Knowledge Fight - #1013: January 30, 2025

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan take in Alex bringing in Roger Stone to talk about the JFK files that Trump was set to release, and trying to decide whether or not a plane crashing is suspicious.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Ali. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a

little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, ride. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today I need your help with. Okay. Because it begins with a question. Alright. What do you know about this guy? This cat? Post Malone. What do you know about this guy? What do I know about him? I know nothing about him. I know he did the song for Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse. Which was my favorite movie maybe of all time. That's it. The end. That's all I know about

Post Malone. I recognize that he's a giant star. Super huge. But I also realized the other day I know nothing about him past a vibe. Sure. I don't know what his music sounds like. He's got a vibe. I have legitimately no idea. I assume he's a rapper, right?

No, I think he's a singer guy. He's got a good voice. I don't know anything. All right. So what prompted this is I was walking through the store and I saw that he had a new Oreo out. He had designed an Oreo. All right.

A Post Malone Oreo. Right. And I was like, I don't know what this Oreo is gonna be like. I don't know what his music would lead me to think it would be Oreo. Right. And I was like, I don't know what this Oreo is going to be like. I don't know what his music would lead me to think it would be like. Yeah. And so I got them because I wanted to try it. Yeah.

Now as I was staring at the packaging, I thought, wouldn't it be fun to listen to his music for the first time while I ate the Oreo? To have a full Post Malone experience? To just really Post Malone, to like make up for all the non-Post Malone time by cramming as much Post Malone into as short a period of time as possible. And what if- Like you were taking a test tomorrow on Post Malone. Well and what if like something about the Oreo is unlocked by the song?

Of course. Or the music? Maybe I have to understand it in order to get the cookie. We are just chemicals floating in space. Yeah, so it didn't it didn't help me understand the cookie at all No, I also confused by Seems like there's a little bit of country stuff going on I have no idea his vibe confuses me even further now right no idea what he's all about Yeah, I don't I didn't dislike it or anything

I was just I had nothing to grab on to yeah And the cookie is fine to kind of taste a little bit like a pancake with syrup Oh, it's salted caramel and something or other but it ends up tasting Altogether a little bit like a pancake. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not awful, but it's you know, it's it's far from the worst Oreo Here's where I have my it's, you know, it's far from the worst Oreo that I've had. Here's where my head's at, two places. One, is it Post Malorio or Postio Malone? Which do you prefer? Neither.

Neither? No. Disappointing. I will not think about it again after I am done with these Oreos. Fair enough. Probably. And I don't know, it was a lot of Post Malone to take in in one swing.

But I feel better for it. My second thing is celebrity branded foods now. They're everywhere. Too much. Well I think that I like it. You like it? Yeah. People used to have shoes.

I don't know what's better or worse foods or shoes well I mean there was if forever we've had like celebrity endorsed booze is sure oh delightful But I like the idea of trying to associate like some snack with a with a face Celebrity do you know what the one that gets me is the Nicolas Cage? Chips no, but I need to have those. I don't think they exist. Ah, shit. No, there's this... Nicolas Cage has his own wrap snacks. Chip-a-less Cage!

No, no, no, there's the YouTube guy, the MrBeast guy. He's got the thing and it's called a Feastable. And it makes me so angry because I keep being like... It's called a MrBeastable, right? Like, what are we doing? can you have feastable I tried one of those candy bars and I thought what a waste what a waste of like celebrity branding it's not even it's not taking a swing at anything it's just kind of boring just disgusting anyway I hate it what's your bright spot my bright spot is we we got my dog

groomed not groomed to look good groom groom to fix all of the horrible mistakes that we've made Oh, no, that is a spy. No, no, no, no Prepare it for a life of espionage. That's not how it worked We didn't raise her from a child to stab things. Okay No, and I was just feeling very grateful because my wife's mom can do that and Fanny needed it She got mats in between her toes. Sure. We got that taken care of. It'll happen. Maybe she's running around on the ground all the time. And then we brought her donuts and I moved

some stuff. Bartering, much better system. Oh I thought you meant you brought the dog donuts. No no no we brought my wife's mom some donuts. Okay. As in new bartering is a way better system. Those potato donuts? Perfect. Of course. I can get a lot of stuff for those potato donuts. Those are prison valuable. You know what I mean? The only problem is they don't hold too long. So when the collapse comes, you're going to have a good day if you have a stock of them, but then it depreciates quickly. It's a rough three-day hike. Your barter runs out of juice. If you get six, you may have to eat it in a day and that's going to be bad for you. Did you get all three dogs

groomed up? Nope, just the one who needed it. And then the other two, they did a good job staying at home by themselves. We're all very happy. Oh sure. It's good stuff. We're applauding that now? Yep, that's what I'm doing. I stay at home by myself all the time. It's good stuff. We're applauding that now? Yep. That's what I'm doing. I stay at home by myself all the time. That's what I do. No one pats me on the back for it? No, I actually do pat you on the back for it. For staying home all the time? Yes, absolutely. Oh, Dave, you didn't pee on the rug. It's very nice of you not to pee on the rug. Nah, I'm considerate.

Fair enough. So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over. Now, we've been slowly progressing through the time after the inauguration. On our last episode we talked about January 29th. What do you think we're doing today? I hope, wait, was the 20th, I'm going to go with what we're doing January 30th. That's an interesting theory that you have. We are doing that. Hey!

But we're also doing the evening of the 29th because Alex did another show. We are doing that. Hey! But. Oh no. We're also doing the evening of the 29th because Alex did another show on the. No, he did not. He did. So we're gonna talk about the evening of the 29th and Alex's show on the 30th. Why?

I don't know. Well, I do know. Okay. Roger Stone was available. Oh, okay. So we'll get down to that here in a second, but first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, Ria and Rowdy in Portland. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much! Thank you! Next, Mike from Kansas. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Evil Noah. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much! Thank you!

And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Steve. I suggest we use Dan and Jordan to help inform the selection of our 90s cover bands less popular underground songs from groups like Built to Spill and Failure. If they mention a song then we know there's a market for it. Thank you so much. You're now a policy technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark Jar Jar Binks has a caribbean black action. He's a loser little little kitty baby I don't want to hate black people. I renounce jesus christ

Um, so I I don't know about any built to spill or failure songs I've never I I will say this I was just thinking about it and I realized that I don't know any built to spill songs and not Because like they are in the genre that would be around the wheelhouse of somebody by age 20 years ago 30 years ago or whatever right, but I just hate the name built to spill is a terrible name I've just always hated it so I don't listen to it It's a something that you wouldn't want like if it's obviously a thing that is meant to hold something. I don't like the... But it is built to fail in its purpose. I don't like the meaning of the words.

I don't like the sounds the words make. They have a terrible mouth feel. I don't like the beginning and the ending of the consonants. I don't like it. I am not wholly unfamiliar with these bands. Yes. But if I were to have a 90s cover band and you were choosing songs, I think that one of the things you need to do is you need to give people songs that they don't know

they want to hear, but they do. One of these that I would, King of Wishful Thinking is one of them. People never know they want to hear that song, but they do. When it starts playing, oh, they're into it. People do enjoy it. So that's my tip. King of wishful thinking. So here's an out of context drop from today's show. I mean, these are the times people say you fight it who you are in a crisis and holy shit, what the fuck's going on with Trump? Fair enough. I mean, I agree. We're coming at it from different angles, but I agree with Alex. That's a very

very Relatable statement to make I yeah, I feel very seen yeah Yeah, so like I said they did this they did a show on the 29th and it's in the evening Sure, no reason to do this except that Roger is available and there's JFK talk in the air. Okay. So I wanted to get Roger Stone on because everybody's like, where's the JFK files? Well, it takes 15 days under law and Trump signed it nine days ago. The first day was in office. Part of those hundreds of executive orders. So in the next five to six, seven days, they should start releasing it. Roger's an expert.

