Knowledge Fight - #100: January 6-7, 2016

Episode Date: November 6, 2017

Today, Dan and Jordan embark on a new investigation, trying to figure out exactly where Alex Jones became a cult member for Trump. The gents begin where their last investigation left off, and it appears that Alex has decided on a new attitude of 2016, namely abruptly pushing for the impeachment of Obama.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex June. That is, that is what we do. Indeed, it is.

Let me ask you a question, please do. All right. Can you put it in the form of two questions? All right. So, if you were about to be indicted. Were I? Were you about to be indicted? Let's bring it into the subjunctive. Would you appreciate it if the leading propagandist of our times, at least the craziest propagandist of our times?

Sure, sure. The most bizarrely effective. Right, exactly. Against all odds, Alex Jones, very effective. Would you like it if he was a huge fan of yours? No, it would probably be bad. Probably be a bad look. It wouldn't be good. Well, because it's sort of, you then have to analyze who else is he a big fan of, and then it starts to become like, uh-oh, uh-oh. That's really good analysis, and that suggests the answer to my next question.

What is that? Who knows more about Alex Jones between the two of us? This guy. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. That was the most successful opening bit we've ever done. I knew it at the same time. It was all very weird, like I backed you into a corner with a double question. Always.

So anyway, we like to drink novelty beverages today. We're on the Elysian Fields with a Space Dust IPA. If you'd like to sponsor us Elysian or whatever the beer company is here. Who cares? I feel very bad now not knowing what company this is. This is your first time drinking it. It is. It's tasty. Please, shoot us an email if you'd like to sponsor us.

We are drinking these because I have been sober for too long for unspecified reasons. I think you were fucked up yesterday. I was not fucked up. I was high yesterday. I wasn't drunk yesterday. Well, now we get into a discussion of what the definition of sober is. Look, I got to have both. Otherwise, one or the other doesn't work as well.

I'm not judging. So Jordan, today we're going to be going back into the past. We're going to begin a new investigation that will be one of many investigations because we were talking before the show and Alex Jones in the present really sucks. Yeah. It's too easy to see through his games, quite frankly. We just had the November 4th communist uprising. How did it go?

Went well. Did they uprise? Went well as we are. Are we communists now? Yep. They took most of the Eastern Seaboard. That was a very quiet coup that they just softened. Oh, man, man.

I didn't even notice like a pillow. This is smooth. Like we all knew the idea of like Alex is creating a possible scenario. And then when it doesn't happen, be like, ah, because we exposed it. It didn't happen. Yep. These games are being played over and over again. And then at the same time, there's all the sincerely nonsensical batshit stuff

about helicopters at the Las Vegas shooting. Sure. And what have you. And that's just, I mean, it's not that fun. No, we're still going to be talking about the present. But I want to, I want to take. I miss the 2015 investigation is what that's what you're saying. Yeah.

I miss you wish that Alex Jones would travel back in time. Maybe have sex with his mom. Maybe. Who knows? Maybe. But his old scientist buddy. Sure. Great guy.

And get on a train. Oh, that would be fun. That's back when America was prosperous. Absolutely. We used coal to power. At least did shrug on trains, my friend. Indeed. So I'm going to, I'm going to do, uh, we have a couple of time travel episodes

that, uh, very, uh, delightful policy wonks have suggested. Thanks. Policy wonks that are actually a little bit more difficult than, uh, I would like to admit, um, because they've just given. You've just admitted it, Dan. I've said, I would like to admit it's too late. I mean, you admitted it. I'm showing vulnerability here and that's why I attacked you.

The issue with, uh, psychologically, we're both great. I'm working on these time travel episodes, but they, these wonks have specified dates, but not years. So going through various years of a specific date and trying to figure out did something happen this year. Um, it's, it's a bit of work, but I'm working on them and we'll have something eventually. But for now I'm going to embark on, uh, explorations that I want

to figure out along the way. And today we're going to jump off on the investigation of we now know why Alex Jones joined team Trump. That's what I've heard. But how long did it take him to go from? I love Rand Paul, but I like the things that Trump is saying. All right. We got to support Trump to being, I will die for Trump.

Right. How long does that transformation take? And I suggest it's not going to take long. I think this investigation is going to be a very short investigation. It might be two episodes. Okay. All right. All right.

I think it happens in January of 2016. I think he becomes like a fully dedicated propaganda outlet for Trump real fucking quick. Um, but today we're going to be going over January 6th and 7th because in the new year, he has David Knight host a bit to nurse that hangover boo that, uh, that New Year's hangover. Uh, and so we jump in on January 6th. New Year's is his favorite holiday because he gets to dress like a Nazi.

Is that no Halloween? Oh shit. I just assume he dressed like so. He dresses like a Nazi for every holiday to be fair. You could dress like a Nazi anytime you want. Like Sandra Bullock. Alex Jones does spiritual come on now. Um, so we're going to get into this January 6th episode and one.

You know, sometimes I'm grateful. We don't have a lot of new listeners because that would sound very weird if you hadn't had a year worth of this episode of this podcast to go back through of the back and forth of Sandra Bullock's complicity with her ex-husband's activities. Um, so here I'm going to play a clip of Barack Obama speaking and oh my God. I can't wait to hear him speaking. This is a clip speaking about a recent shooting in January of 2016 less

excited to hear about him speak. Well, it's still a pretty succinct clip and I'm playing this clip that they play on info wars. So that's why there's some spooky music course. Oh my God, they're children, but it's important to hear the phrasing and the words that Obama uses because Alex complains about this clip for almost the entire January 6th episode. So here is former president Barack Obama until we have a Congress

that's in line with the majority of Americans. There are actions within my legal authority that we can take to help reduce gun violence to save more lives. So that is the clip. That's the scariest thing I have ever heard. It's a good thing that they put that music behind there. So I know to be afraid of it. Absolutely.

And the important thing to remember and I'm playing this upfront because it's going to come up pretty inner intermittently. The important thing to pull out of the phrasing that he uses is until there's a Congress that's in line with the majority of Americans. Right. Now keep that in mind and we will get back to it. On this on this episode, he gets into the globalists a bit. Here is good.

I haven't heard too much about the globalists that doesn't involve Trump recently. So I'm excited. It's true. Here's a little a little tidbit about the globalists and their plans vis-a-vis if they're being successful or on their own timetable. Is the tide turning? Yeah, of course.

It's always during all you collaborators all you that went along with this you're destroying your own future. You're bringing the United States of America into bondage and yourself in the bondage bondage is fun as long as it's practice such lazy cowards. So I hope you enjoy yourselves. I hope you're proud of yourselves. Now because Patriots for the last 50 years exposed this agenda and

held it back and slowed it down and the globalists admit their 15 years behind. When did they admit that all over the world? Oh, that makes sense because the military actually sees how really evil it is behind the scenes and even some people in federal agencies I would have never thought this 20 years ago. Sure. There's some of the most awake people and one of the wild cards.

I don't want to say ace in the hole. You would all be aces in the hole. You decide to do the right thing. So this this that is the least logical or intelligence sentence I've ever heard my entire. But you know at the end there what he said when he says do the right thing he means spread our articles and buy my shit. Yeah, that's kind of the subtext of it.

Right, but at the same time he's fulfilling a couple of his narratives one. The military is the most awake. They know everything. They're they're real good. That's largely because he gets a lot of calls from military people. Of course. And then beyond that the globalists are 15 years behind plan.

They have admitted it. Where nonsense. When did they admit that? Why would they admit that? Who would admit it? Who is the mouthpiece for the globalists admitting it now? Let me admit something. I'm 15 years behind on my life plan.

Hey, certainly. I'm 15 years behind on just general maturity. Yeah, absolutely. But the globalists. I played video games for 12 hours yesterday. I am exactly 15 years old. Yeah, I know, right? I just got a switch.

Seems like 12 hours is a soft day. Yeah, adults. But yeah, the very idea that they even in their their white papers or their they're like oh shit. We're 50 years even publish it seems cockamamie seems like complete nonsense. Do they have conferences? Like do they go to?

Do they go to like the Hilton? They get a conference. No, they're at Bilderberg. They're at Bilderberg. Yeah, but you know, I mean this just satisfies the other piece of his narrative that is like the reason that we're not in FEMA camps right now is because of me. I am stopping the globalist because of me and people like me.

Let's say Joseph McCarthy back in the day. Of course. You know, these are the people who slowed down the globalists plan. Right. You're welcome. You're like J Edgar Hoover. Right.

You're welcome. Great people. You're welcome. Huge fan of Woodrow Wilson. He really took down the globalists indeed. He was all white supremacy all the time baby. It seems like those things were on a concurrent path, but it's probably a coincidence.

I'm sure I was watching the coverage of the supposed Antifa riots on Saturday. Yes. How did it go? It didn't go great. They went Rob do hosted the first like two hours of it and that's when I turned it off. I'll watch an hour and a half adieu and then fuck it and he

needs to trim up his beard and that's me talking. Yeah, he needs a haircut and a beard trim and that's me saying that he looks like shit also suck it Rob do also. He's not good. You got taken down by Kathy Griffin and Dan Friesen also. He's not good at his job. It's just it was so boring. It was terrible.

They had Owen shroyer on the street. It was just a mess. Why do they do man on the street interviews? I don't know. I have to know how bad they are at it right there. It wasn't like he got owned by any kids this time right at the same time. It was just nothing.

It was just like it was background noise yet. No one wants to talk to you basically no one did and once he started talking to people like hey do you like Trump and they'd be like I don't want to talk to you but yeah all right and then just walked away which I mean I guess is the right thing to do. Don't harass. Yeah, that's very reasonable.

It's bad television but the thing I wanted to mention was I got I got to watch the live chat a little bit. Oh no lot and words flying course a lot of blame the Jews course in a whole lot of people posting 1488 which I don't know if you know about is that Nazis. I feel like that's not it's not see it's not see 14 because the 88 is the SS right now H H H okay and then the 14 is the 14 words we will protect yeah we will we will eradicate

everybody who is in way. It's not eradicate I mean that's the subtext but what it is is about preserving the future of our children yeah by eradicating everybody else right right or at least isolating it and making sure nobody in different races fuck each other. That's the soft neo Nazi that is a very interesting plan that let me give you reasons why. But that's the thing that's the thing is like I like that I

like that plan because that's like oh no no we're Nazis but we're humane Nazi right how could you well I mean Richard Spencer even talks about that like nonviolent call ethnic cleansing and stuff like that yeah man I want him to be violently ethnic cleanse though boy your soft yes position has gone out the window when it comes to Richard Spencer I don't think there's any soft yes well but look I don't care that's not that's not break that down too far lest you

advocate for someone's murder I don't advocate anybody's I agree what are you talking about I agree crazy under the laws of parody I'm sure this is at least somewhat legal spell parody. The other thing are it why okay like the NFL fair enough all about fairness so the thing I want to talk about though is whether or not Alex Jones is okay with it or cool with it. Nazis flock to him.

And he should know that there's a reason you know what I'm saying yeah like that that it's not really an accident like you know how Morris he has a large Hispanic fan base and people don't really know why like everyone's confused like not not sure why this is the case I think it's I think it's very obvious why is that because he he speaks a lot about emotional issues that are shared by a first or second generation immigrants in LA okay all right like those are

the same feelings like I totally get that's a reasonable enough I don't think that so I don't think that explains everything I think it does fine. That's a reasonable enough and that's why we need to build a wall around more sure to hold in his tears. That's a reasonable enough explanation for a sort of bizarre counterintuitive fan base right there is no explanation needed for why like if you have a Nazi fan base.

It's you you might be playing the not you are doing something right in order to get that fan base right and Alex should be aware of that which is interesting that Jeff Fox where they made a career of kind of making fun of Nazis is that real is that true now that we know what Redneck really means Oh boy. Communist neck exactly. He was out there with a teeth.

So trying to bring back the Bolsheviks yeah in his next clip if you just might be a czar in this next clip Alex we can see your advisor trying to murder you six times you just might be a czar if your advisor is spooky and has a giant penis so in this next clip we find that Alex at the beginning of 2016 has not lost his heart on for Russia over the new year he got drunk and it came out of that hangover still loves Russia got you there's no where to run pretty much the whole planet

some of the control of the private central banks that the last hundred years or so took over the planet via fraudulent digital National Reserve money they came up with so now he doesn't do a terrible job of diagnosing a problem yeah no I think he's right he's not right but you know stop right there he's correct calm down he's not right but he he does have a pretty decent point to make about the idea of you know centralized banking having a detrimental effect on especially third world

populations nailed it disenfranchised countries things like that you know it's no Jews involved I mean there's some Jews involved but not in a very Jew way why don't you hold I don't know if I like saying that I don't I don't like you saying I didn't like that period why don't you hold off on it's weird to talk about a blatantly antisemitic subject without having some like I just don't like it well it's it's tough because we're dealing with someone who has such veiled

and powerful under the surface antisemitism right and so using parody with him it often can sound and feel very uncomfortable I know I don't like it it's tough but I want you to hold your tongue about you know you really want me to not about that I don't care about that I mean about any like he has a point okay because it falls off the rails pretty quick okay and does involve some no stereotypical Jewish cars and they're militarily backed by the West and if a country

doesn't go along with the globalist they'll go hire communist or other organizations to overthrow the country they'll put them into total slavery for 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 years depending on the nation and then after that the public so broke back and trained they then collapse and then Rothschild banks take it over turned out that basically every oligarch in Russia turned out to be a Rothschild front the Rothschild sued two different newspapers a few years ago

saying it wasn't true and then it turned out the judge said I can't believe the Rothschilds came into court and lied to us like this this suit has proven the claims of the newspaper Morris Yeltsin all those people totally on the payroll of the Rothschilds that's not that's not starting all their people and so they start moving NATO and weapons and try to overthrow

the Russian country so there is that narrative that he's spitting here and it's it's a little bit problematic because I mean it does come from a kernel of truth there were members of the Rothschilds family that sued I believe it was the the daily mail for libel oh yeah well that seems reasonable anybody who's in the daily mail probably has standing to sue the daily mail right yeah I would say so they're a trash paper but in this case they did lose the suit and one of the

reasons is that libel especially in terms of politicians super hard is very difficult to prove and what what they had posted they had they had in the daily mail was that this Nathaniel Rothschild who is the it described in this independent article here as the scion of the banking dynasty and friend of seemingly everyone in the spheres of finance business and politics alright they had written that he was quote the puppet master to the Baron of hurdle pool and foyer

I'm having a great time so far hurdle pool that guy who the Baron his name is Mr. Mandelson and so the case they did they did lose this libel case right because they they were it was found that they were deeply involved with influencing Mr. Mandelson was that was a British politician that's why you shouldn't sue people when they're right right it's a bad idea it's it's one of those intimidation things that can go too far yeah and then you're like a shit yeah if we had a

functioning justice system I think Peter teal would have gotten his ass handed to him by Gawker yeah unfortunately we don't mm-hmm so the Nathaniel Rothschild sued over it the Daily Mail's account of his and Mr. Mandelson's trip to Russia in January of 2005 okay so Mr. Mandelson the Baron of foyer and whatever I can't remember the other place it's a delight just to hear you say Mr. Mandelson he is a labor politician in Britain and he has also recently said that he will work

every day around the clock to undermine Jeremy Corbyn so we can tell that he's probably more weight he's a labor politician yeah you know okay so the pro finance labor people are the pro corporate Democrats right right like here's the same thing neoliberal Corbyn is Corbyn is your Bernie Sanders except somehow he's kind of still for Brexit which is very weird it's a very strange thing I understand slightly where that comes from but I think it's I think it's I don't know

