Know Thyself - E79 - Dr. Zach Bush: Healing The ROOT Cause Of DISEASE By Awakening Our Biology Of LIGHT

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

Zach Bush joins the podcast again for a deeper dive into how self actualization works on a biological level. He unpacks the cellular science of disease, revealing the detrimental effects of chemicals like glyphosate that are a norm in our food systems. Zach also provides the antidote to this, sharing the science he has been studying of cellular regeneration, and the potential hidden in the human genome. He discusses other pressing issues facing our world today like infertility, global extinction, and our broken medical system. Zach Provides a hopeful lens for the future, explaining the hidden purpose in our difficult times. ___________ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro 3:14 Zach's Research on Cellular Biology 16:34 The Simple Science of Disease 20:48 How Cells Work 29:50 Becoming Our Own Healers 34:43 Returning to our Original, Healthy Design 48:30 The Danger of Glyphosate on a Cellular Level & Reducing Your Exposure 57:49 Why Infertility is a Huge Problem 1:02:29 Writing a New Story for Humanity 1:12:53 Our Time In Egypt: The Power of Reflection & Silence 1:19:18 The Next Expression of Human Biology 1:26:53 Our Profound Experience in Egypt 1:40:50 Purpose & Our Infinite Human Potential 1:55:28 Zach’s Profound Awakening at 19 2:14:08 Conclusion ___________ Zach Bush MD is a physician specializing in internal medicine, endocrinology and hospice care. He is an internationally recognized educator and thought leader on the microbiome as it relates to health, disease, and food systems. Dr Zach founded *Seraphic Group and the nonprofit Farmer’s Footprint to develop root-cause solutions for human and ecological health. His passion for education reaches across many disciplines, including topics such as the role of soil and water ecosystems in human genomics, immunity, and gut/brain health. His education has highlighted the need for a radical departure from chemical farming and pharmacy, and his ongoing efforts are providing a path for consumers, farmers, and mega-industries to work together for a healthy future for people and planet. Website: http://zachbushmd.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ZachBushMD/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrZachBush YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1SXr9d2DYawP_bwcNpbd2w Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachbushmd/ ION https://intelligenceofnature.com/ SERAPHIC GROUP: http://seraphicgroup.com/ FARMER’S FOOTPRINT: http://www.farmersfootprint.us/ THE JOURNEY OF INTRINSIC HEALTH: https://journeyofintrinsichealth.com/ ___________ Download André's FREE Book Recommendation List: https://www.knowthyself.one/books Know Thyself Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ Website: https://www.knowthyself.one Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKg Listen to all episodes on Audio: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927 André Duqum Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/ Meraki Media https://merakimedia.com https://www.instagram.com/merakimedia/

Nature is the antidote to humanity's wounds. I can't think about human health without thinking about planetary health because the two are intrinsically late. We have, as a technological food system, engineered a moment where humanity would completely forget itself. Every chemical we put into our environment tends to further deepen the wound. Roundup glyphosate cuts the relationship between soil and its life within it, as well as the, protein structures within our gut. We never needed these chemicals until we broke the rules of biology. There is an easy way to step back into right relationship with nature.

If you take ancient soil systems not touched by human hands, we would add that back to human cells. Immediately we were getting results at the science level that we could not have imagined. The exciting thing about knowing that is that we can change direction. We have the opportunity to birth a new humanity, a new biology, a new expression. May we honor all of the potential of humanity within ourselves and within those that we see around ourselves so that we can become the thing that we know is possible. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Know Theyself podcast where every single week we get the honor and privilege to sit down with an incredible mind to learn more about the true nature of self

and the world around us at deeper levels every single week. Today we have a returning champion who formerly is known for his expertise in internal medicine, endocrinology and hospice care. And he's really a thought leader on the microbiome as it pertains to health, disease, and food systems. I've gotten to know him deeper as a friend who loves to play piano and guitar and dance. And something I really cherish about this individual is he's got a beautiful humility about him that I really cherish an openness that, you know, anything that he experiences in any given moment can really change him. And that openness is something that I really value. And I'm excited to dive deeper into that as well in this conversation today.

He's a powerful articulator and synthesizer of the inner dimension of how we've really become disconnected and the reasons for disease individually and on the planet at large. And on the same token, our innate capacity to awaken to a new paradigm completely. And one where we awaken to our ability to heal, to realize the love of self that we have for others, for ourselves, for the planet, and humanity at large. and ultimately to become empowered as beacons of light for our communities. So, Zach Bush, welcome back to the show. Wonderful to be with you, and it's just awesome to share the space and time.

And thank you, everybody, for giving me the time in your life. And as you listen to this podcast, it's a joy to be with all of you. Our conversations always feel like a ceremony in it of themselves. And we got a lot of that reflection from our last conversation in our old studio. So welcome back. I'm excited to dive deeper into so much. much from the micro to the macro of this process of healing of awakening. And let's start.

I would love for you to give a little bit of context of what some of the new science is coming out of your cell biology lab. And we'd go from there. Awesome. Yeah, I'll give you a little context of the lab itself. My background, as you mentioned, on the clinical side was internal medicine, which is basically a hospital-based care, a lot of ICU stuff. Then endocrinology and metabolism was my next subspecialty.

And that one took me more into the outpatient environment. Still a lot of consulting in the hospital setting in ICU's and all that. But the journey in parallel to that when you're in academia is typically a biomedical research kind of role. And so there's a lot of pressure when you're first in moving into faculty positions in academia to find that niche, find that little thing that's going to become yours. And you're to become the global expert on that thing because that's really what drives funding. in the academic environment. And so the reason I bring that up is because the great vulnerability and danger in that model is that everybody becomes sub-sub-sub-specialized.

And you only get paid for being the expert in that sub-sub-sub specialty space. And you are never asked or paid for to see the big picture. And that, I think, has trickled in, you know, to our kind of expertise motif of academia where you're an expert in this or that, and then you're a stole for that, and you're rewarded for that, and you're awarded for that. And even early in your academia,

you're programmed into this, where they tote you around. Even as a med student, oh, you've won this award, and you've won this award, and you, you know, and so it's this egoic journey into believing that your value

is in being an expert and being one of the few experts in that thing. And that thing has to get smaller and smaller and smaller with each passing generation. because you've got nationally more and more beings that are competing for dollars at the NIH or other places for dollars. So my little world became this one little protein called Coup TF1. And Coup TF1 is a regulatory protein around the mitochondria, which are the, if you remember from Biology 101, the power plant of the human cell.

And that was pretty much my understanding of it, the power plant of the human cell. And in learning that at biology 101 in junior high all the way through to my expertise, nobody had really stepped back to even tell me that that was a non-human entity, that the mitochondria didn't actually belong to the human cell. It's a participant in, it's a resident within the human cell environment, but it's not human. It's a microbe, it's a bacterium. And so even being an expert of an expert of an expert down all the way down to the single protein level,

of the mitochondria, I was missing the big picture of even the organelle, the tiny little cell that I was within. And so I point all of that out just so that you can have a sense that the expression currently of Western medicine from the consumer side can look like complete idiocy. Like, really, this is where we're at? Like you walk in with gut problems and the first thing the gut doctor tells you is, well, your diet has nothing to do with why your gut hurts, you know? And as just a human being, you're just like, what?

That makes no sense at all. No, no, it's your immune system, blah, blah, blah, make up all these other stories. And so there's this tendency, I think, as a consumer of medicine, even when you're a doctor and end up on the patient side or your loved one ends up as a patient, when you enter it from that space, it just looks like lunacy from stem to stern.

So I want to just start by shedding that light. The reason it looks like lunacy is because for generations now, scientists and doctors have not been paid or encouraged to think about the big picture. And so for the lack of context, our data, the science, ends up not making sense at the macro level at all. And so our micro explorations are failing to be grounded in the reality that we live in. And that's becoming more and more entrenched in the academic environment,

not just in medicine, but really every area of quote unquote science, but I would say even really everywhere in the arts and sciences of academia, academia has become an abstract phenomenon of reality. It is not expressing the real. So that's the backdrop. So where was I at? So the mitochondria is this really extraordinary piece of the puzzle of how multicellular life works. And multi-cellar life, to become possible, requires an enormous amount of energy.

To be a single cell that doesn't have to, you know, a subspecial, and cooperate in a bigger organism takes about 10 times less energy. And so to be a bacteria or a fungi, a single-celled system, a fungi is a single-celled organism. They can create pseudo-hyphae and these mycelial networks that look like a giant multicellular organism, but really it's a bunch of single cells that are just cooperating in a larger ecosystem. So the real advent or leap to a multicellular organism happened when we got proto-dezschellular. and then protozoa ultimately into multicellular life. And the innovation that allowed for that leap was the mitochondria.

And so up until the advent of the mitochondria, the only way to liberate energy from food was through fermentation. And fermentation is an anaerobic process. Doesn't require oxygen. In fact, it works better without oxygen in the environment. So bacteria, fungi, all that, they're anaerobically, typically, or at least without the need of oxygen.

oxygen, managing the release of energy at this kind of basic fermentation process. When the mitochondria became possible, and what happened there was basically two bacteria, inadvertently perhaps, or by design, became a single organism. And so one bacteria basically swallowed another. And so a small bacterium called a micobacteria, the mycobacteria swallowed a methane-producing bacterium basically and then those two membranes started to suddenly cooperate to do something phenomenal which was an oxygen base or a respiratory process of breaking carbon down and so instead i'm using fermentation which is a slow digestive process for carbon you can use this method of breaking the

carbon bonds using oxygen and hydrogen and so that was this huge innovation that happened and even this week there's new articles coming out this past week from interesting studies being done in Mesopotamia and Egypt and all these places where they're starting to uncover fossils that have intact mitochondrial

fossil remnants in there. And so our estimate of when respiratory jump happened just move back and prove another 1.5 billion years up until the last week's publication our deepest evidence that there were mitochondria inside of multisarra life was around 1 billion or not even like 500 million years ago. But we know by just the process of finding fossils and knowing that there was macro life

that it's probably more like 3.5 billion years ago or 3 billion years ago, somewhere in there this innovation of mitochondria came about. But we hadn't been able to see those more ancient. But this last week, I think it's now at 1.6 billion years ago, evidence of the mitochondrial respiratory tree and all that. So it's a very fascinating moment, I think, in science, where we're starting to realize that life is essentially the distillation or concentration of light energy per cubic centimeter.

Physics precedes life. And so physics is basically the periodic chart. We've got lots of elements. Those elements are made of atoms that are clammed together. And those crammed together atoms have a certain number of atomic principles at the nucleus, and then they have a cloud of electrons that are orbiting in kind of a double-torse methodology around that. But at the core of that, you either have one proton neutron, which would be a hydrogen, or you've got 16 at a carbon, or, you know, go ahead and keep building more and more atomic structures at the core of that.

atomic heart and you get more and more heavy isotopes or heavy elements on the periodic chart. And the heaviest ones are like plutonium derived uranium kind of stuff and all those really heavy ones that lead to what nuclear power. So the more energy distilled into a single atom, the heavier it is on the periodic chart. and the brightest thing that physics does is that nuclear fission and fusion and that's what we call a star or a sun in the case of our galaxy here and so that star is a nuclear event that's releasing energy from the atomic potential of the periodic chart and it's fascinating to recognize that to make the leap from star to a single bacteria, you need at least a 10x, if not 1,000x increase in light per cubic

centimeter. To get bacteria to live or get any form of life to perform, you need an extra concentration of that sunlight. Sunlight itself is not bright enough, does not produce enough energy to sustain life. It has to be concentrated by what we now call biology. So physics becomes biology through the concentration of light energy. So that's kind of a big, big background of like, what are we talking about with mitochondria? Mitochondri are the most profound biologic innovation in concentrating the amount of light released per cubic centimeter. And where is that light coming from? It's ultimately sunshine that's collected by chlorophyll, which are specialized mitochondria inside of plants.

