Know Thyself - E95 - Aaron Abke: The Forgotten Teachings Of Jesus, The Essenes & Dead Sea Scrolls

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Born and raised as a pastor's son, Aaron Abke had a unique lens into religion from a young age. This led him ultimately on a spiritual journey of leaving the church and diving into the wisdom teachings of the world and eventually finding what felt most resonate to him.  In this episode, we'll be decoding the mystery of Jesus Christ's life and how his true teachings can help us on our awakening journey. He goes past the 2,000 year old dogma and misinterpretation surrounding Jesus (or Yeshua) in order to unveil how we can awaken christ consciousness within us.  Aaron describes the evidence hidden in the dead sea scrolls, the secret teachings of the Essenes, and messages in the actual Bible itself, for an intriguing conversation aimed at bringing truth back to the name of Jesus and supporting you on your own journey. ___________ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro 2:12 Reinterpreting the Life of Jesus 6:47 The Dead Sea Scrolls that Redefined Christianity 14:59 How the Essenes Lived: Ritual & Natural Law 23:03 The Missing Years of Jesus’ Life: What Actually Happened 30:04 Fundamentalism vs Mysticism  30:56 Addressing the Triggers & Contradictions of Christianity 36:49 How Jesus Performed Miracles: Sevenfold Path of Peace 44:16 Seven Angels of the Heavenly Father 53:02 The End Goal: Merging Heaven and Earth 56:00 Second Coming of Christ: Resurrecting Christ Consciousness Within 1:02:29 Proof in the Bible that Jesus was an Essene 1:14:06 Initiation Process of the Essenes 1:22:17 Reincarnation & Jesus' Past Lives 1:26:30 Was Jesus Vegetarian? 1:36:29 Fasting for Spiritual Purification & Wellness 1:42:40 The Argument of Jesus Eating Fish 1:45:05 Results of Following the “Jesus Diet” 1:53:52 Daily Prayer Process of Essenes 1:59:47 Beyond Dogma: Feeling The True Law of God 2:04:24 Apocalyptic Cult? True Meaning Behind The End of Darkness 2:13:46 Sharing a Prayer from the Essenes 2:17:05 Finding Your Own Path 2:24:09 Conclusion ___________ André's Book Recommendations: https://www.knowthyself.one/books Aaron Abke is a spiritual teacher and content creator, with a mission is to awaken this planet to the awareness of our oneness and collective destiny, which is called "4th Density Consciousness". This is Unity Consciousness; the awareness of Love and Oneness as the Highest Truth of the Universe. Highly studied in The Law of One, Aaron teaches others how to integrate and embody this Truth in their Being, rather than merely learning about it. His aim is to provide humanity with the tools, knowledge, and practices needed to ascend our consciousness to the 4th Density Level. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AaronAbke Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aaronabke/ Website: https://www.aaronabke.com "Jesus In India", video mentioned in the episode: https://youtu.be/TEvomvO8cb0?si=JWbdWsY3AD7pdKu- ___________ Looking to Start a Podcast? Podcasting Course: https://www.podcastpurpose.com/ Know Thyself Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ Website: https://www.knowthyself.one Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKg Listen to all episodes on Audio:  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927 André Duqum Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/ Meraki Media https://merakimedia.com https://www.instagram.com/merakimedia/

If we know one thing about mankind is that man always changes the original intention of any holy person who's ever lived and hijacks the religion. Christianity is not the one unique faith where that's never happened. Yeah, trigger warning for sure on this one. I grew up Christian, pastor's kid. The hypocrisy of Christianity is the thing that drove me to the place of, is this the fruit of the true gospel of Jesus? It's not that Christianity's not true. is that it's actually way more true than even Christians realize.

The Aesemes have the missing key of who Jesus was, an Aene master. There's so much proof in the Bible itself, but the most incredible one to me says, Seems like overwhelming evidence. I mean, it's world-changing. Christ is not a person, but a state of consciousness. And so what good is it to just confess a person who lived 2,000 years ago? But you go on lying, stealing, cheating. There is a true way of Jesus.

Jesus. And I think that that's what everyone is really hungering for. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Know Thyself podcast. So stoked to dive into this podcast today because every so often you come across a sect, a lineage of wisdom that feels so pristine in its quality that you just got to dive in. And I've been doing that since this spiritual brother of mine, who you might remember from our last podcast all about the Law of One, he's a spiritual guide, YouTube content creator. covers really beautiful spiritual concepts and how they can be applicable to our own awakening process, Aaron Abke. Thanks for coming back, bro. Thanks for having me back, man. Love the new studio, by the way. Thanks. Epic. Expanding. Yes, indeed. Yeah. We went to your story a little bit last time. I think it's

actually very informing that you used to be a pastor's kid and your whole journey of awakening, studying Eastern stuff coming back. Now it's a more mystical Christianity. We're going to be diving into hidden teachings, lost teachings of Jesus Christ and the Aseans, such a beautiful path. And so, you know, before we even dive into who they were, what, you know, the historical kind of evidence for what we're going to be diving into and all the wisdom today, what's kind of the promise, you know, what can we, the listeners expect to, you know, have some light shed on in terms of how this can be applicable to their own life. And yeah, it's from there. Well, it's a great question to start with because, you know, I grew up Christian, pastor's kid,

in evangelical Christianity. And not a ton of my followers, I think, even know that I have a degree in theology from Orwell Roberts University. I spent four years heavily studying hermeneutics and did some Hebrew as well, some Coyne Greek, and just like plunging into the original translations of the Gospels, New Testament, Old Testament. and that was my passion at that age. But, you know, fell away from Christianity at 23 and chose a different spiritual path for a while. And then really came full circle, like you said, back to mystical Christianity about five or six years ago and dove into a whole new understanding of who this person was, this person of Yeshua. And so the Aesnes to me really have the missing key, the missing secret of who Jesus was because We're going to get into it more in the pot, of course.

But the original gospel of Jesus was and is so different than the Christian religion's version of the gospel, which if I had to distill it, I would say you have Paul's Gospel, which is salvation by faith alone. You just have to confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and that's it. That's the gospel. But then you have the gospel of James the Just, the brother of Jesus and the 12 disciples who writes in the book of James, faith without works is dead. Your works, your righteousness, your purification, the way you live and show up in the world as the Christ shows your salvation, not just what you confess you believe with your mouth.

And that was really, if you read the red letters of the gospel, that was Jesus' message was, you know, he even said to one group of people, don't come to me calling me Lord, Lord, and expect you're going to enter the kingdom of heaven because when I was hungry, you didn't feed me. When I was in prison, you didn't visit me. And he says, away from me, you who practice wickedness. But they're calling him Lord. I thought that was the whole thing.

That's what Paul said. So those are two very different gospels, right? And where did Jesus get this gospel? If it wasn't the kind of blood sacrifice gospel of Paul, where did Jesus derive his teachings from? And when you trace back the history of the Aesnes, this kind of early 150 BCE through 300 AD, kind of early Christian movement, it all makes sense. All the pieces snapped together and you understand Jesus was an Aene master from the Valley of Qumran from a town called Nazareth. And the teachings of the Aesians are so remarkable because they're incredibly simple on one hand and very much get us

back in touch with what I would call like practical spirituality, being one with the earth, being one with, you know, health in your body, not negating the health of your body, which was something that growing up as a Christian, that was not something we ever heard taught. That physical health even matters at all. Like everyone was sick, overweight, out of shape. And that was just normal because it just matters about going to heaven one day, right? So you get this new gospel of Jesus through the ascines. And when you compare the ascine teachings from the Ascene Gospel of Peace with the New Testament, you see, you know, hundreds of. correlations and crossovers between what Jesus taught and did in the Gospels and the ASEAN teachings. And again, suddenly it makes perfect sense. So in short, what the listeners will get out of this pot, I think, and I hope is a beautiful, simple path of the true way of Jesus that has been lost for thousands of years that only since Edmund Bordeaux-Zekle, you know, found the Aene Gospel of Peace in the Vatican in I think in 1927 or 34, and translated it did these true teachings, you know, hit the collective consciousness of humanity again.

And I think the universe is bringing them back at this time for a very important reason. So much to unpack into the important reason of the time that it is right now for these teachings to resurface because there's so much, like I said, practical wisdom to integrate into your life to merge heaven on earth here in our physical reality. So I'm excited to unpack all that. But first, let's dive into the historical context of the Dead Sea Scrolls. and where these were found, how these were found initially, and then we'll kind of go into really historically who the Aesans were, how they lived, and everything from there. So for people who aren't familiar, what are the Dead Sea Scrolls? So the Dead Sea Scrolls are pretty much unanimously considered the greatest archaeological discovery

of the 20th century. It was a shepherd boy, ironically, in 1947. You know the parable where Jesus says, I am the good shepherd. A good shepherd is one who leaves the 99 to go and search for the one lost sheep and brings him back. And when he brings back the one lost sheep, he celebrates greater than any other of the 99 that were still there. Well, ironically, it was a shepherd boy who lost a sheep who went looking for his sheep in the Coomron Desert. And I've heard two different versions of the story, but the sheep wandered into a cave is one version. Another version says the shepherd boy was looking for his sheep, saw a cave, and threw a rock. And I've heard two different versions of the story. And into it and then heard a shattering of pottery and he's like what what was that he goes in and looks and there's all these vessels of pottery in this cave and the amazing thing and this is how the universe works right is that the these 2,000 year old manuscripts in these clay vessels had been very pristinely preserved because of the bat dung that had fallen on them have you heard that i didn't know that part yeah they were covered in thousands of years of bat dung which in case them even further

from, you know, the different bacteria that could corrode them and whatnot. So he lets the village people know. And within like, you know, a year or so, there's archaeologists down there excavating these caves. And I think they had, they found 11 different caves. And they're pretty spread apart when you look on the map. There's about six in one location. And then there's a few other dots up the Kumran Valley. And so over the next few decades, they have different scholars come in. And there's some controversy about this because the only scholars allowed in were all Christian scholars. There were no Jewish scholars allowed to translate these manuscripts, which a lot of people speculate was probably some kind of cover up from the Catholic Church trying to make sure there's nothing

in here that violates our religion, you know? Hard to believe the Catholic Church would try to cover up something. I know, right? Who would think? It's impossible to think. But, you know, that's what happened is that these Christian scholars came in and started to translate these texts and slowly surface them to the public. And it's the entire Old Testament in many different manuscripts, except for the book of Esther, which I find interesting because the book of Esther is one book in the Old Testament that talks very negatively about women.

And the Aseans, when you study them, very much revered the feminine, the divine feminine, and they call it the earthly mother. And they didn't like that book so much. So they were preservers. It's actually one of the Aene creeds to preserve ancient wisdom. and it's one of the sevenfold paths of peace. The sixth, sorry, the fifth path of peace is peace with the ancient wisdom to make sure that we don't just let this sacred knowledge get lost, but we cherish it, we save it, and we pass it down to future generations, and we add upon it as we're given more knowledge by the universe. So they were sacred preservers of these ancient texts. And on top of that, there was three total segments of texts they found.

One is the Old Testament. Another one is texts that are unique to the Aesnes. And they describe a lot of their ritual practices and whatnot. And I'm forgetting what the third section was now. But this hit the scene in 1947 and really rocked the Christian Catholic and Jewish world. And when Edmund Bordeaux found the Aseen Gospel of Peace in the Vatican in 1927, this was before the Dead Sea Scrolls were found. And there's three different books.

There's called one is a book of hymns, the Aene Hymns. One is the Aene Book of Revelations, I believe. I'm blanking on the third one. But there's these scriptures that he found that also were found in the Dead Sea. So when you read, if you read the Aseen Gospel of Peace, I think it's in the second gospel. It says manuscripts identical with the Dead Sea Scrolls. And it shows you all the parts that he found in the Vatican that were also in Qumran. So that again shows you that the Catholic Church has been covering up some pretty important manuscripts for a very long time.

And it all really goes back to when Rome sacked Jerusalem in 70 AD. They actually sacked the Ascines in 68 AD before they sacked Jerusalem. I think they're thinking was, let's deal with these little outskirt movements of Jews first, and then we'll go for the big one in Jerusalem when we're ready. And they didn't differentiate between, they're all just Jews to them. They don't care about the different sects. but there was only three main sects, Sadducees, which were like the highest priestly class, the elites, you could say.

The Pharisees, which were like the lower but far more populated class of Jewish Orthodox priests. And then there were the Ascines, which basically ostracized themselves into the desert of Qumran because they believed that Orthodox Judaism had strayed and deviated so far from God's laws that they'd become some kind of satanic cult almost in their animal sacrifices. Josephus writes of the unbelievable bloodshed in the temple in those days that every Passover, they would slaughter over 250,000 lambs in one day. And the priest, he described the priests, would be covered from the waist down in blood. And they had to have trench systems built out of the temple for all the blood to wash out of the temple,

because it would just flood the whole place. And so you can imagine this like unbelievable bloodbath and genocide essentially of animals where they believe that this is what God wants for us to atone for our sins. And the Aesans were like these people have fallen so far from God's laws. They've been influenced by the Egyptians, the Babylonians. They've lost the true faith. So we need to preserve it. So they went to this burning wasteland out in the Qumran desert,

which was preferable to them over the persecution. they would face in Jerusalem to follow what they believed was the true way of Judaism, which was actually not to follow Father Abraham, as the Orthodox Jews did, but theirs was Father Enoch. And Enoch is a much lesser known biblical character, but there's essentially one line, maybe one or two lines in the Old Testament that describe Enoch. And I believe he was like maybe eight generations after Adam purportedly, so a very ancient person. And it says, Enoch walked with God, and then he was not, for God took him. And so that means essentially God, he was so devoted and so one with God that God couldn't stand the separation of him being in a physical body and ascended Enoch up to heaven with him. And so the scenes were like, hey, that's our guy. He was the closest one to God, so close that God actually took him back to heaven. So he was the real first father of our faith. And so they were followers of Enoch versus Abraham. They believed that starting with Aeok. Abraham, it started to deviate and then through Moses and so on and so forth. So the Dead Sea Scrolls

really brought the Aseans back to the mainstream awareness. And from there, then we had Edmund Bordeaux's findings just a decade or two later that got published. And it's very clear that the universe has chosen this time to bring these teachings back to life. And when you study them and read them, I think it's very apparent why. Yeah. So if it's true that the Aesemones lived in the region of Coomran, then, which is like where the Dead Sea Scrolls in the region were found, then it's highly likely that the connection between them would lead to them being the scribes or authors of many of the... And they've carbon dated them and proven that they were written and came from the Coomron Valley. Yeah. So the scenes essentially saw themselves as a suns of light, like the true form, true sect of

the religion in which they followed. And so you spoke to the kind of three different main sex, Ascenes being these individuals who like really lived in the way and like showed in their works and in their deeds. Their true devotion to God. So can you share a little bit more of the context of how the Aseans lived and yeah, in the region where they were? So there was two main sects of the Aseans. And this is at least as far as Josephus is concerned, Josephus is kind of the main historian that Christians especially rely upon to verify the New Testament and the life of Jesus. So the Oceans were to the south and the Nazarians were to the north. And isn't an interesting, Jesus was known to be the Nazarene, they called him, born in Nazareth, which is a well-documented Ascene sect.

