Knowledge Fight - #101: January 11, 2016

Episode Date: November 13, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan about the day that Alex Jones first showed the indications that he had made the giant pivot from "supporting Trump" to "being a full-on Trump propagandist." Coincidentally (we're sure), Roger Stone happens to be a guest that day. Beyond that, Alex wrestles with how David Bowie's death is really about his CIA-Dentist father.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Alex. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We are a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed. That is what we do, Dan. Indeed. We do it every time. Oh, pretty much every time. That's true. We don't do it every time. We've done it differently. Rip it times. Rip it. We're just going to talk over each other. This might have a terrible rhythm for the day. Jordan, today we're drinking rip it. And I told you before the show that the reason you as a goof and maybe to attack me got me a patriotic

so defensive already off to a defensive start. You got me a patriotic themed can of rip it one time. Yes. And I went to the store and I was looking for a novelty beverage for us to drink earlier. Right. Right. And I can't probably patriotically. I came upon the cans of rip it energy drink and I've never really looked at them. Almost all of them have sexual names. Really? Yes. So this one is three way. Okay. There's a bunch of like really suggestive e like pervy energy drink names. I did not know. I was like, we got to celebrate that. All right. We got to give that a rip it. Yeah, indeed. Speaking of something else, we got to rip. You just also you just rattle off the name of a modern post story when I came upon

a bottle of rip it. Indeed. I am a modern day poet. Uh huh. So before we get going at the show, we got to give a couple of shout outs to a couple of new policy walks. What we got a couple of new donations like to give a shout out to what's up, Jim. I'm a policy walk. Thank you for joining up with the team. Jim. Welcome aboard. Jimmy. Also, I like to like to turn James. Like to call Jim's Jim macho, he man, donkey wrestler. Tim becomes Timmy. Any of those like any name that can have that can be extended will be problem is the next one's not going to work. Okay. And you'll see why. Let's give a shout out to our other new policy walk. What's going on out there, Chris. I'm a policy walk. Hey, Chrissy. How you doing?

It doesn't work nearly as well. It doesn't work nearly as well. Um, so thank you very much for joining up Chris. If you'd like to be welcome to the ranks of the policy walk. Indeed. If you'd like to become one yourself, you may go to our website, knowledge fight.com, click, support the show. And then you can become a policy walk. That's basically that simple. Anyway, it happens really quickly. Like there isn't a long, there isn't a long form you need to fill out. You don't need to mail anything. There's no delivery, no rebates are involved, no CODs, no, no, no return envelopes, nothing. It's just like, boom, like that. You're a policy walk. FedEx will follow you around for a week. Sure. It's a very strange arrangement we have.

It's in the fine print. It's legal. Yep. Um, if you get out of line, they will pick you up and send you back to us. It's a very weird thing. Speaking of out of line, I'd like you to check out today is out of context clip. And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. Nico, as producer, I know I ask you to help me when I get off track because there really is no program director here. It's me, but I am out of control. Hey, I asked you to help me out because there's really, I should hire people to do, to do a good job. But I don't know what I'm doing, but it's me and I, I, I am a fraud. No, I don't know what I'm doing on a day. Oh, are we still on air? Oh boy. So today's episode, Jordan, we're going to be going

over the January 11th, 2016 episode. Oh, we're back in the past. We are. And thank goodness. Thank God. Yeah. Now, when we go back to January 11th, last, last one in the past, we did end it on January 7th. And he had a couple of days where David Knight hosted and skip over those. And we get to with the 11th and the world is reeling on January 11th because right, right before that, I believe on the 10th, David Bowie had passed away and the world is in mourning. And Alex Jones at the beginning of his show, God, no, don't talk about David Bowie sites to eulogize David Bowie. No, I don't want Alex Jones eulogizing David Bowie. It's very weird. It's not as bad as you might expect, but it's very weird. All right. So there goes David Bowie

making the jump in the hyperspace didn't agree with a lot of his politics, but definitely very, very talented artist. And I tell you, you can't get a more English or Welsh name than his real name. We're sorry to see him go condolences to his family. Good lyrics. We just want to talk about real name was David Jones. That's why the old British Navy called the bottom of the ocean Davy Jones's locker because so many Joneses went to the bottom of the sea. That's the most common name, at least in olden times in Jolly Old England is David Jones. That's my dad's name. I wonder why my grandparents gave him the most common name. There is so much history at least in Jolly Old England, but David Jones at age 69 is dead and it's not my father.

But I got up to 630 when I turned on the computer, David Bowie's dad real name David Jones. I knew his name was David Jones. But when you look at it and basically the same age as my dad, it gives you a jolt that man, I want my dad to be around as long as he can be that that's my personal angle on the whole David Bowie situation. That's your angle. That's your angle on the David Bowie situation. Not like you said, there's no there's no moment where he's like condolences or like he made a monumental impact on art in the world. The closest he comes to it is those some good lyrics. My take on the whole David Bowie situation is I don't want my dad to die. I experienced one of the biggest celebrities of the last 50 years who happened to have the

same name as my dad die. And the only thing I can think about is hope my dad doesn't die to all of the millions of people who have been affected by his music, which he has changed genres multiple times. He has extended rights for people who generally didn't have them as a very public trans representative icon there as well. He's done so many amazing things more than more hit records than you could possibly imagine. But you know what, I just don't want my dad to die. It's fair enough. Hey, and if you think that that was just a stray thought, he revisits the team later in the show and David Jones died yesterday and I'm glad it wasn't my dad. It was David Bowie. What are you talking about? That was his real name. Great. It doesn't

matter. No. How could you make David Bowie dying about? Oh, wait, no, never mind. Of course. I was there whenever David Bowie died. And I think everybody made it about them. Holy shit. I wish, first thing I thought was, I hope it wasn't Alex's dad. I know where I was when I got the news that David Jones, who might have been Alex Jones' dad died. Oh my God. It was everywhere. I mean, I'm glad that we can have this kind of fun buffoonery because this episode is going to go bad. I'm just glad that we can have these flickers of just him being an idiot amidst very deeply problematic things that happen on this episode. So like I said, we're back in 2016 because I'm trying to figure out the transition from accepting Trump around the middle of December 2015 to when

does he go whole hog right to Renaissance 2.0. Americano returns from the dead. Yep. And I believe that coming for you, not white people. I believe it happens on January 11th. Okay. I think it took him two weeks. That sounds about, that sounds long for our narrative transitions, right? It's true. You should have cooked that up in a weekend. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. You're going to hear a couple things in this episode that I think are like, well, the jump has happened. And I think it makes it clear what the jump is because Roger Stone is a guest on this episode. And I think that Alex accidentally makes way too clear that all of it is just Roger Stone spittin' in his ear. But also on the 11th today that we're going over and the 12th, two massive narratives begin. Okay.