He knows Trump well, and he already has a really good idea of what's in there. I'll leave it at that. He's going to give us a first look on this coming up at about 30 minutes. So that's very exciting. We're doing a JFK teaser report. OK, with the expert Roger Stone. OK. Now we live in the future. Yeah. So we know what files were

Redacted or a release six days after this, but it takes 15 days. Yeah, I mean, what are we doing here? What in what is the point of electing the guy you elected? If it's not to get rid of all those times whenever you'd be like we have to do this Ah, but it takes 15 days from the go. That's the main thing you want him there to do, is to make it so things don't take 15 days. Right, and he already was in office and didn't do the thing that you want him to do,

but he also feels bad about not doing it last time, so he's gonna do it this time. How is it possible? How is it possible that Americans do not learn? It's amazing. Well, ask Linda McMahon, nominee for the... It's about time. It's amazing. Well, ask Linda McMahon, the nominee for the It's about time. Department of Education. It's about time we had a real leader in there. So there's some other headlines to cover before Roger is on.

Just in, the USDA Inspector General was physically removed from her office by federal security and refused to comply with Trump's firing per Reuters. Trump's given his orders. They're not negotiable. You're fired. Get out. This is mutiny. And she's bragging how she did it, saying his actions are illegal.

Obama, Reagan, the Clintons, they all fired these inspector generals that came around in the 70s. It's Congress trying to take over another branch of government. You don't see Congress, while it's insider trading, having a inspector general over them. Oh no, and then they want inspector generals over the federal courts, the Supreme Court. So that's the fox watching the henhouse there. So Alex is using his normal trick here, pretending that all presidents fire Inspectors General because he really needs to convince the audience that it's no big deal to replace all oversight bodies with loyalists and that that isn't a huge red flag.

The IG of the USDA, Phyllis Fong, was fired by Trump's new administration and she refused to comply with the firing because she didn't believe that it had been done by proper legal channels. According to the law, she is entirely correct. You can't just fire IGs on a whim. If you could, there's basically no reason for them to exist. Fong wasn't arrested, but she was escorted out of her office. Interestingly, Fong's office investigated Elon's company Neuralink in 2022 over allegations of animal welfare

violations in their testing of brain implants. The company had passed a series of inspections by the USDA, but there were definite concerns about their treatment of animals, so the IG, Ms. Fong, was opening a review of the USDA's review itself. To be clear, it's very unlikely that Fong was fired in retribution for this. The USDA has pretty weak enforcement records, and even if Musk was held responsible for mistreating animals in his brain chip research, it would just come down to him paying a fine. I'm not bringing this up to use as a reason to explain the firing, but to flesh out how Musk is a person with a ton of conflicts of interest, and he shouldn't be anywhere near

decisions relating to government oversight. Also Fong is one of the IGs who are suing the government over their termination and will likely succeed in that suit because the law is pretty clear and it was violated. Yeah, that won't matter. Maybe not. But, um... No, it's like when I was fired by the coupon place, you know? It was against the law for him to do that, but then the choice at the end of that was

either you can take the job back with a giant red X on your back waiting to have the hammer nailed into you, or you can just be fired. That's it. There's no real recourse there. But that is recourse. I suppose. In a fashion. Yeah!

So, Alex, there's some news that is broken. And that is that Trump wants to put deported persons in Guantanamo Bay. Now, Alex has already celebrated El Salvador becoming a prison planet for immigrants. And this really, he shouldn't have this tack. Now, Trump is also signing the executive order to use Guantanamo Bay to hold over 30,000 illegal aliens that other third world countries won't take. That's a message to the Venezuelan gangs, the Colombian gangs. Oh, you think you won't get to Porta because your country won't take you, we'll put your ass in Guantanamo Bay. And he's got Kelly in El Salvador about to make a deal to take him as well.

That'll stop this dead in its tracks. That is real dad taking his belt off hardball. So take everything else away from this story and just listen to this moment really closely. Alex can't fully hold in a laugh while reporting that Trump is going to send people he's deporting to Guantanamo Bay. Alex is laughing because his career grew out of exploiting one of the darkest pieces of modern US history, the detaining and torture of people at these prisons like Guantanamo. He's fighting back the laugh because he's come full circle,

where now he's the guy justifying rendition and this prison planet that he wants to build in El Salvador. He's laughing because he knows his audience is too far gone to care how obvious it is that his career has been a farce. He's the cheerleader for the very people that he made millions warning his listeners were coming. Trump claimed that he was going to send just the hardened, the most hardened criminal immigrants to Guantanamo Bay, but unsurprisingly, that hasn't been the case. The folks who've been sent there so far are not even people with criminal records like a lot of them, and many have alleged mistreatment by guards, including beatings, refusal to access to showers, and not letting detainees

speak to lawyers. NPR reported that some of them attempted a hunger strike, and it seems to me that this is a situation that can only get worse. And it's crystal clear, if you know anything about Alex and followed his career in any way, he knows better than to support this. I mean, yeah. Yeah. This one's Obama's fault, though. I'm going to have to put this. I mean, yeah. Yeah. This one's Obama's fault though.

I'm gonna have to put this one on Obama. He said he was gonna close it and then he didn't close it. That's on him. Sure. I guess. I mean, how is it not closed? So there's one thing that there's no question about in the world. It's that Alex loves Elon.

Yes, he does. Everyone does. Yeah. The world does. And he deserves prizes for how good he is. We have Salman Rushdie getting a prize for free speech from the Nobel laureates. We've had Alexander Sulzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago,, decades in a Gulag for being anti-communist. And then he came over here for a while and found out the same thing that Joseph McCarthy

found out that there were globalists in our country who actually created the communism over there. Communism didn't come from Russia, it came from the UK and the US, not matching our country, it's just a fact. And it's made a joke out of the Nobel prizes now giving Henry Kissinger and Obama and all these scumbags peace prizes for starting wars. So giving Hitler a ADL awards or something. And they could though get their good name back at the Nobel Society of philanthropy if they did do this. Elon Musk nominated for Nobel Prize, Peace Prize for free speech advocacy.

Elon Musk has been nominated for the 2025 Nobel Prize for his stance on free speech, Slovenian member of the European parliament, Branko Grimes put the name forward. Wait, wait, wait. Who is that who nominated Elon for the prize? Was that a member of the European Parliament? Ah, wasn't that, is it royalty? Isn't that royalty?

Might be. They're all at the very least, they're all royalty, right? They're all un-elected bureaucrats. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Weird. That's strange that this guy. Anyway, Salman Rushdie never won the Nobel Prize. Alex thinks he did because there was a fatwa declared on him over the Satanic verses, but Strange. Anyway, Salman Rushdie never won the Nobel Prize.

