing thyself through the 7 Hermetic Principles AND shares several new discoveries that he has made in relation to the pyramids & the Declara...tion of Independence.  The Hermetic Principles are seven foundational laws of our reality that can help us to understand and ascend in this lifetime. Grant takes us on a journey through those principles on this episode of Know Thyself, thoroughly explaining each one and how you can apply it's wisdom to your life today.  He also dives deep on the concept of enlightenment, his journey of balancing his masculine/feminine energy, and how together, we can create a New Earth.  Download André's FREE Book Recommendation List: https://www.knowthyself.one/books ___________ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro  2:15 What it Means To Know Thyself  4:50 Defining Enlightenment: From Fact Seeking to Facet  15:56 Why We Choose Our Challenges  25:03 Understanding the 7 Hermetic Principles & How Everything Connects 30:22 New Discovery: Pyramids Built on the Harmonic & Musical Grid 34:46 The Process of Awakening & Becoming One 42:41 Principle 1: Mentalism - The All is Mind 1:00:11 Principle 2: Correspondence - We are all connected 1:04:54 Principle 3: Vibration - Everything is in Motion 1:11:31 New Technology: The Tesla Tower & Wireless Electricity 1:19:02 Principle 4: Polarity 1:32:06 Principle 5: Rhythm & Life’s Cycles 1:38:51 Principle 6: Cause & Effect - Opposites Are Identical in Nature 1:47:11 New Discovery: Decoding the Declaration of Independence 2:09:14 7th Principle: Gender - Everything Has Masculine and Feminine Energy 2:22:28 Embodying the Feminine as a Man & Heartistry 2:26:02 Creating a New Earth 2:34:20 Conclusion ___________ Polymath Robert Edward Grant is a successful entrepreneur and bestselling author of Philomath who is fascinated with the interconnected strands that weave throughout sacred geometry, math, art, and music. Robert peers between the layers of our reality, finding clues that have been waiting for centuries to be found — in ancient artwork, inscriptions, and structures — that perfectly align with modern sciences and mystery school teachings handed down for hundreds of years. He’s a prolific inventor, artist, sculptor, music theorist, musician, and author of several research and patent publications spanning biology, DNA combinatorics, number theory, geometry, and physics. Website: https://robertedwardgrant.com Podcast: https://robertedwardgrant.com/podcast/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robertedwardgrant/ Watch CodeX on Gaia: https://www.gaia.com/lp/codex?utm_source=ambassador&utm_medium=regrant&utm_campaign=tr-codex-s1-english&utm_content=codexlp&utm_term=&ch=tr ___________ Know Thyself Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ Website: https://www.knowthyself.one Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKg Listen to all episodes on Audio:  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927 André Duqum Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/ Meraki Media https://merakimedia.com https://www.instagram.com/merakimedia/

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Part of the major reason we're here is to learn how to know who we are, to remember who we are. If there were any one period of time one would desire to be born in, is it not the age of revolution? When old and new stands side by side and amid of being compared, when the energies of all men are searched by fear and by hope, and when the historic glories of the old can be compensated by the rich possibilities of the new era. The seven hermiter principles, I believe, are there to help us to have context. It helps us unlearn the judgments that we've accumulated. And as we unlearn it, our life starts to transcend. I've not talked about this at all with anyone yet.
Starting point is 00:00:33 I've known everything about Egypt and how I missed this is kind of mind-blowing. It's almost like a Mandela effect in reverse. My feminine aspect came out through the expression of art. That's when my heart opened up in ways that I never thought could or that I thought would be acceptable. And it turned out to be the most beautiful aspects of my life now. It's the heart that will bring us into a new earth. Hello, beautiful beings. Welcome back to the Know They Self podcast for every single week. We get the opportunity and privilege to sit down with a brilliant mind and open heart to learn more about ourselves in the world around us at deeper and deeper levels. My guest today is an entrepreneur, an author, a polymath across many sciences and arts. And you guys are familiar with him because he's one of the first, the very first few repeat guests on the show. The first podcast that we did with him is one of the biggest episodes we've ever done, approaching a million views on YouTube. And just so amazing to see the out.
Starting point is 00:01:33 poor of love and impact from that episode. And I am excited to continue through the years of this journey of this podcast to dive deeper and deeper into conversation into the well of wisdom that is the man, Robert Edward Grant. Thank you so much, Andre. It's such a pleasure to be here with you again. Yeah, in the new studio this time. It's pretty awesome. It has the same vibe as the other one, but definitely more space. Yeah, that was the goal. More spaciousness. Keep the vibe. The vibe I like. The vibe was outstanding, and this is too. Yeah. Well, as you are in this conversation, I'm really looking forward to diving into Gnosticism, into the Kabbalion, into hermetic principles. And where I want to actually start with, which is on brand for this show, is what you feel it means to know thyself.
Starting point is 00:02:16 What do you make of this question? Who am I? You're starting off with an easy one. As we tend to do here. So it was Socrates, who was probably most famous for saying those words, right? Know thyself, probably the two most. difficult words to actually integrate into your life because I think part of the major reason we're here in this existence is to learn how to know who we are, to remember who we are. And then once you start to remember who you are, then so many other things open up. And then I believe that the
Starting point is 00:02:51 mission really starts to transform into one of love, at least in this dimensional frame, where we start to learn how to transcend beyond this dualistic plane, even time as we know it, and experience an entirely new existence. But knowing who we are is the prerequisite, I'd say, to being able to get to that higher level of understanding and knowing who we are means as well, knowing what the extent of you is. And what I mean by that is that in order to know who you are,
Starting point is 00:03:22 you must realize as well that everyone else is not separate from you. They're part of you. So it makes the task even bigger, right? because the way I see this is we kind of separate ourselves into this conscious mind and then this subconscious mind and the universe is mental, right? The whole universe is mind. And so it separates itself, it separates us into this consciousness that we know of as Robert and Andre. And then the rest of our subconscious mind is what's getting projected back to us in what we perceive in the world around us. So realizing that the extent of you goes
Starting point is 00:04:00 beyond just your conscious mind and extends all the way to your entire sphere around you of your entire existence is I think one of those key threshold knowledge things that actually takes you to the higher dimensions. It's that process of to truly know thyself. It's really a series of unknowing thyself. You know, it's like, yeah, deaths of who you thought you were and the grander awakening to a more encompassing version of you that you are and you can recognize that inherent interconnectedness, right? The egoic identity is super important to have a healthy self-esteem and to integrate that, right? But so many of us at times in our life are so identified with just that. And through the various different practices, just life experiences and gaining different
Starting point is 00:04:44 perspectives, we can then begin to realize who we are in that bigger context, which you're speaking to. And so on the journey of knowing thyself, it's really the process of realizing and remembering these different perspectives on the journey to what could be called enlightenment. And so I would love for you to share your perspective on that word because just like God, I feel like it's something that is used in so many different contexts and is very tainted with many different. On enlightenment. Yeah. Wow, you're really going for the. Let's start off strong.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Start off strong here. Enlightenment to me, I had this epiphany. I was going through kind of a difficult time a few weeks back. And every time we have a difficult moment or every time we get triggered by things, there's really an. opportunity within that to learn. And we start to recognize that the universe isn't happening to me. It's happening for me. So then I have to ask myself the question, if I am the creator of all that is that I'm experiencing and the rest of the world around me is just a reflection of what's inside of me that I don't know of, my unconscious aspects, then I have to ask myself the question, why did I choose
Starting point is 00:05:51 what I chose when I go through a difficult situation? Then that changed the context of everything. What am I here to learn? And as I was, was contemplating this existence because I was noticing the world around me was seemingly getting kind of strange on a number of levels. And we've probably all noticed this to a certain extent, right? And it's like, it's like, wow, how did everything get so bizarre? It just seems like, you know, now I was just watching this thing where, you know, there was a government whistleblower that was saying that she went to work for the Biden administration and went to work at border control and to help all these hinder and children. And then she realized that the U.S. government was actually
Starting point is 00:06:29 actually complicit in this sex trafficking scheme. And she was testifying on this to Congress. And I was just watching it on C-SPAN. You know, it's not supposed to be sort of a partisan thing. And she's actually a Democrat. So I was starting to think to myself, why is it that all these super strange fringe aspects are showing up in the world around me? And I realized that the reason it's still showing up in the world around me is because largely I've stopped judging the other things. and these are the things that are still left that I'm still judging. New judgments, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:02 So that's what happens. We attract everything we judge until we no longer judge what we attract. And so when the world starts to get strange, it's because it's like we're talking about the fringes now that we're not conscious that we're still judging in some way, shape, or form. So for me, my life has been a series of collecting of facts.
Starting point is 00:07:22 And I thought, you know, I'll collect this fact here and I'll take this fact of knowledge there, and I'll travel all around the world, and I'm going to understand as much as I can, collect as many facts as I can, and be like a guy that's going to be on Alex Trebek's, you know, you know, trivia-type show. And then I realized that what I had been collecting
Starting point is 00:07:41 was not actually facts, but more like facets. And I was always constantly searching for better discernment to be a better judge of the situation. Whatever the situation was, I prided myself on being able to make good discernment. decisions in business. I pride of myself on being able to make good decisions in relationships. I pride of myself on being pragmatic. I pride of myself on all these things that I decided my persona should be. And our persona just means our mask, right? That's the Latin word for mask. And so as I kind of looked at
Starting point is 00:08:13 all of those things and I started saying to myself, okay, maybe the search that I was on for seeking perfection and seeking truth and objective truth, there must always be some of you. There must always be some objective truth, maybe the only true ism or the only whole truth could be the sum of all possible subjective perspectives of that truth, because I realized that transition from fact to facet. And as I realized that, I started thinking, well, maybe that's the entire backdrop of this third and fourth dimensional experience. And that backdrop being one of, we are here because of scarcity, because of time, because of all the things, there's always a clock on what we're doing, right? And time is the ultimate duality. We have past and we have future, but we could never
Starting point is 00:09:05 really experience now. Right. So I started thinking to myself, well, what if the transcendence of duality is actually realizing that the sum of all possible perspectives is the only possible truth. And then you have to ask yourself the question, why would that be? Why are we here to experience all these different facets of a prism? I started thinking to myself, okay, well, if that's the case, then there must be some hidden story or some hidden gem right behind all of it. And I realize that that hidden gem behind all of it is love. It's love itself. Because the universe itself is a philomath. Phylamath simply means a lover of learning. The universe expands through our eyes. It expands through our unique perspectives. And the last podcast we did, you asked me at the
Starting point is 00:10:00 very end, another tough question, what's the most viable thing in the universe? And I said, you are. Because each of us has a unique perspective to add to the universe. So it allows the universe to observe itself through our unique eyes of confirmation bias, our unique eyes of perspective, our unique eyes of experiential learning. There will never be another Andre. There will never be another Robert Grant. It will never ever exist again and never has existed in the past, in the context of the past. And so when you consider that, then you start thinking that maybe this understanding that love is the basis of all of it, this is why love is the only thing that can transcend duality.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Love is the only thing that can transcend time. And as a result, I started thinking, maybe enlightenment is really just when the expression of love that flows from our hearts supersedes and exceeds the desire that we have for that one objective truth, that's when we've achieved enlightenment. And I fundamentally believe that.
Starting point is 00:11:10 I'm not saying that love supersedes truth. I'm saying that the only truth that exists is the love behind all of it. Mike drop moment. I would actually take your mic off and drop it for you if I could. Just because I fully resonate with my own personal journey of earlier on, identifying very much as a truth seeker as well, like looking for those facts. And even as we dive into different avenues of truth and perspectives
Starting point is 00:11:38 in this own very, you know, conversation podcast today, which I think will be helpful to understand how the laws of reality work and how within the realm of duality, we can understand certain principles that allow us to become a more skilled navigator of the whole game. That process of enlightenment could also be perceived as when you get to the place where there's no space within your reality that the light of your awareness can't touch. Yeah. It's when we've been able to go on that journey of releasing and letting go of so many falsehoods of who we thought we were, then we can actually use our awareness. awareness to have access to our inherent interconnected reality, which is connected to all truth.
Starting point is 00:12:16 So I just love that perspective that you gave of not just looking for the facts, but for the facets and that divinity has kind of separated itself into Andre-ness and Robertness, because in that process, we get to experience the different flavors of divinity expressing itself. It's so beautiful. I mean, I just posted this on my Instagram a couple days ago. because it hit me so profoundly. And I thought, okay, if I'm the one, would I be content just being the one? What am I going to do?
Starting point is 00:12:51 Right? It's like, then you come to this realization, they're like, well, maybe I would tear myself into just for the purpose of meeting you to experience myself in this new way, to experience you as a concept, this archetype of a young man who is hardworking and wants to help the world and wants to raise consciousness.
Starting point is 00:13:15 So then you manifest in my world. And you are a reflection of what's happening within me. The type of people that I'm associating with and meeting now and what's happening in my life now is it's irrevocable. It is absolutely shifted because of the shift that's happening inside me. And this is where being the change that Muhammad Gandhi talked about, is, you know, we can be the change that we wish to see in the world. And I fundamentally believe that the main reason we're here, once we've learned who we are, and we realize that we do not end and there's no death per se.
Starting point is 00:13:54 And we realize that my, you know, entity doesn't end with my persona. When we expand beyond that stage that's very materialistic and dualistic, then we start going into this zone of mentalism. And then mentalism, you realize, well, if the entire universe is mental, then what are the limitations? They're only mental. We are literally living in a prison of our own bounded belief systems. So the only obstacles that are real in this life are the ones we continue to persistently believe.
Starting point is 00:14:33 And then you realize that you can truly affect massive change by going within and becoming at one with who you are and accepting yourself. Because all the things you don't accept about yourself are the things that inevitably show up in the world around you. The more we can fall in love with ourselves, and I don't mean narcissism. Narcissism is actually a step. And a lot of people get upset when I say this because they don't understand what I really mean. I've often said that narcissism is, is, is, really kind of an important step in the awakening process. And people are like, how does that work? Narcissist can't feel empathy and all this. But that's kind of the point, right? That at a certain
Starting point is 00:15:17 stage, the narcissist wakes up and realize this isn't working for me anymore. And that is often, very often the doorway to which true awakening begins. And I don't mean that, you know, there are sometimes people that would, you know, say that they're awakened or they might refer to themselves as woke. If they still harbor judgments against themselves or others harshly, then they're not really awakened, right? True awaken beingness is going to always come along with love and non-judgment. And that's how you'll know. I was just having this conversation actually last night with my mom and sister who are in town. And we're just feeling, to whatever people believe, like the possibility of why my sister and I chose the parents that we did,
Starting point is 00:16:07 if we chose them. You're pretty lucky, by the way. I just got to meet your mom, so I didn't meet your sister yet, so. I am very lucky. Yeah, I'm lucky indeed. But just like thinking from a meta perspective or like the macro view of why my soul, if it did, choose the parents that it did with certain challenges, growing up in childhood, with father, with mother, and realizing the gifts that came on the other side of it of my reverend.
Starting point is 00:16:31 and capacity to hold for the feminine. And my sister's capacity for empathy, you know, and it's because of those challenging moments that we kind of face, you know, as a family. And so it kind of gives it a different perspective when you look at, when people feel and are listening to this podcast of the challenges, the difficult things, the releasing, that I'm going through in my reality,
Starting point is 00:16:53 why is it showing up? And it's like, how else would you cultivate patients if you're not tested, if you're not shown and given opportunities, where you normally would be impatient. How are you going to really develop strength if you're not given resistance? And so I would love for us to just talk about
Starting point is 00:17:10 how we kind of choose our challenges in many ways for us to be able to embody the actual quality that we desire. So I'll give you a metaphor in a different way to look at this that actually comes back being easier, I think, to understand, I think, what we actually have gone through. So I've been working on this game. one of my companies has a game called Maya.
