Know Thyself - E72 - Dr. John Demartini: The Hidden Purpose Behind Human Values & Judgement That Causes SUFFERING

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Dr. John Demartini uncovers the universal laws that govern our reality and reveals how we can use this information to create the life of our dreams. He shares how the resistance to duality causes suffering and trauma to arise within the human psyche. Giving examples, tools and practices we can use to move from victim of history to master of destiny. He also shares how to engineer your reality to match your true desires, by getting clear on your hierarchy of values, and creating a life centered around doing what you love. Known for his work in the film, 'The Secret', Dr. Demartini explains how the law of attraction really works, revealing why it only works if you're in alignment with your highest values.  __________ Download André's FREE Book Recommendation List: https://www.knowthyself.one/books ___________ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro 2:18 What it Means to Know Thyself  4:29 Answering the Question: Who Are You? 6:15 Defining Your Hierarchy of Values & Claiming Your Ideal Life 10:52 How Our Highest Excitement Serves the Planet  13:02 Reflective Awareness: Transcending Our Judgement Of Others 21:30 Holding Paradox Simultaneously: From Polarity to Unicity  25:45 How The Law of Attraction ACTUALLY Works - The Secret to the 'Secret' 35:19 Mastering Your Craft: How Dr. Demartini Overcame Difficulty to Live His Purpose 39:33 Reframing Trauma: From Victim of History to Master of Destiny  49:56 "We Only Need 3 Hours to Grieve" Rapidly Transforming Grief 53:15 Breaking the Spell of Infatuation and Finding True Love 56:41 The Trap of Self Righteousness & Moral Hypocrisy  59:28 The Shadow Side of Trying to Create World Peace 1:06:23 Liberating Yourself From the Unnecessary Pain of Suffering 1:10:47 Life’s Inherent Intelligence With Order and Chaos  1:20:13 Unifying Science and Spirit & Transforming Judgement into Love 1:24:40 The Merging of Wisdom and Love 1:25:44 Defining What God Is to Humans 1:31:25 Keeping Clear Metrics on Your Life  1:35:56 Dr. Demartini's Mystical & Psychedelic Experiences 1:42:27 Conclusion ___________ Dr. John Demartini is a polymath and a world-renowned human behavior expert. His work has been described by students as the "most comprehensive body of work", "an extensive library of wisdom". Dr. John Demartini's mission and vision is to share knowledge and wisdom that empowers you to become a master of your own life and destiny. He's an internationally published author, a global educator and the founder of the Demartini Method, a revolutionary tool in modern psychology. His education curriculum ranges from personal growth seminars to corporate empowerment programs His teachings are the synthesis of knowledge and wisdom from the greatest minds through history and his curriculum is designed to help you empower and inspire all 7 areas of your life. Website: https://drdemartini.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drjohndemartini/ ___________ Know Thyself Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ Website: https://www.knowthyself.one Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKg Listen to all episodes on Audio:  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927 André Duqum Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/ Meraki Media https://merakimedia.com https://www.instagram.com/merakimedia/

The magnificence of who you are is far great than any fantasies you'll ever put on yourself. I've heard you speak to how the journey of the matured intellect is being able to hold paradox simultaneously. Simultaneously. If you're addicted to pleasure, you're going to be hurt by pain. Anything that you have an infatuation with, the opposite is going to be something you resent. I had a lady in London. She was traumatized at 16. I said, good. Go to that moment. What did you perceive? And when she got through, she was not traumatized. She didn't have a label. The suffering is the inability to see both sides simultaneously.

We're trying to get rid of the side that we think is the shadow's side, but the shadow is just as essential as the other. It's an event. And if you buy into the event and put a label on it, you'll be trapped as a victim of history instead of a master of destiny. If you ask new sets of questions, I can take that same event, transform it into something you're grateful for and get on with your life. Master of Destiny.

Some people are familiar with you from your work initially being in the film The Secret. what do you feel like the law of attraction truly is being able to consciously create life in the way that you want it? So the secret behind the secret left out of the secret is... Wow, that was so powerful. I believe that we're here to wake up our genius and contribute innovative, creative, original thinking to the planet.

I believe that we're here to be of contribution and service. I believe that you're here to master finances and not be a slave to it. I'm a firm believer that you can do whatever you set your mind to. This might have been one of my favorite podcast is ever done. Hello, beautiful beings. welcome back to the Know Thyself podcast where every single week we get the honor and privilege to sit down with a brilliant mind to learn more about the true nature of self and the world around us

every single week. Now our guest today is a polymath, a world-renowned human behavior expert, an internationally bestselling author and speaker and he's helped millions of people around the world break past their own limiting beliefs and reach their full potential. This episode is going to be dense. So just a note in advance, if you're going to listen and commit to the length of this podcast, bust out a pen and a pad. We're going to be exploring the intersection of human values, quantum physics, the hidden order behind it all, human judgment, and a lot of things that I think can really support us all as humans live a more liberated experience. So Dr. John D. Martini, thank you for being here.

Thank you for having me. Well, we are on the Know They Self podcast, and I would love for you to share a little bit about what that means to you. The magnificence of who you are is far great. than any fantasies you'll ever put on yourself. So giving yourself permission to be yourself is the most liberating, most fulfilling, most meaningful, most productive and inspiring thing a human being can do.

It's been stated for centuries, if not millennia, to know thyself, be thyself, love thyself. And it's true. And being honest with who we are and not having vicissitudes of fluctuation about the facades that we wear liberates us from the bondage of the distractions that most people are trapped in.

So being true to yourself is the essence of our existence. When you look at the words, the self, the part that's self in there, what do you, what's the extent of self? Well, I think it was Schopenhauer, even though I've not found the exact quote, a quote, about a quote. It says that we become,

our true self to the degree that we, you know, reflect and identify ourselves to all things. So really, there's no boundary on the real self. We tend to have this illusion of our form, but as Plato says, there's an ideal form that transcends. There's a nominal world beyond the transcendent, you know, the transcendental world beyond the phenomenal world. So we become our true self to the degree that we make everything else ourself. And that's the subatomic to the astronomic. The old yogic cities were the idea that we're the subatomic world and we're the

astronomical world and anywhere in between. So I don't know if there's any boundary that we've found. Our microscopes and our telescopes are our boundary. The mathematician, Stephen Wolfram, says that we have a bounded awareness. And then as we expand that boundary, our awareness of ourselves continues to expand. I love that. So if someone asks you, who are you? when you internalize that question, what do you feel like is the most aligned, accurate,

truthful answer of the question, who am I? Well, I look at what your life demonstrates. And if we were to take the Earth and it spins in 86,400 seconds in a day and go one astronomical unit to the Sun and look at the Earth, whatever we identify ourselves, it becomes an infinitesimal to the Sun looking back, without a telescope, we don't even, we're not even perceptible. If we go about 26,000 light years, 27,000 light years to the Milky Way Center, to Sagittarius A, and look back at the sun and then our planet, which is non-discernible, we're even more infinitesimal. If we go to the Lanay-Key's supercluster and look at our galaxy or Milky Way,

which is undiscernable and an infinitesimal, we're now an infinitesimal of an infinitesimal of an infinitesimal. And then we realize that we're absolutely nothingness. But yet, if we go inside by powers of 10 into the plank dimensional world, the subatomic quantum world, then we become massive. So we're everything. So we're everything and nothing. That's interesting that on the macro scale, we're nothing. And on the microscale, we're everything. So that's why the paradoxes of language and philosophy and you know compared to philosophy and religions have used all different types of languages and it depends on the perspective so I don't know if there's any boundary micro or macro we could say we're in the continuum you're living in a continuum so within this relative

human experience a lot of your work has been helping people discover the intersection of human values and identity and so I'd love for you to share a little bit of your framework of why that's such an important topic to unravel right now. Well, when I was 23, I was starting professional school, I was very fascinated by why some people walk their talk and others limp their life, why some did what they said and many didn't. And I was trying to discern what was the key in that

because I wanted to obviously achieve more and fill my life more. And I distilled it down to human values, things that they value. And there is a hierarchy of values for people, things that are more important to least important in their life, things that are higher priority, lower priority. In my case, I have a high value on researching and learning and teaching.

I have a low value on cooking and driving. I haven't cooked since I was 24, and I haven't driven a car in over 30-something years. So I learned that if you do things that are high on your value, your self-worth goes up. if you do things lower your values, your self-worth goes down. And if you do things that are high in your value, you're spontaneously act because you're inspired spontaneously to do it.

It's intrinsically driven. And if you do something low in your values, you need extrinsic motivation and reward to do it and punishment if you don't do it to get you to do it. So obviously identifying what the hierarchy of one's values are. It dictates how they perceive, decide, and act, and therefore their destiny. And prioritizing your life liberate you.

I learned what were the highest priorities for me, teach research right and travel the world. Everything else is delegated. I have specialists that take care of everything else. I jokingly say, even if I have a girlfriend, I tell her, I said, look, I've delegated George Clooney to take care of lovemaking. And would you still love me if I delegated that? She said, I'd love you even more.

So I delegate everything and do only what I'm really inspired to do, which is teach research right and travel the world. So that switch from most people perceiving that I need to live a motivated life to I can live an inspired life and I can discover what is my calling and then you by discovering that prioritization of values can become most effective with how you're using your human energy in this meat suit for the lifetime that you are in it well your highest value um that is most important highest in priority Aristotle called the telos and the telos is the end in mind and the study of the Tell us was teleology, the study of meaning and purpose.

So the most meaningful, the most purposeful, the most inspiring, most fulfilling thing a human being can do is to prioritize our life and fill it with the very highest priority thing that's most meaningful. So why do anything else? Why be second? Why not be first? Why not live in the highest priority possible? So finding out what that is.

Now that could be raising a beautiful child. It could be some social cause. It could be fitness. It could be exercise, education. nobody's right or wrong for their hierarchy values, but they're unique, and identifying that is liberating. And the second you live by the very highest value,

that's your identity revolves around that. Your ontological identity, your teleological purpose, your epistemological pursuit of expertise is around the highest value. So finding that is one of the things I specialize in, helping people identify what they're intrinsically called to do. That highest value is also the purpose, and for that moment,

and that can evolve. But the purpose is the most efficient and effective pathway to fulfill the greatest amount of voids with the greatest amount of value. And the voids are all the things you're too proud or too humble to admit that you see in the world around you

that you're not willing to own. That's why you become yourself to the degree that you own everything. At the level of the essence of the soul, nothing's missing in you. You've had fulfillment, pluroma. At the level of the existence, you have things missing.

The things that are missing are all the things you've judged in other people that you're too proud or too humble to admit that you own, that you've deflected instead of reflected. And so I'm very inspired by helping people identify what they value most, where they have the most objectivity, the most neutrality, the most reflective awareness, the most presence,

and the most empowered state of conscious awareness. That's where we have the most, as Hegel said, it's where the dialectic comes and synthesizes where we have the most spiritual pursuit. Is there an overlap? I'm curious what you think about virtue, you, but in terms of how whatever everybody's highest value might be that they discover in life, what would you say are the qualities that lead to the most well-being to the planet? Because I feel like that's going to be the highest expression of ourselves.