So like if you're looking for proof that Jesus was in a scene, you don't even need to go further than the New Testament description of Jesus that he was from Nazareth. But essentially there was those two main sects. The northern Nazarians were, they were both very pious. They believed in ritual purity, extreme physical health. The Oseans were, sometimes ASEANs get a bad rap from scholars and people who study them. You know, Pliny and Fylo write about them. I believe Fylo lived with the Aseans for like three years. And he describes the way he lived and what they did.

And the Oseans did not believe in marriage. They were total celibates. They were a little over the top on the, they were even more strict than the Sadducees and the Pharisees. So sometimes people confuse the Nazareans and the Oseans, but there's a lot of crossover for sure. But the Nazarians were a little more loose

in their extreme dogma and more like heart-centered in their approach to their faith. So they believed in marriage and they taught that marriage is good and that masculine and feminine are meant to join together to reproduce and recreate. And in fact, what they believed was that the only reason that man grows sick and old and dies is because man has deviated so far from God's laws that his sickness and his dying so young is representing how far mankind had fallen.

Interestingly enough, in the law of one, which we talked about on our last podcast, Ra says that in the third density of consciousness, which is this plane we're on now in the earth, the original lifespan of a third density being was always meant to be a thousand years. And that's what the logos had designed. And, you know, we live less than a tenth that long these days, right? So how did our lifespan shorten so much? Well, it's because man became tribalistic, barbaric, warlike, committed unbelievable atrocities, not just to humans, but even to animals.

the Aseans very much believed like the creator doesn't differentiate between what kind of killing is worse. To kill an innocent animal is just as bad as to kill an innocent person. And so they believed that we had to back engineer ourselves back to our spiritual perfection that the creator had originally intended. And you know, when you read the Old Testament, there are many accounts of, especially in Genesis and the Torah, of beings that lived, you know, 900 years. Methuselah, I believe, is said to have lived 9.000. 967 years old. And I think that was Enoch's father, was Methuselah, or maybe Noah's father. So they talk about their ancient ancestors lived 700, 800, 900 years because that was long before man became very tribalistic and barbaric. So they believed that enough generations of

ascents following these, well, communing with the 14 angels, following God's holy law, which they also would sort of call the everlasting agreement, which is basically the law of free will. It's the law of do no harm and always respect the free will of all beings, that that's the one single original law that the creator made. And if you don't follow that law, then you are subjected to the Torah's laws. In the Ascene gospel, Jesus has this really cool statement where he says, the farther a law is from God, the more that there are. The closer the law is to God, the fewer there are. And we know that Jesus was asked in the New Testament, Lord, what's the greatest law and commandment of them all? And he said, it is one, love the Lord your God and love your

neighbor as yourself. That's the law of do no harm. It's the everlasting agreement, right? So they believe that man had fallen from that law and now had to be under the Levitican Torah laws, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of laws because they were like spiritual children that couldn't obey or even perceive natural law, which the Aseans say over and over again is written in the hearts of man. It's written in nature. It's not written in books. It's the invisible law, they called it. If you can't connect with it in your heart, you are so far estranged from God. Like, if it's not normal to you to know that everyone is a divine creation of the Father, and they all should have their free will uninfringed, we should love everyone. If that's not

obvious to you, you have fallen very far from truth. And so you need all these hundreds of laws at that point. So they were trying to back engineer humanity back to the place where we were created to live a thousand or more years. And so they believed enough generations of the Aseans following this way of purity and reproducing would, I'm assuming they believed, heal the gene codes in the human body and eventually get us back to that original state of perfection. And they believed, I think, that Jesus of Nazareth was that child that was born like a crystallized being, like a perfect being from childhood or sort of a prodigy. And so they really, they very clearly saw that in him from a young age and sent him to Egypt, Syria, Tibet, India, or he perhaps one of his own accord,

but he went all around in those missing years studying other traditions to bring back this message to Israel at 30 years old. So he was trying to bring the, he was trying to reform Judaism, not destroy Judaism. And, you know, Paul very much says Jesus came. to abolish Judaism. It's wicked. Get rid of it. There's nothing good in it. But Jesus said, I didn't come to abolish your law. I came to fulfill your law. And that's the original law of do no harm. Love the Lord your God. And so, you know, this path of purity is so beautiful because they describe it with this picture of the, they call it the tree of life. They say at the center of the eternal garden stands the tree of life. And the eternal garden was their name, their metaphor for

the universe. And so the center of the eternal garden is nowhere because the universe doesn't have a center. They're referring to the center of the universe is in you and the tree of life is in you. And so their whole path of purification was to embody the 14 angels, which are the seven branches of the tree, which are the heavenly father, and the seven roots of the tree, the earthly mother. And by communing with these angels, Malakim in Hebrew, you would purify. yourself and revert back to that state of original perfection. So that's what they were trying to do. And Josephus actually writes that the vast majority of the scenes in those days were centenarians. They lived over 100 years. Somebody else wrote, maybe Pliny, they lived to be 120 years on average,

which is about double the lifespan at that time, about 50 to 60 years, you know. So they were, they were clearly doing it, right? They were successful, but they, of course, got wiped out in 68 AD. I mean, it would make sense that in peak optimal human, I guess, cultivation, like you can certainly live that long when you're living so in accordance with the natural law. And I just find, and I'm so excited to dive deeper into the beautiful connection and the prayers and to merge with the earthly mother and heavenly father. You did bring up something which is really interesting about, you know, there are these missing years from Jesus's life that. I think only is really mentioned, I mean, they say he's just a carpenter from like 12 to, what is it, 29. Yeah. It would make sense that, you know, there is this individual, I wrote some of these notes down, Nicholas Notavich.

Yeah, he wrote the Unknown Life of Jesus Christ published in 1894, kind of accounting his time in the East with some of these ancient Eastern wisdom traditions and their accounts of a prophet named Issa who lived a very similar life. described essentially exactly like who Jesus was in his life that says, you know, he went to, you know, the account was that at 14 or 13, he kind of followed the trade route or the Silk Road or Silk Route that took him to Punjab. His fame quickly grew, went further south, lived among Jane devotees, went further east at Puri, welcome by the Brahman priests for six years, studying Hindu scriptures, then went north, staying. with Buddhist monks, perfecting his knowledge of the sacred polylanguage, remaining there for another six years before leaving the Himalayas, returning to Palestine, preaching along the way

to abandon the worship of idols and to love thy neighbor, also stopping in Persia, I believe, and got pushed out by the Zoroastrian priests. He got pushed out everywhere he went. Yeah. And it makes sense because Issa or Issa is the Arabic name of Yeshua. And, you know, I think it's only mentioned in the gospel of Luke that says that, and Jesus increase in wisdom and statute and in favor with God and man upon his arrival. But it's like, all right, what happened, everything in between?

And I just find it interesting with the overlap of the ascenes, the teachings. And so any words you have for the missing years of Jesus' life and then further proof that Jesus wasn't a scene. Yeah, well, it's funny, you sent me that video a couple of days ago, and I literally read the whole book on my flight over here. I couldn't stop. It was amazing. Jesus in India is the video. We can link it below as well. Yeah, and then it was the hidden life of Jesus by Notavich.

The story is amazing. He's this Russian explorer who's going through Tibet and he's talking to these llamas in Tibet and they mentioned this character named Issa, who is from Israel, born into a poor family and was this essentially a reincarnation of Buddha, they believed. And the Tibetan

llamas document every great spiritual being that has ever lived in their tradition. And so they have scrolls that preserve the history of all these beings. And the one llama was telling him about it. And he said, do you have that scroll here? And he's like, we don't keep it here. It's in this other town. I forget the name. It starts with an L. And so he's like, oh, I'm going there. And he goes there, talks to the head llama, has this amazing conversation. And the book's really well written, too. It's like a beautiful journey. He describes every step of the journey and the people he encounters. but essentially the head llama says well we have like you know hundreds of thousands of scrolls here

so it would take us quite a while to dig up that one but he gives him the overview of it and says next time you're in town i'll find it for you and he's like ah dang you know so he try he's going back to i believe india and just as fate would have it his horse hits a ditch falls over he breaks his leg and he's only less than a half day's journey from the Tibetan monastery and he's like, well, that's my best routes to go back there and heal up. So his servants take him back there and they tell the Buddhist monks, they come out, very compassionate, bring him in, put a splint on his leg, put him in a nice bed. And he said he was in really excruciating agony, which you can imagine breaking a leg is like the worst form of pain essentially the body knows of. And so the head

llama had compassion on him and was like, oh, this poor guy, like, let me cheer him up. So he orders his Buddhist monks to dig up the scrolls of the hidden life of Issa or the life of Issa. They bring it in and he has a Tibetan translator there and he reads him the scroll and he says, do you mind if I write this down line by line? It's not a very long scroll. It's maybe like probably 30 or 40 pages in total. And they said, of course, you know, this knowledge belongs to all people. It's not just ours. Like you're welcome to translate it. So as his translator's reading it to him in English. He's writing it down line by line. And it's very cool because when you read it, it has that ancient energy to it and the way it's written. But yeah, it describes everywhere Jesus went.

And it says essentially when he was 14, as the Ascines believed, you were supposed to be married and reproduce for the sake of keeping the faith going. And Issa or Yeshua didn't want to be married. and so he left Israel and traveled to the Silk Road and ends up going to, I believe, Tibet was the first place, or maybe India, I can't remember, but it's kind of funny because the exact same thing happens to him everywhere he goes that happened to him in Israel, in that he goes there and learns, teaches, gains a huge following, and then starts pointing out the hypocrisy of the priesthood in that area. And so with the Brahms, their big thing was the creating of idols and teaching people to worship idols and all these different deities. And apparently the creating of these idols was very labor intensive and they would make slaves do it and stuff. And so these slaves are working night and day to make all these idols for the millions of people that want to worship idols. And Jesus basically says to the Brahmins, you're practicing wickedness because the creator is invisible. He can't be represented in form.

the creators everywhere and everyone. And so you're you're worshipping a form in which the creator is not in and harming the people in whom the creator really does live inside of to make it. You're total hypocrites. And so the Brahmins try to kill him and he hears word of it from his followers. They're going to come kill you, bro. And he gets out of there and goes to, I believe, Syria next. Same thing happens there with the Zoroastrian priests.

He calls them out for teaching sun worship. And he's like, who do you think makes the sun move? It's not the sun moving by itself. It's the creator moving the sun. And you're parsing God out into his creation and teaching that God is separate from you in these forms. And that's evil and wicked. And they try to kill him and he leaves. So you're like, yeah, that's pretty on par for what we see in the Gospels too, right?

Of him calling out the Pharisees and Sadducees for the same kinds of hypocrisy. But in Israel, his main bone to pick was the animal sacrifices. And the believing that killing innocence and shedding innocent blood could somehow atone for sins, was insane to him, to the Aseans, and they were, you know, strict vegetarians and all of that. So, yeah, I found it to be not only very on par with the Christ we see in the gospels, but just a riveting book to read in itself. What's the difference between fundamentalism and mysticism in your eyes as it applies to this? That's a really good question. You know, I always describe fundamentalism as seeking union with God through external means.

rituals, practices, prayers, chants, worship services, doing things in the belief that if I do enough things, the creator will have favor on me and I'll join with the creator. And mysticism is the opposite, right? It's seeking the creator within yourself through meditation, prayer, intercession, worship, devotion. And so that's not to say there isn't a place for rituals and the Ascenes had some of their own rituals, but it's that God's not in the ritual. The ritual is a representation, an outward demonstration of an inward state that we're cultivating. To reveal the God and you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out and I explored some of these conversations on my podcast here and there, and there's always the fundamentalist Christians that, you know, that come. I mean, I'm sure,

I'm sure as well as in the comment section for a lot of your videos and whatnot too. And it's just, yeah, any kind of footnotes that you want to put here in regards to, how this can be a triggering conversation for so many, especially for individuals that have been indoctrinated into very much so believing one perspective on the story of Jesus and the way to God. Yeah, trigger warning for sure on this one. You know, I think Christians don't,

I was myself a Christian for 23 years, essentially. Christians don't know anything about the Aseans because it's not an interesting subject to them. They already feel like they've got it figured out. Paul had the right message. We read Paul's epistles and stuff. And even as a Christian, I found that strange to be honest with you, because, you know, when I first left Christianity, I was having these conversations in person and online with Christian friends and other Christians I knew about why I didn't resonate with the Christian faith, not Jesus, but the Christian faith, right? And I would quote a line from Jesus,

such as forgive your enemy 70 times seven, and then why do you think God wouldn't do that if Jesus told us to do that? And they would always quote a passage from Paul to rebut me. It's like, are you rebutting Jesus with Paul? Every single time. And it became more clear to me that this religion is really Paulianity, it's not Christianity.

