Know Thyself - E75 - Gabi Kovalenko: Old Soul REVEALS Our Holographic Universe, Power of Consciousness & Quantum Healing

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Gabi Kovalenko shares her unique perspective on growing self-awareness, wisdom, and finding our true selves. At just 23 years old, Gabi reveals her inspiring journey of self-discovery and the invaluable wisdom she has acquired along the way. As an old soul, she brings a profound understanding of life beyond her years and offers profound insights that transcend conventional perspectives. Gabi shares her unique perspective on the holographic nature of our universe, the transformative power of consciousness, and the incredible potential for quantum healing. She emphasizes the importance of transcending our limited viewpoints and explores how this act of expansion can contribute to healing the global wound of separation. Through her own experiences and observations, she sheds light on the transformative effects of embracing a broader awareness and the positive ripple effects it can have on both individuals and society as a whole. For anyone looking to start and grow a THRIVING podcast - Check out our comprehensive Podcast with Purpose Course: https://www.podcastpurpose.com/ ___________ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro 2:21 Transcending Our Limited Perspectives 10:58 The Origin of Narcissism and Our Inner Turmoils 19:38 The Most Effective Way to Heal Trauma 26:17 Reality as a Mirror of Consciousness 30:37 Spiritual Ego vs True Integrated Wisdom 38:49 Gabi’s Childhood: Growing up as an Old Soul 50:28 Transitioning From Knowledge to Deep, Embodied Wisdom  1:00:36 Sharing Your Own Unique Expression & Gifts 1:07:41 Exploring The Mystery of Consciousness 1:17:21 The Future of Humanity: Awakening The New Earth Within Us 1:24:35 Conclusion ___________ Gabi Kovalenko is a rising transformational thought leader with a vision of inspiring global change through individual empowerment. By unfolding human potential with a quantum-physics-based look on reality creation, Gabi shines the light on consciousness and expands perspectives to create room for personal and social change. Her approach revitalizes spiritual concepts by offering a refreshing take on the wisdom that connects people to their inner truth and purpose. She is a holistic healthcare practitioner currently pursuing a Ph.D. in natural medicine and a business degree. Gabi's passion lies in inspiring a fresh awareness of life that replaces limiting beliefs with a new ideal of joy, passion, and freedom to build the world of one's choosing and contribute to the collective shift towards peace. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gabikovalenko/ Website: https://www.gabikovalenko.com/home YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@gabikovalenko ___________ Download André's FREE Book Recommendation List: https://www.knowthyself.one/books Know Thyself Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ Website: https://www.knowthyself.one Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKg Listen to all episodes on Audio:  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927 André Duqum Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/ Meraki Media https://merakimedia.com https://www.instagram.com/merakimedia/

Everybody is going through an individual path, but the path back home is the same for all of us. If you're trying to create change in your future and you still perceive your past as something that you're a victim of, you become a prisoner of your reality. Any person that's going through a healing journey usually goes back to their early childhood and starts to see the connection between everything they're currently trying to navigate in their life and an early childhood experience. What I'd like to help people realize is that you don't need to battle your past or transcend your trauma by way of going into it and trying to transmute every little element that you didn't like about your past. that if we live in a quantum universe, the way to transcend trauma is to understand. I want to talk a little bit about as we grow spiritually, the ego can be very slippery and actually it's essentially the same situation, same drama just played out in a different way, different manifestation. Spiritual ego is a very interesting concept that in some cases,

spiritualists, they move into their own world in which they separate themselves from reality and they think that that is experiencing enlightenment. For as long as we have people that are hiding from their true sense of self, sheltering their soul. We're not going to have a truly integrated society. What do you feel when you tune into the collective and what's coming in our lifetime? I think there's going to be a real split that it happens. Hello, beautiful beings. Welcome back to the Know Thyself podcast where every single week, we get the honor and privilege to sit down with a brilliant mind to learn more about the true nature of self and the world around us at deeper and deeper levels every single week. Our guest today

is a transformational thought leader, a spiritual teacher, a content creator who's really doing her best to bridge awareness in the realms of spirituality, philosophy, and science. Gabby Koblenko, thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be here after watching your podcast, being inspired by so many of your guests. It's really an honor to be sitting in this chair today. Yeah. There's so many avenues in which we can both explore. And it's been cool to see some of the messaging and content that you've been putting out there. And where I want to start today is that perception is the faculty that is fundamental towards how really, you know, everything affects our life. Our perception is our reality. And as somebody that speaks

to awareness, consciousness, and perception being such an important thing to gain deeper awareness into as it affects how we navigate this world and our life experience, I would love for you to share about just the importance of questioning our reality and opening up and going on the path of opening up our perception to greater and higher consciousnesses. Wow, what a wonderful start. Perception really is everything. I like to talk about consciousness as the ground of all being. To understand who we are, we need to understand we're actually vehicles of consciousness.

We are these fractals of source, the one universal mind, experiencing itself in one individuated fractal of itself. So to understand our perspective, we can start to see that this is actually source, observing reality through our individual lens of awareness. So when we change our perspective, we change the way that source experiences itself. That also means that we change the energy surrounding our entire experience of being. We change where we allow into our field, which means we change the output of our physical experience. So people realize as soon as they start to go on a spiritual integrative quest for deeper awareness,

very often their perspective changes on their past. As soon as that happens, they're immediately perceiving their present reality totally differently. And this is a very interesting thing to tap into when it comes to inner healing, to understand that when we look at our paths differently, we look at ourselves as the observer of our experience, which changes the entirety of the simulation. So it's kind of like in the double-sit experiment. Like as soon as you observe that, you know, the particle,

it turns from the wave into that particular, that photon of light, which is solid in nature. If we perceive our past in a distinct way, we start to perceive our present or future as continuing on that spectrum of our own consciousness. But what's fascinating is that as soon as we change our perspective in any shape or form, we start to implement this energy of change, which changes the entirety of our experience.

So very often when someone looks at their future in a way that is deterministic in nature, thinking that the past gives birth to the present and hence the future, there is no ability for differentiation to occur. You quite literally are trapped as a victim of your past conditioning model, which means that if you're trying to create change in your future and you still perceive your past as something that you're a victim of, you become a prisoner of your reality. There is no ability to sculpt your perspective,

because you're still conforming to the model that you were this person that had a solid perspective forming as a result of the past that you couldn't really create. So very often why people can't change their perspective is because they don't understand they have the power to do so. And there's deeper subconscious programs which usually underlie our entire experience of being. Those programs surround our sense of self,

our identity, how we feel about ourselves, what we expect in reality. It's usually it has to do with what our parents told us about us, what society conditioned us to be, how we felt as a child gives birth to our entire experience of what we can be feeling and experiencing in reality. And so very often when I meet a person, I look at them as an inner child. I like to look at somebody as a template that was once programmed many years ago, but there's like a dual self that's existed deep within the individual.

That inner self is the pure unadulterated fractal of source. There's a part in every single person which has the ability to perceive like source consciousness that can move into a fluid sense of identity, where there is no one could, cookie-cutter mold of the self. The self is everything. And in that way, we can tap into deep states of empathy. We can have compassion for everyone and everything. We can adopt different perspectives to change our state of consciousness and feel like we're really just a vehicle of awareness, in which case we live in non-duality. We can live in this transient state where we're just truly observing reality and not even responding to it in a dualistic way, which means we're simply

that observer. We're choosing to be that element of source, which is observing just like God would, which is loving and fully integrative in nature. But usually we don't do that, right? Usually we're stuck to one egoic mind. And so what creates that egoic mind? What actually shapes our perspective? It's that multitude of factors that we don't even consciously prescribe

in our experience. It's stuff that underpins our sense of self coming from our childhood. It's everything that we once were taught about who we are. It's what was instilled to us in school. It's the love or the lack of love that we have experienced. And all of that either nourishes our sense of connection to source or severes that connection.