Alex thinks he did because there was a fatwa declared on him over the Satanic verses, but this didn't result in a Nobel Prize. Solzhenitsyn did win the Nobel Prize in 1970, but it was for literature. There isn't a defense of free speech category in the Nobel Academy. Alex's examples are two people who would be in the running for Nobel Prizes for literature, which Elon definitely isn't going to get. This one guy nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize, which is fine, but it's going nowhere. Elon's literally a giant war profiteer, and Alex is a huge little worm.

A huge little worm. Can't anybody nominate you for a Peace Prize? Yeah, there's a bunch of people who are nominated. You could just like fucking right out the gate. I don't know if you could. Why not? I demand the power to nominate for peace prizes. You know how it's like you have to be this tall to ride this ride?

Right, right, right. The European Parliament. I have to be royalty from Europe? European Parliament membership is for... This is you. This is you. Nah, I see it. You have to be that tall.

Ah, this is what Alex is saying. You're all about the unelected bureaucrats. I may be, but it's mostly out of not knowing who can nominate somebody. That's fair point. I think that you have to have made a movie to be nominated for an Oscar. Okay. Right? So you have to have made peace to be nominated for an Oscar?

Hold on. In order to be nominated for an Academy Award, someone in the Academy has to nominate you. Okay. I mean Something like that. I assume that's how it goes. I have no idea. So someone who's connected to the Nobel group somehow has to nominate you. Gotcha. Okay. It can't just be you. That makes more sense. You have to apply. Yeah. I mean, I get that's the problem with

the Nobel Peace Prize is that with literature, you got to write a book. Those are the rules. Right. You just got to. a book. Those are the rules. You just got to. There's no negotiation on what if I just didn't write a book and I just really felt like a good book? No negotiation. Peace Prize, anybody could win that shit. It's vague.

And I think that Alex's criticism of people who have supported wars getting peace prizes just kind of cheapen the value of it. That doesn't help but That doesn't mean that all of them are bad like all Nobel award winners are bad. Sure I don't know. So Roger Stone comes around and He's he's there to talk about the JFK stuff. Sure, and he know he knows Trump very well They're trying to kill at least twice we know of he's got a very good idea on what's about to come out. Also Trump's view on it.

Uh, and people say, why hasn't been released yet? It's an executive order 15 days to develop the plan to release it. And then more on the, uh, RFK MLK and more. Uh, but first off, Roger, you've got the floor wherever you want to go. The dizzying successes, the enemy off balance, how are they going to strike back? Let's not get too confident. Yeah. So this is a nice benefit to being in the future.

Like, Alex is really trying his best to keep the audience strong along that Trump is about to blow the JFK thing wide open, but it takes 15 days. Patience, everyone. Well, we're more than 15 days in the future from this and these files have not been released. I don't particularly care if these files are released because most folks who know a lot more about it than me are pretty clear that there's no bombshells waiting to be revealed. If they release everything, fine.

If it stalls forever, that's not ideal, but fine. The worst thing possible for Alex is if the files are released and it's a dud. So that's the outcome he definitely doesn't want. The good news is that all of this is a game, so when Trump says that he's going to release stuff then doesn't, it's because of the 15 day holding period. When that time runs out, if nothing's released then oh no, the globalists left behind in the government are meddling with the release. If Trump does release everything and it's a disappointment, oh no, the globalists hid the real documents to make Trump look bad. It doesn't matter what happens.

Reality is going to be bent to conform to the narrative that Alex has invested in pushing. So, great. They should, it would be better. Here's my pitch, all right? Don't actually release the real shit. Nobody would ever believe that. What you do, you release a JFK dick pic

and say that's why you haven't released it. Everybody would be like, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. We'd all move on. Especially if it's like bigger than LBJ. Yeah, well, nobody's dick is bigger than LBJ. That's just a scientific fact. But see, that's why it would have never released. And that's why LBJ killed him.

LBJ murdered him. Yeah, murdered him for the dick. It's a tale as old as time. This would make sense. Yeah. It'd be unsatisf as time. This would make sense. Yeah. It'd be unsatisfying for some conspiracy theorists probably, but... I think it would probably be the most satisfying answer for everybody. So Roger is on.

I don't really care about the JFK stuff. It's well-trod material between them. He's written a book on it. Who cares? Right. What I'm more interested in is revealing some details about Roger and Alex's relationship. And you're the expert of experts. I mean, I'm not just saying that he's not just an expert on politics. He's JFK. That's how I first met him like 14 years ago. And then

again, 12 years ago. And he said, Hey, Trump's getting ready to run, you know, like, you know, 10 years ago. And that's how I got on board. He said, this is the real deal. He's totally dolled in. We had meetings about leaving at that. Roger recruited me in and I was literally sitting there thinking about it. My son, Rex says, no dad, you need to do it. This is like before Trump was going. But the point is, let's just stop here and finish up with all the news, what he's done, what's coming next. We've always known this, but I'm not sure I've ever heard Alex say that so clearly. Roger recruited Alex to the Trump campaign, essentially. This makes the entire time that Alex was coming to Trump incredibly dishonest. Behind the scenes, he and Roger were having what amounts to negotiations to get Alex to

support Trump, while Alex was pretending to cover the primary and the election. The first time that Alex interviewed Roger is a complete, like, it's a suspicious event in this context. And Roger getting Trump to come on Alex's show is clearly part of a deal that they struck. There's a negotiation here. That's really messed up. Yeah, the only reason Roger showed up there was to sign the agreement, right? It must have been.

Like, hey, okay, we pay you this exact amount. Roger fucking rat fucking stone. Or, like, let's take money slightly out of the equation, because maybe that's not the case. Maybe it's access. Sure. He's going to win, and none of these other people are going to take you seriously, Alex. You can cash in on this. Not one.

You'll have the appearance of proximity to power. Boy, at the end of this, Alex is going to realize that Roger Stone rat fucked him too. It's just a matter of time before you realize that Roger Stone rat fucked you. But it's pretty crazy to imagine that Alex would have no qualms with saying this in front of the audience. You know, like, Roger recruited. Maybe nobody, maybe there's just nobody listening. Maybe it is all robots talking to each other. I don't think anybody could have been listening during that 2015 section. Here, Alex say this now and not think, Oh wow,

that's shady shit that was going on back then. You're talking about how you know about Trump's history and he's a mob boss and he's a frontman for consortiums on the East Coast. And then mysteriously all of your tune changes and all the stories are different. Yeah. It's, it's, I don't know. It's probably one of those things where like you can just believe, ah, now see what you got to do is you got to learn how to read.

Even he teaches you that you have to learn how To read between the lines make stuff up whenever reality doesn't conform to what you believe so even for them They're like, oh, well, yeah, Alex has to say that because this conspiracy so it all just gets wrapped up in another conspiracy I get that. Yeah, but God told him the future like that didn't start in 2016. He didn't get magical psychic powers when he decided to join up with Trump. Like he's had that since he was a kid. Yeah, there is that.

Yeah. It's tough. It's tough. Harry Potter can't be wrong if he's like doing the weather. Mm-hmm. Right? Because he's magic. Yeah.