It's the religion of Paul and Paul's version of Jesus who Paul never met Jesus in person, never heard Jesus teach in person, only heard secondhand knowledge about Jesus and was a persecutor of Christians, killed hundreds, maybe thousands of Christians before his famous encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus where he has this vision. And I think Paul's first vision of Jesus was probably a genuine one. Because when you read the account in the book of Acts, essentially a bright light

throws Paul off of his horse while he's traveling to Damascus to kill more Christians. And he says, Paul, or his name was Saul at that point, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? And he's blinded by this light and he's like, who are you, Lord? He says, I am Jesus the Nazarene whom you are persecuting. And then he tells Paul to go to a certain house, to meet a certain guy who's going to heal his blindness

because he strikes Paul blind by the light. And I'm like, that sounds like a pretty genuine encounter with a light being. But what happens is Paul has two more visionary experiences with Jesus over the next few years and decades. And he goes on to say, oh, I met Jesus in another vision. And then a third vision. And Jesus told me the real gospel, which is that Jesus himself was the final animal sacrifice of God.

And that Jesus's murder on God's behalf was the final atonement. And all you have to do is just confess with your mouth, I believe you died for my sins. Boom, you're saved. That's all you have to do. Sign sealed, delivered. And the problem is that's very different than you. Jesus' gospel that he actually taught in those red letters when he lived and walked on earth. And that was one of the first things that started to rub me wrong about Christianity.

I was a worship leader, right? I was a pastor's son my whole life. I'm around Christians 24-7 and I noticed we don't seem to care very much about the middle part. We care a lot about the virgin birth and a lot about the crucifixion and resurrection. but those red letters in those years in between the birth and death of Christ, we don't give a whole lot of credit to in comparison. And then we get obsessed over what Paul said about Jesus, but he never met Jesus. And he actually very much condemned and called the apostles hypocrites.

He called them so-called apostles. He says, they mean nothing to me in Galatians. So to me, it started to seem that Paul was probably jealous of the disciples, because he wished he probably could have been one of them. And he didn't like the gospel they were preaching, which was stop killing animals. God doesn't want blood sacrifices. Really the same stuff that all the prophets in the Old Testament

from Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Malachi, all of them started to condemn the practice of animal sacrifices in the Old Testament. And Jesus shows up and he's like, yo, isn't it written in your law? I do not desire sacrifice, but a broken and contrite spirit? And then you have Paul saying,

But no, Jesus was the last animal sacrifice. So it's this total contradiction, right? And I couldn't face up to it at a certain point, right? I'm like, this doesn't make sense to me. I don't know this God that you all are talking about who wants blood for forgiveness. I only know a God. I've only encountered a God in myself who is infinitely merciful, who forgives 70 times seven, who wants a righteous, pure heart and service to others.

You know, Jesus was huge about love your neighbor. feed the poor, visit the prisoner, this is my gospel. And don't you dare call me your Lord and try to confess me with your mouth if you're not out helping the least of these? And so I couldn't reconcile those contradictions anymore and decided to leave the faith. And I'm so glad I did because that's what led me on this long 10-year journey of actually very similar to Jesus, studying all these Eastern traditions to get a more holistic picture of who Yeshua Hamashiyah, Jesus Christ, was he was an enlightened avatar probably reincarnation of the Buddha maybe even as the Tibetan say and seeing him through that lens suddenly made perfect sense that he actually came to get

rid of the idea that God needs blood and death and violence to forgive people and that we ourselves are the ones who need to forgive not God powerful so this leads really nicely into the sevenfold path of peace and Jesus's more mystical teachings and the teaching of the Aseans, which is such a beautiful pathway of purification. And so what would you say is like the core teaching of that? You kind of gave a little bit of the analogy of the seven branches down and up and kind of merging them in between. So let's start to open that up as we go into the seven earthly angels and heavenly angels and heavenly angels. And, um, the Jesus diet as you've been following it and so many cool things dive into here.

Yeah. So there's a few kind of basic modalities of the Aseen way. And they call it the sevenfold path of peace. The Aseans were very big on peace. Even their gospels called the Aene Gospel of Peace in Hebrew. And I would say the crux of it is the communion with the angels. And when you read the Aene Gospel, it's just an incredible book. the first gospel is essentially just a series of sick people, as you know, that are coming to Jesus being like, Lord, Lord, help us. We're so sick. We don't know why we're so sick, but we can't get healed. And we know that you have the power to heal us. And rather than just laying his hands on them, as he does in the gospels, he teaches them how they have violated natural law and have basically, he would use words like invited Satan into your body. And Satan just represents like the negative polarity or something.

right like darkness karma maybe and he gives them these kind of holistic very like naturopathic remedies to heal their bodies and says you have defiled the temple of of god of your body with all these abominations of drinking and licentiousness and unhealthy eating and gluttony and so you must return to the natural way and he says blessed are you who ask for wisdom for i will give you the bread of wisdom and i will i will show you the path of the earthly mother's angels and how to walk with the earthly mother's angels. And so he gives them these prescriptions of, you know, first it's the angel of air, the angel of water, the angel of earth, angel of sunlight, angel of life, and the angel of joy.

And then the earthly mother is the seventh one. And he step by step teaches them what these angels are and how to commune with them. And so the ascene path is every morning you commune with one of the seven angels of the earthly mother. and every evening you commune with one of the angels of the heavenly father. And in doing so, essentially you're building a bridge between yourself and that power. Angels is just a metaphor, right? It's not an actual entity with wings or something. But as you know, ancient cultures were very metaphorical in that they understood,

you can't really get at divine truth, like directly with words and concepts. There's no one right word you can lay upon any divine principle. So it's almost better not to even try and to just use metaphors and symbols, right, to point to these truths. So they use the term angels or malachim. And so these are really like spiritual forces or spiritual powers that we, again, have lost relationship with through our deviation in our sins. And so by communing with these angels and powers every day, you're reestablishing that metaphysical link with that power. and this is why the Ascenes were known healers, is that they had a oneness with these, like the four elements, for example, that they could command them to be used for healing or whatever they needed psychically. And what's interesting is my personal theory is this is how Jesus performed his miracles.

You know, he walks on water in one of the miracles. there's the famous miracle where there's a blind man and Jesus spits into the mud and creates some mud with his saliva and rubs it on the man's eyes and then says go wash in the pool of Siloam and he does and his eyes are opened and you see what Jesus was probably doing there

was using his saliva, angel of water it's passing through the angel of air hitting the angel of earth angel of sunlight is shining upon it so he's mixing the four elements and he has command over them because of his communion with them. And he probably rubbed them on the man's eyes and psychically told them to heal his vision. And so he has to go on a 15-minute walk to this pool. And by the time he gets there, the miracle had been performed.

So it's very interesting to think about these Aseen teachings with how Jesus did these miracles. But the Aescenae were known healers. They were called the Therapeuti in Greek, which means healers. And Josephus, Pliny, Philo, all. wrote about how people would come from far and wide to get healed by the Aseans in the Kumron Valley because they were known for this. And what's also cool is that these first century writers and historians also said that the kings and rulers from all the lands really respected the Aseans because these people lived with no money. So they were no threat to any king. You know,

they had no army. It said they made no shields, no breastplates, no arrows, no bows, no swords. no weapon could be found amongst them. They had no money because they believed that poverty or great wealth was a deviation from natural law. And they just kept to themselves and practiced communing with God in purity. And they healed everyone who came to them. So it's like kind of hard to hate those people, right? They're no threat and they just want to help. And so these kings would actually speak very highly of the Aesines and would even send for Aeneans to come to their, you know, palaces and whatnot if they were sick sometimes.

And the Aesines would do that. So they had a very friendly relationship with the surrounding nations because their reputation kind of spoke for itself. Yeah, one of the passages in the Aseen Gospel of Peace is talking about no one gets to the Heavenly Father unless through the earthly mother. And you're talking about the process of elemental alchemization of living in right relationship essentially with the earth to purify yourself, to become a vessel, I suppose worthy of receiving the power of that divinity. Right. The whole idea is like, if you can't even take care of the physical vessel you were given, why should you be allowed or able to purify your spiritual vessel? You know, first earth, then heaven, we've been given this order by the creator to master certain levels of creation in that order, just like grades in school or something. And so to totally ignore the physical body and your relationship with the earth and just try to ascend up in consciousness or something would be like a first grader trying to get into eighth grade. I think, no, you got to pay your dues. You got to prove that you're worthy of eighth grade by passing all these tests first. And so physical purity and health was of great importance to them because, as you said, they believed you can't get to the Heavenly Father with a sick, distorted body because that represents your deviation from the law. So first the mother and then the father. So I definitely want to go into the seven angels of the earthly mother and I thought it was very fascinating how much the first kind of gospel was really focused on how and what to eat. eat and much of how to live in right relationship with those elements and whatnot. But first,

let's just cover the seven angels of the Heavenly Father. And I found this really, really beautiful and fascinating as well as one of the passages was something along the lines of just as a bird cannot fly with one wing, so the bird of wisdom cannot fly without the wings of love and power. So let's go through the Heavenly Angels on the Heavenly Father's side and go from there. I love that quote because obviously being a huge student of the law of one, the law of one teaches something called the three disciplines of the personality. They ask Ra like, how do we ascend spiritually? How do we graduate to the next density? And Ra says through the three disciplines of the personality.

And it is know thyself, love thyself, and become the creator. And so you have wisdom, know thyself, love, accept thyself, and power. become the creator. And it's kind of this infusion of the masculine, feminine principles, right? That you must join just like in physicality, right? To create a person, to create a human life, masculine and feminine must join. And that creates the power to birth new life. It's a physical metaphor also for the spiritual plane as well, that if we want to have true spiritual power, we have to have wisdom and love imbued together and balanced together. Because if you have only one or the other, you're like a bird with a broken wing, and it's hard to fly. And so the angels of the

heavenly father are the angel of love, the angel of wisdom, the angel of power, the angel of eternal life, the heavenly father. Work, peace, and the heavenly. Thank you. Angel of creative work, they call it, and then the angel of peace. Those are the seven. And we can go through really quick if you want and just explain what they mean. But I love, for example, the angel of power, when they teach you the communion with each angel, they give you a little mantra to repeat. And so I begin my meditations, whether morning or evening, with the mantra. And then they say, essentially, you have to contemplate that power and connect with it and understand the way it manifests in different ways. And so with the angel of power, for example, the mantra that Jesus gives says,

angel of power, descend upon my acting body, and fill with power all my actions. And Jesus explains, and then he'll give a little stanza explaining that angel to you as well, saying, you know, again, very much like anti-Paulian gospel. He says, words and confessions and thoughts by themselves really don't mean anything. But the way that they translate to your actions and behaviors and who you are, your way of being is what really matters. And that's what the angel of power is for. The angel of power takes all that wisdom and all that love and imbues it through the body as spiritual power so that when you walk into the room, when you interact with people, they feel a tangible presence about you, that your wisdom and love are demonstrated in your

actions. So he says, the Sons of Light will not only speak, but they will also do. And in their doing, will the angel of power be demonstrated? So that's one example of the way that the communions are taught, is that you're supposed to understand the power that you're connecting with, the force you're connecting with, and then you're supposed to contemplate the way it manifests and sort of visualize that force acting through you. So that's angel of power. Obviously, Angel of Love is pretty self-explanatory. They believe that love should be imbued in all of your feelings. So it's angel of love, descend upon me and fill with love all my feelings, that any unloving feeling towards another brother or sister represents a deviation from God's law because God is love.

Jesus actually says, your heavenly father is love, your earthly mother is love, therefore be loving to demonstrate who they are. So that's the angel of love. Angel of wisdom is also pretty self-explanatory. We must have wisdom in our thoughts and in our deeds to express who the heavenly father is. Yeah. Did you want to read one? Well, yeah, I mean, the angel of wisdom who maketh man free from fear wide of heart. and easy of conscience. I really love that. It's so poetic, isn't it?

Yeah. It's beautiful. And it makes sense, you know. Somebody's living their life from wisdom has the ability to perceive multiple kind of realities. Therefore, freeing them from one linear dogmatic way of thinking, which would contribute to so much fear in the mind, to live like easy of conscience,

to like live in alignment and integrity. Yeah, it's just so powerful. And what's really cool is that the seven angels of the mother also correlate to the father. There's a, it's like physical, spiritual, they, they sink in together. As above so below and the way it integrates. Right. Like we know the four elements, right?

Angel of air represents the angel of wisdom. Angel of water represents the angel of love. Angel of earth represents the angel of power and so forth. So you have the angel of peace. After that, the mantra is peace, peace, angel of peace, be always everywhere. And they believed that peace should permeate everything you do, everyone you meet, everywhere you go. And in fact, their famous greeting was peace be with you. They would say that to one another, you know, strangers on the road, peace be with you.

And that was kind of how people knew that they were in a scene, was they would always greet you with peace be with you. Yeah. I want to start sending emails out with that at the bottom. I thought about it too. The greetings. It's a pretty badass greeting for an email. Yeah. So we got love power was.

peace, eternal life, and work. Yes. So the angel of creative work is so cool because it explains how man is meant to create, right? That's also part of who God is in us, is God is the creator. And so we are co-creators with God. So the angel of creative work is that angel that inspires us with our passion, our excitement, the drive to do and to create and to build more of God's kingdom on earth. And so Jesus says, you know, build God's kingdom, oh, sons of light, through the angel of creative work. And then you have the angel of eternal life, which goes back to what I was mentioning a bit ago, about how they believed mankind, man was created perfect originally and fell from that state of perfection,

that the Adam and Eve Genesis story was like a loose metaphor for what had really happened metaphysically, is that we sinned. We started sinning and violating the holy law of free will. And so eternal light, angel of eternal life was the power that enables man to return back to that state of perfection. And they believed, in fact, that the only purpose of the universe could be eternal life, almost like a video game or something, right? That we incarnate into these bodies that grow sick and old and die, and we're supposed to figure out why and to solve the problems. And so the angel of eternal life is that power that shows us how to return to God's laws and empowers us. to return to God's laws and have, as Jesus said, over and over in the New Testament. Whoever believes in me will not die, but have everlasting life or eternal life.