Whether it's teaching or fitness, if we're doing it in the pursuit of service, I feel like we get amplified by the universe. And so I'm curious what you feel like that is. Well, each is individually as described. If you're a mother and your highest value is children and raising a family, you'll be dedicated to raising beautiful children. Rose Kennedy, her mission statement. I actually had a book given by the Kennedy family to an individual that was given to me,

and it had her handwritten mission statement in it. And it said, I dedicate my life to raising a family of world leaders. So she was dedicated to being a mother raising family of world leaders. Other people that may be fitness or exercise or building wealth or building business or serving people socially or whatever. I don't judge what it is. I don't consider any value system right or wrong. everybody projects onto others what they think is right according to their values whatever supports it

and whatever challenges they think is wrong but ultimately that's murky because in the in the world there's complete pairs of opposites just like in our body we have the sympathetic and parasympathetic that play complementary opposites so two in the human value systems for every person that's trying to build something there's somebody trying to undermine that to balance it there's a law of aristic escalation the more you get righteous about yours and proud about your pursuit an equal and opposite force comes in to keep it balanced to keep you back into authenticity. Because when you're proud, you're not your authentic self. When you're shamed, you're not your authentic self.

When you find a balance between those, you're authentic. When you were judging somebody and putting them down and putting yourself up and puffing yourself up and looking down and you're too proud to admit what you see in them inside you, that's not your authentic self. And when you're shamed and looking up to somebody and minimizing yourself and too humble to admit what you see in them inside you, again, you're not your authentic self. It's only when you see that whatever you see in them, the seer, the seeing and the scene are the same,

and you have pure reflective awareness, that you have real intimacy, that you own everything you see, and that's you, and nothing's missing in you. And now you have fulfillment loving somebody else. The divine in me honors the divine in you, like namaste. Mike drop moment. I love that because I've heard you speak to how when we pedestal somebody up, obviously we're going to minimize ourselves.

When we look down, we're going to inflate ourselves. So how in the process of actually integrating that and making that a reality where we catch ourselves when we're admiring somebody or we're feeling superior to somebody, what is the process in real time of integrating that so we can stop living in an illusion? Well, I've been working on that for a while, 51 years. the first thing is identify what specific trait, physical trait, or action or inaction, do you perceive this individual displaying or demonstrating that you admire most or despise most? And really narrow it down. Make sure it's not hearsay. Make sure it's not vague generalities.

Make sure it's not something about how you felt, but it's actually their actions. Make sure it's not transcendental because there's no polarization and judgment there. and then once you identify what the trait action and action is then you go inside yourself and you go okay john go to a moment where and when you perceive yourself displaying or demonstrating the same specific trait action inaction that you admire or despise in them inside yourself and where are you when you do it when are you when you do it to hold yourself accountable so you activate an episodic memory and then exactly who you're doing it to and who is perceiving you doing that so you can lock in with reflective awareness and also transparency where you do it so you can't deny it.

When you lock that in and you do it again and again and again until the quantity and the quality of what you see in them, you own 100% with certainty, you've now have reflective awareness and realize that who am I to judge them, I'm doing the same thing. It was Romans 2, 1 that basically said in the New Testament, it said, beware of judging because the thing you judge in them is you do the same things. and I've been doing that and going through reflective awareness like that for many, many years. And I have yet to find somebody that couldn't find that behavior that they judge. Because we only judge things on the outside that represent parts of the inside that we haven't loved.

Can you speak into how it's self-judgment really? Because when, you know, we could bring a couple examples of if somebody feels like they admire how somebody's generous or how somebody's creative and they don't feel like they see that. So you're saying have the reflective awareness to where you can see where in the past that you have, where and when in time, you've demonstrated. you've demonstrated that same quality. And that can show you how you do have that within you. But I feel like when it comes to judgment, it's tricky because it's often happening in an unconscious state. Well, there is no judgment without unconsciousness. Right.

Can't. If you're fully conscious, there's nothing but love. You have to be blind and ignorant and unconscious of some part of yourself in order to even have a button to be judging. So would you say then all judgment is rooted in self-judgment to a degree if life is the mirror? They're inseparable. We only have resentment on something on the outside that represents something we feel ashamed of on the inside that we've dissociated from and gone into a cover-up called pride in order to not deny it. And then they're the one we're judging and pointing our finger at, got three back at ourselves to make us realize that we're judging ourselves. But we're projecting it onto them with a false attribution bias and a false causality. We blame them for what we're actually feeling.

when we finally own that and then find the benefits of what they're doing and the benefits that we've done it and clear our shame we don't have any resentment to them i've had people that have been resentful to people gone in identify where they've done the same thing to same degree then gone in find out how it served people in the process and they're they went over there and hug the individual when they're done they didn't even have to go through and find the benefits of the trade because it's just a reflection of themselves how do you navigate when people feel grief in relation to how they have been judgmental or something that they've done, how do you help them collapse that? Well, if they have a fantasy that's going to be beyond judgment,

and they're not going to grow and they're not going to have judgment, well, then that's their delusion. And anytime you compare your current reality to a fantasy and a delusion, you're going to beat yourself up because you're having an expectation that you're not going to do that. But we all are going to do that because that's what lets us know what we haven't loved, and it gives us another opportunity to love some more. So we're going to grow.

If we think that we're beyond that and don't have that, then that's another pride that we just got trapped in and we're doing it at that moment. Right. I went through the Oxford English Dictionary 39, almost 40 years ago, because I realized that what I was seeing in other people and what I was saying to them, and particularly emphasizing was for me as much as them. So I decided to do a preemptive strike by going into the Oxford Dictionary, and I went through and I underlined every possible human behavioral trait that I found,

4,628 individual traits. And I went underlined it, and then I went outside on the margins, and I thought of who is it that I know that is the most extreme example that behavior. And I wrote their initial. And then I started doing the exercise. Now, John, go to a moment where and when you perceive yourself displaying or demonstrating that trade until I see that it's 100% equal to all those people that I thought were extreme. And I went and owned all 4,628 traits. And I realized that no matter what you say about me, it's true. I'm nice, I mean, I'm kind, I'm cruel, I'm honest, I'm dishonest, I'm all the above. I'm judging, I'm non-judging.

And then I realize that if I meet somebody that has similar values, They'll call me determined and perseverant and focused and dedicated. If I meet somebody with dissimilar values, they'll see me pig-headed, rigid, and stuck, and unwilling to alter the same behavior. So I'm all those based on the perceptions of people around the world. And that's what you're dealing with. You're dealing with all those perceptions. So when you own all those traits, you realize that everybody's just projecting their own

illusions onto you. And all of them are valued and all of them are useful. There's that quote, I think, from Cooley that says that I'm not. what I think I am. I am what you think I am. I am what I think you think I am. And I feel like we oftentimes live in this hall of mirrors, which is the relative human experience that we come here in this realm of duality to be able to experience the reflection of others. When you kind of zoom out and see the reflective nature of the human consciousness and relationship, how do you see that as a process of evolution? Well, as long as we don't dissociate, it's one thing to dissociate and just

observe it, you know, like a transcendental meditation and observe it, but you can also use that as an escape instead of growth, because instead of actually going in there and owning it all and being part of it, you're just witnessing it. And then you say you're not judging it, but the second you go back into it, you judge it again. So you haven't really accomplished anything except the temporary dissociation. So I'm a firm believer in transcending it by going in there and finding out how it serves. Everything is serving ultimately, or it would have gone extinct. If you look at the way things work, if it doesn't serve somehow alive, it goes extinct. So if these behaviors that we may have a moral hypocrisy about that we may judge,

it actually still serves. And my job is to go find it. I'm a believer that there's a hidden order in the world and my job is to find it. That's my, you know, when you study chaos theory and you study disorder and order and entropy and entropy, you'll see that entropy is basically missing information. Claude Chanon called it missing information. Two Nobel Prize winners got their work on information theory. So in any way we are judging, we're missing information, and we have entropy, and we have disorder,

and we're creating an impulse towards something or an instinct away from it, so we're extrinsically driven by this perception. But the second, we go in there and find both sides simultaneously and balance the equation, put the Yin Yang symbol together and have a Tao's perspective, we are automatically seeing that there was nothing but love. All else was an illusion. And the mind will automatically, if it perceives something, the challenges it, will automatically dissociate, create an anti-memory to counterbalance it to keep it in equilibrium.

And if we have something that's ecstatic, it will create a paranoia in order to come in to balance it out. The brain is constantly looking for homeostasis amongst the perturbed world, and it's constantly trying to make us aware that there is a full expression of love when we're fully awakened. So I'm a believer that love is a synthesis and synchronistic of all complementary opposites, and we go and judge and it's the only part of it instead of the whole. And therefore, we have emotional reactions and let our migula run our life instead of letting our executive center see things of judgment. objectively. And that's where we're human beings on a mission instead of a passionate avoidant seeking mechanism. The download is heavy. There is so much to unpack there. I feel it's like the journey of the matured intellect is being able to hold paradox simultaneously. Simultaneously. And the law of polarity, which I love in hermeticism speaks to how, and also you refer to many times, how relief and grief,

for example, are on the same poles of the same magnet that is loved. That's it. And so I would love for you to share a little bit more how paying attention to the polarity and the opposite of something can help you collapse it down into unicity. Well, if you're addicted to pleasure, you're going to be hurt by pain. If you're addicted to support, you're going to be hurt by challenge. Anything that you have an infatuation with, the opposite is going to be something you resent. And you're trying to separate the inseparable, divide the indivisibles, label the unlabables, polarize the unpolarizable, and live in this dualistic perspective. And what you're doing is, you're doing is, you know, you're creating a causality of separation

instead of an a causal state of synchronicity. When you see that they're simultaneous, you liberated yourself. Wilhelm Wants in 1895 in his book and principles of psychology, who was basically the father of experimental psychology along with William James, but he did it in a different area.

He basically said that simultaneous contrast liberates and sequential contrast polarizes us and makes us some bondage to our misperceptions. See, what most people do is they get caught in the law of contrast. And he mentioned this. So if you take a beaker of water,

and let's say this beaker over here is 40 degrees, it's cold, and another beaker of water that's 72 degrees, tepid, and another beaker of water that's 140 degrees, hot. If you put a thermometer in each one, they give you an objective reading. But if you put your hand in there and you hold it there, you'll go, okay, that's about 40 degrees. Take your hand out, let it normalize again,

put it in this one, That's about 72 degrees. Take it out and put it in this one. Oh, that's about 140 degrees. You'll measure it pretty accurately. But if you put your hand into the cold water of 40 degrees and take it immediately out and stick it into 72, you're going to swear that it's 90 degrees

because you now have a subjective bias because of a contrast. If you stick it in 140 and you now stick it in the 72 right away, you'll think it's 50 degrees. You'll think it's colder than it actually is. So the second you contrast and judge somebody else relative to you, your perspective of yourself just got skewed, and now you exaggerate, minimize yourself, you've lost just thyself.