On the 12th, he has the guy who created Clinton Cash on the guy who wrote that book. Oh, okay. And he thought that was another cryptocurrency that we have. It's like Max coin. Yeah, exactly. No, it's it's that book about Clinton, the Clinton family's dirty deeds that were not done dirt cheap. Bon Scott guy name is my dad. So I hope he doesn't die. No. We have he comes on and he talks about the uranium one deal. And so that narrative gets introduced on January 12. Right. Now let's see what I'm glad that it stayed right where it belonged in the past because the garbage there's really nothing to do with it. I'm sure that there's

no way that they've run with that narrative for what time is it? Oh, boy. So here's the narrative that gets launched on January 11. I'm going to get into all the huge news here in a moment. But here's MIT technology review. This is propaganda. I have seen similar articles from MIT and from BBC. And from other prestigious publications for 20 years since I became a newshound and began reading up to 10 newspapers a day back at that time. Now it's even more the instant I saw this headline and what it was, but I didn't just believe myself. I read the article about reading newspapers. You're not really you would have heard this

on the show if you've just been listening a year, probably 50 times. If you've been listening 10 years, you've probably heard thousands of times. Yep. Agreed. So they should talk about it even more. All the rest of what we look at is window dressing. You've got nothing. Human Animal Chimeras, there it is, on U.S. Research Farms. So that article that he cites the headline of all the time came out on January 10th. Okay. So he now has a headline to read that verifies all of this stuff he's been yelling. Chimeras for and he claims that he comes across hundreds of articles about this. Yes. Possibly be the case because he only references this article ever. Right. Well, didn't you know that they it happened on the day

like what was it January 10th? Did you know that was inaugural? Every headline is the exact same headline day. I didn't know that. Yeah. Every newspaper in the world published that exact headline. We got to stop it with these national days. National pepperoni pizza day, national every headline matches day. That's that's the name of my dad. I don't want him to die. I don't know. National pepperoni pizza. Let's finish up this clip. And then I knew what the next line would be. They're growing human tissue in cows and pigs. Just like they call babies tissue or embryonic stem cells when they're seven months old being butchered live on a table and dissected. They take them out live and then hook them up to

apparatus to keep them alive and then and then that was the only time Facebook live 20 years ago. Love that. Now it's mainstream news riveting. I've told you this thousands of times and I've seen this article. Let's not exaggerate 100 plus times similar. It's always the same playbook. Oh, did you know some firms are starting to implant tissue inside cows inside pigs? Ladies and gentlemen, they're not implanting. They're growing humanoids up to 50 and 60 pounds inside cows and inside pigs. I'm going to say something else right now. That's what we know was going on 30 years ago because when I learned about it 20 years ago, it was in research papers declassified 10 years before that. This is a math problem. I don't care to do. Yeah, that's

hold on. Now let's get into this. All right. So you're growing humanoids. Right. Do you want them to look humanoid? He does say that it's humans without heads at some point. All right. They don't want to have heads on them because it's too freaky to the researcher. Oh, you might give him a name and then you're fucked. Exactly. Yeah, I can't do that. It's terrible enough that they have those fish beings with human fear. Right. Such a bummer. I had a Christmas party with them one year. Fucking terrible. Ridiculous. Got felt up in the nevermind. 50 to 60 pounds. All right. What's the average human birth weight? About 10. I would say about 9 or 10. So this would be like a three year old. Even more than that. This would be a large headless humanoid.

Yeah, exactly. What kind of gestational period would you have to have in order to get something to 50 pounds? Also, why? Right. It's nonsense. But even if you read the article, that's not what it's about. None of these articles are about that. What could you posit other than like, if the scientists were just like, yeah, we want to see how big we could grow a person without a head and you guys wouldn't let us do it and Diane over there. So we picked a fucking cow. I don't know. That's the only legitimate reason for doing whatever it is he thinks. Well, see that that goes to Alex's argument though, because his whole thing about the chimeras is they're not humans. They're not animals. They're the middle. So they have no rights. Right. Animals have rights. Humans

have rights. These guys don't. Well, see, so you're actually being like, this is a good reason to do it. They don't have rights. It's a fair look. It's not what's going on. What else are you doing? It's not what's going on. If you can be clear about that, if you can justify it in the budget, I'm all for growing headless humanoids and cows. Fair enough. You heard it here. The one soft soft. Yes. On white genocide. Yep. Okay. With headless chimeras being created. You nailed it. I saw full metal alchemist. I'm fine with it. I'm just excited that we found the day that that article came out and it sort of became a very big piece of Alex Jones's narratives. That's that's nice to track. I'm glad we have a reference point. The rest of this episode

is going to be a bit embarrassing. And I think a lot of it is going to demonstrate very fully that Alex Jones has taken a certain piece of bait. And it's changing him. And his perspective is starting to get overblown like like daddy shark. Chompa Chompa. That's not even the right sound effect. I think that I don't want to get biblical on it. But I think there's some sort of forbidden fruit that Alex has taken a bite of. And he's seeing the world a little bit differently. And it's not real. Okay. He's starting to get an illusory view of his own importance in the world and his place. And how I would describe it is he's come to a point where there are too many people manipulating him that he doesn't know what directions up. Right. And the chief manipulator

that's driving him in a specific direction is Roger Stone. Right. And in this next clip, I think you will be able to see pretty clearly that he has 100 percent taken Roger Stone's bait. Whatever Roger Stone dangled out in front of him, whatever promise of relevancy of making social change, he's in. Gotcha. Donald Trump leading in three big national polls, trouncing Hillary Clinton, 20 percent of Democrats coming over to him, devastating victory. I think he's for real. I think they may try to kill him. We have his shadow campaign head. I mean, Stone left the campaign so he can run things on his own, obviously, that the campaign can't do. You should not say that. Nope. That's incriminating. Super PACs and all the rest of it, but it's all completely kosher.

No, it's not. No, that's not. He can start torpedoes about Clinton ripping and then the bushes and their drug dealing. By the way, Stone, of course, was one of Nixon's top people, one of George Bush senior's top people. Already questionably illegal. One of the top Republican strategist in the country. That's why he works for Trump and he's gone full Alex Jones coming here on air just saying the government runs the drugs. World government, we've got to stop them. That's who's advising Trump. A guy that used to run U.S. operations troubling to get people elected in other countries, not just here. You probably get say that. Yes, real serious. So he, he, Roger Stone has presented himself in a certain way to Alex and Alex is loving as a king maker.