Now, for God did not send his son to condemn the world, but that the world through him might have eternal life. So that was a big, huge part of the Aseen sevenfold path of peace was that we're meant to have eternal life. God intended it. We're the ones who lost it. So we're the ones who must return back to it. There has to be that choice, right?

the free will to be able to merge that in the divine will of the creator. I love the creative works because it makes so much sense as you're communing with the earthly angels and the elements you purify your system. You have time to spend doing things that essentially make the immaterial manifest through your works in the world and your creative action. Whatever that is, you know, it can be expressed in so many different ways, but finding that that Darmic purpose, that alignment with the desire of seeing what is most needed on the planet right now. How can I serve with what has been given to me is something that I'm very passionate about. And same with you and your work that you do. And it's an interesting invitation for the listeners to also

contemplate in which way, you know, God's, how can God create through me? How can I be used by God in the best way possible? And not just what I want of life, but what life wants of me. And, And applying that, I feel like gives that universal amplification energy to support you on that path too. Yeah, you could also think of the angel of creative work as the angel of Dharma. Same idea. Yeah. Yeah. So the merging of both, what would you say if you had to kind of the core principle or teaching of this?

Like it's leading to essentially merging earth and heaven within the self, yeah? Yes. Yeah. The Aescenes had this drawing of the tree of life. and it's very similar to the Buddhist tree of life. It's the picture of a man kind of meditating and half his body's below the earth, the upper half is above the earth,

and he's in the center of a tree. And maybe we can put it on screen or something. You've got seven branches up, seven roots down, and each one has the name of the angel attached to it. So the picture they were trying to draw is that the tree of life, which if you remember the story of Genesis with Adam and Eve, God says you're allowed to eat of the tree of life, but essentially don't eat the tree of duality,

which would be the same thing as saying like, don't eat the tree of separation consciousness, right? Eat the tree of oneness over here, the tree of life. So they believe the tree of life was what we're meant to embody. So by embodying the seven angels of the earthly mother and the heavenly father, we return to that state of perfection that was originally intended. And this was something that it had transpired over. thousands of years, right? We fell from grace, not in one moment, but over thousands of years of

gradually deviating from eternal law. And so they believed it's going to take time to get back there again. So that's why they were big on marriage and reproducing and really preserving their lifestyle and their path of teachings that this was what they said was not invented by them, but was given to them by God. And it was the path of Enoch, their father, that Enoch originally taught in the book of Enoch. And so they very much revered Enoch as their father and the way shower, you know. So you have Jesus kind of being like this reincarnation of Enoch almost, where he ascends to heaven, just like Enoch did at the end of his life. They very much saw Jesus as like the first finished product we've been working towards, you know, they believed eventually everybody would be like a Christ. Everyone would

be born enlightened from birth and would live to be a thousand years old and all this. But Jesus, was like the first one born among them that proved to them that what they were doing was working because they couldn't deny that this child had incredible spiritual wisdom and purity at such a young age. I mean, he didn't even want to get married at 13 or 14. I don't know about you, dude, but I was pretty interested in girls at that age. And Jesus was so not interested in that that he wandered away from his birthplace to go study other teachings. Yeah. So deep in his knowing of self. And I mean, it's a completely different world from the average 13 or 14. year old in today's age, you know.

To say the least. But yeah, they recognize the purity of this being and the missing years of his life in terms of going to India and Persia and Tibet. And is true. Just such a wild story. And I love Parmahansa Yogananda's kind of take also. And he's got a two-volume series book on the second coming of Christ, which is the resurrection of the Christ within and the Christ consciousness, something that far predates

the physical being of Jesus or Christ or Yeshua. and something that we all have the capacity to activate and realize within us as well. So what is the resurrection of Christ and it's in our capacity to have that and realize that in our lifetime? We know the word Christ is again the word Hamashiyah, which means anointed one. And there's some pretty good evidence to say that that title was given to Yeshua by the Aseans. They were like, he's the anointed one. He's the Messiah that we've prophesied would be born. And if you read the New Testament, there's a few passages where they quote some Old Testament passage that says, he will be born a Nazarene.

And they said, look, he is the fulfillment of the scriptures. He is the Messiah that we foretold. And so the word Christ means anointed one. And so when we talk about Christ consciousness or the resurrection of the Christ and you, it has to be pointing to that principle, right? Again, what Christianity overlooks or takes for granted is that Christ is not a person, but a state of consciousness that, again, the Aesenes were trying to merge back with. Not just a being, but a state of being. Yeah, not just a being, but a state of being. And so what good is it to just confess a person who lived 2,000 years ago and say, that's my Lord and Savior,

but you go on lying, stealing, cheating, all that stuff. Which I've just always abhorred in like the Christians that you kind of just use it as a scapegoat to say, yes, I've said I've accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Essentially just like do whatever I want and I'm good. I'm going to the prolegates, you know? And it's like, okay, fair, no judgment. But at the same time, like how, that makes no sense to me that a Buddhist monk who would never kill a fly who lives his life with so much compassion and service to others.

who knowingly had awareness of, you know, quote unquote, accepting Christ into his heart and didn't, now I was going to burn in hell for eternity, you know, pretty, just never made sense to me. And you're not alone in that. For sure. It's, it's the universal reason that anyone rejects the Christian faith, because Jesus said, you know a tree by its fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit. And a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. So the hypocrisy of Christianity of Christianity is the thing that not only me, but also my parents, um, had had suffered from so much that drove me to the place of, this must be a bad tree if I'm seeing so much bad fruit. And anybody listening, even if you're a fundamentalist Christian listening to this, you cannot deny

all the, the rampant hypocrisy you've seen in probably every church you've ever been involved in. I mean, I knew countless youth pastors getting caught sleeping with their, you know, youth students, laundering money, constant relentless fights for power and coup d'etaz, overthrow attempts of pastors, spreading rumors, gossiping. I could go on and on and tell you stories about my parents suffering these things. And it's like, is this the fruit of the true gospel of Jesus who said they will know you by your love for one another? That's how they'll know. You're my followers. It's got to be a bad tree. And so it's a well-intended tree. You know, everyone who's a Christian has great intentions. You want to do right. You want to follow God. But this is such a

nuanced topic, right, to understand how this original message of Jesus got diluted, hijacked, stolen by the Roman Catholic Church. Changed time and time again. Changed, censored, totally bastardized from its original intention that you can't just read this book that's been around for almost 2,000 years and expect that it's exactly what the original message was, hasn't been tampered with. That's just ignorant, right? You've got to do your research and say, let me backtrace the whole history of this movement. Because if we know one thing about mankind is that man always changes the original intention of any holy person who's ever lived through the ages, the ego of man who wants to have control, always gets involved and hijacks the religion. It's not, Christianity is not the one unique faith where that's never happened.

In fact, I would say it's happened far worse in Christianity than any religion in existence. I would say that, and this is a very controversial statement as well, but I would say that the Apostle Paul is the single most influential human being who's ever lived. Not Jesus Christ, because he stole Jesus Christ's message and made it something very different than it actually was. And now everyone associates Paul's gospel. And by the way, he called it my gospel over and over again. He didn't call it Jesus's gospel. He said, my gospel is the blood of Christ. Well, that wasn't Jesus's gospel.

And that's the big problem. So to get back to Jesus's message, you have to study the Aseans and understand where Jesus came from, what he taught. And this is what's really cool, man, if you want to get into this, is the incredible amount of proofs in the Bible itself, not only with all these early historical. historians that prove beyond any shadow of a doubt overwhelmingly that Jesus was definitely a Nazarene, a scene who essentially probably came to Jerusalem to say, yo, these people are so lost in this blood cult of animal sacrificing, thinking that this deity Yahweh wants blood to atone for sins,

I got to go help these people. I got to go preach the truth to them because they're just falling farther away from God. And that was the compassion of Christ to go do that. And he probably knew they're going to murder me for it at some point, but what other purpose is there to be alive than to serve the creator and to spread the good news, he called it? So do you want to get into that? I would love for you to go through, because there's a lot of really important points, I think, especially on the heels of what is definitely controversial triggering kind of speech that you gave that I very much so am in agreeance with. I think this helps solidify it as well. So I'd love to take some space just to go through some of those. Awesome. So I'm going to read you six known,

Asean creeds, actually seven technically, that Jesus states in the New Testament Gospels. Because again, there's so much proof in the Bible itself that Jesus was in a scene. And then when you get to sources outside the Bible, it just becomes this overwhelming mountain of evidence. But you know, you begin with the fact he was born in Nazareth. You begin with the fact that he was constantly condemning the Pharisees and Sadducees for their hypocrisy. So stands to reason he probably wasn't a Pharisee or a Sadducee that only leaves one other Jewish sect, which was the Aseans. And so throughout his teachings, especially like the sermon on the Mount, Jesus, word for word, expresses Aseen creeds that people like Filo and

Josephus document. Which Fylo and Josephus, can you give just quick context where they are for the people that don't know? Yeah, Josephus was a Roman historian. I think he was a Jewish by birth, but a Roman citizen who was a prolific historian. Most of this comes from his text, Wars of the Jews. And where he documented the wars between the Jews and Rome in those days. Philo was a Greek historian, I believe. And then there's Pliny the Elder. Philo of Alexandria. So yes, he was Greek.

And Philo probably has the most extensive writings about the Ascenes and Jesus, but Josephus is very close behind. And these people both lived in the first century at the actual time Jesus walked. And so the first one to me, now when I found these sources of Philo, his document called Every Good Man is Free. Amazing document of early first century history. And then Josephus and Pliny, I just dove into all these documents and reading them through. And they're very lengthy.

But I was just shocked at the amount of crossover I saw from things that they would say about Jesus or the ascines and actual statements of Jesus that I started making these notes of like, this is an actual Assene creed, Philo's mentioning here. and Jesus says it in Matthew 5. And then I just kept cross-referencing like that and pulled out about six or seven of those. So the first one is Jesus forbidding oaths. This is a quote from Philo, Every Good Man is free. Speaking of the Ascenes, he says, They refuse to swear oaths, believing every word they speak to be stronger than an oath. Matthew 533 through 36, Jesus says,

Again, you have heard that it was said of those of old. You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your. oaths to the Lord. So again, here's where we have a divergence from Orthodox Judaism and what Jesus taught and did. In Judaism, they very much believed in swearing oaths to the Lord. And Jesus says, but I say to you, do not swear oaths at all. Neither by heaven nor by earth, but let your yes be yes and your no be no. For whatever is more than these is from the evil one. And it's funny, the title of that passage in the Bible is Jesus forbids oaths. And that was, something Philo said the Ascines were huge on, was never swearing oaths.

So there's one Ascene creed. The second one, Philo says, it is the Ascene's first creed to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. Have you heard that before somewhere? Matthew 6. Jesus says, seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. Literally, word for word, the Ascene Creed. Phila says, number three, lay up nothing on earth for yourselves and fix your mind solely upon heaven, saying this is one of the Aseans creeds. In Matthew 6, Jesus says,

lay up not for yourself treasures on earth, but lay up for yourself treasures in heaven. The fourth Aene Creed, Philo says, part of the Aseen Brotherhood Creed was to forsake your father and mother, houses and land, for the kingdom of God. In Luke 18, Jesus says, there is no man that has left house or parents

or brethren or children for the kingdom of God's sake who will not receive manifold more. And what that means, by the way, is not like, screw you mom, I'm going to go follow the Ascines. You know, it's, it needs to be the most important thing to you so that if your mom or your dad says, no, I forbid you to follow that way, then you have to say, sorry then, because this is the most important thing to me. You have to be willing to forsake everything, is the point. So that's the fourth creed. The fifth Ascene creed, Philo says, the Ascines were adamant never to call any earthly man father or master, for we have one father and master alone, they said. And that's the referring to, you know, bishops and priests as father.

That was something the Aseen said, don't do that. Don't give men this kind of power like that. All are equal and no one is your father but God alone. Matthew 23, Jesus says, call no man your father on earth, for you have but one father in heaven. Word for word, right? Number six and seven are kind of in the same quote. So I'll break it down.

Josephus says, whenever an ascene goes out to speak, they take nothing with them. They take nothing for the wants of their body. And in Luke 10, Jesus admonishes his disciples when he sends them out and says, carry neither purse nor bag nor sandals with you on your way. And then he says, in whatever house you enter, say first, peace be to this house. And that's why I put that as seven because Philo and Josephus both say that that was the famous greeting everyone knew the Ascenes by,

was peace be with you. So when you enter a house, you say, peace be with your house. Also a known as seen creed. So those are sources outside the gospels that corroborate Jesus's teachings in the gospels. But the most incredible one to me, and I almost jumped out of my pants when I saw this dude. Because I've had some debates with Christians here and there

that will comment on my videos and be like, there's no proof at all. Jesus was in the scene. And so I need to have satisfying answers for them to really consider. to change their mind because you've got to see this for yourself. This isn't like a debate you should have with someone, but like, well, here's the evidence. Go research it. See what you think. And when you come to the inescapable conclusion that Jesus was an Aseen master, that changes everything about the type of gospel that you're going to have to believe in. Because again, the Aseen way was total opposite

from the Paulian gospel. And so this is from Acts, the book of Acts chapter 24, where the book of Acts is basically like a hype book that his disciples wrote about Paul to hype him up and make him look like this amazing, you know, guy that most biblical scholars don't think a lot of the stories in Acts are historical, but kind of like fables and stuff. There's some, we know that there are some real accounts, different meetings between the Sanhedron and the disciples that actually took place that are in other documents like the pseudo-Clementines and the Ascense of James. So it's, not that it's all lies, but like extrapolations and exaggerations to make Paul look better. And so in Acts 24, Paul is before the Sanhedron, and they accuse him of being the ringleader of the Nazarenes. And so it says, we have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect. And by the way, Epiphanius was a second century, third century. century bishop of Constantia. He says, before they were called Christians, they were called

Aseans or Nazarenes. That was the first Jewish Christian movement that the disciples of Jesus actually started. Which Nazare and ASEAN merged together. Yes, you got it. The word Nazar is Netsar or Netser, which means an offshoot or a branch. So it means like the Ascines were an offshoot of Judaism, right? And the word Aseigne, or Esseloi in Hebrew, most scholars who study the Aseans and the Dead Sea Scrolls, because they can't find any historical evidence that Nazareth was an actual town in the first century, they say, okay, it must be a reference to the sect

of the first century, of the Aseans. And so they believe that it's a combination of Netsar and Aseen, Nazarein. Just speculation, though, but you're correct. And so the the Nazarenes were the first Jesus movement. And Paul was going around preaching about this Jesus guy. And to these Roman officials, like, it was all the same to them. Or the Jewish clergy. Like, Jesus movements, I don't care what they are.