And so when it comes to, can we change our perspective, usually comes down to how connected to the self as a concept of the universal one are we really experiencing? For most people, if I were to ask them, what is your sense of self? They'd be clueless. They'd be like, well, you know, I'm this job, I'm this identity, I'm this person, I'm a family man, I have a car, I have a house,

I do all these materialistic things. But really, if you were to eliminate those materialistic variables, if you're not your job, if you're not your family or your partner, Who are you really at your core? What's left? When you can't look to the external variables that prove your sense of self, some people feel totally empty. They feel like there's nothing to support their sense of individuality when it comes to eliminating their attachment to all things externally of them. And so when it comes to changing our perspective, again, I think we need to understand what is our perspective of ourselves? Can we view the world in a loving way that is free of attachment? Can we perceive ourselves as this vehicle of change or do we feel like we need to be one version of ourselves? So when it comes to personal development, we need to look at the individual as somebody who's either conforming to this past template of what they thought was reality, or are they this individual that's open to fluid change? Are they open to accessing higher states of consciousness by eliminating the connection to the self, almost embodying the no-self? And that's the experience people have when they do psychedelic adventures and they, you know, maybe try ayahuasca or do a mushroom journey. and they experience this sense of melting into the one,

which is usually such a loving, deep and beautiful experience, just because they're losing the attachment to all the falsity, all the conditioning, all the biases, everything that is really not genuine about the character of their sense of self. And so when it comes to how can we tap into those new perspectives, we need to question who are we really at our core? What if all of this stuff that we believe is our reality, all these labels that we prescribe ourselves,

all these things that we think we have to be attached, attached to? What if all of that is only present because we think that's the only way to be? And maybe we can choose to question our notion of what even is real? Are we really these people that we have constructed ourselves to be in this like avatar game of our simulated experience? Or maybe we're just a soul that's trying to maneuver through reality in a way that's either loving or is a bit confused because we didn't receive that experience of love. So that's where it all begins. I think if people can't perceive the ability to change, it's because they've forgotten their soul in the mix. And they're too busy living a reality that they think they need to be experiencing

because that's their human self looking for conformity or maybe complacency given what they have been able to achieve materialistically. So I think we should talk about that deeper quest for how can we tap into the soul? How can we clear that slate by just understanding? If we are consciousness, we can create any experience we want to create. So why not create the most loving, integrative, and beautiful experience by just realizing that we don't need to live in this duality. We're actually not trapped by anything unless we think that we are. In turn, we're just creating that trap for ourselves. So much that we just opened up there that can because by the rest of this podcast and we will diving into and breaking up for people to digest. First off, that was really eloquent and beautiful

explanation to a question that you just opened up the cosmos to. The realization that ultimately what we're most a victim to is a perspective of our own circumstance. We've had countered countless individuals throughout history that have been through enormously challenging difficult situations that have been able to, like Victor Frankel, been able to completely change their perception on how this is happening to me, why this is happening for me, and from that, you completely change from victim to creator consciousness. And that becomes a powerful shift for no matter where you're at, whoever's listening to this, whatever challenges you're facing in life, that you can shift the perspective of what happened in your past is something that was actually

a challenge provided to you by a higher consciousness, by your higher self. And to adopt that perspective that it was actually for you in order for you to develop the strength, the patience, the compassion, the empathy, whatever was the challenge, the antithesis of that to then come back into, you know, collapsing that within yourself, it feels like you start to, and it's a great exercise, even what you brought up to like write down all these things of who I think I am. Like my name, my cast, my creed, my ethnicity, the color of my skin, my body, all these things that I identify and to really see are these things actually me. and as you start to break those down further and further, you see that there's actually, that none of them are you and that there's actually an essence that you can only attribute to the real you. And it feels like at the very bottom of that, the deepest illusion that we hold outside of all the narratives of our past

is the illusion of separation. Yeah. That's so well put. So I want to dive a little bit deeper into that because the belief and it's an unconscious kind of way of really operating more than a conscious thought process that we are separate from all life and that all of the war, all of the terrorism,

all of the hate division, bigotry stem from that core root belief of we are not one of the same. Right. Right. That is so profound. And that's everything. Imagine if everybody in this world

would just realize that at their core, they're all consciousness, which means everyone and everything is just an extension of the one. That means that if you perceive somebody is separate from you, you're perceiving a part of yourself

as separate, or you're creating internal division, which is projected externally in that way. And we can easily understand why anybody, let's say who's a perpetrator of abuse or suffering, where that inconsistency or discontinuity in their own consciousness exists, which compels them to be creating that division outside of them. It's easy to see how every person who's creating that degree of separation or pushing others away from themselves are really just battling this inner turmoil against their own sense of identity. And we have to think about where does that come from them? What's the origin of that experience? And it all comes down to, I think, it's the early childhood reality of either feeling separation or not feeling it. And this was very interesting,

because any person that's going through a healing journey usually goes back to their early childhood and starts to see the connection between everything they're currently trying to navigate in their life or transmute or transcend and an early childhood experience, where either they were programmed to believe they deserve whatever thing they're currently going through, or the antithesis of that. Either they believe that they are stuck in some paradigm, which can't be transmuted because they don't have the power to do so. And so I think that what's really profound to think about in terms of the absence of separation is really just oneness. It's just tapping into the field, the quantum field of all possibilities exist in the higher dimensional realm.

When we tap into the state of the inner child, which is going through the journey of learning individuation, we begin this life experience by seeing our mother actually as God. If we think about it, when a child is born, they're in this very dualistic environment. the first time. They leave the safety of the womb and all of a sudden they're exposed to the elements of reality. It's painful. The first inhale is a painful one, right? The child cries and starts to express the need for its needs to be met through just expressing physical pain and discomfort and hoping that a parent will be responsive to those needs, in which case the experience of safety is born. Child needs that experience of being held, being nurtured, to have the oxytocin

release to feel like there is love present. It's very neurochemical and primitive in nature if we look at it at that level, but also there's a deep program if we think about the experience of being of an individual is connected to the information matrix of their consciousness. For example, it begins before we're even born. If a child is being conceived in an environment in which there's no love, let's say the child was not wanted, maybe the mother contemplated having an abortion, or wanted to have a different gender of a child, or something went wrong, or maybe there's disputes in the family, before that child is born, there is something that that child is experiencing subconsciously which creates resistance toward the sense of self already. There's a feeling that

he is not wanted, he is not needed. There's a feeling of premature unsafety before they even have a chance to encounter the life experience. And so many people are experiencing trauma where they don't even understand why it is that they feel so unsafe in reality. Why is that they can't accept love or receive that love is possible when they just transcend this illusion of inner discomfort out of a lack of self-love? And that might come simply from an experience of you not feeling loved even in utero. And what's crazy is that we can actually start to transcend that program by first identifying that it can most severely be trapped in our consciousness on that level of subconscious expectation. What do we feel that we deserve based on what did we or didn't we receive?

So if our mother turns out to be God in this way that if she's providing the experience that we need to feel loved, if she's meeting our needs adequately, then we start to experience a healthy sense of self. Basically, the child needs to be going through an experience where they feel like they become source because they're receiving love through connection to their mother. They go from a feeling of total oneness to the split reality in which if their needs are met, they start to feel like they become God. They become the receiver of all that love, that light, that consciousness and awareness through connection to their motherly figure. And so if that isn't being achieved, then the separation really becomes stark. And that child starts to feel like they can express their

needs, but they're not going to have their needs met. So they experience duality in this very dark and confounding way. They start to feel like it doesn't matter what they express if they don't receive love. There's something deeply within them that means they're not worthy of that love, which starts to lay a deeper template in regards to if they express anything, if they're their authentic self or if they're vulnerable, they're not going to be able to have their needs met in life. And so very often narcissism is born in that time. When a child is vulnerable and their parent doesn't hear them, doesn't acknowledge them, doesn't see them, that child goes through a split self. It starts to realize that if they're truly expressing who's

they are and what they need and what they feel, the reality is out of pain, which means they start to associate their authenticity with the state of separation or pain, which then means that every time they choose to be authentic, they deal with the counter-effect. They deal with the clash against what is, and starts to create this program within them that means if they choose authenticity, they choose suffering. And so they choose to don the mask. And so very often it's before the age of 10 that narcissists become narcissists, and there's many different types of narcissism.

But I think the important thing to realize here is that that's what really gives birth to the separation in the collective. That what causes people to breed separation and duality is the feeling of they can't really be themselves. They can't really associate with their own souls. They need to be more in the egoic mind. They need to be creating a facade and illusion, separation from themselves in order to prove the false identity. But what's really going on in the inner world of a narcissist is there's just a lack of a sense of self. There's no ability to empathize and they can't really experience. true love because they create a split from that ability to be truly tapped into the source of

that connection because they simply did not experience it. So it's very sad that many people, if not the majority of people in today's world, have some heightened a degree of narcissism simply because they're not able to connect with themselves. And this world makes it so easy to lose our connection to self because we have technology, we have social media, we have so many distractions and matrix conditions that really test our ability to choose non-duality and to to stay resolute to who we really are, as opposed to to fit in and just choose conformity, and losing our sense of self because it seems more convenient to dawn the facade. But what's interesting, too, is that everybody's on this spectrum of empathy and narcissism,

that these two things are actually existent on a continuum, that if you choose to integrate self-love as a concept of being non-dual in nature, choosing to be authentic in spite of the environmental reaction, maybe even realizing if you didn't have your needs met as a child, it does not mean that you need to be choosing this maladaptive mechanism of being fake, or choosing to prove your identity through attachment, through doing things that are false in nature, choosing to focus just on hyperachievement,

or on being very much focused on your appearance, or doing these sorts of things that seem to prove that you love yourself, but really in reality you're just hiding the inner void. So for as long as we have people that are hiding from their true sense of self, sheltering their soul, and trying to prove that they are this individual that's really just the projected avatar. It's everything they think they need to be

to gain love and validation and approval, which is really conditional in nature. We're not going to have a truly integrated society. We're going to need more wars. We're going to need more duality because that's just projecting the inner reality that most people are facing, which is this inner child boo-boo,

a reality in which they don't understand they can be meeting their inner child halfway and understanding how can they express fully? How can they choose authenticity and love, even in spite of what they've experienced in the past? So those deeper childhood beliefs that get deeply embedded in our body, in our spinal cord, in our gut, that then become the illusion that we live. If we don't feel like we inherently deserve love or connection, then we're going to create an illusory reality where we are attempting to garner the appearance of that connection. And whether it's hedonic pleasure seeking or materialism or, you know, many different partners, there's so many different ways in which we can.