And if you parse through what Alex is saying there, I think you do get a little piece of truth. And then that argument that I've made that I believe he left the campaign in order to do exactly this, right? I think that's true. And I think Alex is expressing it, but very obviously, which he should not be doing, but he doesn't express it in terms of reality, which is Roger Stone left the campaign to flip me. That's what the reality of the situation is, right? Not that. Hey, he left to do good. He left. Yeah. He left to help the world or something like that. No, he went on a kung fu style journey. Right. He just wanders from a political campaign to political campaign. He, he left solving problem. He left because if he was

involved with the campaign, he couldn't be an arch propagandist. He couldn't. Well, maybe he could actually. I don't know. Is that legal? Would it be legal for him to work for info wars while running a presidential campaign? No, it would not be legal. Why is that? Because you can't work for a media outlet, something like that. Maybe seems you have to disclose your conflicts of interest. I don't, but they don't follow any other ethical rules at info wars. I don't see why that would be an issue. I don't know why they'd have a sticking point there, but be that as it may, it would come off as like, if he was still involved in the campaign, there's no way the credibility would be there for the audience. The way that he would still be involved in the

campaign is of course, through shady bullshit back deals, which is what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Like, uh, like the ones with, uh, with those people who can steal elections and the rich guys who can steal elections. Right. And the guy himself whose credits Alex just listed are stealing elections. And he's saying that he's gone overseas and helped run a sneak campaign. That's what I'm saying. And if we look at his, you know, people he's worked with, Paul Manafort, of course, the classic example is in the Ukraine, Yanukovych, then that was not, uh, not good. General Flynn and Turkey. Sure. And now that's starting to get flipped by the right wing media. Of course. Here's the fucking thing. It's totally fine because he's a dictator too.

Right. We love them here. We love them there. We love dictators everywhere. It's like, uh, the argument is being made by Alex now. And that means that I imagine Hannity soon, or maybe already, and I just haven't, uh, you know, heard attention to that asshole, uh, that, uh, Gulen, the, uh, cleric who, uh, who Flynn and, uh, Erdogan were trying to extradite illegally, right? Also known as kidnapping. I've heard that before, uh, to back to Turkey, uh, because, uh, no, Batman did it. Batman did it. Batman did it in the dark night. Remember Rappaport. No, no, no, no, the actual Batman. Oh yeah. Christopher Nolan's Batman. Batman flies to China and he steals that guy. That's totally not an international incident that people should

be worried about. The part of Batman part of Batman is predictive programming, getting us comfortable. Yeah. Wow. With the idea that it's fine for you to go to another country and extradite somebody illegally. I think adults would be a huge international incident. He was a high ranking banker. I think adults have always looked at Batman as sort of morally gray. I think there's always been like a grain of like, hmm, it's a little fucked up. Yeah. But I mean, in this regard, sure. The issue, at least the president would be called. The issue is that that's the sort of shit that stone and his associates have been involved in. And now he's, he's playing Alex perfectly. Right. I mean, we listened to on the last episode, I believe Roger Stone telling Alex

that Trump played him. Yeah. Yeah. This is Stone playing Alex for Trump as the interstitial, as the way of getting in the door. And now it's even more exciting for Roger in the present because he gets to openly, openly tell him to his face like, Hey, we tricked you and you can't even say anything about it because even if you knew you were being tricked, which you don't, you can't reveal that we tricked you because you're dumb. Because what's the most important thing to your ego and your masculinity? You admit that I've tricked you for two years. Oh, yeah. That's the most humbling thing in the world. Can't do that. No. I mean, Alex's only shot right now really is Roger Stone going down for some of this Russia stuff. Yeah. Alex not being indicted. Then he

can, then he can act like he was a, you know, secretly fighting against Roger Stone. I believed he meant well, you could, you could play that as like a, I got tricked. Or you could say he was an FBI agent all along. True. That would be the way to go. Like I got tricked by the globalists, by a sleeper globalist within the globalist cell that's been pretending to be Nixonites. This is not a good angle. No, it is not. But at the same time, let's not like war games our way accidentally into a strategy that could work for him. Let's, let's not put that kind of effort into this. Stop, stop trying to help info wars. Gotcha. But like, like I said, I believe that at this point, the beginning of January 2016, Alex doesn't know what directions up. He's got

Roger Stone pulling him in one direction. And then he has all sorts of other people who are pulling him in other directions. Right. As you can hear in this next clip, he's being fucked with by everybody. Shooter of Philadelphia, a policeman described as a quiet devote Muslim Reuters. But you watch Fox News and they're calling it extremist. And again, I didn't want the wars with Muslim countries. I don't think they're all bad people, but the folks they're bringing in that invaded Syria are the worst of the worst. And by the way, coming up, Paul Watson joins us and then I'm going to air three minutes from the exclusive hour plus long interview we're going to premiere here on air next Wednesday with my sit down interview with Lewis Farrakhan. And I had a feeling,

first time I ever asked to interview him from some of his speeches and things about, you know, Muhammad was a beautiful white man and some white people can be good and we need to work together really changing a lot of what he said. And I went and interviewed him and he basically said, I've changed. I do get mad and say some things I probably shouldn't, but I don't want a civil war. I don't want to race war. And so that's a big deal to have Lewis Farrakhan. I don't want to say we're influencing them, but I just got to tell you the facts. Folks, Vladimir Putin does listen. Lewis Farrakhan does listen. Matt Drudge listens. Everybody from Jeff Bridges to Kurt Russell to you. I mean, you name it. I mean,

I'm not bragging. I want you to know the info war is mega successful. I shot. That is right mentions yesterday. Just so as this nonchalant took me 15 minutes to shoot three of them live. You know how many views that had a million and a half yesterday on top of my radio show, the Sunday show reaches two million people. Terrestrially, this one about four million a day now, but not mentioning all the YouTube videos and podcasts we're reaching. I keep saying 20 million a week. We've been doing some of the numbers. It looks like about 28 million people actually tune in every week. So keep that in mind. Oh boy. So he's got this sense of inflated stats that are coming in. Right. He has the Vladimir Putin listens, which does not, which we

know comes probably from his contact with Russian intelligence. Right. When he thought he was going to an interview with RT and boom, it turned out to be a bunch of people sitting around a table debriefing him. Hey, listen to this next clip because it explains what happened with the nation of Islam when he went to go visit them. And this is embarrassing. Oh no, you can say what you want about Lewis Farrakhan a year ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, they take a lot of what he says out of context. Some of it I disagree with even in the context of the full clip. If you join the nation of Islam, he's trying to be diplomatic. And we're actually trying to build a better world. Does that mean I endorse everything Lewis Farrakhan says? Absolutely not. Same thing back at me.

But it's a big deal because he's one of the biggest black leaders in the world. He is a big deal. In fact, they say a profit's not known in their own country to have that quote. And that applies to people that aren't profits. But the point is that he's even bigger in Europe and Africa and places in the Middle East than he is here. So him coming out like that, saying the things he says is powerful about world government, new world order that he's been watching me for a long time, they would do stuff like turn a computer on. And then I'd already be on maybe hold us and they're like, we listen every day. We watch every day. I was up there in the big boardroom of these guys in the entire leadership of the nation of Islam, basically. And I recognize

these faces. A lot of them were very successful black business leaders, you know, people that were well known. And I was like, I recognize these people's faces. So these people that like own businesses, your big companies, you name it, like they were all super serious, super focused. I was shocked by it. Why? Why are they serious? They were a military commander or something. And so that was very refreshing compared to the brain dead public. Again, I'm not endorsing what they're saying or doing, but the globalist are the ones putting the cancer viruses and the vaccines. Great. He got played like a fiddle. Yeah, it's very easy to do, apparently. The idea. I mean, we've even talked about it because he's brought that story up in the past. They turned on computers