You gotta get it right if it's magic. He should. He should. So they talk a bit about Trump and they say something I think is is dumb And I can just tell you that something dramatically changed about him right after the events at Butler, Pennsylvania a serenity came over him a a sureness, a strength, a total recognition

that his life had been spared by God for a greater purpose. You know Nixon was deeply religious but he would never talk about his religion because as a Quaker had been taught by his mother that this was a private matter. And Trump was always a believer, but he was never comfortable talking about the Almighty because he didn't think it was a political matter. But that all changed in Butler, Pennsylvania. This is a cute story, but that's a load of shit. Trump was fully exploiting religion for political purposes through his entire run back to 2015. He knew that the evangelical base was one of his best hopes, so you saw him do all those

staged photos with the prosperity gospel preachers like Paula White-Cain praying over him. You saw him do that photo op at the church near the Capitol where he held the Bible upside down. All that shit was before Butler, and Roger knows that. He also knows that that road to Damascus moment is a really powerful trope in evangelical circles, so he's writing that legend for the followers to apply onto Trump. Like, oh, he had the brush with death and that... Yeah. There's really no evangelical movement that doesn't require a constant updating of the time

that you really came to Jesus. I mean it this time. Yeah, the last few times you came to Jesus, those were pretty important, but this one, this was a revelation. And that explains why he was holding the Bible upside down before. That does make sense. Because he was a baby in Christ.

He was putting his fingers crossed behind his back. Right, but then he got shot. Well, because that's real religion. And then he means it. You don't even know if you mean it until you mean it. And that's when you know you mean it. So even if you did mean it before, you didn't mean it because you didn't know you mean it. And that's when you know you mean it. So even if you did mean it before, you didn't mean it because you didn't know you mean it. Right. And when people say they

mean it, I, you got to take a pro-work for it. And when Roger Stone says that you mean it, it's true. That means something. Scientific fact. So we jump to the next day because I don't care, LBJ did it. Because he did it. Because of the dicks. It's true. It's true. And so on the 30th, there's some news that's broken. And that is that a plane crashed into a helicopter over the DC airport. And so Alex knows he needs to address this. Right. Again, it is Thursday, January 30th, 2025. The first major challenge to the new Trump administration

took place last night over Washington D. C. At Ronald Reagan International Airport, when a U. S. Military Black Hawk the airspace. We have the US military Black Hawk. Flew into the flight path of the airport and a landing aircraft that had authorization to land

and had control of the air space. We have the flight logs. We have the FAA tower reports. We have it all here. And they were telling the helicopter. They were telling the helicopter that they were in danger and to stop. The path they were on. And right now it looks like something went on on the helicopter. We don't know. But

instantly last night. After the Black Hawk collided into the American Airlines flight, 63 people on board, three soldiers on helicopter, no survivors. Reagan Airport closed. Airline CEO blames Army. Trump blames Biden. Well, here's the facts.

This stuff happens in a complex crazy world. That's amazing. Those are the facts. Are those all the facts? This response should be all anyone needs to understand that Alex is a piece of shit and a liar. He's the king of suspicion. Everything is a conspiracy until proven not to be.

Or at least that's how things go when there's an advantage in it for him to position himself against the power structure. Take for example all the things that happened when Biden was in office, like the Key Bridge Collapse in Baltimore, or the hurricanes Helen and Milton. Those were immediately suspicious, and likely false flags, maybe even weather weapons were being used here. An accident at a bridge and two natural disasters were reported on in such a way that you could create blame that could be assigned to the Biden administration and the globalists and the government as a whole.

But now Trump is in charge. They've all made a big deal out of ending DEI practices and one of the main areas that the right-wing media has agitated about this and in terms of pilots and air traffic controllers They've gotten their way and we see a big airline crash in basically the first week of Trump being in office In this situation Alex has two choices One option is to say that the deep state did this attack in order to make Trump look bad or something The globalists knew that Trump was trying to clean up the FAA So they did this false flag in order to make Trump look bad or something. The globalists knew that Trump was trying to clean up the FAA, so they did this false flag in order to derail that.

This option helps deflect from Trump having to take any responsibility, but it also introduces some liabilities. For one, a bunch of people died in the crash, so Alex needs to decide if they were real people or not. If not, he's in danger of getting into the crisis actor storylines and risking more lawsuits. But if he does say that they're real, then he needs to accept that Trump is so out of control with his own administration that the remaining deep state folks are murdering civilians in plane crashes and he can't do anything about it.

There aren't a lot of good outcomes for him down this path, which is why he seems to be taking the second path. This is the path where he just accepts that the world is complicated and sometimes bad things happen and no one planned them to be that way. It's an explanation that would suffice for the majority of the news that Alex ever covers but then pretends are false flags, which is why it's strange to hear him use this approach here. Alex does not want Trump and Musk's power to be questioned,

so his instinct towards suspicion just kind of disappears here, when it would be an overdrive if Biden was still in office. There would be an elaborate story to be told about this. Hey, whatcha gonna do? You know, sometimes planes just crash into Black Hawk military choppers. That happens. This happens in a complex society. It happens all the time. Why are you complaining about it you idiot? What is it? This is like a regular occurrence. You can't even shit on a military base without an exploding Black Hawk helicopter Look there are bad things that happen and I accept that I accept that as an explanation and something that I could hear from

Another human being who I would interact with social the penguins the climate. It's terrible what happens to the penguins. And that's just like this. You know, life is just crazy and unpredictable. Well, you'll never know. Well, hold on. I think, I think like, you know, sometimes a train goes off the tracks. Sure. And it's an accident. It is. Sometimes a train goes off the tracks and it's because no one has kept up the infrastructure.

I think that those are two different things. But at the same time, neither is like, hey, someone planned to derail this train. Sure, but you don't know if maybe a giant grabbed it with its big hands and then put it off the train and then created a fake like little crash scene to hide up their giant's tracks. See, you can never trust anything. The world's crazy. There's just no way to know what makes anything happen.

I don't accept, I don't accept, so Alex's, like his worldview is like, oh, you call me a conspiracy theorist? I call you a coincidence theorist. Crazy. Right? Yeah, absolutely. So you don't get to play this card now.

No. The complex world shit. It's a little late Yeah, so he has to be pretty defensive about this and I was just very surprised with the angle He decided to take air travel is depending on the country on average about 20 times safer than automobiles Okay But it's not as glamorous when people are chewed up and wounded and dead on the highway and by glamorous I mean, it's so commonplace the the the the

the the the the the the the the

the the the the the the the the the the the the up in the air generally. So our hearts go out to all those that died. But before we knew anything

last night, I have the time stamps right here, the entire corporate media came out and blamed Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Doge for simply stating the fact that the majority of federal the federal employees. For simply stating the fact that the majority of federal employees. Rarely ever go to work and do almost nothing. Unless they're like the border patrol who bust their ass.

I've seen it. That's a hard job. Customs people. That's a hard job. So the law enforcement angle works their butt off. But the bureaucrats the If they won't work or secretly had another job, they're going to be fired, obviously, and probably criminally charged. He said that last night, and that's true. So cutting the waste and fraud and abuse out did not cause this. They haven't even gotten to it yet. So I think it's very striking how defensive Alex is about this story, and I think I understand why.