I don't I don't understand the intricacies of British politics as well as I'd like but I have heard a couple accounts of like arguments for Brexit then like I kind of get it I think it's probably clunky and will be much more negative just logistically oh I don't think it's going to happen no I don't think anybody thinks it's going to happen if you thought it was actually going to happen they would have to start building borders between Northern Ireland and Ireland that will be a

terrible blow to Alex's Patriot narrative yeah doesn't end up happening yeah because it's one of the cornerstones no everybody involved knows that it's a terrible idea the people campaigning for it knew it was a terrible idea they just wanted to get elected it's just like it's just like Republicans knew Trump was a bad idea but they're like fucking we already did it so why not fucking follow through with it I don't know will the people or some shit it's amazing to me what they will

hide underneath will of the people when they're lying to the people right really fascinating that you can lie so blatantly like like with the Republicans and like huge tax cuts to the corporate rich are going to help you out right and it's like it's the will of the people we can't go against them is like no you could just tell them the truth right you could just tell them the truth and they would and the people would be like no no we don't will that well it's the difference between

like if you want to take it into a medical perspective it's a difference between like consent and informed consent right you need to have when people are making a medical decision they have to be aware of the risks associated with it and like be offered the literature and stuff like that absolute and then once you have done that you have informed consent from a patient to make a decision right there should be some of that for voting right but I agree but the only problem

there is any time anybody tries to restrict voting we always get into racism it's very unfortunate yeah and actually I want to take that back because that I mean that even was this that was a tactic of yeah the racist always any time you try and restrict voting it's like education restrictions like that yeah so I want to go back to this this thing about the Rothschilds yes because they are the standard boogeyman of Alex Jones and his ilk as like the terrible big like up

above the politicians pulling the strings because the Rockefeller aren't really around anymore well David just died a couple years back maybe a year or so ago they just don't have the wealth and influence well but neither do the Rothschilds because it's been so many years right and generationally the wealth has been split up among a bunch of people and none of them wield the same power course like the Baron of Rothschild did a hundred years ago none of the Children of Henry Ford are ever going to

have no come anywhere near the power that he will and the same thing as you're even like the Waltons yeah or like the Walmart airs the Cronkies and stuff like right they have regionally or in small conclaves big influence right but in terms of like what they could have had during these like back in the days of Henry Ford right it's not even close to that like the Cronkies live in Columbia, Missouri they're one of the branches of the Walmart fortune and they create a whole

bunch of trouble in terms of paying athletes and stuff like that illegally course like weird under the table recruitment stuff that everybody's aware of and everybody should be like that whole argument is for another time but it should be legal athlete should be paid I agree but not that way yeah no of course but be that as it may they can do that shit and they could do is lobby the NCAA to make it legal but no no that they can affect like Columbia local politics and

stuff like that to a certain extent but they can't change like they can't send us to war like you could have a hundred years ago right so I'm going to read this this next paragraph and at the end of it it gets dicey for the present. Oh no Mr Rothschild claims he was subjected to sustained and unjustified attacks in the May 2010 article which portrayed him as a puppet master dangling his friend Lord Mandelson in front of the Russian oligarch Oleg Derapaska it to ease

the passage of colossal business deals do you recognize that name Oleg Derapaska boy it sounds Swedish so I'm going to assume he's Swedish no it's not Russian are you sure positive it could have been Middle Eastern he's he's Russian he's Russian right from Russia hmm do you know what I can't think of anything that Russia has done recently do you know what recently indicted gentlemen was very involved with Oleg Derapaska I'm still going back to Sweden is it a Swedish politician

because you got Mandelson in my brain. No he's British there are no Swedes in this story. Oleg Derapaska is the Russian oligarch that Paul Manafort offered to give briefings to and there are indications that there is a lot of financial debt between the two men of course so Alex bringing up this libel case about the Rothschilds is a very interesting window because the only Russian oligarch involved is a person who's involved with Trump's campaign manager yeah and the

situation with the Rothschilds is that the Rothschild Nathaniel Rothschild brought Lord Mandelson along to Russia right try and pretend that if we can get some business deals going Mandelson will be on your side in British politics right which is like you're is a good thing. I was accidentally like making a pattern I know accidentally I know it's a good thing for him. He doesn't read anything because he will discover that the complicated systems he's talking about right always

wind up pointing back to him being wrong totally. I mean if you just replace Mandelson with Manafort you have almost a parallel exact same situation exactly it's almost like there's kind of for these like Russian oligarchs and crazy super billionaires. It's almost like somebody wrote a playbook. It's almost like somebody we know wrote a playbook. It's almost like somebody who's been on Alex's fucking show wrote the playbook that is taught in military academies. Yep. Yeah.

It's weird. I don't think I don't think he's I don't think he brought the oligarch play we're over. I think that was written back in 1910 with the the pes dispensing. Yeah. If you were to try and make that kind of a claim about Alexander Dugan I would have to stop you. I would get sued for libel no because I buy the Daily Mail. Of course it's overestimate just because he is like super involved in a lot of fucked up stuff right and deeply involved in the stuff that we're

talking about. Right. It makes him sound like he's a big bad. Oh yeah. That's not the case. If he's going on Alex Jones's show he's not the he's not the final boss. No but he is a cancerous influence and couched in intellectualism and what have you to an extent that he is worth talking about but to pretend like it all goes back to Dugan. Yeah. I've seen some people on Twitter sort of making those sorts of arguments and it's it's just because he has come on guys. He has such a

strong longstanding history of anti liberalism anti American anti American American like all that stuff it makes it makes him very easy to focus on and I don't know anyway Alex bring up the Rothschild stuff there does not work in your favor. It's interesting. It's so interesting. He just doesn't understand. It's fascinating to see him talk about a global organization as being something that he hates so desperately and yet have no idea how a global organization would be such

a complicated system wherein even the bad guys are good sometimes and the good guys are bad sometimes because it's so many different interlocking parts where everybody's trying to play this longer game and you do this whole thing and so he has no concept of complicated systems. He only understands bad good like he doesn't get it. Now he's just incapable. Yeah. And it is a failing in terms of him being able to be a newsman. Right. Oh that's the other thing I wanted to talk

about about the the Antifa riots that I was watching the quote unquote right coverage of the fake Antifa riots right. So Owen Shroyer was out on the street at the Austin gathering of the resist fascism or whatever right and most of it was covering how there were more Trump fans there than the actual protesters and I don't because the protesters really kind of didn't know it was going to happen and the Trump people were like we've been listening in for worse. It's going to be an

uprising. We better get there and we got to be armed. Yeah exactly. But the other thing is a lot of it was Joe Biggs dancing around with pre-made signs and what have you like it. They're covering an Info Wars reporter fucking with quote unquote Antifa protesters optics are the story Dan right but it's so silly. It's like you can't if you want to be a journalist if you want to be doing journalism then don't go work for Info Wars. Well there's that but also if you are

Info Wars and you want to do that. Yeah don't become the story you're sending in at Rambo Biggs on Twitter right into the fray with pre-made signs and shit to be report on him resisting the Antifa. It's right. It's so stupid. I disagree even. No I know it's I know what you're I know your point and I agree with that but like from fuck you. No no I agree but like in the real world right. No I understand it's smart from their standpoint but if everyone understood how journalism

should work in unbiased external that sort of thing then it would be like this is embarrassing. You know he still kind of works for you. Right. Well but the the situation ended the fire room about pizza gate but we don't really know what the deal is there because you're pretending that didn't happen. So I would have happened right. Well he didn't do anything wrong. No because nothing happened exactly. I wish some jobs would like give me that kind of leeway.

Oh it's a good thing nobody got shot anyways you're going to take a day off right. We're going to give you one day almost killed somebody leave and then you're back to work. We all are in denial so you still have exactly. No I mean of course they don't want to do real journalism because that would be silly and hard. It's so hard to do. You have to call you have to check sources. You can't have to cultivate sources so they give you information down the road. You can't you

can't have a twenty six twenty seven year old dude with probably like a sports fitness degree like helming the whole thing exactly one degree. Yeah or hotel and restaurant management like it's it be weird. He does not have a journalism degree. I'll tell you that right really weird if Mike Cernovich had a black history degree. That would be very strange. African-American studies. I could see him having like a media studies or something like that degree. He's

really he's much better than Alex in terms of manipulating right or at least sort of like you could see it in the way he's pivoted. He did that. I'm pivoting away from Trump thing and then went on infowars the next day and now when he's on infowars he sells it as that's pushing back against Trump. Sure like he's he's like that. I don't agree. I don't believe him but that's still a much more cogent argument for your behavior than anything Alex has. Yeah. And so I think that

he's a little more savvy and probably will last longer. That's true. That's true. I mean almost nobody brings up that he was involved in Gamergate stuff and almost nobody brings up all the fucked up stuff. He who cares. We don't have an attention span. We don't have the reason that it's the reason that it is a good idea for your your dumb ass is like Joe Biggs to go be and insert themselves into the story is because if you're Alex Jones your entire fucking business is

built on a personality inserting himself into the story more or less everything. Yeah. So if you want that to continue that's why the Trump presidency works for exactly. It's a character inserting himself into the story is already into the craziest story you can get to. That's interesting. Yeah. So they have to cultivate the same kind of personality. It's not about the work. It's about the guy being entertaining. You're on to something there possible. So I apologize that

it's been almost half an hour since I played that clip of Obama. It is. Oh my God. I have not gotten to the him him bringing this up and here is Alex bringing up this clip and like I said I wanted to make a point of pointing out that what Obama actually said was we can't wait for Congress to get in line with the majority of Americans. Right. And so there are things Congress is shit. There are things that I can do within my legal authority to try and put us against the tide of gun

deaths and right unnecessary death. So here is Alex Jones covering that largely innocuous clip. Rand Paul came out slam the White House for saying that the president says Donald Trump's disqualified. Oh you're disqualified even this was also in the context of comments being disqualifying and that sort of thing. It wasn't like haha you stepped off base you're disqualified or I thought it had something to do with the New York Marathon. He wasn't allowed to run it. I don't think I

know. I know Trump is a huge marathoner right. I don't think he could pass the physical. Is there a physical anyway. Trump's rival Rand Paul came out and said that's very dangerous. Oh of course it is. Quote we can't wait for Congress to get in line with me. What's it called getting in line for a leader. When you quote Chilchescu literally said quote John shouldn't quote Hitler Joseph Stalin the island and Frank Daribon. Genghis Khan for all my walls. You may have to keep

going on the line here. Dusty Baker Dusty wrote. They write this stuff for him. Rolls collar to be naked better get in line with me. I'll sign any foreign treaty and keep it secret if I want. I'll open the border up if I want. I'll take your guns if I want. I'll persecute whistleblower media. So at this point he's getting a little bit too much into his Yosemite Sam voice. Yeah. And it does him a disservice here. Just listen to this. The most liberal members of the media exposing me for

torture and war. I'll sign the NDA to arrest you in the middle of the night and put you on a plane to fly into Romania to torture you to death because I'm black and so it's okay. Yikes. I like that your face didn't even move like you did your eyebrows didn't is we're at this point with Alex Jones that like that's incredibly offensive. Well I was starting to think about my wet white guilt and I was like I do think it's okay if you're black.

Parody like that. Look if a white dude did that shit I'd be all over but he's black. What are you gonna do that is not even close to true but like the like he's in that sufferin suck a tash kind of like that mode that it gets too good to him that he just like I'm gonna go for it goes all the way. I'm going off the edge of this thing like because he's black. Yeah. Holy shit. Those are the same people who insisted. No I didn't vote

for Obama because I don't like his economic policies right. It's not because he's black. No now he's allowed to do everything he wants because he's black and you guys let him do it because because he's black because you guys are a bunch of cucks but that's not why I know I like his he's gonna keep foreign treaty secret as that's a and that's a bad thing but if the military makes a treaty with Syria and Russia and Russia yeah with no one else knowing. No that's great. That's fine.

They're patriots. They're patriots totally. Of course totally. So this next clip Alex is doing some pot kettle action pot calling the kettle black kind of shit. Here we go. This is great. And we've got Obama. Hi Obama what people say is fake crying. Certainly looks fake to me up there mentioning this long list of shootings. As if each time it's a drumbeat and how much more will we put up with one of our graphics guys Zimmerman put together a satirical piece that supposedly

you know shows the teleprompter will roll that in front of the screen for TV viewers they get a full view of it. That has a bird's eye view of the teleprompter telling Obama when to cry at what point. So Alex you have brass ball brass fucking balls to certainly looks like fake I mean look if anybody knows what fake crying looks like it's definitely Alex right and I think that that is why he makes claims like that it's like I think right all the time yeah exactly like deep down

he's like humans don't have emotion exactly humans don't I know that if you're feet if you're looking like you feel something you're faking it because I do what is Obama trying to sell right does he have a mineral line what is going on does Obama have a mineral he's the president but he's trying to get on the B12 market dude if Obama sold brain force I'd be far more likely to give it a shot still not be interesting but that that to me is amazing and it's also the first of two

comedy pieces on this episode that we're not going to know no comedy pieces all it is is like they play Obama's press conference where he's very hardly speaking about these shootings and how we need to do a better job in our country and as we're recording this on Sunday there was just another one and just reinforces that I like I like how he's I like how he even said he said it like he's saying this like it's a drum beat saying how much are we going to put up with and it's

like yeah no you nailed it that is exactly what he's saying that's exactly what he's doing and that's the question that we are absolutely incapable of asking ourselves I think most of the country who are not beholden to the NRA and what have you or Alex's dumb shit that's the question we ask ourselves a lot like how much I mean you just turns out me turns out it's everything before the show that there was a shooting like a couple blocks away from our houses the other

day yeah I had no idea yeah that's that's how tuned out and like sort of like a I mean it's not even a local big news nope that's fucked up no fucked up Chicago yeah which is that and again we can talk about statistics always all day it's like Chicago has a lower shooting death rate than so many other cities per 100,000 yeah but at the same time we do live in a place where we have the second highest population or third highest population in the country yeah it's nonsense

anyway Alex thinks that Obama is faking crying oh that sounds right now let's enjoy this next clip which is sort of the chaser to that shot. You're in the break I am in just a state of grief morning but also explosive will resist and fight and to set my full will I think it's the will of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior against the enemy God please make me stronger please hear the words please give me the reach to help reach more people and

help others also be moved stand against this evil but those of us that love freedom are like high powered 700 horsepower cars. We'll get back to that metaphor but I also notice that he never says amen he prays a lot on air but never says amen weird is this the thing I mean you're supposed to say amen right I mean that's etiquette who gives a shit that's when you're like God doesn't know when you stop God needs an over and out

it's a telegram yeah Lord please give me the strength to fight stop Lord please let me a fucking fight for the Jesus Christ what a stupid fucking religion and ask ours we can blow an engine we can throw a rod we can get angry we can be mean to our family members you name it I mean I have been not really mean but super aggressive you don't have any more focus the last few days and it's because my instincts are clean my head screwed on straight and man I love I love America and I watched that

guy up there with I've got tears right now I don't want to have tears I was so angry I made myself and I'm angry because I'm so sad right it's if you watch the video is so fucking fake it's so how is that bad I have tears in my eyes I don't want to even though I don't want to have tears in my eyes is the most revealing sense nobody who's ever cried against their will has been like I'm doing this even though I don't want to do this I feel this so powerfully I can't I don't even

want to do this you know what to it's just fascinating to me the idea that he's fake crying because it is very fake it's in the middle of saying that Obama's tears are fake right and I'm not here to say that Obama really was crying I think from everything I can tell it seems like he was sincere and genuine right I don't know I don't know the man personally I haven't spent as much time studying him as I have Alex true I'm willing to believe his tears were real I'm not willing

to believe Alex's are course and based on that dichotomy the fact that he's like all right I'm trying to say the president is fake crying right I really need to amp this up that's exactly what I was thinking that's exactly what I was thinking as he was like this motherfucking Obama guy stepping into my game totally I am gonna try to cry motherfucking hard I will show you how you think you're gonna fake crime I'm Alex goddamn emmerich fucking Jones and Sandra Bullock

is a Nazi hold on anyways you know it's fascinating to me and it's just like it's so in line with what I've determined in terms of Alex's psychology right like the fact that he would fake cry while talking about Obama fake crying he has to it's that's Alex Jones absolutely that's him to a T now I have made a massive discovery what's that now it's a discovery that we kind of already knew so how can it be a massive discovery well it's it's it's something that we had

the sense of before okay but we didn't have as many concrete examples of it and this is that Alex Jones the key to Alex Jones is flattery right you can compromise him and corrupt him through flattery easily incredibly easily the same way we suspect that Trump can be compromised possibly or through his business right well there's Alex might be more on the up and up in terms of business but if anybody tells him you're awesome we love you he falls in line as we heard he talked to

high end Russians who told him that Putin loves the show and Putin listens all the time and one of you you can get high end mail order bride so I assume you know these are high and military Russians didn't marry them Russian intelligence I know I'm just kidding so what you need to know is at the beginning of 2016 Alex Jones scored an interview with Lewis Farrakhan that is now my favorite thing that you've ever said to me now we won't get to the entire interview on this episode

it's that good no because he hasn't aired it yet oh okay at the timeline that we're in okay he teases it for a good week and a half fucking teasing motherfucker you needed for the context of this he has screamed about Lewis Farrakhan and hates him and hates the nation of Islam and thinks that there are a bunch of race baiters course and they all that but naturally he gets to go talk to Lewis Farrakhan now listen to this clip the show transcends though all the lines all the

race garbage all of it doesn't sound like it and that's really what's so important about info wars and the responsibility we have disagree because it doesn't matter if you're Vladimir Putin you love him doesn't matter if you're a top general depending on the matter of your Lewis Farrakhan they listen to this show every day and every week Farrakhan people daily listeners Farrakhan listener every week you're like what does it matter Lewis Farrakhan listens to you Lewis Farrakhan