Starting point is 00:17:35 And this Maya game is an augmented reality game. And so it's very cool because it's like you're always on a national treasure of vision quest. I mean, of course, that's the kind of game I'm going to make, right? Please. And so I got to play with, and Blue got to play with it too. I got to play with it in the parking lot. So you have to have this room that's relatively large.
Starting point is 00:17:55 And so it was a pretty large space we wanted to be able to play in. So we went out into our parking lot. my office. And the way it works is it can be on an iPhone or it can be on these glasses that we have that are augmented reality glasses. It looks just like normal glasses. And as soon as you put on the glasses, you can basically dial in on your iPhone a portal to open. Right. And so a portal will open and you'll be in the middle of the parking lot and there'll be cars all around and then all of a sudden you'll see a door as a portal into a different world. And you can walk into that. And you can walk into that world. And it looks like you're in that world. Like it literally feels like you're in that world.
Starting point is 00:18:35 And the whole point of the game is to learn patterns, to learn synchronicities, to through geometric pattern and synchronicity, you can make these choices in the game to up level. And as you do, you're actually doing things to actually bring and raise your own consciousness. Kind of a cool concept, right? I wonder where you got that one from. And you could go anywhere in the world. like you go to sacred sites or whatever. Now imagine the way this game works is that you get to choose before you come into this realm of the game
Starting point is 00:19:09 what your zodiac is. You even get to choose your gene keys. You even get to choose your parents. You get to choose the friends that you have and even the people that are going to betray you. Because the most important things you're choosing are the list of things you want to learn and expand through.
Starting point is 00:19:27 And just as you said, a weightlifter needs to tear the muscle to strengthen the muscle. We have to do that as well. You're not going to pick the easiest path. You're not going to pick, if you're a mountain climber, you're not going to pick the hill behind your house to climb. You're going to want to go after Everest eventually. You're going to want to go after Kilimanjaro. You might even want to take on El Capitan. When you start thinking in that context, then you realize, I'm not going to put the easiest things in my path.
Starting point is 00:19:55 because it's like when I went to college, I didn't really study in college, to be honest. I did well in school, but I didn't really study in college. When I went to graduate school, I studied because I was like, who am I kidding? Who am I going to hurt by not studying? Only me. I'm spending all this money to be at this important time in my life to be in grad school. I might as well like study my butt off and really feel like I accomplished something. And then I got real value out of it.
Starting point is 00:20:21 I think it's exactly the same thing for this here. So if we choose on our menu of things to learn, right? And this will be the exact same in this game as well. The reason why we're making the game is a metaphor so that people could see that's exactly what they've done already. It's life, right? And it's the illusion of Maya. So in effect, you could choose, I want to learn forgiveness. How do I learn forgiveness?
Starting point is 00:20:43 Well, that means I need some people to betray me somehow some way or hurt me or damage me. And that's a fundamental aspect. So maybe some of my closest friends on this other side of this wall dimensionally would be the ones to volunteer to do that. It changes the context of everything. You know, when we go to see the play Phantom of the Opera, have you seen Phantom of the Opera? It's great.
Starting point is 00:21:08 It's fantastic. But, you know, the Phantom is kind of this villain that you fall in love with. That's the whole story of it. He's wearing a mask that's the shape of Yin Yang. If you look at it, most people wouldn't notice it was a Ying Yang shake, but it is a yinyang Shay. And he's this villain that kills people during the plays and everything, but you fall in love with him in a way,
Starting point is 00:21:30 and you pity him and you have empathy for him. And at the end, he gets the biggest applause. Everybody gives him the standing ovation. We clap for the villain because he was just playing a part. He was playing a role. It was a necessary part in order for the other characters to also expand. and the overall universe gets to benefit from all of our different perspectives on things and expand at the speed of light just as our perception is probably the speed of that light
Starting point is 00:22:00 or speed of perception. So maybe that's why the universe expands in the first place. So when we start thinking about it in that context, then we can start thinking, okay, if I need to learn forgiveness, then what am I going to do? I will continue to experience things that will be hurting me, but I will be. have to forgive until I no longer judge the very act that was aggrieving me. Because that's the only way that you can truly learn a precept. If you get to the stage where you're not even judging the act that you would normally have to provide forgiveness for, then you have transmuted it.
Starting point is 00:22:42 And that's a much higher level of transcendence and its realization of love. It's no longer being triggered even by the act of it. So this is very buddistic, and I know you studied a lot of this, but in Taoist. But fundamentally, that's what I've seen. If I'm here to learn unconditional love, then I will be continually, I'll experience a barrage of conditional love until I no longer judge negatively the act of conditional love. Which is a process. And I'm sure a lot of people, if they're listening to this and maybe they're in the wound of a trigger right now, or you look at like horrendous manifestations of people being abused, it's like, how could that be set up by a higher design?
Starting point is 00:23:25 You know, it feels on this human level, it's like these tragedies are just heart-wrenching, you know? They are. And I don't mean to take away from that. No, no, not at all. There are crimes. And it's like, you know, love the sinner but abhor the sin type of thing. So I'm not saying to change your context and don't just sit back and do nothing.
Starting point is 00:23:43 But what I am saying is that change your own perception. If you really want to live a empowered life. Empowered life, start to change your perception of what things are happening to you. And you will see a meaningful change in your world. Your manifestation will change. The experiences that you have, the types of challenges you continue to face will also evolve and change. The people that come into your life, the types of people that come into your life will all dramatically change. Every wise leader, teacher that I've studied has come to this realization as well.
Starting point is 00:24:17 And so for everybody that's listening to this is sometimes it takes time and it's a process of actually seeing how you can connect those dots moving backwards. Like actually I could see how this led to that and me awakening to this and how that shifted how I came into this relationship. And it all informs one another. And you can kind of see how, and this kind of goes into the first principle of mentalism as we kind of dive into the hermetic truths here of. how there is spirit within everything and within everything there is spirit that the universe is
Starting point is 00:24:48 mental. And I want us to dive into that now because it kind of informs how there's this more fundamental substrate in which everything is originating from that is actually linked. And so I'm really looking forward to diving into the seven hermetic principles here because I know as you sit with them, as you contemplate them, they can be incredible tools to be a more empowered skilled navigator in the sea of life. But before we do that, I would just love for you to share your thoughts on Hermes Trismogistus in the origination of the hermetic principles because I think it's an important context. So this is an area that I felt like when I first started to, I think the first time I heard
Starting point is 00:25:27 about even a concept of Hermes was probably when I was seven or eight years old. Dang, that's early. Yeah, I was early. And I was fascinated because I was really into the Greek gods for some reason. and you know carl young talks a lot about archetypes especially in the red book and in particular like these concepts that we have of the gods the pantheons right and so we have the samarian pantheon we have that had seven gods you have the egyptian pantheon had nine gods and and then you have the greek pantheon that has 12 gods and you have the romans that then basically took the same one just changed
Starting point is 00:26:02 their names and and so hermes is is in the greek pantheon under the name of hermes and but he also has many other names, right? Another name for Hermes would be in the Egyptian pantheon of Thoth. And he's a messenger god. He also has another name in several other, you could say Enki, right, is another relationship as well. And I think that what we think of as Hermes is almost like an incarnation, an energy, a vibration, that tends to extend through at pivotal points in time throughout our cycle of time, right?
Starting point is 00:26:45 And I don't really believe that, you know, what we think of as linear time truly is linear time. I believe that time loops on itself like a toroid. And that what we think of is our distant, distant past is actually our distant, distant future. So when we hear stories about Lemuria and we hear stories about Atlantis, I believe that's actually part of our future coming up
Starting point is 00:27:06 It's a deep rabbit hole. We can go down. That's a deep rabbit hole. It's a very, very deep rabbit hole. But I'm not just saying this without any sort of physics backing behind this also. And that took me a long time to come to that way of thinking as well, because that was kind of a mind blower, right? Obviously.
Starting point is 00:27:24 When we take a step back and we say, okay, we thought for a long time the Earth is flat. And then Pythagoras came and said, no, it's not. So he's probably one of the first, you know, about, you're talking about 600 BC. So around the time of what we would think of as Buddha, right, the same time as when Pythagoras lived. So he figured out that there was a seven-degree arc on the earth. And he even figured out that that meant that the earth would have a circumference of about 40,000 kilometers. And what we would, it wasn't in their measurement system, but it was the same length as 40,000 kilometers. So he figured that out.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Now, what if our lifetime is just too short if space and time are irrevocably tied together? What if our lifetime is just too short to see the arc of time? Just like our distance of being able to view, unless you're very, very high up in the sky, is too limited to be able to see the arc of the earth. Powerful, yeah. Right. So we wouldn't even see then if our full lifetime was only one degree of a 25,920-year cycle. You wouldn't be able to notice that.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Yeah. Right? That's kind of the point. So it's a different way of thinking. That's for sure. However, when you look through time at pivotal moments, in history. There's always been, you know, in the Italian Renaissance, and the European resonance, it started because of a Renaissance related to Hermes. It started because the Hermetic
Starting point is 00:28:48 texts were released in 1451 from the Vatican. And they got all over Europe, thousands of hermetic texts. And it started waking up the people. There's now, right now, a massive revival going on around hermeticism. More and more people are reading Kaibalian. You have a copy of it right there. more more people are starting to understand these precepts of timeless wisdom. And the difference also about Hermes was that he wasn't supposed to have started out as a God per se. He was a man. And one of the incarnations that is believed to have also been related to Hermes is Enoch, which we can learn about in the Bible.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Way back. Way back, right? So Enoch was a man who learned how to transcend this dimension. and he learned how to raise his vibrations so much that the entire city that he lived with were all of them were basically translated. They were taken to another vibration. And this is something that's very directly related.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Another person that was directly related to Hermes-Metreuth was also Melchizadegh. So Melchizedek was the high priest or the king priest that Abraham paid tithes and offerings to in the Bible. And a lot of the Kabbalistic tradition believes as well that Abraham learned a lot of his wisdom from Melchizek and therefore from Thoth Hermes. Another name is Tehuti. So we have the Teotihuacan Plateau. It's actually the Tehuti Wakan Plateau. And what I've just recently discovered is that all, I'm giving a presentation on this in a few weeks,
Starting point is 00:30:34 at Gaia at their ancient civilization conference, that all of the pyramids around the world were built on the exact same, and they're pre-deluvian, so pre-flood pyramids. They're all built on the exact same harmonic grid of information that was known around the world. And it's all musical.
Starting point is 00:30:54 And I've just confirmed this as of this last weekend, and I'm very excited to present this because it's unequivocal proof that these disparate cultures from around the globe, Mexico, Latin America, all the way of Peru, et cetera, all the way to the Egypt, Giza Plateau, as well as to other pyramids that are not even in Giza, inclusive of the Chinese pyramids, and pyramids around the globe are all on the same grid. So there was this connection and that thread is Hermes.
Starting point is 00:31:28 And I would say that, you know, one of the things that I think people have a hard time sometimes wrapping their brains around related to Thoth. He was known as a god of weights and measures. So there had to be some constants in this matrix simulation game. One of those constants is actually our units of measure. We think they're arbitrary. They're not at all arbitrary. They're all related to mathematical constants that have been around since the very, very beginning. Even the use of the mile, this is why the harmonic numbers of the mile measurements give us at 864. 4,000 mile diameter for the sun and a 2,160 mile diameter, right, for the moon. That allows us to have this perfect eclipse because it's 400 times the size of the moon is what we
Starting point is 00:32:18 have for the sun's diameter. And the distance between the two is 400 times greater from Earth than we are from the moon. So all of these aspect ratios are all harmonics. And they're all based on three to the third power, which is 27, times two to the end. and all of those numbers, those three and two numbers, all give us all the harmonic numbers that populate all of our scales of music and everything. I always found 108, very interesting as well.
Starting point is 00:32:42 And 108 is one of them, right? So 432 would be 3 to the 3rd power, and then you're going to basically multiply that, and so it ends up, you know, 2 to the 5th power. You get 432. So then you'd basically take that down to the 2 to the 3rd power, yet and then you're going to be at 108. So it basically gives you this same thing because you've got 27 doubles to 54, 54 doubles to 108, 108 doubles to 216.
Starting point is 00:33:11 216, doubles to 432 and 432 doubles to 864. And then you just add one to the front of the 864 and you've got the speed of light. 1.864 times 10 to the fifth power in miles is the speed of light per second. So this is this beautiful matrix that is hidden in plain sight, literally hidden in plain sight. If you ever take a step back and look at our solar system, the colors of the planets of the solar system, if you take the consideration that the Earth is the only one that's got water on its surface like it does, you take the water off what color would Earth be. It would be the color of dirt.
Starting point is 00:33:47 In some places it's going to be more sandy color. In other places, it's going to be more brownish red, right? Well, if you took just the Earth without water on it and then compared it against all the other planets in the solar system, you would have Roy G. Biv. Perfectly. It's a rainbow. All the planets in the solar system with Jupiter right in the center being kind of a yellowish, whitish color, and then you've got a green color for Saturn. And then what a coincidence. And then you've got Uranus, which is a blue and then indigo kind of color, right, for, um, for Neptune, wait a minute, it's the same colors of the rainbow. Such a trip. Such a trip, right? It's like one little shift like that. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, it's all the matrix of mind.
Starting point is 00:34:36 And then when you realize it's all a matrix of mind, then you can really comport and put all these pieces together to understand what is it that you, the universal one, is trying to learn in your incarnation so that you can come back into that knowledge. You know, the one separates itself into the many, as Emily Fletcher says, simply for the joy of becoming one again. And I think we go through the series of softenings, as Richard Rudd says, right, where we can start to figure out how to turn our pain into purpose. You know, and I think this is a really important aspect of this, too, because you touched on it earlier, we all are tempted
Starting point is 00:35:20 to believe that the world should look the way we think it should look. Yeah. What a surprise. Yeah. Right? I think the world should be, everyone should be interested in math, right?
Starting point is 00:35:32 Everyone should love geometry. Everyone should, oh, what a surprise. Wait, wait, that's just my paradigm. Okay, that's my facet. I understand now, I've grown up a little bit. I understand that not everybody sees the world like I do. In fact, when I was younger, I used to think,
Starting point is 00:35:45 everybody had to see the world like I do because I see it logically. Right. Right. And then I realized, wait, nobody sees the world like I do. And what's wrong with me? I need to change myself to be more like other people. Or the alternative. I need to change everyone else.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Or I need to change everyone else. Right. I need to change everyone else to be like me. Right. And so the same is true with our judgments. You know, if you were a mountain climber, and let's say you decided to climb L-CAP and you fell. I was there once in idle wild.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Climbing the side of the mountain is like one of the craziest things I've ever done in my life. And you know, you're up 2,000 feet. It's like, you know, if you fall at 50 feet or you fall at 2,000 feet, you're still just dead. It's like it doesn't matter, right? Yeah, just the radius of the splatter changes. That's right. But somehow when you're up there on the side of the mountain and you see a helicopter show up because somebody fell, that scares the bejeses out of you. I could tell you.
Starting point is 00:36:44 I was like all of a sudden shaking on that side. And I'm like, I don't want to fall. I don't want to fall. And you see these little pins that are holding you in the side up there. You're like, how could this really be the thing that's holding me up here? Like seriously, I was like scared shitless. But let's say you fell. You were going to take the helicopter ride.