Like, it's all the same to me. They're preaching this guy. They say was the Savior. We don't like it. We're going to condemn you. So they don't really understand the difference between Paul's gospel and the Nazarenes' gospel. So they just hear he's talking about Jesus. and they're like, he's that ringleader of that new Nazarene sect.

And Philo also says that they were also called followers of the way. Followers of the way. And so Paul responds to the accusation that he's the ringleader of the Nazarene sect. And he says, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the way, which they also call a sect. So right there in the book of Acts, we have Paul confirming that the early Christian movement were the Nazareans, and that has incredible historical implications for what happened later to them

and how they got wiped out from the church by basically the Paul's recruits of the pagan Christians. But they were essentially a movement that lasted until about 364 AD when the year before the Bible was created. Everyone knows the Council of Nicaa, where they put the Bible together. but the year before that in 364 AD was the Council of Laodicia. And that's when they officially banned any kind of Nazarian or ASEAN ritual from being practiced in Israel, especially the observance of the Sabbath, because the Aeneens were very strict on the seventh day. You fast and you pray all day.

You commune with the angels. You do no work. You consecrate the Sabbath to the Lord. And Paul very famously was like, you don't need to follow any of these Jewish rituals, don't observe the Sabbath anymore, just confess Jesus. And so that movement grew and grew over the next few hundred years. And for about those 300 years, the Nazarenes and the Paul's Greek Christians who weren't Jewish were side by side living together. And the Greek Christian movement, the pagan Christians were growing way faster in number. And so you got to the tipping point in 364.

Well, in 135, they were. banished from Jerusalem, but the Nazarenes still had a lot of influence around Jerusalem and had a pretty big following. And so it was another, you know, 100 some odd, 200 years later that the bishop, the Pope of Rome officially said it is illegal to practice Nazarian Christianity here. You will be put to death if you're found being a Nazareen. And so that's the last we see of the Nazarens in church history. Seems like overwhelming evidence. One would say, right? Yeah. I mean, it's world changing, to understand that he was an ascene, or to explore that possibility at the very least, and it makes sense in the way that they lived. And so, such a beautiful path of purification

internally first in connection with the Heavenly Father. So, so yeah, I just want to keep on diving into a little bit of the wisdom of the Aseans. And, you know, one, one really, I mean, there's a lot of controversial areas here, but the animal sacrifice thing and the fact that the Ascines were vegetarians is very interesting as well. Buddy of mine, Cameron Waters and Kipp Anderson just came out with this film called Christspiracy.

Oh, yes. Amazing film. So really interesting. It's definitely ripe right now in culture to all this. Yeah. So just diving a little bit deeper into the Aesans, they did have this kind of initiatory process, which I find very interesting,

especially in what, when we go into the diet of what they ate and everything, matches so much with Chinese medicine, Iroveda, what modern science has, and is proving more and more towards longevity.

But the initiatory phase of like seven years of following these principles to then go on this like 40-day journey or fast was very interesting to me. So what was kind of the initiations as an as a scene. Yeah. Well, the cool part is,

again, we have Philo who lived with them for three years and he documents exactly what it was. And it's not totally clear if he was with the Oceans or the Nassarians.

I think he might have been with the Oceans, the more strict sect. But he says there was a three-year initiatory period where when Philo said, oh no, sorry,

Pliny said, almost day and night people were coming to the ASEans who had grown weary of, you know, whether it's Jewish living in Israel and they're like, yo, I'm so tired of these animal sacrifices

and all this brutal dogma I have to follow. I want to follow your guy's way. It seems like you guys have it figured out. And the Aesnes very wisely were like, cool, you can join us. Here's a hatchet. Here's a cloak and a tunic. And you're going to have to live outside

of our community. They had like an outskirts part of their community where people who were trying to work their way into the community would live. And interestingly, in Dolores Cannon's work, Jesus and the Aseans. You've read that, right? Listen to parts of it.

Okay. Do you remember the part where she describes the different headbands they would wear? So it's kind of a channeled hypnotic regression of a woman who had a past life

of a man named Sadi, a seen teacher in the first century. And she's questioning him and stuff and he says that they wore different headbands to delineate what phase of initiation you were in. So those who came outside of the community,

those who were not born among the Ascenes wore red headbands to distinguish that they were trying to earn their way in. Then you had light blue, I think another color, and then white. And so- Karatee belts for Ascension. Totally. That's exactly what I thought too. It's like a jujitsu belt for spirituality, which is pretty badass.

But they gave an opportunity for people to prove their salt, right? They said, yeah, you can join us, but prove it. prove you want it bad enough. Because you can imagine how fast their very pure society would denigrate if they just let people in with open borders, kind of like we're doing, right? It corrupts society very quickly when you don't have a vetting process. And so it was a three-year period where they would live outside the community, I think, for one year, Philo said. They were allowed to interact and stuff, but they had to live a distance away and practice the Aseen way very strictly. and then they were welcome to live in the community for two more years.

And they had to do work and pull their weight and do all the same stuff that other Ascines would do. And then they were allowed to be considered in a scene. And then they began their seven year initiatory work. And Jesus references it in the Ascene Gospel of Peace in, I can't remember which section it is. But he says, when he's introducing the angels, he says, this is what you've waited seven years to hear, essentially, is this sacred knowledge of these angels. And on that note, you may know this as well, but the Aseans kept their nois or their knowledge so sacred that it was well known that these people, the Aseans, had secret knowledge, and that's why they're sometimes called the Gnostics. The Nag Hammadi Library is different from the Dead Sea Scrolls. That's what's considered the Gnostic library of Gnostic writings that was discovered, not that

far after, I think, 1954, Nagamadi was discovered. And it's all of these, you know, late first, second, even third century, Gnostic Christian writings that are, again, very different than Orthodox Christianity. And that's because in 135 AD, when the Nazarens were kicked out of Jerusalem, a couple new movements started like the Ebia knights and different offshoots of the original ascines as they were trying to survive, you know. And then in 364, when they said, you'll be killed if in a scene, they kind of put an end to that movement altogether and they probably were scattered. Someone to Ethiopia. It's rumored and became the Rastafarians and stuff. There's all kinds of cool connections, but the Nag Hammadi Library was where those early Ascine Christians stashed their

texts was in the Nag Hammadi Library, very similar to what their ancestors did 300 years earlier in the Dead Sea Scroll Library. So they were very adamant about preserving sacred wisdom, which again is the fifth path of peace in the sevenfold path of peace. So they walked the walk, you know, and nothing proves how much these people walked the walk more than what happened to them when they were caught in 68 AD by Rome. Josephus in his wars with the Jews documents in very gruesome detail what happened to these ascines and how they were tortured. He says they were subjected to every instrument and conceivable manner of torture, you know, tongues ripped out, all this stuff, to get them to share their secret knowledge. Because again, everyone knew that these Jewish

Ascenes had secret knowledge that you couldn't know unless you became one of them and stuff. And so it built some resentment probably in like, oh, give us your secret knowledge, Ascenes, but they wouldn't. And Josephus says all of the, you know, thousand plus ascens initiated ascines that they captured and tortured, not a single one of them gave up any of their sacred knowledge. They all allowed themselves to be tortured to death. And Josephus even says they did so smilingly

that while they were being burned alive and tortured to death, they sort of had a smug grim on their face of like, there's nothing you can do to my body that's going to make me confess what's inside of me. And so if that doesn't earn your respect and show you how legitimate these people are, nothing will. And Philo has an amazing quote,

about them in that document where he's describing them that I think will give you a good taste of how remarkable they were. He says, the ascines were erased by themselves, more remarkable than any other in the world, the oldest of the initiates, receiving their teachings from Central Asia, probably Persia, Tibet. Teachings perpetuated through an immense space of ages, constant and unalterable holiness. And they prove, that unalterable holiness by allowing themselves to be tortured to death. Which is that, the ultimate act of that as to crucifixion, yeah. Yeah, greater love has no man than this, right?

Yeah, powerful, man. There's so much there. And in the process of the Aseans in their initiatory process, like I just liked how they would see kind of this generational pass down of purification and how it would kind of lead to more, I guess, holy beings and coming into incarnation and how that would lead to society and humanity eventually like really flourishing and blossoming,

which is really beautiful as well. Well, on that note, you know, the Aesemes were big believers in reincarnation. And there's a couple passages in the New Testament that accidentally reveal that a lot of the first century Jews also did, or at least the Aseen Jews who followed Jesus because they ask Jesus,

well, Jesus asks his disciples, who do people say that I am, which is a weird question, right? What do you mean? You're Jesus of Nazareth. Everyone calls you that. That's not what he was asking. He was asking like, who do they say I'm the reincarnation of, right? And they say, Lord, some people say you're the reincarnation of, or some people say you're the prophet Elijah. Others say Moses. Others say one of the other prophets. And he says, but who do you say I am? And I believe it's Peter says, you are the Christ, the son of the living God. And he says, Blessed are you, Simon, for man has not revealed this to you, but your father who dwells in heaven.

So he was saying, like, I see in you the incarnation of the avatar is essentially what he was saying. And when the Aseans were practicing, as you described, trying to purify themselves back to the state of perfection, it was because they believed great spiritual masters want to incarnate into our planet to help us and to lead us. they would call them the teachers of righteousness and every great once in a while one of them pops in the buddhas christmas christ's but they said a whole lot more of them can come here if we purify the body because these beings on the spiritual frequency they operate on are not a match to this sick quickly dying human body that's full of diseases and stuff so we need to make the body a host for these higher beings so they can incarnate and again they believe jesus

was an incarnation of one of those beings. Maybe they didn't know who, but they speculated Elijah or Moses, one of the prophets. And it kind of shows you their philosophy of reincarnation that they believed the body has to match the frequency of the being who's trying to incarnate. Yeah. No, it makes sense. Do you think that the earliest scenes, like wisdom or secret knowledge, came like from Kabbalistic origins?

Oh, yes. In fact, Philo very much says that in his writings. The Ascenes were almost picture-perfect copies of the Pythagrians, interestingly enough, who were a Greek mystical branch who followed Pythagrius. And Phyllos says both of them, the Pythagrians and the Ascines were students of the Kabbalah or Kabbalistic students. And when you read the Kabbalah, it's very clear that they were, right? we see Jesus performing known Kabbalistic practices like baptism. Baptism is again not an Orthodox Jewish practice.

So try to convince me Jesus was just another ordinary Jew and not an as seen when he's practicing a known as seen slash Kabbalistic practice such as baptism, baptism in rivers especially because they didn't want you to be dunked in artificial water that was kept stagnant, like Pharisees and Sadducees would build pools in their home. They would have rooms that were made into pools so they could do their seven ritual washings every day. And the Ascines believe, no, it needs to be Mother Nature's water as the angel is supposed to be in rivers moving through the earth. So they would go out to the rivers to be baptized. John the Baptist, also a known ascine. It says that he ate wild honey and locust in the Bible. But the word locust is actually,

actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew locust tree. So he was eating essentially like plants and flowers of the locust tree. There's actually like a bean looking fruit that comes off the locust tree. So it makes you wonder if like were they putting these things in here to make these early Christians look like they weren't vegetarians? He ate bugs. When he didn't eat bugs, he ate, you know, plants and honey and so forth. And a lot of that with Jesus too, like eating fish and stuff. But with the Aesans, very clear that they forbid the eating of fish or any flesh of any animal, believing that you're essentially eating your brothers and sisters, right, when you're eating animals, which God did not intend for. In the scene gospel of peace, I love the quote attributed to Jesus saying, he who creates health

and his body creates a temple for the Lord to come and dwell in him. I found that so beautiful as just like physical purification leads to mental purification leads to like spiritual well-being and just like how that healthy mind or healthy body leads to a clear mind to a pure spirit. And so let's dive a little bit into the diet of what they ate as this is a big part of the practice. And then also you've been living in it for what, like a couple months now or a month now?

A little over three months. Cool. How are you feeling? Amazing. Amazing. Terrible. Right. I'm barely hanging on. So what did you think,

what did Jesus actually teach about? killing and the eating of meat and how yeah and then we'll go into the actual practical some more practical applicable wisdom but primarily first the actual diet of what they ate yeah well there's a lot of evidence even in the new testament that jesus was against the killing of animals but the most notable one is when jesus cleanses the temple and what's interesting is matthew mark luke and john all have that story, but they're all very different. And you see some of the censorship throughout them. I read all four like a month or two ago to cross compare how they described it. And I don't know how I overlooked this my whole life, but we're taught the narrative of that story that Jesus

goes into the temple and creates a whip out of cords and drives the money changers out and says, this was supposed to be a house of worship, but you've turned my father's house into a den of thieves. But in, so Matthew, Mark and Luke, it doesn't say he set loose any animals in the temple, except for doves. And I think Mark and Luke, it says he set some doves free. And you're like, that's weird, just doves, you know? But in the Gospel of John, interestingly enough, it says he sets the oxen, the sheep, and the doves loose from their cages and then kicks over the money tables. So he was clearly upset about the animals being caged, right? otherwise he wouldn't release them.