And actually, we now know that we have chlorophyll-like activity even in the human body. So when you get exposed to sunshine, you can actually capture that energy as well. But that energy is sunlight stored between two carbons. So there's a double carbon bond that is formed out of CO2. Two molecules of CO2 become a double carbon. And you start zippering carbons together and you get a long chain of carbons. And then we call that a carbohydrate or a sugar or we call it a fat fatty acid. And there's lots of different carbohydrate structures and there's lots of different fatty acid structures.

But the inherent backbone is this long carbon chain. and to get the fat or the sugar to turn it into energy for biology, you have to break the carbon bond and release the sunshine. And so when I say mitochondria are the biggest innovation in light per cubic centimeter, what's happening is you're collecting lots and lots of potential sunlight in all of the long carbon chains, glucose, sugars, fatty acids, and then you're releasing them in a very small amount of space.

And current estimates are that a cubic centimeter of mitochondria, roughly equal to a cubic centimeter of human tissue can release 10,000 times more sunlight than a cubic centimeter the sun produces. And so a human burns 10,000 times brighter than a cubic centimeter of the sun per cubic centimeter. And so that innovation is really what allowed us to leap to this potential of an earthworm or a dinosaur or a human. We needed that much light to produce a body that could self-organize in a womb and produce a living or an alive fetus that would then without an egg, you know, be born straight into the atmosphere of earth and be a mammal. And so that innovation of multiserable life all the way marching to the mammals all the way into,

you know, homo erectus, homo sapiens, you know, all of this, all of that took more and more and more light energy. And so that takes me to kind of the end of the story of my beginnings, which was, I was very fascinated as an endocrinologist, which is the study of how hormones coordinate energy within the body. The specialty is actually called endocrinology and metabolism. And so as a medical doctor of endocrinology and metabolism, you're looking at the study of the coordination of complex multicellular life to produce energy metabolism. And metabolism is not done by a human cell.

It's done by the mitochondria. living inside the human cells. And so endocrinology was this very cool field that most people still don't realize, even endocrinologists being trained today, don't realize that they are being trained into ecosystem science. And it took me 10 years to figure that out.

But the exciting thing that really started to happen for me was I started to realize that disease is simply a reduction in that light energy. Disease doesn't happen to a healthy human body. Disease is a symptom of a reducing light potential within that previously healthy human body. And so that started taking my medical career that this time I'd been in academia for 17 years or something. And I had been basically trained to believe that the human body is super complex. And disease is super complex.

And so we need really complex, biologic chemical science to produce, man-made chemicals to modify disease so that you can get somebody back there. So I had this just ludicrously complex map in my head of like a human body, human biology, mitochondrial metabolism, respiratory and functional enzyme pathways, disease pathways, drug pathways. I almost want to just vomit when I think about how much stuff I had crammed in my head about all this new, you know, nuanced detail. And then suddenly around 2008 in my science lab, I was starting to really make some breakthroughs around nutrition or nutrients to kill cancer cells. And the place that they were interacting was around this tiny little protein in Kube TF1 as a regulatory step for the mitochondria

to either decide to sustain the life within the human cell or to eliminate life for the human cell. And that process is called apatosis or program cell suesal. And what I was realizing is that I could actually feed cancer cells really high nutrient density and kill them. And it wasn't a poisoning. It was a feed them so much that they realize that they are an unhealed cell and they eliminate themselves. So they literally will just dissolve through that apatosis.

It looks almost like bubble tea where the cell just like turns into all these tiny, tiny little bubbles in gently disappears. It doesn't require an immune cell. doesn't require inflammation, it just simply releases life. And now, you know, 20 years later, when I'm sitting with all these indigenous wisdom keepers from around the world, you find out that's how we used to do at the macro level. You would wake up one morning and realize,

oh, this is my last day, you would go for a walk in the woods, find your favorite tree, release the body, and you are gone. That's what a cancer cell or a damaged human cell is capable of, when it's given enough nutrient. It knows its endpoint, and it releases it gently. It says, ah, I can't reproduce anymore. I can no longer repair myself anymore.

I have reached the end of my useful contribution to the larger organism that we would call human. And so I'm going to release this human identity as a cell, and I'm going to go back into the ethers, and to replace me as a brand new stem cell, it's going to make a new liver cell or a new gut cell or whatever it is. So that's the dance that I've been on over these years,

years, I think, in a long-winded answer to your very first question, which is light is really the definition of reality, I would say. So what makes a physical reality is light and its many expressions. The difference between physics and biology is a concentration of light energy by at least a thousandfold to make single cell and 10,000 fold to make multicellular life possible. And where we find ourselves now is at this diminishing light threshold. of humanity, which is leading to this explosion of disease. Okay, so there's a lot that was just phrased there. The realization that we are literally beings of light,

which is outside of it just being fun to say, is a powerful realization when we look at the widespread diseases that are happening right now where you kind of spoke to how we can get so nuanced and specialize into trying to treat an actual disease with our nuanced understanding of certain minute details, but you're like inviting a macro look at the human being from a more holistic sense and how disease can, I just wanted you to dive a little bit deeper into the liberation of light

in the human cell and also we can go into the dimming of it, right? Because the dimming of metabolism due to glyphosate in the chemical industry at large is a huge contributor to that metabolism diminishing. So I would love for you to lay the ground of glyphosate, the dimming of our metabolism, and then the liberation of that light. Yeah. So the light energy as it's released from the mitochondria is the mitochondria are little bacteria that are really curious in structure, actually. If you've ever seen a little biology video about bacteria, you used to seeing the little oblong globs. Maybe they have a tail.

maybe they don't and they kind of bump it and they maybe have a fuzzy little boundary and border and all this stuff. Mitochondria are much more unique looking. As they've become more and more capable of producing more and more energy, they turn in these very oblong and sometimes folded structures within the human cell. And so when you do electron microscopy to identify the mitochondria inside of a human cell, it always gives me goosebumps because it looks far more. inner city like than than you would expect. It looks like somebody went and designed a subway system

inside your cells, right? It's like so structural in its tubes and it's, you know, it's just, it always kind of creeps me out because it's like, man, that is so tiny, number one. Like, you're looking at a cell within a human cell that's down at just a few microns. So a human cell is may be anywhere from 10 to 100 microns across in size. And you could have 200, on average, you have 200 mitochondria inside every single human cell. And they have to live within a very certain compartment within that cell, which is called the cytoplasm. So they can't live in the nucleus.

And so they're kind of crammed into this cytoplasmic environment. If you go to a biology textbook, it always shows you two mitochondria inside the human cell. Like these are the power plants. Like if they actually drew all the mitochondria inside the cell, you wouldn't be able to see anything else. And so they'd be like, well, somewhere deep and between all those mitochondria is a human nucleus. But so we depict it as if they're rare within the human environment. But they really are the human cell.

Like they are just cram full in that cytoplasm. And they fold into each other to make more room. And, I mean, it's just very maximized for efficiency. And so these things crammed inside your cells are pumping the glucose and fatty acids, the long-chain carbons through their membranes to break apart the carbons back into CO2. And to do that, it needs water. And when I say water, I'm really talking about hydrogen and oxygen. H-2-0 is the ratio at which hydrogen and oxygen occur in a liquid state of water or a crystal state of water.

But it's never actually H-2-O as a molecule. Like, it's always O-H. There's always an extra hydrogen out there. and the auction is at about a million times a second it's exchanging you know to it's binding to another hydrogen and so there's this ethereal environment inside a a living cell in which the water has become a crystalline gel like structure just like jello the difference between the liquid that you're preparing for jello and then the jello is that that sudden solidification that's what happens when you move from a bloodstream which is liquid pouring through my body into the human cell.

It now is not water. I cut myself a couple days ago when I was picking oranges out of a tree and it caught the back of my thumb. And, wow, immediately blood was coming out, but absolutely no water came out. And that single cut on the back of my thumb probably disrupted a couple million skin cells, all of which are 70% water by volume, and yet none of that water leaked out of my body. and the reason why you can cut yourself open and water doesn't come pouring out is because all that water is in a jello state and so there's that gelatin-like structure the gelatin will turn back into liquid once if you know if the injury is deep enough and so you actually can see this with like a twisted ankle right and so that you twist an ankle and immediately

there's pain you just tore a bunch of tissue in there billions of cells maybe got ripped in a big fall and you're like oh my god you can Harley walk, an immediate pain, immediate thing, but it takes hours before it starts to swell. And the swelling happening hours later is the slow dissolution of the gel into liquid again. And so that late edema phase is liquid accumulating from all those damaged cells coming back out of the gel state and then it's attracting to it repair. So now the bloodstream is dumping plasma in there and a bunch of other liquids and all that. but it takes time for that transition to happen because what that light energy that's being produced by the mitochondria is doing is allowing for structure to occur.

So it's taking basically a chaotic environment of water cells bouncing around in the liquid state into a crystal. And so light is the beginning of your journey into centripe in some ways. Centropy is a physics word that means order out of chaos. and so from a chaotic water liquid state you're coming into order when you go and become a human cell whereas you organize energy within that human cell and so as you start to think these mitochondria cranking out light energy what you're really starting to experience is the opportunity for physical properties to organize into new complex you know order and that order

just like you would find in a diamond ring or a crystal that you just pulled out of the earth the crystalline structures are very unique in their properties depending on which elements are in the crystal. So you could have quartz crystal or you could have a diamond or you could have Hittite or any of these many different minerals and that make the crystals that you would find in any hippie shop in Boulder where I grew up. All of those different things are going to create different shapes,

different colors, different resonance frequencies to those crystals depending on which minerals are in there. and your human environment is much like this. And so you are literally organizing structure, creating more and more high levels of complex order as you have more and more light to play with. And so the mitochondria are generating light by breaking double carbon bonds

through the use of the release of energy from water. And for that release of energy, the water is able to keep reaching these higher and higher complex levels of structure and complexity. And for that, we get to start to shape life. And the very first things that start to shape

once you get complex water crystals is proteins. And proteins can start to fold in these very complicated crystalline structures within those water plasma environments of the cell and a gel-like state. And protein folding is

most mysterious freaking things that we have ever tried to wrap our heads around as scientists and we just ultimately don't know how it happens. But a single long long strand of RNA that's copied from your DNA inside your cells carrying all the genetic potential of a gene. And we now know a single gene can become 200 different proteins depending on the signals from your environment. This is called epigenetics. And so the breath you take, the air you breathe,

the toxins are not toxins, the nutrients are not nutrients. All of those things are deciding which protein is this gene going to make today. And so we have a very scant number of human genes, 20,000 genes, but we can make over 400,000 different proteins from just those mere 20,000 genes because of this freedom to decide in the moment and that decision is being happened, is happening in the plasma state in the liquid crystalline structure of your waters that are informed and allowed to become more and more complex by the amount of light energy in there. And so I think that, you know, I hope that what you're starting to feel is a fascination for life is a concentration of light.