and oh my God, Alex Jones is on the computer. Right. That's a setup, baby. Oh, gotta see through that. That has the ring of like a plan in a heist movie, like in a con man movie. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They, they rent out an office and they do it up real nice for a day and then everything gets torn down. Everybody put up. All right, we got him. Now we can get into the Louvre. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. This is classic sort of softening techniques. This is absolutely like I'm on your side. Oh, oops. We weren't. We weren't reading info wars articles. You caught us. If there's one thing that I know about Lewis Farrakhan, it's that he's not thrilled with the Jews. If there's two things I know about him, it's that he's not thrilled with the Jews and that he's fairly

media savvy. He knows these these sorts of things. He's survived this long in a fairly hostile media landscape. Oh yeah, especially to him. Yeah, he knows some tricks. He's not going to like, he's not going to go into an interview with Alex and not have like some little tricks along the way right in order to make it a more hospitable situation. Of course. So I mean, he's got like, he's got Russia fucking with him on one hand. He's got Roger Stone fucking with him. Now he is the nation of Islam fucking with him for no reason. Like there's no end game to that one. Yeah, I know Lewis Farrakhan just was like, I'm bored. I'll accept an interview. Come on. Why the fuck not? I don't understand. Maybe I'll get some yokels to join the nation of Islam. It's possible.

I mean, I imagine he might have had the same agenda that Alex had in terms of the interview, which is maybe we can, we have very different audiences. Maybe some of your people will maybe we can cross pollinate. Yeah. But the only problem is that like Lewis Farrakhan, his positions are so specifically like it's fairly black supremacist. Yeah. And Alex's positions are which I am a soft no on. Alex's positions are solidly white supremacist. Yeah. If there is, I am a hard no on. There's not a lot of opportunity for cross pollination. No. So that seems foolish to me in terms of that strategy. I don't know why the other two, Russia, Roger Stone makes total sense. Maybe it's just for larger attention. I assume they both

imagine that if they were to sit down and talk to each other, other media outlets would pick it up and be like, look, it's Alex Jones talking to Lewis Farrakhan. Farrakhan gets more media exposure. Alex Jones gets more media exposure. It's a win-win for everybody, especially if Farrakhan comes off looking great. Yeah. It's a stunt. But then I think there's also a small part of probably both of their minds that they can reach détente by convincing the other one of something. Really? You know, I think they're probably, I haven't watched the whole interview. I've only seen the clips he's played. They can't just sit down and agree on anti-Semitism. It's like, hey, look, you think black people are the best. I think white people are the best. Let's just both agree to

hate the Jews. I think that might be what they agree on. I think that might be what they agree on. Globalists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what have you. Now in this next clip, Alex does a Lewis Farrakhan impression. Now I'm in. He told me in a private meeting, he said it wasn't off record, but we met for 45 minutes before the interview. He said, I think Donald Trump may be the answer to save America. But I don't know how to say it because he says things that are there. Is that Larry Nichols? So do I sometimes when I'm angry, but I think he really is outside the system and he could break it. But I'm not making fun of him. That's how he talks. I mean, I've been talking to him 10 minutes and he's endorsing Donald Trump. I mean, stay there, Paul. We'll be back.

So he's talking to Paul Joseph Watson, who's on the line there. And he says Lewis Farrakhan privately to him endorse Donald Trump. I'd like to read an interview with Lewis Farrakhan from the Final Call magazine. Final Call editor Richard B. Muhammad. This is a question that he's asking. Yes. Asalaamu alaykum. On behalf of the Final Call, on behalf of the Final Call newspaper, our staff and our readers, we thank you for granting us this interview. Many news outlets have reported or perhaps misreported that you praised, endorsed, supported or commended Donald Trump. What did you actually say? And what's your view on Donald Trump? Farrakhan, I never endorsed Mr. Trump. I think I'm going to need you to do it in the voice Alex. I can't do that.

That's it. That's degrading and embarrassing. I never endorsed Mr. Trump or any of the candidates who were running for the nomination that would make them the leader of their party. I said of Mr. Trump that I give him credit as the only one who stood in front of some members of the Jewish community and told them he did not need or want their money. Oh boy. Congratulations, Alex. Although, you know what? If you're Alex Jones and you hear Lewis Farrakhan say, I'm glad Donald Trump stood up to the Jews. You're like, Oh, well, you love Donald Trump then. Wait until you see all the other things he does to the Jews. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. He finished his answer by saying, I could never endorse any candidate

because not one of them is saying that which would save America from the wrath of Allah. Okay, cool. Everybody's really concerned about the wrath of other gods. Right. Everybody's really bummed out about God's wrath. Seems like gods are getting wrathful and people's imaginations. Maybe we try some better gods. You know what I'm saying? Some soft gods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To chill gods. Let's try like Poochy the dog is a god now. I'm into it. That's why he went to space. Okay. Yeah. He went back to his home planet. Okay. To be the god of earth now, like Thor. Poochy's like Thor. So everybody from now on, we worship Poochy the dog or Thor or Thor. I accept Thor. Okay. All right. And yeah, pray whenever you like or don't. I'm going to stick

with Cthulhu for now, but I appreciate your perspective. That's a wrathful guy too. Yeah, but he's asleep. He cares. He's down in Relier sleeping. I support any religion that's like our gods asleep. Don't even worry about it. He's asleep dreaming and he makes men dream so they know to be scared. Look, life is like the board game. Don't wake daddy. Right. That's what God is. A hundred percent. And it's also like ants in my pants. Absolutely. And don't break the ice. Don't. Damn it. I was just about to get down. Don't break the whole string of shit games, but now I got to get to guess who that's different. It's a different company. That'd be a very different form of guess. Oh, if one of them was God. Yeah.

I'm not. Is he omnipotent? Fuck. Shit. Got it again. So someone who's not omnipotent is Paul Joseph Watson. Great transition again. He comes in for an interview and it's about the Muslim rape crisis that's going on in Europe. And as we've discussed and broken down in some great detail in past episodes, a lot of this is overblowing statistics. There are issues certainly as there are in every country. Yeah. It's not some sort of migrant rape gang stuff. Right. A lot of that is fairly traceable back to Russian propaganda outlets because they would like to destabilize the European community and like to demonize Muslims and immigrants, the kind. So it's a hard thing to like it's a very difficult thing to talk about because you can't just be like there. This is

bullshit because no, this there is a huge problem with and this is the problem. It's a huge problem for everybody. So it's not like us being like, Hey, there's no Muslim crisis or there's no rape or anything like that. It's all propaganda. No, it's they are twisting it to make it look as if it is a certain religion as opposed to an entire gender, which is garbage. It's just the weaponization of misrepresentation of statistics. Exactly. And that's what Alex does with the all of these immigrants who are coming in or military aged men, of course, this stuff. He does not true. No, he does all that stuff. And it's it's a fun game makes him a lot of money. It's not true. Not true. But Paul Joseph Watson is talking about it. And then he cites a particular source

at the end of this. And it's deeply problematic. No, that's not good. Got the German interior minister saying that the mass sexual molestations which are up to 600 plus just the reported ones in Cologne and other cities, what's at least as awful in its own words are right wing people on internet message boards, posting criticism of migrants. That's what the German interior minister said. You had a libertarian blogger today called Christopher Cantwell, who said that Germans should have the right to own themselves to defend themselves against rapists and from fight. Do you know who that is? No, Christopher Cantwell. I think I've heard the name. You obviously have. I don't like it. He why do why do I get a feeling of dread when you say that name?