And so it wasn't just that people were monetizing the temple. It was that they were monetizing it off of the death of innocence. And that's what Jesus was really condemning them for, is that just like today, everything is monopolized, right? The priesthood was making hand over fist on these animal sacrifices. I mean, think how much money they must have been making. To have 250,000 goats slaughtered on the Passover, I don't know how much each goat cost, but they're getting paid pretty well, right?

And so you see a new picture of why Jesus was probably crucified is that he was getting in the way of the priesthood's money-making scheme by calling them out and condemning their practices. And that's, you know, even in our world today, when people get offed, it's always because they're getting in the way of someone's money in some way. They're threatening someone's power or their money. No different in Jesus's day. So I kind of see Jesus now as like the first censored person in human history or maybe even the first conspiracy theorist, you know, because he's saying, none of this is real. This is all a money scheme and you're all corrupting the temple. Oh, come on, Jesus. That's a conspiracy theory. They're genuine, I'm sure, right? I've always loved that understanding and depiction also of Jesus because I think most people have this perception of love being this kind of like soft, fragile, docile, you know, submissive type of energy where it can really express and be, extremely fierce and protective for the way. Yeah. Yeah, and Jesus definitely shows that. So your original question was about the Jesus diet. Do you want to get into that now? So I painted that picture just to show you like some evidence in the Bible that Jesus was very against this practice,

but in the, a seen gospel of peace, it's unquestionably all over the place, him condemning the practice of eating flesh and he says, he who eats the flesh of beasts eats the body of death and death can only produce death, whereas life can only produce life. And this was very helpful for me on my own spiritual path because I was a vegetarian many years ago for about a year and a half in 2019. And I wasn't eating a correct vegan diet by any means. I was not eating any animal products. I was just eating rice and vegetables. And so after a year of that, my hormone levels had crashed. My thyroid had crashed.

My cholesterol was terrible. And my nutritionist who looked at my blood work was like, you got to have some saturated fat man from animal products. And I had stopped eating animals because I didn't want to participate in the karma of killing something. Right. But I said, okay, God, I'm in a rock and a hard place here because I don't feel right about killing an innocent animal just so I can eat. That feels very service to self. but my body's clearly telling me it needs that to be healthy. So it can't be loving to my body to not be healthy. So I just went back eating only grass fed, grass finished meat from my local farmer's market,

no factory farming at all. But nonetheless, someone's still killing an animal for me to eat, right? And my hormones went back to normal, went back to healthy levels. I felt great. But there was always that internal conflict. And when it was interestingly during a night of insomnia, about four or five months ago that I couldn't sleep and I was about two thirds of the way

through the first gospel. And it was one of those nights where you're like, I'm wide freaking awake. I am definitely not going to sleep anytime soon. Might as well just accept it and be productive, right? So I had this thought to go to my upstairs living room and read the Ascine gospel. So it was like 2.30 a.m.

I go upstairs and I start reading it and it's the passage where he gets into the diet, which I call the Jesus diet for convenience. And he explains why eating me, meat is unholy and defiles the body and putrophies the gut and all this stuff. And I understood, I had like almost a psychedelic revelation of it where I understood what he's trying to say in a very first century way, which is that all that really matters in our food is the prana, you know, the life force energy in it. And whether it's minerals, nutrients, vitamins,

everything is just different ways of packaging the same elixir of life. And so when you eat fruits and things that are alive when you eat them, plants or eggs or milk or something like that, you're getting the life force energy from the food. And so it's helping not only your physical body be nourished, but it's helping the spiritual body, the subtle body, be nourished with more prana. But when you eat a dead animal, the life force had left that animal when it died. And so you're just eating the packages without the energy inside the package, which is really all that matter. And any biochemist will even say this, that it's ultimately just the ATP our body needs, but it gets that ATP in all these different ways from different nutrients, right? So I started to look at food more like the difference of the matter and water ratio in the food,

that water carries that life force energy in it, the angel of water. And so I think meat is like 60% water or 70% water, but fruit is like 99% water, same with vegetables. So you're obviously getting way more life force energy from the fruit or the vegetable. But on top of that, the meat is dead. So it doesn't even have the life force in it anymore. And so you're getting some nutrients that are maybe good for your physical body, but nothing to help the spiritual body. And then the second huge factor is the karma that you participate in because going back to the first holy law that we talked about, the everlasting agreement between God is man is do no harm, protect and honor the free will of all.

beings, love the Lord your God, love your neighbor as yourself. Is it loving your neighbor as yourself to kill someone and eat them? Certainly not. So although I didn't go out and kill the cow or the pig, I'm participating in that karmic event in some way when I eat the flesh, right? So in that night of reading that, it all made sense to me on a level that I had been praying to God to answer this question for me. Is it right or wrong? I don't know anymore. And so when Jesus explains the diet, he firstly talks very highly of raw milk. And I've always been a big fan of raw milk. But he basically says that raw milk is one of the greatest foods God created for man to eat. Because animals are meant for man, but we're supposed to eat what animals produce,

not the animals themselves. So the milk and the eggs and whatnot. And if you think about what milk is, it's actually just a very like compacted, densified plant product because all that cows eat is grass and plants. And so it's the cow's digestive system that's sort of like shillijit. It's like compounded plant substances in liquid form. And so you've got the whole host of amino acids, vitamins and minerals, a lot of hormone health enzymes and digestive enzymes that heal the gut and reset gut bacteria. And then you have eggs, which are also part of what's allowed and encouraged in the Jesus diet, which again have a perfect amino acid profile, omega-3s, saturated fats, all the stuff I wasn't getting when I was vegetarian. And he recommends, of course, lots of

fruit and honey and vegetables, herbs, nuts and seeds, it's all good. It's basically just like don't eat meat. And you're avoiding the karma that comes with that. So that's the dietary aspect of it, but the second big part of it is the fasting. And man, when you look at our country, America today, and we're the sickest, fattest nation in human history, a big part of that, to me, is the fact that almost nobody spends time not eating, you know? And the scenes also have something called the seven pillars of cosmotherapy. It's the pillar of air. Air is the most essential element for the human being to consume. Water, sunlight, we need sunlight for our nervous system and brain to function. Earth element, which is the foods we eat. And then you have movement

is number five. The body's meant to move because everything in the universe vibrates and moves. And then the sixth pillar is fasting or regeneration. And they believe that just as it's important to eat healthy foods, it's just as important to not eat. Because then you, give, Jesus would say you give the angels of the earthly mother the space to cleanse out your body, to replace old cells with new and et cetera. And so they basically practiced intermittent fasting every day and every Sabbath, of course, a 24 hour fast. And that was the second hardest part of the dietary change for me was doing so much fasting. I had done a lot of fasting before, but never on an everyday kind of basis. But after a little while, some really cool things start happening.

Number one, your stomach shrinks. So your appetite goes way down. So you're just not as hungry. And with less digestion and hunger comes more energy. So you're way more alert, brain clarity. You need to sleep less as well, which is also nice. You can get an extra hour a day of being able to work and stuff. You can be very productive. But the hardest part of the diet is when Jesus teaches to, funnily enough, chew your food well. That to me, dude, was the hardest. has been the hardest part of the diet, as he says, chew your food until it's essentially liquid, because then you're helping your digestion, your digestive tract, to break down the food. And just like fasting, there's another huge problem with the modern American diet is everyone's just woofing down food, five or six bites, swallow, pile the next bite in. And it's like the first active digestion begins here in the way you chew your food and your saliva breaks down the food. So your mouth needs a solid like minute or two with that bite of food to break it down before it sends it into the gut. So we're basically making our gut do all this work.

And then we wonder why we have so many diseases, so much bloating especially. You see people today, almost everyone's bellies are distended, bloated, inflated. And it's because we're making our digestive system do way more work than it was meant to do. So the fasting, chewing your food, you know, like 30 times probably. And then following the, what foods to eat, what foods not to eat. Jesus says things like, don't eat foods that come from far away lands

because actually Indians are very big on this as well. In Ayurveda, Indians will not eat food that is sat out for longer than like a day because they believe it's losing its prana. So what's the point of eating it? Jesus basically says the same thing. Eat foods that are locally grown because your earthly mother,

knows the foods you need and she provides them in your environment. So it's very much like a really relying on the earth to take care of you. And going back to your question about the initiatory phase, we know that Jesus did a 40-day probably dry fast in the wilderness. And that was, from what most scholars can tell, probably the highest and final initiation ritual to become a teacher of righteousness, to become a teacher of righteousness, to become a one who is revered as a master and can pass down the ascene way, you had to go through this kind of trial by fire where they would make you prove that you really do commune with the angels because nobody is going to survive 40 days in the Qumran desert without food or water, unless

you have the power of the angels working in you. And that's what Jesus does and is tempted by the devil and all of that. So you even see Jesus in that passage performing that ascene ritual right of initiation, which is all about, let's see if you've been practicing this stuff, if you've been fasting, if you've been depending on the angels, because there's no way you'll be able to make it through this unless you have. So you said essentially they teach to not eat more than two times a day, which is the fasting part, right? Yeah. So eating no more than two meals a day, never eating until fullness. So it's essentially like leading one third room. The one third rule, yeah fasting completely on sunday so no food at all yeah on the sabbath eating luckily so food's not coming from afar

you know and eating with the seasons not mixing many foods you know so keeping it simple which you know really all of this modern science proves with food combinations and the power of fasting and all of it you know makes sense and i love not just for my own confirmation bias but to see when i read a text that talks about what i found to be true studying arabeta or something and how i personally lived the past seven eight years, essentially eating one or two meals a day and not eating meat. And like a lot of these things that I found just feel the best for my body. And then you hear this ancient text talking about the way that is going to be most pronically charging for you and everything was incredible. And then a couple of the things. So, you know, obviously milk back then versus now is completely

different in terms of even so much of the cows. I feel like that you could be, you know, getting raw milk from oftentimes are passed down through animal agriculture that have been genetically modified and you know probably 98 plus percent of where people get milk or animal derived products are coming from that system that is like just horrendous I think we can all agree on that so that's just an interesting distinction there same similar thing with the eggs I did want to ask you about fish though because it sounds like there's quite a few different parts throughout the Bible where it's talking, you know, talks about Jesus eating fish or, you know, creating fish for other people to eat. Yeah. So just any thoughts there? Because I could,

you know, I could just hear that critic. Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, I've thought about that a lot. And I think that fish are a really good, perhaps medium between somebody who's been eating meat and maybe isn't fully ready or trusting that their body can thrive without meat to just only eat fish for a time and see if that transition works for you. The passage is in the Bible. There's really just one passage, which is the passage where Jesus has resurrected already. And I believe Peter, James, and John see Jesus cooking fish by a fire and they walk over to him. And that's where Jesus says to Peter, like, do you love me? Feed my lambs and all that. And so that's most likely a fable written by, so Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are almost searching.

written by Paul's later apostles. They were written, you know, up to 100 AD, 120 AD. I think the earliest is Mark at like 70 AD. So these were clearly disciples of Paul that were trying to kind of rewrite the original gospels to confine to confide to Paul's version of the gospel. So I don't put a lot of credit in those stories because, I mean, I don't even know if Jesus did physically resurrect from the dead. I can go either way on it, but I don't know for sure. sure, because I wasn't there. So I wouldn't just use that one passage that may have very well been written, you know, way after Jesus's death to be evidence that Jesus ate fish. I would look more to the Aseans, which we know were Jesus's roots and what they taught. And they did teach not to eat

fish either. But again, it's like you got to go in stages sometimes. It's not always great to just jump to an extreme because you think you should. But understand the karma you're working through, right? If you've been eating meat your whole life, maybe you should try fish for a while. Start with the red headband. Start with the red head band before jumping to the white. Exactly. Start with the white belt before you go to the black belt. Yeah.

Okay, yeah, cool. And then obviously everything from digestion in terms of what we understand with the slow eating and the chewing of the food. And obviously digestion starts with the eyes and breathing deeply while you eat. So how have you felt personally just like following it over the past few months? man, just so many benefits I could go on about, but mostly it's the not eating as much, not being as hungry. Interestingly enough, I haven't lost weight. I've maybe lost a pound or two. I was like fairly lean before starting it, but I think the fear is if I fast a lot, I'm going to lose muscle mass.

I actually did a four-day water fast in the last three months as well and didn't lose any weight from that. So all I've, all I've been able to tell in terms of my physical composition and my wife, tells me this almost every day. She's like, you look so skinny now, you look so lean, but I still weigh the same, which to me means my body has eliminated more of the body fat that I was carrying, but preserve the muscle mass. And maybe that's just me. I can't say everybody will have that experience. But if someone listening to this, which there definitely will be, is afraid of like, I'll lose my muscle. If I stop eating meat, you definitely won't. If as long as you eat enough protein for your body, it doesn't really matter what source you're getting it from. If you're getting the essential amino acids, the nine essential amino acids,

your body is going to have no problem holding onto your muscle. And so I've felt leaner, number one, a lot more energy and less sleep. So like I'm sleeping less and feel more energized, which has been great. And skin health has improved quite a bit, not just in terms of like the skin expelling toxins, but the actual like vibrancy of my skin. You're glowing, dude. The, The glow, the Jesus glow, right? So I could go on and on more benefits like that. But when you fast, you know, all the energy your body would use to digest, which digestion is the most energy expensive process in the body. All that extra energy gets used for cellular regeneration, mental clarity, brain detoxification.