I'm pretty sure that Alex understands a real serious problem is like, like there's a bunch of them that Trump and Musk's plans are going to cause. Sure. Things like greater incidents of plane crashes, foodborne illness outbreaks, predatory scams being carried out on consumers. These are some of the fruit of what the government is doing right now. It's going to end up happening. Alex believes the ends justify the means here,

but he also knows that the means involve common people getting hurt in really bad ways that he can't defend. He wants what's on the other side of this, but he does not want to take responsibility for the path that leads there. Right. Well, I mean, just because when they put seat belts in, people stopped flying through their windshield so much doesn't mean that seat belts led to people not flying through their windshields. You can't mean that seat belts led to people not flying through their windshields. You can't prove that. It's a complex and mysterious world. Never understand it. Never understand it.

So as these consequences start happening, he's going to be in a position of minimizing these things, carrying water for and justifying the powers that be, because he believes that doing so furthers the larger good goal, which I guess is colonizing space with white people. The Associated Press reported that the staffing at the airport on the day of the crash was quote not normal and that one air traffic controller was doing the work of two people. Complicating matters, Elon Musk had called on the head of the FAA to resign around when Trump was inaugurated. He did so, but there's no clear replacement. It might be Chris Ruschlow, who's an interim administrator, but Reuters reported on January

30th, the day of this episode of Alex's show, quote, the FAA for 10 days has declined to say who is running the agency on an acting basis. Michael Whitaker was the previous FAA head who quit when Trump came into office. That's not that crazy of a thing to happen, and replacing him would have been fine in the changing from one administration to another. One of the reasons this is messy though is because in 2022 the FAA imposed fines on Elon's company Starlink for quote, violations of safety protocol. Musk claimed that the FAA was harassing him, and then he was fined again

in 2024 directly by Whitaker for quote, alleged violations of its government license in two rocket launches, according to the Guardian. There's no way to know exactly what's going on in people's heads, but these circumstances represent another massive conflict of interest for Musk being anywhere near the levers of power for the government. He has immense personal interest in making these bodies unable to operate because when they work correctly and in the public interest, he gets fined a ton of money. Alex understands all this, and his career is supposed to be based on fighting against the unelected bureaucrats who had outsized power in our government. He spent his whole life yelling about George Soros, and here he stands making his career entirely about defending Elon Musk and

Alex knows how bad this looks to the point where he's willing to call something a coincidence. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah Yeah, you know it is it is one of those things where it's like They're going after that shit, and shit and the regulations weren't even that tight. You know? Like it's just one of those pieces of evidence of like either go hard against them or you might as well not even have it because they're gonna try and,

the SEC hasn't really affected the stock market in a million years and yet they're still gonna try and destroy you, you know? Like it doesn't matter if it's weak capture or strong capture Just that you exist at all is a check on their power is what makes them hate you You know it has nothing to do with how much you do against them or not right? Oh, you know it just dawned on me. It's like Alex is calling this a coincidence. Mm-hmm. That's insane. It's coincidence you know what I know I I It's like Alex is calling this a coincidence. Mm-hmm. That's insane. It's not what incidents

you know what I know I I Just realized that Elon has Alex's Twitter DMS. Oh, yeah, very weird. Yeah coincidence I Think that there's some bad stuff in there There's reasons to kill JFK in there. That's all I'm saying. I bet that might be a simple, simple explanation for Alex's throwing his entire career away in order to defend Elon Musk. Anyway, Trump has a belief that DEI caused the crash. But Trump just came out a few minutes ago and the press

conference is still ongoing and blames DEI for weakening FAA and aftermath of Reagan national plane crash and sounds true that's true that DEI and corporate corruption at Boeing and other areas in the studies has really caused the the The The The The The The FAA official that said we're going to hire schizophrenics. I mean seriously.

And people that see pink elephants. I remember that Brooke Furisco and I said is that even real? And it sure as hell was him in hearing. He's like, yeah, we're hiring mentally ill people. They deserve to fly planes too. I have no idea why Alex would be worried about people who see pink elephants flying planes. He sees demons and he's allowed to do a radio show, which I think is probably infinitely more dangerous to the general population. Maybe the pink elephants are interdimensional flying assistants that only the really good pilots

can see. Like who's Alex to judge another person's hallucinations? That's not cool. So in the real world, the FAA did not say like they want people with active hallucinations to be able to fly planes. There's a long-standing problem with the FAA where pilots were afraid to utilize mental health resources that could be available to them because doing so could risk their job. There was a culture of silence that had grown around mental health issues in the field where if you admitted that you wanted to or were seeking treatment for depression or anxiety, you could risk losing your livelihood. That created an

atmosphere where people were suffering, but were afraid to get help. In 2023, the National Transportation Safety Board held a summit called Navigating Mental Health and Aviation that was meant to explore this dynamic and see what could be done to better serve people's needs. In response to this conversation, the FAA began to make moves to broaden their rules about mental health treatment. By making guidelines that better address the actual situation pilots are in, the hope is to destigmatize manageable mental health conditions and get appropriate help for people who are experiencing conditions that would make it actually unsafe for them to fly. Previously, the system relied on self-reporting by pilots and by reports

filed by the aviation medical examiners. The AME had a list of conditions that they were required to report, which put a person at risk of being grounded. In 2024, the AME empowered their doctors to rely on their own judgment when it came to a list of conditions, including generalized anxiety disorder, situational anxiety, social anxiety disorder, postpartum depression, situational depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, PTSD, and some general categories for unspecific anxiety and depression. This is the real world version of what Alex wants to attack. The other end of it is that the FAA doesn't discriminate in hiring based on disability

status and that was clear in their posted discriminate in hiring based on disability status, and that was clear in their posted materials in sections around DEI. This is about the aviation development program, which requires that, quote, participants meet the same qualifications as any other applicant. People with disabilities can receive a schedule one application, but this isn't just like a shortcut to any job. You still need to be qualified for the job you apply for and able to do what the job entails. The issue here is that Alex just strongly supports discrimination and that's

what's at the core of all of his messaging. Yeah, yeah that's such like that brutalist 50s logic that sticks with us to this day. Oh you're depressed, you can't fly, you'll try and fly the plane into a building just nope done So everybody has to be quiet about it forever and lock it up inside until they want to fly a plane into a building I feel like there's some sort of catch that this is similar to mmm, but I don't remember which one I haven't read books before now books books are evil. Yeah, you know, it's just a coincidence that books have words in them. Yeah, I've heard so, uh, you know Alex had Roger on yesterday Mm-hmm, and you know, what do you know Trump listened sure and he loved it loved it. He loved it He's doing those gaggles where he stops with reporters

I mean, I can't even keep track of it. And it is exhilarating, but also exhausting. And then he's got time to watch me and Roger last night and call us up and tell us how much he likes the show and invite us to the White

House for dinner soon. Was already big news when other people called today come to Marlago. What do you want to come to the White House? That was just people in his operation. I just mentioned it came a big top news story yesterday. Oh my God, the evil Alex Jones. And again, I haven't really pushed out

or even asked for that stuff because I don't want Alex Jones to be a diversion. But at the end of the day, from the overall agenda, it's also a litmus test to say, screw you guys, we're pardoning all the J sixers. Screw you guys, what you did to Alex Jones was made up, exaggerated. He didn't do anything. We're not buying into your crap anymore. Yeah. A Don wrote about it and drugs took it as the top story. It was just my phone was

ringing off the hook. And I'm just like, I guess that elicited Trump to come watch the show and then say he liked it. And Roger saying, yeah, I just talked to Trump. He says the stuff, they're declassifying proves the CIA, you know, was involved killing Kennedy. And then I got millions and millions of views, like 10 million views on the clip from the show. And I saw people coming. Where's the proof? What's your source?