has changed a lot and he says that in the interview that's what we want to do we want to win folks we don't want to divide and conquer we want to come together and say no to what's happening by con let's go out to break now I'm going to come back with Obama just saying you're going to get in line people say well what's he going to do he's got a low approval rating how's he gonna do it above 50% it's the final chapter folks you know what comes next the dreaded false flag the

atrocity and the minute there is a building blown up mass shooting whatever you cannot wait you got to have cameras ready you got to have your phone ready you got to go and videotape everything and upload it and then we go over it all forensically but we've got when they run this false flag to stop it to expose it immediately stay with us that clip went on longer than I intended it to but I stay with us so the the narrative there is is soft for sure the idea of the false flag

stuff not good and like you pointed out like Obama's his approval rating was over 50% yep right now Trump is it sitting right around 30 36 37 and no one still bananas no one on the left is asserting that this church shooting in Texas was a false flag that Trump had organized or anything like that I I know that that's a little bit ugly to even put into words but the reason I want to do that is to mirror what other version of Alex would be like right and trying to look at

like what how ugly how gross any buddy else than Alex doing the things he does are it's it's unthinkable well it's unthinkable that anybody else would do this but the polar opposite to falsehood isn't a different type of falsehood it's fair it's truth yeah that's true like we're we're people who tell at least as as far as we are researched reality so we can talk about false flags like the Lusitania probably was was sunk as a false flag of Tonkin yeah absolutely all of these

things MK ultra is not a false flag but it is definitely something that existed right in the fucked up CIA right but we can also talk about how people having a lot of guns is a bad idea and it's fine if you have like I'm I'm very anti gun period but I get it if you hunt if you have a gun to protect your family I get it even for fun yeah I'm I'm into it my aunt has a gun that she just likes to take out to go to the shooting range and feel like she has a dick for an

hour well which is that might be misogynistic of you now okay well I think that's why most people have guns to feel like they have a bigger dick than you know I mean I don't know if guns or dicks I don't know if that's necessarily the case I'm a dick I think that even in recreational purposes having a gun is totally cool but at the same time it is a situation where you should there should be records I would prefer if nobody had a gun but that's not going to happen so at this

point I would prefer if nobody used a gun to murder large groups of people at one point would it be if everybody who hunted would went back to bow and arrow I mean it would be much more challenge at ass yeah it would be really like I mean if you kill something like an animal with a gun it's not really that impressive now you take one out with a bow that's way more impressive if you got one out with a knife you got that's the real shit right so alive killing that bore I watched

lost I know what it's all about it always comes back so you didn't feel that it always comes back to I didn't feel that great when he killed that polar bear with a gun no when lock went out there fucking took down that pig felt great yeah anyway the point is yes we we can we can walk a middle ground because the the reality of the world is the middle like we've already talked on this very episode about the idea that you know centralized banking interests are detrimental to the world

horrific but at the same time it's not that there some sort of globalist cabal that are that are doing it I mean they are but they're not like that's the that's the weird thing about central banks is that they all have certain tacit agreements that they don't necessarily talk about but there is always going to be a oh you guys did this well fuck yeah we can do that too right we're all going to do the same illegal shit no no no no now saying that and jumping to Alex's version

it's it's a big leap it's a big leap so whenever you whenever you get into the idea that there are global corporations and there are global banks that are interested in the profit margin interested in making as much money as they can right we can discuss that in terms of you know regulation should be their treaties between countries should be enforced or country should no longer exist that's a whole other thing that's a whole other that's a whole other that's a longer

conversation that one is far more unreasonable than the no guns conversation but but what just to get back to my point that the the distance between that the recognition that there are these international corporations that are out for the bottom line yeah and jumping to their Satanists and they want to steal your kids out of the backyard and they drink blood because there's adrenaline in it a little bit too far it's it's where you it's where you ruin a legitimate conversation

yeah it's like it look I don't remember who it was but one of the one of our listeners might have been in the chat room or sent me a message about how through the over sensationalization and through the fetishization and satanic panic aspects Alex Jones is doing a disservice to the idea of the reality of crimes against children absolutely because you're creating this false reality where people drink blood and there's there's there's these giant like demonic orgies and what have you

right that is not real and when you present it as what you're up against you're never going to get the the truth that there are horrible things that are done to children human trafficking is massive and you're never going to get to the bottom of that you're never going to solve that problem if you focus on this bizarre over amplified eyes wide shut kind of reality and it's it is it's it's what he does with the banking stuff to it's what he does with all of these problems and you've

equated it as an unsolvable problem more or less and that's that's another big yeah you have no power give me money yeah give me money and I'll take care of it yeah you're not going to fucking take care of although I did read an article which it's it's of the best type of scientific bullshit articles that you can read you know the the headline is insane and then you read the article and it's like now scientists have said this probably isn't true right but we are going to make this

huge and it was that young blood transfusions into the elderly is a good idea I've seen some of that and it may help Alzheimer's I've seen some articles about and it's like oh that's going to be so good for Alex to finally get a hold of because it's like now all old people are drinking young people's blood but this isn't this is not a transfusion liberals liberals not a transfusion you can't drink it that way why not because it doesn't go into your bloodstream then that's what

they want you to write the globalists don't put that out in the white papers look look they told you that their plan was 15 years behind that was a false flag to get old people to drink young people's blood okay this is all true it is it is interesting the that that sort of stuff in the same way that like I don't know the same way that oxygen bars were cool for a bit in the 90s you know like there are these things that's right there are these things that like have some

sort of like scientific intrigue and I certainly at this point I don't think the science is in about putting young blood in you or snot but it is interesting in that sense right also well if Kobe Bryant can go through a European blood transfusion treatments where they highly oxygenate his blood why not sure whatever I don't really give a shit let's move on I think you only like white basketball players no I love Kobe Bryant Kobe was one of my favorites when I was younger

although I love Rex Chapman not just as a basketball player but as a human get it get out there and solve that opioid crisis Rex you're doing the Lord's work so also fuck you man when I was young for no reason the New York Knicks were my favorite team because I loved like Anthony Mason he'd shave things on the side of his head I thought that was really cool and all the guys would slap his bald ass head see I thought it was I thought your favorite team would have been the Celtics

because they were the last team to integrate no also Charles Oakley was really cool because he was that like badass enforcer he just beat people up for no reason yep he was like that Bill Lambier type just fuck you I mean the Knicks original name was the Knickerbockers and we all know what that meant isn't a theater I have no idea that's a Nickelodeon I didn't have something to do with socks I feel like it was very sock important it might have been anyway let's move along on

this January 6th episode what Alex Jones does for most of the rest of the show after this point there are like maybe 15 instances of him saying that Obama said get in line with me yeah instead of getting line with the majority of the public opinion which again if you're going to say quote yeah you should quote right and he's acting as if Obama said get in line with me right and then plays the clip which I think is unwise as a propagandist not a good idea you should not play

the clip make people search it out because you know they're not going to course just say what you want to say and move along yeah so he does that like 10 times probably in the episode and I left out the other nine because I mean I could make a super cut of him being like get in line with me yeah but I don't have time which is an interesting thing for somebody like him to say considering he wants everyone to get in line with him exactly look I could make a super cut but I got I just got

a switch so I don't have time so for the rest of the episode get in line with Mario oh God so good so good Mario Odyssey is the best there are also shades of the Odyssey in it so great is that why it's called Mario Mario Odyssey I don't think so because there aren't like a bunch of suitors trying to get peach that would be awesome that would be amazing that would be awesome if you had boo and Bowser and like a piranha plant that's very that's very important into in Super Mario RPG

right is the Odyssey is yes how maybe I think you're just making that up anyway this the rest of this show Alex Jones is visited by a guy who believes three goes in lizards okay David Ike all right there we go David Ike makes a little comeback and it's a really long interview and it's not important but I just have a few clips so here's the first one where he's giving David Ike a little bit of an introduction and gets he gets a little off track. We've had

David Ike scheduled for months now and and he's a big guest and I like him he's he's a big open free thinker sure that's how I guess I'm glad he's coming on but but I am going to play this dictator clips he that he's referring just to that same Obama clip yeah we played dictator cups yeah he's gonna take your guns coming up briefly we need funds great we're under attack constantly which I'm not complaining about complain basically I'm getting stabbed politically all the time and

blood's pouring out stabbed politically so before he gets he gets through this ad it's a little bit I mean it's always a long ad yeah but before David Ike comes in he has to brag about his own place in the world a little bit and it always under attack it furthers this being being co-opted through flattery theory that I believe is the key I think that's the entire story of Alex Jones that if 20 years ago Bill Clinton had courted Alex that I would be entirely most

liberal he never would have listened to Larry Nichols it was although if Bill Clinton had courted him he would instead be a triangular center centrist Democrat and we all know how damaging that could be this podcast would still exist but it'd be very different you you and I would just switch shares that would really be the entire thing that's I'd be like an alternate reality mother fucking centrist piece of shit and you're like now hold on I'm like I can't believe I can't

believe this guy exists it'd be a struggle for about six months and then we both descend into similar insanity yeah but you know be fascinating though to like if they had done that's the story of our friendship it was a struggle for the first six months and then we descended into the same first six months we didn't even talk to each other no I know and it was it was made it was very weird because we the first time we met we were like oh I'm going to talk to you for the next

six hours and and then we didn't see each other for like six months that's low that's low anyway one day we'll do a how we met podcast I don't think that's a good idea if we're gonna have to get Larry Nichols on for that one oh let's have him on as a guest it just forced him to listen to us now that's the new game plan that's the new the new yeah the next time we call Larry Nichols we just talk over him no no no not even that we can we come up with like a couple things

like that like how we met like these these things that are of no interest to anyone and we have Larry Nichols on the phone for them that would be so amazing Larry Nichols no I know you're in Nicaragua how do you think Dan and I's friendship started so we were doing some comedy now now I think it's the way that most friendships dot now the Sinclair brothers had us I can't remember their names so here Alex is bragging and it is again indicative that if you just flatter him that's all

you need to do yeah I mean you know we've got mad drudge listening pretty much every day I mean told me listen every day I'm flattered we've got I know for a fact a lot of the Russian high command government people Vladimir Putin reported listens and likes the show I was told this years ago lies shouldn't be so critical of Putin about you know this and that you know he likes your show that I was like a right till I heard it from a bunch of high level Russians and now media

they have in Russia time of vaccines will kill you know cancer's way up because a glyphosate we're banning GMO it's a global warming's a global government carbon tax to destroy nation states and kill billions I mean it's not just that you know they're Alex Jones listeners they are tuning into the reality it makes sense to them and then they learn more and then they basically get outside the box it's very exciting so that that's damning in any way critical of Putin

right and then I was like I'm going to keep being critical of Putin until I found out he loves likes me right so I was like well clearly Putin's right course wow yeah that's dumb on does he realize how dummy is I don't think he knows what he's saying yeah that's probably true like is that that clip indicates that he's aware of the trajectory like he's aware of the fact that like I was critical of Putin right and then high and Russians told me not to because he loves because he loves

the show and then now all I do is talk about how the globalists want to take out Putin when I mean if you really look at the reality of it is especially as it relates to the oligarch situation right Alex's narrative is completely off in terms of that he didn't kick out oligarchs he he installed better ones for him right or the ones who are already there just he took some of their money right let them main to it's a mafia right that's like that's like if you argue so the did you see

the news about the Saudi prince yeah yeah right up right now if you want to if you pull yeah explain a little bit for the whole case because that that's so vague that is a very big thing so yeah so a one of the Saudi princes just had a huge shit ton of oligarchs arrested another prince and another prince his uncle yeah arrested for corruption charges and a bit of what appears to be a coup yeah exactly so if you're going to say like that's like saying Putin got rid of the oligarchs like

no he got rid of some oligarchs and he is keeping the ones that he likes no he bond the same way that this Saudi prince is getting rid of the oligarchs who he doesn't like and he's just going to install different ones putin bombed a bunch of apartment buildings in 1999 seized power kicked out oligarchs that wouldn't play ball played ball with the rest of them but did a massive crackdown on the media yeah and then started killing all of his detractors not all of them but a bunch of

them a lot of so like that I mean that track record is there and now it's can pretend that oh look you got to see both sides because he likes me right now let's fucking talk about the other bullshit who has time to listen to him every day I know I do a podcast about him every day and I don't listen to him every day like just putin have three fucking hours to listen to this bullshit every day horse nobody drudge doesn't listen to this every day at best at best putin has a guy he's hired

to listen to alex jones every day maybe only in case like he says something where we got to take him out yeah exactly like that or or like just got to get a jelly polonium dart to shoot at him or whatever moderate monitor him to make sure he doesn't go too far and then if he does all well and then it will be fine again right like he's he's he's not listening now monitoring possibly at best farmed out far about monitor yeah yeah so this this whole this whole idea that he had like

that people keep telling him we listen every day we love you all this stuff it's it's so influential right to him he's just he's drinking the Kool-aid right remind me what hours are does he does he run a show in Russia that's a good point that's a good point isn't it seems pretty a pretty simple math to do you know what I would also say is like I don't think the Internet is as free and Russia as it is here very much not so I'm not sure that they would have access

to his show and it's not slightly less free than the Internet and China yeah and I don't think that they like I don't think info wars airs terrestrially on radio in China oh you don't either either no I don't think so I don't know I think the guy who runs his Chicago station definitely has Matt do be a yeah Matt do be a definitely has a few Russian stations I told you this yesterday yeah true comedy in the the November 4th Antifa coverage Matt do be a the guy who hosts who owns a radio

station in the Chicago suburbs that airs Alex Jones and Alex and passes had him on the show and says like you know you're airing it in the third biggest city in America it the signal doesn't reach Chicago no it's just in the suburbs and whatever so he came on the November 4th broadcast with Rob do and it turns out that his signal was down the morning of November 4th and he wasn't on air yeah oh no Rob do was like this is probably sabotage because they know that you air info wars

of course they were probably trying to take it down no other explanation had to be a was like there was a big storm last night there's a bunch of other stuff they could it could be some sort of a coincidence I don't know there you know there's there's other stations I don't know and Rob do is like probably sabotage yeah that's like I was watching it like guys pre show pre show and interview get it together every late night show as a pre show interview those aren't improvised conversations

guys well and like even if you like Alex Jones what he has a boner for not having a teleprompter and all that I understand of course you want things to be natural in germane and we do the same thing but at the same time if you're going to have a guy calling in they're going to build a false narrative off right in the break talk to him and be like play along or or yeah I mean he's a radio station owner like you know you know you and I can go off teleprompter

because we have years of comedy improv experience behind us I don't have that much improv not improv but like comedy I just general freeze up be a be a heckler get it be a heckler freeze up that you freeze in no need for the scene anyways. What the point the point being he's just a guy you know what I like in it to I like in it to whenever like you're playing a softball game and there's a hit and as soon as the ball is in the air someone will yell plays at second or something like

that so everyone knows get the ball to second if you catch it okay you know that because you sometimes you forget where the runners are and in the commercial break Rob do just be like plays at second right this is what we're going right this is what we're going to suggest now you don't have to say you were sabotaged but we're going to suggest it also. I get it he runs info wars on his radio show yeah he syndicates it or never does not listen to info wars Rob do so he's not

going to jump in with your is really yeah he seems committed see now that's he's crazy he's hosted the fourth hour a couple times really yeah wow and he still doesn't know how to run with the narrative I feel like you should be able to jump in at that point those who can do those who can't teach or own radio stations yeah one of the two so anyway I told you this is an interview with David Ike and here is an unfortunate clip of David Ike saying what is talking about the globalists and what

they're doing but it actually in hindsight really applies to Alex Jones can I call him Dick van Ike from now on if you want to I feel good about that or well in global states in which you have 24 seven surveillance and that your freedoms are basically zero now to bring that in you can't just come out and say okay without a meeting this is what we're going to do you have to create in the public mind the reasons why you're doing it and because those reasons are not genuine you have

to make them up in other words you are bringing in your global fascist system by lying and lying and lying man I love that last part I love that you're bringing in a global fascist state by lying and lying and lying if you isolated that clip because he's using the second person and talking to Alex I 100% agree with it because that's where we're heading how do these guys these guys now he has to believe don't judge David I'm confused don't judge David I don't know his name