You're no longer thyself. You're now distorted yourself. That's why if we compare ourselves to other people and put them on pedestals or pits, and don't put them in our heart and have equanimity and equity, we're automatically going to have a skewed view of who we are, and we're going to over,

we're going to set goals that are too big and too short a time frame when we puff ourselves up or set two goals, goals that are too small and too long a time frame when we beat ourselves up. And each one of those are going to give us feedback to set real goals and real timeframes that are real objectives. So nature is going to force us, even if we do judge back into our authentic self by the signs and symptoms of our psychology and physiology and our business feedback.

It's going to guide us back to the authenticity. Everything is guiding people to maximize their potential because of the law of efficiency. Everything that's going on in life is actually maximizing efficiency, but people aren't aware of it. And so they're basically keeping imposing moral hypocrisies and expectations. that are delusive to try to get them to live in this ideal fantasy world instead of actually honor the way the magnificence is. So it feels like the difference between responding and reacting is just that. How are you, do you feel like it is our evolutionary path to close that gap between our subjective perspective and objective reality? To be able to weather, for example,

the different water temperatures is an example to how we perceive relationships, how we believe any circumstance that's unfolding in our life, to be able to see it fully just for what it is and not distorting it for how we want it to be or how we don't want it to be. Well, our fulfillment is proportional. Because any time we're exaggerate ourselves and minimize somebody, that's not accurate. That's not accurate. The perturbation that occurs by the seeking and avoiding responses are not allowing us to be stable, stable and present and certain and poised and productive and prioritized and fulfilled.

So all of those are perturbations that are giving us feedback to let us. No, we're not seeing things as they are. We're seeing things as we have projected. Some people are familiar with you from your work initially being in the film The Secret, which is interesting. So the law of attraction and how it was kind of distorted and some things I like about the movie and what it opened up for people. Obviously, a lot of other things that I think weren't as accurate representations of how reality really works. What do you feel like the law of attraction truly is if there is such a thing and the qualities of being able to consciously create life in the way that you want it? Well, I've been fascinated by perceptions. I wrote a book on perceptual illusions and how they affected health and wellness back in 1978. And fascinated by it. We have an area of our brain, which is called the relay center.

It's the thalamus. The thalamus takes in sensory information from spinal input and also from the brainstem. And it passes through this relay station called the pulvenar nuclei, which is the front part of the thalamus. And then it goes into this corona radiata and internal capsule goes up into the cortex. As it goes up in the cortex, it basically is filtered

and gated information that's selected. And that's based on whatever our hierarchy of values are. So let's take a 35-year-old woman that's got three children under the age of five, and let's walk in them all. And her highest value is those children, and she identifies herself teleologically as a mother. And so she's going to spot in that mall, children's education items, children's health items, children's entertainment items, children's clothes, children's, you know, anything to do with the

child. She's going to filter things out. She's going to spot that. Her husband, if she's married, let's say he's business-oriented because somebody's going to be working and making money to take care of the kids. And he's now going to walk in that same mall. He's not going to see all that children's stuff. He's going to see a computer store.

He's going to see a bookstore. He's going to see a suit store or whatever that helps. and build his business. So we filter our reality according to our hierarchy of values, and our thalamus is part of that gating system. We'd be overwhelmed by infinitude if we didn't filter it out and get down to the things that are priority. So the hierarchy of our values dictates our perceptions by prioritizing things and filtering things up to get us. Now, if we live by our very highest value and we know ourselves, because our identity revolves around it, we have the most efficient filtering. And we see the highest probability of

synchronicities and things that seem to match our intentions. So the secret behind the secret left out of the secret is don't waste your time pursuing something that's not really truly highest on your value, which is authentic. That means knowing yourself. So if you waste your time on those lower-party things, you're going to think the secret doesn't work, you're going to think that I don't see all these synchronities. Everything is in the way, not on the way. But if you're living by your highest values, you amazingly filter out things and you see the

world on the way instead of in the way. So that's part of it. And then there's no doubt that we have subtle senses that we are learning as the decades go on. I mean, I've been studying neurology. I just finished a new textbook on neurology this week, in fact. And what's interesting on neurology is we didn't know about certain senses 50 years ago when I started putting an effort into the study of that. We didn't even know that we had certain subtle senses and pheromonic influences and aromatic responses. We didn't know we had quantum entanglements going on inside the brain, it looks like.

Like there's a lot of knowledge about sensory systems that we now know. And I'm sure in another decade, in another decade, another decade, 100 years from now, we'll have even more understanding. So the subtleties of what we can perceive in our environment, the subtleties of our communication systems are getting more profound. And so I'm no doubt that we have a resonation process also by what our innermost dominant thought is. It does become our outermost tangible reality. When we prioritize our motor actions and live by the highest priority and prioritize

our century perceptions and see things, no matter what happens, how it's helping our highest priority, then we are in the flow. And we start to see opportunities and take advantage of opportunities and run into the people, places, things, ideas, and events in our life to help us manifest our innermost dominant thought. So we also have our thoughts. I most everybody, we did a study back in the 80s. I did a thousand doctors offices, you know, I was consulting for them back in the 80s. And we would go in there and we'd have the patient files.

we go through all their patient files that have been inactive for six months or longer, haven't been in. And we pull them out and we divvy them up between the staff members. And we then read their file, look at their primary complaint, look about their family members' names, look at everything, and just study their file. 20% within one week would show back up in the office. Consistently. I mean consistently. Whatever we think about, we tend to have some sort of connection with. They so-and-so ran into them.

They called and all of a sudden they... Something happened and they showed back in the office. So there's no doubt that there's a resonation going on. I have my theories about it in the quantum world. I have my theories about how we telecommunicate in that way. But some of them are still murky. It happens frequent enough to not ignore, but not frequent enough to bet money on. But it's definitely there.

But 20% is a pretty high percentage. And we definitely watched 20%. And we had what they called file day. Every quarter we'd get a bunch of files out. We'd just focus on it to reestablish a relationship with the clients. And it works in business. It works there. And the same thing.

Almost everybody has thought of somebody and they go, oh, they called all of a sudden. You know, you have these synchronicities. In my breakthrough experience program, I see this every week. I had people. I was just in Istanbul yesterday. And on the weekend this last weekend, I had it in Istanbul. And people said, I just finished this exercise to love this individual and overcome any judgments on them.

And I haven't talked to them in 11 years. They just called me. Or so-and-so just, I haven't talked to them. And we broken up. but we're not talking to each other, and then they, we're now, they contact and said,

let's get together. So this happens consistently, and it's more than just probability. I mean, I've studied probabilistics. Yeah. And it's more than probability. I'm excited to dive deeper

into those energetic subtleties that you're curious about and that are still maybe a little murky and we can speculate on those. But I think it's really powerful how you just broke that down and kind of taking away this law of attraction

from this mystical forest that brings you what you want just by thinking about it to the tax brass. No, like, I've heard you say that our inner most dominant thought is going to then be our external most tangible reality and that if we go on that pursuit of clarifying what our values are and how that shapes our selective bias attention, we're going to continue to see what we want to see and we're going to see more of what we value most and what we're thinking about most. So I think you wrap that up really beautifully because it really becomes an important reminder to guard what you allow in your consciousness,

what you allow the impressions of your subconscious mind to accumulate because then you're going to start to continually to attract more of that. Well, whatever it is out there, I'm a firm believer that there's seven questions that person can ask. What is that I would absolutely love to do in life? How can I get handsomely paid to do it? So my vocation are the same. What obstacles might I run into and how do I solve in advance?

How can I get handsome and beautifully paid to do it, in other words? And then what are the action steps I can do to make it happen? And what worked and what didn't work today? how do I do it more effective and efficiently tomorrow? And how did it, no matter what happened today, how did it get me one step closer? Those are very profound questions to help you increase the probability of achieving

what your inner most dominant thought is. That's a great reminder just to pause and go back and write those down for the listeners. Yeah, those are seven good questions. Yeah. But I'm a firm believer that if you get really clear about what you want, you're going to increase the probability of achieving it. I'm sometimes, when I write out objectives,

I will spend sometimes hours on that objective, that one paragraph of exactly how I want it. And I have a master planning for life system that I do, that I'm very concise about the wording. And yeah, and I'm amazed at how the people places, things, ideas, and events surface to make it happen. I mean, amazingly. And some people go, well, that's crazy.

I had a gentleman from Stanford University that heard me speak one time in San Francisco, and he says, I'd like to, he flew all the way to Houston just to meet with me. I'd like to help you on your endeavors. And then I told him, here's my master plan book. you better get to know who what I'm up to and what I'm committed to that may not be as inspiring. You just met me at a one talk. That's just a small piece of who I am.

And afterwards, he says, this is not for me. This is crazy stuff. You're, you're willing to do stuff that, I mean, that's not realistic. What's the top thing? Well, he was, you know, I told him that I wanted to do enough of a contribution to have a thousand books write about what I'm doing. I wanted to write so many hundreds of books. I wanted to do these things. And they're happening. They're all manifesting. You know, I've done 300 books, so I'm a firm believer that you can do whatever you set your mind to. But most people don't want to believe that you can do it because they'll limit themselves, and then immediately, if they can't see themselves doing it, they'll try to bring

you back to their level to make it comfortable. But, you know, to be greatest to be misunderstood, said Emerson. So I just say, no matter what anybody says to me, I'm winning. I always know when somebody's criticizing, I know somebody's praising. If I'm addicted to the praise, the criticism is there to get me back into equilibrium. So I know how to center that. And so it doesn't matter what anybody says. The world on the outside is not what matters. It's the perception of the world on the outside that matters. For those that are listening right now, there's going to be some individuals that feel the calling to be the very best that they can in their particular field, whether it's basketball or swimming or it's business or its writing. What do you feel like is the, I mean, we kind of just spoke

into it, but the qualities of what really allows those individuals because they're so inspired that's going to enable them into such massive action to actually be able to attain being the top in their field in the world? Well, you define what it is he wanted me master at. Mine's in human behavior. I want to have the broadest and most in-depth knowledge on the planet ever in history on that field.

And so I've devoured 30,000 books just for that objective. But the purpose of that is because I want to find the one thing, as Gary Keller says, the one thing that I wanted to master. And mine happens to be the teaching and researching of human behavior. Now, that may not be a bit of, interest to anybody else, but doesn't matter to me. This is what inspires me. So I go and focus on what inspires me. What do you think about the shift? Because I felt into this as well. Earlier on in my

journey, I've kind of asked what do I want from life? And then I feel like it's evolved more and more over the years to what does life want of me? And so what do you feel like because you, as if teaching is your highest value, in some ways, do you attribute that to conditioning? Do you attribute that to a deeper soul energy that was, that like life is being able to express itself most effectively through you and your numerology and biology and how you were set up. I'm curious how you think our values kind of choose us in a way. Well, a little amoeba has endocytosis for food and exocytosis for waste. It's seeking and avoiding. So in a sense, it has a judgment. This is good, this is bad, this is seek, this is the void. When multicellular systems developed colonies and sponges,

and you salinates and things. And then you started getting more tissues and organs and eventually embryological development of a human. All of those single cells from the zygote through differentiation are basically developing and they're seeking and avoiding mechanism. So there's an inherent avoidance and seeking value support-challenging system

right from the beginnings. You're born with it. Then you're accumulating things as you go along based on a bit of conditions that you subordinate to. And you don't take on everybody's. If you don't subordinate to somebody, you don't take in their values. If you subordinate, you project your values.