Light as a concentration becomes in a form or order function that allows you to start building more and more complexity. In that space you start to be able to fold proteins, fold DNA, fold nucleotides, in more and more complex sacred geometry, basically. And the reason I say sacred geometry is because we keep finding at the core of all of these things, whether it be a single protein or a DNA double strand

or the possibility of a quaternary strand where a four-stranded DNA, which we are now finding, or 12-stranded DNA, which has been talked about for millennia. If we really have the patients to look down into the water structure of life, we find the same sacred geometry

that's depicted in every religion that's ever been out there from the cobbler tree and the study of Kabbalah back in ancient Hebrew times or Babylonian scriptures or ancient Chinese depictions. It just doesn't matter which people group you go back in. At the macro level, we were depicting in our spiritual art, in our architecture, designs that we're now finding in the water structures of human cells, now that we have the technology to look deep enough inside of ourselves, to find out that we are probably the original temple.

we are that original design of this most complex expression of light interacting with water, interacting with protein, or the expression of building blocks of life itself. And for that, we built these temples that we call bodies, you know, and it's for all of that that I have ultimately closed my clinic. I have let go of my prescription capacity as a doctor. I can no longer prescribe drugs because I am convinced the only thing I can really do with a drug now is harm. There is no way that a human, myself or otherwise, is going to find a new chemical that is going

to change the potential or capacity of that temple to do itself better. I just wholly now understand that to be absolutely an impossible premise because the design was so perfect at its origin. And any disease is a decrement away from that original design, not a failure of the design. that now needs to be improved. And that is, in a nutshell, my last 35 years was realizing, boy, I can study the hell out of, I can become the number one doctor in the world, I can become the number one academician in the world,

and I will never improve that original design. And furthermore, that entire 17 years in academia gave me absolutely no tools in the toolbox to get people back to their original design. and so if I don't have something in my toolbox to get you back to your original design, then I am not a healer. I am a technician for a pharmaceutical, chemical, industrial complex, and there can be pros and cons that's not a judgment, it's just that's what we should be called, not doctors, you know, not physicians, we should be called drug technicians for a medical, you know, pharmaceutical

industrial complex. Because that's all I could do was to hand out more drugs that were none of them naturally occurring compounds. They were naturally occurring compounds perhaps at one time in their imagination, and then they got perturbed into these broken, defined, refined, reduced versions of nature so that they could be patented and so they could be sold and all the usual typical things that are necessary in our current economics. But the excitement that I have now, you know, fast forward 13 years after leaving academia, is, oh my gosh, every single person that walks into, my clinic or my life has inside of them the original design.

And they have an original metric within them of how far they are from that original design. And they have a blueprint on how to get back to that original design. And so that's what my fascination has become over the last 13 years is how do we get people back into that right relationship with light energy, which ultimately has led me back into understanding that we have to get back into right relationship with micro, Cereps. Certainly the mitochondria within us is ground zero at the human biology side, but those mitochondria need to be fed. And to get those mitochondria nurtured, they need their cousins in the microbiome of the gut and ultimately on the skin and every other organist system that holds the microbiome. It needs a direct relationship back to that nature, back to the soil systems of the body,

which are then directly connected to the literal soil systems around us. And that's how I have found myself slowly back to this cross-section, I think, of my career of now I can't think about human health without thinking about planetary health because the two are intrinsically linked and cannot be split. And so when we see a chronic disease epidemic in humans, as we do today, we know that there was a break in our right relationship with nature itself at the soil level, at the microbiome level, ultimately deteriorating that mitochondrial potential within us. And for that, the temple is going dim. So much we can open up there. That was so lovely. Thank you for sharing the, so it sounds like for our listeners to ground this in like the realization is the temple within is going dim and the reasons for that. And so how would you say this understanding of what you're sharing, its implications and behavioral changes for our listener? Like what is the power of this understanding and how it actually affects how we live? Yeah.

So many layers to that, that seemingly simple question. But if we look back in human history, we can recognize that disease has always been with us, right? We can, as far back as there's records, there's been some mention of disease somewhere in the mix. So it's not like this new relationship to a dim biology that produces disease is new. What's happened is there have been an acceleration of that. And so we're seeing disease at a much younger rate now. seeing children born with disease. We are seeing two-year-olds with cancers that we hadn't seen. When I started training, osteosarcoma was seen in 85-year-olds. Now we have a whole hospital

suites down in Texas Children's Hospital for osteosarcoma and three-year-olds. So, you know, the speed at which we are are decrementing our light energy within the human temple there is really kind of astonishing. But it's not new in its phenomenon. So what does start to break that relationship at that light level of the mitochondrial production and then its capacity to build this hierarchical complexity or centripe within your water systems, protein system, right? It turns out that it's basically, in a nutshell, you could think of the word coherence, I suppose, but as you lose coherence of the light within the body, you can imagine this kind of like static in a television. If you're old enough to have remembered TV before, you know,

cable satellite, I guess. We used to have these things called rabbit ears on top of every TV, these antenna. And maybe you've seen them on, if you've never seen it in person, you've seen it in a comic strip or something like that. But these little bunny ears were sitting on top of every television. And if you turn to CBS or your channel 6 or whatever, you're trying to tune in, you would have to adjust the antenna slightly to get the static out of the image. the static is discoherent or non-belonging information that's entering that channel or that station that you're trying to tune into. You're going to experience this on an FM dial, actually.

I guess you can't see that anymore either. But nonetheless, when you're trying to tune into a single station or a channel of information, you need coherence. And to do that, you need the antenna to be very well-tuned to the information that you're trying to receive. each human body has complex antenna within it and that antenna is actually the DNA itself and so when a double-stranded DNA peels apart it literally looks like rabbit ears it has these two long ends on it

that then stick out into the vibration of the environment and those two long ends vibrating are going to either very clearly say I am human this is my identity this is my body I remember self and it's going to go and heal itself to its full potential or recreate itself, stem cells, et cetera, et cetera.

Or there's going to be misinformation and static in the field, and the DNA won't quite figure out what am I supposed to be right now? And so it might realize, well, I must be damaged then, and so I'm going to make a repair thing, or I'm going to trigger inflammation. I'm going to start to try to regenerate a damaged system here. And so that deep self-identity depends on how clear of a signal are you getting from the original vibration of self, if you will. And the things that start to introduce the static

are pretty well predictable based on your own life. You've experienced these things. You can do it without any contact with the outside environment. You can do it through the mind, stress, lack of sleep, fear, guilt, shame, these disempowering emotions that we've learned to program each other with in our egoic minds are some of the most potent ways to introduce static to the antenna.

And so now suddenly you're not able to go back to your original design and you produce some sort of decrement or dis-eased version of previous self because you can't quite get the clear signal. And so that's basically how disease starts to accumulate, is stress in the system of some sort. Static being that stress starts to misshate. your re-expression of self. Aging is a slow forgetting of who you are, basically.

Aging is this decremental expression of a physical body that's losing touch with the original design that happened inside the womb. And I see myself aging, and I'm fascinated by that. I'm like, wow, I am literally, because of my human mind and my abstract belief systems of who I am, designing a body that is disconnected or discordant or static filled compared to the thing that helped me self-organized 70 trillion cells into my human body inside the womb of my mother. And so as a physician, it's been my fascination to start to look back into that womb and for myself

and say, what are the aspects of myself? And you can almost do this physically where you're just like look back in time to your left and look deep back into that womb space and start to just inquire there. Feel that for yourself. What was the sensation of becoming self? Becoming a physical manifestation of something ancient, something perfectly designed before biology became real in my mother's womb, my physical self must have known itself very well

because it was able to pull biology to it and organize it. in this complex quaternary structure that we would call a human body. So what did that feel like to be inside the womb? And everything that we've seen heal people really is taking back into a womb-like experience. Silence, meditation, breath work, you know, the powerful therapies of what I would call float medicine where you can go into a float tank

can literally just be in silence floating in a magnesium bath. It's so full of salt, it's like 100 times saltier than the ocean. And in these plasma states of liquid, you start to heal, you start to do repair. And so the closer you can bring your own physical environment into this, and now you're seeing it come out of, you know, fortunately, I think the biohacking era of like everybody needed glucose monitor and aura rings and all this, we're starting to realize, no, no, no, no, you need to be in silence. You need a cold bath and you need a hot sauna.

You need the elements to take you into silence and listening at the cellular level of who was I before I had my first emotion that started to deprogram my original design. And so that process is really exciting to me. We're going to start backing this up, backing this up, backing this up into this womb-like experience. And I can simply just check in with my own embryo every day now. Just a gentle look to the left.

look into my womb state and wonder at it like what can you inform me can you can i what can i remember back into the womb which was just a fraction of time ago it was only 50 years ago that i was in that womb and humans have been around 300,000 years life's been around 4 billion on the planet so my goodness 50 years ago that's like i should have a very clear connect to that original mathematical design of the womb and so it's an interesting inquiry thing for all of us is what have I come to believe that allows me to age and disease that I didn't believe then, that I did not know then. And in that same way, the science has gotten really exciting because that's kind of at the macro physician level. But at the scientist level, I have gotten very excited with my colleagues that now run the biomedical lab that I launched after I left the university.

Tiny little rural clinic, no money. we decided we're going to start this little biotech lab $10,000. 401K cashed in, start this little lab. So goofy. And immediately we were getting results and answers at the science level that we could not have imagined, you know, just a few months earlier in the academic setting. Because we were simply listening instead of expecting. I think that's the wound of the academician that needs to get the grant,

to do the protein to do the thing is you got to prove something you got to be the expert in that once i left the academia and i started to be able just be like what the hell is a mitochondria what is light energy what where does this all begin and how does it relate to the ecosystems then we could start to study the impact of ecosystem information back into the human system and just watch and observe and finally i was becoming a real scientist because the real scientist doesn't go in with an agenda. Real scientists goes in with just pure curiosity. And that, I think, is what's been robbed from academia as a whole is curiosity as a driving element.

Children at a very young age now are taught that school is about get the grades, so you can get to the university, so you can get the jobs, so you can get the things, so you can get the cars, you can get the house, so you can do the thing, and you can have the family, and then you can die. where is the kid said and told that welcome to a world where you are alive you have a driving force inside of you from an original design of a temple that now vibrates in light frequency and your purpose is to be really freaking curious and out of that curiosity you're going to find your divine right to create well that would be a slightly different message that i could have heard in kindergarten or in my graduating day of medical school and i never heard it i never heard it i never heard heard curiosity as stole in the academic environment. And that's a terrifying reality. And now, as a scientist, I get to be joined by scientists that are far smarter and far better at basic science research than I ever was now running our lab. And Xi Shown Wang is just, he's our daily director of the lab, and he just does a phenomenal job.

He's an MD PhD out of China. And his capacity for patients of setting up the study and listening into the vibration of nature through that has just revealed to us again and again year after year some of the most astonishing realities of nature. And you mentioned glyphosate, which is our lab's area of expertise. If we have one, it's in the relationship of glyphosate, which is the primary herbicide or weed killer on the planet. and human systems. Mitochondria being one of those, but also bacteria and the human cells structures themselves, human proteins, not just mitochondria.