Starting point is 00:37:02 And maybe the radius of splat was small or maybe it was large, whatever. But you fell. I could judge you and say, why the hell would this guy climb with no ropes? That's just stupid. that's my perspective. How many other things can we apply that line of thinking to? It's your choice what you experienced ultimately. It's very, you know, Helen Keller said that the only thing worse than blindness is have sight without vision.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Bar is Helen Keller. So good. And she's amazing, right? She's amazing. This woman was, you know, completely paralyzed. She was deaf. and she was blind. And yet she impacted tens of millions of people's lives as an inspiration to this day.
Starting point is 00:37:56 And we could sit there and say, and she could have sat there and said, woe is me, I'm a victim. Look at all this. I mean, look what happened to me. And yet she didn't. She was empowered. And her power then extended forth from her gratitude for still having the existence. that she probably at some stage realized
Starting point is 00:38:19 that she had a role in that decision process for what she experienced. Now, I could judge and say, why would she ever have chosen that? That just happened to her. But that's probably a little pompous and arrogant of me to say that what I have chosen for my life
Starting point is 00:38:35 should be what other people choose for theirs. And this is the narcissism of which I speak. Because narcissism is not only extending to your own self-loathing, it's also applying a standard of what everyone else should be doing. And that is the doorway. Once we finally wake up to that,
Starting point is 00:38:53 then we can start to actually become truly awakened. And then two things happen. I think one of the first things that happens is people start hating themselves. So the narcissist who wakes up is like the classic case. You're going through these steps of alchemy, which starts off with nigredo, which you start to be confronted by your shadow. And then you get in this next stage called albedo,
Starting point is 00:39:14 which is the whitening. It's represented by a. swan, a white swan. And this is usually a stage people think they're enlightened, right? And so they're like, I've made it. I'm enlightened now, right? And they're still very judgmental. They just don't necessarily realize it. They're not fully aware of it. And so then they go through that stage and then they get kind of crushed again, right? That's usually what happens. You get like a life crisis. And then you go into citranitas and you start having the eyes of the peacocks. When a peacock spreads its feathers, it all has eyes all over it, right? That's a representation of you.
Starting point is 00:39:46 starting to gain from many different facets of perspective. And then you go into the Rubedo, which represents the marriage of the Red King and the White Queen, which comes into the Twin Flame dynamic, which is happy to talk about that anytime as well. And then also, you then go into the Phoenix stage. That's the rising stage. It's when the snake, this abhorred aspect of yourself,
Starting point is 00:40:10 starts to rise and resurrect and become an enlightened avatar. And these are the steps of alchemy. And so basically what happens often is people get in this stage where they start to, after they've gone through albedo and then they get smacked down again in life and right before they get their full awakening of their different eyes. And that process continues. It's not like it's all step by step. Some of these different steps can happen at different points.
Starting point is 00:40:36 It depends on how you chose it in your menu of life. But basically what happens is often people will start to abhor their, their personas. So it becomes kind of an opposite of narcissists. So I don't want to be a narcissist anymore. So I'm going to hate my entire self, right? It's not just the parts of me that I don't want to project. I'm going to hate my entire self.
Starting point is 00:40:56 And I'm going to start referring to myself as a different name. I'm going to change my name. You know, I'm not going to be Robert Grant anymore. I'm going to be one divine or I'm going to be something else, right? And there's like, how many one divines can there be? So point being that the ultimate realization is when you realize, that your persona existed for a reason, to expand consciousness,
Starting point is 00:41:20 that your eyes of perception are there for a beautiful reason to serve the universe and its growth and expansion, but also because you wanted to learn certain aspects. So it's this beautiful convergence of learning on both sides. And that's how the universe tears itself into two or the one tears itself into the many. for that joy and realization of and remembrance of who it is and then the reconvergence back together again.
Starting point is 00:41:49 So we don't have to not like who we become. In fact, we start to fall in love with who become and we fall in love with everybody else too. And we fall in love with the existence around us. This earth is not an escape room to be escaped, I believe. I believe the only way to transcend this experience of duality is to fall in love with it just as it is. So powerful. I love the beautiful avenues in which you just explored.
Starting point is 00:42:17 I say that we don't need just self-love, but to realize that our self is love. To go actually beyond identity and to expand it to something that's way more all-encompassing. Because we can continue diving into so many of these amazing tangents and you brought up things that I do want to bring up later on, but to get us on track here with the first principle of mentalism and to realize, that underneath, like we spoke to, every physical manifestation, there is a living, infinite mind within all of reality.
Starting point is 00:42:48 How do you describe what the principle of mentalism is? The all is mind. The universe is mental. That's straight out of Kaibelian. And I listened to it on the way over here again in my car. I've listened to it literally hundreds of times.
Starting point is 00:43:05 And I recommend anyone, you know, you can't listen to that or read it without being impacted somehow. It's so provocative and I've learned new things every single time. I can't think of a single time. That and hermetica as well as Emerald tablets. Yeah, the Doriel. Yeah, the Dorial translation.
Starting point is 00:43:27 And a lot of people like to poo-poo that because they say, oh, that was just a channeling. Well, yeah, but it was a channeling. That's the thing. And people that know channelings, it just resonates for them. And if it doesn't resonate for you, then it's not for you. don't worry about it. Right?
Starting point is 00:43:40 I really don't care as much where the source of something is but the profundity of it. Like what is it impact? What's it saying? Exactly. It's like, don't sit here and say, well, people get so stuck.
Starting point is 00:43:50 It's like, well, that wasn't the original translation of the Emerald Tabas. Well, that was lost, okay? That's what they did, right? That's what this whole thing was about. So the living mind, it's like, life is intelligent. We all know that.
Starting point is 00:44:03 So there is this living intelligence beneath all matter. Yeah, it's in Star Wars. It's like the Midoclorians, right? And that's where the first concept of it was introduced, you know, and the whole concept of the Jedi, right, which is a very Egyptian concept, right? There's a new pyramid that I'm going to be exploring that is about 2.4 miles from the Giza Plateau. But it sits 90 meters higher in elevation. So it's 300 feet higher in elevation than the Giza Plateau is.
Starting point is 00:44:32 It looks down on the Giza Plateau, and there's two pyramids there. And one of them, I estimate, based on a 56-degree level, angle should have been 259 feet tall. That means it would actually stand higher than the Great Pyramid of 481 feet. It would be at 560 feet. You couldn't miss it. Maybe this and that other pyramid are the reason why there were maps from 1457 that actually show five pyramids. That's interesting. Right. So, okay, it's also matching this harmonic profile that I mentioned earlier. So when you think about it from the perspective of the universe is mind, then that means that literally all bets are off. The only limitations are the ones you believe. So the most recent Nobel Prize
Starting point is 00:45:22 this year was given basically stating that local realism is false. So that means if you're not observing something, it doesn't have a position. If it doesn't have a position, if it doesn't have a position, it means it doesn't exist. It's a wave of potential until you observe it. Wait a minute. So now the mainstream physicists are acknowledging this concept of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in a new way that is being accepted? And the answer to that is yes. If you haven't noticed, physics right now is kind of falling apart. It's kind of falling apart. The reason it's falling apart is because string theory is they still have this whole problem with vacuum catastrophe. They've got all these big words that they like to use for this. But I just
Starting point is 00:46:10 watched this, you know, kind of debate that was with Eric Weinstein and Brian Green, who's one of the co-authors of string theory. And I thought it was really fascinating. They had Roger Penrose there as well. And Roger and Eric were both kind of detractors of the string theory concept, which is the prevailing thought right now. But now that the Nobel Prize just went to quantum entanglement, all of it needs to be rethought. Our very concept of what we call Minkowski space time and physics now has to be probably entirely revised. So if that's true, and physics, and applied physics really just are offshoots from mathematics, applied mathematics, geometry, and you've got physics then, and its applied form becomes chemistry. Applied chemistry becomes
Starting point is 00:47:05 biology, applied biology becomes psychology. Applied psychology becomes sociology. Applied sociology becomes philosophy. And applied philosophy becomes mathematics again. It's the same cycle. Right. Now, when we start thinking about that, that means that if the fundamental tenet of materialism itself is now proven false, then all of those other scientific disciplines that were just cascading disciplines off of this abstract theory of mathematics and philosophy now also must be revised. So that means cellular biology, everything we understood it. There's no biology without physics at its underlying core. So all of it now needs to be revised. So just as you said earlier on in the conversation, we're now at a stage where humanity needs to unlearn what we have learned.
Starting point is 00:47:58 We've spent the last few thousand years really focused on. becoming expert in fact, materiality, and judgment. Now, those three things need to be revised to facet, mentalism, and love and acceptance. That's the new paradigm that we're going into right now. So mentalism means that literally what you're thinking will manifest. It's not only if you conceive it, you can achieve it. It's if you conceive it, it will be achieved. It's a function of time and your own belief system.
Starting point is 00:48:37 So how much inertia or how much resistance, impedance are you going to put against the positive dreams and aspirations that you have that are in line with your higher self and what you've chosen for your life plan? and how much are you actually motivated, you know, to believe and understand that nothing is, everything's just an extension of you. Nothing is separate from you. And once you understand that, then you can start using that as a tool in every aspect of your life. So what we're talking about here is not some sort of esoteric kind of thing that doesn't matter in your day-to-day life. I'm talking brass tacks here.
Starting point is 00:49:19 These are principles also that I have lived in my career, my entire life. And I can give countless examples of this. And I can tell you right now, one of the first things you can do to raise your vibration is just to feel gratitude for your current state. So if gratitude is the antidote to fear, right, then love and acceptance is the antidote to that judgment. and I also mean for the self-limiting judgment. So we all get stuck. I get asked all the time.
Starting point is 00:49:52 If you give one message to the world, what would it be? And I would say, stop with the negative self-narratives. Stop with the self-limiting belief systems. It's not necessary. Just remember who you are and why you're here. Man, so beautiful. I just really love your understanding. And I think what's so valuable about being an individual
Starting point is 00:50:16 is a polymath and has such a depth of understanding across so many fields is that you can integrate and you can synthesize such a beautiful understanding across those fields to show how they they're all correlated on our own path of awakening the cabalian starts with a statement that the lips of wisdom are closed except to the ears of understanding yeah the lips of wisdom are sealed except to the ears of understanding and that's a powerful statement what did you feel when you first read that Well, there's a couple things. One was actually the possible futility of sharing wisdom like this to people who are not ready to hear it and how it actually can be detrimental for those that don't apply knowledge.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Very true. It can be vain. It talks about that in the book as well. And that there's that saying when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. And also the second part of it most people don't talk about is when the student is really ready, the teacher will disappear. And the student can actually embody it. for me it's like when you are ready to actually be exposed to the proper wisdom, when you find that place within yourself that we spoke to, and for me, my own personal practice of
Starting point is 00:51:25 stillness, affine the quiet within, then it's like the universe and a cosmic game starts to reveal these, the next level, these hidden messages, the possibility of the next iteration of who I can be. And so that's kind of what resonates with me. It also goes into the second principle of correspondence, which I think can be a really powerful tool here and key here to see that every physical manifestation has its non-physical counterpart. That you look at a tree, for example, and you see the branches just as above so below, the roots are mirrored to that beneath the surface. And I think that can be a powerful catalyst into seeing and to realizing the interconnected
Starting point is 00:52:06 and mirroring effect that we have within all phenomena of life. you start seeing it in everything in nature too. Right? And, you know, it's funny because in physics, again, and I'm not trying to rail in physics today. But although they are facing an existential crisis on materialism, I think that one of the first things I did was starting to see the patterns. And pattern recognitions are fundamentally critical aspect of the awakening journey.
Starting point is 00:52:37 Being able to see and interpolate and, perceive things. You know, I did this post on Instagram where it shows this, this bird, this little starlit bird that's really starling. So it's a beautiful bird. It's got like incredible colors on it that are iridescent colors. But to our eyes of vision, it just looks like a black bird. But to other birds that has an expanded range in the ultraviolet spectrum, to be able to see different wavelengths of light, right? There'd be some of the shorter wavelengths of light, they see this incredibly colorful bird. Now, we will see it kind of at the side or when light hits it the right way and we'll see,
Starting point is 00:53:17 whoa, there's like a whole other color thing there going on, right? And it's kind of like what we see with dragonflies, that iridescent colors, kind of like mushroom colors, right? If you know what I mean? And so what I, the reason I'd like to post that one is because imagine if we cannot see all these colors on the super colorful bird because we have limited. scope of what our eyes are able to perceive in the ultraviolet spectrum, how many other things are we missing?
Starting point is 00:53:46 We're only picking up a tiny, tiny part of the entire electromagnetic spectrum. There's one octave that we can have visible light. You could think of the entire electromagnetic spectrum could start with your thoughts, right, which are going to be kind of in the delta, theta, brainwave states, right, that are kind of helping to manage all of your autonomic bodily responses. You know, we have trillions of operations going on inside our body moment by moment. Every cell in your body dies every seven years. At least, many die much, much faster than that. So that means you're an entirely new person every seven years. There's not a cell in your body that's the same one that it was seven years ago.
Starting point is 00:54:28 So we're totally made anew every seven years. So that's why you could see cycles of seven years in your life. That's why marriages tend to break up at seven years. This is what happens. People become new people. And we're all evolving and changing, right? Which goes to vibration. Everything's always in movement and motion. So when you start to realize that we're in this spectrum,
Starting point is 00:54:51 and if we just take this, and the first sound that we can hear is about 27 hertz, and that's what Pythagoras said. He's like, he figured out using string that if I pluck this string and it has this particular length, then it will give me a 27 hertz vibration. How could he count the number of hertz in that? It's kind of crazy, right?
Starting point is 00:55:11 But he nailed it right on. And then he used 432 as his sort of tuning standard as well. So you've got 27 and then you just double it to get to the next octave, 54, the next octave is 108, just as you said. And these are those harmonic numbers. Well, if we keep doing that, 55 octaves. And why 55? because 55 is a G-5th key on a piano is the G-note, right?
Starting point is 00:55:36 It's the golden ratio. It's the Fibonacci number. So Fibonacci numbers, so 21 is a Fibonacci number. 34 is a Fibonacci number. 55 is one. 89 is another. The reason why we have 88 keys on a piano keyboard is because the 89th begins the first next octave or meta-octave up.
Starting point is 00:55:54 So when we start thinking of this as a gigantic piano keyboard, and what we perceive in light is literally the space of only one note on that keyboard, the G note of the 55th octave. Everything else that's going on around us is happening largely unbeknownst to us. Now, we can hear the spectrum of sound up to about 20,000 hertz. Dogs can hear above 20,000 hertz. Most people can't hear above 20,000 hertz. And especially if you've been to loud concerts or Burning Man or something like that,
Starting point is 00:56:26 you probably aren't going to hear it 20,000 hertz. But then once you go above that, you're starting to get in these other realms like ultrasonic, right, microwave, right, radio frequency, all these different frequencies. You just get up into the terrahertz segment, octave, that's going to give you light. And then beyond that, there's going to be cosmic rays, right, and x-rays, right? Gamma rays, as we call them. That's the full spectrum. So it's like a full piano keyboard just for every one of our experiences.