So you're gathering things in the environment based on who you subordinate to and who you give in to and who you look up to and you take in information. So those are accumulating. In my particular situation, it was a combination. I was born with an arm and leg deformity pushed in, and I had to wear braces until I was forced, so I wanted to be free. I want to be out of the braces. I was also at a speech impediment.

So a year and a half I was going to a speech. speech pathologist, and by the time I was in kindergarten, first grade, I was told I would never be able to read or write or communicate and every mound thing, never go very far in life. So I had a void with learning. And then I, when I got out of my braces, I just wanted to run and I wanted to do some sort of sport. So I excelled in baseball and then also in surfing. And so I eventually left home when I was 13 years old.

14, I hitched to California. 15, I made it to Hawaii. And I rode big waves. I nearly died at 17. and then I met this teacher, Paul C. Bragg, who one night and one hour inspired me and made me believe that I could overcome my learning problems and someday become intelligent enough to read and write and speak. And so that was a void that became a realization that maybe I could overcome that.

I was convinced I could do it. And then with the help of my learning to go and read a dictionary, I memorized 30 words a day in a dictionary until the dictionary was memorized. And I did 20,000 words by memorizing words. words of today that my mom helped me with, I would eventually overcome my learning processes. And I learned how to speak by practicing speaking. You learn to play the flute by playing the flute. And I just all of a sudden just kept doing it. And since I was 18, I've been doing everything I can to travel the world and to speak. So those are all the voids that led to the

value that I have that inspires me today that brings tears to my get to do it every day. Yeah. This is what I love doing. Yeah, me too. I'm right there with you. Yeah, I can do this 12 days a week. It's a lot of days. But anything's possible in the quantum world. So, yeah, it's, I feel the gratitude and the emotion that comes up when you're sharing your story. And it feels like whatever people believe comically or energetically, like life gives us challenges that then become the way into us living a most purpose-driven life. Yeah.

Well, everything is a feedback system. And a challenge is perceptual anyway. I've had people that thought they had challenges. Can I share a story? Please. So I had this guy, and this is just about a year and a half ago. Yeah, something like that, a year and a half. He's driving down the highway in South Africa.

He owns a major company, very wealthy guy, and he's driving his fancy car. And four cars come up around him. Stop him on the freeway. Get out, bang out his window with guns and machine guns, pull him out, put a thing over his head, stuck him in a trunk and drove off, left his car on the highway, said that he needed to come up with a large sum of money, millions of dollars in order to see his family alive and him alive.

So he had a ransom. And so he finally raised the money to get that because he resisted, got beaten a bit, family threatened, finally got released and had to walk a long way and finally make it back home and gave him a large sum of money. and he'd been going to some therapist for a while, you know, post-traumatic stress disorder they gave it. All those are titles and labels at people because they don't know what they're doing, most of the case.

So I basically said, I asked him a simple question. So go to the moment when you were traumatized and you were challenged. Well, the moment they came and knocked out the window, I said, okay, and then they put in the trunk. I said, great, go to that moment. I said, what did you experience? Go to that moment and what did you actually,

let's look at your senses and all your modalities, submodality distinctions. Let's look at the senses. Well, I was in a fumed back trunk. I was constrained. I had to barely breathe and that smelled terrible. And I didn't know if I was going to live. And I felt tightened and I couldn't move.

And I wanted to urinate and undeficate. I couldn't do anything. And I was just trapped there for five and a half hours. I said, great. So go to the actual moment, one by moment, the first moment that happens. Your mind will never have trauma or tragedy or turmoil or terrible or terrible. torture without dissociating in a freeze response and creating ecstasy and utopia and euphoria and other thing excitement elation so at that moment in order to balance out the brain for homeostasis

the eI ratio comes to balance how did what was in the mind at that moment so go to that moment let's go and let's find out what the mind did and it dissociated and he was running through a field holding his children and wife's hands fresh air butterflies free liberated every psychological iconic symbol that he had accumulated from his life that was the opposite of what he was doing, his brain brought in as an anti-memory simultaneously to liberate him from this so he could integrate the pairs of opposite so he could have a moment of love, even in that moment. So in that moment, he thought was trauma. In that moment, I brought him to a tear of gratitude. He goes, wow, that was the moment I made a decision that I really loved my wife and kids. I've been so focused on my

business, so dramatically, you know, intense on my business, I've neglected my wife, haven't put focus on her, didn't to hardly see the kids. At that moment, I realized that I had been sitting on the edge and my wife was almost ready for a divorce. I was having hypertension and I was basically not taking care of my health. I'd gained weight because I was eating crap. And I, and at that moment, I got to see how much they were meant to me. And it brought me a tear of gratitude the moment I saw that. I said, okay, and let's go frame by frame by frame. I took frame by frame in the stream of consciousness.

I took frame by frame by frame and found out the opposite of whatever was perceiving. When he was through, he goes, I didn't have torture. I had torture and ecstasy, trauma and elation. Both of them were there simultaneously. I said, exactly. Your mind has systems of homeostasis that most people don't realize. They're unconscious of the other side, and they label it that, and they think it's a trauma, and they change it, they run the story and become victim of history instead of master of destiny.

So at that moment, what was the benefits of that now? He says, I got my family back. He cried. I got to know I love my children like I've never loved before. During the time I was away from my office, my team, which I've been trying to push uphill to try to take command, which I kept interfering with, I got out of the way. they rose the occasion, and during that time, my business made more money than the ransom. And now my business is running itself. I have part-time with my family.

I'm going places, doing things with them, and my business is making me more income. If it hadn't been for that experience, I wouldn't have got those things. I would have been probably divorced, undermine the thing, had an absolute crazy time with my company dividing it up. This was actually a gift. I said, exactly. I said, can you see you were unconscious? sensing intuitively that you were on the edge, he goes, I was. He says, he got my health back.

I've lost a bunch of weight because that happened. I'm now doing yoga and meditation. I'm now with my wife. We're like peas in a pod. I said, how much would you have paid to have that? He says, more. Could you have gotten that with a consultant otherwise? No.

So this is one of the greatest consultants you ever had in the case. He says, I feel like I want to go and find those guys and thank them. I said, now you're seeing things as they are, not as society has labeled. Bam. Because moral hypocrisies tend to impose fantasy idealisms about how we're supposed to be one-sided. But we don't need to get rid of any part of ourself to love ourselves. But we're trying to get rid of the side that we think is the shadow side. But the shadow is just as essential as the other.

And I'm trying to teach people how to love their wholeness and realize that you're all things. You know, you're a hero and a villain and a saint and a sinner. all polarities woven together and that's what love is. It's a synthesis synchronous of all possible behavioral experiences. And I want people to understand that, to help them empower their life. Because as long as they're trying to get rid of some part of themselves,

that's going to be the thing that's going to undermine it. And the very thing that they're going to point their finger at other people to push their buttons to keep them playing small. Wow. That was so powerful. And I can just feel all the listeners right now relating to their own trauma or challenges and how they could feel,

into that and go through that same method and be able to see how it was actually a gift. Don't let some psychologist, psychobabble get in the way of your power. I had a young boy. This boy is told by his therapist and his counselor and his teacher and his mother and all the specialists and things like that. Because he was an adopted child and because he was sort of an orphan for a while and his, you know, abandoned and they put all these labels on that. And they said, well, the reason why he's having problems because of this and they had a dysfunctional family and all that.

I said, that's so trivial. It's so dark age. I said, can I have your young boy here? And I said, yeah. I said, you know how to use the internet? Yep. You know how to get on the phone and look stuff up? Yep.

I said, let's go look something up together. I look on there. I said, go look up the celebrities, the people have made a massive difference in the world that started out as orphans. Like Sir Isaac Newton. His father died when he was born. His mother left him for a while. He was left an apothecary place for this guy to and raise that way. So he didn't have a father and he didn't really have a mother for a long period of time.

And Sir Isaac Newton was born and Principi was one of the greatest scientific treaties on gravitational forces. But I went through there and we found 700 celebrities. And then I said, looked up some of these guys and gals. And see, I said, you're in this category. And he completely shifted from being a victim of history to a master of destiny. He just shifted. He said, I am special. I've been gifted with an exact starting point that I needed to do something amazing like these people.

So, you know, we can be victims of history and master of destiny. I'm a firm believer. When people come to my program and they come to the break to experience and they want to run their story, I stop them in the story, stop the story. Let's reframe it. I guarantee you when there's stories over this weekend, you're not going to have that original story. It's over with because it's bull. It's all bull.

It's just that we've been caught in moral hypocrisy. There's a great little video online that's by a priest, and he basically says that religion's in the control business. It's in the guilt producing control business by creating a moral hypocrisy that some people are supposed to live by, but nobody can. And they're trying to be a one-sided individual, or get rid of their negativity and only be positive, get rid of the war and get only peace. But the global peace index, it's monitoring global peace and war around the planet. If you look at it very carefully, it's always balanced. But people live in a fantasy. They're going to get a one-sided world.

one-sided world. And that addiction to one side makes the other side, the subdiction. And they're splitting themselves apart, trying to get, as the Buddhist says, a desire for that which is unobtainable and the desire to avoid that which is unavoidable is a source of human suffering. So our passionate pursuit of a one-sided world is a source of our suffering. And the moral hypocrisy is breed it. And that's a way that political and theological systems can control people. So they have control and power. And if you don't empower your life, you're going to be overpowered by the external world. So I'm interested in helping people

reclaim their integration of opposites and own all parts of themselves and not try to get rid of any part of themselves and love all of it. Because if you do, you can be yourself. You can't be yourself if you're trying to get rid of half of yourself. Yeah. Embracing the full spectrum.

What you just shared to me feels like the epitome of the ultimate expression of love and, of course, still making space for the humanity in us and the suffering that is our relative experience in the moments of the trauma, of course. But then when it's decades, removed, years removed,

and even you can go to moments removed where it happens in real time. Yeah, but even the, you know, they say that if you, the wisdom of the ages without the aging process of what I'm interested in. I'm not interested in entropy and having causality and aging process.

When people, I had a lady that was in one of my programs in Houston and she was on the phone with her father and it was during a break in one of my seminars. And all of a sudden the father shot himself, killed himself. We heard the gun go off. Just shocked everybody. She just sat there and turned white and just couldn't even move. And she didn't find, I said, my father just shot himself.

And the whole room is looking to me. What do we do? I said, bring her up here. There's a process we do on how to deal with grief. Let's take care of it. This is a fresh opportunity to do this. And people say, well, doesn't she need to mourn? I said, absolutely not.

Wow. I said, the only reason people mourn is because they don't know. They don't know how to process. And we were doing it. People only grieve the loss of the parts they were infatuated with. They never grieved the loss of the parts they resented. I've done 5,000 death processes and grief processes. And when somebody comes in and says, well, I'm grieving the loss of somebody.

I said, yeah, let's make a list of what you're grieving the loss of. It's always the smiles, their conversations, their hugs, they're cooking, their sense of humor, you know, all the things that supported your values. they don't say I'm missing their farts, I'm missing their screaming, I'm missing their hair in the sink, they don't miss that. They only miss the things that supported their values that made dopamine and oxytocin and vasopressin and the encephal endorphins. So the second you make them aware of the other side and balance the equation, then they see the whole person and then you find out what's the downside of that because every trait you admire also has a downside.