And so that's been our fascination over the years of how does the chemical industry add to this emotional, psychological belief that we are separate from nature? And the answer is every chemical we tend to put into our environment tends to further deepen the wound, break our relationship, break the direct relationship, to that light energy somewhere in the core. And glyphosate is now the most ubiquitous chemical on the planet.

4 billion pounds of that chemical are poured into our water, soil and air systems every single year now globally. And so if we want to know ground zero right now from our break in our relationship to nature, I would give it that single chemical name, glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in Roundup, which is probably on the shelf of every garage, of everybody that's listening right now. but roundup glyphosate is the chemical machete

that cuts the relationship between soil and its life within it, the microbes, as well as the protein structures within our gut, leading to leaky gut, leaky brain, leaky kidneys, all of this stuff. And so I picture it literally as a machete. It goes through and just starts cutting relationships. And so ultimately the isolation that has to occur for disease to be prevalent or for a single cancer cell to occur, you have to cut so many relationships. You have to create so much isolation in that cell so that it can become cancerous. Cancer is ultimately the penultimate loss of self-identity because you are so far from that womb like remembrance that you only know survival at all costs.

And the all cost is death itself. And so you are willing to kill the organism itself in the effort to preserve the single cell because it is so lost its original identity. And so this is our journey at this point is realizing, wow, we have as a technological food system in our dependence and chemicals engineered a moment where humanity would completely forget itself and therefore express disease and extinction. and the exciting thing about knowing that is that we can change direction. So this is ultimately empowering when you realize the simplicity of healing of, you know, exposure to the elements, proper nutrition, sleep, these things that bring the body back into its original math or coherent state. But now living in society that we live in, it becomes, well, used to be so simple,

becomes much more complicated when the nutrition and the food that we would have eaten is now, tainted with glyphosate or the myriad of different ways in which the chemical industry or pharmaceutical complex makes healing such a what was once simple process much more complicated. And so what are the most empowering realizations of how we can keep glyphosate just out of our own system first and foremost to just really ground this in as, you know, in practical takeaways for individuals? What would you say there? The belief that we needed herbicides, you know, weed killers as part of our food system was a falsehood.

And so that's really good news. We don't need weed killers to grow food. We did not have weed killers up until the 1950s, and they weren't necessary because the plants were robust in the world. We undermined soil health with the dust bowl, the 1920s, 30s, 40s. We undermine the health of soils globally by overtilling, over-discing, the loss. land and by breaking all of those mycelial networks, breaking all the root systems over and over and over again, we destroyed nutrient delivery and nutrient cooperation and creation within soil systems, and therefore plants became weak. With the greener evolution, we figured out if we just poured

enough nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium, NPK fertilizer from fossil fuels, so we would take oil out of the ground, turn it into MPK fertilizer, poured on dead dirt, and plants would suddenly grow better. Well, that convinced us we had cracked the code on life of like, oh, if there's enough MPK, then the plants will just be better, and we don't have to worry about changing our behavior otherwise. So we started pouring in MPK fertilizers, and we got green crops, and they were growing faster than never grown because we were basically putting the fuel on the fire or the accelerant of biology and light energy in there, but we weren't providing the nutrients. We were just pouring gasoline on the fire, but we weren't giving it more wood. And so there was no more carbon left in the soil systems by the 1970s and 80s. And so by forcing the fire to burn without extra wood, we had basically burned everything to ash inside the cell. The wood is a carbon source for a fire.

It's long-chain carbons, glucose, carbohydrates, fatty acids, oils, et cetera. And so the chunk of wood for the fire is the same thing as carbon, nutrients, and all of that for a soil system or it's the same thing as a mushroom or a steak in my belly. Lots of potential energy caught up in fats and carbohydrate structures and all of this.

And so we depleted the fire system by the 1980s and before this really by the 1960s plants were starting to grow at fast rates with weak immune systems. They didn't have nutrient density. And with a weak immune system, plants become very vulnerable to invasive

competition with weeds. Weeds inherently are looking to help improve biodiversity. Our monoculture cropping of corn, soybean, and potatoes, and everything else we were monocropping in the 1950s was undermining that biologic rule of biodiversity, and our soils were lacking nutrients. And so the only option for nature of that point is to attack. You need more life, more diversity in there. So you get insects to come and wipe out monoculture.

you get insects to come wipe out any plant that has a weakened immune system. And then you get weeds coming in to create the nutrient diversity, biodiversity, necessary for any square meter of soil. And then we blamed the insects and we blamed the weeds as if they were the problem when in fact they were nature's answer to our breaking of the biologic code of diversity. And so we started spraying the weeds with herbicides. And so my encouragement to humanity is we never needed these chemicals until we broke the rules of biology. We can stop breaking the rules of biology and we can start to foster

biodiversity in every meter of soil. And for you guys listening, that has to start with you. That has to start in your home. How are you going to start creating more diversity in your living room? You need plants in there. You need some plants living in there. You need some moss growing in there. You need to start getting life back in there. And the second you step out of your home, where is your diversity at? Is there a pot growing a tomato on the patio or on the front stoop? Is there an opportunity to tear up all that Kentucky bluegrass and start planting a food forest in your front yard, in your backyard? How are you going to start playing the rule of life, playing the game of life, which is biodiversityification at every opportunity? And when you start to play that game, the role for herbicides and insecticides and pesticides all go away because the plants that are now in that biologic diversity are so robust, there's no three.

threat to them. The insects don't come by. There's no need for invasive weeds anymore because you've already created the biodiversity there. So my great encouragement to everybody, homeowner to farmer, to government agent is that there is an easy way to step back into right relationship with nature. To be in right relationship to nature as a species that's multi-southern and intelligent, we must be the best pollinators, we must be the best co-creators with the potential of life to push for biodiversity at every single moment. And if we wake up wondering what we can birth today, if we wake up wondering what kind of beauty

can we bring in through diversification of our environment today, we're going to end up with a completely different civilization, totally different societal expression of humanity, total different personal expression of my spirituality, my physicality, my emotionality, if I wake up every morning wondering what I can birth today. most of us are trained steadily to question what do I need to kill today instead and as a doctor that looks like antibiotics antidepressants anti-anxiety anti-everything and so that's unfortunately what the

reductionist approach to the pharmaceutical industry is well we need to kill the insects in the farm you kill the weeds then we now have weak plants weak humans eating those plants and the humans now have invasive weeds that we call microbes or invasive bacteria and so we need antibiotics over there and oh my gosh we need more antibiotics on the farm because there's now fungus killing our orchards and blah blah blah and so from farmer to physician to consumer we're really trained into what can we kill today attitude and for that we're becoming more and more isolated more lonely as a species more and more lonesome as a biology and therefore we're expressing cancer at this insane rate and on our way to cancer we get obesity first, then diabetes, then autoimmunity, then I'd say

bone marrow dysfunction next, and then after that you end up with deeper dysfunctions in regards to chronic pain syndromes, degenerative neurologic conditions, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia's, movement disorders, chronic pain syndrome, chronic regional pain syndromes, like all of this didn't exist in 1992 when I started, you know, my medical training, it all happened. 1990s, 2000s. And so we have this excitement for me, I think, of right relationship

with nature, rebirthing the biodiversity around us, rebirthing biodiversity at the cellular level. And that's been our joy at the lab is to show that this actually can be proven in the scientific world that if you take the diversity of ancient soil systems not touched by human hands,

we go back about 60 million years ago to kind of the richest soil, deposits that earth has provided us and we take extracts of that and add that back to human cells that have been damaged by glyphosate and what you immediately see is healing and so nature is the antidote to humanity's wounds and i'm fascinated by that grace i'm fascinated by that beauty of her message which is you cannot actually make a mistake too big for me that's nature's little sweet message every days, oh, you just grew up? No problem. I'm bigger. And that's ultimately what a mother does. And the mother never freaks out of the kid for not eating, you know, their vegetables today.

Because, you know, frustrating as heck, you want to eat your broccoli. But you know what? Tomorrow you're going to grow up and you're going to start eating broccoli. And so nature is waiting for us to start eating the broccoli ultimately, you know, nature is waiting for us to get past our infantile tantrums. Well, I want this. I deserve that. I do this. blah, blah, blah, and just start to receive from her. And so I have, on my scientific journey, I think finally started to relax into a journey towards abundance. And whether we go extinct as our current expression of humanity or not, is starting to become a little bit irrelevant to my emotional journey.

It's more like what comes after that gets super interesting to me. We are now in our hospice moment. We are so dim as a species now that we are going extinct. And the way that that looks biologically is ultimately a failure of fertility. One in three males in Western countries are now infertile by sperm count, one in three. That's about a 75% drop in sperm counts over the last 50 years in Western countries. And we haven't flattened that curve out. It's still diving straight down.

And so we will likely be at 1 and 2 by 2030, 2035 somewhere in that zone. And when 50% of your species is infertile and the likelihood of fertility in the best of times, it's only 50%. Now you're down at like 25%. Now you have collapsing populations all over the world. And this is already happening in China. It's already happening in the United States. It's already starting to trend that way. In India, one of our fastest growing populations globally historically is now plateauing.

And so we are seeing the end of times in regards to the human thing because we can no longer birth ourselves. And when we fail in fertility, the species ultimately disappears. And so we're in our hospice moment. Some people are estimating that we probably have 60 to 80 years left at best case scenario for human fertility and survival in the way of our capacity to procreate. And that includes in a test tube. like test tube fertility still relies on the ultimate genetics within the cell. And it's inside the genetics of the cell that we set off the nuclear bomb of the chemical industry and everything else that's now playing out as infertility.

It's DDT back in the day. It's glyphosate. It's atrazine. It's 2.4D. It's Agent Orange. It's all the chemicals that we poured into our environment since the 1940s and 50s. So we are now the genetic consequences of all of that cumulative trauma at the human genomic level. So we can't, when we find ourselves unable to have children, so we go to the fertility clinic, quote unquote,

fertility clinics should not be called fertility clinics. They should be called last ditch effort for humanity clinics. Because as soon as a sperm can no longer naturally go and fertilize an egg, you've lost all the fundamentals of vitality already. And so now if you go force that in a test tube to produce a baby, that baby inherently is at a lower end. energetic level. And so they're starting with a lower deck of cards because the cells that birthed them were artificially allowed to do that. They were dim, therefore they could not do it themselves. They didn't have the protein synthesis allowing the sperm to be modal enough, didn't have the egg fertile enough to be able to support the entry of the sperm, didn't have enough zinc inside the cell to do the light explosion that happens at the moment of fertility. If you haven't seen that,

by the way, just check that out on. I think you can Google that. Zinc light burst at moment of conception. It's unbelievably beautiful. But it's been captured many times and many labs around the world now that as soon as a sperm successfully introduces its vitality into an ovum,

ovum goes literally into this supernova bright flash. And it's a flash that's so bright per cubic centimeter again that, you know, a lot of people are calling this the God moment. This is the moment where consciousness arrives inside that cell. Consciousness is simply a description of enough light energy for biology, for life to do its centripy moment. And so that spark, and it's known to happen through these zinc molecules that are these zinc atoms that are lined up within that embryonic moment. and that zinc catalyzes this

massive lightning bolt of energy through that cell and at that moment centropy occurs and the potential for that life comes into that cell and so when we start to fail

in that initial spark of life within us and we start to force that and attest to all we're really doing is kicking the can down the road of extinction at that point so what must we do now?