could try to externally create the appearance of something that we're intrinsically feeling the lack for within. And so getting deeper into those trauma wounds and those inner child boo-boos, I think are the words you being able to gain awareness is the first step. And then what have you found is the most effective modalities to actually transmute from the unconscious to the conscious, bring it into our awareness, embrace it, and then actually integrate it. Yeah, that's a deep work of really knowing thyself, I think the point of this entire experience. So what I'd like to help people realize is that you don't need to battle your past or transcend your trauma by way of going into it and trying to transmute every little element that you didn't like about your past, or identifying

every little time when you didn't feel loved, going back into that experience, reliving that pain and being stuck in this feedback loop of your own unconsciousness. That sometimes what I've seen is that people that try to relive their trauma actually end up in a heightened state of that pain. And sometimes people go into different therapeutic methods of trying to understand the trauma, but by doing that, they get engrossing the experience of being a traumatized person. They can become almost associating their identity with the trauma and feel like a victim of their past, such a degree that it becomes counterproductive. In order to understand how we can really become consciousness, we need to understand the concept

of a quantum jump. That if we live in a quantum universe, the way to transcend trauma is to understand what is the version of you that is existing outside of the trauma. What is the part of you that isn't even bound by the trauma? And the way to do that, I think, is by realizing what is your soul choosing to experience in this incarnation? That if we're on a soul's journey and we chose to be in this particular time and place, and let's just assume we chose all the variables in our reality, usually the things that we blame as the causes of all our trauma, all of our unconsciousness,

all the people in our lives that we can't forgive, that we can't let go of that feeling of pain towards, are people that we unconsciously chose. So usually people can experience profound resistance towards at least somebody in their life that created a serious degree of trauma. What if that individual is the biggest teacher in your reality? What if you chose, your soul programmed the experience of them needing to be there in a time when you lack the free will to select that particular individual as maybe the most important player in your game, to create the lesson which will allow you to ascend as a soul when you start to realize the real reason for that lesson to be present? So for example, many people that are dealing with a lack of self-love, There's somebody in their life that did not acknowledge them when they were in that authentic state of being.

So that individual needs to be understood as the person that taught the template of conditional love. When you encountered that person that provided the experience of pain as opposed to pleasure and acceptance, they taught this notion that some people aren't going to love you, some people aren't going to appreciate you, and that we can choose to either split off from our true sense of self to create the facade, to play the game against ourselves so as to create a false sense of security, like you said, or we can choose to move lanes. We can choose to transcend and maybe even hop timelines in order to experience a different reality

in which we choose ourselves and we choose truth and non-duality above all other variables. Sometimes we have to, you know, encounter many different trials and tribulations before we realize that we can actually be choosing differently, that if we're associating with the wrong kinds of partners, the one kinds of people, where we might actually be reliving the trauma

by thinking that that is what we need to be experiencing, where so many people are stuck in some toxic cycle, of either the same kinds of difficult relationships, or they're an empath that's constantly being abused, or they're attracting certain conditions and making certain mistakes that make them think that they're just destined to be experiencing these things. And that's the aspect that is just our major blind spot,

that if we think we're destined to suffer, which can eventually take people to the point where they hate God, and they think that the universe is against them, and they come to this conclusion that everything is unjust in reality, simply because their connection to source is tainted. They're not seeing, that they can choose to maneuver their consciousness in such a way that they reconfigure the entire

programming model in their subconscious mind, in which case, God can become good and on your side because you're just choosing to become source, which is freeing yourself of all of those karmic limitations. Really, our relationship to our past, present and future has to do with how are we choosing to entangle with those karmic lessons that we were choosing unconsciously, that we may be programmed before we came down here in order to test our inner resolve. If we choose to navigate those lessons by seeing that we can choose to forgive, we can choose to let go, we can choose to find ourselves loving with our authentic sense of being, and choosing to reconnect with source in a way that it's truly pure and childlike in nature, where we find our

curiosity again, like you said, when we ask the deeper questions, and just ask ourselves, who are we really at our core? Why are we here? Usually those existential questions provide us that reconnection to the entire field. And when we do that, we start to receive the clarity from our own higher self, which can inform us on how can we heal? How can we transmute that pain? How can we start to see that we're not trapped here?

We are guiding ourselves through an evolutionary path of deeper learning, which requires full acceptance of our experience. For as long as there's a lack of acceptance, we can't transcend, we can't move forward. And so so often people end up trapping themselves just because they can't see that there's actually a way to just provide yourself the freedom of integration, making that decision to integrate and accept all parts of your experience, and even what's happening on a macrocosmic scale, to understand your role in this reality.

That's what really gives you the gift of creation, realizing that you're here to uplift the collective by transmuting your own inner blockages as those two things too are entangled. Just like Einstein said that we can't solve a problem with the same level of consciousness that created it, you're providing, and I think it's important to just reiterate that it's important to pay attention to what state of consciousness you are

as you're going within, because if you're coming at the problem while you're so close to identified with it, then you're not going to have the distance that you need to actually observe it for what it is and reframe it with gratitude and compassion. And so it's really important to be able to create space from those. And I also think there's value on the inverse of fully feeling the feelings as well. So I think there's a contrast of both ways actually being able to provide context for whatever

our internal identities and suffering that comes from it is. And with that, we can start to view the trauma, the challenges, and then also the real daytime in our waking life, all the triggers that we experience is opportunities to grow deeper into our own awareness. And I feel like that's a really big shifting point as you start to actually embody this. Then when a breakup happens, you lose a job, there's some sort of difficult thing, then you're not jumping immediately into why me and the victim consciousness, but rather you're open to the perspective of how life could be actually giving you this as a a necessary challenge for something that's even greater coming in the next stage of your evolution.

Right. That's so well said. I like to see reality as a mirror of consciousness. I really like this concept. In which case you can see that every relationship is also a mirror of your consciousness and everything that you manifest is also an expression of what you are allowing yourself to be experiencing. And if you start manifesting things that you don't like as part of your reality, it's worth considering what is it that you don't see about yourself that is causing you to keep manifesting the same things. that if we want to transmute any aspect of our life, we first need to come to terms with what we have already created. And so what can happen, too, in this spiritual realm that we exist in, a lot of people are compelled to be doing this work because they have a certain expectation for how they want things to change.

They think that maybe if they transmute their trauma, they're going to be able to have a happy relationship or have a better job or abundance is on the other side of learning the law of attraction or things like that, where people can get still stuck in this conditional, deterministic way of being, where they seem to assume that if I do this, then this will be the output. I'm going to be a happier person because I change this aspect of my reality. But I think even that is a certain box we need to emerge out of. That happiness and true abundance and connection to our soul is more about not the experience of what you're doing, but how you're being and experiencing reality. If you choose to embody a different kind of perspective in all things, which is like your initial question, you can have more of a rich experience of being with less. You can

choose to manifest more without that focus on what you need to be manifesting to be happy. For as soon as you attach that need to have something in order to be a certain way, there's kind of an obstruction there. And your consciousness becomes contingent on the state of doing or becoming more of itself, which is kind of a consciousness trap in and of itself. How can we just be okay just right now? Where the healing journey begins with just melting into this experience and realizing your soul chose this exact moment, and this is the collapsing of the entire

wave function of your consciousness, just to learn to be, to fully be still, to realize where it actually is your awareness, where are you placing your energy? If in one day we have like 60,000 thoughts, like where are those thoughts actually being tuned? How are we tuning our mind and our brain is a holographic receiver of information to either be on our side to be creating more peace, more tranquility, and creating a frequency of true love, true inner alignment, or are we choosing to be the antagonist in our experience? Very often there are these blind spots where we still think that we don't have the control over our mindset and something is missing. There's still a lack of awareness which is creating this obstruction in our field. And we then blame all these other variables

outside of us because we think we don't have control over our experience. And so it's easy to say that there's certain things, of course, we do not have the free will to control, but we don't necessarily need to have that free will. I think free will is really the matter of our perspective. It's if you can learn to be really adept at tuning your perspective, it doesn't matter what happens in life, you can choose to be the fluid identity behind and beneath the experience. You can always choose to accept. You can always choose to integrate. You can always choose to see meaning. You can choose to make peace and make love, not war, and do these different things as just choosing to be a non-dual expression of yourself. And that's the most important choice when it

comes to going through a personal development journey. Choosing to let go in those ways changes this carmic program that's even kept in your cells, in your body. And that transmutation leads to immediate shifts in reality, where if you change one thing about how you see yourself, all of a sudden people see you differently. All of a sudden, your relationships totally shift. Or maybe as soon as you change your frequency, you kind of quantum jump into a different state of your consciousness. Your reality shifts in such a way that you can no longer uphold the variables that once were present. Very often, because of that shift, we change our diet, would change our lifestyle. People need to change jobs or they change relationships because that past partner or experiences did not align

with your current template of consciousness. And so if we choose to change our states of being and consciousness, we become a particle existent in a different world, almost in a higher dimension of ourselves. If we can get there, we also experience no fear when it comes to change. We're no longer attached to what is.