You meet this guy and you think, oh, he's highly intelligent or something, but then you find out he's arguing many of. He knows it all. He doesn't listen. There's downsides. He's very good looking. But now when you're making love with him, he's looking at himself in the mirror. And he thinks he's, you know, a stud or something like that. And all the girls are doing. He's looking at them, and distracted, and he's got plenty of girlfriends. Everything has two sides. And so if you choose to be addicted to a fantasy and hold on to it, it's your fantasy that's being broken. And that's what your grief is. And so when you actually love somebody for both sides, they become and you feel there and you grace with them,

and they're not gone. And I can prove that. I've done that in settings in Christchurch earthquake. I've done that in the Ishnamaki, tsunami. I did that in another earthquake in Japan. I've done that at Kale University. They did research and we showed this. I mean, I've been doing this since 1976,

I started working on this, and I am certain that that can be dissolved. And people don't have to have grief. Nobody has to have grief more than three hours on this planet. Even right now, I'm working right now in Palestinian and Israeli people. they're contacting, and I'm showing them how to dissolve the grief of loss of loved ones and stuff like that.

And people don't know that's possible. They're so used to the program that you do, you grieve over the loss. But I first in 1976 when I was in El Salvador, surfing in El Salvador, I saw a celebration of 300 people celebrating the death of the mayor. And I went, in Greece, they wear black for two years, and they mourn. Over here, they're celebrating, and they go in the freeing of the spirit and having a party. and I thought, hmm, this is a social construct. So I've started working on what exactly is this grief and relief polarity back in 76.

By 1984, I had a model for that and it's been working ever since. It's very powerful. Yeah, there's so much there. One thing that you said that really stuck out is that grief is our fantasy being broken. Yeah. And I think that's a withdrawal symptom from internal drugs. Yeah. And it can be sad to realize that, especially in relationships and romantic partnerships,

We're often what we think is love is infatuation and that we're in love with the perception that we have of somebody and we're not actually relating to them as a being. Yeah. Most people are having affairs with a fantasy and then punishing an individual and then wonder why they won't have an affair because they want to be loved for they are.

A lot of fantasies out there. Some people will start out with the fantasies and gradually work their way to finally love somebody if they're smart. But if they're not, they just go off to the next fantasy and then think that all men are this way or all women are this way, instead of actually realize it, it's their delusion that they're being smacked. They're getting, you know, nature is basically breaking fantasies. All fantasies are designed to be broken, and you think they're broken hearts or not, they're broken fantasies.

We're so programmed to think that love is a patuation, and I'm just curious for you, is it just a process of rewiring to be able to, whenever you come into relation with another being, to have it be an expression of love and not trying to extract love, essentially. I was just with two girls having dinner the other night. Well, girls, I'm 69 years old, so girls are now 50s. Yeah. But girls. And so it's interesting.

They were having a boyfriend issues. You look great for 69, but holy shit. Yeah, 6.9. That's my best year. I think 69's the best year. So anyway, so these two girls are there, and they're talking about their boyfriends and how they, you know, brokenhearted about these boyfriends. and yet they're infatuated and this stuff.

And I said, let's go to a moment when you're infatuating and you're admiring some trait. What specific trait, action, inaction? Do you perceive this individual displaying or demonstrating that you admire most? Good. Okay, got it. At that moment, you got the vision.

Now, go to a moment when they're just opposite of that. Because when you're looking for a mate, you're not going to get a one-sided mate. You're going to get nice and mean and kind and cruel and positive and negative and support and challenge and honest and dishonest and loyal and betrayal. You're going to get them all. If you think you're going to get one and then you're not ready for the other,

then you're immature and you're not really, you're searching for a fantasy instead of a true objective that's love. So I basically showed her, go to the moment when he does this, the opposite. She goes, okay, go to the next moment that did this. We calm down there infatuation. Because when she's infatuated, she's going to start sacrificing what's the most important to her in order to be with him for fear of loss. Because whatever you infatuate, you fear the loss of whatever you resent,

you fear the gain of. And you're living in fear of your own creation. So if you go in there and find out where he's the other side, you calm down the infatuation, you reclaim your power, you start allowing yourself to have a fair exchange, and a sustainable fair exchange is what if people want in a relationship. So I made them crack their fantasy on the spot, and they go, I'm not so infaturer with him. I said, I know. And I'm not frightened of losing him.

I know. Now you're able to be objective when you're in this relationship, because you were sacrificing yourself. Yeah, I was sad. I mean, I basically gave into him on a whole bunch of things that I really didn't want to do. And I said exactly, because you're infatuated. And the infatuation isn't him. It's the fantasy you made him.

He's both of those. But you're blind. You're unconscious of the downside when you're infatuated. You're unconscious to the upside when you're resentful. Again, just so powerful. So much to reflect on there. I'm paraphrasing, but I heard Ram Dass once say something to the lines of self-righteousness is one of the last gates to the inner heaven.

And I feel like we tend to cling on to our own inadequacy. and we feel a sense of righteousness around them. And so I'm curious what you feel about self-righteousness, this inner urge to be right and how you relate to that. Well, it's an amygdala response. The amygdala wants to avoid pain and seek pleasure, so it wants to avoid predator and seek prey. So anything that challenges its values,

it wants to avoid, anything that supports its values, it wants to seek. So it has the fear of loss of pride. That's why cover our face if we do something shameful and we cover our face and show off our face if we were proud. So it's the amygla that's addicted to pride and it's subjected from shame. And it's the amygdala that's addicted to fantasies

and subjected from nightmares. So it's our migla that traps us and because we're ungoverned. But the forebrain, whenever we live by our highest priorities, the blood glucose and oxygen goes into the forebrain, activates the medial prefrontal cortex. That area of the brain has little nerve fibers that go down into the amygdala,

the nucleus of cummins and the Hibedinol. And basically with glutamate and gaba, they go in there and neutralize the impulses and instincts since we're self-governed. And we're not impulsive. searching for a fantasy and, you know, instinctual to avoid a pain. So if we live by priority, we have less probability of pride and shame. We're more humble.

We understand both sides. We realize we're a hero and villain. We're not denying ourselves. We have more reflective awareness. When I went through the dictionary many years ago, almost 40 years ago, and I saw that I had all the above, I go, so who am I to rise above or below? I've got it all. And that's fulfillment.

But our society wants you to get rid of half of it. You're supposed to be nice, not mean, kind, not cruel. Your grandmother goes along and tells you as a child right now, be nice, don't be mean. Be kind, don't be cruel. Be positive. Don't be negative. Be generous. Don't be stingies.

And then she goes and beats grandpa five seconds later. And stays, where's the money? You know, it's hypocrisy. So the moral hypocrisies are what most people are trapped by. And they usually come from politicians and theological background. Because if you're not governing yourself psychologically and physiologically and having autotelia, which is an internal. feedback system, realizing that everything that's going on in your physiology, psychology,

is teaching you your mission in life and having homeostatic focus, you're going to be governed by the external world. Anything that's not governed from within gets governed for that. So anytime you're basically in judging somebody, you're going to be outside governed, politics and religion are going to run you. That's mass media, social media, instead of master media. The master media is the perennial philosophy that stood the test of time, which is symmetry to proportion and order and pure, elegant, mathematical expression. of the perfect balance of life. Yeah, I want to go into Nogentropy in a second here.

But I do want to touch on one thing, which is when we were talking about this in the human experience, how we relate with other individuals. And then we also look on the macro scale. It's interesting that you brought up the Peace Index, that that's roughly been balanced because it feels, definitely, especially if you tune in online, like it's World War III is upon us. Things are getting extremely heated and understandably so. What do you feel about as awakening and the awareness on this planet is growing?

the light of the awareness is growing, so too does the opportunity for the shadow that that cast. And so it kind of has to grow on both poles, right? So how do you see that balance? A particle of light has no real antiparticle other than light. It's the particle and antiparticles. Paul Dirac in his principles of economics in 1947,

he basically described that if you take a photon and put it in a cloud chamber, you get a positron electron. The world of pairs of opposites is in the fermion world, not the boson world, as they say in physics. with that area, that's where the polarities are. So peace and war, there's external peace and war, and there's internal peace.

Internal peace is when you embrace both external peace and war. When you see that there's an order to them. See, right now, recently you had, I think, 10,000 or 20,000 rabbis sitting at the wailing wall all joined together in the biggest thing, all working towards peace. And there's groups of people over the world, you know, meditating on peace around the world as war is going on. But if you look, if you really look carefully, you're going to see peace and war are always balanced. And the global peace index measures 99.7% out of 23 parameters.

And every 99.7% of the population is governed by 23 parameters that are determined whether there's peace and war in a country. And it measures it. And every year it reports what's going on. And it's always fluctuating around a mean of perfect balance, a balance of peace and war. If you go to look at Europe in the last 1,000 years, there's a video online. You can go on, and it shows the border walls changing through Europe over the last thousand years. You can get one on different parts of the world, but just a European one.

And you'll show that there's about 5,000 different little wars going on during that time in 1,000 of them. There's wars going on in peace and war going on all times. You have a sympathetic nervous system for breaking things down, catabolism. You've got a parasympathetic for building things up, an abelism, build and destroy. we're designed for both and maximum growth and development occurs at the border of it.

If we get anabolism, when we get support, we become juvenile-dependent. Imagine if you give somebody support, support, support, and they have no accountability, no responsibilities, no challenges. They become juvenile dependent

and they're not ready to handle life. And what happens is they have gluttony and they overeat and they get parasympathetic overload. And if you get sympathetic, you get, you know, the parasympics, the predator that's now attacking, you break things down, you get eaten,

you get emaciated, You need both. And maximum growth occurs at the board of support and challenge, the peace and war. So love is the synthesis of that. That's why the person you love, if you look at it, sometimes you think they're killing you and sometimes you think they're saving your life. So they're building you up and baiting you up. If you come home cocky, they're going to bring you down.

If you come home humble, they're going to lift you up. They're going to do whatever it takes to keep you authentic. And everything on the planet is teaching people be authentic. When a culture gets proud and thinks it's superior, it gets nailed. when it goes down, it gets humbled, it gets lifted up. And right now you're seeing global dynamics escalating on showing peace and war on ever greater scales. So we're going to have peace and war going on regardless

and in our own life. I was speaking at a peace conference in Austria, and there were 200 leaders there. And I asked this question, this is a peace conference. Everybody's living in a fantasy of one side. And I basically said, I said, how many of you here at this peace conference? and there's media there, the Dalai Lama's there,

there's a lot of interesting characters there. And I said, how many of you have moments of inner peace? I'll put their hand up peacefully. The whole room had their hand up. I said, how many of you have moments of inner turmoil and conflict? And people were looking around to see if that was okay to do that in a social setting. Social pressure. And they kind of was like this.