So what must we do now if we are to be discharged from hospice, which delightfully happens pretty often in the hospice world, at least 10% of patients admitted to hospice with three weeks to three months to live, have to be discharged nine months later because they found new life within themselves, and I've now designed a new body and no longer have the disease that was killing them, and they go on to live a new chapter of life. And so we have the option, I believe, at this time, to be discharged from hospice. we know enough about the physics and quantum physics and ultimately the biology of life itself that we could realign our human expression with an original design that dwells within each of us

that allowed us to knit ourselves together in the womb of our mothers we can absolutely realign and in that realignment we can burst something that hasn't happened in generations and maybe hasn't happened since really near the origin of humanity itself. Because very early in that human journey, we have record in the anthropologic histories and everything else that we had the egoic belief that we were separate. And so we warred against each other. We killed one another. We killed the planet beneath our own feet.

We hunted to extinction, animals all around us that were bigger and looked threatening to us. And so we have been doing the fear, guilt, shame, pattern of human biology since our origin perhaps, which gets me super excited because we could actually, instead of remembering ourselves to the point of repeating history, we could remember ourselves to the point of a new history. And that's really compelling. And it's really the only thing that we have left because we cannot repeat history now. We just go extinct.

And so I sit here with you in such curiosity with you again as a friend and a colleague, Because there's something in you that drives you to the curiosity to want to sit in conversation with another person on another podcast and sit for hours listening to my monologues that probably last an hour each. You have a curiosity within you, which makes me believe when I see that spark of light inside of you, whether we be sitting here and your beautiful home here or traveling Egypt together a few months ago, what I see in you is light. I see in you, Andre, a being that is remembering self constantly, always returning to self, returning yourself, and then you kind of get off the beaten path because you're human like me, and then we have to come into fellowship, and we have to do crazy adventures and pyramids and everything else to remind each other, you're bigger than you are being told. You are more powerful than the world wants you to know. You have an original design in you that is so perfect that no human being can change or perturb the

perfection within you. and can I be witness to you aligning deeper to self? And that's ultimately what we got to do in fellowship with those 30 or 40 people we were with in Egypt is holding ourselves in the opportunity for realignment to something more anxious than this physical life. Can you remember what you were before this physical life? In the womb, yes, but what before that womb moment?

What before that womb moment? What star were you? What, you know, a cosmic experience? What other life did you maybe experience on this planet or somewhere else? How far back can we go in our memory bank to express something that perhaps has been forgotten as a possibility? And for that, I'm really honored to be in fellowship with you and to everybody on this listening right now. You guys are each tuning into this podcast because your higher self or your past self or your womb self knew that you were ready for the message of return.

you can return to something so much more vast, so much more perfect, and so true that it can never be changed. No matter how much glyphosates on the planet, no much human guilt, shame, fear we might play into that story of chemical dependence and extinction and climate crisis and all this stuff that's being thrown in as. None of that diminishes your capacity to be something completely new right now in your remembrance of something deeper than that. the human journey that we have in our histories. And so this is our moment to see each other. And it's an honor for me to be witness to your constant co-creation of self. And I feel like when I get to see the purest version of you, because you and I haven't been blessed with thousands of hours of social time together.

But in the times that we have spent, when I watch you tune a guitar and just play in the corner, not to anybody, you just tuning up and you're playing away in the corner. or I walk in and you're playing piano and in your home. That's a being that is aligning with information within the universe, within itself, to re-express itself to some sort of higher design than anybody can ultimately tell you on a podcast or tell you in a conversation or tell you in a textbook or tell you in a classroom or anything else.

And so I celebrate in you, Andre, the musician within you, because in that is this non-verbal connection to the vibration that your antenna at the DNA level is picking up. And as you tune into self, as you clean up the vibrational frequencies you're playing in, your biology is remembering itself back into some sort of higher order, higher temple design. And it won't surprise me if it's you or one of your colleagues that becomes that first human, that of course miracles and many other bodies of wisdom have said will occur in this time. Somebody is going to complete the original design, and in that moment they will be seen by another who is completing their design.

And when two human beings finally get to see each other, there will be so much beauty witnessed that the frequency of love created will be so profound that it will transmute the possibility and potential of human biology across the entire species, which will change the vibration of the entire planet, which will then have immediate ripple effect through entire cosmos and universe. And so this is the promise of prophecies from indigenous peoples and everything else's. Andre has the potential to be seen. And when somebody sees him, they will be just so dumbfounded by the beauty. They see that they will have no choice but resonate in a frequency of love that's never

been achieved before. And that will be the transformational moment that forgives, literally forgives the whole human journey into our poisoning of self, poisoning of humanity, poisoning of the planet, and we get to remember this glory that is within you. I don't even know how to respond to that. I was just so profound from beginning to end. First off, thank you. It's an honor and joy to be here with you and to see you, seeing me, seeing you, in this great mirror and reflection of consciousness and what you're speaking to of both the catastrophic devastation of humans approaching this extinction and hospice moment for humanity, but also on the flip side, the great capacity that we have in this moment

for remembrance to remember self and that we get to be the example for others to be in the presence of that, that then inspires them to go on that journey as well, that there are things that we can do just by being in this conversation feel more and more coming into a coherent vibration and resonance that inherently like the intelligence of nature heals itself right you said there's no mistake we can't make that nature isn't too big to to heal and to fix and to be witnessed to and so it feels like so sad on one hand the level of devastation and destruction that's happening on the planet planetarily and also individually but then also uh So profoundly inspiring at the capacity in which we can face shift,

at the capacity in which we can completely reverse the damage that has been done. And I feel, you know, we are always in a balance and dance between which story, which narrative we're listening to, which timeline are we embracing individually and what are we stewarding in our communities also. And so thank you for being a steward for the intelligence of nature to be able to spread versus the egoic human intellect, which is going to try to continue to fix the problems from the same level of consciousness

that created it in the first place. And it's just a new possibility that I'm blessed to be witnessed to and partake in. And so I also honor the musician and you that there's something so beautiful and the inherent, I mean, for me, there's something deep

into the state of flow that one can get when you're playing music, that you're like reattuning yourself. as you're tuning in guitar. And when you play music, there's something so changing in the vibration of sound. And yeah, man, it's just an honor to be able to go on this journey together. And yeah, there's so much reverence to life.

I feel like I've been able to witness in this journey. And even going in Egypt together, it feels like it was a few months ago. It feels like it was a lifetime. It was really only like three, four weeks. This is crazy that we were out in Egypt. It does feel like a lifetime ago. It does. It really does.

But yeah, like less than a month ago, we were out exploring the ancient mysteries of Egypt and the Giza Plateau and the great pyramids on that strip. And also in Sakara and Abu Rwash and all these great sacred sites, which I feel are representations of the possibility to energetically awaken to that new timeline. And being in the presence of something so magnificent, I feel like really allows us to awaken to that power and the capacity we have for that. magnificence within us. So it was such an eye-opening time. I wish everybody can experience the wonders of the world like that and how that feeling of awe can inspire you and just open you up to such a new level of perception.

Because on the flip side of glyphosate and all these things that we're speaking to that are really diminishing our receptivity and diminishing our ability to be sensitive to the environment, there are structures, there are information, there are people, there are new, you know, things within our environment that bring us back into that coherent state like we're speaking to that open us back up into that remembrance. And so what a ride. What a ride.

It's true. And I'm actually working this next week of taking a little bit of time off one afternoon to try to integrate what happened in Egypt. There are a couple of the things that happened there. So, you know, I think there's that's something that we also forget in this, you know, human life that we've been programmed into is the the space time and energy required for remembrance is quite intense if you are going to remember this higher order of self you're going to have to start to prioritize the silence in your life and for me this has taken on very interesting you know qualities because so much of my life is being

defined by the words that come out of my head or the words that come out on paper for the books that I'm working on or the film projects we're working on or whatever it is. And so when your life is constant communication as yours is, every one of you listening right now if you are human, your life from the moment you're off the pillow to the moment you're back on the pillow, in some way you are trying to communicate with the world around you. So the concept of silence can be like kind of overwhelming. I can't possibly. And the excitement that I've started to be able to tap into is, my God, is there so much space between the words.

And so when we start to get into that possibility that there is an infinite space between the next thoughts or between the words that would come out of those thoughts. and you just allow nature to start to be seen between those moments, between the words, suddenly everything is pregnant. There is such fertility in you when you allow an observation and awareness to start to percolate up of how much time there really is between the things that we thought were filling time, but in fact they were holding time. And so all of the sentences I've said to you,

we've proved this even in medical literature, like I can talk to a patient for 10 minutes, so I can talk to them for an hour and a half. They walk away at best with 10% of what I told them. And so you will walk away with 10%, and unfortunately that 10% is not going to be coherent. You'll remember a couple words there and a couple things there, but ultimately what you're doing over the time of this hour and a half

is you are experiencing space-time memory, space-time experience, and the only service that the words are providing is to keep you anchored here for long enough to experience all the information between the words. And I feel this and hear this from people all the time at the end of a talk that I'll give in person or whatever, I'll get off stage and 100 hugs waiting for me and tapping in, and everybody leans into that hug

and they've got their mouth in my ear and they always say, I am so mind blown. Every single thing you said I already knew. And I love the combination of those two things. I'm so glad your mind is blown, meaning you have blown apart your previous beliefs and your perceptions only to find out that you already knew the truth beyond that and behind that and inside of that.

And there was not one iota that I could have added to your knowledge field to make you know something new. I cannot help any of you know anything more because there is nothing more to be known. You know everything. You just can't see it, feel it, remember it in the same way that you perhaps have the opportunity to. So Egypt was a good reminder to us that whole societies, whether they were human, non-human, it's irrelevant. Whole societies came into right relationship with energy such that they were able to

understand energy beyond the planet. And so a pyramid holding these things that we call sarcophagus or these big giant stone boxes, all of which were empty when found, nothing in them and perfectly formed inside into these sacred geometric volumes that were empty on purpose because in their emptiness, they were able to function as batteries. They were holding energy that was being channeled through the structure of the pyramids and all of this, in these vessels within the foundation systems, these deep labyrinths underneath the pyramids, were holding all of these empty vessels

that would charge with energetic frequencies. And for that, they could produce energy for technology. They could produce energy for communication. They could produce all kinds of fascinating, you know, resources, I'm sure. but the fact that it was the emptiness inside of crystal boxes that was found to be the secret to, you know, powering a civilization to its full potential, has deep message in there. And so when we were in that one labyrinth that had just been recently discovered and opened up, we got to see some of those empty boxes with their tops, you know, pivoted off slightly. and just the silence that could occur when you're deep underground in these tiny little tunnels that you're crawling through

because they're not tall enough to stand up in and you come to one of these boxes and the goosebumps of feeling the energy as you reach your hand inside of one of those, you can feel like you're reaching into some other portals, through a portal into some other reality. I am convinced that this is what happens inside every single human cell. Inside every human cell as a perfect temple are boxes of emptiness that we call atoms.