We're not in that very 3D experience of needing what we have and being secure only because of our fixation to what is. We become instead just a vehicle of awareness, and we can be channeling, we can be receiving downloads and visions, and just have fun in life, like we're that inner child embodied in the adult self, which is creative and harmonious and

very loving in nature. So we see the world very differently just based on the state of consciousness that we operate in. Wonderful. Yeah, I loved all that. I want to talk a little bit about the shift from this kind of westernized view of spirituality as a journey of accumulating more and more information to and also going into like the Western New Age spirituality of acquisition and the wardrobe and the language and how we come across in viewing that as spirituality versus actually coming into deeper awareness of who you truly are and the shift of both, you know, and how they both intercorrelate because there's also the, as our light shines, so too does the capacity for us to believe that's who we are and like the shadow that that casts. And so as we grow spiritually,

the ego can be very slippery and actually just putting on spiritual clothing. And it's essentially the same situation, same drama just played out in a different way, in different manifestation. So talk to me a little bit of that shift. Yeah. Spiritual ego is a very interesting concept because it connects to what you said about separation. That in some cases, spiritualists, they move into their own world in which they separate themselves from reality and they think that that is experiencing enlightenment.

that if they've come to a conclusion that now they're separate and above everybody else, because they've chosen to disconnect from the matrix, or they've chosen to embody certain practices or techniques that place them in a non-dual state, is that non-duality actually a paradox in and of itself, in that if they're choosing to be non-dual, they're choosing to separate themselves from what is, which is another prism of duality that they're applying to their reality, that if we've chosen to be human, there's a dualistic aspect to all of this in existence.

And choosing to be in a dualistic playground means that we have to choose to be both, to acknowledge the physical and the metaphysical, to not disown any human aspect of this experience. Or sometimes people go to the extreme of choosing to disconnect from their body, or they choose to be not attending to their appearance, or say, I don't need money, and I don't need to do these human things, and I'm just going to be meditating 30 hours a day, and just choose to live in this very separate form of reality. If there's disconnect, if there's anything that you're choosing to separate from, that's not a truly spiritual state. So the way that I see spirituality as true integration. It's connecting both worlds. It's choosing to see that duality can be

perceived in an accepting way to make it more non-dualistic in nature, which means that there is no spiritual identity that can be achieved if there's separation happening. Spirituality can be achieved only if you see how you can use spiritual accepting values to own your human presence and make balance happen in the material world. For example, there's a brilliant story of a man named Michael Roach who spent like 20 years or something like of that nature meditating in the Himalayas. He meditated with Buddhist monks. He was taught to be a spiritual master. And he was convinced, you know, he was in this world of non-duality and everything was beautiful.

But that was only for as long as he was disconnected from the Earth plane. So some of the Buddhist masters actually told him, all right, your next challenge is to go back to planet Earth, go to New York City. We want you to start a diamond business and make a million dollars in your first year. So the guy's like, okay, challenge accepted. This is an interesting test of spirituality. So he comes to New York with like $7 in his pocket and starts trying to create a business. And it gets to the point where in a few years his company is generating, it's a multi-million

dollar company and he's actually succeeded in this ability to integrate spiritual practices but also make magic happen in the material world. To me, that's the perfect example of true spirituality. It's not just being able to talk the talk, but also walk the walk when you're using what you learned in the spiritual sense, maybe through disconnecting from the earth plane, in order to make balance happen and to even manifest in the true 3D matrix. Another example is this woman named Susan Shumsky, who went through a similar experience. She meditated for many years. She was in the Himalayas with Buddhists, and she comes

back to also New York City, happens to be. And I actually, I had a chance to see autographers, and I was very young. I was in this expo in New York called the New Life Expo, which is a place for a a lot of spiritualists to meet and scientists and woo-woo folks, but very interesting minds sharing their experiences. And she said that, verbatim, that when I came back to New York, I realized that for 20 years of being in the Himalayas, I was still a classic white bitch and nothing actually changed at the core. So it goes to show that you can try to separate from your human self.

But when you're tested again in the matrix environment, that proves everything. Are you choosing to still love your surroundings? Are you choosing to love your neighbor? Are you choosing to forgive? Are you choosing to deal with chaos in a way that is orderly when you're actually tested by that experience? And I find it kind of interesting that my soul chose to be born in New York, which is possibly for that reason. But I grew up in that environment. And a lot of people, when I mentioned I'm from New York, they're like, what?

How did you grow up in New York? That place is crazy. It's chaotic. It's wild. And that energy feels like home to me right now. And I think that's also very interesting. I have a shamanic friend. He's a shaman.

He's like 70 years old. He's been in the city for most of his life. And he says, I have many friends who are shamans that live in New York City, and they love it. I said, what's the key? Why are they so comfortable? Meanwhile, other people are running from the city and they can't take that energy. And he said, it's all about your field. And that's what I've been experiencing as well.

If you choose to create resonance and peace and tranquility in your personal field, it doesn't matter your environment. It doesn't matter the energy that you're exposed to. You can be in a crowded room and have crazy people all around you and be feeling chaotic energies, but feeling like you're in a force field, if you will, and you have the ability to keep a hold on your energetic sanctity, you can choose to maintain equilibrium and make that that set point of your consciousness, which is unchanging. So even if you're exposed to crazy variables that are outside of your control, but most people would say is the thing that takes them out of alignment because you don't have the free will to create always peace around you, you can let that be something that doesn't disturb you

at all. You can choose to be consistent and balanced and loving and create harmony just by inserting yourself in a field of chaos and being that light. And that's kind of a metaphor for what we are supposed to be doing here. Like I feel I was born in that area because I was exposed to a lot of difference, a lot of energy, a lot of cultural, interesting mixing where I actually went to preschool and not speaking a word of English. I was born to Ukrainian immigrants and I spoke only Russian when I was going into preschool. My friends were kids of different cultures. I would be going to a playground and like one friend was Chinese, one was Indian. We were all talking in our own languages, doing our own thing. And somehow there was a sense of connection. So that goes to show that

in a place of chaos, disorder, duality, where everything is happening. I was born and raised in Forest Hills, Queens, which is the epicenter of diversity. It's the most diverse city in all of America. And I feel like my soul probably chose that experience because I wanted to experience the everythingness of human consciousness. I wanted to feel what it's like to be one with a reality of so much difference. And that's a really beautiful thing, that a lot of people, because they're so stuck in their own bubble of this is what's comfortable and this is the kind of conformity and expectation

of sameness that they want to experience. They learn to just fit in. They disown who they are and they don't admire the differences in the human condition because they're stuck to whether it's a religion or a cultural program or something that they're taught is just the way to be. And that lack of tolerance creates that divisiveness that is just breeding more duality on the planet. And if we were to learn to see source in everyone and everything,

to see the truth in all things, to see how to love somebody who's entirely different from you but that you can connect with just not soul to soul level, that's beautiful. That's seeing how God is representing itself in so many different forms and life is really just like a pallet of consciousness expressing itself differently so we can all have that rainbow conscious experience of learning oneness, learning to see the sameness in all things, as we're all just fractals or like self-similar parts of the all. And so that's, I think, a beautiful example of what spirituality really is. If you can start to see that we need difference to experience sameness. It's kind of a paradox, but it all makes sense when you view it from the

heart. Yeah. Separation, while it is an illusion, is a necessary illusion for us to be able to have the experience and reflection of our differentiation, you know? So I want you to open up a little bit more about what it was like to be you in your teens and growing up and like getting into all of this and how that came about. I'm just so fascinated. Yeah. So I felt for many years like I'm some kind of an alien or something. Like I'm a different human being. Clearly I'm like the keyword different was always a theme in my reality. from when I was very young, like I said, started school, not speaking any English, but I quickly got acclimated. So I enjoyed school very much. I started to feel like, you know, this is great.

I love to learn. I'd love to take a new awareness. I was reading really high-level books when I was young and especially interested in the human body. So I've always had this weird fascination with medicine, with understanding how everything works internally, that we have a universe inside of us. And so healing was a very big interest of mine. I wrote this little flip book when I was six talking about white blood cells and for some reason that fascinated me like how we can heal internally and how our body has this defensive mechanism creating that balance and that's really subconsciously going on and I brought that more than my desire to heal and to understand the body more deeply into school and I remember just writing many different things about this growing up to the point where teachers

were like why are you doing the same thing why are you talking about the body why are you bringing this fascination which is so above and beyond your years into school to the point where I started to feel very limited in the school environment. I felt like teachers were quite literally lowering my mark just because I was talking about the same thing because I was fascinated in something that other kids were not. And so I started to experience that need to filter some aspects of myself. So like I also mentioned, there I was at seven years old going to the New Life Expo in the city and diving into spirituality because I also know that I chose my parents to give me a very unique experience. They've always been spiritualists, very different folks that moved to the state,

when they were in their 20s. They moved in the 90s, escaped, you know, Soviet Russia, Ukraine, that intense environment and choose to start a new life here. They brought me this experience of being totally different, being okay, just experiencing learning, growth, oneness, connection to all that is. And I'm really grateful for that experience because it taught me that I can be myself. I never had any siblings growing up. I just kind of melted into this realm of exploration and always asked so many questions. I've always just been hyper-curious, wanted to know more, wanted to dive into the understanding of why are we even here? And so that brought me to the point where, you know, I was at this New Life Expo, I'm taking notes about angels and dimensions and