I've got Bloomberg going, what's your source? You've been invited to the White House. It's like, come on, people. Come on, people. So the only thing that I think is really actually important about that clip is that Alex said that the night before, Roger was doing this episode with him. And then a Don Salazar wrote about it and it went on Drudge. Yes. Now that reveals one thing to me. And that is that a Don Salazar is still working it in fours. Just crazy. That is crazy.

Yes. Who is paying him? Cause I mean, like, if you, if you know anything about the path through the Sandy Hook stuff, you could easily scapegoat him. I mean, he is just slid under the radar somehow. He is probably, him and Rob Do could have a competition

for who was the most energetically pursuing the crisis actorship. Yeah, but a Don Salazar was a huge part of the problem. And him trying to get drudge to cover their story. Yeah, is even another part of what the big problem was. Yeah, that's no good. So the fact that we're here in 2025, and Adan Salazar is still working at Infowars is nuts. Yeah, it kind of tells you how devalued the written word is. People don't even care enough that it's your fault that the whole thing started. Or at very least it's like, hey, you suck at this. You're bad.

You get me in trouble. And I can throw you overboard. What are you going to do? Come on back to work. You get me in trouble, and I can throw you overboard. What are you gonna do? Come on, come on back to work. What does it take to get fired in terms of failure? There's no job performance issues. There's only just like, oh well, he said I'm a prick.

Gotta get rid of him. I don't know. I think probably not liking Alex might get you fired. I mean, in all honesty, you could probably argue that- Standing up for yourself. Adon Salazar and company failed so hard, the entire business is gone. And they're still working there. Probably working for Chase now over at Alex Jones Live. Yep, that's probably. That's job security.

Yeah. So Alex realizes that maybe he was talking a lot of out of school about getting invited to the White House and stuff. So he realizes he's got to he's got to maybe he should walk that back. No. Oh, but he's got to bring it back to the center. Wow. And I mean, I don't even have time to barely eat dinner with my seven year old daughter or wife. I'm eating dinner like once a week with them now. And they understand. I barely have going to be able to get a job. I'm not going to be able to get a job. I don't even have time to barely eat dinner with my seven year old daughter or wife. Meeting dinner like

once a week with them now, and they understand I barely have time to see my parents. My dad's been sick. Still get over there once or twice a week because history is happening. Now I have to do this. So the left all things I'm like somebody

that wants to be in the pool club and'm going to be like, Oh, let's make a big story and put pressure on Trump to stop him from having Alex Jones around. That'll just make Trump send a jet to get me. Just in case you don't know. Okay so so they and I don't even want to

make myself the big story. I could definitely make myself the big story. I could be hanging out at the White House all day, but that gets in the way of Elon that has moved into the White House, into the Lincoln bedroom, and is running Doge out of it, working 20 hours a day at least.

The guy sleeps like two hours a day. He's not there so he can act powerful. He already is. He's there to make sure the mission gets done. So no, I don't need to be hanging around the White House distracting people. I'll continue at my post- post attacking. Now I'll go up if he really keeps pushing it and have dinner with him. You and I and Roger have a private dinner. That's what he wants to do. Great. I'll do that. But the left

doesn't understand. I want to dominate you and stop you and crush you. You lying scum that have tried to destroy my country and my family. That's my mission. That's the brass ring. That's the focus. Nothing else even compares. And I like eating dinner with my wife and daughter and playing board games. I like going on hikes with my I like going to see in movies and comedy clubs and eat and find steak dinners. It's all been put on the side Because the war for the future Destiny of humanity is now and we're winning and I'm not about to sit on the sidelines and rest on my laurels and Think we got this in the bag

Not until their entire globalist transhumanist death cult's been dismantled. Not until the New World Order is in chains. And then I'll take some time off. Alex has taken multiple vacations in the last few months. His show is basically just him taking time off because he doesn't prepare at all and he just rants about dumb shit he saw on Twitter for a job. I'm conflicted about this Trump dinner thing because I don't know why Trump wouldn't associate with Alex at this point.

Alex is super embarrassing, but Trump's hanging out with Musk, he made RFK the head of HHS, and he recently made dipshit radio host Dan Bongino the deputy director of the FBI. There's no reason that Trump should think that it would be a negative for him to hang out with Alex. At the same time, Alex's whole thing about not wanting to be the cool guy hanging out with Trump is complete bullshit. He would trip over his feet if Trump or Musk offered him an audience with them anytime, because the association with power is basically all Alex has left other than a social media account at

this point Consider the fact that the only reason this conversation is even happening on a public radio show is that Alex needed to brag about how Trump Allegedly called him after the show with Roger the night before Alex didn't need to reveal that information, but he did it because it made him look like a big boy All of this rant is really just Alex's internal struggle between his desperate need to be associated with the other cool kids and his awareness that his brand requires him to be above that kind of vanity and how those two things are deeply at odds with each other. You think you think Adrian Ditman could be deputy treasurer? I think we've got that. I think that's available.

I think I think musk would call him like the master of coin. Totally. Yeah, I think that's I think that's the way you go Yeah, and especially as title, especially if he's not real That's the best way to do it. You hire somebody call him Adrian Dittman move on with our lives He doesn't even have a South African accent that would make it perfect. Sure you hear him talking and he's like I've been deputy treasurer before. You know, there's that'd be like, ah, I think he's Elon. What we did is we plugged in all of the intelligence

of past the treasury. There you go. Department folks. That's the trick. And we have created a super treasurer. Jet P chat GP treasurer. Ah, there we go. Did it.

Did minute. Nope. GP treasurer Did it did minute mmm. Oh hmm so Alex You know he's he's he's gone with a conspiracy coincidence Angle on the on the plane crash sure but maybe Come on. There's something suspicious there Everybody understands we have new listeners all the time. I want to be very clear. Within 30 minutes, the corporate media was blaming Trump and Elon Musk and then Hegseth saying they made cuts, Trump made cuts that haven't been implemented yet.

Judges are trying to block it, as you know. They don't get overturned. Blaming them for this when they didn't even know what had happened. the plane. They were just trying to get over. Turned blaming them for this when they didn't even know what had happened. And now we know they had fully staffed air traffic controllers. The passenger

plane American Airlines with all the figure skaters, Russian American coming in. Was authorized doing its job had control the airspace. It was their airspace. And the tower was saying to the helicopter, you're going to crash, you're coming into a collision. And we have the video of their telemetry screens as they record all that released within hours. So it was the helicopter. We don't know what happened yet, but it had nothing to do with problems at the FAA. It was

a malfunction. Wait, somebody hacked the helicopter. That can happen. I'm speculating, but it was the helicopter. So within 30 minutes of the Sandy Hook shooting, Alex blamed Obama and the gun grabbers. Within 30 minutes of Hurricane Helene, Alex blamed Biden. His claim that the media blaming Musk and Trump isn't even true. But if we pretend that it is, he has no leg to stand on. He's just doing defensive spin instead of what he usually does, which is attacking spin, smearing his imaginary enemies by exploiting tragedies. As far as what Trump did or didn't do, part of the problem is that the chaos he's causing

makes it very difficult to tell exactly what effects are due to what. For instance, a few days after getting into office, Trump offered all federal workers the option of a deferred resignation where they could quit and then continue to get paid for about the next nine months. It's unclear what level of staffing changes that could have caused. Also, Trump put in place a hiring freeze, which has been challenged by the courts, but it also obviously had some effect. Reporters who have looked into it aren't sure if the freeze itself applied to air traffic

controllers because that's not spelled out. Add to that the absence of an acknowledged head of the FAA, and you kind of see how this is you're unable to solve any problems that might come up. The media wasn't saying that Trump's actions caused the crash. In fact, here's what PBS said, quote, Trump in his first week in office did announce sweeping personnel changes, including a hiring freeze. But aviation experts said there was little that Trump did that could have precipitated the crash between a commercial jet from Wichita, Kansas and a military Black Hawk helicopter.