There are boxes of emptiness that we call mitochondria. There is potential space within you to hold so much vibrational information in the form of energy that you could express anything in the cosmos through the genetic and teleconstra. you have. And so we are going to re-express life on this planet. And maybe we hold on to human form, but I'm kind of agnostic to that. Why, I mean, I actually am not terribly impressed with my human form. And ultimately, I'm very grateful for it. But, I mean, have you ever seen an octopus? Like, eight legs, that's freaking brilliant, you know, and you can change colors at any moment. You can become, you know, camouflage incarnate. Like, there is higher levels of intelligence.

in the nature around us at the biologic level that we don't have access to. And so maybe we should just kind of rethink our potential instead of saying, well, we need to just live to 180 years, which is kind of the biohacker dream. But here one more Instagram post of, I'm going to live to 180 because I figured out

how to regulate my morning glucose. I don't freak out. But it's like nobody wants to see your Instagram for another 180 years, first of all. nobody can handle that. Like, we need to let go of the longevity of the human body as the quintessential goal of human biology. Human biology can become something unbelievable, unseen before, because we have all this

unused genomics within us. We're using about one and a half percent of our genome to express our current human genetics. So what does the other 98.5 percent got to offer? You know, and so I offer all of us the opportunity to start to say as we express higher levels of light energy within us, because we start to reroute humanity in that intelligence of nature, which is literally what we do at the science level. Under the microscope, in our lab, we're taking 60 million-year-old soil. No human has ever seen 60 million-year-old soil because we've only been here 300,000 years,

and that 60 million-year-old soil went extinct with the last extinction, 55 million years ago. big asteroid hit, wiped out all the top soils of the earth, we've been struggling back as a planet to build nutrient density back in our soil systems. Top soils today, you know, the deepest stuff that was probably in North America before colonialism destroyed the entire ecosystem here and the soil systems were probably six feet, eight feet deep. Back in the, you know, 55 million, 60 million years ago with the dinosaur era of our planet, we had top soil levels of 25, 30, 35, feet deep. So there was a nutrient density and a potential of life and a biodiversity that was there at the microbial level that simply hasn't been mimicked again since. And so at the intelligence

of nature, which is our lab and our soil system products, we're able to expose human cells for the very first time to this deeper remembrance of the potential of life on Earth. And when we do that, the rate of protein synthesis is insane. The rate at which those human cells can repair has literally just never been seen before. And they can build three-dimensional structures in a freaking petri dish. And so even detached from a human body, they start getting information that allows them to do a regenerative phenomenon that's literally never been witnessed before. And so we've seen stem cells come out of vacuum space.

We've seen all kinds of weird phenomenon happen in a petri dish when you marry these elements of nature, structured catalytic water, within. these small carbon metabolites or snowflakes from carbon metabolism of bacteria and fungi in these ancient systems, that crystalline structure that becomes potential when you have living life force water with ancient memory of the potential of life, humans reimagine themselves in a petriish. And so as you start to put these liquids and nutrients back in your body or you start to experience this for the first time, it is good. gives me goosebumps every time somebody reaches for a new, you know, for the first time for a bottle

of this ancient information because they're about to tie humanity to a new potential, a new opportunity to re-express itself. And so as we have been building the intelligence of nature system over the last 12 years, it's been this awesome journey into reimagining what could the organic garden of human look like rooted deep into a nutrient and a, intelligence and a communication stream that has not been available to the species yet. And for that, I believe we can make these transformational changes in water structure. We can make transformal changes in ultimately the protein structures in the nucleotide sequences that code for those.

We call that DNA. And so we have the opportunity to witness in our laboratory every day the future potential of life on earth. And for that, I'm forever humble. for sure. John Gilday, who's our senior lab director, he's a PhD in microbiology and trained at Johns Hopkins and has done an amazing convoluted career

into so many different spaces of genetics and beyond. But John is one of the most heart-centric humans I know, and I've learned so much from his love for people and his care for people and his care for people connecting back to nature and back. to their capacity to heal again. He's counseled so many people through their own health

and healing journeys over the years and I've been witness to that. And one of my favorite things about John is for big and gregarious as he is. He's got something that we call the day-to-dance. When we get to see something under the microscope that no human has ever seen before, John gets up in the lab

and does this little data dance because somebody, he just got to see something nobody's ever seen before. And so over the last 10 years of working together, in our lab. We worked together actually before our little biotech lab. We worked together at the university. He helped me with a lot of my cancer research.

Incredible microscopist and he actually helped me image the first mitochondrial relationships that we were describing in the beginning and everything else. But over these many years, I've gotten to see John do so many day to dances ultimately because on a weekly basis we get to see

miracles happen. And it's one of those many things that I wish I had been taught in kindergarten and ultimately in medical school, which is miracles are normal. Miracles are a reconnection to a memory of possibility before human emotion. And so as we remember that life is miraculous and miracles are a non-linear revelation of the potential of abundance within a system, we realize that there's absolutely no reason for fear, guilt, and shame. There's no amount of glyphosate on the planet that can actually disrupt the truth of

our biology and our capacity to reroute into nature at a deeper level to become something we've never become before. And so this is our promise as a biologic living system is that it will get more beautiful and it will get more intelligent. Every single extinction has led to that. The systems always get more complex, always more beautiful, or is more biodiverse after every single extinction and the level of intelligence and the biologic forms of life that come after are always more complex and exquisite. And as we're sitting there in Egypt together, as we're sitting there in Egypt together, Andre, I think one of the deep things that I felt in that group of people was that for the first time we were giving each other permission to be something

never seen before. And that was one of the greatest privileges of my life was to be in an environment where there was absolutely no judgment for whatever was going to be expressed. And I think I can count on my finger maybe three times in my life where I've experienced that and none of those three have been held at that level of reverence towards one another that I felt towards everybody that was in that group and I felt from everybody that was in that group and I felt from everybody in that group. And I just want to recognize you and Blue and Robert Grant

and everybody else who curated that group of peoples, but also curated the energy behind the gathering. You guys provided an allowance for me to be something I've never been socially visible in. You allowed me to express myself in ways I've never expressed myself in front of humans before. and I am indebted to you for that. That's a really deep gift to receive from another human being.

So I want to recognize your co-creation in that with Blue and the others. And I also want to encourage you to continue that, continue whatever that was, the larger the vessel you can provide humanity to express itself without judgment, the more radical our transformation is going to be and the more accelerated that transformation will will emerge and so I am really grateful to have been seen in the way that I was in Egypt by you and your colleagues and friends that I can now call my own friends and I really needed that at my

at this point in life. I am more depleted as a human psyche than I've ever been, and I'm so grateful for that, because it's allowing me to reach past my current version of humanness out of necessity tapping into something unseen, unremembered before. And so you offered me that imitation. It came at a moment that was so perfect. And by the end of that trip, and in conversations that I've had with a handful of the people since the trip, I think that every one of us needed that at that moment to make the jump that we were about to make, but couldn't figure out how to do. And so I'm intrigued, as you said, that when we stand in awe of things achieved by past civilizations or societies,

societies. We can get a glimpse of the possibility, the potential of something much greater than we've created together so far. But that pales in comparison and glory to the experience of simply being yourself. And man, did it feel good to be myself for a few days? And I got to tune into things with abandon, and I got to let those express themselves through me in weird ways that are not socially acceptable probably in most of my life and you guys not only allowed me to experience that everybody else had also invited themselves into that same opportunity and so the level of esoteric bizarowness that was happening in any given room at any given moment was could not be described by any English language that I've learned but the beauty of it was so potent and the

tears that were shed the laughter that was had the dances that were man manifest, the music, my God, the voices we heard to sit inside those temples and hear some of those women sing. My God, the voices. It's the closest I've ever come in this human lifetime to hearing what I would describe as angelic voices and the purity that was achieved in some of those voices. The tones that were there and so many of the tones unjoined by words because they just beyond human expression. They were vibrational expressions of cosmic design, sacred geometry, manifest in a vocal cord. And we got to hear things that probably humans haven't heard in a very long time, if ever before. And I am confident that that changed the crystals inside of my cells.

I reached a higher complexity of crystals inside my gel-like state of water because I was in the presence of a pure signal. And for that, everything in the universe changes. This bizarre reality of entanglement that quantum physics has shown us is that your thought right now changes the confirmation of the most distant star. in the cosmos immediately, instantaneously. We now know that in the quantum physics realm, but the times in which we can actually experience that

and say we have witnessed in the human experience are preciously few. And I feel like you gave me an opportunity to see quantum entanglement in the human experiential thing for the beauty that was channeled by the beings that were in those rooms, in those deep chambers, in those high chambers, up in the pyramids, we got to witness things less seen by perhaps many entities within the

universe than we would hope to know. But the preciousness of this is so far beyond. And so I am so at peace with the complete experience of being human right now for, having been there, seen that, felt that, heard that, such that I have continued to be surprised that I keep waking up on a pillow in the morning in the same human body because it feels so complete now. And it doesn't feel good, it feels intense to feel so much. Heartbreak for humans around me, heartbreak from my own psyche, my own frailty, my own repetitive, abusive thoughts that course through a human mind and a day, that that still can exist in me is freaking

mysterious to me because the amount of energy held within my body over these decades of more and more truth revealing itself should blow apart all of that into infinites such that it cannot exist. And so it's a frightening demonstration of the power of human belief that we are able to continue to maintain dysfunctional reductionist fractured belief systems that are abstract and not real in the face of such power, in the face of such potency of the truth within us, within each other. I would be honored if you could take a couple of minutes. and just reflect on what those chambers felt like to you. I think this audience can almost feel it right now in some ways.

But I would love to invite you as a brother and as another human being to just open up the space, as you've been so generous, to open up to me, what the hell was going on in you? and in your experience there. Thank you, man. Thank you. Just like the, you know, you felt there was a non-judgmental space that was provided. Equally, you met that with the willingness to be seen, which is arguably one of the most courageous things that another human can do, really, to be seen in your full glory and

your full mess, like all of it, no matter whatever your truth is, but the willingness to be seen And that also provides a permission slip for all those that are in the space that see you, but then also that are unseen energetically to be able to be seen. And I feel like we all truly want to be seen, understood, we want to be heard. And so just thank you for the permission slip that you were just by virtue of embracing this new change in your life in this new chapter. And just so courageous, man, for everything that you're sharing with such vulnerability and the permission slip that I feel like all of the listeners are tuning into right now.