aliens and stuff like that. I'm like the only kid in this audience and, you know, adults are looking at me like, what is she doing here? And I didn't even know myself, but it was so cool. It was so cool for me to just be experiencing this like higher dimensional reality to understand there's more to the matrix than we learn in school. And that's why I quickly started a question. Why do other kids not ask these questions? Why do adults even lose this curiosity? I've always been just a very curious observer. And to this day, I attribute that to everything that I do because I try to peer behind the veil, if you will, I try to understand the nature of everything and experience. And I think when we lose that, we start becoming those conformists. We start becoming the people that are just sucked into

whatever we're taught, whatever we're told. And then the loss of self really occurs. So I didn't let that happened to me. I kept that part of me sacred, even though I wasn't able to show my spirituality. I knew I wasn't going to be able to have that conversation with other kids my age. And so I just kind of kept it to myself. But I always felt very in touch with the compassionate aspect. I remember one very distinct experience. I was in second grade and we had this thing in our lunch program where there were some kids that were in kindergarten when the older kids could help the younger kids. And there was a table of special needs students. There were like 10, 15 children that nobody wanted to work with. It was so sad it really moved me because all my friends wanted to work

with the normal kids, the kids that were just fun and playing games and communicative. And I remember walking over to this table of special needs children and my heart melted. I felt the sense of like I want to be giving them the experience of love that they deserve, even if they don't necessarily feel like they are the same as everybody else. So I really bonded with these children. I helped kids with like Down syndrome and autism and got really close to them, like brought them little gifts and it was just something so, you know, weird for me. Why do people not see the world through that lens of compassion? Why even at that age in which we're still supposed to be learning about reality and trying to connect more deeply? Why have everyone already has everyone chosen aside?

Why are people choosing to do what the mass is doing? That's the thing that I've always been challenging. Like, I want to do the thing that's different. I want to bring compassion where it's most necessary. I want to be able to side with the person that needs the most help, the most help the most understanding. That experience brought me really into my heart. And I've always had this experience of wanting to live through the heart, wanting to tap into the unexplored aspect of consciousness where empathy is necessary and where integration is needed. And that's where the source of healing really lies. And so eventually it got to the point where I decided I was going to be a doctor. I wanted to do this officially and professionally. But then I also realized that

I wasn't going to be myself. I realized that this is really an industry of solving the issue of, or addressing the issue of people are sick and they're trying to escape the symptoms without addressing the root causes. I knew I was going to feel very wrong, just trying to prescribe medications and lead people away from the true source of healing. When I observed my mom doing pranic healing when I was young, like literally taking away my migraines with just like putting her hands above my head and poof, the energy is disintegrated. And I realized very early early on, what are chakras? What is the field? How can you transmute energy and move that energy to create a whole new experience within the body.

So it made sense to me why we need to heal from within, why we need to understand what actually causes the issue. And very often it's just that unconsciousness that we need to expand our awareness into. And that's what also led me to start writing about this. So when I was 13, I just had this idea to start a column in a newspaper talking about personal development, just came out of the blue that I was going to talk about,

like awareness and empathy and intuition and stuff like that that people don't usually tap into because that's always been a fascination of mine. How can I shed light on something that most people aren't talking about? They're not talking about it. I want to talk about it. It's something different and unique. And so I went there and it was just kind of an experiment. Something was coming out of me. I didn't realize where it was coming from. I posted it. It started happening and I started getting letters to my house at that point. And there were these older people writing, wow, you changed my mind. You opened my eyes to somebody I never thought about. And it was

it was baffling to me because I never thought I was doing this for the response. I just wanted to share unconditionally. And the response was very, it was received very highly. And I just started wonder like, where's this coming from? So I kept going with it. I started to write in other local newspapers and the same reaction was happening. I had teachers telling me like, you are seriously gifted. There's something that's flowing through you. And no one ever said I was channeling or I was like receiving information from the field or anything like that. But I started to realize that I must have this older soul, that there's something in me that if this wisdom isn't something that I'm learning, I'm not reading this in books. It's coming from a sense of knowing. And a lot of people

have this knowing where they tap into their heart, an inner truth emerges, and that's not something that they were ever taught. And the brain doesn't even really have the ability to process that information. But that knowing is true. If you really lean into that, it's a sense of like God expressing itself through your inner state of feeling. So because I've been such a deep feeler, I realized that if I go there, I'm able to expand on any notion and dive really deep and shed a perspective, which is more universal in nature. It's always a very top-down perspective, kind of like how would consciousness look at this particular thing that human beings are dealing with? And it sounds wild that like a 13-year-old could be tapping into that, but I just let it happen. I let it flow. And for a while, I kind of stopped.

I didn't go there because I didn't think that it was going to be a career or anything of that nature. But when I pivoted and I started to pursue holistic education, and I'm pursuing a PhD in natural medicine now and I have a business degree, but I decided to go down that route of not going to med school, doing a different thing, I started to just post more. I started to let my inner world unleash itself. I chose authenticity. I chose, I'm not going to conform because it never felt right to me. And I realized for a long time I was just shutting myself off. Like there's a tap on my consciousness. And I was keeping that tap kind of closed.

I was scared that it was going to be perceived as weird. and I realized other people were not going to connect with it. But I just ventured into that domain entirely. I started to post about it and then the response was overwhelmingly like, yeah, you have some ability. And people thought that I was channeling. And so I went further into it and I realized that why am I so comfortable with writing? Like, am I hiding behind the screen? Am I choosing to write as a way to not fully express myself and to fully own this energy that's coming through me?

And so later I started to make videos. And so I just, first, it was like a terrifying thing of like, how do I express this identity and do that thing, which is just becoming the conduit for awareness. And eventually I realize it's very synergistic that you can do both. And it involves actually losing a sense of yourself to become the instrument. That that's really what's going on when somebody channels. When somebody becomes the stream for creativity, whether it's an artist or a healer or a channeler professionally, it's somebody who is allowing themselves to drop into the state of no self

and to move into the unknown, to become kind of like that energy of the dark feminine, which is just birthing creation from the void. And so it involves really losing a sense of how people are going to perceive me and how am I, maybe I'm going to be judged for this. It's pushing all that aside and just allowing yourself to be the creator in that moment. And so I believe fundamentally that is allowing yourself to become consciousness. And if you can move into that state of self-love, we all start to receive so much. And then more that I do this, the more I receive.

And so my channel really opened up to harness these higher energies. and I believe it's really my higher self sharing with me what I feel needs to be shared with people. And that because of my empathy, I can connect with what do people need to hear? What do they need to feel? How can I be of service to the collective by just allowing myself to more deeply tap into who I am at my core, which is probably just a soul coming from a different time and place to share certain awareness? That's what really makes me tick. And the more that I embrace that, the more I'm able to help people and cater to people in a way that's individual.

I'm just becoming the consciousness that can inform them about some part of them that they're not seeing. Yeah. You have a lot of awareness and understanding for your own path, which I think is really beautiful and great to reflect on. And I want to dive deeper into a few aspects of that for sure. It feels like because, you know, I named the show know thyself because I do truly feel like that is the ultimate aim of our path of evolution is to recognize the true essence of who we are at a deeper fundamental level. And as we were speaking to earlier, the perception of spirituality being something. that you acquire versus, you know, knowing yourself as a process of realization, of acknowledging and becoming aware of something that's already existing and not something that you have to do or gain. And so it's more of a process of letting go than accumulating. And I feel like it's perceived the complete opposite way for a lot of individuals.

And what you're tapping into is this process and the difference between thinking and knowing and like accumulating more information and like growing the intellect versus tapping into the deeper intelligence that you are that you have access to within your body but then also you have access to in the immaterial realms that are always there regardless of if they're visible or not you know and so I want to speak into because you are 23 years old so let's just let that sink in for a moment and this is something that I've got also too being being younger I'm 26 right now birthday's coming up soon but I've gotten the reflection too of wow you're so young you're doing all these things like whatever, and there is this perspective shift of people thinking that, you know, wisdom comes from

experience versus reflecting on experience. And that's obviously not the case. Otherwise, everybody who's old would be super wise and everybody who's young would be super not wise. And that's totally not the case. And so I want to talk to this difference of intellectually growing and accumulating more information and like recurgitating essentially somebody else's information that makes you seem wise versus tapping into a deeper intelligence that is intrinsic to who you are, something that you're connected to that's beyond any persona that is truly filled with wisdom that you can tap into at any age. What a great point. Yeah, I think the difference you can tell in kind of the level of humility in a person. Like, where is that source coming from? Is it coming from the ego? Is it

fabricated awareness in order to achieve a certain goal? Or is it something that's just there? If you can tap into that wisdom by removing the filters and diving through the and past the layers of all of the learned aspects of experience and even past life experience, you know, why is it that we can tap into wisdom more when we forget ourselves? I think that's a very interesting thing to tap into. Or when you tap into self-love, if you trust that inner knowing, like you said, you can start to realize there's a big difference between the brain's consciousness, the comprehension that comes through calculated decision and through just trying to predict outcomes based on what you've already experienced. That's that very linear deterministic way of thinking,

which a lot of people are just sucked into. They're living in a mental universe to the point where they don't acknowledge the hearts knowing. I think that's part of what breeds a separation in the collective. But if we don't tap into the hearts knowing, the brain always has a way of knowing what's right. It thinks this is the only way. It's my way or the highway.