There simply was too little time, less than 10 days after Trump was sworn in, for any of his broadly worded executive orders to have an effect, experts said. Alex is seeing people on social media blaming Trump for the crash, and then just pretending that's what the media is saying. And that makes a lot of sense. Alex considers himself to be the media, and all he does is scroll through Twitter. So every other idiot on Twitter is the media to him. Like journalism doesn't exist as a concept. He's just getting mad at Twitter

and other dipshits on social media. Like who knows who any of these people are that he's mad about what they posted? Okay, so here's the problem with this, right? You can't prove it yourself that it's not the FAA's fault. Because you already said it's black people at the FAA who aren't good at their jobs, right? So you can't be like,

oh, it turns out it's not the FAA's fault. Because then you're obviously a racist. You immediately went, ah, it's black people. And then you're like, hey guys, it's not our fault. So if it is your fault, it's black people. Since it's not your fault, it's not our fault. Well, it's a complicated place for Alex to find his racist mind.

It's coincidence. And that's why you start off this path with maybe the world is complicated and things happen. And accidents happen. And then you dig around a little more and you're like You know what? Maybe I can swing at this ball after all. Maybe I can make something out of this Not even your racism is genuine man dark dark days So we end up with maybe someone hacked the helicopter that sounds right. That's probably what happened sounds true and for decades all the blackhawks, all the

commercial aircraft have systems that aren't just autopilot, but can be remotely accessed by the airlines. And that's in the documents Bush talked about it around 9-11. They shut up about it real quick. Well, if you have those systems, somebody can hack into them or they can malfunction. And a lot of experts and I've got the articles and reports here saying the system. I'm not saying that's it. I'm saying it should be looked at because it makes no sense. But just here comes this

helicopter. Let me just fly over one of the most busy airports in the world with a bunch of runways with two different large aircraft coming with their landing lights on. Let me just fly right in front of that big

giant aircraft with huge lights all over. I'm not saying that's it. I'm saying it should be Let me just fly over one of the most busy airports in the world with a bunch of runways with two different Large aircraft coming in with their landing lights on let me just fly right in front of that big giant Aircraft with huge lights all over that that's how it when you're in a helicopter You're been in a helicopter folks. I mean you see everything So here let's just go. I mean you don't get near an airport full frontal telling them on a way out where you're coming from And I'm telling you helicopters don't't get priority over big airliners. None of this makes sense. But what does it have to do with Trump?

So Alex just can't resist conspiracy thinking. His angle's supposed to be that accidents happen because that's the correct defensive position for Trump and Musk, but he knows that's boring He yearns for the elaborate plot and the boogie man He needs to be pretending to fight like he can't get out of his own way And that's something I think is really interesting about this episode as as just sort of a snapshot Is like you can almost feel him talking himself into like Can we put some garlic in this gotta be's gotta be, it's not a coincidence. We gotta season this.

I know it's my job to say it's a coincidence, but I just can't. It's the most expedient route to get Trump and Musk off the hook, and that's why my instinct is to go this direction, but my muscles won't allow it. You know what's crazy is that if you're asking Alex to do that, you're wrong. Of course he's gonna turn a conspiracy into it, right?

It's just that Alex himself is forcing himself to try the beginning part where he's like, nah, it was just a coincidence, and then just can't do it. Like if he had a boss who said, don't do the coincidence, or do the coincidence thing, he wouldn't be able to do it. You would be a bad boss for even asking him to. He's a bad boss to himself. Well, I think it's a cycle of oppositional defiance because he gets on Twitter and he

sees people saying like, oh, Trump caused this plane crash or whatever. And then he's like, ah, that's what the media is saying. And so then he needs to have a knee jerk reaction to that. If it were Biden in office, it be no Biden did this on purpose it's a false flag or whatever it's very simple but he's like shit that path on the the tree the logic tree doesn't work because Trump is in office and he's already taken over all of the the globalist infrastructure and all this so what do I do if the accidents happen, man, come on. If it's not black people, I don't know what caused it.

Accidents happen. But then, as he starts talking down that route, his oppositional defiance to himself kicks in. Gotta do it. And he has to talk himself into a conspiracy. It's gotta be a conspiracy. Interesting how the media was ready to really jump on this within 30 minutes.

Hmm. And I've said the globalists could hack and take out the You don't normally see Black Hawk crews just decide to go on an unscheduled flight through some of the most busy airspace in the world right over one of the most busy airports in the world with a whole bunch of airplanes coming in for landings. And you don't get anywhere around those unless you're authorized and already have a plan to be landing there. You usually file it long before. So all of this is like building a case. He's talking himself into it's not a coincidence.

Yeah, absolutely. Accidents don't happen. No, this is him trying to be like, no, I never said anything about Sandy Hook. I never said that there were questions. I mean, I have questions. There are tons of questions. There's anomalies.

Have you seen any of that shit? Nah, it didn't happen at all. There's so many anomalies. It takes 10 seconds. Yeah. It's just, he can't not. Nope. And so he tries to. It takes 10 seconds. Yeah. It's just he can't not. Nope. And so he tries to defend this a little bit.

And some of the cornerstone is like this idea that the media all said Trump did it. Right. But he fails. He just falls right on his face. And here's some articles and videos from Sikorsky or Lockheed Martin demonstration of their autonomous Blackhawk helicopters in Washington just before the U. S. Election. And then you've got the community notes on their on X people are attacking musk and trump.

They explain the aviation safety committee was disbanded, but the committee members working for federal government were not fired from their primary jobs. They advised the T s, not FAA, on their security functions, which isn't typically relevant to midair collisions, LA Times source. But still, the corporate media in most places is trying to say that it's all Trump, Elon, Doge, Hegseth fault headline. The first big challenge to Hegseth, why did this happen? Well, he better put out why it happened. They better find out, but how do you find out

when the helicopter's a pile of ashes and the people are dead? Why did this helicopter just take off when Trump's dominating the globalist, dismantling him and just magically fly the most busy airport ever right into a passenger plane. And the corporate media is all ready to blame Trump. So Alex has just presented some tweets as his primary evidence for things.