Starting point is 00:56:55 and we have different senses that are intended for us to be able to perceive. It's like our AR headset or our VR headset gives us the ability to perceive these in different ways. There are certain microwave frequencies that we can smell, right? And that's what we call aroma. These are all just different frequencies just manifesting in different ways. So now you can see how the entire universe truly is mental. Because what we're taking in, the light that I'm seeing, your face that I'm looking, at right now. These are not the photons that I'm actually looking at. The way that it works is the
Starting point is 00:57:31 image in my eye is actually flipped upside down. So then my brain is correcting for it to be flipped right side up. The photons that I'm perceiving are because I'm getting the sense of photons that are hitting my retinal receptors, right? Going in and I'm focusing in, right, because I've got a focal point that happens to be right in the perfect spot of my retina for me to see you clearly. But then it's sending that information through the optic nerve, which connect to the back of my eye, and then it crisscrosses right at the pituitary gland in a place called the optic chiasm, the kai. And then the right eye is connected to the left brain, and the left eye is connected to the right brain, and they connect back at the occipital lobe. So the place where I'm actually perceiving all this light is in this really
Starting point is 00:58:17 dark spot in the back of my head. We're in a game. To see the physical manifestation of how the operation works and to see that human experience is completely 100% generated from within, the reality and display of my experience is self-created within myself. And when you have that... I like I use the word display. Yeah. Because that's what it is. Yeah, it is a display.
Starting point is 00:58:40 I very much felt that when I did my darkness retreat and your display of experience turns off is complete dark for six days. And then you come back on and it's like the movie turns back on. You're like, whoa, there's like... So I'm going to do a podcast with you and we're going to talk about that. I'm happy to. For sure. Love to. It's a fascinating experience. So starting to get some inclination into the perception of how limited our perception is. It's a small, tiny little bandwidth and a much grander possibility of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Starting point is 00:59:10 And we can fill in all the gaps, by the way. And the pineal gland does that. So this is also kind of where I want to go next with the law of correspondence, right? By studying the known, by paying closer attention to the known, you can actually gain better awareness as to how the unknown is operating, right? By studying the root, you can know the fruit. I like that. By studying the root, you can know the fruit. And, you know, it's this realizing that the entire universe is on this breathing cycle. Right.
Starting point is 00:59:36 It's like we think that the universe started with a big bang, right? I don't know if you saw, again, more of the existential crisis. Pushed out, right? Joe Rogan. Yeah, Joe Rogan just posted this thing. I had already read it. It was, I think it was popular mechanics or it was a scientific American, basically said, oh, now they think that the physicist's,
Starting point is 00:59:54 believe that maybe the universe is twice as old as what we thought. So it's 27 billion years old, not 13.7 billion years anymore. And I thought, well, this is just kind of funny. Right. Let's just like, let's just change this. Like, another 13 billion, not a big deal, right? It just goes to show you, we have no fucking clue. Right. And I hate to say that, but, you know, it's kind of funny. There was at least a thesis behind the 13.7 billion years. It was related to kind of boltsman constant and it was related to fine structure and all the other stuff that comes along with that 137, that's that important number that separates light from darkness. So I could understand that. But what is interesting now is that we get so stuck in these belief systems
Starting point is 01:00:40 with such a limited viewpoint and perspective. And as soon as you have an expanded perspective, So, for example, if we could perceive all of the other spectrum of light and sound, and light and sound are irrevocably connected, sound is just the absorption of light, manifested in the form of phonons that carry mass. And if we could actually perceive all these things that are hidden in the universe around us, then we would truly know who we are, because we are that. this world is I have a unique number. My unique number is my persona.
Starting point is 01:01:20 It is my conscious mind. The world around me is one over that number. And that's my repetition cycle of experience until I break that cycle of experience. And that's what I would call directly related to the bore atom model, which shows that why hydrogen should have these particular wavelengths of expression. and the world around it, that which is not hydrogen, would be the absorption of hydrogen reflected back to it. And that's what we're experiencing our world around us.
Starting point is 01:01:50 It's literally a U-inverse. And when we understand that, then you can see how things like correspondence actually come to play. You could look at a flower and you could say, wait a minute. So if a solar system has this shape and has these dynamics, what does it look like? Well, it looks like an atom that would have like nine electrons. and maybe because there's only one element that goes through its periodic wave of elements
Starting point is 01:02:16 and just keeps adding electrons to it. Maybe as we up-level consciousness, maybe the number of planets will go to 12. What a surprise now they're saying that they've found three new planets in the Kuiper belt. It's a function of consciousness. These are simply mirror reflections across scales of magnitude. So we sit right in the center of, of the universe at 10 to the first power, right?
Starting point is 01:02:46 The average height of a man on Earth right now is the golden ratio in meters. 1.6-18 meters, about 5 foot 4, right? That's the average height for a human being today on Earth. Really? It's shorter than I would think. Well, yeah, they're not all, you know, an industrialized nation, so there's some countries
Starting point is 01:03:05 that have much smaller people, and you have to take the average height of women, too. So it's not just men, it's the average of all humanity. Today. So when you look at that, you say, wait, what a coincidence? It's 1.618 is the average height for humanity, right? For men and women averaged across the board. And then if we go to 10 to the 10th power, right, or 10 to the 15th power,
Starting point is 01:03:30 then we're at the scale of a solar system. And if we go 10 to the negative 15th power, we're at the scale of a hydrogen atom. Micro, macro. Micro macro. Yeah. So wait. So then physicists keep saying, well, we got to go to the muons and the leptons scale, right? Much smaller.
Starting point is 01:03:47 We're going to go to quarks. And every time they go to another layer, they find another three things. Yeah. Right. Proton electron neutron. We don't want to call it proton electron neutron because they have to give it a new name because someone else has to get a naming right to it. Right.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Right. So then you just keep going further and further down. And actually, it would just be the same thing to go clustering up. So you've got solar systems that then go to galaxies and the galaxies become galactic clusters and galactic clusters become a universe. become a universe and now they're talking about a multiverse. It's the same thing in a repetitive self-similar cycle as a fractal over and over and over again in both directions, so that at the scale of 10 to the negative 60th power and 10 to the 60th power for the universe. And there's
Starting point is 01:04:29 a 120, a 10 to the 120th power is the difference between those two scales. When you start to realize that the universe is all mental, you can see how this just becomes a fractal of a expression that keeps replicating through its reflections infinitely, like mirrors. Powerful, man. So many avenues to open up here. What we're speaking to here also lends itself nicely to the principle of vibration, which we spoke to a little bit, and the fact that nothing is at rest, that everything moves, that everything is at vibrate. Like, if you look at the smallest scale, varied down to the Planck time, to the macrocosm of how the universe is in a bigger manifestation right in galaxies and up to a multiverse potentially everything is in motion the universe
Starting point is 01:05:18 is alive and understanding how that is the case we can learn how we are an expression of the universe and we can harness our mental vibrations to control our state of being to choose our destiny and even deeper into the occult teachings it talks about how you can actually control other people's mental vibrations which is interesting to know that all the seven principles that we're using here are completely neutral. They can be used for malice or benevolent purposes as well. But by understanding the principle of vibration, one can begin to harness their own mental vibrations more and then you can actually become a truly conscious human being and choose your path in life. Yeah, absolutely. And it is true. I mean, your vibration has a huge impact
Starting point is 01:06:02 on everyone else. I mean, we've all been to a party or a dinner or an event or something where someone that has a very, very low frequency walks in. And what's it feel like? It's like, whoa, darkness entered the room. It's like the dark cloud just came to the room, especially at your place, right? Everything is like very, very high frequency here. Everyone's really happy.
Starting point is 01:06:22 And then all of a sudden, if someone were to walk in that was like the wrong frequency to make a delivery or something, it's just bad vibes. It's just bad vibes. You're like, what's going on? What's up with that, right? That doesn't match.
Starting point is 01:06:32 And by the same token, when you come into a room and you bring that love vibration with you, everyone feels it. It subtly impacts and profoundly impacts eventually everyone in the room. Every person you touch, every person you meet. And every person you meet and every person you touch has an opportunity to give you divine wisdom. When you're in flow, you realize that literally every experience you have could be a message from the other side. You connecting with your higher self. Some incredible fantastical thing. I was just in Rome. with Matthias de Stefano.
Starting point is 01:07:10 And it was a trip, right? We're like, and I really mean a trip. We were like hanging out. We went to the Vatican together and everything. It was really fun. That's a scene. Robert and Matthias walking to the Vatican. I don't know, right?
Starting point is 01:07:22 It's like, it's like should be a joke, right? It's in the beginning of a joke. Yeah. And we're just hanging out. And afterwards, you know, I gave the speech in the morning. And a lot of people kind of gave me flack over presenting there, or even talking there. And the reason why I did it,
Starting point is 01:07:37 was because it's in line with what I've just been saying to you. You know, it's like if you flip the question and say, you know, who should listen to what you have to say, right? Or who would you listen to? What would be the time that you wouldn't listen to someone? And for me, my answer should always be, I'm always open to listening. Because everything that comes into my field might actually be a message from my higher self.
Starting point is 01:08:05 So I should always be open to listen. So therefore, if I'm always open to listen, shouldn't I always be open to speak? That I might be listened to. And it goes back to, you have to be also smart about what you're going to talk about. The lips of wisdom are sealed, right, except for those with the ears of understanding. And that's a critical aspect for us to understand. So I had to tailor my conversation to those things that people could grasp, right? But it was still the same message, same message of love.
Starting point is 01:08:37 And, you know, that afternoon we went around. We don't know where we're going. So, Matias is like, okay, I want to go to this place. We kind of mapped all these places. I want to go to this place. I feel like we should go to this place. We go to this place, go to this place, go to this place. We'll do the prayer over here.
Starting point is 01:08:51 We'll go to this place over here. We might sing a song. It was like this crazy scavenger hunt type of thing. And we're waiting for signs. This is what it's really like. I'm not kidding. So funny. We just need cameras on this.
Starting point is 01:09:03 It's like a whole Indiana Jones spiritual scavenger hunt version. Oh, and the crazy thing is, is he's getting the same downloads and stuff that I was getting. That's where we met. We became friends in Miami. We'd met a year ago at Aubrey's event, but we met in Miami, and we ended up meeting with the materialistic sort of scientific guy named Eric Weinstein, a brilliant guy. And Eric says to me, he's like, which government agency is Mattias from? And I said, he's from GOD.
Starting point is 01:09:32 And he goes, what agency is that? Which I thought was hilarious. That was one of the best moments. We sat and had breakfast together for almost five hours with him. And just had a very, very deep, scientific and spiritual conversation as well. But it's like that. You let the universe come to you. And we ended up having an incredible time.
Starting point is 01:09:54 And he went to all the places that he needed to go to. And on my last trip, I knew I was going to cities that all had obelisk, that I needed to visit these obelisks. So I went to the obelisk in Rome. I went to the obelisk in New York City. I went to the obelisk in Paris. So I've got to visit three of the four, you know, obelists that are outside of Egypt in these major cities. And this is what your life becomes. It starts to take on this very different, it's almost like an Indiana Jones movie, right?
Starting point is 01:10:24 Where you're following these clues that your higher self is giving you. And you're just letting it come to you. It's through surrender and love that you can experience it. And life becomes really fun, and it's very loving. And I think that is such a shift, at least from my own experience, of being a materialistic person in my past as well. It's been a powerful shift and it's made life so much more fun and interesting, to be honest. The power of these understandings and what we're talking about is because, and I love we were talking a little bit before we hopped on here, of how all these seven hermetic principles allow us to recognize the flow of life and how, you know, with the next principle, the principle of rhythm, like everything has its tides, everything flows in and out. There's these cycles. And by gaining
Starting point is 01:11:12 awareness as to how this is operating within your own reality, then you can actually start to use the rhythm and not you be used by it. So is there anything you want to touch on about the principle rhythm? You know, before we go into that, I want to say one last thing about vibration. Vibration, it's important to realize that there are, first of all, there's some really exciting new technologies coming out in the world. I just went to visit one in Texas and Waxahxy Texas. And it is a... Whoever came up with that name. It's cool name.
Starting point is 01:11:40 And they built a Tesla tower. Yeah, you were telling me about it. $150 million investment project. They had me there to review it and see their demonstration where they used wireless electricity. And they applied a new concept, newer concept, I guess,
Starting point is 01:11:56 that was from a German scientist, a new understanding of this concept, a guy by the name of Zenic. So they applied a Zenic wave to create a energy that could go beyond what we normally refer to as inverse square law. So the inverse square law is gravity and radiation both comply with that. Even though materialistic scientists don't believe there's a relationship between gravity and radiation, there most definitely is.
Starting point is 01:12:22 They might say that there's some relationship, they just don't know what the relationship is, they're just equal opposites of each other, literally two sides of a coin. And they both comply with inverse square law. So that means that the distance that you are from a nuclear explosion will define, how much geiger, right, how many geigers of radiation you're going to take into your physiology, right? And by the same token, if you're close to Earth, the gravitational pull on you is greater. If you're farther from it, it's going to be an inverse square of the distance of you from the earth is how much energy pull force that will be on you, right? Or measured in Newton's,
Starting point is 01:12:56 for example. So what they did is they actually had the light bulb, you know, holding a light bulb, and they lit the light bulb, you know, from a wireless generator that was about half a mile away, almost half a mile away. And I was like, wow, this is really cool because they figured out how to not have that, they could transport electricity via shortwave radio, short and long wave radio waves. So AM band radio. You could basically have it go through AM radio. Now, the reason why I was there is because they want to figure out how to make sure that people
Starting point is 01:13:32 that aren't supposed to be able to have free access to it, right? Wouldn't immediately just have free access to it. But their project is really about bringing electricity to the African continent at this time. It's fascinating stuff. But they could create literally a net around the entire planet Earth with the Zanic Wave because they figured out using the Zanic Wave how to make it so that it's not 1 over R squared, but rather radius squared, right, one over R. So that allows it to go all the way around Earth, even from only one site.
Starting point is 01:14:05 So they've already tested it and they can get it to, you can power things at a distance of 750 miles right now. But when they get to the right frequency on it, they'll be able to have it go literally all around the world. So that's a massive shift, right? It's not free energy because they stuff to generate the electricity, but the tower can broadcast the electricity wirelessly. That's a cool concept. like Luke could be talking on your cell phone and it would be charging without you being plugged into anything.
Starting point is 01:14:32 It's freaky. It's wild. That's wild. It is totally safe for humans too. Totally safe. Of course, this technology was around before, but it was suppressed because because JP Morgan and you know, Edison, you know, they're like, how do we make sure
Starting point is 01:14:45 that nobody can access this, right? And there is ways you can do it through cryptography and everything that you could, you know, because there still has to be a process to make it sustainable. So, but the point on the vibration is this, that everything has this vibration, right? And the notes and the reason why they've got me
Starting point is 01:15:04 on this project as well now is because they wanted me to apply precise temperament tuning frequencies to the specific bandwidth, right, of the radio waves that they're occupying for that electricity so that it's totally coherent to the body, geometrically, right? Because there are a lot of wavelengths that the FCC approves that could be microwave, right, could be like Wi-Fi, etc., that are well-known to be carcinogenic, right, that actually cause problems to the body, that we just don't have enough science to substantiate to make companies stop using those particular wavelengths. But this company has taken it from the perspective right for the very beginning. We want this to be very safe, and we're only going to use the right wavelengths that are going to be in concert with our biology.
Starting point is 01:15:52 You know, so this idea of precise temperament tuning and 432 hertz tuning, it's all geometrically derived, right? And I think eventually we'll probably all have some sort of like vibrator or something that's going to be at a holy residence of 432 hertz. Spiritual vibrator, we're all going to carry around with it. That's right. That's your next billion dollar idea. I do it for meditation.
Starting point is 01:16:14 It'll be personally used. Put it on your third eye and just that's right. Put on your third eye. Well, actually, people do have that. They have it in tuning forks, right? So I have a tuning for you. I just whack it on my leg and put on my third eye. So why not just have it be something that could be a little buzzer?