He was the Nazi who vice interviewed exactly right. And now there it is. Let's listen to Christopher Cantwell, the libertarian blogger that's called Joseph Watson clearly follows at the beginning of 2016. Oh boy. So when did you get into, as you said, the racial stuff? When Trayvon Martin case happened, you know, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice and all these different things happen every single case. It's some little black asshole behaving like a savage. We'll get back to this. Okay, Dan, we'll get back to this. But all right, I would like to stipulate that Paul Joseph Watson follows him and cites him as a libertarian blogger at the beginning of 2016. In this clip, he's asked, when did you get into the race stuff? He says around the time

of Trayvon Martin before 2016 way before 2016. And he gets himself in trouble shockingly enough with whatever, whatever problems I might have with my fellow white people. They generally are not inclined to such behavior. And you know, you got to kind of take that into consideration when you're when you're thinking about how to organize your society in Oklahoma City. Okay, so exactly, you have to go back to Oklahoma City to talk about a white act of terrorism, right? Okay, so so now you've managed to name three people. And I'm pretty sure Elliott Roger wasn't explicitly white, by the way. But the thing is, you remember the names of white bombers and mass shooters. Okay, can you tell me the name of all nine on the top of your head?

You can remember Dylan Rose's name. You can remember their white people were capable of violence. I didn't say capable. Of course, we're capable. I'm carrying a pistol. I go to the gym all the time. I'm trying to make myself more capable of violence. I'm here to spread ideas, talk in the hopes that somebody more capable will come along and do that somebody like Donald Trump, who does not give his daughter to a Jew. So Donald Trump, but like more races, a lot more races than Donald Trump. I don't think that you could feel about race the way I do. And watch that Kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl. So that's him before the Charlottesville rally. That's in the lead up to it. That's Christopher Cantwell, a source of information for

Paul Joseph Watson. Now let's listen to him getting interviewed after you know, the Charlottesville rally. It's almost refreshing to hear somebody like him say what most Republicans secretly think in their hearts. And clearly, you know, it's the kind of thing that Alex is cool with. Of course. And his employees are following, you know, sort of fountive information. I mean, it's weird that we agree on Jared Kushner for different reasons. Well, sure. I mean, you can take different roads to get to the same conclusions that I don't think. I don't think Ivanka is very beautiful. See, there we go. All right. All right. That's it. It's, you know, it's, it's always troubling in life when you agree with the point that someone sucks. You know,

you agree with someone who sucks that someone else sucks, right? But for totally, it's a disaster. So here's Christopher. I think Steven Spielberg and the whole Indiana Jones franchise went off the rails. Excellent. I agree with you in return of the Jedi. No. All right. I think Indiana Jones went off the rail when they made Nazis the bad guy. Hold on. No, I think it's the refrigerator. So here is Chris Cantwell after the Charlottesville rally just to give you a taste of how much of a douche this guy and douche isn't even strong enough of a word. No, I hope he dies. I'd say it was worth it. We knew that we were going to meet a lot of resistance. The fact that nobody on our side died. I hate you. I hadn't called that points for us. I hate you. The fact that

none of our people killed anybody unjustly. I hate you. Plus for us. And I think that we showed, we showed our rivals that we won't be cowed. But the car that struck a protester, that's unprovoked. That's not true. And you know that it's not true. You've seen the video. So I've seen a video. I don't know much about it. Can you describe what the video appears to show? Okay. So the video appears to show someone striking that vehicle when these animals attacked him again and he saw no way to get away from them except to hit the gas. And sadly, because our rivals are a bunch of stupid animals who don't pay attention, they couldn't just get out of the way of his car and some people got hurt. And that's unfortunate.

Great. So congratulations, Alex. I'm glad you're in bed with these people and pretend that you're not. You know what I'm saying? It's not good because this guy, this Chris Cantwell, didn't come up with these feelings a week before the Charlottesville rally. He had them in the beginning of 2016 when he was a quote libertarian blogger talking about having guns to arm yourself against Muslim rape gangs and what have you. What do we do with guys like that? I don't know, man. I don't know. Right. I don't know. It's not it's not like I want to like I we know what your answer is. No, well, okay. I like that. I like that as a amplification of the absurdity of what we do. But generally speaking, I

and I know this will break everybody's hearts. I like to believe in pacifism. Yeah, I don't think violence is the answer. Oh man, but that's not going to get the chat room to drink. But god damn it is violence. The answer with that guy. I feel like violence is the only answer with that guy. Well, when you talk about pacifism and then you wind up bringing up like World War Two where you're like, isn't that justified? Isn't that the only way that we would have solved things? Was there is there any diplomatic solution to a group of people committing genocide? And you're like, no, I guess I guess that really is the only situation. So if you're that guy, yeah, I think the only solution is for us to tear him limb from limb and eat his fingers. That gets me to my next

point. Eating fingers is good. Yep. No, there was a group called the radical camp, which is a group out of Poland that had a nationalist fascist rally over the weekend. Yeah, ironic that there's a lot of Polish Nazis. They grew to the rally was in about 60,000 people. And I mean, you'd be hard pressed to say that all of them were straight up Nazis, but a lot of them were straight up Nazis. Yeah. A quote from one of the counter protesters was it's getting more and more vicious. Jacob, there's too many Y's and Z's in that name. I can't do it. One of about a dozen counter protesters standing behind a banner that read we are Polish Jews and surrounded by police quote we are really in fear. Now listen to this. The radical camps followers argue on their social media accounts

and in their literature that the influx of Syrian refugees into Europe is part of a conspiracy driven by the globalists who are working with communists in the European Union to bring Muslims into Europe and with them Sharia law and homosexuality. Man, are they getting American news media? All right, hold on one second. I actually lied in that clip. It says that the Syrian refugees floated into your globalists. They said Jews didn't they? Yep. Oh, it's the same fucking shit in that. Mm hmm. God damn it. If you just trade trade that one word out, you have exactly the narrative that Alex Jones pitches. It's his entire worldview. Just change the word globalist for Jews. And it's coming out of the mouth of legit Nazis rallying in the middle of Europe.