So thank you. And simultaneously while you feel low, I know that you felt also extreme moments of bliss and expansion and ecstasy. And it's just what a ride to have access to the full spectrum like that. And I feel like with that comes just more information that gets to be transmuted into your own growth, growth for those that get to witness you and everything else. the time in Egypt was so eye-opening and soul-expanding from being in the king's chamber with all those humans and oming and making the sounds with their bodies and going in what is called the sarcophagus, but really that crystal box that you start to hit a resonant frequency in and starts to go won't, won't, won't, one like turns on like a vehicle almost, that, you know, we've kind of lost understanding of the true power of the technology that is in those, chambers was I think activating beyond what the English mind can even prescribe that that is but

definitely felt like a cellular upgrade from my own end and then also how everyone else was experiencing that time you know I for me there was a great space that I feel like was provided and a deeper anchoring into like my own heart awareness that I would say after some time in the king's chamber. I went on a solo journey down to the subterranean chamber at the lowest point, a couple hundred feet underneath in the Great Pyramid. And you have about 13 billion pounds of stone and crystal above you. Energetically, you can feel the weight of that. And I was just, I mean, for the feign of hard or claustrophobic, I wouldn't recommend crawling in that small little tunnel. But once I got to the end of it, just laying down into the pit, just the complete darkness

of that feels like infinite potential simultaneously. And I think that is possibly one of the greatest gifts is to afford ourselves the space to be in the silence, be in the darkness, without acting on any urge or compulsion to do, to be anywhere other than just marinating in the space that is the void of a silent moment in meditation or the subterranean chamber in the Great Pyramid, it felt like a deep remembering of how important it is to allow ourselves

to surrender into the natural seasons and cycles of life. Like we were speaking to earlier, how there is a needed fallow season. Some need to recognize that they are in that fallow season of their own internal journey where things might not be blooming but inherently with that so much is being realized in the fertile soil of future growth that is to come

and so I think that we saw on that journey to Egypt a multitude of expressions of people where they are at on their own journeys whether that is the complete breaking down of everything that they thought they knew or the complete activation of stepping into a new level of creativity that they have access to

ultimately what was you know powerful outside of my own experience was being just witness to the power of human connection and I think that's where the magic is I know that's where the magic is because I feel every single time when people come together in radical presence with vulnerability and the capacity to listen

truly to actually be with another person and not listening with the mind, but with our own presence, with our own being, we get to experience and be witness to what needs to be heard. And with that, I feel like comes the possibility for that change and the exponential growth. So, I mean, thank you for the invitation opening

to share a little bit more about this. Ultimately, it felt like a deeper claiming and owning on a somatic level of what we're here to do in this time and what I'm here to do in this time and who I'm here to be a stand for. And that is much of a privilege as a burden, you know, as it is a burden. Because I think our purpose is, once we realize and feel that, like, what is most pulling

on our heart to do in this life, it becomes, like I said, a great privilege to know that, but also something that is so painful to not act on that you must act, you know. And so for me, part of that is. is facilitating more in a larger container as a bigger vessels for these human connections to happen and to be a bridge for that space. And to keep on doing what I'm doing here and doing it with more reverence and more capacity to listen and be changed to what I hear. And that is something that I love, that I believe Mark Nepo, a quote of his, was to listen is to lean in gently with a willingness to be changed by what we hear.

Wow. I love that. I love that. And I really resonate with the concept of that weight or that burden-esque quality to seeing the larger version of yourself or the larger purpose of why you think you're here, all that. I mean, that's once felt everything else you've previously felt. seems like it was, you know, irrelevant or so minuscule that it doesn't even matter, right? And I think that what has, you know, I have one advantage over you in life only, which is I'm old. And so the decades that separate us in life have made the burden lighter.

And it's, and I think, you know, I may be exactly in the same places you. I don't feel like I'm ahead of you and knowing my purpose or knowing the, the scale of that or whatever it is, but I am intrigued by the lightning of it. And I think that's what's happening over these, especially the last 10 years of my life, realizing that just because I can see the whole doesn't mean that I'm going to achieve it by the same principles by which I got here now. And so the freedom to imagine or the freedom to surrender and understanding of how you achieve that, that massive version of yourself has to be part of the equation.

Because if we allow the burden part to be there, then it does weigh down the psyche. It weighs down our vibrational frequencies. It adds static to the DNA so we can't express the thing. And then we get more and more frustrated because it's like, well, another decade's gone by and I still haven't reached my purpose. I'm not still achieving it. And when I'm finding out, you know, more and more of my own personal life is like, oh my gosh, that big potential, that big purpose, that big thing.

thing actually already happened it already exists therefore it can be seen my little three-dimensional perception here of a human mind finally can see it not because it's in some distant future that hasn't arrived but because it's already been achieved and from my perspective it looks like it's it's separate from now but it's only because i can't see the real now that it looks separate from now your full purpose already happened it's already here it's fully expressed And so the invitation, I think, for all of us is once glimpsed that full weight and full gravitational capacity of the full expression of self is something to be surrendered into rather than achieved. It is something to be received rather than obtained. And I am recognizing that the most challenging place, and this may be just for me personally, but I look across humanity.

think it's a relatively common scenario that where we struggle the most with this manifestation of our full expression of self-purpose blah blah blah is as we is in all the constructs that we have put together that approach the thing that we call love and so the nearer you are to the topic of love and the constructs that you've put around to that topic might be i have a mother and I expect this and I am a mother and I expect this of my kids or I am a blank. I am a doctor. I am a boss. I am an employee. I am a teacher. I am a student. All these roles that we take on, the closer that those roles are bringing us to the purpose of love, the more likely they are to be screwed up. and the more likely they are to be perceived as super complicated and full of duty and responsibility

and weight and everything else because we fail to believe that we are already loved to the fullest potential and this is really my deepest wound as a human being as I run around feeling unseen misjudged overjudged you know misunderstood in my effort to love other people and therefore I feel unloved when in fact it's the biggest fallacy in the universe that anything can get in the way of love or that love needs anything it's absolutely physically absolutely property impossible that love needs anything or love expresses something to get you know gift something to somebody that they

didn't have a moment before love is a frequency condition of biology being seen by other biology The difference between physics and biology is physics cannot see anything else around it. It cannot experience other features around it in a way that it wasn't already experiencing it because it already is connected to everything. That's why we call it quantum physics, not quantum biology, because quantum physics is everything at the same time. Out of quantum physics becomes this ethereal reality of biology of life. life. Life is a finite expression of an infinite reality of physics. To achieve itself, it has to

burn 10,000 times brighter than the physics, and in that brightness it inherently is going to go out at some point. And so the ethereal, temporal, finite nature of being alive is the purpose of being in human body right now. And for that, you are going to be an infinite being in a finite moment so that you can see the beauty. When you are the star or you are out in space, I don't believe there is a perceptional difference. And I get to see and hear about this all the time in near-death experiences. So we let go to the body and they suddenly merge with the star. They go out in the universe. They're connected to everything. Complete acceptance is experienced at the cellular atomic level and they are quantum physics

itself and they know divine, they know God, whatever it was that they were confused about and the human mind is now gone. And they get the whole beauty of it. They get the whole incredible, you know, spectacular experience of being everything, the unified field, the unity. I am. And then they suddenly get shocked back into the body and paddles on their chest and drugs pumping into their vein and they're in the ICU and I just brought them back into the body

and they can tell me this whole freaking journey into oneness into all this but they didn't see things in the same way that they do as soon as they're back in a physical body and have eyes and say oh there's the sunset and there's the thing so the phenomenon of taking the infinite reality of being into being alive in a finite reality is the gift of sight ultimately we can perceive the beauty of the physical universe for being biologically finite, being biologically separated from oneness for that moment so that we can see all the beauty. When we see beauty, perhaps really unique to the human biology, because of the uniqueness of our five senses and believing we're separate from everything and having an ego that then separates us emotionally, energetically,

philosophically from all things. For that, we might be even better at seeing the beauty. because we have more separation than any other species perhaps. And for this, we stare at the sunset. The birds don't stop to look at the sunset. I'm always amazed by that. Monkeys in the trees in Africa, when I'm staring at that sunset, backs to it, they're cracking nuts.

They seem to be completely oblivious and have no care for the fact that the sky is doing freaking spectacular things behind them. Because the monkey can probably feel that. It doesn't have to stop and observe it and wonder at it and all that. it's just like, yeah, of course, sunset, beauty. I'm beauty. I'm the thing. I'm a monkey. Sunset, blah, blah, blah.

No big deal. As human, because I believe myself to be separate from everything, to be at this pinnacle of biology, which is to say a pinnacle of finite existence, finite beliefs, finite everything, I can see the infinite so well. And for that, I am a wonderment to the entire universe because I get the experience of vibrating

with this frequency that we have come in the English language to dumb down to the word love but there is a frequency which is a wide bandwidth of experience a wide bandwidth of feeling that is not like oh I'm in love the frequency of love encompasses every emotion that humans have ever described it encompasses every feeling a human body is capable of vibrating in is a massive carrier wave of information

that happens when we witness beauty and so I'm really grateful for being in a finite body. I'm constantly tortured and tormented by the psychology of a mind believing itself to be separate from everything. But the gift is that I can see the beauty of everything and I can feel everything, including the pain. Lynn Twist is on my board for my nonprofit Project Biom. She's one of the brightest minds of the 20th century, I think,

and unfortunately brings that into the 21st century with us now. And she's bringing this intelligence and vibration into the world through so many of her books and brilliance there. But she said something amazing in our board meeting yesterday. She said the pain is what pushes us forward until vision can pull us forward. Pain is what pushes us forward until vision can pull us forward. And I think she was quoting, somebody on that but forever in my mind that will be a Lynn twist quote so Lynn I'm

attributing that to you now but for me that shifted something inside of me hearing that again is that we need to celebrate the hell out of the pain that we feel when we can see the purpose that hasn't apparently become yet that pain is what pushes us forward until we have the vision that it's already received that it's already here that we already have obtained whatever it is that we are here to express in the universe. It's already here. We just need to perceive it. And the vision will come and the pain will decrease of the burden that you feel for

having glimpsed your real full purpose there in Egypt or wherever it comes from there. So my encouragement to you is celebrate the pain. It will push you into the vision of realizing you already arrived. And I'm just so intrigued by you, Andre. you have so much ahead of you and your runway is so broad i can't even fathom having a conversation with you right now what it would have been like to live my life having been capable of this conversation when i was your age it's so fucking exciting it's so exciting brother you are on a very accelerated path of of self-revelation and it's just going to be a joy to witness

your self-expression on this planet that will be social, professional, all kinds of things will come out of that. My goodness, you're on a wonderful path. And it's an honor to hang out and be witness to it intermittently here because it's going to be awesome. So every single path is awesome. And I just, a hero, amazement to all of you listening here. My gosh, y'all are spectacular.

My goodness, you are a miracle. My goodness, did you show up? bright at the right moment for human history. Honored to be with each of you. Honored to be feeling you present in this room with us. Honored to be having a human moment for the finite that allows for the pain, that allows for our capacity to see the beauty so that we vibrate in love. Zach, thank you so much.

Without, I mean, my path, my runway doesn't become possible without getting to have the joy of reflection from individuals like yourself. and what that gets to awaken and sprout and myself be that reflection and just a joy to be on this journey together, you know. So thank you for seeing me and reflecting all that beauty that you see in me and just reflected back tenfold, the permission that you give to others. And, you know, I just, I really feel like you're such an incredible synthesizer of understanding where we're currently at, where we've gone wrong, and our capacity to make that shift. Like I said in the beginning, that reminder that you give to us at this time is so potent.

It's right on time. It's very much so needed. And another Lynn Twist quote, I think I mentioned last time on the podcast, was there's nothing more powerful than an idea that time has come. And I think we're speaking to an idea that time has come. I was really moved by a story that you shared when you were 19 when you became an unexpected doula to give birth to a life in the Philippines and the, back of the van and the amount of reverence that must have you know birthed in you for life and i know

that as you've been present to so much for the birth and death process within within the human journey i can only imagine what that's opened up for you in your own capacity for a reverence of life and i feel like what we're speaking to in this conversation is really the ultimately the reminder to realize how precious we are and to afford ourselves the love and the space for non-judgment that we often don't give ourselves and to release that shame and guilt and judgment. And in closing, I would love for you to actually share a little bit about that moment and what that opened in you. That's cool.

That's an unexpected end point for this conversation. and I'm honoring that being that we'll talk about here for being so potent that we would conclude such a micro to macro vast conversation and this little infant is appropriate. Yeah, I was, you know, ended up in the Philippines by just only the way that the highest version of self or the divine can write because I didn't intend to go into medicine in my life at all. I was heading towards engineering. I was a very unhappy student in my first 18 years of primary school in public education in the United States. I didn't like school at all as far as, you know, it just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, I guess, in some ways. But it certainly didn't spur any curiosity. And so I found myself spending almost all my curious time and creative time outside of school.