Starting point is 01:16:29 So, yes, it's the holy resonance. I'm going to trademark that right after this podcast. So basically, vibration is critically important. And being aware of how those geometries affect you because the vibration that we hear in sound or can feel and touch is really just the different expression of the mass. mathematics, it's the abstract form, right? Or sound music is just the way that we enjoy geometry through our hearing sense. The physical seeing this with cymatics and then also how sound reveals the inherent geometry that is operating at a deeper substrate is really, really intriguing
Starting point is 01:17:10 and interesting to me. And also with precise tuning, we may be seen the video for anybody that's watching this on YouTube or on Spotify as well. Now you can see we'll put up on screen when you have two resonant tuning forks at 432, right? And you hit it in the ping pong, Paul bounces off depending on, it's like the same things happening with us in every dimension. And you can think about how that could be free energy by itself, right? Because like I have the singing bowls.
Starting point is 01:17:36 And one of them was a singing bowl that was, it's actually one that I got in, it was a Tibetan singing bowl that I got in India. And I went back to my office and I started playing the singing bowl. And I noticed that it was a B note. And it was a pretty high. It was basically a crown chakra bowl. So I played the crown chakra bowl.
Starting point is 01:17:55 I noticed that the several like alarms that I have in the ceiling started sympathetically resonating with it. So they started ringing the alarm bells started ringing in my room of my office just by playing the singing bowl. And I would walk down the hall and they all rang. So that type of technology could definitely be one source that I know of many now. There are many, many free energy projects that are legit. legit and real now. And this is all because we're now in this new age of frequency, which is really
Starting point is 01:18:27 just another way of saying a new age of vibration. It's so interesting. I mean, there's many different string instruments that if we were to pluck the e-string or, you know, like a low e-string on something, it'll then start resonating and vibrating the other strings and the different instruments. It's cool to see that as an example of what's possible because we are vibrational beings and the same thing happens when we put out a thought charged by our emotion and then becomes a magnet to attract that very same vibration in a different manifestation. Very cool, very cool stuff. And another rabbit hole we can keep diving deeper into. So another empowering insight into understanding how this existence works is how everything has its poles. Through the principle
Starting point is 01:19:06 of polarity, we understand the realm of duality that we operate within the physical world. Why does that become a powerful awareness that we are on the spectrum of polarity that, there are different gradations of gray that heat and cold are on the same spectrum of heat and just different variants of it and how we can, it's just such an empowering awareness to have. It really is. That was actually, I think this was the thing that probably was the catalyst for a major aspect of my own awakening is that the things that I had thought were opposites, whether conceptual, mental frameworks or material, you know, things.
Starting point is 01:19:50 that we would describe, I realized we're identical with each other, only differing in degree. So that's a precept of the Kaiballion, right, that opposites are identical and only differ in their degree. So let me give you some examples. Identical in nature, exactly. Identical in nature, just differing in degree. So when you think of it in that sense, let me give you some brass tack kind of examples of this. So I was flying back from Hong Kong in 2010. And I had met this Buddhist monk who, while I was there, was applying for a job.
Starting point is 01:20:29 And he had just been on a five-year Vipasana, right? So five years of valve silence. And he came back. He'd been a country manager in Thailand for Bauchin-Lam, which I was a CEO, Bauchin-Lam Surgical. So I want to talk to him. I'm like, I'm going to be the first guy to talk to this guy. I'm like, hi.
Starting point is 01:20:46 Right. And he says, I said, would you learn while you're in five years of valve silence? And he said, there is no duality. There's only oneness. And I was completely foreign. It was totally concepts that were foreign to my thinking at that time. So I'm like, can you expand on that? And he's like, he's a man of few words, right? Man of few words. And so I started contemplating it on the way back. I was flying back. And I took out my notebook. I started writing down on one side. like a ledger almost, like positives, negatives,
Starting point is 01:21:22 started writing down concepts that I thought were opposites of each other. So you started thinking about antonym relationships between words, good, evil, right? Love. That was a tough one because I'm like, what's the opposite of love? Is it hate? Is it fear? What is it? Right? And it could be either ones.
Starting point is 01:21:42 That was one of the things I realized that was kind of a difficult one, but there is something there to this. And maybe there is no opposite of love, truly. But then, and that's profound in and of itself. So then you start going down the other list of things. You could be like fascist, communist, right? You could go down the list and start to describe each of these different things, humility, arrogance. Some of them are pretty easy.
Starting point is 01:22:05 But then I started realizing, I'm like, well, how could I apply this concept of being, these two things are identical in nature, but only differing in degrees? And in the case of humility and arrogance, it actually was easy. because I had come across in my lifetime so many people. All they did was judge other people's arrogance. And the people that were always judging other people's arrogance were the most arrogant people I knew. And so I'm like, wait a minute.
Starting point is 01:22:32 Is it possible to become arrogant in your humility? Yeah, it's called piousness, right? You can have this sort of pompous, pious... Yeah, self-righteousness. Self-righteousness, exactly. And then I started thinking about communism. We talked about this last time. Communism and fascism.
Starting point is 01:22:51 I couldn't come up with one example of a country that claimed to be communist that actually didn't turn out to be fascist. And so I started realizing that literally I wasn't able to identify even one thing besides love that wasn't identical in nature only differing in degree from its opposite. And to me that was profound because that was the beginning of the unlearned. process. As Yoda says, right, in Empire Strikes Back, you must master Skywalker, you must unlearn what you have learned because he'd gotten into all these belief systems. When he tried to get the ex-fighter, X-wing out of the swamp and he couldn't do it. And then Yoda just does it
Starting point is 01:23:33 easily. He's like, I can't believe it. He goes, and that is why you fail. Right. It's exactly that concept. We create these mental prisons, right? It's like a mental jail cell for ourselves. And after a while, you start to believe it. And we see this so many times with like peer-reviewed studies and everything where people will actually test and, you know, they'll have like, I saw something where if you have like a rat inside of a bucket, right, they'll be able to climb out of the bucket until they have another generation of rats that are born that have never gone out of the bucket. And they don't even try. It's like, what's up with that?
Starting point is 01:24:17 You can take the lid off and they don't even try to come out because they've believed that it's impossible to come out of. It's like one of my favorite songs by In Excess from the 80s is like, we're all born with wings, right? Some of us just don't know why. So those self-limiting beliefs often get ascribed and attachments. We form attachments to these concepts
Starting point is 01:24:40 of what is our realm of good and evil, right and wrong, all these things that we didn't realize were actually just directly tied to the things that we either consciously or subconsciously believed benefited us and we would then side with it. And that's a tough one to wrap your brain around because then you start thinking,
Starting point is 01:24:58 wait, so I've been biased my entire time on how I saw the world. That we cling on and attach to our once subjective perspective without realizing that it is on that grander spectrum of something that is identical in nature, right? And so we could have this close identification with one perspective on life. And the power of this principle and understanding how polarity works is that you can actually see, no, every truth is but a half truth. And that everything has its corresponding counterpart and that there is a spectrum of awareness and that you can realize how limited your perception is.
Starting point is 01:25:40 and that opens your mind up to the possibility of other people and their perspectives. And then you can stop living in this constipated, narrow, myopic view of what you think reality is. You can open yourself up to life. So well said. You know, I think at a certain point in my life, probably until the time, I have often said this, I didn't feel like I was an adult man until I was like 42 or 43 years old. And I don't think that's terribly uncommon, to be honest, because I had very ambitious views of what I wanted to achieve before I felt like I could say I'm a real man now.
Starting point is 01:26:16 I'm like, and if you have to say it, then you're still not it, right? That's the kind of the thing. And I remember, I used to always think at that time that I would accumulate more and more facts, and as I accumulated more facts, I would gain more knowledge. But then at a certain point when I went through a big midlife crisis at that time, I realized that the more I learned, the less I actually feel like I know. and that was the big shift. When I started realizing that all of these perceptions that I had accumulated as facts were merely facets and now I needed to look at it in a broader sense and question everything.
Starting point is 01:26:54 And that's when I went back to mathematics and I said, my objective reality no longer makes sense to me. So I need to reconstruct my objective reality through math. There was one plus one really equal to or is that something that I can't really trust? I literally went to that level. And as a result, within a few years, started publishing papers on new mathematics because I looked at math from an entirely fresh perspective like it was a language. So just as language, you know, it's like there's a word. It doesn't have to have an observation of judgment associated or attached to it. It's just a word.
Starting point is 01:27:30 When you start looking at the world around you as just words, as just impressions, and without attaching a judgment, to it because resisting that attachment of a judgment right away is what will bring you the highest degree of conscious expansion faster. And that's why I think polarity is such a critical aspect of the seven hermetic principles, understanding that you can raise your vibration, how you perceive something. So let's say that you are hating someone right now because they dumped you. You're hurt. And maybe they really, really hurt you. And you can't quite. grasp the notion yet that you chose it all, right? And that's okay. It's perfectly fine. But you can change how you feel about it in that moment by raising your vibration. Because as you raise your
Starting point is 01:28:21 vibration through gratitude in a meditative capacity or state, it will dramatically shift your perception of that thing. Now, we do this every day with time because there are a lot of things that happened to you and I that we would say, that was the worst thing that ever happened to me. Oh my gosh, what was me? And then a few months later, you revisit it and you're like, you know, as I look back on that, that's probably the best thing that ever happened to me.
Starting point is 01:28:47 Does it ever happen to you? Many times. That's what life is. Time and our perception of it also has the effect of flipping polarities. If we got everything we wanted, what a shame it would be because we're not opening ourselves up
Starting point is 01:29:00 to the possibility of something that's greater than we could ever dream of. So beautifully said, if we got so, something we wanted. Say that again? Yeah, if we got everything we wanted, then we would be limiting ourselves to the possibility of getting something that is in the unknown that is greater than we could ever dream of. That's part of the beauty of life is the surprise is if you asked me what I would be doing today five years ago, I couldn't dream the situation I'm so grateful to be in now. I'm sure
Starting point is 01:29:27 like you as well. But you know, you can't see it. No, you're on a ride, right? You're definitely on a super ride for where you are, you know, and what you've been able to accomplish in life so quickly. it's kind of astounding. And you should take a moment. And are you thanking yourself and celebrating enough? Yeah, I think it's a practice and it's a journey. Being able to see the forest from the trees, being able to just have gratitude from where I've gotten to and not just be so focused on what I'm excited to create next, which is a part that I honor and I love about me as well, that I have this kind of trailblazing mentality, want to create the next thing and innovate and bring more creations into the world. and just to infuse, and it's a reminder, and I feel like that's why I'm so grateful for friends like you and other people in my life that remind me to play, to enjoy the whole journey in the process.
Starting point is 01:30:19 It's like, what are we doing it for if we're not having? You know, it will, this one thing I've learned through this whole process too, is that when you take that approach, it will accelerate all of your accomplishments even faster. And I used to always be just as you described. It's like I could feel it. I could definitely feel it.
Starting point is 01:30:40 I used to always be like, okay, I did this. Now, but what's next? I don't know if you saw the movie that was about Howard Hughes. It was called The Aviator. It had Leo DiCaprio in it. And at the very end of the movie, like he finally launches the spruce goose, like this gigantic airplane that was supposed to be this cargo plane that he had a contract with the government for.
Starting point is 01:30:58 It was the largest plane ever made of wood. And right after the thing lands, it's like, let's celebrate. And he's like, no, no, this is what's next. It couldn't even take a moment to be in that moment. And that is a lifetime that can lead to a lot of suffering, unnecessary suffering. Now, maybe that's what you've chosen, and that's fine. But if you want to choose to transcend that, to break the samsara cycle of repetition, you keep experiencing the same things over and over again, then take that moment,
Starting point is 01:31:32 because in the moment that you were already thinking about what's next, you're already constructing all the obstacles mentally that you'll be facing to achieve that next thing. By constructing the mental obstacles, you will construct the material obstacles. So once we start getting beyond the belief system that we even have obstacles, that's when you start doing incredible things. There's no limit. There's only limits that we conceive. It's becoming a master of your reality. Society is currently conditioned for this forward plunging motion into this somsauric seductiveness of the sadonic habits of a lot of these things that bring us really to a state of more of a sleeper
Starting point is 01:32:19 than actually realizing your true vibrancy and becoming fully alive. And where the principle, the next principle of rhythm comes into this, you can actually become a master of reality when you see the tides of life and how they're happening and that you can recognize the pendulum that is swinging within your reality. And you can use that. You can use the cycles of your life and not have it just constantly use you. So I do believe that it's a process
Starting point is 01:32:43 and I love to get your perspective as well. It's like meeting life halfway in the aspect of the intelligence of life and the universal law of mentalism knows what it's doing and supporting you in choosing the life and challenges that you've chosen. Just trust it.
Starting point is 01:32:58 It's hard though. I'm not going to discount that. I mean, it's easy for me now. Oh, yeah, I just trust your. life is going to be okay. But I got to pay my cable bill. I got to pay my electricity and all that other stuff. Yes.
Starting point is 01:33:11 You know, it's not something you can just sort of like, oh, I'm ascending so my bills don't matter anymore. I get that. I get that. But I think what you're saying actually leads as a perfect segue into rhythm. Because you talked about the tides, going in and out.
Starting point is 01:33:27 Everything has this motion and this principle of rhythm where your life will go through these rhythms. I talked about the seven-year cycle of your cell death. Apoptosis is what it's called. This same cycle is just a rhythmic cycle. It's like octaves that are playing out for us. And right now, we're in a massive expansion period for humanity. We're doubling our octave.
Starting point is 01:33:47 Right, because we have those cycles on the individual level, but then also collective level. And this is unprecedented right now. This collective level expansion we're going through is so unprecedented. And that's why we're all here. We wanted to be the people that are listening to this are attracted to this. are attracted to this particular podcast for a reason because you are here for this. You know, you have attracted this vibration.
Starting point is 01:34:11 Everything is deliberate. There is nothing by chance. Chance, right, is only a law unrecognized. That's straight from the Kaibaldian as well. It goes into cause and effect. Goes into cause and effect. And so this notion of rhythm, just recognize where you are in your life cycle, right?
Starting point is 01:34:28 It's like, it's like, you know, we have periods, and cycles in mathematics. We have periods and cycles in our moon cycles, right, for the feminine menstruation cycle. We are all going through a collective emotional, physical, spiritual, right, cycle of expansion and contraction. Expansion and contraction. This is the nature of the universe.
Starting point is 01:34:52 And a Kalauga right now. That's right. So we're now going into this stage where we're going into an entirely new experience. not everybody will experience the same thing. But it's happening. It's most definitely happening. DNA is changing just through our own consciousness.
Starting point is 01:35:14 It's already moving towards this 12-strand DNA. And it was very exciting for me to see the whole thing with the Schumann residents that came up a few weeks ago. It looked just like DNA. And what's interesting to me about this is that, you know, I've been doing a lot of work on the DNA structure. I have several patents in this area, mathematical analysis and everything and how then turn that to being able to play DNA and gene sequencing, gene editing and things like this as well. Some people are going to go, wait, technology, that could be really bad. Let me just be very clear about this. All technology will have a polarized effect on society. It'll have good
Starting point is 01:35:53 aspects and equal opposite bad aspects, everything does. Everything will split into what would be a good perception, what would be a bad perception. What matters the most is how you decide to perceive it, because that's what you will experience. If you perceive something is going to be incredibly dystopian and bad, it will be that. If you think you can or you think you can't, you will be right, just as Henry Ford said. It's true. So be thoughtful of not only your thoughts, but also the judgments that you ascribe and attach to those consequences and outcomes. And this rhythm concept is something that we can find our flow with. It's like the Midichlorians. You want to be able to flow like in Tai Chi, right? You want to be able to flow
Starting point is 01:36:38 with the universe's flow, because the more you go against that flow, right, the more difficulty, impedance, challenge you're going to face along the journey. Right. Now, you can transmute some of those things because you can raise your vibration and gratitude is the simplest, easiest thing to do. Put yourself in a state of gratitude. I've realized that I cannot feel fear while in a state of gratitude. By the same token, I can't be in a place of judgment while in a state of love. Those are the two things that I think, if you want to take something away from this, you can raise your vibration and go into those just by focusing. Everyone can be thankful for a few things in their life. It could be something as simple as I'm grateful I can walk.