So, man, sweet. We got a problem. Nazis is like a disease. It's like a brain disease. Like it's something that people got infected with like, and that's what I make the argument about the globalist. Yeah, we were tech. We were texting about this the other night. The pez is is just insane. We were texting about this the other night, the realization that I had that I do believe that given a week or so to pivot the narrative, Alex could convert all of his audience, not all of it, but a bunch of them into straight up Nazis. Yeah, he could say something along the lines of like, guys, I've been thinking about it. There's just too many Jews in the globalist structure. It must be something

about them. He could use some sort of rhetoric like that and pivot his audience into a legit Nazi party. Yeah. And it would not, it would only probably turn off about 20% of his audience, if that so that's that's what is underneath the surface of how scared I feel and how motivated I feel to to let people see Alex for who he really is right and see the narratives that he pitches and deconstruct where they come from and why he's lying. And that's also why it really bums me out and people just want to laugh at him because I don't know he's a Nazi people laughed at Hitler before he rose to power. There are all those articles about him. You can find looking through the Lexis Nexus and what have you about to which everybody has a password now apparently

if Alex has one and fucking everybody does socialism for Lexis Nexus passwords. Yeah. So I mean, like I don't think that Alex is going to rise up and become a Nazi leader. I'm just saying and I don't actually, I don't think he would do that, but it wouldn't be hard. No, it's a very close leap rhetorically from where he's at and how much he's radicalized his audience to follow him. I mean, we're seeing this in the beginning of 2016. How easy it is for him to go from Trump is a fucking con man runs casinos involved with the mob. His audience calls in and they all mirror that he gets on board with Trump and his audience gets on board with Trump. Right. But wouldn't you say that essentially his audience already is Nazis? Like he's just using

like that's what he couldn't convince them to turn to like, Hey guys, we're going to wear swastikas now. I don't think he could do that. But he was like, Hey guys, we're going to wear upside down swastikas now, which coincidentally look like regular old swastikas, but they're upside down swastikas because we're we're anti Nazis, right? Maybe I don't know. It's just though the word is what it's it's really just in the American rights mind. It's just the word Nazi that is bothersome, right? All of the things that Nazis believed and said and still believe and say, those are all fine. But if you call them Nazis, then they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're even seeing now like people coming out and being like, I mean, a lot of this is probably

just Twitter outrage. And I'm not sure if thinking people on the right or making this argument, but are there? I don't know. But you're seeing people coming out and saying that like Nazi is essentially just a word that's being used to almost as a racial slur for white people. Right. And the reason that I wanted to get into this is that we I mean, we we throw the word around a little liberally. And the reason for that is because we're accurate. It matches up. That's why and it behooves us to take a moment to recognize it when there are examples like this. And the weekend after this legit Nazi rally in Poland, yeah, that's 60,000 is a terrifying number. It is a terrifying number. But if Alex mobilized his audience in such a way that I am

theorizing could happen, it would be way more than 60,000 people. Granted, most of them are immobile and in small towns. So there is that going for us. I assume though, plenty of them have guns, which is the last thing you want a large group of white Nazis to have. Certainly. So let's get off this. Let's say let's move along because Roger Stone comes in and in this episode, we're not going to listen to much of Roger because it's kind of nonsense. And he just talks about how like, like Clinton, like his victims were high class people. And so that makes them more deserving of attention. He talks about how Clinton as a love child and he can prove it and Webster does not do that. Nope. Webster Hubble is Chelsea's dad,

all this stuff. That's fun. Yeah, I like that. So we are going to listen to this because Alex plugs Roger Stone's book and in doing so, he accidentally reveals that he knows that another one of his contributors, their book was a lie by the book. You need to give it to local talk show host and other opinion makers. You need to give it to the women in your life. You need to give it to Democrats. You need to read the book, become an expert on how he refresh your memory on it and then call into other shows saying I read in the book or here's the news article in the book and talk about it. Tell talk show host you want to discuss it and here's the deal. And we're going to go into our guest. Roger Stone was here months ago telling me, hey, listen,

I've left the Trump campaign as a chief advisor because I want to be able to do whatever I want and I'm putting out a book on the rape that's going to take down the Clintons and I'm putting one out on the bushes that are going to take them out of the way for Trump. But he goes, I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. So you can debate all day whether Kerry was really a coward and the whole swift boat deal that Dr. Corsi put out. This is the real swift boat folks of the Clintons and the bushes. You need to get the book infowarstore.com. So it ends with a slight plug for the fact that they're selling the book. Hey, listen, Corsi made all that bullshit up. But Stone, you can trust Stone. This one's real. I definitely didn't lie to you guys before with

that Corsi book. I'm definitely not lying to you guys now with his old stone book next election cycle. Corsi comes out with a book that smears whatever the Democrat candidate is and he's like, now Roger Stone last time he had that crazy dumbass book back then you can say whatever you want about that. But this time Corsi's got real goods. I know on that Corsi book from before he didn't have anything. Everyone will have forgotten Kerry. Oh, of course by 2020 no one's going to remember. So that's fucked up. That's so fucked up. He's admitting this might not have been real. Yep. Corsi doesn't matter. Reality is fungible. Yep, absolutely. So now here is the clip that made me realize that Alex has pivoted. He has transitioned that he is a full on Trump

propagandist on January 11. I was about to say that that you've been a big insider but always very principled standing up for real conservative and libertarian ideals. But you look at most these people, they're just Democrats who want to control the Republican Party. And that's why finally about three months ago, you know, started coming over to Trump because there wasn't any other strong leadership. There wasn't anybody telling like it was. There wasn't anybody going up against political correctness. There wasn't anybody pointing out we have all these bad tariff deals and all these deals that ensure our jobs will go. But the coup de grace was money doesn't lie. He's not getting any big hedge fund money. He's not getting any big money. He had tons of

money from Robert Mercer. Wow. All the big money's going to Hillary or Jeff Bush or Rubio. That's all you need to know. Trump or die. I mean, that's it. I'm sorry. I mean, I like Rand Paul. I like Cruz. Cruz might have a shot. I hope he becomes Trump's VP. We've got to get behind Trump. It's just true. It's a fact. And I'm not going to sit here like a coward on the sidelines and then you know, just join the whole chorus attacking him because it's the right thing to do to stand with Trump. No, I'm going to do the cowardly thing and let everything I've ever stood for be destroyed by this fucking orange monster. I will let my entire reputation be cooked. Yeah, essentially. Well, I mean, his reputation wasn't good to begin with, but be that as it may, they're

it's, it's the beginnings of it. We don't have Americana 2.0 17. He does like once you say, once you say Trump or die, we're we're in that we're in that zone. That's proto. That's proto 1776 2.0. Yeah, it's proto 2017. Alex late 2016. Yeah, he's there already. And it's just because I don't know, maybe he's just trying to impress Roger Stone, whatever, whatever the case is. But he just likes assholes. I think that I have a clip I'm going to play at the end of the episode. And I think I have a pretty robust theory as to what the reality behind all of this is. And I think raptors, definitely raptors. There we go. Alex just had a surplus of chocolate. And the raptors came in and now they're wearing Alex's skin. That's why you get all weird and

top heavy. That's where they're keeping their tiny little arms and his in his barrel chest. The globalists aren't Jews. They're reptoids. They're reptoids. Yeah. That's why he has David Ike on a bunch. So before we get to that clip that I think we'll sort of spell out what I believe is going on, we have two clips that are you could call them fun, but they're Alex just getting lost and saying weird shit. That's fun, which is it's as close as we get to fun. That's fun. Yeah. Racist Hispanics, blacks, whatever, attack them because I'm white. It doesn't mean I have to stand up against their racism. I don't hate them because of what group they're in. Just like when I've been working in East Texas and you know, actually had people walk over