In fact, the only reason we have to sleep, according to a lot of science, cutting it, science right now is that our brain has to detox. And so we have to go into a sleeping state where the folds of our brain kind of gently open and cerebral spinal fluid will sweep back and forth and remove oxidation, toxins and things like that for radicals. And so when you're fasting, your brain is doing more of that while you're fasting so that you need less sleep. So if the idea of sleeping less and feeling more energized sounds great, regular fasting will definitely do that for you. And without eating processed foods, I definitely agree with you that if you're going to drink raw milk, make sure it's from a local farm where you know they don't treat their cows with any

kind of hormones. I've talked to all my farmers at my market to ask them like, you know, like, what do you treat your cows with? And they're like nothing, totally organic. And same with eggs. Make sure your eggs are free range, no hormones. The chickens need to be living happy lives. Like any deviation from natural law creates some kind of consequence. So if you're eating, eating eggs from chickens that are cooped up in factory farms, there's some negative karma to that, right? So it's really a karma-free diet if it's nothing else. I've found because there's many different ways to look at food and one, it's just nutritional composition or how many calories it is. I think in this Western kind of reductionistic Newtonian way of looking at it and

just breaking it down to see what the body needs is it's not without utility. Like there's obviously a lot of validity in looking at food that way. But also, I found too that the body requires different things when who you are being changes. You know, like the vibration of who you are as you carry yourself through the world. As you deepen in your sad and other meditation practices and you naturally feel this vibrancy, the attachments and emotional, you know, grabbing for certain foods to cope. And like a lot of these things fall away. And I found like, and I've seen this in many people as well as they deepen in their meditation

practices or they have experiences with Kundalini. meat will just look less attractive to them and the body will stop craving it as much. And it makes sense to me that energetically you kind of invite more life in, you know, what foods are alive. And of course, there's the whole side of things with, you know, with how agriculture is and monocrops are kind of, you know, happening today. There is the death of certain animals that happen with mass, you know, growing of certain crops. And there's, you know, it's tough in the modern society we live to have a completely karma-free diet unless you have your own garden and you know you're doing it all that way that's the only way which is the goal i think yeah i kind of had this

underlying intention or like belief that everybody who listens to this podcast is like one day saving up to like all go live on a huge farm together like bro i think that's exactly what we should do yeah for sure yeah something like that but yeah as you like energetically purify yourself and it just makes sense to me that you met you'd become a match to certain foods that have that vibrancy as well so I think it's important to invite that lens on food as well as the pronic substance as well. There's something else that the Ascines taught about the things we consume that gets into addiction and craving is that when you put destructive substances into the body, they go all the way into the cellular level, right? The mitochondrial level. And so if you eat junk food, drink alcohol, nicotine, things like that, your body's always going to crave those substances because you've infused them at the same.

cellular level. And so the reason that fasting is so cleansing for the body is that it allows, again, the body to go into autophagy and start to regenerate and cleanse out, detox those substances so that you can do like somebody who's addicted to something could do a three-day or even a seven-day extended water fast. And they would come out of that being almost essentially or completely not addicted to their former addictions. The former foods they ate or the substances they're we're addicted to. And I think those of us listening who have been walking a spiritual path and have really purified our diet over the years, we all can relate to this. I used to crave Taco Bell, you know, just seeing a cheesy gordita crunch. You know, it's, I want it so bad. And it's,

to me now, it's like eating vomit or something. Like, I can't imagine eating that stuff. No cell in my body wants that, but like bell peppers, blackberries, apples, like, that's what I crave. But the cravings are very different because you have negatively polarized energy and food, which gives you that endless need for satisfaction, that lust for the pleasure you're going to get. But positively polarized energy and food doesn't give you that same kind of, you know, nobody lusts for a bell pepper. But it's kind of this nice pleasure. It's enjoyable. It's light.

It feels good. It feels clean. And so we want those things, but not in a way that produces suffering. So it's not only a karma-free diet, but a suffering-free diet because it eliminates cravings. You will not crave food anymore, but you'll feel hungry. And as Jesus says, never eat unless the angel of appetite calls to you. It's another rule of the Jesus diet. Your body will tell you when you need food.

You don't have to let your cravings run you anymore. One teaching I love in the yogic system is Pratihara within the eight limbs of yoga, which is like the sense withdrawal, right? And I feel like as you go without something, for example, if you go into a darkness retreat and you have no sight or you don't speak and you go on a silence retreat or you go without food for a certain amount of time, you come into deeper appreciation and right relationship for that thing and how to engage with it when you come back. Because we go into these habitual kind of slumbers in our relationship to food.

We just kind of do what's comforting and what we might lust after. And I think it's really important to have those periods where, you restrict from it so you can have some distance from it and you come into right relationship with it that goes for not just what we eat but like how we operate with social media how we how we engage with certain relationships and our work and business in the world like if we're always in it then we kind of lose sight from where we're going so yeah you fast from everything really yeah yeah it's important okay great so yeah uh i think we kind of touch a little bit a good amount through the through the jesus diet as you call it and how they might have ate, which is, you know, part of the purpose is like

the purification within this vessel so that you can make space for the temple of God to essentially come within you. So we've spent a good amount of this podcast in the historical context of Jesus being in a scene and how they lived. And now I just want to keep diving into some of the wisdom of how they lived, how it's applicable to our listeners. And so share with us a little bit about like the daily prayer process because I know also as you've been following the diet, you've been doing your morning and evening prayers. And we'll kind of go into, you know, the angel of wisdom. And I would love to, you know, hear a little bit more of that.

Yeah. This is the most beautiful aspect of the Aseen way to me is the communions with the angels. And it really is the crux of the Aseen way. Interestingly, in Philo's writings, he mentions at one point as well that when he talks about the Aene's rituals, the way they lived. and he says that they had an important prayer ritual in the morning and in the evening. He doesn't say communion with the angels, but he says an important prayer ritual. And then he says they're also known for angel worship or I think it's sometimes called angiology,

study of angels. So this was something that was very misunderstood by Orthodox Jews and surrounding nations that, oh, those ascenes, although those kukes who worship angels, right? or they're those new age people who worship the earth right and that's why they tried to keep the knowledge sacred and secret because people would misunderstand it and take them to be something that they weren't and so the communion with the angels to me doing it every morning and evening it's my favorite part of the day morning and evening when i wake up i can't wait to get to my meditation cushion and just do my morning communion because you do really start to establish a thread a bridge

a connection with that power. And you start to experience the sacredness of it. A few mornings ago, I was doing the, it was last Thursday. The Angel of Water is every Thursday morning. And I actually had my water with me. And I had this thought to do this. And I held the water and sort of charged it with the prayer. And it's Angel of Water, Enter my blood and fill my whole body with the water of life.

And I said it. I really connected to it and to the element of water. and then I drank the water and you feel the cold water going down your throat and into your belly and I don't know where I just got hit with this wave of emotions and just had this beautiful release of like crying

and laughter because I felt like I was connecting to a sentient consciousness, an entity that has been supporting me my whole life my whole body's made out of it and I've overlooked it and taken it for granted. So those are the ways that if you practice this

you'll start to experience the of it pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah. So each day of the week, essentially, is attributed or connected to one of the angels as well. Yeah, they have it very strict each day. Starting with the Sabbath,

which for Jews was Friday evening, the Sabbath would start. And so that's the Heavenly Father. Which day are you treating as the Sabbath? Sunday. Sunday, yeah. Back to my Christian heritage. We screwed it all up.

I don't think it totally matters, to be honest, like what day you say is the Sabbath. It's just like every seven days. choose one of them to consecrate to God and abstain from eating and the needs of the body and go inward. You know, that's the idea. But I'm going to read you really quick, the angel of wisdom, the way Jesus describes the angel in the Ascene gospel, because, I mean, this is a 2,000-year-old text and translated from Hebrew to English, but it's very beautifully written. And you can see the intelligence and the poetic beauty that these people, wrote about their their spiritual path with, they very much had a balance of the masculine and the

feminine, that it wasn't just this like cerebral discipline, but it was also a heartfelt path of beauty. And so for the angel of wisdom, the mantra is, angel of wisdom, descend on me and fill with wisdom all my thoughts. And Jesus says, know, oh, sons of light, that your thoughts are as powerful as the bolt of lightning that stabs through the storm and splits asunder the mighty tree. It was for this that you have waited seven years to learn how to speak with the angels, for you know not the power of your thoughts. Use then, wisdom, and all you think and say and do, for I tell you truly, that which is done without wisdom is as a riderless horse,

mouth foaming and eyes wild, running crazed into a yawning chasm. But when the angel of wisdom governs your deeds, then is the path to the unknown realms established, and order and harmony govern your lives. So powerful. So you read that, and Jesus gives you the picture there of why this power, this force called wisdom or whatever it is,

is important for you, and then gives you the actual, almost visualization of how to connect with it. So really, the path is mostly laid out for you in the ASEAN gospel, if you just read the communions as they're written, and just kind of take it as a meditation. I think it's the consistency that starts to build the progress and results very quickly,

is if you really do this in a disciplined way, you know, these are the powers that sustain me. These are the powers I'm created out of. I might as well have a relationship with them. That was the way that they believed true spirituality is embodied, is not just by confessing something or doing a ritual for the sake of a ritual. but it needs to be an alive, real living truth for you that actually demonstrates itself in your life. And they believe that one of the first ways it would demonstrate is in physical health and not only your own physical health, but the ability to transmit physical health to others through the laying on of hands. And so the ascines were very big on physical laying on of hands for healing.

And again, what do we see Jesus doing? All in the Gospels. Yeah, just that. Physical, on-hand healing. Yep. It all just rings so true to me. And I think that's like ultimately a pot can be a powerful barometer as intuitively feeling the truth of it as well as so much of this. It doesn't require any superstitious belief in some sort of omnipotent creator that has, is watching you while you sleep or miscontrolling you, you know, in your life or, you know, any, any dogmatic idea of.

Cosmic Santa Claus. Yeah. It's like live healthy. like treat your body as a temple and it will act as so you know and it's really beautiful because just by treating your body with that reverence and going on this path of purification um like so much of these forces and i really believe this intelligent universe really starts to act with us and as we start to go on that path but it's this process from in many ways going from a slumber of unconsciousness and compulsion to conscious choice yeah and and so

So this is yet another beautiful path, as there are many, to be able to kind of realize that. Yeah. You know, if I could say one thing to summarize not only this whole conversation, but the path of the Aseans, it's that understanding God as law, you know, eternal divine law. That was very much how the Aesines saw God. And in the second gospel, they have their own version of the gospel of John. and in the Bible if you read it, it'll say in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, speaking of Jesus. But that has, that's a version that was changed because again, the religious version is to worship the scriptures.

As if the Torah, the Bible, this is God speaking to us. And only God can be found here. Because if you can get people to outsource all their power to a book, you can control those. people very easily. If you tell them all truth is within them, you can't control them. So that's the method that the church has used for thousands of years. But even Jesus said in the Bible, you guys keep searching the scriptures because you think in them you have life. But those scriptures testify of me and you don't even recognize me. So it's this idea that it's not, the law is not in a book, but it's in us. And so in the Ascene's book of John, gospel of John, it says,

in the beginning was the law and the law was God and the law was with God and the law became flesh and dwelt among us. So it's again this idea that the perfect embodiment of God's law will be born amongst the Ascines at one point as living proof that hey this person was born as the perfect tree of life, you know, the perfect representation of those of union with the 14 angels. And so if I can say anything about what the Ascines really were trying to teach and deliver. It's that God is eternal law, unbreakable and immutable. And the degree to which you violate God's law, God's law must violate you in equal measure because God's law is balance. Everything in the universe is balance. It's already been created perfect. Like God already made the perfect universe. It's a flawless universe we live in,

but we don't experience perfection because we have wandered away from it. And so if we want to experience God's perfect universe, we have to get back to the perfect law system and abide by it. And that's the holy law, the everlasting agreement that the Jews broke when they began sacrificing animals and following these other ways is that you have the free will to do whatever you want. You know, sometimes you can distill the positive polarity and the negative polarity or service to other, service to self, you can say positive polarity is do no harm. That's the law.

Negative polarity is do what thou wilt. You've heard that? That's the Freemason Creed as well. It's that distinction, right? And so we left do no harm. And so we left God's law and we began getting sick and growing old and dying. And so the law is God. It's not that God created laws, but like God is law. And it is the law of love, the law of free will. And so when you learn to love the law of God, like that's the Aseen way. If anything is, it's to become the law of God such that you do no harm. You live with compassion. You live with forgiveness. You hold no one's sins or trespasses against them, knowing that the eternal law is already doing that. And what's another huge misunderstood thing about the Aseans is that they were an apocalyptic cult. A lot of scholars who don't study the Aseans philosophy like we've been discussing, but they just dig up the Dead Sea Scrolls. trace back to history, they think there were just some apocalyptic cult. And in a sense they were, they were apocalyptic in the sense that they definitely talked about the coming of the end of the age, which was also warped by Paul's gospel into this rapture message. They were talking about the end of the age of darkness of their time because they were

tapped in. They had deep spiritual awareness, right? They understood, man can only wander so far from natural law before shit hits the fan. and the Jews are at that point. I mean, they were pissing off the Romans. They were revolting against the Romans like crazy in those days. There was many, many Jewish revolts where they believed, we're God's chosen people and we're going to overthrow Rome

and take back our rightful place as the number one nation on earth. Very prideful. And they were getting smacked down every time because of it. There was the Babylonian captivity, the Egyptian captivity, and then the Roman captivity. They lived as slaves for thousands of years. and Jesus is trying to say to them, Hey guys, the reason y'all are slaves nonstop

is because you're violating God's laws. You're killing innocent animals thinking that God wants this and God's trying to show you through your karma. No, you're wandering away from the truth. So they believe that the laws of Moses got corrupted. There's a whole book on that in the Asean gospel that's fascinating. And so the idea of the Aesenes was to get away from that

and have their little contain of purity in the Dead Sea and let everything else crumble to ashes, which they knew it was going to. They said, we can feel, we can sense, we can see that Judaism is getting to that point where it's about to be wiped out. And boy, were they correct. Because in 70 AD, well, first they came for the ASEans. And then two years later, as we know in history, they sacked Jerusalem where Rome sent, it's in the entire armada, the full might of the Roman Empire came to Jerusalem. And And man, the Jews put up a very 300-esque stand where they, I mean, it's less than a million Jews in Jerusalem, hit out in their temple area and fought off wave after wave of the Romans. They were very inventive in their battle strategies.