Starting point is 01:37:22 I'm grateful I can see because there are a lot of people who can do neither. By the simple act of the choice to use your will to change your mental vibration into that gratitude state, you, like the dominoes that has is cosmic in your life. And it seems so small, right? But it's so profound in the ripples that it can have and what you will attract to you. And that's when it's like really integrated, right? We're on this journey constantly of awareness and integration, awareness and integration. That's the rhythm.
Starting point is 01:37:51 That is the rhythm. Yeah. And, you know, with the next principle, the principle of cause and effect, you spoke to chances but chances but a name for a law not recognized in how every single effect has its cause. Every single cause has its effect. There is this chain of happenings within our reality that once we start to become aware of, and I've always had like intuitions of this. I'm like, we were speaking to a little bit earlier. If you don't stop to smell the roses in a way, your life will very much pass you by. If you don't take a moment to realize and pay attention into the causes that are in in your life, then the rotten fruit will come from the rotten root
Starting point is 01:38:28 in that aspect. And you'll keep getting this effect. It'll be a chain of happenings that you have no influence over. And so I'd love to get your perspective as well of how the universe isn't just deterministic in this aspect of just cause and effect, cause and effect. But we can use our intention kind of like on the tail of a surfboard to carve and ride that wave. So gaining awareness as to the power of cause and effect is everything. It's huge. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, first of all, you have to realize that for every action, there must be an equal opposite reaction as well. I mean, that's a fundamental tenet of physics. We're not going to escape that. So as people are ascending, there will be people likewise descending. It's the nature of it. It's like the branches are
Starting point is 01:39:18 the masculine principle, like radiative masculine principle, reaching towards the sky. And the roots are the feminine principle reaching down deeper into the earth. Right? This goes back to correspondence as above so below. But this principle also relates to cause and effect. Because what we start to start realizing is that we all kind of get the concept that maybe if there was a math equation for the future, it might be something like the sum of the past multiplied by the sum of the present equals the future. That might be one way to describe the mathematical aspect of how we could look at probabilities, at least, for the future. But actually, if time is an illusion, that's Einstein. Time is a persistent illusion that we continue to cling to, then the past determines the future, but the future
Starting point is 01:40:12 also determines the past. The two are connected. It's called entanglement. It can't be separated apart. So what does that mean for us? Because a lot of people ask me all the time, it's like, well, does that mean there's destiny? Right. Does that mean that there's no free will? And again, that's looking at it from my perspective from a separated viewpoint. I believe that we chose every experience that we have in our life in the higher self sense. Before we came here, we created an avatar for ourselves of separation, which then separated into, a U and a U inverse, right, which was the conscious mind and the subconscious mind reflected back to you based on the absorption that you are not in your own perception.
Starting point is 01:40:58 And so as you can tap into the higher self, then those two realms can merge. As those two realms merge, you enter a new zone called the super conscious mind. The super conscious mind is what, you know, homo sanctus is meant to represent. Some referred to it, Richard Rudd. I saw yesterday I was referring to, you know, we have homo erectus. We have this other group that was Homo Nilemi. And I just saw this program on Netflix about last night. And then we have Homo sapien.
Starting point is 01:41:29 But the next evolution of mankind is either Homo Sanctus, which is like, you know, sort of sacred. It's a way to think of it. Or another word I've heard referred to it as is homolumous, the light body activation. right. So as we go into this next frame of perspective, we start to realize that we have connected more deeply with our higher self. And once we come into an alignment with our higher self, then we can access the superconscious mind. That's where miracles, that's where magic, that's where alchemy all comes in. And people that don't believe in miracles will never experience miracles. People that do believe in miracles will experience them every single day. You know, you can look at
Starting point is 01:42:14 life and say there are no miracles in life or you could say life itself is a freaking miracle. Which one do you choose? And based on that choice is what you will experience. I know which one I'm choosing. So the notion that you can connect to your higher self to bring out this homo luminous or homosanctus luminous, right? This higher embodiment that Joe Dispenza also talks about. right? So the supernatural version of humanity, that's something that's very exciting. It doesn't require any technology, but it's also not fearful of the technology because it realizes that technology will have both positive and negative consequence as a result. There's a lot of people now, like really worried about AI. And I can understand it. You know, I can understand where the actors are
Starting point is 01:43:04 freaking out because they're like, we don't want to pay you guys anymore, right? We're going to pay you for, you one day's work and we're going to get your likeness and we're just going to deep fake you. I saw the Indiana Jones movie. That was pretty damn good. Deep faking. Pretty impressive. I mean, it still didn't look perfect, but hey, you know, actors may be difficult to deal with sometimes. They can be divas.
Starting point is 01:43:25 They got to have their little tent outside or their little, you know, their little jets, those silver streams, whatever they have. Right. And so basically the notion that AI is going to come in and take over, 27% of jobs. is the number I've just heard recently. You know, everyone now is using chat GPT. There's religions now that have outsourced the sermons to chat GBT. That is hilarious.
Starting point is 01:43:51 That's true. Look it up. You can Google it. You'll find it. There's like whole congregations that have outsourced. Even the question and answer and everything is like, this is God now, right? And the latest Mission Impossible installment, which I just saw with my very, very close friend, Boaz, was about that.
Starting point is 01:44:06 It's like this notion that AI escaped. and you had to have the key to the source code, and then you could basically go back because this AI that escaped is called the entity, and everyone starts worshipping it like it's a god. There's an angel Gabriel that's representative of it as well. It's like so weird. And it feels very dystopian, right?
Starting point is 01:44:24 If you believe and you want to ascribe to that dystopianness, you will experience that dystopian. It will be your reality. So your belief systems become such a critical aspect and realizing that your act, will have certain cause and effect is also tantamount to realizing as well that your beliefs of what the consequence of your actions will be will also become your reality. That's sort of a Jedi level of understanding. It's like going to the next level of understanding and saying, okay, maybe
Starting point is 01:44:58 what I call destiny is really just the free will of my higher self that I am. I'm not separate from. I've just been limited by. You know, if you think about it, if you're going into this game, so let's go back to the game analogy, talked about that, you know, this Maya game that I've created. So if you really want to learn something by coming into this Maya world, right, in this game, you're not going to go with all of your powers as an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being. It's not very fun, right? It's like, I could be everywhere. I could do anything. I could say anything, I can bend space time, I can do whatever. What you would do is you would limit your abilities in your avatar and then find ways to regain those abilities as you opened up new doors of consciousness,
Starting point is 01:45:48 new portals of understanding. And that's exactly what we've done in this game of Maya and what we're doing here in this game called Earth. But New Earth now is going to be one where those limitations of understanding and still understanding the cause and effect and still understanding the consequences of things, but realizing that a lot of it is going to be tied directly to what our own belief systems are, and that those limitations are, again, directly tied to those limitations, is what's going to be the catalyst for a lot of transcendence of some of the systems that are breaking down around us right now. And that's what I hope. My hope, sincerely, is that we are in a world of infrastructure, mechanisms, education, governance,
Starting point is 01:46:37 that are anachronisms for the new world. The new earth. Maybe humanity is now at a stage where we don't need overseers. Maybe we don't need leaders in the same way. We need more leadership, that's for sure. but I don't think we need more overseers and leaders that take away individual rights and sovereign freedoms. And I think this is part and parcel of making this transition, understanding the seven hermetic principles. You know, the founding fathers of this country, and this is just only something
Starting point is 01:47:13 that I, and I've not talked about this at all with anyone yet, so this is like debuting it here. So I'll tell you a quick story. I said that I went to all the obelisks in the last few weeks, right? And what was really fascinating about that is that each obelisk has a, the one in New York and the one in London, have time capsules underneath them. So I went to the obelisk. Now I went to the pyramid complex in February and March. And while I was there, I discovered this integer-based harmonic relationship between the three pyramids on the Giza Plateau. So that the height to one half the base of Menkari Pyramid, which is smallest, Kafri Pyramid is the second largest.
Starting point is 01:47:59 And then the Great Pyramid is the largest. It goes like this. It's five over four ratio. So five over four. And that's a, it's called a major third in music. It's an interval. Major third music, it sounds like love. It sounds like romantic love.
Starting point is 01:48:13 Everyone loves the major thirds. Da, da, da, just like that. Then you don't want to go, da, da, da. that's a perfect fifth. So you've got the 5 over 4 relationship and then a 4 over 3 relationship in Kaffray Pyramid because that's exactly the right triangle if you cut the pyramid in half.
Starting point is 01:48:33 It would form that right triangle. And then the great pyramid is 2 over pi. So you've got 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Why is it 1? Well, if it's 2 over pi, pie is a circumference of a circle with diameter of 1. So 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Starting point is 01:48:46 That's kind of cool, right? Very cool. very cool so wait in those three pyramids we now have all 13 musical intervals that exist in music in one octave so when we look at the pyramids it's beautiful to us because it's a full rainbow spectrum of light that's pretty trippy very trippy and if i look at it from one angle so i look at minkari pyramid which is the smallest but also a very beautiful pyramid if i look at it from one perspective taking its height over one half its base it's the major third but if i look at it from its base, its full-length base, versus its height, then it becomes a minor sixth. Which a minor six, so there's been studies done on this.
Starting point is 01:49:27 So music ties to emotion. So we listen to the major third. We all say, oh, we report, we'll write down a double-blind, peer-reviewed study that will say, major third sounds like romantic love. And then we listen to its opposite, which would always seven to nine. So if it's a third,
Starting point is 01:49:43 then the other opposite of it must be. Its inversion must be a sixth, right? And then it goes from major. it always flips its polarity, polarity to a minor chord, which is a negative charge. Major chord would be a positive charge. You follow what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:49:58 So that's how you just learn this now, music theory. So if you got a major third, its opposite is going to be a minor sixth. So the minor sixth, self-reported scoring, says heartbreak. Isn't that fascinating?
Starting point is 01:50:13 So, wait a minute. Divinely designed. This goes back to the principle. right that we just talked about which is everything that exists as opposites are identical in nature just in differing degrees
Starting point is 01:50:29 so this principle is beautiful because now I'm looking at it from one angle I'm thinking from the Menkari pyramid romantic love if I look at it from another perspective it's heartbreak so maybe in the experience of romantic love is the seed already of heartbreak and it's simply a function of time
Starting point is 01:50:48 because those two notes are the same notes, by the way. It's just taking the C to E of the major third and then going up an octave to the high C and then down to that same E. Putting those together sounds like heartbreak. So this is true for all emotions. They actually have each musical interval, which means that we have a mathematical equation
Starting point is 01:51:08 for emotional states because they're all just based on 5 over 4, 3 over 2 for the perfect 5th, which means it makes us feel like stability, et cetera. So when you start thinking about this now, you're like, whoa, that's trippy. So while I was there in the Menkari Pyramid, we discovered on the walls of the king's chamber, and I'm presenting on this soon, to your life all over the walls, in fact. Not just one, but many.
Starting point is 01:51:32 And one of them had a staff of Hermes right on top of it. We'd never seen this before. And then on the wall, right, on the, that was on the east wall. On the south wall was a snake like a long serpent on top of another staff of Asclepius. Right. So it's like a staff of Caduceus. Same thing. So these symbologies were all symbologies that were not looking like dynastic Egyptian stuff at all. And these are lightly etched into the walls. And I've got photographs and great footage of all of it now. And now tour groups are actually going and asking to see this stuff and they're seeing it.
Starting point is 01:52:06 And I had Egyptologists with me as well. They were all freaking out because the one had ever seen this stuff before and noticed it before. It was funny because Dolores Cannon was recorded in, I think it was 2014, saying that at some point in the future, there would be someone that we all have symbols associated with our fields. And that when the symbols matched, someone would go in and find things on the walls of the pyramid that everyone else wasn't able to see that then, because the symbols matched, they would be able to see all the stuff on the walls of the pyramid. And I just saw that video of Dolores Cannon, who passed away in 2014, only a few days ago. Now, this is fascinating to me because
Starting point is 01:52:44 when I went to the obelisk in New York City, Cleopatra's Needle, as it was called, I noticed that there's a block at the base, right? And it was late at night, it was probably like 9 or 10 o'clock at night when I was there, and there was a Shakespeare play going on, literally at the, there's like a little, you know, globe theater type of thing
Starting point is 01:53:05 in the middle of Central Park where they have like free Shakespeare plays in the summer. And it was Hamlet. And so I was hell-bent on going up to this obelisk. So I look at the obelisk and I start looking at the block underneath it. The block underneath, I start noticing on one side was flower of life pattern, just like exists at the Abidos Assyrian Temple. And on the other side, I noticed an eye, and then on another side, I noticed DNA and the shape of a chromosome.
Starting point is 01:53:34 So flower of life pattern, so that I'm thinking, well, where's the tree of life? So I go on the other side, and sure enough, on the south side of it, was a tree of life and a staff of Hermes and a flaming sword, just as described in the Bible. And this is not, everyone says, well, the Bible is not that old. Well, the Bible is just a recording of stories that have been carried down through generation after generation after generation. And it was the story of how we transcended or rather descended into duality. And so as I'm looking at this, I'm like, wow, that looks really similar to the exact image
Starting point is 01:54:05 we found on the wall, on the east wall of Menkari Pyramid. And as you start to realize how. all of this is connected, right, because it's all musical notes. These are tuning forks at each city. So I started doing research on this to find out what's in the time capsule underneath. In the obelisk, yeah. So the sister obelisk to this that came from Luxor is in London. It's on the Victoria embankment on the River Thames. Okay, so Queen Victoria, she actually is the only person that has commissioned the building of a pyramid in the UK.
Starting point is 01:54:45 There's a pyramid in the UK. And it's a pyramid with a very pointy top. It's like an angle that's a very unique angle. It's based on a 512, 13 triangle. Now, that's really fascinating because that particular pyramid is the one that Matthias kept telling me that he keeps seeing. And he said, can you tell me what this means?
Starting point is 01:55:07 I said, that's strange because I was flying over here. I was analyzing that particular pyramid. that particular shape. Because it's unique. It's the only triangle whose perimeter is equal to its area. 512, 13 will give you
Starting point is 01:55:21 an area of 30 and it will give you a perimeter also of 30. So it's a very unique triangle. So you put two of them together and they'll have 60 combined. And so you have the line down the center
Starting point is 01:55:33 and you combine those two. You literally have the minutes of a clock. 60 descending minutes of arc. 60 ascending. minutes of arc. So it's related to time. So what's in the time capsule? I find out there's three things in the time capsule. One is all of the complete works of William Shakespeare. That's random. And it's right next to this Globe Theater thing they've got there. That's kind of strange. And this was done in the 19th century, right? It's like 1880s. And the other items that were in there
Starting point is 01:56:04 were two other items, the Bible, King James Version of the Bible, which was done by Rosa And the other item that was left inside there was the Declaration of Independence, a copy of it. So I immediately said to my friend who spent 20 years decrypting the Shakespeare code and has a television show on it now, I called them up and I said, hey, there's a in the time capsule, this is done by Freemasons and Rosicrucians. There's a time capsule at the base of Cleopatra's needle that has the encrypted works that we've decrypted. and I've done a lot of those decryptions with him as well, the Shakespeare's works, and also the Bible, which was done by the same people.