David Ike do you mean dick like they don't don't blame dick van Ike what's wrong with dick van Ike look I think he has he's beholden to anti-Semitic ideas and he certainly believes the protocols of the elders is I on is real you're not selling me on not blaming him he is a bit of an anti-Semite but I think he's mentally ill like okay in a way that Alex isn't his qualifications again he had a weird experience when he was in Peru I think and he was on a mountaintop and we got frozen

in place and had a bunch of things downloaded into him through the I just I just wanted to remind myself exactly why it is I can't blame him the reason that I say don't blame him as much is because I honestly think to a certain extent from the times I've heard him on info wars that he's like not thrilled to be there like not that he doesn't like Alex or anything like that but he's just like I'm on some other shit and fine I'll play along there is a global oppressive system and what

have you right but it's aliens right he's he's he doesn't want to jump into the Trump or whatever bullshit he wants to be like Raptors he it's it's unclear he's he's good with it in terms of the Trump stuff right as a as it disrupts the system right but he's not in the same vein as Alex and I look I don't think it's the difference between a crazy pundit and a propagandist Alex Jones is a propagandist because he's working towards a specific goal I think David Ike is a crazy

pundit because I think he's brain damaged but at the same time a lot of the stuff he says is really relevant a lot of the stuff that he says is it makes sense some of the points behind it in terms of self empowerment on this episode he talks about a lot about the idea of a shadow self and a real self and there's some like just self improvement ideas that he has they're like I'm cool with that so you're you're smart enough to dissuade like your argument for not blaming him

has something to do with like you disentangled he's just he's trying is that your argument for why I shouldn't blame him no you disentangle the parts of it that are clear like there's brain damage here yeah and some of the ideas are okay and pretty good right I believe that a lot of the stuff that he says that are that's real fucked up and negative especially the space lizards the protocols that sort of stuff not great I think a lot of that comes out of brain damage I think it's

much more clear when you look at him and and most thinking people can look at him and he's like he believes there are legit shape shifting space lizards and have you yeah it's much easier to look at him and be like I'm gonna fucking either not listen to you or discount those parts of you whereas like and he's not working towards a specific goal right then I guess self preservation no self aggrandizement no no no no no not for himself but for you he's like a motivational speaker

in many ways in terms of self actualization so you're fine with his nonsense not fine with his nonsense but you're fine with him as a human being so long as his nonsense comes from an altruistic place no is that what you're saying no because he I mean he's a con man in a lot of ways through through just the need because you need to have people throw you money and stuff when you're a crazy pundit talking about aliens yeah but at any point in his career he could have done what Alex has

done he could have settled down done a radio show and started selling weird supplements and probably made a fucking killing off it instead he's written a bunch of books and he's gone out and submitted to public scrutiny in a way that most people would not allow like he goes and does lectures and stuff like that where people mock him and attack him and just like you're a dumb dumb so you admire his chutzpah somewhat it's not it's not even just that it's that look I believe that Alex Jones

what motivates him in a large part does come from mental illness yeah and it comes from a place of like deprivation as a child feeling of it feelings of alienation certain sex placed those sorts of things yeah absolutely and for some reason David likes are less offensive to me I don't understand like I did not think we would launch into a I'm gonna defend David that's always my favorite you know what you know my favorite conversations are when you wind up defending something where

you're like I don't know if I want to do this I don't know why I'm doing this somehow I am doing no I do I do think I do I do believe so it's a matter of degree of mental illness then that is that what you're describing to me well and also like he's crazy enough to not be responsible for his action well no it's not even crazy enough to not be responsible for the actions what I think is this this might be weird but it's what popped into my head and I think I think it might be where

I draw the line okay Alex Jones with a little bit of self awareness and good decision-making could go to therapy and work through some of these issues I don't think David I could I think he has brain damage okay and I think that the brain damaged part of him is the part that is and maybe this is blue sky thinking on my part yeah rose colored glasses I think that the brain damage is the part that believes in the protocols of the elders of Zion the part that believes in

juice space lizards and what have you right and what I choose to believe and again I might be wrong yeah is that the other part the pretty empowering the pretty self actualizing motivational speaker part right is the part that could have been there all along but I also don't think that whatever he has going on therapy could ever help okay I believe Alex could be helped maybe not now but in the past at some point okay I think David like probably hit his head alright the

this is a huge conversation to have I got you realize how big you just you just opened this up to it you just open it okay so now we're getting into I mean like the first thing I thought whenever you were talking about brain damage and its extent to personal responsibility let's try and keep this conversation within like the next 15 I know I'm going to try but the first thought I had was fucking Aaron Hernandez and Chris Benoit you know what I'm saying which which is an

interesting conversation in as far as like how how much can you hold these guys responsible for brain damage which is clearly what was going on right like there's clearly brain damage like any NFL player yet the brain damage did end up murdering people exactly yeah like at a certain point it's really hard to hold any NFL player accountable for their actions simply because clearly your brain is damaged can I can I take a step back and sort of refine the argument please do I think once

you're legitimately harming other people my argument falls apart right because I don't I don't think that I'm speaking specifically in terms of espousing beliefs right as opposed to killing your family but you know like there's there's a slight difference there I agree at least in terms of intensity or valence right like there is a but see then you get into the then you get into the concept of what ultimately is more damaging like what is what is more damaging somebody with a

mental with brain damage like Chris Benoit or somebody with brain damage like Alex Jones who has influenced so many more people in such a larger negative way you're right you're right as opposed to a smaller more focused negative you know what destroys my argument because I'm just reflecting a tiny me no and the past the past of our podcast where we documented brain damage on Alex's right right this whole thing falls apart my I think that I get why you're sentimental about that's what

I hear it's not sentiment I hear sent it's not sentimentality okay what it is is I think that David Ike is less noxious I think that there is more that can be gained right from him then Alex for sure well that's I think if you listen to his lectures right there I have I've listened to a bunch of them and there's a bunch of nonsense right at the same time there's a bunch of stuff that's like well it's good but well that's like I mean that is also why we have a soft spot for the Penn

Dragons wife and Kerry Cassidy right right you know they're they're damaging they're hurtful but god damn it if they don't believe that they're good people and act like good people for the most part they just espouse such anti-semitic ideas you're right you're like I don't understand how to reconcile those two you know yeah I think I think in the end you're probably right I still want to hold on to whether it's right or wrong that David Ike is not nearly as bad as Alex and I on a on a

purely statistical level I agree with you but I also in terms of like I don't think that David Ike has a goal in mind that's nefarious right I think Alex does whether or not he believes it's nefarious or not like David Ike just wants you to fucking recognize that everything is bullshit he wants you to like wake up right the TV is brainwashing right and stuff like that and we're having a we're having a con versus Kierkegaard conversation is what we're having right now

gotcha more or less yeah anyway which is why it's riveting podcasting now let me say this it's appropriate that you and I have embarked on this conversation god damn it your transitions are amazing let's go because in this next clip Alex Jones is struggling with the fact that he agrees with David Ike on so much stuff because Alex knows that David Ike talks about space lizards all the time in one right and so this next clip is him just being like ah shit I agree with

David Ike him getting close to being like oh am I an idiot listen to this shit I mean it's like childhoods in I'm not saying it's aliens I'm not you saying it's interdimensional whatever probably I mean it's just so obvious it's out to destroy us it's anti-human archetype whatever it's evil aliens want to get us I mean you know I'm not saying that you're saying that the point is is that it doesn't matter so alright so he's just going back and forth like I'm not

saying you're saying that shit yeah okay I believe it's aliens but I believe it's human aliens and you're like to a to a less reasonable extent that is a facsimile of the conversation we just had yeah exactly exactly they just they have a they you got to give it to some sort of weird intuitive ethics conversation of like okay so long as we're talking about aliens I can have a reasonable conversation with you right right because that's what it really is with

them is like as long as we are taking it out of the real world where I don't have any emotional investment in or if I if I don't have a team you know if your team is pro human then you just start talking about reasonable shit as opposed to you know which is why which is why science fiction has has always had a an easier time of allegory you know and so many direct ones you know science fiction is predictive programming it's the dreams of a man will Shakespeare what

else would it be so that the show goes on day he has a long interview with David Ike and and to be clear most of it is not really all that worthwhile garbage it's not garbage it's fine it's just it is what it is it's David like but it's David like spot like putting out his positions and right trying to relate it to Trump yeah and it's just it's not that good so we move on now to January 7th the next day is a Thursday and he's moved on from his get in line with me misquoting and

now it's get in line with me not a quote and misquote yeah and so here is here is where he goes the next day it's Thursday 7th day of January 2016 if the speaker of the house will not move immediately to begin impeachment proceedings against Barack Hussein Obama and we must move to impeach the speaker of the house because he's aiding and abetting the enemy of this constitutional republic huge broadcast lined up for you today this is back on his main right guys of impeachment so a couple

no this was still Ryan this is Ryan how long has he been speaker of the house just like a year and a half I feel like he should be dead by now well here's the thing the only reason I know it's Paul Ryan is because in the narrative that we've been going over with Alex yeah Boehner was the speaker and Alex pretended that all of these patriot tea party types got ripped out and we got Ryan and he knows he's got a play ball he knows he knows where the power is right and now he's like

shit now he's the same guy yeah he's except dumber somehow younger and dumber Paul Ryan is somehow dumber than John Boehner isn't that such a disappointment to all of us Boehner kind of knows where the bread butter is yeah or as Alex does not but also Boehner doesn't fake cry he's just a wussy yeah whereas Alex in there too the thing I wanted to point out was the the impeachment zeitgeist is another one of his attempts to create like a catchphrase yeah like he's doing now with the

get tomorrow's news today today or get get next year's news today well he does all of it he does various time yeah yeah yeah but that was another attempt to the impeachment zeitgeist so that's not good no it's gonna never gonna catch on it's gonna cover a couple episodes this is another thing I wanted to make a super cut of but I didn't because it would be too difficult I bought a switch so okay all right I buy it I'm gonna play you this clip and

keep in mind that he says this eight times throughout the show okay 75 times Obama broke the law during his presidency and I'm going to go over this today no matter what happens and I was reading the 75 this morning and I had forgotten so many of the blatant caught red stinking handed crime I mean it is just over the top so from a constitutional scholar there is a that guy definitely committed all the crime there's a kit Daniels article I believe about Obama

75 crimes he committed well and 75 crimes Alex in that clip says I'm going to get to this no matter what he's he gets through all 75 do you think he even got to one I think he says one nope not even one man he should have gotten to one Anthony Gucci already supposed to do the fourth hour he calls in six or Rob do does it Alex Jones hands off the baton without ever talking about this article he says over and over again I'm gonna get to this article he's like we're gonna get

to this no matter what I'm gonna stay here if I have to the whole time never gets to even one no spectacular and in there he says like I was reading this he didn't fucking read it of course not no you read the headline so I was reading this I didn't even remember how many of these so blatant I didn't even remember them first of all because they did not happen second I did not read this article and third I'm Alex Jones get Daniels wanted me to pimp this article so I'm gonna I'm

gonna mention it a couple times if we can get clicks up does kick Daniels think he's Martin Luther is no the seventy five crimes thirty five theses did he paint them on the wall or something yeah might as well of yeah so I told you at the beginning of this episode that I watched the live stream of the January sorry November 4th and Tifa protests right whenever the communists took over indeed and there was a lot of 1488 there was a lot of Nazi Nazis messages a lot of kill the Jews

messages in the room and some of that you've got to account to trolls certainly I'm not gonna say that every single one of them was sincere but boy it was a lot of people it was a lot of people and let's listen to this next clip with that in our mind and man they are the most evil enemy by the global thousands and thousands of percentage points I mean Hitler what about him was a moral good person compared to these people and Hitler was super dark super evil now this

clip goes on but you could have picked so many different comparisons totally why'd you choose Hitler I don't know is it because you kind of like Hitler well like every time these guys choose Hitler it's always to make Hitler look better he also notice that he's also doing like I didn't I don't want to say this before the clip plays but I might as well he's doing a little bit of Hitler apology in this in this clip course I mean anytime the your rhetoric is like these people like Hitler

is great compared to them yeah it's generally softening or yeah I mean the name of the clip I have here is Alex is soft on Hitler just he's a soft no on Hitler but listen to this listen to this shit oh god also there's a ton of long pauses because you can see in his face like should I be saying Hitler's okay well you know sometimes like I was feeling it during that David like conversation is like I've launched into something I probably shouldn't have I don't know if I have the skills

right now to get through this there's a look on his face of like I know the point I'm trying to make but I is his live I don't know it's the journey not the destination and I do not know how I'm gonna get there I'm wandering and there's a lot of long pauses along the way like Odysseus but Hitler loved the UK loved it loved a few other Norse countries liked a group he associated with he had some love twisted for one group you know he loved his dog but enjoyed torturing

people to death he was horrible the globalist hate humanity as a whole where's long beyond Hitler beyond Hitler way beyond Hitler yeah Hitler again picked up eugenics technology out of England and the United States the eugenics system belief system good point eugenics social control pop eugenics the real eugenics he went far with it he was told implemented we back you we support you Rockefeller Foundation Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood all of them

nope hosted Nazi rallies hosted Ku Klux Klan rallies you can pull up pictures of Margaret Sanger hosting giant Nazi rallies with the German bond in America we've talked about that folks they endorsed him they say I'm that's his narrative Hitler was a false flag patsy yeah wow well I mean that's that's I mean we've gone over that even like that's his narrative that's his narrative the then globalist maybe the proto globalists can't we all just find one thing to agree on

not and that's that Hitler was bad apparently not there's unequivocally there's no we just all like from as a starting point for it maybe that's the issue with human beings is we can't even agree on how bad genocide is well that's the issue with his chat room I'll tell you that right now as someone who experienced it but no the thing is what he's talking about is he's conflating all sorts of things like with all sorts of like the Tavistock Institute versus the Tavistock

Clinic he gets all these things mixed up yeah but with the Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood stuff like you can find a picture of her in front of a clan rally and she went there and she talked and then she was like no thank you goodbye because her mission was about women's reproductive rights and she's like there are racist women they still need there's still women yeah they still need they still need health care and that is such a fucking crazy misrepresentation of like you

were saying through the clip yep there is truth to the idea that Hitler got a lot of ideas from America and the West yeah absolutely but then to take it to this is about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger right that's the dis that's the disingenuous leap right that's the that's the propaganda leap that Alex makes that's like that's what we talked about they get the beginning of the episodes like yeah like you went from a conversation that should be had that should be taught in

schools the idea that Hitler didn't act in a vacuum right the idea that he didn't come up with hating the Jews by himself no the ideas existed certainly for thousands of years yeah because of them because there are many exoduses through countries and the men and has really hold on what about the what about the Canaanites you try to show my people you know like grandpa was a man in a picture just all right did you know that I did know that why you talked about that turn fuck with

the men because I thought it would be funny man nights are good people sure but like it's the it's the it's it's this fascinating weird it's almost I was going to try and relate it somehow to the uncanny valley but that's not not going to work but like there is this this area where Alex is like he knows a good point and then makes it bad right there is just like that well and it goes back to stuff that I keep saying that you disagree with and and I might disagree with in other other

context but like there is the opportunity I see and I mean of course it never has happened and never will happen but like there's the constant opportunity to be the hero like he could have at any point been like I see a problem yeah and assessed it more intellectually actually read the articles that he talks about how could he but those sorts of things where he could have been like an actually good voice right and been like he could have shaped the skeptic conspiracy community I know

those are two different communities but like he could have shaped a lot of the perceptions that those people have in a much more healthy much more reasonable way right as opposed to the the race baiting the bigotry the anti liberal bashing that he does now doesn't make as much money and that shit gets you killed like I would have got him killed no it would not have made of the money I was I was thinking more specifically of like Margaret Sanger went and did talk to the