And that's very egocentric in nature. If you can tap into a degree of wisdom, which is unparalleled in that it involves every other perspective and seeing the truth and all that is. What that means is essentially seeing, I'm right in my own way, and you're right in your own way. And if we integrate, we're more right because we're taking into account both of our differences

in individual perspectives. And actually, every single person is a microcosm of the one truth. Even if they seem to say something that you disagree with, what they're coming at is truth in their own world, in their own way. In their own prism of consciousness, that's what they've arrived at. So at the frame rate of their consciousness, that's their degree of truth. That's their degree of knowing. If we come to accept that everyone's right in their own way, we can find a lot of wisdom

just in the experience of our being. like what are we all experiencing what are we allowing ourselves to tap into is it coherence is it truly coming to terms with everything that we're going through are we still choosing to separate and if we come to that perspective that i know all the truth right i'm like wise and enlightened even using that word enlightened i'm not fond of because i think it becomes a limiting factor as soon as you think you've gotten at all you put that ceiling on your ability to integrate and then when you know there's more integration possible, you don't see it because you then close your mind to the possibilities of just what you've already harvested. And so there's people in the spiritual world that

portray this energy of like they've gotten it all. And I really warn people to to watch out for that because if you tap into the subtlety of where it's coming from usually, there's an inner child trauma that in a lot of spiritual, you know, teachings and beliefs, sometimes people project that sense of knowing everything to the point where they even create like a cult or something. You know, there's many historic examples of people that try to gain reverence. by claiming that they know everything and there's an obvious blind spot there and if you try to

claim this is the sole truth you're not allowing for the truth to reach the followers and I think that's one thing that needs to be broken in general in general that... I just get the image too of just zooming out from the planet this like one person just blabbering on like a little duck in the infidelessimely

small cosmos in which we live thinking that they are the source of all that is and all that will be you know it's It's insidious. It's attracting and it draws people in because, of course, we want answers. But it's important to honor the source and not the identification with the person. Right. What's been happening historically is there's always been a hierarchy. It's always been this creation of a system separate from the collective, creating the hive mind consciousness, like with every religion.

You take God, you take this pure source the way that we're talking about it, like a field of higher intelligence, which can't be taken down to a lower representation of itself. You can't take the all and squeeze it into one deity or one version of itself and attach a bunch of labels to it and say, this is the true, this is the all. That's created with the intention of creating reverence, creating conformity, creating fear in some cases, creating followership. In which case we can see that's already creating duality. So the very notion of religion in and of itself is creating more duality. People see that as a portal to the divine. If it allows them to connect more deeply to themselves and to the all, that's a beautiful thing.

But I think in general, as we're sending past, all the constructs that have been humanly designed to trap consciousness, we need to also see the perils of just attaching to any one way, any one system, any one philosophy, ideology, religion, or set of beliefs which makes you conform to one version of truth. I think that I love the concept of omnism, like seeing the truth in all religions, that integration of our religions is pointing to that source even expressing itself in every religious model. But it's very difficult to see how, you know, we all have one God at our core, and we all are an expression of source at our core, which is if we were to accept that, we wouldn't have these wars. We wouldn't have these battles from human to human. But because we're trying to put stuff in boxes, we can't see that.

And that also relates to why knowledge has been hidden away for so many years. Like why in the basement of the Vatican we still have hidden documents and lost history and wisdom that's been archived and hidden from people? because maybe somebody, the powers that be, were asserting that, you know, human consciousness is not ready to know that truth. Because if we were to really tap into, how were we created? Like, where did the human even come from? What are we genetically? Maybe we're just some genetic experiment at our core.

Maybe if we really go down that, right of a hole, it gets very interesting. Because if we think about the difference between ourselves as a human being as opposed to anything else in the matrix, we can find some interesting differences. Like a human being when they're in their formative years is totally helpless, is a total victim. If we don't receive the nurturing, like we're mentioning from the mother figure, from the ideal environment, we get so easily corrupted. We don't have a sense of individualism at all. If you don't teach a child to speak, he's not going to be able to be vocal and expressive.

If you don't bring intellect into a formative brain, that brain is not going to be able to work well or to have the instincts or reflexes to even survive. If you take animals in the animal kingdom, like they have more of a, adaptability to just survive based on the knowing that's there. It's in the morphic field. It's in their souls programming. There's an ability to thrive even in spite of that conditioning. So mothers are able to drop their babies off in the animal kingdom very early on. Still, they find a way to get by. In humans' case, it's very different. And so it's interesting to dive into, like, genetically, why is there so much variability? And why is there so much difference also across

the different cultures around the world? And human civilization in general has been very experimentative in nature. If we look at, you know, the ebb and flow of human consciousness, how we are so divisive, how we're so separate in nature. Like, why do we need to be reading so much war and duality still over so much time? Like, there seems to be some other plan that's controlling consciousness. There's some groups or because of the structures that are creating consciousness in different ways. There's control.

There's fear present. There are different systems and establishments which are creating the sense of conformity, keeping people small in this illusion that they need to be conforming to the way of thinking, the history textbooks, the religion, the different models, the governments. Everything is established in such a way that people don't even ask. Why do we have all these things? Are these things actually helping us? How can we expand consciousness if the system that's underlying civilization is so archaic

and nobody's even questioning what's underlying it? And so I think if we were to ask those questions, we would understand fundamentally. Like maybe there's a need to break free in some ways, even just by questioning, what do we know? What do we think we know about reality? Maybe there's more to it. And we can get into a lot of interesting rabbit holes with like the sacred technologies of the past. People were much more gifted and there were a lot more superpowers, I think, in human beings in general. People were using telekinesis more and had a lot of unique psychic abilities.

And we have interesting proof of like resonance technologies, such as the people. pyramids and cathedrals that have like cymatics built into the windows and the floor plans and all kinds of things that now we look at that and we're wondering where did that even come from or the tartarian empire like sometimes we see images of this and it blows people's minds sometimes even that is enough to catalyze a shift in consciousness because by realizing how we've been descending in consciousness as a human collective over years even though we have new technologies the rise of AI everything arguably that's not leading to advancement in the human consciousness it's leading to more

more separation, it's leading to a sense of control and losing the identity, moving into this narcissistic model, as opposed to coming back to nature and being as part of the organic matrix, which is always accessible to us. That's what we need to think about. In this ascent into a new kind of world, are we going to be part of this inorganic hive mind consciousness moving into AI, into the digital structure, which is trapping the identity in some version of itself that is maybe convenient for the hive mind collective? or are we choosing to come back to ourselves, to find our soul tribe, to be stepping into our purpose,

to be owning our energy, to not forget nature, to be choosing to be healthy conscious individuals that feel that we have the power to do this, as opposed to losing the power of our consciousness to whatever can be controlling it. That's the ultimate choice. I want to dive into a couple of those different things you brought up in a moment here, but I also, on the age thing, I wanted to hear what you think on stepping into, because regardless, I mean, it could be valuable for anybody who's tuning in, but in particular the young individuals that are maybe having trouble stepping into their power and claiming what they're here to actually do in their gifts.

What has been your journey and actually stepping into your voice, sharing, expressing yourself in a way in a world that views, you know, the 25-year-old, new age spiritual coach, kind of being a little bit of a cliche to really owning who you are and stepping into that. I think the most important thing to think about is the genuine motive behind it. If you're doing anything because you think it looks good or you think that'll be an interesting, appearance or facade to create for yourself to live a better life for some conditional reason. There's inauthenticity there. It's important to understand the energy of authenticity. What is that? Like only an individual within themselves when it's between them and their own soul can understand

if they're being true to themselves or not. Very often we live a lie because we think it's convenient or we're more focused on appearances like you said than actually finding a place of true alignment. So when it's between you and your soul, I encourage everybody to ask themselves, what really makes you tick? What really feels comfortable for you when you don't need to don an identity to be feeling that sense of connection to your real inspiration? If you were to do one thing for the rest of your life that would make you feel truly coherent, truly one with your soul, what would that thing be? Why are we choosing things that don't make us feel totally real? A lot of people have a strange kind of imposter syndrome going into this. And I never really did because I've just always been entertaining these ideas.

It felt natural for me. And so I just took it to the next level with more content, with more inspiration, eventually flowing into helping people on a one-on-one basis and leading a community because I saw the interest and the demand for that. And I realized I can allow myself to, you know, use my throat chakra a little bit more and command my energy to find that connection. But what you're really tapping into is the understanding of the solar plexus and the activation that happens deep within us when we see the source of our identity as something that is authentically connected to the universe and to a higher self. So many young people, I think they have a real deficit in solar plexus alignment because a lot of

people go through the early trauma where they feel like they need to conform, they already lost a part of themselves in early childhood, and they just choose to rationally create the path. They create the path based on what their maybe parents want them to be, or what will make the most money, or what will be most rewarding on some materialistic level. But in doing so, you lose the sense of true inspiration. You lose a sense of this is my purpose, or this is my passion, or this is the kind of position which will allow me to own my energy authentically to be who I am at my core. If we were to approach career creation and education and everything in terms of what allows you to feel more aligned as a function of your authenticity as opposed to the external persona creation, we would do things just because we actually feel we want to be doing them and because it's aligned with our souls. That's what's usually missing.