And I said, I certainly do. And the second I did that, people start pretending and then the whole room put up. I said, so you have moments of calm and moments of turmoil? They go, yes. I said, okay, isn't that true? Yes. Can you admit that? You're living in a fantasy here

because we're a bunch of people trying to promote this one-sided world and this is a conference so you don't want to show them that you have conflict? Is that what it is? You have to facade right now. You're repressing a part and suppressing it. Yeah. I said, now, when you get married and you find your mate,

you get totally, finally get total peace, don't you? And of course, they start laughing. And they go, but you have moments of peace and then moments of turmoil. I said, how many of you have a mate and have moments of peace and moments of turmoil? And they all go, yes. I said, when you have moments of peace,

you sometimes go humpy, pumpy, and you end up having a child. And when you have a child, would you agree, you have total peace then? And everybody started laughing, go, no. I said, no, you have moments of calm and moments of turmoil, moments of peace, moments of inner conflict and challenge and agreements. I said, good. Now, when you get with your

family and your sisters or brothers family at a family reunion is their total peace, no, you have a complementary opposite values in a family. The summation of all the values in a family cancel each other. So you have a brother or sister that's like your antiparticle. I said, they have a different value in what you think is important. They don't think is important. I think it's silly. And so these are all pairs of opposites. I said, now can you see there's both times of calm and times of turmoil and the family? And they go, yes. And at work, you have times of calm and times of turmoil and clicks and groups that have support and challenge? Yes.

Where is world peace supposed to happen? Come on, get real. It's necessary for us to grow and have both support and challenge on ever greater scales. And the people that have internal conflict are the ones that want an outer peace. And the people that have internal peace like to stir up things and be tricksters to people. They like to joke and stir things up. So these are two pairs of the human nature, why we have a sympathetic and parasympathetic, why we have mitosis and apoptosis, why we have anabolic and catabolic, why we have reduction

in oxidation. All pairs of opposites are necessary. And the synthesis, that is what love is. And love demands transformation in order for us to evolve in a world that's transforming in an astronomical environment as we go around the Milky Way, we must have build and destroy peace and war mechanisms in order to evolve. And that's what evolving is. evolution is transformative, not one-sided. It can't have built without destroy.

You can't have a building built without destroying some part of nature in order to build that building. So renovation and rejuvenation and innovation all come from a build and destroy mechanism. It feels like this perspective that we've been exploring is incredibly liberating and it can be held simultaneously while honoring the suffering of somebody's experience, right? It can improve both. The suffering is the inability to see both sides simultaneously. You know, I have people that have been gone through all kinds of things, like the guy in the trauma or whatever person that's been beaten or whatever.

I take them and I go into that moment. I had a lady in London, I was 16 years old. Well, she was 19 when I met her, but she was traumatized at 16. She's standing on a corner with four of her friends. And one of them was a boy that she kind of had a crush on, and the other just friends. And it's on a kind of a sidewalk where there's a little bit of a knoll, and then it goes down to the street.

There's a curb there. And they're smoking pot. And they're just sitting there. And they're teenagers, 16 years old, doing, you know, getting high, whatever. And all of a sudden a car comes up and a guy rolls down a window and he says, we're lost. Can you help us find the street? So the girl walks down, this knoll down.

And when she gets down close, she gets really close. Can you say that again? And he grabs her, opens up the door. door and grabs her and tries to pull her in the thing. The tall guy that she had a crush on reached and lunged for and grabbed her legs and they were dragged literally down the street. And finally they let go of her and she scraped on the sidewalk. And I said, so she's traumatized. She's got three years of anxiety disorder, taking medication, put a label on it, victim of history. Trauma. I said, good. Go to that moment. When you have that, what did you perceive? I was being held

down. Good. At that exact moment, who was trying to lift you up? the boy that I had a crush on. Okay, good. And they were yelling and screaming at you and pulling you, forcing you and constraining you. Yeah, who's trying to set you free? My friends and my boyfriend. I went in and put the pair of opposites

and her perception in balance and put them until each moment got a tear of gratitude, which is a moment of authenticity. When you have a eureka moment of aha, the gamma synchronicity is in the brain fire up and there's a synchronicity that goes on in the brain. It's a balance.

of the autonomics. It's an autonomic regulation. And it's a sign of authenticity, knowing yourself. And I basically went through each of those frames, just like I did, the guy that was traumatized, supposedly by this attack. And when she got through, she was not traumatized. She didn't have a label.

She realized that she had an unconscious motive to get the guy as she wanted and she got it. And these people helped her get her goal. And she realized that. And she wasn't even angry at them now because she's realized that she got her objective. That guy stayed in terms. entire night, right, took her to the hospital, was there for her, went home with her,

stayed there at the house, made sure she was safe. They've been together and they haven't been apart since that time for three years. And she goes, I got my boyfriend. So she, she started out that that was trauma. Everybody labeled it trauma. Everybody labeled that's a challenging, terrible event. No, it's an event. It's an event. And if you buy into the event and put a label on it, you'll be trapped as a victim of history instead of a master of destiny. I can ask new sets of questions. The quality of your life space and acquire the questions you ask. If you ask new sets of questions, I can take that same event, transform it into something you're grateful for and get on with your life, Master of Destiny. So I don't want to label

something. Suffering, if you look at the word passion, it comes from patia or pasio, and it's a Latin term. And it means to suffer, right? Most people don't realize it can find your passion, get passionate, have compassion. What it means is to have suffering and have suffer with somebody. But the only people that suffer with somebody are people who have also been wounded that haven't neutralized and balanced their own experience. So they're sympathizing with the person. They go, oh, I understand because I'm still suffering. But that's not masterful life. Going in there and finding out the order to it and liberating yourself from it and finding how it's a moment of love.

And then helping people objectively come to reason in their own experience is transforming the suffering and helping people actually getting on and be fulfilled. And that's why Emerson said in one of his quotes and says, I like to hit them with rough electric shocks and break their delusion of suffering and help them see the magnificent, the hidden order that's in the apparent chaos. Beautiful. What I got from that is, and I'd love to hear if you agree, that suffering is our inability to perceive the balance of opposites. That's it, at the same time. And that's what the brain is doing. The brain, we've been taught so much misinformation.

It's not that we don't know so much. We know so much that isn't so. Paul Dirac said that. and that started me on a new journey way back when I was 18. What exactly is a hidden order in our apparent chaos? You know, Einstein did a great thing, and Leibniz did something amazing. He had 20 of his students in his class, and he said, now, here's a piece of paper. I want you to write 20 random dots on it.

Just 20 random dots, but know the sequence of the dots. So put them in sequence and make them as random as you can. and then he turned in the piece of paper and he put a Cartesian grid on an X and Y axis on it and then he looked at all the dots and the sequence of it and he wrote a formula the function of X relative to Y and then handed it back and let him chart out the thing and they came up with that sequence

and they go how did you take our random event and found a hidden order and he says well I'm a mathematician that's my job that really stuck in my brain at 18 years old reading his book on discourse of metaphysics then I started to look at Einstein's his work on brownian movement. And if you take ditch water and you find this little debris in it, it moves around in these

brownian movements, these random movements. And if you only get it down and filter it out and you only have one movement, you can actually trace that movement to figure it out. You put two in there. It's harder to discern, but you can trace it out. But there's factorials. When you have two, it's two times more complex. You have three particles.

You have six times complex. Four, it's 24 times complex. Five, it's 120 times complex. Six, it's got 720 times complex. by factorials. So the mathematical idea of entropy is a mathematical progression. So the complexity is so overwhelming

that most of our algorithms don't know how to do it. But Stephen Wolfram and the mathematician said that it's the boundary of our comprehension that's labeling something entopic and labeling it. And actually there may be negentropy, but we called entropy because we don't know

the algorithms yet. But we look back in the last 60 years since I've been doing this, 51 years and studying, the number of algorithms have taken things that we once thought were ran. are no longer random. And so in other 10 years and 20 years and 100 years, things we think are random may not be random. My mission has been how to find the hidden order in the apparent chaos since I was 18. So 51 years of research on that. So let's dive a little bit deeper here. Since we're here, there is the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy that across the era of time, things will continually progress into more and more chaos. And the alternative centripe or negentropy is going to be the arrow of time going backwards from future to past. And so how do you see that there is an intelligence?

You can perceive it that way. And there's an intelligent mind in all things that is orchestrating not just from order to chaos, but chaos to order, because obviously we're all here. And it took a lot of order and intelligence to get to this point. Well, Funtapi, Luigi Fontopi, talk about this many decades ago. He believed that there was a balance of those and that we just don't see it. And when they first started to come up with entropy back in Closius and thermodynamics, the second law, they thought that life was negentropic.

You know, Urban Schroderner 1935 wrote a book on that, on what is life. It's negentropic. It's the opposite of entropy. But they assumed that we were going negentropy temporarily in a system run by the sun that we're getting energy from, but the sun is going through entropy. So therefore, the overall thing is going through entropy, but we tend to be far from equilibrium, thermodynamics, and going temporarily into negentropy.

So they just ruled it out and said it's still entropy. That's the ruling law. But then they started to find out that the solar system had order. And they said, well, where's that coming from? Well, that comes from the galaxy. Well, then the galaxy, they found out had hidden order in it. They were self-organizing systems. So then where's that coming from?

Well, that comes from the galaxy clusters and the super galaxy clusters. Okay, where's that come from? Well, that comes from the Big Bang. Okay, where's the Big Bang come from? Well, there was just order. And it runs out of a little, it kind of dead ends. And it's a mystery we don't understand. We don't know the origin of it because there's something that has no time, right?

That's the theory anyway. But this is a cop-out. And now, as you see, oh, two and a half weeks ago, they announced a new law. They just acknowledged a new law in biology. Now it's basically challenging entropy, just two weeks ago. So I've never been satisfied with entropy. I do not believe that that's the final. story. And Wolfram also says it's basic computational boundaries, and it's our computational

boundaries that's keeping us in the belief that there's entropy. And we are basically in a mechanistic, materialistic, basically physicalist view, a reductionistic view that's making us think that. We're afraid of the other, because it's almost teleological. And teleology, because it's been associated with pseudo-religion, has been a negation from science, because we have to make it empirical. But empirical has all kind of illusions. There's over a hundred, 180 biases that affect empirical studies, but we still have this bias towards that, the empirical bias. So we use that. We assume that's it, and that's the best we got. But I don't think that's the full answer. And I feel certain that in another century we'll have even more, a higher boundary at where we are on computation, and we'll see hidden order in more and more of the chaos.

So I'm a firm believer that as the centuries go on, that law will be eventually kind of changed. changed and modified into a balance of entropy and negentropy. And that life and death you might, because one's called death physics. Entropy is death physics. Negentropy is life physics. Those two have to have a balancing act. And they will.

I think they will. I think our model right now of cosmology, the so-called Big Bang is absolutely incomplete. I wrote a big textbook, two-volume textbook on cosmology and debunked it with 179 refutations on the Big Bang theory. But that's what's popular. And it's like a religion. and it's what's popular in science.