KKK women yeah not you know the men weren't they don't need on board yeah but but it is like that is an important thing totally with the the conversation that was always had during so many different elections is like would you have a diplomatic meeting with North Korea with no restrictions or whatever would you have a diplomatic meeting or fucking Fred Hampton a the I mean if you want to talk about Chicago the patron state of Chicago should be Fred Hampton yeah and his genius

was he went and talked to everybody he went and talked to white supremacist groups Fred Hampton black Panther leader yeah went and talked to white supremacist groups and you know what he talked about he talked about shit the same way that everybody would talk about shit and the point is that he would communicate with them in a way that they could understand they have a parlay that is a really important thing you know the old adage of like we don't make peace with our friends

we make peace with our enemies is very true and yet at the same time if you wanted to be a dick you could pull up a picture of Fred Hampton talking to white supremacists and be like look see this guy's a white supremacist totally and like there's no there's no win if you do that if people are so obsessed with fighting a war regardless of who it's against regardless of how many people die regardless of the loss of how it's fought exactly it's going to be something that you use against

them yeah totally which is why Kissinger should be killed again oh boy is he still alive he's alive kill him also there there's an appropriate analog in this like time frame of Alex January 2016 because he went and he talked to Lewis Farrakhan right and the entire time it's mostly just trying to score points I've listened to most of the interview so spoiler alert we will go over it but most of the stuff that Alex ends up playing is the stuff that is like that makes him look good and Trump

yeah he uses it as like a bolstering Trump thing right and and so like that's not legitimate conversation with the people who disagree with you of course that's trying to use them as a prop now I'm not here to defend Lewis Farrakhan either like I'm not I'm not he's no David Ike all right but you know you know I kind of know what you're saying all right anyway let's let's get on to this I'm a I'm a fan icon I'm a Farrakhan fan yeah he seems like a nice guy no I mean

in the same way that you know David Ike has a bunch of good points Lewis Farrakhan does too absolutely he espouses a lot of good self-reliance points a lot of self-empowerment yeah exactly what I was saying about David Ike white genocide I'm all for it soft on that but at the same time he is a crazy anti-semitic bigot yeah which is the same thing as David Ike is I know we're starting to track a theme also I it's I you know I was aware of it and I've said this so many times now it is really hard to get away

now from the knowledge that just about everything these crazy people believe eventually boils down to hating the Jews whether or not that is their primary motivation it's somewhere in there and they don't even they don't even necessarily always know that or they don't think it's important yeah they like I think that a lot of people particularly a lot of those folks who are probably in that chat room probably just think it's like duh yeah of course yeah you hate the Jews or Jews are evil Jesus

etc now not all Jews but it's most Jews yeah that sort of thing yeah I mean it but look at this look at this so David Ike is on the show and though I think he has some good points to make about self-actualization all right all right right so for life he is beholden to the protocols of the Elders of Zion and has a lot of anti-semitic beliefs he is a guest on Alex Jones's show now think about the two stunt interviews that Alex has done in the last gear of us covering him there's David Duke and Louis Farrakhan

right what are the two of them having common super against the Jews right interesting you know interesting I interesting I really wish the unabomber was still around because he would be an amazing guest on it was he anti-semitic who cares he would be an amazing guest on info right I think Alex you would have been an incredible guest on info or Alex is distrustful of social media although he loves to use it and brag about his numbers loves people in the middle of nowhere it's true on the land unabomber knew where to hide his

fucking guns I'll tell you that land he's living on the land that's important because he was also living on the land he was but it's more important that he's on the land yeah because we're about to get to another interview there's a guy named Joel Scousen who's on the show now not a fan of his name no he's no manhousen or whatever is man cow man guy Mandelson no Mandelson the the right Lord Mandelson the right Lord Mandelson so Joel Scousen comes on the show and ostensibly the interview is about the Bundy's because at

this point in January of 2016 this is when they were occupying it they had taken over the wildlife refuge none of there was only one guy killed right yeah there was that finnigan or something like that yeah I remember his name but yeah yeah but it was it was his fault imagine it was his fault no it was so his fault but imagine if Native Americans had taken over they would all have been dead they would all have been murdered or so fast or at least way more of them seriously injured yeah like I mean take death out of it there

would have been no no negotiation right it would have been a shit ton of cops but that's what we come back to over and over again is the idea of white behavior being like and then minority behavior being criminalized absolutely that's what you you you look at the difference between how the Bundy ranch not the ranch they stand off at the wildlife preserve how that was treated versus the the people at the pipeline the Native Americans the pipeline and and the people at the wildlife preserve they they let them hang out there

and I can do whatever for like a week I know I don't even remember how long it lasted no one no one at the pipeline had a gun no one at the pipeline had a gun and that's why they got hose should they have had a shit ton of guns no they would have been killed are we leaning towards maybe everybody should have guns no I don't think so because that it's it's a fallacy that that helps yeah I know because it was with everybody should have white skin minorities it leads to escalation yeah with white people it's like calm down

everybody calm down all right new plan be cool most practical plan all right you know the skin color crayon yeah you know how it's white skin color right okay let's just draw white skin on everybody talking about a scandal that happened in the fucking early 90s I know and look and I know almost no time I know that that was a terrible decision I know that the dove advertising campaign wherein they were hugely racist Paul Joseph Watson had an interesting report about that I can't imagine how you would say

the word interesting and have it make sense it wasn't good so anyway Joel Scousen is on and they're talking about the Bundy's yeah let's just move past my white face idea right so here is where he says something that is in the vein of Roger Stone wanting to regulate Twitter and apparently David Knight has now come out talking about regulating Facebook excellent those are good ideas and we should apply them to the tech industry as a whole and that wait no they didn't say that no of course not and I think

that's what ranchers need so that water rights cannot be taken away that managed arbitrarily by the BLM if they were to come out with a proposal like this saying this is what we want and then stand down they would have the high ground people would say yeah they're not a bunch of crazies well they are crazy but what he's what he's espousing is largely unionization yeah or regulating yep those are and it goes back to the same thing we see over and over again I'm against this until it touches me when it touches me

fuck you yeah yeah it's so it's like it's nonsense and the argument is incredibly difficult for us to have because sure like our position is right yeah that makes sense yeah makes sense we don't team sport it no and and and it's like it's like the farmers being able to get together and unionize for shared interest makes total sense oh of course Monsanto should be burned to the ground absolutely yeah not against that in any way I'm not against even the idea of of of having regulation

about what the government can regulate right in terms of water rights or land rights or anything like that but it they are like print yeah until it bothers them right and that's so frustrating because it's not a conversation you can have it's the same thing where we're like if Alex Jones were to listen to this podcast and come at us there would be so much you guys support Hillary and your dams your dumb liberals and stuff like that and we'd be like did you listen to the show we're liberals

sure but it you know the it's it's it we're we're too slippery and nuanced to fight back against a concrete thing that they do it's it that the idea of a it's so that's one of the big things that that always gets to me is like regulation is bad until it bothers me yeah and which case regulation is good like hey the people when when regulation works in your favor like right hey you think things are fair oh it's great it's great dumb liberal snowflake yeah yeah it's it's always

they they the the demonization of progressives is a a million fold and that's mainly because every part of that demonization is obfuscating what it is we actually stand for right like with Antifa totally you can't be against Antifa they're against fascism right their name is anti fascism the only way to be against it is to create a straw man exactly of or and and you can imply that their name is ill advised like in Australia the Liberal Party is our conservatives right

you know that kind of a thing right it's the same thing in Sweden right exactly yeah but it's it's so long as you don't know what we believe how what we will believe will affect you and so on and so forth so long as you combine us with the communists from soviet Russia so long as you combine us with all of these things and so long as it sounds like it makes sense you will believe anything that damages yourself totally when it finally does damage you all of a sudden you're like

you know these progressives have some good ideas except when they apply to anything other than when they apply to me like it's well you're a but also Intel like a depression happens and then you're like well all right it turns out everybody really liked the new deal whenever they couldn't eat yeah it's crazy how democratic socialism kicked ass whenever people starve to death yep yep amazing an important lesson amazing totally it's a good thing we learned it yeah wait

what not not really I'm sorry no no really Sandra Bollocks hold on so we got we got Joel Scowsen trying to make this this argument and that's fine I mean you know we we wrestle a little bit with hearing an argument we're kind of okay with in that context but it's it's our it's our Achilles heel yeah so Joel Scowsen has some other things that he has to say on this episode and him and Alex get into having a conversation about selling weapons into Syria and okay the take on it is

interesting because Alex's whole narrative is that Hillary has a digital Dropbox and what have you these are back in the glory days of the digital Dropbox and she basically is just selling arms to whoever wants to buy them anybody and Joel Scowsen has a slightly different take on it that I think is interesting and I actually maybe kind of agree with him if I can make one caveat that I will at the end of this clip okay if they're getting old decommissioned missiles listen

these things are locked away tighter than a drum and old military bases in the U.S. they have to be trans shipped out of there across the ocean or Turkey or Saudi Arabia I mean who's kidding who that they said we know we did it through the State Department the Pentagon wouldn't well I'm not saying that Hillary would know what's going on in the dark side of the government she's a puppet of the dark side but you know typically Obama or Hillary or even George W. Bush didn't know

what the dark side of government was doing I mean this is too dangerous to let Politicos know about you know dark side operations they need plausible deniability Alex so Joel Scowsen when confronted with the idea that Hillary is selling weapons goes immediately to deep state nonsense well but Alex does deep state nonsense too but right Joel Scowsen's argument is come on man no of course not she won't know about that stuff now here's the caveat I'm

gonna make it's dangerous for all of us if she knows about it you know who it's not dangerous for though Alex Jones Blackwater that's the caveat I would make interesting point seeing that Eric Prince and Blackwater have both both organization and a guy who runs organization yeah have been monster and monstrous have been fingered in terms of running weapons in two countries where it's illegal to sell them right and poorly guilty of atrocities and slaughtering civilians

absolutely it makes sense like and the clitoris is half an inch higher than you think it's going to be you're just pushing up against the urethra quarter you're just pushing up against the urethra okay you mispronounced that urethra apologies I'd like a written apology to us I will write an apology to push so like what I'm what I'm hearing from that clip if you take away the premise that is tons like the government is selling these missiles to all these countries

right if you just let that sit for a second right his idea that Hillary wouldn't know about that stuff that you know people have got to be protected from that in terms of plausible deniability yes politicians or puppets blah blah blah blah yeah that stuff I definitely I agree I don't think that Reagan necessarily knew everything that was going on in Iran Contra I don't know if Reagan knew at that point at that point anything but you know what I'm saying like even if he had all his

faculties right I don't I don't think that he would have been yeah the people who are like he didn't he showed early signs of dementia in offices like oh do you mean he was fucking insane because that's what it sounds like you mean right right anyways yes but like of course of course there are factions at play and stuff doesn't that doesn't that seem just too like a movie though like the idea of history sort of bears it out I know that is the frustrating part yeah there

do seem to be like I mean the CIA in in JFK times right in times of trying to recruit a tight Castro Cuban and they tried to kill Castro like 300 times yeah absolutely and JFK was not necessarily aware of all of those efforts there were machinations behind too busy fucking totally too busy fucking what who could blame him he was a playboy that's a that's a good question Dan yeah but one of the great questions of our time sure who can play who can blame him who killed J are the

only question I could pick up it was Maggie Simpson everybody does I was trying to think of like also from that era type questions like I don't remember when Dallas was on I have no idea it's all before I was born I love I love the fact that we're weird enough to pull out a Dallas reference which was 20 years before we were born yeah yeah but it made its mark you know much like save the cheerleader save the world people making that reference 20 years from now that's true no they won't I doubt it

but like look I I I don't know maybe I'm trying to guilt the Lilly a little bit just so I can make my argument that I think what Joel Scousen is talking about his black water like or those sort of sort of military contractor it seems like those would be the people who have access to high grade munitions and what which is their entire which is the entire point of their existence is they are not under federal oversight so you can it's like money laundering scam total the same thing but

with guns and if Joel Scousen is saying Hillary wouldn't be involved in this who would that's the next question a real journalist would ask Alex doesn't write he just wants to go back to Hillary like okay so if Hillary wasn't involved with this how was Hillary involved with this and she was totally involved with this right are you trying to tell me the digital dropbox was for cat videos actual answer me actually yeah actually yeah those are hilarious that's all 33,000 of the

emails that got deleted have you seen have you seen the small cat who when you rub his belly he's like so close and then you go away and he's like wasn't that cat named socks who care socks the cat the one who plays the piano no the tiny little kitten that did the thing I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton's cat was socks probably dead by now though it's been years not a not according to the deep state anyway this is the end of our time with Joel Scousen because the rest of it is mostly about like a

frustrating name I don't like I like it I don't like it I like it sounds a nefarious automatically it sounds like scowl yeah scousin you want to put it now in there and I don't think there is one I think it's scousin I think it has just too much of a German flavor for me like scousin like oh boy but he belongs in this category of Info Wars guests and man it sucks because I'm saying like some stuff that you're gonna clown on me for the listeners aren't gonna like oh Dan you

know I don't clown on you for I don't I look I when Joel Scousin is on the show I mostly tune out he's not really that bad in terms of his beliefs he has a lot of like dumb geopolitical ideas and stuff like that right in terms of like the like red flags about like people like Matt Bracken has red flags all over right whenever he shows up I'm like I got to listen and he always is like oh shit right I realize this this actually pisses me off yes about myself okay on our last episode we talked

about Matt Bracken's appearance yes on the show and Bracks and I talked about how that is what media matters should be talking about more than the Linda Sarsour of course of course and I realized when I went back and listen to it that I forgot to play a clip and I don't have the clip okay but I could go get it and now I can't because time's up right we're recording right now it's it's too late I'll get it on the next episode sure you will maybe you can find it if you just go listen to the episode but

that's Alex Jones tricks you no one listening is going to know it's going to go back and listen to an Alex Jones episode Dan one of the things that motivated me to be like this is so much more bigoted than the Linda Sarsour stuff yes was that Matt Bracken got into fucking going hard about the overbreeding and the idea that white people are going to be bred anytime somebody says breeding that's bad that's bad he was nobody should ever say he was making the argument that

liberals are mad and Islamists should be mad because this guy went and ran a truck into people when if you just chill out we're going to outbreed them that sort of thing and it was like boy great not not tasty not tasty as an argument so there are people like that like Matt Bracken yeah and then there are people like like David Ike where I'm like all right I dig you crazy but right but also arms distance you're a silly cat and then on June on on January 7th here you have Joel Scousen

and like I think he's wrong about a lot of stuff yeah but also I don't hate him he's a sort of a nebulous concept whereas like Harry Harry Dent or or Schiff Peter Schiff right they're terrible no later later Max Kaiser is going to show up and I think I might like Max Kaiser you're okay I understand where you're coming from I'm wrestling with this no I know I'm struggling here's the problem the bar is so low exactly yeah you're you're in a world where all you have to do to be a

centrist is just not hate the juice so loud right like that's that's your world so or mind your narratives right and that's why and that's why you know me and all of the rest of us who don't listen to Alex Jones every single day can clown on you over being Dan the centrist right not least of which not least of which because you love guns and want everybody to have them I don't want everybody here you're even against white genocide which I think is the most centrist position that you can have

so so it is kind of a situation where your perspective will always be warped true by the relative horrificness of Alex Jones's guests yeah that that that is definitely fair and so it's not and and nobody's nobody's clowning on you like there there is because they dislike you it's just we live in different perspectives there is no counting for like the the the the fact that we've been doing this for now a little over ten months four thousand hours we're about to hit that dude

Malcolm Gladwell is going to jerk off to us so but like we we've been going over this and most the weirdest thing I've ever said most that's not but most of the time we like we go over these episodes and I don't even include the portions that are like Paul Joseph Watson being a full of shit and stuff like that so you guys who are listening and you Jordan don't realize the vitriol that isn't included in the show no Dan I am more than I am more than aware that sometimes you are out to

protect me so Joel Scousen is okay and also protect the show so I don't yell for fourteen contiguous minutes yeah so but I guess my point in that is also preparatory because in a little bit we will get to Max Kaiser right he there's an interview with him at the end of the show that I think is fascinating it's mostly about him being in favor of Bitcoin and Alex being like we don't know enough facts right and then being so go by Max coin well this I think is actually I'm

not sure I'm not sure when Max coin started he doesn't pimp it at all okay he just talks about how like cryptocurrencies are they've shown themselves in terms of yeah and he's like I don't know why you don't trust it Alex I think I'm I think I'm on his side I think cryptocurrency makes sense and at the same time I'm not going to switch over to cryptocurrency anytime soon on paper like a lot of work on paper it does exist or it does it does seem to work I'm also not going to

change right I will change I would change over if more things that were convenient in my life were relevant and you've just explained all of human history right there right like that I I don't like Amazon but I use it because no I despise Amazon I hate Apple but I have a fucking iPhone see I don't yeah I yeah like I don't use Amazon I don't use Uber or any of those things like I hate corporations and I do have an iPhone and I shouldn't but I can't like there's a part of

me you don't want to Samsung I can't survive without an iPhone you don't want to fucking zoom I'm in the ecosystem I've got a MacBook Pro I've got an iPhone I've got an iPad like I can't escape right all my stuff is there I hate Facebook but we have a Facebook page Twitter but we are on Twitter I could social media is the devil but you make a deal with it on some level yeah personally personally I have not been happier since when I left Facebook and Twitter totally and I don't use my

personal account really at all right and I'm much happier than back when I would look through people's posts of course why you booked on that you son of it of course yeah yeah but also that has to do with leaving comedy to well there's a me at a certain point I used to care about that and then I started going through lineups and I was like oh I no longer like I used to feel jealousy and I no longer feel jealousy yeah anyways we got to get out of comedy no idea about comedy so that all of that

is a bizarre reaction to me saying that Joel Scousen isn't that bad and maybe he is and I just haven't heard it I think we got I think we got to the bottom of it it's possible that he's a monster and I just don't know it I'm going to give that caveat but let's move on he's statistical likelihood he's a monster it seems like most of his arguments are about prepping yeah which I'm okay with doomsday prepping yeah as long as you're not crazy I'm okay with it you should have water in the