Starting point is 01:56:46 King James Version of the Bible was written by the same people that wrote all of Shakespeare's works, so that all of it's encrypted, with a particular type of grid cipher. It's a grid cipher that's a block, a block cipher. And so I said to him, what do you want to bet that the Declaration of Independence is also encrypted?
Starting point is 01:57:04 Now, wait, this gets really interesting. Now you realize you're in National Treasure, right? So... You are, Nicholas Cage. So within a few hours, Alan took and put it all into a grid and the grid matched the same grid patterns that we used in the same approach
Starting point is 01:57:26 that was done by John D. and Francis Bacon because these are the people that did all this stuff. And it turns out that there are two mistakes, and this is the way the tell is. So in the Shakespeare works, they find it by intentional mistakes. So the page and age, on the Complete Works of Shakespeare is all off.
Starting point is 01:57:44 And so every time there's a mistake, you know there's an intentional encryption. And it's all about Hermes. It's all about Metatron, which is another name that I haven't talked about yet, but we can come back to. It's an angelic form of Enoch. We talked about it last time a little bit.
Starting point is 01:57:59 We talked about it last time. And it's all about this monas hieroglyphica. So this becomes really fascinating because the two mistakes that are in the Dexterity Declaration of Independence, which was written by Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin, polymath. All of them, arguably polymaths. And this is the most important document they've ever penned. It's Declaration of Independence. This is an important story, right? And they're going to get it perfect, and it's beautifully done in calligraphy, right? It's beautifully done. But there are two errors in it.
Starting point is 01:58:36 It turns out that those two errors are the addition of one word, right, which was the word only. And you see it because they put a little one of those things that like points up, like a little arrow. So they insert right here type thing. And they put only there, insert. And then the other one was the word representative that was missing the E.N, which is the French word for in. only in. And they also put another little arrow. It looks like a pyramid going into it.
Starting point is 01:59:12 So we measured them. We looked at it. We took a line straight down and then found where the only was, which is down here. And guess what? It makes exactly a 512-13 triangle. Sam.
Starting point is 01:59:25 Exactly. 67.4 degree angle, right for its beta and its theta comes out to be, you know, 22 and a half. What's the third point? If it's only and... It's a 90-degree angle.
Starting point is 01:59:36 So you just take the... Oh, it's a 90-degree. You just go straight across. Got it. And then you take this one straight down. That forms a 90-degree angle, right? And then those two points, it gives you, with only two points, you can form a triangle. So why?
Starting point is 01:59:49 Why? Okay. So now you're going to the rabbit hole. And it's actually, you didn't know we were going to talk about this because it's, but it's all related to what we're talking about. And it's all about New Earth. So Sir Francis Bacon wrote this book. that many claim to be unfinished called Ben Salem.
Starting point is 02:00:08 Ben Salam is just another way of saying new Jerusalem. So Salem was the word for Jerusalem. So when Malkisadeq was in the land, he was the priest king of Salem. Abraham paid ties and offering to him. So there's only a few mentions of him in the Bible, but there's more mentions you can find in some of the Kabbalistic texts, et cetera.
Starting point is 02:00:30 So he was a priest after the order of Melchizedek. So this higher order understanding also believed to be one of the incarnations of Thoth, Hermes, Metatron, Enoch. We can go down this long list of names, right? St. Germain, et cetera. This notion of this triangle that was the perfect triangle, by the way,
Starting point is 02:00:53 is one of the places we're going to visit in Egypt. I'm going to go with you. I'm going to go with you in December. They found just recently. And now this comes back to something because I've known everything about Egypt and how I missed this is kind of mind-blowing.
Starting point is 02:01:07 It's almost like a Mandela effect in reverse. Do you know what Mandela effect is? Mandela effect, for those that don't know, is when a massive people have a memory of something happening a certain way that didn't actually happen that way, like Jiffy Peanut Butter, right? It's like everyone remembers Jiffy Peanut Butter, but there's no Jiffy Peanut Butter.
Starting point is 02:01:23 It was Jif, right? Or they remember that Nelson Mandela died in like 1980-something and they watched his funeral and everything and he didn't really die. he spent 27 years in prison, but he didn't die then. And he wasn't released until the 90s, and then he became president after he was released.
Starting point is 02:01:41 So this Mandela effect can also be in reverse. So the best way I can describe it is this. As you raise your frequency, you can understand how the people that come into your life will be changed according to your vibration, right? Because they will parasympathetically resonate to your vibration. The people that... that enter into your realm, the experiences, the challenges, the places you travel, all of these
Starting point is 02:02:09 things that come into your world will be directly tied to the residence that you are carrying. Does that make sense? You can understand that concept. But what if I told you that extended to the past as well? Now, to say that that extends to the future is sort of, you know, an easy thing as it's not a mental leap because you would say, well, that becomes cause and effect. of course, the moment that you start that resonance frequency, then everything in your world is going to be in training to that residence frequency
Starting point is 02:02:37 and also where you go and what you do in the future, but it wouldn't apply to the past, right? I don't think so. Because what I've started to notice is that as we start to raise frequency, the things that were in our history that were in higher dimension are now coming back into our perception. This is why Aynne to our... Civilization, ancient knowledge, all of the stuff now is starting to be remembered in different ways.
Starting point is 02:03:07 We're getting perspectives. It was as if we were dumb for a long time. We just couldn't see these things because we dumped ourselves down for that experience. That period of time is over now. So now, as an example, I'd never heard about this place called Abu Rawash, which sits 90 meters higher than the Giza Plateau. I never even heard of it. And now I look at that plateau, and I'd seen a map a month ago
Starting point is 02:03:36 that was from 1457 with five pyramids on it. And guess what? So I told you five over four was Menkari. Four over three is Kafrey pyramid, the second pyramid. The great pyramid's two over pi. But where's three over two? Three over two is missing. And then where's the perfect triangle?
Starting point is 02:03:53 We have within five over four and four over three of the perfect square, which has a square of half the base of Menkari would give you a square with a perimeter equal to its area. And the same thing is true for the circle of CAFRAE, a circle that has a circumference equal to its area. There'll be four pi and four pi and four as a side of a square would give you 16 as its area and it give you 16 of first perimeter as well. These are the only squares, the only circles. So then where's the only triangle that does the same thing? Pyramids are after all triangular shaped. There should be the only
Starting point is 02:04:23 triangle that does this. And that is the triangle of the 51213 that I mentioned. So guess what? In Abu Rahuah Wash, there are two pyramids. One of them has a three over two pitch. The other one has the 512-13. These are the two missing pyramids. So why does this become important? In this book that was written by Sir Francis Bacon that the founding fathers were all devotees of, the founding fathers believed that they were establishing America and they encrypted the Declaration of Independence. And you're going to be seeing all of this coming out very soon. Would you thought all of them had, all the founding fathers had the awareness of this? Or was there just a specific individual that was encoding?
Starting point is 02:05:07 No, I believe of the 50 some odd signers of the Declaration of Independence, I think it's 55 or something. Something like 50 of them were Rosicrucian, you know, people. And you could say what we think of today. And so there was a major shift in what we think of as Freemasonry. Today's Freemasonry is quite different than it was in those days. In those days, you had to learn the actual geometry. You were actually learning the principles of architecture. Not only architecture of buildings and beautiful cathedrals and everything, but principles
Starting point is 02:05:37 of architect, and I'm not a Freemason, but the principles of architecting your world, right, your experience. So these people thought they were bringing back to Earth a new Atlantis. That's what the founding fathers, from an esoteric perspective. That was the divine providence that they were referencing. then of course it turned to dark aspects because there's like, you know, it's like we have a divine mandate. We should just take the, take the land from the indigenous peoples. And there's all the negative aspects of that too. So everything has positive and negative consequence, without a doubt. Polarity. Polarity. It must always be so. So they believe that this was an entry point
Starting point is 02:06:21 to a new world, a new earth. An earth built on true maritime. an earth built on a new form of governance, an earth built on love, an earth built on the understanding that the herd of any one man is the herd of all. It was highly idealized. And that is what's coming through right now. These shifts. So I think as we continue to increase in our awareness and expansion, that what we consider as history, our knowings of history, are going to dramatically shift. And they'll just start showing up in the field. Like all of a sudden, me becoming aware of these two pyramids that no one really knows why it's associated with the Giza Plateau, but it's so close, it's only 2.4 miles away from the Great Pyramid. That's really close. And it sits
Starting point is 02:07:19 on this very high plateau, which would then presuppose that maybe there was something even more holy about these places. Why were they destroyed? Why do we only have their bases and their angles, their slope angles are matching what I just said, three over two and 12 over five? So this is about the entrance into a new paradigm. It's very intriguing. It's very interesting. I feel like the more that these encodings are decoded, it's just like they're musical notes in a larger symphony that's happening. That's happening. You just said it because each of these pyramids. Now, if we take 432, and I just did this. And we take those relationships
Starting point is 02:07:57 of the height over one half the bass and apply it as a musical note, they all have their own notes. And I didn't only find this is true for the pyramids in Egypt and the pyramids on the Giza Plateau and Abu Rawash. And it's also true for the red pyramid
Starting point is 02:08:12 and for the Bent Pyramid. It's also true for the Meadun pyramid and the Lahun Pyramid. It's also true for Chitzenitsa in Mexico. It's also true for Pyramid of the Sun and Pyramid of the Mood and Teotu Kintu Kahn. Hey, Houthi, Wakan.
Starting point is 02:08:24 It's also true for Tikal Pyramid. It's also true for Chalula in Mexico City. So have you put these together? Is there like a song of the pyramids? I think there is. Let's go. Let's go, right? It's like, and I'm like waiting for it.
Starting point is 02:08:38 I kind of joke about this without it. I'm like, wouldn't it be hilarious if it was like, dun, dun, dun, dun, bum, bum. It was like, too-to-ch. Yeah, totally right. I know. I think this is all stuff that's now emerging. and it's because of what's changing in the world.
Starting point is 02:08:57 And really that's just a reflection of what's changing within each of us. So that was a beautiful tangent. I'm actually really happy that we'd explored. And there's a lot of questions that I want to ask you from that. But in our limited understanding of time on this podcast, I want to go to the next principle of gender. Yes. Cool.
Starting point is 02:09:16 So having the awareness that everything has its feminine and masculine counterpart, even obviously within other. us within our objective and subjective mind, our conscious and our subconscious, even within plant life, they're on a leaf. There's a feminine and masculine side. So the power of this understanding is profound. It actually has a lot of implications to the current time we live in and find ourselves with a lot of things happening within gender. The awareness of the principle of gender also has big implications on how we become magnetizing human beings, the understanding magnetism, how to become influential and understanding, yeah, really magnetism within the reality,
Starting point is 02:09:56 within other individuals, and then, you know, life at large. So let's riff a little bit here on gender. I think the, you know, this has been one of those things. I'm still trying to understand how women think differently than we do, than men. Yeah. It's so funny because it's like a lifelong endeavor, and I will never get it. You know, I think I try really, really hard. But I now know, again, it's like in the early stage I used to think everyone thinks like I do because it's logical.
Starting point is 02:10:28 Well, then why doesn't my girlfriend think like that too? Or why doesn't my wife or whatever, right? And what I've now realized is that it's beautiful that they don't. Of course. And we love the curve. We'll never understand the irrationality of a circle. we may think we grasp it. And then as soon as we, it's like, you know,
Starting point is 02:10:52 what is the saying? It's like God is a circle that, you know, whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. Yeah. Right? It's like, wait, what? What did you just say?
Starting point is 02:11:05 I need to grasp this. And it seems like, you know, every one of our sports seemingly relates to, like, getting a ball in a hole, right? It's like, we've got to find that circle. The circle is this thing that's, we've got to find this, you know, there's cheese in there, whatever it is, we're going to find the thing, there's this great treasure in this beautiful circle. And I think that I finally came
Starting point is 02:11:28 to the realization that the way that the feminine perceives love is not even close to the way that the masculine perceives it. And that seems like such a fundamental thing because that means from the moment we're born into our mother's arms, our concept as a boy versus our mom is very different of what love is. And, you know, if you go into adulthood, of course, as a child, it's very different because you've got the nurturing aspect and everything. We want our mommy and we, and we're like, you know, we've experienced a separation and we want to come back into oneness with our mother from the moment that we're born. And I realized that what the feminine person is, you know, what the feminine perceives as love is more associated with safety. So I used to think, okay, I'm going to love my
Starting point is 02:12:25 girlfriend. I'm going to love my wife. I'm going to love my partner in the way that I want to be loved. It took me a really damn long time, right, and a few divorces, to figure out that that's not how she wanted to be loved. She wanted to feel safe. And I mistake my feeling of what love should be. Again, that's the unlearning part we have to do. We have to unlearn a lot of the things that we took for granted and be able to open ourselves up to seeing things in a different way. And when I realized that if I could help my partner always feel safe,
Starting point is 02:13:09 then she blossoms like a rose. And this understanding is finding that balance, Because, again, all of this is just a metaphor for what's happening within each of us. So there's also, if we're having a struggle in our relationships on the outside, it's just a metaphor, reflection of what's going on with the two halves of our brain wanting to come into alignment. And we have this corpus callosum, this tissue that connects both sides of the brain. And women are better at connecting both hemispheres of the brain than men are, to be honest. When men fall in love, it's like they're lost. They're completely done, right?
Starting point is 02:13:46 They're like can be crazy, but women can remain strategic, right? They know how to keep their wits about them. They can think and feel at the same time, whereas men have a difficult time thinking and feeling at the same time. They have to think or feel. And when they're in logic mode, they're in logic mode. And that can be very infuriating sometimes to their partners. And when they're in like love mode, they're like lost it.
Starting point is 02:14:09 We've all seen this. This is what happens when finally the woman puts the man in the ice box and then he's not sure if he wants to commit. and then all of a sudden, I'm lost without you. I want to marry you right now. Right. And this makes the world turn. It literally is the thing that makes the world turn.
Starting point is 02:14:25 So it's such a beautiful aspect. But for both aspects or both hemispheres to realize the value of the other, that is the balance. So the whole thing, if I could sum up the entire Kaibalian and the, and the, and the understanding that is the basis of all of it, it's realizing the love. It is the love that is that beautiful merger in all the symbology of the masculine and feminine. And that is the philosopher's stone. So that pyramid angle I was just talking about, that 512, 13, represents the perfect balance between the masculine and feminine. You have the perfect circle that inscribes within it, the perfect square that goes around that circle, and then the triangle that matches up with it, which represents the
Starting point is 02:15:19 divine. It is the penultimate achievement of the balance between the masculine and feminine gender principle. That is exactly what the foundational basis, and that's why geometry plays such an important role in all of hermetic wisdom and for hermitists that are truly initiates in the path. They want to find that. balance and that balance can be really, really damn fragile. But once you find it, then you enter into a new existence. And it really is about, I believe, coming to grips with the acceptance of the differences and falling in love with those differences rather than trying to butt up against them. That process for me as a man and for you, it's like owning, integrating the container setting
Starting point is 02:16:11 possibility of what it means to be a man in the masculine energy. Container is a good word. Then it becomes possible to appreciate the fragrance of the feminine. But the fragrance won't be there if the flower doesn't blossom if it doesn't bloom.