They dug tunnels under the ground for like a month to then flank the Romans and kill them. So they were killing all these Roman waves of, you know, they had the artillery and all the big weapons and they couldn't get into the. into the Jerusalem to, to overthrow and burn everything down, it took them like, I think the better part of a year to finally sack Jerusalem. So, man, they put up a good fight. But at the end, exactly what Jesus prophesied happened. He said, I tell you truly, a day will come when most of you will still be alive, that not one stone will be left upon another here. And they didn't like him saying that, but probably because they all kind of sensed on a deep level that that was true as well, that you can't violate the laws of the universe and live in division with your fellow man.

I mean, they had no peace with the Romans. They were at constant war in enmity. And so the Aesians were trying to point that out and warn people for a long time. And because of that, they get a bad route that they were an apocalyptic cult. But really, they were just hyper aware of the day and age they lived in. To me, I feel into the society that we really cultivated and where we live that has more comfort and convenience than ever before. The shadow side of that is that it really pulls us away from the natural law. And living in harmony with this in so many ways.

And so it's really upon us to become the individual embodiment where it's in many ways harder to have that now when we're not living communities that are living in natural communion with natural law. And we have all these distractions and toxins around us. But even more so the worthwhile, our efforts need to be present to be able to embody this and to be the living representation of that light that permeates darkness, that's our presence, everywhere we go. And that to me feels like so much of what we've devoted our life to and helping propagate more and more the realization of this within us to live into proper harmony and right relationship and natural law,

as much as like all these angels describe what we can come into a proper relationship with. Then we unveiled the true light that we are. And then we go in our work in the world and we become that representation of God resurrected and Christ resurrected within us, that level of consciousness, that state of being that we were talking about earlier. And to me, that's a truly transformative thing that will move the needle in terms of all the issues that we see today, you know, which are vastly kind of rooted in this idea or belief of separation. And so it's all this is just a really beautiful reflection and also invitation for the audience and family that we're both cultivating here that are tuning into this episode to to really cultivate that sincerity on the devotion of the purification of yourself. So huge. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you remember how we opened the episode talking about why the universe has brought the Aseans back onto the mainstream, so to speak, at this time. it's because what you're saying, man, I think we're at a point not unlike where the Aseans were in the first century, where we can see that there is a kind of apocalypse coming. There's a kind of falling of the old world, collapsing of the old world happening due to our intense, extreme deviation from natural law where I don't think they obviously didn't even have the technology back then to be as deviated as we are. You know, we even our sidewalks and our streets are kind of like living symbols of our separation from earth, you know. We don't even touch the earth most people half the time. We're touching artificial barriers. We're eating poison. We're breathing poison. We're drinking poison. We're watching poison. We're listening to poison. And it's no wonder we're the sickest, fattest, unhealthiest nation on earth. It's that kind of universal sign that, again, there's no wrathful deity doing it, right? The karma means your own doing. It means, again, when you violate natural law, the law must violate you in equal measure.

Number one, to show you that you're wandering away, like if it didn't violate you in return, you wouldn't even know you were violating or moving away from natural law. So it's always meant to be a warning, but when you keep ignoring the warnings, the slap has to get a little harder each time, and pretty soon it's a death slap, right?

And you've got to reincarnate again and try over. And I feel like not just America, but, you know, the modern world and modern society at large is at that point where we're seeing, society collapsing before our eyes in many ways and probably will continue to see it for a while. And I think that's the reason the universe is bringing the Ascenes back into the picture right now so we can learn from them and their path of how do we return to natural law. What is the best path?

What is the best way to be in harmony with the universe in God's creation? And I believe it's this path. I believe the Aesians had it mastered. And they, thank goodness, left their teachings for us to benefit from. and people like Edmund Bordeaux, Zekli, and the Dead Sea Scrolls who have found these texts to resurface them right in the hour of our greatest need. I don't think that's a coincidence. It's a powerful reminder and invitation for our audience too that in the society that we live, it's really more addition by subtraction and the fact that there's so much beauty in the simplicity

of following and living in natural harmony with law. So much. And there's this positive feedback loop that we kind of ride the momentum too as well. you start to feel better, you make better choices. Once you get better sleep, your will is stronger, and you make choices that are going to bring you more vital life force energy and your desire to share that with others and be of service. It all kind of compounds and builds onto this spiritual snowball down the mountain in a way.

And so, yeah, I really do believe that it's so much of not just what we do, but in today's age what we don't do and what we limit ourselves and what we try to just be very mindful in what we allow our, consciousness and those scars to pick up and where we place our attention and the toxins that we don't allow and so much of it is is in that part of it too um so yeah man there's just so much beauty and wisdom in the indians and i hope that this podcast i feel that this podcast and trust that it's who it's meant to and that this can be a this conversation can be but a doorway into people uh realizing the the power of this path but also

to embody it in their life. So yeah, man. Any other kind of areas of the Ascenes or, you know, in terms of how you've been following the path as well and in ways that you think would be impactful to resonate or share with the listeners? I mean, man, we could definitely keep going. There's so much there. And we only really covered kind of one of the four Gospels and all the teachings in there. But I would love to close us with an Aseen prayer if you're down for that.

Yeah. So this is a prayer that comes. from, it's in the Asean Book of Hymns. And if you read the Aene Gospel of Peace, Jesus quotes it a couple of times in other teachings. So as with even the Orthodox Judaism, when Jews would quote scripture, they would be like, you know, Isaiah 45 says, they would just say the scripture. One famous example is Jesus on the cross. This is another passage that gets misunderstood. Is Jesus is on the cross and he says, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? And people like, look, Jesus lost the faith. But it's actually a very famous Psalm, Psalm 22, where it's David writing this poem about when it feels like God has forsaken you, when everyone has turned against you, your heart cries out, why have you forsaken me? But if you keep reading it, right after that, it says, but then the light of the Lord comes and rescues me from my transgressions, my suffering, and exalts me to the heavens, and I'm one with you and all this beautiful stuff. And so in those

days when you would, if you would quote, like a lot of times in debates or conversations, a Jewish rabbi or priest would quote like one line from a very famous passage. And all of the actual Jews listening in that time knew exactly what passage he's referring to and that he's kind of quoting that passage and what it means in the context of the passage. So it was a very famous classic way that Jews would exchange scripture in conversation is they would just quote it. Right. And so Jesus does that to this passage. a number of times in the Ascene Gospel of Peace. And it gives you,

it kind of gives away the fact that this was a central prayer for the Aseans. So it just feels like a fitting way to close our conversation. Love it. So it says, I have reached the inner vision. And through thy spirit in me,

I have heard thy wondrous secret. Through thy mystic insight, thou has caused a spring of knowledge, to well up within me. A fountain of power pouring forth living waters. A flood of love

and all embracing wisdom like the splendor of eternal light. Amen. Amen. Beautiful. Man, thank you so much. Your understanding and knowledge of the context of the historical proof

and Jesus being in a scene and also the internal devotion that you have to the path is just like so beautiful, so rare in this day and age to be able to steward and share this wisdom and knowledge as well in their way. So do endless thanks for for what you're doing and sharing the world and the evolution. And, you know, from all of the areas of study, you know, from your personal path starting out more as a pastor's kid to a pastor to the degrees and studying of the law of one. It's cool to see how truth overlaps. And, you know, in many different perspectives from different regions of the world

that are pointing at to the one law, you know? And, you know, I think, so I think that was just a powerful place to close. And, you know, I think it's important because at this time we were talking a little bit before on the phone about in many ways there is a resurgence of, I think, some people finding Christianity, but then there's this big exodus too.

And it's a shame to throw out the baby with the bathwater because of, you know, many churches that have their own corrupt kind of intentions or narratives. but the power of Yeshua is, I think, needed more in this day and age than ever. Yeah, it was Gandhi, I think, that said, I love your Christ, but not your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ. He also said, if it were not for Christians, I would have become a Christian. Yeah.

And it just speaks to that, you know, that feeling I talked about earlier of the internal conflict. I think every Christian does feel, but not all allow them to admit to themselves. because it can be scary to admit that something's off here. There's not an integrity with the message of Jesus in the actual practice of the Christian faith that needs to be there. And so the good news is for those who may be listening, who are questioning their religion, as I once did and really wrestling with those deep questions,

is that what you're feeling is the way of Jesus, the way of Christ is not in resonance, not in total resonance with mainstream Christianity. And so a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that there isn't a true way of Christ and they throw the baby out with the bathwater. And I saw many of my Christian friends do that, by the way. You know, F Jesus, F the Bible. It's all bullshit, man. I'm going to do my own thing now.

And you can do that if you want. But it's a bummer because there's so much gold to be rescued from the Christian faith. And really not even nothing to be erased necessarily, but everything to be exalted to a higher revelation of what it means. it's not that Christianity's not true. It's that it's actually way more true than even Christians realize there's much deeper symbolism in the crucifixion resurrection of Christ. What does it mean to be resurrected in Christ? There's so much gold there. And so the good news for people listening, if I can leave them with good news, is that there is a true way of Jesus. And it's the a, it's a, it's perfectly laid out in these texts and perfectly resonates, not even 80,

or 90%, but 100% with the person of Jesus we all know and love in the Gospels. We say there must be a true path of this man in the red letters, not including all the dogma that's been attached to it, but just what is the true way of Jesus, right? Followers of the way. What is the way? And I'm so grateful the universe brought the ascenes not only back on my radar, but bringing them back to the world's radar,

because it is the true way of Jesus, and I think that that's what everyone is really hungering for. The only thing I'll contribute to that is I think, you know, there's a wide range of individuals that are tuning into this episode right now in terms of their beliefs in the world and what they, you know, what they think about Christianity,

organized religion, and the truth of where all this stems from. And I would just invite, because there can be often this time, something that I experienced much more in my past as well, this sort of fracturedness of like really trying to solve life and figure out the answer of like what is the absolute truth and been there yeah this drove me to like one of the darkest periods of my life probably eight years ago yeah um when all of my friends were all kind of seekers in this way

we would like dive down these conspiratorial rabbit holes a lot of them i don't haven't really talked about this too much but a lot of them came you know all of them except me essentially went down to like these new age churches um sorry end times churches and got, you know, it was, it felt very fear-based at the time of like, if we don't believe this, you're going to burn in hell for eternity. Worst possible consequence. Yes, for all of time. And thankfully for this individual I met that kind of just like allowed me just to chill the F-out

and to like stop putting so much pressure on my soul because it felt like very fractured and felt very fearful. And if anything, you know, if anything this podcast is challenging, maybe somebody who has more fundamental kind of Christian beliefs. I just want to invite that patience of your path to not need to figure it all out right now but to put this conversation in alternative views in a bucket or a briefcase of possibilities

that you explore when your worldview doesn't really serve you anymore and to open it back up and to explore the softness, the gentleness and to stop putting so much existential weight on your soul. Yeah. Yeah, God doesn't need you to figure out the whole nature of the universe before you can be free.

freedom is a choice right now to be at peace with what is. It actually sounds like the friend you mentioned was like the angel of peace and disguise coming to you at your hour of need. I've been there, man. You know, the rabbit holes, the conspiracy theories can put you in a dark place. And many people in the truth movement and stuff today are in that dark place where they just believe that evil controls everything, owns everything. And that's not only not true, but totally opposite of the truth. This is God's universe. This is my father. there's world, there's nothing to fear. And when we operate from a frequency that is above those levels of consciousness, then we're not a karmic match to them anymore. Even the, I'm talking about the chem trails, the poisons in your food. Like, this is a part of the path of purification that the Aesenes taught and believed was that by living pure, not only externally with the foods we eat in the way we live, but internally, I keep my mind pure. I think loving thoughts. I think non-judgmental thoughts. When we purify the vessel, like Jesus said, clean the inside of the cup, and the outside will be clean. If your mind is clean, you'll notice you're eating good things,

you're fasting, you're praying more, you want to do these things. You're not forcing yourself to do them because your purity is now flowing out of you. And when we live from a vibration like that, we don't need to worry what the World Economic Forum's doing next and the chem trails and the poisons in our water because we're not a match to those things. The universe, will make sure we're guided in the right ways to avoid those traps and pitfalls. Because we're, again, we're not a match to that frequency. And something that science proves now is that a strong, coherent energy field always overtakes a weak incoherent energy field. And so the only thing we need to worry about is not what's happening in the world and what's coming down the pipe next.

But how do I make my own energy field strong and coherent, polarized, crystallized? That's the a seen path. And that's going to make anyone the most capable version of themselves to do anything as you want to serve others and become the change you wish to see and not just fight against that which you don't want to see, you know? So, you know, those that are healthy, vibrant, full of joy, peace, wisdom, love, and power are most capable and being leaders and stewarding the world they want to see into the world. And it's contagious. It is, yeah. Dude, thank you so much. Love you. If there's anything else you want to share before we close out, please do. And just where people can find you and your socials and all that is stay connected.

And I'm sure we'll run back another pod in the future. Epic, man. Well, thank you again for having me on. This was such a blast to be able to talk about my current passion topic with a good friend. So really appreciate that opportunity. You can find me everywhere, basically, with my name. So Instagram is just at Aaron Apkey, Aaronabee.com, YouTube.com slash Aaronapke. I make it easy. Amazing. Dude, much love. Appreciate you. Everybody who's been tuning into this episode, let us know your thoughts. You know, this is a community where I really do pay attention to the comments to other people's perspectives on and the conversations in these shows and your own personal path.

So your energy is very much so felt. Appreciate you very much. Until next time, be well.