base those guys seem right you should have water and you should have some sort of food yeah supply like when I was growing up we had a basement and my parents had a bit of food supply down there and some bottled water Y2K my family had water okay your family is crazy but like for my family it was more like about the idea that we lived in Missouri and there were tons of tornadoes right and we might have to hang out in the basement for a week or something like that it's good preparation and

for for no matter no matter what it's good to be prepared scout shit theoretically yeah but it gets weird whenever you're like I'm going to build bombs when it becomes central to your identity that's when it becomes trouble or if it's like it impedes you from the lifestyle that you would otherwise be living right like when you spend all your money on it all your time you make your family do stuff they're uncomfortable with because I watch that show a bunch and well at the same time

it's like the doomsday prepper show is mostly about like bad marriages that's what it's mostly about I mean at a certain point that it's mostly about sad wives it's just overly motivated husbands it's just another it's just another like super weird dad kind of behavior to you know the guy who's super into cars is only slightly less insane than the guy who's super into doomsday prep but at the same time like there's not and now there is I mean being able to fix a car is great

and being able to have like a kernel of a supply if shit goes bad absolutely it's all it's all it's all healthy impulses gone bad and maybe that's what this whole show is generally about that's probably what it is so let's get to this next clip because Max Kaiser doesn't show up for a little bit welcome back to healthy impulses gone bad I'm going to drink this vodka so in this next clip Alex Jones laments that he didn't stop Obama that fucking guy what's weird is I'm up here saying how

bad they are and it sounds like it's cartoonish like I'm making it up but it's not because you are worse than I'm saying I'm mad at myself I don't have words to describe you how evil Obama is and how mad I am that I didn't try to stop him getting elected I'm just I am a pathetic liberal I'm just a gullible idiot I'll be honest with you I wanted to see a black guy get elected compared to John McCain and thought maybe would bring people together I mean I knew the

globalist wanted to divide and conquer us but not true hype and all the love I mean I was against Obama that doesn't try I just wasn't against him enough that doesn't track either and I'm telling you I'm not getting fooled again man these people are evil I won't get fooled again like that that that like a rambling brain trail that he went down is so racist I wasn't against Obama I mean I hated him and I didn't vote for him but I wasn't against him enough but also the

like I have I have been you know died in the wall my entire life into liberal positions yeah that's not and that whole that whole premise of you grow up and you become more conservative yeah I don't feel that at all you and I you and I were raised from very different stock well certainly but but be that as it may it doesn't matter because right did come from like dick dick dick weed weird conservative cult family how dare you be accurate and I came from a religious but also liberal right

like they they were Christian they were super Christian but right never not liberal they were the type of Christian that Christ would have enjoyed I think that my dad would like you saying that yeah hope he listens to this episode maybe not the David Ike part but maybe not but like that to me I I always have had a diverse set of friends and I've always kept people in my life even that I disagree with yeah to a point when it became fighting and shit like that course not gonna hang out

with you anymore hey if it's direct if it's destructive mail on it but all the liberals that I knew around the time that Obama got elected yes not a one of them to a man or a woman was like I want to see a black guy in there they might have subconsciously thought that you know there's a certain part of me that wants to disagree because it was never a selling point no outside of this is not something that Alex would say and I think it is a reasonable selling point in terms of race yeah

just the idea of children seeing a black president right black children seeing as someone who conforms to their perception of self right I opens up a wide window of oh I this is something that has never been a possibility for me and now it is of course that's meaningful psychologically that's not what Alex is talking about no of course that's the extent that I ever heard any sort of like let's get a black guy in there right whereas Alex is talking about it in terms of divide and conquer

race baiting course I want to see a black guy in there maybe maybe that'll calm the blacks down I mean that's what he's saying yeah that is what he is saying that if you voted for Obama what you were voting for is pacifying black people which is not a good position to take on some level that is what he's right and then he's saying like I look I love the love fuck what am I going to do with this I wasn't for Obama I wasn't for didn't fight hard enough like that just struggle in his brain of like he doesn't know

what to do like is at the beginning of this episode he called for his impeachment right like he called for Paul Ryan's impeachment right because he won't impeach Obama right like he sounds as crazy as I do he's a no because your craziness at least is all focused in the same direction like Alex is all over the place like he's trying to make penance in some way in this in this for being like not against Obama enough but look I got duped I got right but if you don't actually believe in anything

fair enough then it has to be like that is that is kind of a fascinating headspace to get into that you can't really process if you're not that of like yeah exactly but that's why like I watched all of that one fucking Netflix show like mind hunter whatever it is probably no I watched all of that shit too but it is it is like the reason that it's so fascinating is because the 99% of us are 90 85 84% of us who aren't psychopaths burp it's fascinating like how do you get into that headspace

burp what is it like if you're that person what is it like if you don't really believe in anything burp I'm trying to do I'm trying to do a durst impression I know you're really really struggling you're really struggling to a fake burp so it's not good it's not good so yeah I don't I agree I mean I think that's a fascination with true crime shows to right of the extent of like course our cultures and on a sick level it is also the what reality TV is but unfortunately it's self

reinforcing right because those reality shows are like we're watching people be artificial sociopaths they're getting paid a bunch of money to act like that or they're not getting paid a bunch of money now they are and they're just getting publicity to act like no but then they get paid a bunch of money to show up at a bar for a private yeah that's true like if I could go on some fucking show and then end up getting thirty five grand to show up at a bar yeah that's amazing you know it's crazy I

like the real world road was challenged do yeah so do all the $35,000 to show up at a bar all of the Jersey Shore we gonna party I was almost on married at first sight that's a true story hold on yeah yeah well this is the rest of the episode what are you talking about what are you talking about it's not a super interesting story I was on a strongly disagree I was so no so when I was where you would have to get married to someone you just met yeah why did you sign up for this because

that's the more interesting story I didn't sign up for it I was recruited wow I was on I was on the ok cupids sure and so all the sudden I started talking to this one girl lady woman turns out reality show recruiter hell yeah we were having she didn't make that clear from the first message horse not that's subterfuge oh absolutely no we started talking she made me do this whole audition video and all this shit and I was I was at a point in my life where I was like you know what fuck

it what I'm bored sure no I get that impulse I get that in plane to me that the reason that I was not cast was because I was a comedian and they thought I would fuck with them and I was like you nailed it yeah there is no way I would have taken this seriously and I would have fucked with you guys the whole time well I mean I think the like the good news is that show didn't work so it even if you had signed up it would be embarrassing it would be hilarious to me it would be

embarrassing in hindsight because like funniest fucking shit like if you had signed it like on fully and but yeah I'm into I want to I want to do this no no chance I I got an email out of the blue from some producers that they were trying to do a like like they're like hey we're going to do a new version of the guy code and girl code those MTV two shows right together like you real real cool like what would you like they're like let's do a video audition so I got like a

Skype going and yeah if I had it now I have these fucking webcam so right perfect right right but my like my fucking laptop computer I just looked grainy and shit and they're like this this video is not good I'm like sorry yeah it's what I got you're right and so they were asking me they're like what pisses you off about women I'm like I don't like the question currently currently you immediately I was like this show is not going to catch me number one I look like a crazy

person and I am not playing ball I this is no good I did a weekend with one of the hosts of the guy code well but there are a couple good people on there like John Gabriel is amazing yeah he's fucking hilarious not that guy Mateo was on there our friend Mateo Lane not that guy all right I don't remember who else is on there you don't need to know great I don't name name but there are people who are on those shows who are actually really talented it's not their fault the show sucks

of course but also it is embarrassing when this person is like also it was from the E network right he was trying to get their own version of that right like what first of all why the fuck you talking to me why did you send me an email out of the blue I'm not I you fucking can find a picture of me you know what I look like a little bit weird you know what I look like and I have fucking hundreds of hours of me talking into a microphone like you probably don't now hey if you

cast me for your reality show just so you know when people Google me shit's going to get wild this might have been before we started this podcast but be that as I didn't mean with just you and me I meant your entire podcast over that's not on the internet anymore that shit is down fair but be that as it may this has been a wonderful glance down memory yeah or were we talking about Alex Jones you got now I forgot about it but but this is our version of Alex being like I've been in

big movies that's our like that that's our we've taught you show business you were almost on a dumb marriage reality show that's that's exactly what it is except for again we're reality we're reality based so it's like out of ourselves this is fucking stupid yeah why would we have ever done this yeah yeah not not like I had the opportunity no they asked me to do it knows yeah it was just fucking stupid no it's dumb we made fun of it it was a bad idea frankly maybe if I had lied

about being a comic I would have been on married at first site and I would be the biggest comic in the world oh and if I had had a better webcam and I had been like let me roll with the questions as opposed to being myself right maybe I would have made a thousand dollars and then the show never would air you just explained why we're never going to be successful maybe if we hadn't been ourselves yeah that's why we're here exactly so in this next clip Alex Jones talks a bit more about the

nation of Islam because he went and visited Farrakhan and he says something that I staunchly disagree so if theory or or perhaps postulate before we begin hypothesis if Farrakhan had flattered Alex how would that have gone he did oh shit I think it's in this next clip I was inside the nation of Islam one of their main headquarters and I probably talked to 20 men and they were like I like the show last week I want you to do the blah blah blah I mean it's like and then they get they turn

the computer on Alex Jones is playing like oh excuse us I mean it's like and you're like well what I mean people like what do you mean I don't like the issue of Islam they're anti-Semitic whatever whatever we can reach out to them and get them to come out against the New World Order and we agree with them about vaccines that doesn't matter the point is if we've even got the nation of Islam listening every day and in foreign governments and everything else it's amazing so let's unpack that all right

let's unpack that the it takes so little for Alex Jones to love you well but that that like that version of things is it it's like who cares they're anti-Semitic yeah and don't worry about it now I want to juxtapose that with my support of David Ike that I was talking about earlier I really wish you wouldn't call it support of David Ike I only did you could you call it a soft spot for David Ike I only did for reference I would respect soft spot for David Ike I do I do stop dick Van Ike I do stop

just short of support yes but like David Ike is not legitimately anti-Semitic he is beholden to anti-Semitic ideas and metaphorically spits out some rhetoric he's a he has dispenser yes yes but he is not someone who is like the Jews are evil Farrakhan is right and the nation of Islam has had that tradition pretty hardcore yeah and so the difference here where Alex is like who cares if they're anti-Semitic that's like that's bad that's very bad right whereas for me when I say look David Ike has break clearly has

brain damage and he believes the protocols of the elders as I on and what have you when I say that it's less who cares about that it's more let's look at this in context right if he actually was coming out and being like fuck these Jews then it'd be then there would be no soft spot that I wouldn't be great whereas Alex it's like who can they like me yeah they like me yeah and you hear that clip it's totally clear what happened right they had people put up info wars on their browsers yeah see them oh yeah

and then pretend like oh no let me close you know what do you know what that's called that's called fucking research it's called compromising you do it you'll wind up tricking people it's called compromising somebody through flattery yeah and that's the easiest trick is like oh no excuse me oh let me close out of these tabs no it happens to be an article about how you're amazing who would have guessed oh my god you guys you guys over there you're breaking all the big news Alex would never demand like

what video did you watch no like I saw that video last week you were amazing yeah well thank you very much yeah exactly God you blacks are amazing exactly that's what he had that's the road he went down Farrakhan and these guys say you blacks are amazing in Alex Jones's voice I got it these like they played him like a fiddle yeah it's very clear to me that there was at least well as we fucking established it's not hard and that's the point of it but it does take a little bit of forethought and

it is impressive to me okay it's impressive to me that they thought to do that no that's because they did it's of course it's clear that it's well and it's not even it's not even brilliant it's just if you do a modicum of research on somebody and you actually attempt to influence them you can probably succeed yeah and that is the story of everybody who's been on Alex Jones's show if you do just the slightest bit look Dan yeah you could go on to Alex Jones's show using all of your

information I might call him tomorrow had you have okay have you the self control to do so Alex Jones will be a fan of knowledge fight assuming he doesn't already know we exist yes yeah if he has that pre knowledge then it would be impossible but if I called in and it was like hey Alex look you're the best you're spitting the this truth that no one is putting out there it's so it's not real it's that's where it would end is because you'd be like you're spitting this truth

that no one else is putting out there because you're like I don't and so I don't have honesty to you're like Kevin Neelans subliminal man I would just make look dude you're the best bra bro bro you're the shit I love you I love you all right your cell will be all this you've got the truth behind you I believe you appreciate it excellent look we do a podcast about you can we get a plug in oh yeah give it a block give it a block listen this podcast called knowledge

fight we just talk about you know it's like info wars but knowledge fight we just talk about how great you are it's the best and all you guys should check that out maybe that would work instantly yeah but it all is just flattery if he came here that thought died yeah I know there's nowhere for that to go no I like the I was trying to think about how we could co-opt him if he came to Chicago and they're like now come to my bedroom no if you know if he came here it would

just be me barking at him oh you wouldn't be here no I it would be one on one good point good point you're you're not wrong that is a very smart deal look also would you put that shit on twitch millions of viewers totally we got to find wrap ports number anyway is that the next step for us you don't I've realized you don't have a rap report John wrap reports well it gets get my crap about my grab before yeah that'd be great the what I've realized this is an interesting

thing because we haven't covered wrap report in a long time and that's because his reports have been born right of course he's every other Thursday though still hosting the fourth hour and what I've realized is he's like he's kind of a psychiatrist or psychologist for info wars right because he is so much of a calm presence because he does these neuro linguistic programming type tricks the way he speaks with like these lilting tones he does a bit of that and then he sounded a bit

like a ghost there no he does that too he sounds like a ghost yeah but not as like that was parody but at the same time but at the same time like he does those like he's very trained in how he uses the tones of his voice and the the gate of his speech right and to the point where even if he wanted to control it he probably couldn't probably not yeah and it's so calm yeah and that's that's unlike anything on info wars that is so angry yeah and so like even if you're David Knight

being boring you're still an angry boring he's still a little hot yeah compared to John Rappaport and I the last like four times that Rappaport's been on I've wanted to cover what he's done but it because you know I love him to the body of the report is no good and then each time the the part that's interesting isn't long enough and had I have known I would have gotten a month of all of these but basically what happens is he shows up for the fourth hour and councils Alex for the first

ten minutes okay he councils out like Alex is in a bad mood and he's like John what about this he's like well you got to think about you got to think about the angles and you know like vaccines are terrible he does he basically talks Alex down that's and then the next 45 minutes is his own report and what made it crystal clear to me was last Thursday I was when Owen Troyer hosted and Owen was freaking out at the end of the end of the show but he couldn't he couldn't figure out where to

put his bearings he had no idea what was going on and he was like they these JFK reports came out and turns out Hitler's still alive and everyone clowned on that and that was just like a him miss because that's silly yeah he miss speaking and everyone jumped on that of course whatever and so he's just like what do I do and the whole time you have stoic John Rappaport just being like you're 27 you probably have a sports medicine degree calm down the globalists are doing what they do and he

just counseled him through like 15 minutes it was weird so so we're dynamic Rappaport is the weird Zen master of info is the guru that's what you're doing basically so wait is this all John Rappaport's idea now no because are we sure no because he didn't exist in a meaningful way in 2015 or even where we are now in 2016 he had shown up just to talk about how like AIDS isn't real and vaccines are bad course because he has that medical journalism in hard quotes natural background yeah but

no he's become essentially on Thursdays every other Thursday someone who will talk the host down it's fucking crazy that's that's cute I'm going what that is is cute I'm going to keep a better track of that because it it sounds lame for me to just sell this whole cloth and be like right this is what they do right but I assure you it's counseling it's it's absolutely because John Rappaport's gifted with his language and he knows how he speaks it's basically like cognitive behavioral

therapy yeah but with an abrasive host again it's amazing how how certain are we that John Rappaport isn't influencing all of these people to do what it is he wants them to do I have no evidence that John Rappaport has ever spoken to Larry Nichols I vote nah that's wrong you got to know that John Rappaport and I have been friends since Nicaragua oh Rappaport is a Nicaragua that's how we got the cross eye that's the plan oh boy look I don't know that he knows him I don't know that I don't think

look I 100% don't think that he's a part of the 45 group all right and I also don't think this is tough I don't really think that I've ever heard John Rappaport say all that much about Trump interesting he's really into medical shit yeah like the most lunatic yeah but I don't I mean I know he's pro Trump is he he is but I don't think I've ever heard him say that much I don't think he cares that much well he's John Rappaport he's afraid of vaccines yeah and bushes yeah he's afraid of

college campus bushes if I know one person that he's spoken to it's general stubble by that's for the walks out that's for the regular listeners oh yeah anyway Alex Jones in this next clip gets into a theory about liberals that I don't agree with I think I'll probably agree with it I'm a woman with short hair I'm Ron Boyd I'm the authority Obama Congress time for you to get in line none of that at all government openly funding ISIS openly giving them stinger missiles neocon Republicans running