So in young people, I think that the main thing I would advise people to do is to think about like everything that you're doing, if it's false in nature, you're just lying to yourself. Eventually you're going to hit this midlife crisis, maybe when you're 40 or 50, when you realize you're miserable because you forgot who you were, maybe at 10, maybe at 20, maybe at 30. We're choosing to create different versions of yourself for convenience sake because somebody told you it's going to be more convenient to be this version of yourself or that's acceptable in the world. I've always thought that it's not worth it to be creating that lie, that it just seems so false in nature to be fragmenting your consciousness to live in this illusion of comfort. but really that's just creating duality. If we were to get really brutally honest with ourselves, we would choose the path that just makes us feel we can be real. And if we keep it real,

then we're always going to be helping people by just inspiring through our authentic connection to self. And so that path can be very different. A lot of people that choose spirituality, maybe they come to the conclusion they need to be a spiritual teacher to be spiritual. But the world just needs more people embodying spirituality through kindness. You can do any job and be spiritual in nature

by creating more balance. You can be a doctor, a lawyer, a cashier. a designer, an artist, a creative, any person that is inspiring by just wanting to do what they're doing and being happy, serving people by being themselves and just being their own soul in avatar form. And that's so beautiful to see the transformation from essentially conformity, from losing your sense of self to a state of you are who you are regardless of what you choose to do. If we can make that decision, wisdom can come out very early in our lives that inspires us to choose that path. And so in my case, age,

was always a confounding variable. I never enjoy like speaking about my age. I'm becoming more open with it. But I always thought that, you know, people do judge that. People assume it's just part of the mental construct that in order to speak about wisdom, you need to have a lot of acquired experience. But then other people, they look at me and I have a lot of theories of who am I really. Some people are like, she's an indigo. She's a star seed. She's an old soul. Maybe she's a young soul from a different civilization or galaxy. So people see me as I'm a different kind of archetype. And all of us have the ability to tap into that archetype of true originality. Where I like to look at people, everyone's a fingerprint of source. Everyone's got this completely unique makeup. And if we were to

own that uniqueness and to transcend the pain of judgment or feeling like, you know, someone didn't accept us in the past, I think that we would just be liberated to who we are. I learned to accept that very early on, like that no one's always going to like me. No one's always going to accept me. And that's okay. And if we can come to that brutal acceptance of the fact that, yes, nobody's always going to accept us. But if we accept ourselves, we're going to have the best chance at living a truly happy opportune existence because we're real and we're actually choosing to do what our soul wants us to be experiencing.

And from there, the opportunities are endless. Yeah. For everybody that's listening and tune into knowing yourself and unveiling your gifts and what you uniquely have to share as in your own soul's thumbprint, that's going to be how you express in the planet, is it when you're in your 70s and 80s that you want to unveil that? Or when you're younger? if you have the opportunity and your path allows you to where you're listening to this and you are younger

to be able to fully own that you're going to find so much more freedom, abundance, impact through owning what you are uniquely here to do. And that comes online by, I feel like, following your joy and what feels like timeless when you do it. That thing, you know, this podcast is one example for me where I would do it with or without getting paid. And it feels like a big service to the world, but also service to myself. and I get to share my understandings and my gifts and put my skill set and acquired knowledge with video production and it all kind of comes cohesive into all my life path leading to the culmination of sharing myself in a way that is uniquely accessible through this human meat suit called Andre and I see you very much so on your own path of like fully owning since you

were younger these intuitions these gifts these curiosities that I don't believe are random and by following them, you get to then share and develop that. And now you're at this point where you're sharing so much wisdom. I've loved everything that you've been sharing on this podcast so much. What I want to go into next is a little bit more about consciousness, because as you start to deepen your sense of awareness within yourself, and you kind of go into that place that is on one hand, there is no self. And on the other hand, it is the all self. It's like everything that is connected to all. I feel like when we come at the question of consciousness being from this materialistic, reductionistic perspective of arising

out of just our own neurology, then it kind of almost takes the free will out of our life and equation. But when we explore that consciousness could potentially be something that is the container for all, then it becomes a more fascinating realization. So I'll just pause there and let you go. And then we'll... Yeah, I think you're tapping into like the hard problem of consciousness in the physics community. Why do we even need to have consciousness? From a scientific, logo-centered perspective, it's very difficult to understand that. And that's where I think that we need to integrate this spiritual perspective. If consciousness is kind of a verb, it's the state of being. I love Donald Hoffman actually says that. It's not consciousness is not a being, it's being.

In which case we can understand that the more the consciousness express itself in an infinitesimal kind of way, the more the universe knows itself. So there's a state of ever-expanding consciousness, which attributes the value to all experience. That means that on an individual soul's journey, we need to go through so many ebbs and flows, inhales, exhales, contractions and expansions of our individual consciousness, which also gives rise to the depth and breadth of all experience, pain and pleasure, suffering and freedom, everything that allows us to experience duality, but in such a way that we ultimately understand the journey of consciousness through our own individual perspective. That provides value and understand

of at all scales of consciousness, there's a certain experience to be had and to be learned from. That I see consciousness as kind of an accordion of universal awareness, especially when we look at the multidimensional model. If you have different dimensions, these are different experiences of consciousness, like different layers of awareness in and of itself, allowing for expansion to happen. In this domain, it's all about understanding duality. It's all about learning, I think, in the Earth School. How can we truly understand what love is?

If we're in a place where it's all about splits, where we experience everything is separate from us, if we understand that's the illusion that consciousness is allowing us to experience through individuated state of self, how can we learn to come back to the concept of the one? If we can understand that, maybe we can graduate from this level and come back into the state of isness, come back to the oneness and the etheric place of true knowing.

And when we start to disrupt our notion of separateness, we can tap into like the Akashik field. We start to have downloads. I believe that a lot of people, including myself, when we're receiving information from the field, that's where it comes from. We're allowing ourselves to go there, which means we have to tune this radio receiver of our brains into this frequency, essentially, to receive that higher conscious intelligence and that feedback when we're just truly open to receiving. So to master this experience

of duality, we have to learn to access the different faculties of our awareness. That means consciousness is not just mental in nature. We can almost think of it as an organism. Like consciousness as of being would be also integrative, not just a mental being. It would be also a heart-based being. And the reality of feelings is very important to be understanding, where all of us are like a microcosm of the one mind. And I find it interesting. It's fascinating. There are many hermetic truths that I align with.

But at the same time, I think people that really get drawn into the understanding of it's a mental universe, sometimes they lack the connection to the heart. We're very often being hyper-focused on this is all an intelligent design, which is logo-centered in nature, makes you move away from this intuitive, feminine aspect. To understand consciousness, we need to understand the masculine and feminine balance, the dark and the light, the yin and the yon. That balance is what creates the essential unity in all things. And so looking at it from just an either-or perspective, diminishes the value of the ant, diminishes the point of all things needing to be present in order to create this sense of oneness. So I think consciousness is just like a vastly intelligent system, which is allowing itself to learn and to thrive through creating this environment for growth to happen.

It's like us putting ourselves in an environment in which we allow ourselves to come out of the illusion that we need the environment to be perfected in order for us to learn. We can become the environment for ourselves or we can start to define the inner environment differently to create a more conscious, beautiful experience. So it's a total paradox, I think consciousness in that it's learning through us and we also are consciousness expressing itself on this small version of the universal one. that if we can see that we are all consciousness, then everything is just energy, frequency and vibration, we can align with the value of the everything, the all. And that's just a really beautiful mystery to be unfolding in our lives.

Incredible. I love that. And it just invites a more horizon expanding perspective as to the deeper mechanisms of the intelligence that is consciousness bifurcating in so many different ways in order to experience and evolve itself. And with that, it allows us to question our reality from its perspective and what life wants of us and how in the relationship dynamics that I'm experiencing in the career that I'm in,

how are these all opportunities for me to gain deeper access to who I am at a fundamental level and then share more of that love with the world at greater and greater levels. I think the big picture is very important to focus on. Like everybody is going through an individual path, but the path back home is the same for all of us. Like all of us, if we really choose to elevate our understanding of why we're here, we can understand that we're all choosing to be in this particular time and place, having this unique experience, seeing everything that's happening on a global scale, but using that to navigate our inner journey more effectively, that right now is a time when we can choose to be in a kind of a new earth consciousness,

which is a totally new experience of being. It's an experience of you not being perturbed by what currently is by the old paradigm, and you start to feel like you are here to create a new paradigm just through your inner experience being a more elevated one. But choosing to tune your frequency into a new state of consciousness, you are choosing to create a whole new reality for yourself. That means you're going to start to realign with new variables, new factors, and everything starts to shift as soon as you decide to do so.