So what is your view on, like the panpsychist view, that there's an intelligent living mind within all things and also goes hand in hand with hermetic philosophy and the first principle of mentalism. On mind. Yeah, all is mind. There's challenges when you get down to the quantum level, but even Freeman Dyson,

who used to be at the Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton, who I've spent time with, he believed in a pan psychic universe. The list of people who are in panpsychics are pretty impressive. There's a good thousand, names I could rattle off on a pan-psychic world. So we can't prove it or disprove it yet, but we certainly can't completely rule it out. I really believe that there's something there,

and I believe that the farther we go, even Nuk Montagu, whatever his name was, the guy, the Nobel Prize winner found the virus, HIV virus. You know, he was doing work on memory of water, water memory, and they thought it was crazy and thought it was wild. But he found out that some sort of fields around DNA were given off fields, and it was stored in water, and that maybe that's occurring. I'm finishing up a textbook right now on the origin of life again. And another one,

and when we look at the hydrothermal vents and the compartments of sulfur hydrogen and iron compounds in order to create the first RNA and this and that, all those models, if you take Luke's work and put water in there, there's a common denominator, water, maybe there's a field in there, and maybe that field is more universal than we realize.

And so then there may be a panpsychic field that's there. So I can't rule it out yet. I can't say that's what it is. I can't rule it out. But I do believe that our materialistic view is basically curtailed right now and it's got a boundary on it.

We have to keep open. So what do you see is the cross-section because you've studied so many of the ologies, right? And what is the correlation between the potential hidden order in cosmology and the hidden order in human behavior? Because I know you studied the intersection. They're the same principles. Same thing.

You know, I would say that we live in a universe within an infinite number of pairs of opposites at all scales of existence for eternity. And there's no beginning or an end on it. The idea of a beginning or an end is partly our own projection of our own finite thinking of our amygdala. Our cosmology is limited by our own thinking.

Just like religion, if you study religion, if you look at it, start out a geomorphic, went to zoomorphic, went to anthropomorphic, and it goes on and on and it's basically our phobias and our phobia's, our philias and our dissociations from what's frightened us to creating these artificial systems of religion. But ultimately, it goes through the development of the brain until it reached the most abstract level of the highest IQ, which is pure mathematics of expression. And even the mathematics that's a symmetry of all pairs of opposites.

That's the highest religious construct. If love is a synthesis synchronous of opposites, that's the ultimate religious experience. But that's also the ultimate science experience. The symmetry of opposites is which the particle accelerators are helping us realize. true religion and true science i don't believe fight it's a pseudo religion and the bias sciences they fight that's a powerful reminder because you're applying the scientific approach to human behavior in many ways as you do on the cosmological scale as well and um i i feel and i feel like many people do in the next coming decades in century that there will be somewhat of a more unified

understanding of science and spirit and that they're the same is the same thing. I don't think there's any real difference. You know, when you meet somebody and you resent them and you puff yourself up and proud and you project your values on them

and try to live in your values, you have futility. And so the futility humbles you to come out of the pride and go back into authenticity. When you look up to somebody and put them on a pedestal and infatuate with them and you're conscious of their upsides, unconscious of their downsides, and conscious of your downsides, unconscious of your upside,

and too humble to admit what you see in them is inside you, you're blind and ignorant of both. When the process of doing it, when you look up, you eventually get resentful to them because you've sacrificed futilely to them and built up resentment to eventually go, I want my life back. So nature automatically has built in systems

to make sure we're brought back to the true self. And knowledge, when you're infatuate, you don't know somebody, when you're resentful, You don't know somebody. You only know somebody when you really love somebody and see both sides simultaneously and are poised and present and productive and powerful and prioritize and really present and purposeful at that moment with him. That's when you know somebody. So you don't know somebody until you love them. So I'm a firm believer that that's the ultimate omnipresence, omnipotence, and omnipotence is love.

That's the ultimate objective. The journey from judge to lovement. Lovement. The journey from... Why not? It's the integration in the mind to make it happen. The transcendental spiritual experience is still a mental equanimity. It's equanimity of the mind.

It's an objectivity of the mind. It's synthesis and synchronous of the mind. It's the dialectic and it's simultaneous dialectic. No matter what we call it, no matter what our language is, it's still the synthesis of the mind because it's our mind that's giving us our experience. The journey from judgment to love, I've heard you speak to the kind of three qualities that make even possible for us to judge, for example, an action, an action or a trait. Do you want to speak into anything there as well?

Because that's a very powerful reminder. Yeah, after going through millions of people taking them through the judgment process, we've narrowed down to those three things. It's a physical trait. I admire or despise their big nose or their ears or their butt or their boobs or they're this. There's physical traits that they go. When a guy and a girl meet each other, they're ruling people in and or out based

on these physical traits. that's a judgment and we i like those teeth i don't like those teeth i like those eyes i don't like those eyes there's a physical trait then there's also some action they did with their motor actions and inactions too much or too little of some motor action or inaction commission omission we judge in law commission omission so it's traits actions in actions physical and characterological traits as well right well character a breakdown character it's one of those three your behavior is your behavior is a movement right It's a behavior.

When you judge people, you have a false, anytime you're proud, you have a false causality that you assume that with your actions, you have caused through somebody else's perception, more advantage and disadvantage, more positive and negative, more gain than loss, more, you know, advantage to them than disadvantage. The same you do, you have a false causality, because they actually had both pain and pleasure in your action, and they may not have seen it, you may not have seen it, you're both under illusion. They're going to blame, oh, I'm so happy when I'm around that person. And these people, oh, I'm so good.

And these are delusions. And the same thing, when you're ashamed, you're assuming that you cause them with your actions, more pain and pleasure, more loss than gain, more negative than positive, more disadvantage and advantage. And if those people buy into it and you buy into it, you feel ashamed and they feel resentful. And these are all illusions. And that all those can be neutralized by asking quality questions and hold you accountable. Accountability has been able to ask the questions that allow you to liberate yourself from those emotional bondages, those false causalities, false attribution bias. which was called the karmic wheel in Buddhism. That's all the carmic wheel is,

is the causalities that we falsely attribute to ourselves or from other people. And so when we actually see them simultaneously, and there's nothing but love there, and they're perfectly balanced, we're on the Darmic path. That's the path of the Bodhisattva, the light.

The path of wisdom. Path of wisdom. What is wisdom in your eyes? It can obviously be cultivated, irrespective of age, I feel like. Yeah. Of course, experience will give us opportunities, to reflect and cultivate that wisdom.

You may not be distorted by being raised. You may be at a young child and be more aware. And then you get taught that which isn't so. Yeah. As long as you touch that timeless place within you, then you have access to wisdom, right? And so is there anything else you want to share and how wisdom can be cultivated irrespectively?

It's the same as what I'm describing. Wisdom and love are inseparable. If you look at my cuff links, they say wisdom and love. Love it. I was told when I was 14 years old I met Howard Hughes and Howard Hughes told me that there's only two things

they can never take away from you is your love and wisdom so dedicate your life to the love of wisdom and the wisdom of love and he told me learn how to read because I had learning problems and so that's

I'm loving wisdom or what I'm up to philosophy. I love it yeah lover wisdom philosophy beautiful well there's so much

to unpacking this episode that I'm just like I'm so excited to go back and watch it myself some other questions though I do want to I do want to ask before we wrap up what is God when somebody asks you that what does the word God mean to you

well that's an interpretation based on the level of the brain function of people are in it if they're in their amygdala it's going to be probably geomorphic zoomorphic which would be plant or animal based or anthropomorphic animal to human based and there's a gradation there because when we were frightened at one time

the thunder you know frightened us and we had gods for the thunder and gods the lightning and gods for the rain and gods for the desert and dry and we have gods for everything there are thousands of gods that are extinct today we went from all these pantheistic polytheistic and eventually down to a few so-called monotheistics so these are just brain developments and they're basically associations from things that frightened us and seeking for the things that we think are going to appease that so we're going to pray for that which is unobtainable and try to avoid that which is unavoidable and these are stages of awareness when we actually are fully aware

and the brain and we see both sides of things, we see that we need the predator and the prey in order to evolve. So we find the benefits of the predator, and we keep that in check. And that's, I learned from a martial artist. A martial artist in Cardiff, California, I was staying in Cardiff for a while. And this guy said, I'd like to study philosophy under you, and I'll teach you martial arts. I said, let's have a good swap. So he said, here's the first class. And he stood in front of him, and we bowed to each other. And he said, I want you to try to kill me. And I said, I have no desire to kill you. And he says, then you have no desire to be my students.

And I said, well, I have to kill you to be your students. He said, well, you have to try. And I said, okay. And so I didn't really want to hurt the guy. But I was under the illusion I could. So I decided to punch him, right? You know, real punch. And when I punched, it's like the whole world went into slow motion.

He grabbed my hand, turned it, threw me off balance, pulled me up on my tippy toes, and pulled me forward and kissed me on the cheek. And then put me back on my feet. And I was going, okay. Now, at first, I didn't really want to hurt him. But after that, I had a tiny bit of the, like to get him, you know. So then I decided I'd do a forward kick, right? And when I did, he grabbed my foot, turned to the side, grabbed it, pulled it off balance, made me hop, grabbed me, grabbed me,

grabbed me, kissed me on the cheek. I thought, well, maybe he's a gay martial artist. So he pulls me forward like that, puts me back on my feet. Now I decided to do a back kick. And the same thing. No matter what I did, he just maneuvered me and kissed me on the cheek and put me back on my feet. And I was getting more determined to want to try to get this guy, right? And he said, first lesson in martial arts.

He says, to a neophyte, you perceive attack. To a master, you see an invitation to dance. So when you're prepared, there is no predator. or pray. You've transcended the pair of opposites for a moment. So can we obtain that? Yes. Can we sustain it? No. Is there somebody that thinks they've obtained it? No. Don't buy into people that are gurus thinking that they've obtained it. That's an illusion. They're just human beings. People get trapped in that. But I just stop to think about it. On the planet, no matter how much you know, it's an infinitesimal. And whatever you know,

that's why Soccer is considered wise because he knew that he didn't know. If he zoom out enough, So you realize that you don't know. And what you don't know is vastly more than what you know. And so when you go to the center of the sun, you realize that little planet is insignificant. Whatever you know there is not a whole lot. And to the super galaxy cluster, Lankea, and even beyond the greater tractor, that's nothing. So you know nothing. So that's why Einstein said, live with holy curiosity and continue to keep humbling yourself and keep learning and keep growing.

So I'm thirsty for wanting to continue to tomorrow. Every day is an opportunity to learn some more. And it's never ending. And I don't have a desire to be done. or be enlightened or any of that stuff. I'm relatively aware that's it. And a whole lot of ignorance. Yeah.

So I say anything I don't love is still my ignorance. And so my job is to learn how to love that and find the love in every event. Because we go around and we put all these little morals and structures on it, which are all man-made. And we put things that this is bad and good, the devil in good and all that. None of that's there. That's just an illusion of the mind. It's a Maya.

But actually taking the time to ask quality questions to see both sides simultaneously. is liberating, and it keeps us at the forefront of continually wanting to expand our consciousness. And I'm interested in that, the evolution of human consciousness, not the definition of here's what's right and wrong, none of that. It feels like as our circle of knowledge grows, so too does that perimeter of ignorance. And that actually brings humility to the pursuit of you can still grow and learn a lot and still realize how much you don't know. Yeah, I had a guy interviewed me one time.