Obama you tell a Democrat that from too big a power trip they look at you through feeble little lies and giggle and go yeah just imagine I didn't power I had a prominent Democrat this morning but I was on the phone with on some issues here in town and he was giggling and laughing at me about the executive order and a betting I was upset so I don't know who this prominent Democrat is but also the idea see she loves him for us the idea that like this prominent Democrat was like haha meaner meaner

you're just mad that yeah that flies in the face of I mean I would say all literally everything well but no maybe not but like all of info war is advertising yeah where they're like by this shirt it'll piss off Democrats right like that sort of thing it's like why it turns out we're not pissing them off they're giggling at us why are you mad at first of all that interaction didn't happen but why are you hypothetically mad at this person being like you're oh you're you're pissed off you

pissed off isn't that fun right when you that's your ad strategy your entire life and I know we get back to this stupid hypocrisy thing where it doesn't matter right but like big picture it does it really does on as a time capsule how well that's possible we're never going to make effective change but right as a just a yeah when you get really big picture yes I agree as a matter of record yes it matters when you like if it's also fascinating because that is tied right into a very small part

where he says neocons are route are running Obama and you're like fuck you might be fucking right about that why are you saying that shit well because because like okay here's why Alex is wrong that's why like what you just expressed right there is literally why Alex is wrong because we talk about the we I mean I talk about this a lot because I studied logic extension is extensively in college jinx and the reason you have to be Robert Durst for you look yes continue the the

important thing about logic is truth preservation I've brought this up in the past right and the the only thing that logic is opposed to in terms of sentential logic and predicate logic yes truth cannot lead to falsity that is where there's a problem right if you stop if you start from true premises and lead to a false conclusion that's a problem right if you start from a false premise and lead to a false conclusion of course who gives a shit you're already wrong and a false premise to

true conclusion who cares right it's all fine right only instance where things are actually a real problem are true premises false conclusion right and that's what Alex does all the time of course we've talked about it probably three times already on this podcast if not more what on this episode I mean yeah that's when you talk about like Obama is involved with neoconservatives and that is a problem as it relates to also neoliberals yeah it's it is a big problem so you have

truth there and then what it comes down to is like a meaner meaner stuff yeah you're just trying to like right it's a game and you're just trying to fuck right that's a false conclusion that you're coming to and that's that's where logic comes into play where it's like well we got a big red flag on this right and that's what he does all the time and that's that's what that's where I mean the reason I started this podcast wasn't that but the thing that keeps me going through it is that so

much of it is that yeah there's so much like a small bit of reality you're fucking up yep you're fucking up this like because I am offended by I'm offended by the idea that there are crimes against children I'm offended by the idea that Hollywood has this casting couch system of that Alex has been complaining about for the last month because it's in vogue yeah but like I do think that's terrible and and he's right the truth as a premise then he leads to the drinking blood

exactly city yeah he is right about a ton of dumb ass things dumb ass things let's take that out of it yeah but he's right about a ton of kernels of stuff and then leads it into falsity yeah he is like a manufacturer like a warehouse a depot where it's just like truth becomes fiction yes and it's it's so crazy but also sometimes he's an assembly line sometimes fiction becomes fiction yeah and sometimes fiction becomes truth I mean he has been right about a few things yeah I mean

he's right about like Osama bin Laden attacking world trade still alive in in 2000 2001 he's hanging out with Hitler in 2001 he did say that Osama bin Laden was going to attack the World Trade Center again and he was right about that but that's because that was obvious totally if anybody was paying attention no for sure yeah at the same time we shouldn't take that away from like him being right right you know like like in the same way that if you had called that I would give you

credit oh I did call it but I would also say I was nine but I called it I would give you credit for it and then stipulate not that hard to figure out but he's also right about civil acid forfeiture he's right about marijuana laws drug laws in general there so like there there's stuff where he's like true to true it's the problem is when he's true to false 90% is that yeah 90% I would say that a less amount of it is true to false and more of it is just false to false 60% is false to

false no cuz even if you go into that it's true that the Las Vegas shooting happened and then okay and then that's your if that's your benchmark though for whether or not he's starting from a truth I mean that's just that's just in that case what else are you gonna do that's a good point how else you're gonna construct that argument right the Las Vegas shooting happened it was a false flag there were helicopters right no I get I I see now what your what your root point is

and I I I don't know Alex is fucking it's he's disqualified from having any reasonable point sure it is fun for me to be like but no or more more illustrative more illustrative illustrative you did that to me the other day I was just watching out of of whenever it is he does get something that is relatively obscure correct wherein neocons running Obama that is something that is not a a well publicized version of Obama's presidency I think I think it's I think it's in the

middle like I think I think it's not totally publicized it's not obscure either though I think that's in the middle I think that's a conversation point that is out there it is it's an interesting question for the two of us especially because we are way too into this to you know what I'm saying like if we were to go out and family feud the general public you mean mark dice it if we were to mark dice if we were to mark dice some people but I doubt I doubt the idea of neoconservative one would

be anywhere near their general lexicon gazing video be on drudge yeah we do that probably let's do that no that's not our style to drudge a link no he's not going to look into us course not let's just make a fucking fake propaganda video alright Dan let's talk about this after Dan again we are way too interested in giving neocons advice about how they should run things probably alright well look we got a couple more clips okay we got a couple more clips in this eight hour

long episode so in this next clip Alex has another theory about the left liberals right shockingly I disagree with it again drinking blood I mean the the kleptocrats the left that's allied with radical Islam and others they've got such a hatred of the west that they really ought to think about what they're trying to destroy and what they're going to be involved in you people are front and center for radical Islam to take out but you know your parents were conservative or whatever

so they made you go to church so you want to show them and it's really dirty it's really nasty cuckolding to bring in folks to rape the women it's so cool I mean it's in the left radical Islam is avant garde they see women with hoods on their heads I mean they get excited I think it's so cool I mean they just oh it's a sexy because they don't like that you know they're men how dare you wear pants I'd make the orders oh my gosh she hotty I love you oh yes I mean it's sick so

what do you think about wait what what what huh I open what was he saying not sure so not sure honestly not sure okay so if you want me to give you a recap so wait are we as a card carrying burn it all to the ground liberal is he saying that we don't want our women to wear pants no I think you're not supposed to wear pants I'm not supposed to wear pants I if so so if we're going from that clip yes I think he's saying the men aren't supposed to wear pants okay

because that works out sort of in terms of like colloquial right like the man wears the right right we don't want to do that's what he's riffing okay because the women not wearing but I don't understand how that would work well I mean because especially since it is conservatives of his ilk who kept women from wearing pants for so long so okay so so but now now also we were raised conservative right no no no your parents are trying to make you conservative they made you

they made you go to church okay so he's talking specifically to me you dumb but hurt liberal right you're cucked out so now I'm like loving it's kind of it's kind of sexy right for me to cuck out Christendom I don't disagree that is kind of hot it's I strongly don't like this parody like nothing makes me want to fuck more than whatever it was he was talking about they're like what was he talking about he's talking about describe a human being who thinks like that I don't think

one exists but right again it's that same kernel of something that leads to a fake thing there are definitely liberals who are liberal because they're reacting to their conservative parents and I'm not saying that's your case just because you had conservative parents right that's not necessarily the case but you have people who are the David Brock David Horowitz types right who grew up in confining political bubbles and then lashed out against that in their adult life there are examples

like that that's what he's talking about yes and so he's trying to paint it's it's just this big narrative that he has about liberals love radical Islam because it's cucking out white people it's this which is which we should get rid of the west like anytime you like I'm at it I'm at a point now where totally I feel like it feels like you should every time he says the West like you should have a voiceover come on white and then just move on or like you're you're saying white people just

say white people that's what you know that's what you mean but male and Christian also right even like that's true it is it is subordination of the other is what he's talking about exactly and even if you go back to any of the time when like we don't even unpack make America great again or anything like that although I did read an interesting article the other day I think it was in Politico I'm not entirely sure but they did a study of I go back and forth on Politico me too I go case by

case yeah but the article was about the perceptions of when America was great and everybody just was talking about when they were younger right it is just healthy on days of course just the idea the image of the past when things were simpler because your memory destroys all of the horrific things that you live through you only deify the things that you do you deify nostalgia yeah of course and all of you out there are cool which is why the who are an overrated band and that's where

I get murdered they have a good songs but but also a lot of this could be dealt with if all of you would read some of the lesser works of HP Lovecraft that is a true fact that is stated all the time HP Lovecraft is most known for the call of Cthulhu maybe the case of Charles Dexter Ward the three great book of his regular co-host Cthulhu I think HP Lovecraft is one of the most problematically racist but also great authors he's amazing he taps into something about the human

condition and about terror and how fear works that most authors don't get and I don't like horror I don't like horror at all okay but I love the dynamic of his writing and I do cop to the fact that he's a fucking racist yeah he's a product of his times and if you look at him throughout his career he softens in terms of talking about mongoloids and in one of his early books he has a cat that's named the N word like there not a great name yeah there's a lot of shit like that but as he

gets older just just pure even if you are a racist that's not a great name for a cat it's not but I only bring that up to try Nancy I take the piss out of him in as much as I love him you know like I love the work though recognize he sucks I understand his lesser work one of them is the dream quest of unknown cadath and no one likes that book it for good reason just just from a title standpoint could have had a couple of rewrites I love it I think it's perfect it's my favorite book

of his I always have been more of a fan of the dream cycle that he did more than the the Cthulhu cycle okay I always was more of a fan of the dream worlds that he described because if you read his letters they are in like most of his work comes from legit nightmares that he had right and like trying to deal with visions that he had not like prophetic visions or anything like that but the the one he was a man who suffered from night terrors and he wrote him down yes and told people about

them and we have records yeah but one of the things that's really fascinating is the dream quest of unknown cadath is about this guy named Randolph Carter who's trying to get to the dream city where Randy carts yeah where he's trying to get to the dream city of cadath where the gods play yeah and there's these these gold steepled roofs and it's perfect and he wants to get there and it's this whole thing where like you can't go there you can't go there the gods the gods play there

and it's forbidden for man to go there right goes through this whole fucking nonsense as usual there's there's a little bit of wizard of Oz aspect to it he has to make alliances with various things and what the sounds right with the end comes to spoiler alert is he was dreaming of Providence he grew up in Providence Rhode Island and he was dreaming of his childhood home that's what his vision of cadath was right that he created this false vision in his head of what the dream city where the

gods would play is oh shit and it is just what he had as a child hold on one second right was Alex Jones actually raised in a small town named prosperity no but he might have been okay well then never mind I retract my argument if he was a little bit west it could have been truth and consequences that's right fucking stupid as or could have gone to go on east and it could have been hope Arkansas but like that is what will fall into and that's that's a piece of the human condition

that HP Lovecraft nails in dream quest of unknown cadath which is a again it's a it's a it's a chore to get through a terrible book it's not terrible it's great an unreadable book the cats of Saturn do battle with the cats of Ulter and it's great now I'm way on board because that's a great title and then the night gaunts come in do you know about the night gaunts back off board they have night gaunts they don't have I get it they don't have faces but they love to tickle no I've played in a final fantasy

to know what a what a great gaunt is night gaunts love to tickle anyway all right that that's got a very different growing up the tickle to take the tickling is terrifying yeah the context of the night got no I agree I agree the thing is though like this is like what is being triggered by these ideas of making America great again and heartening back to nostalgia it is something that is so ingrained in each of us individually to come up with our own positive association to it right

whereas the reality is not necessarily a positive thing course the objective reality of going backward is not good but each of us has a boner for that because of the simplicity and the wonder of us when we were children back of them and and just the lack of awareness and like it's very it's very everybody read science fiction we'd be in a better place that's it's the dreams of men will you on it qualified truth yeah because you'd have these ideas that are proposed to you and

you deal with I'm preaching to the choir our listeners are what but like most people would have more advantageous ideas in their head if they would just not succumb to easy tricks I mean it's a it's the it's the classic rock conundrum there is no such thing as classic rock it's just the shit from a certain area certain era that radio stations play so often it'll eventually be Lincoln Park exactly I thought I would use when you first said the classic rock conundrum I was like oh so two rocks go into a bar

I was like why did Rikishi hit him hit so cold with a car that doesn't make sense no he said he did it for no no how dare you down no sir also what is he cook stir fry stir fry so good so good so have you ever had the rock stir fry just everyone believe all the vegetables are cooked but still crispy it's amazing incredible how do you put them in at the right time I don't know I've never been on chopped but I bet the rock would win undoubtedly so we have one more clip George we have one

more of course there's been a lot of nonsense this has been so much fun a delight anytime I get to expound on Lovecraft I I'm having a great time your your mood improves unimaginably I legitimately maybe should be doing a podcast about HB Lovecraft you should maybe be HB HB Lovecraft I have night terrors I don't I do I've had them yeah yeah they're not great my have you ever have you my buddy Nick my buddy Nick has night terrors yeah like I don't know if he has recently but back when you we used to live together he'd

have night terrors and like wake up screaming in the middle of the night yeah yeah I've never had you've never had sleep paralysis or anything like that paralysis and I've woken up with jolts like right that sort of thing but never like to the point of like ah like legitimately he would scream yeah and now I feel bad because he listens to the show but he knows and we talk well of course he does and he he's the one who had them we've talked about it on a podcast but I'm not putting this on the street sure he

has night terrors no no it's it seems terrifying I don't I don't know what that experience is like I've also never had a wet dream either I've never had a wet dream so I don't know I don't know what those things are like but I've had lucid dreams before I've had I've had sleep paralysis for sure where I've been awake never had a dream every time I fall asleep I am at the unwilling mercy of my own brain but have you ever had dreams where you're like more conscious within them no I've lived I've lived a an entire

lifetime in a dream multiple times where it's like you you wake up and you're like holy shit I do not have a wife what the fuck just happened there but other than that no no lucid dreaming right well why are you judging me as though I'm a lesser person right I'm not I just don't know what to do with this information because even if people like the idea of like straight up total lucid dreams are you controlling everything and yeah even most people still have dreams where they're more cognizant of the

fact that it is a dream even if they don't have control over it never like going along with it so every time you have a dream it's just like a pictograph just like a movie playing in front of your eyes I don't remember most of my dreams but still happen though you just don't remember them it's possible I just have no recollection of them yeah it's a muscle you can work on possible this it's possible it could be all a dream I mean we could be in a simulation how fucking according with

that be according to cowboy bebop this is all a dream how sad would it be if this is a simulation and this is how we spend our time statistically speaking this is about Alex Jones this is a simulation drinking vodka and talking about Alex Jones is how we choose it is yours ones and zeros it is an unreasonable idea to think that this isn't a similar simulation I know I read Nick Bostrom yeah all right make sense all right yeah absolutely mathematically it does not work out that also real

world also mathematically why wouldn't we be talking about Alex Jones I got nothing better to do exactly well I did buy a switch have you ever played the Sims do you see what those people do none of them talk about Alex Jones at all they never start podcast although that is oh my god that's gonna that's gonna be the saddest thing that ever happens is when the next Sims game comes out and they're like do you want your character to start a podcast do you want your do you or do you not think

your sim believes in the protocol that's going to be a branch I'm a branching decision do you know what we need to do develop a game called sim Larry Nichols you get to live Larry Nichols life if Larry Nichols was telling the truth about his life dude that's a bummer what it's not a bummer dad I've got a lot of information I can't give out on the air all right he's a bummer of a man all right we'll talk off air okay so we have one more clip I teased this that Max Kaiser comes on another guest and most of

who's Max Kaiser he's a guy who has Max coins okay but most of the episode I have way think he's the guy who wrote that book about like women no that's Max Kellerman tech Tucker Max yeah Max Kaiser most of his appearance is just about Bitcoin being a decent cryptocurrency great idea not Max coin Alex Jones you do not like the Federal Reserve you hate fiat currency all that stuff bitcoins work right on top of that's a lot of his argument but easy they get into gun stuff a little bit doesn't make

sense why would you do that well Max Kaiser has a decent argument and this is a Mike down clip because it's like okay but also only because it's so like Alex Jones being a dick okay and Max Kaiser being pretty reasonable and I want to hear I want the audience to be able to hear the times that Max tries to rebut things and Alex cuts him off okay it moves very fast all right so here's Mike down in the news so let me let me ask you a question and I know you follow the gun issue obviously it's a big issue and I

am always looking at this issue myself and and so I want to ask you a question so what what what would happen and I haven't really thought through this I'm God I'm really genuinely curious what you would think of this idea you know what would be the situation if gun owners were required to buy insurance to go with that gun so when you buy a gun you need to buy insurance to go with that gun similar to the way when you drill learn to get a car you need car insurance so the damage that's done you know

by accidents or etc the power to tax is the power to destroy they're using Obamacare to take over the economy as a private tax corporations next will be a tax for a baseball bat or a or a or insurance for a nice but it's but insurance is not a tax it's a it's a way to rule it is to spread the the the cost come on of this no the cost is twelve thousand two hundred people dead a year on average max and about seven plus thousand commit suicide which is their right to do I don't

support people killing themselves but I get it you had bone cancer or something blow your head off I mean I see it but I mean like the case that the folks the government is coming down and if I read Obama they want to disarm us to enslave us brother but they're going to put they're going to put fingerprint sensors on the guns right yeah that'll bankrupt all the old ones and and and make all the others illegal if this is a plan to get the okay so I have the mayor protein of