in a Dairy Queen. This hadn't happened in a public pool when I was younger as well. Two times. And say, where were the cook? Let's plan. You're in Yankee. You need to get out of here. And they were really mad both times because when I was 13, I had had already asked out the local beauty queen. Even though I was just down there for the summer, I went her parents drove us over to the, you know, tea pool and Texas pool 20 miles away to go to a city pool and you know, some of the buck toothed white trash came over and we're like buck toothed out of here Yankee because I was there pretty, you know, the beauty queen. Another time a few years later, I was down there working on a ranch and took a good looking girl to Dairy Queen

and had the same type of guys come in and go, who are you? I said, listen, there's three of y'all. And I got up and I said, my family founded this county. I said, I bet you come from carpet baggers. Now you go get your truck for I knock your teeth in. And then we all pulled out our KKK hoods and had a good old Dairy Queen fucking peanut buster parfait. My friend, I'm glad you could pull out the funny named Dairy Queen. Oh, I got it. Come on. Come on, man. I mean, it just goes to Alex's fun narratives about all the trouble he had because he was too hot growing up and, but we know that you can't eat a peanut buster parfait wearing your KKK out of form out of outfit. No, that's not true. You get a lot of fudge all over everything. People wouldn't take

you seriously. Clan robe works as a bib. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that at the clan barbecues. Yeah, that's why they wear it. Hey, I would have suggested wearing something darker. Hides the stains better. But you know what, guys? Nice, nice bit of Clorox bleach on there. You'll be just pan out. You'll be back to white supremacy in no time. No time sharp sharp. So at the end of that clip, he's like, I'll beat you guys all up. Now I just I see that ad in like the dystopian future that we're going to live in next year. There's going to be like a target ad like, are your KKK hoods a little bit rusty? Honey, did you use your robe as a bib again? Honey, they had baked beans. Yep. With that same bearded guy. Is it every commercial now?

So at the end of that clip, Alex was saying he's going to beat up all these guys and then he's like, excuse me, excuse me. I shouldn't fade back into that. I don't want to get lost in memory. No, no, no, absolutely not. Because the point of this memory was I'm not in the KKK, maybe. Yeah. And I like to beat people up. And I like to fuck. I like to fuck and I like to fight. And in this next clip that came from not very long after this, he descends into more violent fantasies. The point I'm getting at is anything can become a click. And I've had Mexican gangs, black gangs, white gangs mess with me. I've definitely had more fights with black gangs. Maybe you're a dick. And racist black people than the other groups combined.

Because Dallas black folks, the ones that were racist had a real big chip on their shoulder. Oh boy. And all I can say is I'm not like these yuppies and people that just lay down on the ground when somebody starts attacking them. And that's why a lot of the racist groups that go out and prey on white people, they go out and pick hippies and trendies because they know they're going to lay down and not fight back. Folks don't mess with, you know, white guy with a cowboy hat and a Ford truck or a Chevy truck because they know there's a gun in there. And I think that's just the answer to society is people be armed so nobody can be picked on by gangs and different criminal groups. Wade had a lot of folks that are friends that are love motorcycles. Think about

that for two more seconds around a rally or something to run to some seedy folks that will start a fight with you with the gang have more guns than you stand there with your wife and kids. Wouldn't it be more important to have a gang thinking you're going to back down? If everyone had guns, because there's 15 of them, you would want a posse. It's actually very exciting to have 15 people start to fight with you. No, it is not. It just makes me feel like King Kong, man. You said the n words or something like that happens. And then it's, you know, flip the switch. I mean, it is just like cave man time higher than a kite, the minute overwhelming groups threaten me. I just like turned into an animal. Your kind

needs to go. We're losing that. And I'm so glad that I'm primal. I'm not. He goes into a long treatise after that. I'm so glad that I'm an unevolved pro magnum man. He goes into a long treatise at that point about how like, we need, look, we're going the wrong way as a society. We don't know how to skin a buck, run a trot line. We don't know how we don't know how to, we don't know how to clean a stove. Just go, go to the forest. So we'd never have to see you again. You're not allowed to have the internet. If that's what you believe, sure. Fine. Go unabomber it somewhere else. Yeah. And why do you make millions of dollars selling new tropics? Yeah, exactly. Bizarre, uh, false science. Listen, nobody knows how to clean a bore anymore. But let

me tell you something. You take some brain force. Yeah. That'll teach you how to clean a bore back in caveman days. They all had secret 12 back in caveman days. They drink real bone broth, Dan. Well, to be fair, he would make that argument. He would make that argument. So, we're coming to the end here this episode. We have one more clip. And what I, what I think is going on is Alex is living in the beginning of 2016 in a tremendous confluence of influences that he doesn't know how to negotiate. And beyond that, there are forces at play that he doesn't realize are at play. I don't know how to describe that exactly without playing this clip. So I'm going to play this clip and then I'll explain. I thought I could do it, but I thought I could do

it as setup, but I can't. No, here we go. It's gotta be punchline. Cultural victories. And when we have a big director on, or we have a big actor on, or we learn that Kurt Russell's a pro-second amendment, 1776er. He says, I'm not liberal. I'm not conservative. I'm a 1776er. I'm George Washington. Like Allen Iverson. To lover. You know, and we, of course, infer he's a listener and so many others. And you find out that, uh, you know, the dude's a listener. Yes. I mean, Mr. Lebowski himself, um, it just shows how popular the Liberty movement is. Not just the metrics that we're reaching more than 20 million people a week. I don't want to say 28 million. It just sounds so crazy. In fact, we're looking at the metrics. It's even more wild than that.

So we're going to have a bunch of experts come in and look at it all, but the graphs are like this last six months, just straight up. It is meteoric. So, so like 10 people left. Listen, like it's more wild than you could ever imagine because it's like 10. Nope. It's like Dave Andy, Frankie B. Frankie Eddie Bravo, but that's just because he doesn't know how to change the channel. Right. Uh, Donnie Wahlberg, Donnie Mark Wahlberg, but only because he has to monitor what Donnie is listening to. Uh, that's just called being a good parent. And then, oh, by the way, Mark Wahlberg is actually Donnie Wahlberg's father. This is a conspiracy that I can get by. This is true. So when he's talking about the ratings,

he does this like, he does the upwards motion 90 degree angle 45 degree angle. He does what is essentially a Nazi salute. Oh, come on. Let's not give him, let's not, let's not descend to, you know, accurate name calling. We can, we can pin the rhetoric that's Nazi on him, but hand gestures. Let's leave that. All right. Fine. Fine. So here, here's what I think is going on. He says in the last six months, the numbers have been absolutely crazy. Now, if you go to sites like Alexa and you go to sites like Quodcast and you go back to that period, there isn't a meteoric jump. And you know why? Those sites use verified statistics. So what you might be saying is that right around the time when the Russian started