Starting point is 02:16:25 So it's like that beautiful analogy you gave earlier of creating the container and allowing the life force energy of that cell to be able to come online. So we both obviously have both parts within ourselves, both sides within ourselves. And then where most people are familiar with
Starting point is 02:16:40 is relationship and the dynamic between man and woman, but it is much more fluid than just, you know, I think older traditional narratives of a man is only masculine and a woman is only feminine. They're energies. You have feminine energy within you. I do as well. And I want to also see, again,
Starting point is 02:16:58 what I'm experiencing in my outside world is really just a reflection of what's happening inside of me. If I can find that balance inside of me, then the balance becomes an extension of that sympathetic resonance in the outside world. around me as well. And that's true across society and government and everything. So, you know, this, I made the comment earlier. I'm like, I didn't feel like I was a man, not an adult, right? I didn't feel like an adult man until I was in my mid-40s, probably. And I want to expand on that for a moment,
Starting point is 02:17:27 because I think this is one of those things that might be, I hope, helpful to people as they're sort of facing. My followership on social media is largely younger. Like I, I would say the majority of the people that follow me in their 20s and 30s. And the vast majority, in fact. And I think one of the challenges that we face in societies right now, we don't really have many role models to look up to in any way, shape, or form, right? And I don't consider myself, I'm not trying to be a role model. What I'm trying to say is that the reason why I didn't feel like a full adult man yet
Starting point is 02:18:06 until in my mid-40s is because I hadn't accomplished yet what I had. had set out to accomplish. And I think this is one of the things that lots of men feel, right? So I'm speaking now particularly to the young men because what happens is women become very, very mature early, right? They get, you know, they'll be dating guys that are generally kind of the same age up to about 25. And then right at 26, something shifts. Women will start dating much older guys. You notice that? It's about 26, 26. 27. all of a sudden the people that I would never do that. Then all of a sudden they're like in a really significant relationship with a much older
Starting point is 02:18:48 person. And so I kind of have witnessed this over the last 20 or so years. And I'm kind of like, that's really fascinating. I wonder why that is. And it comes down to this feeling of safety. It comes down to this feeling. It's not always because the woman had some bad relationship with her father, as the cliche would always presuppose.
Starting point is 02:19:08 It's not always like that. it's also because the men are not really ready to fully commit yet to them, to give them that safety, because they don't feel like they have accomplished enough yet. Men don't feel worthy of receiving that love until they've done all of their homework. Right? They've done all of their work. All the things that they had on their list of, their bucket list of life accomplishments that they needed to achieve. And so they don't feel worthy to enter into, they don't want to be into the kind of relationship that's going to be expected by the divine feminine
Starting point is 02:19:44 at that point in time. And one thing I'd like to say to these men and that category is it is perfectly great to realize that you have this ambition and you want to achieve things and that's totally normal because you feel like, hey, how can I even worry about having a family
Starting point is 02:20:04 or having kids or being in a significant relationship when I don't feel I can provide totally. And I can tell you the moment my first daughter was born, that was like, talk about instinct kicking in of like, you got to provide. You get your ass to work, boy. That's exactly how I felt.
Starting point is 02:20:21 I didn't feel like a grown man yet, but I knew I got to go provide. I got to bring home some money, right? I knew that aspect of it right away. It was very visceral for me. And every morning I woke up, I would feel that. So it was like a monkey on my back, to be honest. But what I wanted was.
Starting point is 02:20:37 want to say to the young men that are kind of in that category or men in their 30s and even earlier 40s is that you can have both. You actually can have both. It is a limitation that we believe, again, that doesn't have to be there. This idea that, you know, one of the things I wanted to say is that when I've been in divine relationships, right, in many ways, it became a catalyst for my achievement of my goals and life plans. It didn't have to be something that was juxtaposed against the other. You can have both.
Starting point is 02:21:17 So if it's something you want, then don't feel like you have to feel unworthy of love until you've made all your accomplishments list. It's a powerful reminder and whether or not you believe your role model. You are an example of finding that integration and finding the deep acceptance with the full spectrum of what it means to be a human,
Starting point is 02:21:36 not just a man, not just a woman, but that we have the qualities of both. And if we just closely identify with one for a period of our life, we're going to suffer because we're not expressing the fullness of who we are. I know many examples of people that are really just super identified in their flowy, airy, fairy, feminine essence, which is beautiful, but suffer because they don't have the grounded aspect of finding that balance within the 3D. And we know plenty of the burnt out CEO who is only in his masculine for decades. you were one maybe for a little bit. Definitely. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:22:12 But you have those inklings as well of like being a musician earlier on and like exploring the feminine side. And I'm sure you found so much liberation as you continued to give expression to those parts. I definitely did. And when I started finding my own artwork as well, you know, so people ask me, how can, if I'm a man, what's one way that I could embody more feminine, right, to really foster the feminine energy within me and open my heart? because that's really what it's about.
Starting point is 02:22:39 The feminine, divine feminine will open your heart. The male concept or basis, foundational structure, programming, whatever you want to call it, is logos. The female, and it's beautiful because it's like paternal, it's strong, it's, you know, take risks, it's protection, it's provide. Those are all aspects that divine masculine must have and embrace in today's world to live in this world of 3D. have to have that. And I feel very lucky and blessed because I got to learn how to do that.
Starting point is 02:23:12 You know, before I decided to explore my feminine aspect, right? My feminine aspect came out through the expression of art. And it was through the artistry that led to my heartistry. That's when my heart opened up in ways that I never thought could or that I thought would be acceptable. And it turned out to be the most beautiful aspects of my life now. I didn't even know that I could sculpt. I didn't even know that I could, you know, do drawings that would have profound impact on people or paintings or whatever that people would value my artwork. And really, practicing your artistry brings out your heartistry. That's what I wanted to say. And for the feminine, who wants to embody more of the masculine
Starting point is 02:24:08 in principle. And I see this a lot. And I know it's kind of funny because people are going through today, there's like this renaissance of geometry. People hated it in school. It's like people absolutely hated geometry. They hated mathematics. And now they're falling in love with it because they realize that what they learned in school was just the math without meaning. And now they realize that it's a language of God. They want to learn it. And they want to connect to it. And they're in a love affair. So if you can hate something, just like these principles of polarity, you can also love it. So people are falling in love with it. They hate it. They left it behind. And this is the rhythm and cycle of life. We just haven't been going through this rhythm and cycle right now. The more the feminine starts to embody
Starting point is 02:24:56 some of the more the beautiful aspects of geometry. And I say geometry as an example because it's one way I've seen, and it's not entirely masculine. That's a beautiful thing about it. It literally is geometry is right at that center point of your brain. It's right around the pineal gland. That's why it's such a powerful aspect. If you look at math, math is your left temporal lobe if you're right-handed. Music is your right temporal lobe. So then you could say that math is the abstract form of music.
Starting point is 02:25:26 And music is the way that we enjoy the abstract form of mathematics of ratio and interval, which is musical interval. And at the center of it is the geometry. So geometry is the music we experience with our eyes. And music is the geometry that we experience with our ears. And you could then look at the entire electromagnetic spectrum in a different way and say, the things I'm touching, the food I'm making has phi ratios in it. It's all geometric.
Starting point is 02:25:54 It's just in a different expression of it. It's all God's artistry. And it all comes from the heart. It's the heart that will bring us into a new earth. we've been diving into so many profound things in this in this conversation and it's it's when you come to the matters of the heart that most move you you know and when you in your expression of your own heartistry that there's that saying people don't remember what you say they remember how you make them feel right and I think when we kind of come into like what is the point of all this why are we really studying the hermetic wisdom and uncovering the gnostic truths and exploring the different degrees of the pyramids on the planet and um And it's, I believe, for us to be able to unlock more of our heart power, like that, that capacity for love that we have that we all feel and have moments and glimpses of to allow that to infuse into every area of life. And the more we do that, the less suffering will see. I could not agree with you more. Suffering is directly tied to judgment. So when we are able to transcend the judgment, the suffering ends. the judgment is what creates the suffering.
Starting point is 02:27:13 So if you want to say, what's the foundational basis, what's the reason for all of this, it's to the seven hermiter principles, I believe, are there to help us to have context, to understand that this universe is mental. These are things that are sort of held in violent. There's no, you have to leave behind normal. You leave normal behind and leaving materialism behind
Starting point is 02:27:38 and realizing that all of it is mind. Once you make that step into this concept of mentalism, then you start seeing the fractal nature of correspondence across the universe, up and down, all scales of orders of magnitude. And then you realize that everything is tied to my vibrational state. My experience then is basically about entrainment to different vibrational states.
Starting point is 02:28:01 If I'm angry coming in the room, I can entrain other people to being angry. If I'm happy and loving, then I can entrain other people to being angry. loving. And the field of my resonance is expands by the degree to which my heart is open. So if my heart field is very powerful, then the entire world can change. That's what ascended avatars do. And that's what Richard Rudd refers to as the golden thread, that every person you touch, every person you meet, you literally will turn that aspect of lead into gold. That's what alchemy
Starting point is 02:28:36 truly is about. And then when you extend beyond that, you realize that, you realize that, that it's about polarity. And the things that I've been judging that I've been learning my whole life is this whole thing of, I've been categorizing things in like haploclases, like haplotypes,
Starting point is 02:28:52 and saying, this is good and this is bad without even realizing the things that I've been describing to good have been the things that really just benefited me. Or at least my conscious mind. And then you extend beyond that and you go into rhythm
Starting point is 02:29:07 and you realize that it's just a breathing cycle we're learning, we're growing, we're going through this cell apoptosis, and then we're becoming an new. Death is just the cycle of rebirth. And then we go into cause and effect. And we realize that everything has to have an equal opposite. Everything will always have an opposite effect. No matter how you look at it, the past will determine the future, but the future also determines the past, which is another way of looking at a transcendent view of our experience with time. And then gender. And just the reason why I think it's the seventh principle is because I think it's the principle that most points us to love. That when we desire to no longer seek truth and seek judgment,
Starting point is 02:29:57 but rather we start to see perfection and see truth and that the one truth that exists, the only truth, is the love that underlies it all. It's the thing that binds to together the universe. Love is metaphysical gravity. It is the gravity. It's the thing that's unknown to us that we have to bring to light. It's that darkness that's from divine mother that holds and binds the whole universe together. That's the love. We're not here. I think we're here to learn these semi-hormetic principles because it helps us unlearn the judgments that we've accumulated. It's the unlearning process that we're going through in studying this. And as we unlearn it, our life starts to transcend. And we start to realize that the reason we're here
Starting point is 02:30:45 beyond knowing ourselves, because there is a thing above knowing ourselves. And that's learning how to love and how to be loved. That's why we're here. Thank you for sharing yourself and your gift and your passion. And you've so beautifully co-led this conversation into what it means to be a real alchemist of our life, to not just turn base metals into gold, but to turn pain into purpose in a profound way. And man, yeah, by just you leading and you firsthand becoming an alchemist of your own reality and turning that pain into purpose and sharing what your heart wants to express and that artistry and that heartistry to come online, man, it's a gift that we all get to witness. And I think that's a beautiful kind of note to start to wrap up here is how when we unlock
Starting point is 02:31:33 these gifts and we unlock that heartistry and we become the alchemist of our life, you then become a handle in a light in a dark world. You become an illuminator for other people. You show them what's possible by your way of being. And that's how I see you. That's exactly how I see you. You are a light. Not only for your generation, but for the whole world. And you're stepping into that mission that you decided upon. And you're coming into alignment with all of the the aspects that come along with that. And I hope that you take that moment to celebrate and recognize where you are. And it really is about the journey. Life is not a destination. It's a journey of beauty and love. If we will but see it as that, you know, I gave the speech at the Vatican.
Starting point is 02:32:39 And I started it with a quote, if there were a... any one period of time one would desire to be born in, is it not the age of revolution? When old and new stands side by side and admit of being compared, when the energies of all men are searched by fear and by hope, and when the historic glories of the old but can be compensated by the rich possibilities of the new era, this time, like all times, is a very good one if we but know what to do with it. We've now taken a few hours to go through this discussion about the seven hermetic principles and how to unlearn what we thought we were here to do. We thought we were here to learn judgments.
Starting point is 02:33:20 We thought we were here to learn and collect facts. And as we expand and grow and blossom and open our hearts, we recognize that our facts were facets. They're all part of a prism of a larger truth, and that larger truth is only one thing, and that is the love that underlies it all. And that the universe is here served by our different, unique, beautifully unique perspectives on seeing the world and what we can contribute and bring to this world. And as we understand our role in that and we embody that,
Starting point is 02:33:54 we become the change we want to see in the world like you're doing every day already. Then we see everything around us change. It's not about changing the world around us if we could stop complaining about what the world around us is like and actually start being what we want to see. that's the answer. Love is the answer and love wins. Love you, man.
Starting point is 02:34:19 Love you too. Appreciate you. And it's just, it feels so good. And man, I fully receive all the words that you shared. I really do. I feel it. And it's so nourishing and it feels so good to know that there are brothers on the path and there are sisters on the path that feel the more beautiful world. Our hearts know as possible that feel the possibility of the new earth. and are actively walking the steps. They're not just talking it.
Starting point is 02:34:45 They're becoming it. They're being it. And we get to be way showers and bring that new reality closer and closer each day. Thank you for being a wayshower. Thank you. Thank you so much for all you do. Thank you, man.
Starting point is 02:34:58 Appreciate you so much. Likewise. I didn't know how we could top the last one. This has just been so rad. There's, yeah, that feels like a beautiful note to wrap up. on, man. Is there anything else on your heart that you want to share? And then, you know, we can obviously point people towards where they can find you or is there anything. No, I just, you know, I think we, the world is not a difficult place. I've said that many times because people hate each
Starting point is 02:35:24 other. It's because people don't like themselves. If we can start to like ourselves, because we're embodying the change we want to see rather than complaining about what the world is or is not, we'll end judgment and will end suffering. And I think that's the thing that most people have such a hard time to grasp. And I myself had a very difficult time grasping it. It's only been very, very recently that, you know, this different way of perceiving it has come into focus. And it's made all the difference. It really has. And I'm grateful to so many people along the way for even the people that did me wrong. I gave this, I got this award, a lifetime adjustment. Achievement Award at Cal State Fullerton University about two months ago.
Starting point is 02:36:16 And they asked me to give this speech. And it was funny because the award they gave me was this diamond-shaped crystal thing that was actually the same shape as the pyramid, too. The exact same, five, 12, 13. And I get this and I was like kind of stuck for a moment as I looked at it because I didn't realize that that was what the award was going to look like. I was like, whoa, that's really trippy. And so I stood up at the first.
Starting point is 02:36:40 podium and I thought to myself you know prior to coming to give the speech I'm like who you know obviously I have a list of people I want to thank and all the people that helped me along the way and I learned from and mentors and all that but then I realized that the biggest shift in me at that point in time was that the person I also wanted to recognize and thank was myself and I never ever would have felt comfortable saying or being or doing that in any other period of my life but now I am. And I think we can get to a stage where we start to fall in love with our experience. The way we transcend is not by wanting to escape.
Starting point is 02:37:25 It's by falling in love. And I believe that's what enlightenment really is. Robert, thank you again so much for the gift of your being and how you're sharing with the world. And I know this is just a second podcast of many that we're going to continue to do for years to come. And for everybody that's been tuning into this episode, it's so beautiful to feel, you know, you see numbers online. You see hundreds of thousands of views or likes and comments and it's impactful. And to actually read them is really profound. But to remember that each number represents a human being that is tuning into this understanding, into this frequency, into this conversation. So, I mean, my deepest bow and gratitude for you all who are tuning into this episode and who have been coming on this journey with us today. And it's been incredibly moving for me. and if it has been for you, please let us know how so. I'd love to hear. Is there anything else? No, we love you. Beautiful. Well, everywhere you can find...
Starting point is 02:38:26 You're loved. Yes. Everywhere you can find, Robert will be linked again down in the description below. And, you know, I recently came out with a book list, actually where I did a review of the Kabbalian. We'll link that down the description below is my favorite 50 books. That's a cool kind of free thing to give people. And stay connected with us. coming on this journey and until next time it will be well

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