And I was really blessed with an incredible group of friends. that we went through scouting and, you know, all aspects of our lives together between kind of age 11 to today. And those are still some of my best friends in the world. And this little core group of five or six of us, you know, we're building cars and building houses and building anything we could think of on a day. We were trying to, I remember one point we were trying to create a photon gun. Like stupid stuff. And 99% of the stuff we ever set out to build never worked or we never completed or

whatever it was. But it was an incredible gift to be invited into a place where I'm constantly able to just imagine what we could build next. And so in that experience where my only creative outlets were outside of school, I just didn't think I was a good student. And I say all of that because there's so many. you that are brilliant minds that are ready to be stimulated to places you can't imagine when you lose the narrative that you're not a good student or you're not good at school or you're not good at

learning or you're not smart all of those things at any age you can step into an experience of knowledge that will blow you away you will know so much so fast when you open up a new narrative that you already know everything that you are a creative force of the divine and i didn't get to feel that see that until I was in medical school. And so I had to go through a bunch of revelations, I guess, and in one way of saying it, to get to that point where I thought that I was a good enough student to deserve to go to medical school or something. And this experience in the Philippines was a potent moment for that with this infant. I had decided to take a year off from college because I was going into an engineering program and then had my heart broken by

my first girlfriend and just as only as dramatic as an 18 year old boy can be. I decided my gosh to heal this wounded heart of mine. I need a year off. I need to go find myself, like as if I was going to find myself at 19 years old. There's no way. But I was super dramatic. And if there's one trait I have, I am so freaking earnest about everything I do. So so earnest. So, so earnest. I went out to go find myself in the world and take this year off. And within seconds, literally, I mean, not even an hour had passed from me deciding to take that year off. And the phone rings. It was a Sunday.

I wasn't living with my parents at the time, but I had gone to church that morning and was hanging out for lunch at their place. Their phone rings. I happened to answer their phone. We used to have landlines at that time. And it was this phone. And it was my aunt from the Philippines. And she was like, hey, what are you up to you? I was like, oh, I just, you know, I'm sorry.

super earnest moment. I just decided to take year off and dedicating myself to blah, blah, blah. And she's like, well, why don't you come to the Philippines and birth babies? And I was like, that's a very good idea. Okay, I'll do that. You know, I was like, no thought went into it at all. Like, it was just like one of those things where universe sees that opening, that little space of, okay, I'm not going to do the thing that I thought I was going to do. I'm going to take a pause, universe immediately right there. Like, let me show you something bigger. Let me show you something greater. Let me show you something that you can't even imagine. And so I just knew, I suppose, at a deep level, okay, that's the path I'm supposed to take.

So with no really questions asked or whatever, I went and got a job at discount tire company and busted tires for six months because I had asked her how much money do I needed to get there and live for six months or whatever I needed to do. So I went and earned five grand or six grand or something like that and busting tires. and I was working overtime every chance I got to get the money in the bank, to get the flight over, and to live in the Philippines for six months. And what I hadn't thought through is that she had said that I'd be working with an international group of midwives. Denny actually had never heard that word before, so I didn't really process what that was going to mean for me. But show up over there, and of course that means you're birthing babies pretty quickly.

And of course, I had absolutely no medical training, no knowledge of what I was doing. But she had assured me that they would just teach me what I needed on. once I arrived. So at arrival, I started learning how to do these 14-day checkups for these infants, and I was the assistant to another midwife and blah, blah, blah. And then suddenly two weeks in this midwife gets called back to a family emergency in Canada, so she's flying off. And everybody's like, all right, now you just do it.

And I was like, I've been like through two clinics. I've been like learning two weeks. Like I'm nothing. I was so insecure, so frightened by the whole thing. And they're like, no, no, you got it. The hip distortion and heart murmurs. And you're just screening for. So I started doing these little newborn screenings, and every Thursday you'd have 40 or 50 women line up with their newborn babies.

And in the Philippines, the nutrient level is so low that these kids are tiny. And so you've got these three-pound, four-pound babies being handed to you, and you're a 19-year-old kid with no medical training. You can fit one of these babies in a single hand. you know you put them on scale you do your thing you check their hips for you mean joint dysfunction you check their spine for incomplete spine formation you do a few little simple reflexes and you look at the nose ears listening for the heart murmur blah blah blah it was so magical to be at this interface of a mother with a child that just came out of its womb to be witnessed to that to be called in a place where that mother would have any sort of trust in you as a being or as a person

and they would be so grateful for whatever witnessing you're giving to their child and reassurance that the child is healthy. And it was in this setting that a month or two in, middle of the night, doorbell rings. And this woman is hemorrhaging, bleeding out on the doorstep. We had never seen her before. It was a really, really, really tragic thing to witness. She was probably in her mid-30s. and was born with, you know, a big brain injury. And so it was nonverbal, you know, very delayed mentally.

And probably had no concept that she was pregnant. She'd been raped and become pregnant. And she's bleeding out on the doorstep with what appears probably to be an incomplete pregnancy. just because she doesn't look very pregnant. And so we put her in the van really quickly. And my aunt, I didn't know Manila well enough in the Philippines to drive at that moment to the hospital, which was about an hour drive, 45-minute drive. So my aunt jumps in the front.

And I'm in the back seat with this woman hemorrhaging and got her thrown on towels and try to kind of soak up the blood and staunch the situation. And we're rushing through the dark. and Melon Naya is about 2 o'clock in the morning or something, and suddenly this woman spontaneously gives birth to this infant in my hands. And it goes from like, oh my gosh, she's hemorrhaging to, oh, my gosh, there is a living being in my hand, you know. And it all happens so fast.

And to this day, I haven't actually experienced the same thing since because I didn't have any clubs on. I didn't have any protection or anything else that I, forever after, would have on me. in the hospital settings when I was doing this kind of stuff. But to have suddenly the experience of a living life form in your hand or this perfect infant. And it was actually not apparently alive. It was blue. It hadn't taken a breath and tiny.

I mean, I had gotten a little bit used to three or four pound babies, but this thing was just, it was more like the size that you would expect, you know, mouse or something. It was so small, toes down at the palm of my hand and head at the tip of my finger. And it was absolutely perfect and it's dark and we're whipping through streets at this point where you've got like the lamp light, you know, the street lights intermittent. And so in this weird like almost like cartoon-esque animation, you're getting these flashes of light every second or so of another street lamp and this thing is you know animating or not animating in front of you

with this light and what was so overwhelming to me was the perfection of the body you know this thing is not big enough to fill my hand and yet the features of that face are so exquisitely perfect the fingers are so perfect and yet they're almost invisible for how tiny they are I mean we're talking about fingers that are you know half a half a centimeter

along you know and yet they are just perfection and each of those tiny fingers has a fingernail on it like it's it just was defying all logic to me how perfect this thing is in my hand at that moment and I'm trying I'm sure I'm taking that in very quickly but at the time or when I think back on it I felt like an eon was being experienced and just being witnessed the beauty of the perfectional design of this human body in my hand. And, you know, I'm yelling to my aunt. She just gave birth this thing. It's not moving.

It's not breathing. And my aunt's just reassuring me. It's like, okay, it's okay. It just didn't have the chance to live. You know, she's trying to reassure me that this thing is, you know, like there's no expectation that you're going to bring this thing to life or whatever. She's reassuring me. A woman's still bleeding.

I don't know how the heck to handle that situation. And so I'm in this intense moment of just all beauty and terror, all combined at once. And then that little infant suddenly gave out a cry. And it was like the tiniest noise that a being can probably make. But in my auditory experience of it, it was like the loudest scream I'd ever heard in my life. Like it just like all attention now was like on this thing. And then I was like, I think it's alive. And my aunt, I'm sure, is, like, pretty dubious at this point.

But fortunately, we're only at that point a few minutes from the hospital. We end up pulling into the emergency area in this hospital in all night's understaffed. Nobody even comes running out initially. And so my aunt goes running in. And I've got bloody towels all around me. I just seen a total chaos. And I'm just so inept and unprepared. prepared to be of any help to anything, especially this thing in my hand at that moment.

But the thing is starting to pink up, like it's breathing and it's doing its thing. And staff ends up coming out. We end up being able to pass the woman and the baby on. Both end up surviving for the weekend at least. And the woman ends up, I think, surviving for the long term as far as I know. But the infant ends up dying a couple days later. and I often wonder at that one little scream, you know, that happened because it's, it may have been the only noise that thing ever made.

I never heard it make it another noise than that initial breath and that initial vocalization of that scream. And that thing was like looking up into my face for a period of time and I wonder what the experience of that soul was. It shows a finite moment. It's an infinite being that wanted so deep. dearly to see beauty and I'm overwhelmed with the understanding that might have been my face and that's about all it experienced because the next moment it was put it into some sort of incubator and maybe

I've never gotten to see a human face directly again probably never saw its own mother's face which is a tragedy and so there's something that happened in me I'm sure at that time that is embodied in me that is alive in me because that thing was able to come into a final night moment and be alive just for a few breaths to maybe just say the one scream. And that was enough for that being. And it fulfilled whatever it needed to. And I often wonder, you know, what did it see before me? What kind of beauty did it see in the womb? What did the sunrise, sunset look like in its own mother's womb? Because light does travel through the abdomen and into the into the womb especially later in pregnancy and so what beauty did it come to feel to see to take and what

was the one thing it communicated in the scream and i hope that my career has also been a tribute to that voice i hope that ultimately what's been you know manifest out of all the years of study and effort and service and hospitals and everything else i hope that that all that is emblematic of the power that was in that voice that was in that one expression of a finite being wanting to be heard wanting to be seen for a moment wanting to see for a moment and it had the entire human experience in that moment it achieved everything that it had come to achieve and it let go of the body quickly all that i guess was ultimately something to be said for I hope that you hear the humans screaming around you today.

I hope you can all hear the pain and the beauty in every scream, and every fear that's vocalized and every ecstasy that's expressed around you. Wonder at it, wonder at the fact that you are given the physical capacity as a living being to be witnessed to a voice. And of all the voices that are probably most important to hear us your own, and I hope that you all take a moment a day just to be in awe that you are a breathing child of the divine, picking this finite moment to express yourself, give reverence to your own voice, to the scream inside of you that suffers in the pain of the disconnect between the glory that you know you are,

the glory that you know the humans around you have that that you love and the discordance of their behavior the discordance of our capacity to understand the love we have for one another i honor your pain i honor your heartbreak i honor the scream that is emanating through you right now you are the infant in my hand i am the infant in yours and uh together we we have the opportunity to birth a new humanity, a new biology, a new expression of self. And so may we honor all of the aborted potential of humanity within ourselves and within those that we see around ourselves so that we can become the thing that we know is possible.

Thank you, bro. Thank you for all the potent reminders from the paint of the beauty man, everything that you shared. and that story is just awakening us to the reverence that we get to have for this finite experience in this body. And I'm infinitely grateful for how the divine is expressing it through in this child of Zach because it's such a joy to witness. So thank you.

Thank you so much for sharing yourself today. Any final words before we close out? Just an invitation to connect. you know I'm ready to be filled up by connection to all of you listening you can go to intelligence of nature.com and join

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