He says, when did you become enlightened? And I said, did I become enlightened? Where did you get the illusion I was enlightened? I said, I have a relative awareness based on what I know. And I'm an absolute idiot when it comes to technology, how to do a cell phone fix. You know, there's something, cars, I haven't driven a car in 31 years. I don't even know how to, I couldn't even tell you what cars are on the room and how to drive them today. I'm completely ignorant in things that are lower in my values.

And I have specialists that I delegate everything to. I only teach research right and travel. Everything else is delegated away. I don't cook. I don't clean. anything. I've surrounded myself with people who love to do the things I'd like to delegate. Anything that requires an external motivation to get me to do something, I delegate. Anything that's intrinsically an inspiration to me, I fulfill my life with.

That's powerful because that area of fulfillment, it feels like the more that we develop mastery and that which we value most will equate to how fulfilled our life is. So any... Whatever you do that, you can't wait to be philanthropic. It's really injured. When money without meaning leads to debauchery, money with meaning leads to philanthropy, you have a desire to want to contribute and inspire other people and invest in inspiration and contribution instead of rescuing desperations. I have no interest in rescuing desperations. I'm interested in inspiring inspirations. So good, man. Thank you. I'm just digesting, integrating a lot of this. I feel like we'll have to continue to run this back because I could literally sit here and speak with you for 12 days also. This is like my highest excitement to be exploring these areas of, of conversation. And it seems and it just resonates so true to me that this is, the life path that you've chosen to live is an extreme alignment with what life wants of you.

And therefore, you're getting the reflection for so much more philanthropic work and impact and service. And it's just so cool to see the continual evolution of that. Is there, is there something that you want to, that you've claimed for your life that you want to create at a bigger scale while you're still in this life? What's like your biggest vision for humanity. Well, I just have a desire to teach, research, and write, you know, chopwood, carry water, teach research and write and travel the world. I've been to 194 countries speaking. I'm still got a few more to go. I set that as a goal when I was 17. I'm still working on that. I'm going to keep researching and writing and teaching and writing books and doing presentations

and interviews and whatever way I can disseminate knowledge. Every possible way to disseminate information. I've identified it and I'm movies, radio, television, podcast, whatever it takes, I will share information. I spend doing that seven days a week. I hope to do that at least until I'm 100. Yeah. It feels like it would be good note to end on as well, which will also be valuable for the audiences. I know you keep very clear metrics about every area of your life and how that's very powerful when you know the score of where you're at in your life, you can actually take aligned action to increase it. So what are those areas of life that are important for us to Well, I believe that I've broken life into seven areas.

I believe we have an inspired mission, which is a spiritual quest, whatever that is, it's highest on your value. I believe that we're here to wake up our genius and contribute innovative, creative, you know, regional thinking to the planet, something from the core of your own being. I believe that we're here to be of contribution and service and have a sustainable fair exchange and some sort of transaction with people so you can give and take and have realized that you're contributing. I believe that you're here to master finances and not be a slave to it and have money

working for you. So I learned a long time ago to take whatever I earn and put half of it into investments and then put it into things that contribute to quality people. I don't gamble with things. I just put it into high quality companies that serve people. And I believe that we're here to have a global family dynamic. I don't see myself in a little house and little place. Yeah, I live on a ship that goes around the world, as you know. And so I'm going to every country. The universe is my playground. The world is my home. Every country is a room in the house. Every city is a platform to share my heart and soul. I have a global family. I'm never away from anybody. People go, well, so-and-so's left me, and I'm all by myself.

No, we're living on a planet. It's a big house. They're in the other room of the house. Instead of walking and talking, I zoom and I, you know, communicate through other means. It's just a relative perspective on space and time. And socially, I believe that, you know, you want to be able to make a contribution. At the end of your life, did you do everything you could with everything you were given? You want to be able to say, absolutely.

And so I wanted to make a contribution. Meet amazing people, do amazing places, go to amazing places, do amazing things. with amazing people. And so that was mapped out. And if you don't map up your life, you're going to live by duty, not design. And I think most people are sitting there disempowered, basically taking drugs and removing organs.

And I'm a firm believer that your body is designed to do something amazing. If you're living authentically, it rallies. So I'm a firm believer that those spiritual, mental, career, or vocational, financial, family, social, and physical, all areas, any area of life you don't empower people overpower. So I'm a firm believer in empowering.

I wanted to exemplify that on planet Earth. Powerful. So just to recap, that was the seven, can you riff them off again? Spiritual pursuit? Yeah. Mental, vocational, financial, familial, social, physical. Beautiful. Powerful to track where you're at within all of those.

A couple quick questions. I know you could probably unpack these at length and at nauseam, but your relationship with psychedelics. Can you share your journey earlier on in the show? that happened with that? Well, I had a psychedelic experience when I was in my teens. I haven't touched any psychotics or drugs since I was 17.

Once I learned what I could do with my own mind and just exploring them with my mind, I had no desire for any more psychedelics. But it was an experience. I'm glad I got that experience in the 60s, but I have no desire today. Yeah. I just remember hearing a rough story,

which we can say maybe for another time, but you meeting an individual that taught you the power, meditation or introduce you to that. Yeah, I was sitting at Haleiva, North Shore of Oahu. We were stoned. You were a teenager? A teenager.

And I was sitting there with a guy. We were chatting him. There's a little dog named Root Dog there. And we looked out over the knoll at the beach. And on this beach, we saw this guy doing a yoga headstand. But the knoll was in the way. So all we could see is from the chest up. Yeah.

And in our state of consciousness, we thought, did that guy come from space and doof into the ground? We thought, wow, that must have hurt. You know, we're in an altered state. This guy's just doing that. And we're looking and we're going like, that guy's upside down. He's stuck in the ground. His head's in the ground. You know, what do we do?

And we're just kind of freaking out by this. And all of a sudden we see his feet curled down from a yoga position and he came up and he put his hands up like this. and he was facing directly at us. And he walked directly to us and sat right before us. And we're like, you know, if we put our hand like this, he disappears, you know. Yeah. And he goes, you guys high? And we're like, yeah.

He goes really high. He goes, yeah. You know, he's like an ego. I'm hiring you. You know, kind of stuff. And he goes, you guys want to get high? And he goes, okay. He says, meditation, man.

meditation is higher than anything else. And so that stuck in my head. I thought, that's interesting. It wasn't very short after that that almost died, and then I got sent to a meditation class. And so once I learned about the power of my mind and the power of the questions I asked, had no desire for drugs after that.

Never have touched a drug since. Wow. The last thing that I want to ask is because you're somebody that I'm perceiving as just like bursting with life force energy, and I feel like when you live a life of alignment and you devote yourself to it, you get that universal energy to support you in that process. As you raise your vibration, I feel like life reveals to you what is also on that plane of existence. Have you had any wild

mystical experiences with extraterrestrial or energetic visuals or something that you haven't shared before? I'd be curious to see. I've had synchronisticies. I was meditating in Pasadena, Texas while I was going to professional school. And I was just in this meditated state with tears and and all of a sudden I got this strange multi-car crash. I mean, like, whoa, just took me right out of the meditation. Like, whoa, what's that? And I thought, that's weird. I'm in a meditation.

Why would my brain resonate with that? I thought that's strange, and it kind of shook me. You had the experience of like a car crash? Yeah, like I saw this, I saw all these cars that did a big pile up of this multi-car crash. And I thought, what a strange thing to have during a meditation. I never would have imagined that of the meditation. Never happened before. And so I broke my meditation, and I thought, okay, I'm sitting here.

It's probably around 6, 30, 7 o'clock at night. It's just dark. And I decided to go and get a bag of peanuts at this little store around the corner. Now, where my apartment was at the time, you couldn't see the road. It was in the middle of a complex. As I walked down there, and I walked in, I came back out to eat the peanuts. And down the road, about 400 yards, was sirens and red lights and standards. with sirens and red lights and stuff.

And something about it lured me to want to go down there. And I walked back down there, and I walked right to the position that I saw in the meditation. And I thought, wow, that must have occurred right at that time. That pileup must have occurred right at that time, and that must have somehow a sound from the impacts or something must have gotten to me or something. And I came up with this idea that there was a multi-car pilot.

And there it was. literally 400 yards or 450 yards away was this car pilot. So I've had these synchronous awarenesses, you know, people are going to have things happen. I think most everybody's had some that are so associated, so closely associated, it makes you pause and wonder, how did you know that? How did you get that? A premonition of whatever. But I can't say that that runs all the time and I have any, you know, super psychic experiences

or, you know, and I haven't had any experience of terrestrials. I had a guy that said he had a terrestrial experience, and he had a bunch of friends that had these experiences, but I felt like I was left out. So I thought, maybe I need to go out in a field and bend over and put my button here and hope to get probed or something, you know. But nothing ever worked, so I can't say I've had that. I've been studying exobiology for years.

I was actually tried to be a special mission to astronaut at NASA for that at one time. But I haven't seen anything other than possible bacterial exobiology, far. The rest of it is questionable. I'm open to it. I just haven't seen anything that's solid. Yeah. And I'm waiting for something solid. Yeah. I love that. I definitely feel like those extrasensory perceptions can open up as we cultivate on our journey and deeper, even energetic, subtle. Who knows how they manifest. But yeah, I just don't want to exaggerate. Totally. I, you know, I'm too dense, I guess, to have those really amazing experiences. But I have, I have definitely had some synchronities that are pretty, you know, mind-blowing and something that keeps me in pause of thought.

I mean, I've had a few, and I've written them down in a document. I keep records of them just in case there's some pattern that shows up over time, but they're far in between, that are more authentic for me. Well, I definitely think that the most miraculous thing is recognizing the magic and the mundane in an everyday life and finding, you know, finding the beauty and everything that isn't necessarily those high extraterrestrial extra sensory perceptual things. Is there anything else you want to share with the audience before we wrap up? Just whoever's listening out there.

Hi, everybody. Give yourself permission to be yourself. Why be second at being somebody else? Why not be first to being you? The magnificence of who you are is far greater than any fantasies that you will inject or impose on yourself from outside infatuations with others.

So just know that whatever you perceive in other people you have within your heart. yourself. Don't play small. Play authentic. Don't play big. Just play authentic. The moment you do, you automatically spontaneously tend to expand your space and time horizons. And the magnitude of space and time in your innermost dominant thought will determine the level of conscious evolution you've attained. And so you'll continue to expand. And once it's outside your day, a week, a month, a year, you know, a decade, a generation, and a life, welcome to an immortal legacy that you have offered the world. You can bring to the world. So give yourself permission to be

the most magnificent you and a legacy will be born. This might have been one of my favorite podcast has ever done. Honestly, thank you so much for sharing yourself today. This has been so profound and it's such a pleasure to get to know you and share this energy. No, thank you. Appreciate the questions. I don't get these questions all the time. So great. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, everybody that's been tuning into this episode of the Know They Self podcast, please let us know what resonated most. You can find Dr. John D. Martini on, is it Dr. JohnD.martini.com? Just Dr.D.martini.com. Great. So people can find, you guys can all find more about him there and we'll leave links for things in the description below. I appreciate you for coming on this journey. Let us know in the description, in the comments,

on the Q&A on Spotify. What most resonated with you? What was most impactful? We love hearing those stories when you reach out. And until next time, be well.