So the ultimate trap is that we are actually trapped in this matrix where a lot of people going through the spiritual awakening journey, they want to escape the matrix. There's a lot of escapism that happens. And you kind of, you pointed at that in terms of the spiritual ego and everything that can happen when you choose to protest and resist against what is. But that state of resistance is probably the biggest enemy. For as long as there's any form of resistance, there's more awareness to be achieved. And like you also tapped into with triggers, each one is a mirror into our own lack of awareness. If we were to really understand the cues of consciousness. If we were to see, let's say, every illness in our body as important feedback about

what we need to realign within ourselves, every issue, every difficult, painful manifestation, every issue externally, everything that triggers us, whether it's in the media or it's in our personal relationships, if all of that is just a conduit for the expansion of consciousness, we can start to see how we need to just realign to invite in that new awareness. That awareness will come as soon as we choose to be that welcoming individual by receiving in our field. So we all have the ability to tap into a whole new state of being. And I think we quite literally are going to be emerging as citizens of a new world. Like we're going to be experiencing different realities in one planet.

And it's already happening. We can look at people living in totally subjective realities because their perspective is so entirely different. So to become that transient observer of consciousness means we can see all of it and accept all of it. We can understand why it is that things are the way that they are and choose to just lead by example. choose to disrupt this notion that we need to be either resisting the matrix and the powers that be and choosing to be in separation, or we can choose to choose radical non-duality and love. And that's the most important choice of our time, that if you make that decision to be loving, to be joy, to be peaceful, before the causes for those things even arises, the cause will always be there.

The effect will be very apparent. That choosing to change your frequency will change the entirety of your reality. as a simulation changes as soon as you choose to become this more conscious conduit of awareness. And so I love to leave people with the point of you ultimately are just source, having an individual experience which can be as unlimited as you decide for it to be. If you choose to be constrained by any factor, it will be so. That's just the way the consciousness works. You create the script, you create the program, you know, the director of the movie and the experiencer of it.

So choose to define that reality differently and the entire simulation is going to conform immediately. By choosing love, we change the way that relationships feel and our entire life is experienced because everything ultimately is a relationship with consciousness in just different illusory roles. So we are the creator and we should choose to be that creator to make the biggest impact we can on the collective as well. What do you feel when you tune into the collective and what's coming in our lifetime for this kind of new earth awakening of a lot of people gaining greater and greater levels of awareness? And with that comes the opportunity to make massive healing occur on a global stage and we just have access to more information and wisdom now on the

planet and also the alternative more than any other time in our history and so I'm just curious what you see as more brilliant individuals like yourself are starting to come and share and contribute to the collective awakening what what's possible within actually birthing the new earth in our life I think there's going to be a real split that happens delors can very interestingly talked about this before she passed, like around a decade ago, where she talked about literally there's going to be like different realities exist in simultaneously on this planet. There's going to be a high dimensional realm, which is loving, which is inviting of new technologies, new healing, like using scalar and plasma energy devices to heal, or tapping into new genetic

potential, tapping into higher strands of DNA, or using the awareness of epigenetics to heal naturally. And that all becomes possible when we acknowledge the role and power of human consciousness as connected to the higher field. Meanwhile, the darker side of the matrix is going to look like the opposite of that, the inverted side, which is more consciousness is limited. And if you have a disease, you're going to be dealing with the effects of that disease. And there's no ability to transmute. There's no ability to heal or to create. You're going to be bound by whatever currently is. And so that deterministic way of being is going to be very dark in nature. I think a lot of people

are going to be trapped in that simply because of fear, which again, it has to do with being controlled and feeling like you have to be controlled because you're not seeing that there's always an outlet. There's the backdoor which is just realizing you can liberate yourself by understanding the higher awareness which is always accessible to you. There's that touch point inside all of us

which can allow us to question. I just really realize if we're feeling trapped by anything, what is it really? Who really is trapping us? It's ultimately us. And so whether it's a difficult relationship or a trauma or anything that we think is keeping us stuck, it's ultimately a decision.

Is that going to keep us stuck because we choose to make it so or not? And so new earth and older, they're kind of going to operate in the same way. If you choose to raise your frequency and be operating in this higher conscious paradigm of creation, of healing, of understanding that you can transcend states of awareness, there's going to be a lot of beautiful creation. We're going to birth new systems, new healing, like sound medicine, and all kinds of things that are going to allow us to optimize, even our lifespan, and tap into beautiful creativity

and create more art and spirituality is going to become more integrative and wholesome, and new tribes are going to form in communities, and beautiful experiences for you. for people who are choosing to upgrade to really upgrade and to probably ascend past this earthly experience at some point. But at the same time, there's going to be a feeling like on the other side of it, everything's going to get really dark and devastating. And so the split is going to be mind-blowing. Like somehow, it seems we can't coexist. Those two realities are so starkly different. But maybe that's exactly the point. Like, the end is the beginning, the beginning is the end. And it seems that history goes through these moments of a reset. That's what's happening now.

Like we're choosing to go through some kind of collective evolution, which comes through hitting the reset button. And that's going to be a personal reset for all of us and also on the collective level. Something is going to be wiped in order for something new to be created. And so we get to choose. Are we going to be living in fear because of this coming time of stark change? Or are we going to choose to be accepting of whatever is happening is supposed to be? At least we can choose to navigate it either consciously or through this fear-based mindset of this is destruction. this is ultimately a time of the most creativity to be unleashed.

And so I think people who are already on that path are going to be having more awakenings, more downloads, more information coming in to inspire what this is all really for. So I think we have limited awareness in terms of what's coming because we're meant to be going through this. If we were to know exactly what's happening, it would not be as interesting. We wouldn't choose to come here if it was all apparent. So we have to just keep that in mind that everything happens exactly as it's supposed

to. And ultimately, if we chose this experience, it's for a reason. So let's make the most of it. Totally. And I think everybody that's tuning into this information and what we're sharing on this conversation today, we all have the opportunity to be a part of that awakening and activate the activators.

And really it's needed now more than ever because there is that opportunity for cataclysmic devastation on such a big scale with the advent of AI and just more access to ways that destroy the planet. it we also need and there is of equal measure the possibility and opportunity for us to bring the alternative in healing and raising the awareness. And so thank you for doing your part. Thanks for everybody that's been tuning into doing their part and also just tuning into feeling

this collective family that is growing day by day, week by week, year by year, not just in this podcast, but globally with that people, individuals that are tuning into this information and their own healing process and awakening is just it's really cool and I feel very called to be a part of both stewarding and participating in the coming together and sitting around the campfire and having the discussions that are necessary for guidance from a greater intelligence to really support us on the process of it all. So any last words you have there also for this podcast as we start to wrap up? I love to encourage people to stay very open. I think the best way to invite a new awareness is just to open up the mind. And like I say in my Instagram bio, you know, I think we're here to ultimately think outside the box and live from the heart.

It's such a simple thing, but to do that requires a lot of personal expansion. To allow yourself to open up your mind means you're able to say to yourself, hey, maybe I was wrong about this or maybe I should challenge what I think I know. Because ultimately it's what we think we know and we have set is what keeps us most limited. So if we start to think from the heart and synergizer, mind and heart-based centers, we can start to tap into a whole new world of possibility. Right now, we all need to tap into some new possibility. There's something that deep down all of us are suppressing or craving or wanting, wanting to

transcend or transmute. And that can be understood more deeply if we come into the space of deep empathy. Learning empathy comes down to really knowing our own soul, learning to harmonize with spirit, learning to understand that whatever discontinuities present can be transmuted by just coming into a sheer state of awareness. And choosing to really go there, which is a very courageous step that needs to be taken, to become honest with yourself

and to see reality through this new perspective of real integration. So I challenge everyone to really think about if they are now seeing themselves as source consciousness, what would they do differently? If they knew that they had the power to essentially be the creator in their own microcosmic meat suit, as you say, what would they choose to do differently?

We need to give ourselves that invitation to heal, to ascend, to raise our awareness, to choose love. No one's going to give us that permission, but ultimately people like us are just doing our part to inspire people to be doing that because we're all a creator in our own way. And if there's destruction limitation, we're even creating that. We're so powerful that we solidify any program of our belief system into creation. And so why not choose differently? Why not inspire new awakening by just choosing to go there?

And ultimately, we all have that ability. And it's probably destined for a lot of people to be experiencing that. But maybe even this conversation hopefully can inspire some people to think outside of their box. and pass the ramifications of the mind to be really free because I think we're all deserving of that at our core. Beautiful reminder. Thank you so much for sharing yourself on the podcast today. Yeah, I've loved all the different avenues in which we explored.

And for everybody that's tuning in, I'd love to share your thoughts, what was most impactful for you in this episode. And Gabby, we'll leave links for where people can find you down below, anything else you want to point people towards. Well, I post a lot of content weekly videos on YouTube for channelings, basically. I have turned my content from written channelings into, I just take these videos where I tune into something deep every single week, talk about all kinds of reality and mind-bending concepts and connecting to the self.

And I have a community and I post on Instagram and I do one-on-one sessions with people that are interested. But ultimately, I'm just excited to share more and to be, you know, a steward for change. And as consciousness is expanding, I love to tap in and allow people to see beyond themselves and to see how to be more loving, you know, vessels of source. You can catch me on all the platforms, and I look forward to connecting with more people in this journey. Yeah. Incredible.

Thank you so much. And again, thanks for everybody tuning in to this collective family. And again, let us know what was most profound impactful for you and how you're navigating your own journey and throughout this whole process. Beautiful. Thank you so much. Until next time, people.