Austin admitting after they register they confiscate max okay but after there's no debate they want our guns but it wouldn't it be in the interest of those supporting the gun law no no no compromising no no gun laws none let felons have guns let everybody have it because criminals are going to have them anyways zero gun laws zero zero zero zero zero zero so um especially on today of all days what a dick when a gentleman who of I mean all the information isn't out yet as

we record this but someone went into a church and killed twenty seven people I wait what twenty seven yeah it was twenty seven that's the last report I saw the number might change but yeah that's the last report I saw on fucking real on a day like that I mean I know we're going back into the past but it's important to see the principles versus the reality and what Max Kaiser is presenting is a reasonable middle ground not a bad idea it's a reasonable middle ground it's not

and he's even presenting it as look people are pushing towards this wouldn't it be in people who are strong gun advocates best interest to protect their ability to have guns insurance would make reasonable the idea behind it is sooner or later it will be enough so like if you're if your argument is or like when when he's describing Obama the drumbeat of when will enough be enough so we all feel that yeah his point is sooner or later it has to be there will be enough is enough and none

of us want to come to the point where it's draconian none of us want to come to the point where there's a fascist state taking guns right like you and I as died in the world liberals as we are would be uncomfortable with that it would be a bad idea that would be scary as shit yeah you don't want a you don't want a federal government of any kind doing something along those lines no in that regard so or a state government fair well especially especially not Kansas or Indiana

any centralized authority doing something like that would be no in the same way that we support all of the amendments we support the second amendment unfortunately against our against God's will but so his his idea makes way too much sense yeah his idea is gun owners you don't want your guns taken away so rather than wait until they try and take him away and then have a fantastic shootout when none of us want that none of us want that maybe instead be like oh okay if you

buy a gun you also have to buy gun insurance and if any gun is used to hurt somebody that money but it out well let's insurance let's give the let's done and done let's give a fucking real world example of this because I have said a couple times on this episode that I bought a switch I bought a Nintendo I bought a Nintendo switch yes you did and in doing so and I shot it with a gun and in doing so I had to trade in I didn't have to but I traded in mind we you because I was like I want

some store credit in order to buy this in order to afford it appropriately because otherwise it would be a crazy purchase too much and so I went to the store and they said cool they looked at the Wii U they checked it out made sure it played well I wasn't scamming them and then they asked for an ID and they ran the ID and they're like oh your ID is expired right your ID is expired you can't trade in a video game system for another video game system I probably could have

bought a gun and absolutely I probably could easily at a gun show or something like that without they were just like looked at the ID like in the same way that I can still get into bars with an expired ID could have gotten in the could have gotten three to five guns absolutely and I'm not sure exactly what point I'm trying to make with this but like maybe when trading in a video game system laws are more important than buying murder weapon laws probably something

going on yeah I had to go and like really work out a plan you had to text me I had to get other people I had to get on a goddamn bus we had to get on a bus that we weren't sure was coming because Broadway has gotten a lot of structure construction work on it so we spent a good hour and ten minutes together figuring out how it is you are going to get a Nintendo switch spoiler for a hundred dollars less than it cost spoiler I mean it is it was a situation where Jordan was

the best friend in the world and he came through for me because he has a current ID and mine is expired and you know one thing they say about Jordan his ID is always current these pawn shop laws that GameStop follows right are confining and also the bands the blind sure rest in peace Lou dog nope don't care much of a little like that through you and the look I just thought about Lou dog makes me say rest in peace Lou dog the the thing that I keep coming back

to is is this idea that like I don't care I mean I was frustrated in the moment but I get it yeah I get why you have to have regulations in place of like someone could have stolen this and of course rated in you like course it's a it's a it's a piece of technology it's like a laptop or something like that that at this point back in the day it was just a piece of plastic you know like yeah Nintendo but now now these things are like multiple hundred dollars worth of it was frustrating in the

moment but I get it and the idea that I would lobby Congress or that I would be like fuck you video game trade in rights are paramount right and granted no one dies because of this example that I'm using but like it it's so it's so silly to me and then the other piece I want to take away from this is that Alex is like the Supreme Court decided that insurance is a tax that is yeah but well then back that's again just no but that's again just him not understanding the Dirst is here

burp oh no burp oh no I'm gonna end up in a garbage bag that's just him not always the way this podcast is gonna end in me me and me cross dressing and ending up in a garbage bag I assume both of us we're gonna end up in a garbage bag sooner or later so it's just him misrepresenting the Supreme Court's decision about Obamacare yeah it's not about Obamacare it's about the penalty it's about the penalty for not signing up with Obamacare the Supreme Court did decide that

it is a tax yeah and that's fine yeah that makes sense yeah it is it is kind of the so so the argument that conservatives always make is you can't legislate morality which is in a very very simplistic way a truth and at the same time the dumbest fucking thing that you could possibly say and if you say it shut the fuck up forever because it in the same way that you and I or that you tried to trade in a video game system now that law is not really going to affect a ton of people

right if you have a legitimate ID even if you stole that fucking system it's going to only make it traceable that this person stole the system exactly which is not going to make it and who the fuck is going to follow up on it unless somebody says my video game system was stolen right like all of this is not legislating morality it is increasing two or three steps away from it guess you know what every video game system has a tracking number on it and every single video game system that

you have can be traced like there's why they have serial numbers on the hash that they scanned them yeah when you trade them in or when you buy them you buy them you they scan it and they're like I mean it's not like oh my god big brother they they know that I have this video game system but if the records need to be pulled up right they can find out that I own a switch no they can absolutely be and and here's the way if you have your phone stolen yeah there there there's

like yeah the whole thing there there's it's not always evil right there are things that are the the simplest the simplest way of describing why you can't legislate morality is a stupid argument is the I can't remember which hill or bridge or whatever it is but they just there was a a area where hundreds of people committed suicide every year and all they did was they put up a fence and all of a sudden the suicide rate dropped so fast because that is not legislating morality

or anything like that but for a lot of people if you just make something annoying it's logistics they won't do it you want to jump off that bridge but you don't want to be seen seen climbing over that exactly there is a certain part of human psychology that is just like that seems like a lot of work sure like that's that's really all it is that's really all taxes wind up being like you want it like we all want roads we want all of this shit but there's a certain point of like like the

soda tax in Chicago I think it was a good idea and I think it should have worked fine people bitched about it fifty fifty on it I know I agree I'm right there with you because I did work at a distributor when it was going down and the the the dynamics of it in terms of wholesale are really problematic exactly to the consumer I don't think it's that bad because like whenever I would buy soda I do think that it's fucked up that applied to seltzer that's fucked up that is fucked up

but at the same time like but that's just a poorly written law that's not like that's not like we were always going after big seltzer like when they weren't paying attention when it comes down to like wholesalers and how it will screw their business yeah I think there's a legitimate argument but in terms of the consumer paying a couple cents more per a cent more announced for sugary beverages I don't like I don't think that's legislating morality I think that does come into like

and I want to be I don't want to be this dick because like I drink soda and I drink beer and what have you right I I if you charged me more for it because of the burden that we all collectively add into the health system yeah that makes sense I I accept that we you and I pay how much more for cigarettes than people in Missouri like at least twice as much yeah at least at least twice as much and you know what I'm fucking fine with that I'm not happy but I accept I'm super

not happy about it but I get it and it makes sense now I I hope all that money goes to the right places but that's another conversation does not but that's another conversation but that's as as an ideal of like look if you're going to make decisions that burden everybody else more you should of course pay more to burden other people in order to lighten that burden for other people and like it just seems and it's polite taxes are politeness and now the flip side of that is you see this out

of like European countries a lot like people with the perspective of like I know that my my taxes are higher because more of it goes towards protecting people who need help right and I don't care right that sort of thing that's that's right where I live I don't really give a shit look if I have to pay more and I'm not saying that is like I'm I'm a good person it just seems like how a society should operate think of it really really simply like the most simple form of

that we live in Chicago imagine you paid 10% more of your income and taxes and you never saw another homeless person well I know because that that makes it seem like the impetus is never seeing homeless people and that's but that is my point well but right doesn't your motivation is I don't want to see homeless people then fuck you but I don't care what your motivation is if you're willing strongly willing look we can get into ethical arguments about determination anytime you want

now we're back to cotton Kierkegaard there we are Dan and Jordan the new cotton Kierkegaard is the least watch show on TV but but the point being if that's if that's the motivation that you really have which it seems like for a lot of people who are anti-tax it's always about well it's not going towards what I wanted to go towards if if you're so craven and so miserable that all you really want is like I'm mad that I have to walk by 30 fucking homeless people every day fine pay 10% more in

taxes and you'll never have to do that again so what so what better so our tax is bad like what are you talking about the better version of that when you started this allegory or this sort of thought experiment I would have gone with is you pay 10% more in taxes and then everyone gets a good education that's what I would have gone with but you know what your point remains but that's not that's not how people think no but your point remains how many people bitch about property taxes how

many people bitch about property taxes even though they know it goes towards schools right like how insane is that yeah you know that this goes towards only helping your own children your own neighborhood and the children of others and you're still like oh I don't want to pay 8% in the most seriously no one complains about the lottery yeah no good the only complain about the people who are dumb enough to famously described as a tax on the dumb yeah and that's the only who

cares don't ask me anyway I'm not a good person to ask in this regard we've spun way out of control but the point I wanted to make about this tax Supreme Court thing is that the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare is covered under the commerce clause yeah and it's maybe definable as a tax but it's entirely justified and it's the only thing that makes sense yeah because why would you but look the whole point of the yeah continue it's it's a specific thing that Alex is

calling out that insurance is a tax and that's not true it's true in in the case of this specific Supreme Court decision which is about the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare that they determined it was largely definable as a tax yeah insurance itself is not a tax car insurance isn't a tax your health care if you have insurance outside of Obamacare or inside of Obamacare isn't a tax other insurances home insurance renters insurance that's not a tax

do you know what they are tax is not I'm sorry insurance is not tax so Alex making that argument as a shut up Max Kaiser yeah with the gun shit that's not his argument falls apart furthermore insurance itself is a socialist concept the idea of insurance is you are subsidizing people who need help it is the larger group of people the the more almost everything about society is a slight socialist the more insane idea is that you are mad about gun insurance and not

about health insurance you're paying money for a profiting company to get money from you when you could just be paying the government a smaller amount in order to make sure that this happens sovereignty instead of that shit instead of people having to deal with pre existing condition bullshit or any number of Byzantine laws to keep them from getting the benefit that they themselves have paid into this entire time you're like oh it's a tax prosperity fuck you

prosperity fuck you sovereignty prosperity people just don't even understand what socialism means you know we should just say is Alex is into the sovereignty gospel because he does that like you know like he talks about the glitter bug churches and that's the that's the prosperity gospel that's the the and his his idea is instead of donating money to a church to get your own money I mean donate money to me he's even so I can type to info wars yeah like oh he's just the sovereignty

preacher and and that is a good way of putting it to a certain extent to a certain extent just this week I know that this sounds crazy because it's been 11 I'm excited whenever you start a sentence with it sounds crazy but just this week it kind of dawned on me how one to one it is just the you flatter him and it works out right he loves you right and what made it so clear is this shit with the nation of Islam because for the last 11 months that we've been going through this he's

been screaming about the nation of Islam and he hates them of course he hates them he thinks that they just think that white people are baby destroying every manufacturing systems they want the white people to cock them out etc exactly and and he goes in and they pretend that they like him and he's like fuck they're in they make a lot of sense they're the best I don't agree with everything they say but they make a lot of sense it dawns on me that like I don't know why we're doing this

podcast edit this part edit this part out that's on me though no like it does it does dawn on me that like this guy is so simple we're making this very complicated and he is more complicated than that but like yeah because of his I mean soft stance on Hitler and like there are those things there are those things that are like I still I still don't like the idea that there is a soft stance on Hitler but there are those things that are worth discussing it right and certainly right but at

the same time like I think I I think I said this in like maybe one of the first episodes we did is like so much of this I could have just assumed I think what we're doing everyone everyone out there who hates him is right but they're not right for the right reasons yeah and everyone who out there who hates him generally hasn't listened to him and they hate him for the wrong reasons right it's so complicated there's this thread I sincerely believe that I mean our society will fall in one day

or not historically speaking it has to it will yeah and I think that the one of the most interesting things will be the millions of people who were led astray by nothing yeah just nothing and he's not the first example of that they were not even close there were caught men there were PT Barnum's long time ago yeah and it's just we have the advantage of all of it being recorded right all of it is available right you can take him to task like back in the like PT Barnum again just because

I just said him like he wasn't on tape when he said no yeah we just get the advantage of like it's there I don't know I I mean ultimately based on our relationship as much as I love all of the policy walks out there we're doing this for Poster no it no I know it's it is a mix it is one of those things where we're not catching on there's no we're not hitting the zeitgeist I but at the same time there there is certainly a section of the the world that is interested in and analysis of

well it is it is just this might be an off air conversation there's possible there's so many things where you can take a very very specific subject and by looking at that subject you can extrapolate the world sure and this is what I see our podcast as I just taught you all about HP Lovecraft exactly we through through this tiny little box the prism through the tiny little box we can see the world and it's become so much clearer when you have this kind of small real like it's all right

like I'm all right I'm going to be I'm going to be super lame right I want you to do that but before you do that I want to say like to respond to what you're saying like I'm interested in truth I'm super interested in truth yeah as like evidence by all my pedantic conversations about all of our listeners disagree with you I'm super hate you never believe I'm super interested in what's real yeah and the best way I think to discuss that is talking about someone who's totally full of shit exactly

because because you have these like the juxtaposition well like and and I mean where Alex is right again the kernel of right that leads to falsity yeah like the media sucks yeah like you you have all this stuff on social media on Twitter on Facebook all these stories that are not true that just pander to whatever your preexisting condition is or what your mentality is right like there were so many things about like trying to rebut the Dona Brazil stuff right that oh my god fucking kill me there's

so much stuff and I get it I get it and you and I sitting around trying to do a progressive show would be a disaster because if we if we tried to just like oh do you mean if we tried to do an analog of Alex's show no as progressive no if we tried to do a news show it would be a disaster oh you and I know because everything moves so goddamn fast oh yeah it'd be like what do we cover and we'd get tricked by things probably yeah I mean you have the immediacy of needing to do the show right

whereas there's a certain economic and output we have an anchor of a complete liar yeah and you can find truth from pinging off that liar yes and sometimes they're not lying it's very rare but sometimes they're not lying right the other times you get to see what is their presentation look into it right find the truth right and that that to me is a much better that's what the news maybe need to maybe needs to become yeah is essentially debunking bullshit and there are two truths I think we can draw from this

podcast first poor Eddie Bravo that idiot such a sweet man such such a stupid man yeah second dinosaurs second you can follow us on at knowledge underscore fight oh George trying to end the show there it is yeah you can go to our website knowledge fight dot com you can go to iTunes you can download our podcast you can leave a review you can do all kinds of fun things yep we're on Facebook we are on Facebook and then I think the ultimate second truth mm-hmm that I was getting towards mm-hmm was

that unlike Eddie Bravo mm-hmm a poor sweet innocent idiot fooled by this complicated world strongly disagree with wherever you're going this poor fool wrongly disagree with who has no chance of surviving in this life unlike him there are evil man oh oh oh now I'm back there are bearded evil man okay there are men I thought you were trying to present the bearded guy as a fucking sympathetic figure how dare you how dare you miss under I said unlike poor Eddie Bravo anyways I I accept your apology even though it is tacitly

not given I miss her there are there are these men who just refused to hang up pictures mm-hmm who just who when they were young had all of their teeth removed mm-hmm and replaced by a CIA dentist insist on counseling Owen shroyer through existential crisis oh they've given so many Owen shroyer's vaccines and then deny that vaccines work this is one of the clean vaccines oh exactly as it rhymes there's a kernel of truth to it and I'll tell you about this guy mm-hmm I'll tell you Dan John Rappaport can go

fuck himself in this case I agree Andy and Kansas you're on the earth thanks for holding well Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you