interfering with the election, perhaps they created a signal boost of people who had pro-Putin ideas, therefore inflating their influence and numbers, suggesting that perhaps Alex doesn't really have that many listeners. He is instead beholden to the Russian bot farms. Alex is seeing this. Is that a succinct summation? Alex is seeing a meteoric jump in statistics. Around the time our intelligence agencies have said that it was when they started these operations, these influence campaigns, that six month period is right in that window. I do not think that there is a coincidence that Alex Jones is one of the most pro-Russian voices outside of Dana Rohrbacher in media. Dana's not even in media. But that is not a coincidence. No. And the Russian people

telling him that Putin listens. Roger Stone, coincidentally coming in and giving Alex all this. It's too much. The timing of it is all very, very suspicious. It's too obvious. It kind of is. It's kind of hurtful. Yeah. It's really pathetic. I still don't know how to work the nation of Islam into it though. And I don't think they are. I think that's a red herring. You think the nation of Islam is a red herring? In terms of our investigation, yes. I think that's a weird anomaly that just happened. I don't think it's relevant. So if we're in the mystery van, this is old man Jenkins. This is an old man murder half. Yes. Okay. Certainly. And it's interesting to me because I think at this point, Alex is entirely oblivious of it.

And I don't know if he ever becomes aware. But the extent to which he gets scared in the present isn't there at the beginning of 2016. He gets way more like in the lead up to the Megan Kelly interview. Right. You'll recall that he had like two days of being terrified on air. Oh, of course. And like let's not put out this interview. Yeah. Like as if he was aware that something would come out. Right. There's a part of me that believes that what he is afraid will come out is what he's come to learn about what happened. I think he's aware of all this stuff. Well, when Breitbart's when Breitbart released their revised numbers after they got rid of all that shit. Well, that was an article in, I believe in Vanity Fair that I have that up here right

now. When they went from, you know, they jumped like 500 numbers in the like top sites on the internet just overnight. And then that was at December of 2016. Coincidentally, I can't think of any reason and then dropped back down May of 2017. And the reason for it was switching on and off the tracking of artificial numbers. Yep. And if you look at the same. So that was that would have been obvious to Alex at that point. He should have been like, Oh, that's us too. Fuck. So in May, he I mean, he doesn't read articles. That's true. He might read headlines. Let's see what the headline number is of this. That's how we have to analyze this dumb child is like, Okay, we don't need to read any articles at all. Let's just read headlines to see what he knows as Trump's problems Mount

Breitbart's numbers are cratering. He could probably come up with another explanation for that because he didn't read the article. Yeah, of course. But yeah, I mean, you look at it. It's not a coincidence that that's December of 2016. December of 2016 is when Alex flips and ends up going with Trump. That's when he starts to see his meteoric rise in numbers. Yep. It's all fucking so obvious. Yep. Anyway, I'm glad we've been doing this for a year. Our anniversary is coming up. Is it? Yeah. Oh, that's right. It's going to be in what January six? There's something like that. Yeah. Our first episode is right at the beginning of January 2016. Yes. That was when we began this. I don't know what headway descent into madness.

It is madness on one hand, but it's also like, I think we figured a lot out. Yeah. I think no one cares. No, but we figured a lot out. Oh, absolutely. And I got I got a I got I've gotten some reassuring messages in the last week because I had a little bit of a downturn in my mental state about what's the point of this shit. That sort of thing. And I appreciate listener Mike sent me a message. I'd like to give you a public thank you for sending me. There are there is some hope, some faith that I have deep in my bosom somewhere that like eventually this will matter. But boy, it doesn't right now. It kind of sucks. Yeah. But it is what it is. I think it's really just a certain kind of like, it feels like what we're doing is too

small for what they think they're supposed to be doing. Do you know what I'm saying? Like the larger media outlets are like, Oh, you guys are just focusing on this one small thing when it what we are actually doing is focusing on the large stuff through a small lens to make things clearer. Yeah, easier to understand. Yeah. I think that anybody I think I think any legitimate journalist would probably think it's undignified to listen to Alex. Yeah, of course. And I don't I get where they're coming from. No, I agree. I support your decision. I agree with that perspective to some extent. But it is it is amazing to me how much you can see clear pictures of the bigger picture through the smaller picture that go through the micro to some extent. Exactly. And

it's it's really baffling to me that people don't understand. And I think that's I think one of the reasons is because the only glimpse that a lot of folks who aren't crazy get into Alex Jones are the things that are posted on media matters and right wing watch. Right. And so they don't realize that a lot of the time these narratives that end up coming out either from Hannity, or in the past from Glenn Beck, and from Donald Trump, a lot of them have their roots in Alex, right? And it's it's one of those things where it's like, you can do a huge investigation. But ultimately, if you're trying to build a puzzle, you take one small corner of it. You know, like if we're talking about what kind of effect the Russian influence campaign really had on the election, right? Start

going in through a guy like Alex Jones. What kind of effect did it have on him and his listeners? It's much easier. Exactly. And then you start and then you exactly he gives it up easy. He's like the corner pieces that fit too perfectly. Yeah. Yeah. All right. This is a children's puzzle. Exactly. To some extent, if you just pay attention to it, right? And you just start putting that together and you see, oh, oh, shit, that other corner is Nazi sympathy. Right. That other corner is complete white supremacy using different language. And here's how they're connected. And here's the way that they fit together. And here's the timeline of when they dovetail together. Combine that with the other timelines that we know. And you start to see obviously that Alex

Jones is regardless of his knowing complicity, a one of the bulwarks of the Russian influence campaign. Absolutely. Like you can talk about Twitter bots all you want, but look at his profile and how it's raised and what he was saying and how it's affected other people. Yep. And it's impossible to split Roger Stone from that, I believe. Yeah. I believe he's inexorably tied to what was going on at that time. That's not it cannot be a coincidence that he shows up and starts influencing Alex right around the time that Alex's numbers take a massive spike. Yep. The rhetoric that he's throwing around. Well, he had been fairly Russia positive for a long time before that. Right. It becomes so much more pro Putin in the lead up the few months

before December. It's just, I don't know, man, I don't think it's the whole story, but it's big. It's a big piece of it and it's fucking who cares? It's yeah, it is so fucking obvious. It's so fucking clear if you spend a year listening to you do all this research. Right. Anyway, you'd like to know more, you can check out our website, knowledgefight.com. That's where we are. If you'd like to support the kind of research that we do and the things that we cover, you can do so going to knowledgefight.com, click the sport the show button, we appreciate it and you can become a policy wonk. If you are a rogue Russian bot farm and you would like to signal boost us, that would be great. That would be awesome. We support that. You can follow us on

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Sesame Street level, I'd say. It's, yeah, it's possible. It's possible. Somebody who is Muppet-ish in many ways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody who comes from the children's workshop. He absolutely could live in a garbage can. Absolutely. Metaphysically, he lives in the biggest garbage can in the sky. It'd be like a garbage can where like the lid is never on. Right. Something like that. It's always laying on the ground next to a wall. Someone close that garbage can. Somebody close that fucking garbage can. Yeah. Kind of drives you to say just, you know, fuck you, John Rapaport. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.