One claim was that Trump's firings leading to these safety advisory positions being vacant, right? That was something that had a community note on it. Yeah, that was supposed to be the important thing. And the community note that Alex reads refuting it is sourced to the LA Times, which is part of the corporate media. Bummer. All of the examples he's providing of real media sources seem to be people clarifying

that it might not be good to just blame Trump. That seems counter to the entire premise that Alex is running with, and that's because his premise is a lie. It's a lie that he needs in order to create fascination and intrigue around this story, if he plans on reporting it as a conspiracy. He's dipped his toe into that water, and you can see the old tricks he pulls coming out. If this is just a situation where accidents happen and it's wrong to blame Trump for it, you can just move on and say that it's not his fault. But Alex is addicted to the game, so he starts talking about the story, and it's wrong to blame Trump for it, you can just move on and say that it's not his fault. But Alex is addicted to the game, so he starts talking about the story and it's not satisfying

to just move along. There's too many vague points that won't be understood for months until there's a full investigation of this incident. All of those vague points, those anomalies, for Alex, those represent profit. That's money that's being left on the table. He's introduced too many conspiracy elements to this story and started to incorporate his past predictions, like attacks on the power grid, into the narrative as a whole. It's gaining momentum, so now it's important to dress things up with the normal suspicious

patterns. Isn't it weird that the media all had their script so fast? It's almost like they knew what was going to happen in advance. This is a type of reporting Alex does that's based on feelings. He's creating the feeling that the media all had their story straight in half an hour. And that's suspicious. The goal of creating that feeling is to give the listener a reason to accept the conspiracy explanation for events that have happened before it's too late for actual explanations to be available to them to have answers to these questions that are now just quote unquote anomalies.

Alex knows that this is the way that he makes money. Tragedy happens and he comes up with interesting explanations for why the big bad imaginary enemies are totally secretly to blame for it. And the only way that things will ever get better is if you accept this interpretation and buy his sea moss. He understands that game. And that's why he can't just leave this well enough alone and say that accidents happen. It would be an act of him robbing himself. So you can, it's fascinating to me that like, it's a perfectly acceptable defense to say accidents happen. Any other human could lead the show with this is a tragedy, our hearts go out to everybody

who is involved, but Alex can't. Can't do it. It's directly counter to every money making instinct that he has. Yeah. Yeah. He must exploit tragedy. And it's smart. It's smart because what he's doing is the same thing that, you know, he's doing Twitter

engagement essentially. Some asshole posts it's all Trump's fault for doing the FFA or FFAA thing. You're hung up on the future farmers of America. Yeah right and then some other asshole is like no it's not and then they fight and then the LA Times gets a little community no and then they fight and then Alex says see they're all saying the same shit and then it's out here. Yeah. Ready the same shit. And then it's out here. Yeah. Ready to be shit on. And what's interesting to me about that is that like,

I perfectly conceive of how this is working on Twitter. And racking up views and numbers and stuff like that. Yeah. But as a radio show, it's not good. No. It's... It feels like a one-sided Twitter argument. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and as a continuation of Alex's career I think it's tragic not good

So that's fun. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it is like There was a certain amount of creativity back a back before Instantaneous news, you know where you'd have sports talk radio and they'd really have to spend an hour discussing something that could be five minutes long. Like, oh yeah, he needs to shoot better. Boom. They got to spend an hour. Ah, his girlfriend, that whole thing.

But now there's that like, oh, I don't even need to provide context. This guy sucks. Next one. This guy's, there's just so much constant information that it doesn't require the same creativity that it used to, you know? No, not at all. He's just responding to somebody.

Oh, the media always has it. Spend some time in there. Right. Yeah. And like, you know, for like, what you're describing, like back, these sports talk shows would be like, we're getting word from trainers So then right you know here's a situation with an ankle or whatever

Yeah, now it's just like some asshole said yeah with a like no picture on Twitter and an anonymous person some asshole Yeah, what does this have to do with the ankle? It's not even fun to do like Twitter handle at blank blank blank 69 420 anymore. It sucks. They are they're just everywhere. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Come on. I say boo to the Twitter. So Roger is back on because Trump called Alex and you know you got to got to milk that keep doing it and the JFK files are going to come out any day now. Sure. So Roger has some excuses for why the JFK files aren't out yet. Last night you did an emergency broadcast of me and that's gotten tens of millions of views. Thanks to listeners for watching out of the Alex Jones Network Studios. And you were very clear that Trump told you

five years ago at the first declassification of 80% and then the new one he signed last week that has 15 days for them to develop the plan or law to release will, quote, seal the fate of the CIA and the deep state that we're still fighting basically the grandkids of and that Trump said to you it is just so horrible that he didn't release the first time and then went on CIA involvement. And I love most of the listeners know you're good friends with Trump and all the rest of it and Trump's even made some of those statements public. They said, what's the source? It's the president. But then you got a call and other folks and we got to, you know, without getting into all that, it's ridiculous for the idea that we would be saying something you would be saying something when you're a known confidant of Trump, that it

would be something that we were just making up. But Roger, recap all the history and then what you're expecting and what you've heard is obviously classified, so you just give just all seven about what is about to come out and why they're so scared. Well, Alex, I think you've got it exactly right. Back in the late 90s, a law was passed that mandated the release of all the declassification of all the materials pertaining to JFK's assassination. The date they set fell early

in Donald Trump's first term in 2017. And I brought it to his attention in a phone conversation. I said, you know, this is coming up. What are you going to do? He wasn't aware of the deadline, but he said he'd check into it. Then he got back to me and he said, you're right, this is all set to happen. What do you think I should do? And my recommendation was to release it all. It had been more than 50 years. There's nobody involved who is still alive by and large. And if elements of the government were involved in the murder of an American president, well, the American people should know that. So he told me he was going to think about it. And I got the strong impression he was

going to release everything. And then he released about 80% of it. Now we found out some very significant things in what he did release. For example, the KGB had run their own investigation. They had determined that there was a conspiracy, a plot, and that Lyndon Johnson was the centerpiece of it. The French intelligence had also run their own investigation, come up with the same conclusion. But then, ultimately, he released about 80 percent of it, held back about 20. And when I asked him why he did that, he told me that Mike Pompeo, then the head of the CIA, had convinced him that it was too explosive and it would expose the agency's methods and sources. So then I said, well, but you've seen it all, what is it?

And he said, it's so terrible, I can't tell you. I just can't tell you, but someday you'll know. Oh wow, Trump sounds like shit then. All right. This doesn't make Trump sound good. Here's what I got for you. Mike Pamporios, next flavor. You's what I got for you. Uh-huh Mike pom porios next flavor You know what has he put out an album? Oh, that's a good point. I don't never mind. No, no, no

I walk it back change. I don't need no no I'm gonna save it I'm gonna save this sure Mike Pompeo Oreos, and then I'll watch like a speech that he gave at the Council of Foreign Relations Okay, you know I'll eat the Oreo while listening to him wax on about foreign policy. That works. Um, look, that sounds bad. It doesn't sound good. I think, you know, you're trying to make a hero out of this Trump character. And I think that what you've shown is that he is weak and malleable and subordinate and

maybe a fabulist. Yeah. Valiable and Subordinate and maybe a fabulous. Yeah, you know, maybe he's telling you. Oh, you don't even know it's so crazy Maybe he's a liar and weak Yeah, it does feel like a lot of the times what they do is they just say the worst possible things But they make it sound like it's good If I look I maybe I have a devil a devil may care kind of streak to me But if I am in Trump's position sure I fuck around accidentally become president sure I find out about the JFK stuff, and I'm willing to tell a dear dear friend of mine that it's so horrible

Yeah, oh, it's so horrible. I've ever seen I would risk my life to release that. And if the CIA had said, you can't do it, I would say, well, we're at an impasse and this is coming out. Yeah, then you're dead. The CIA kills the president all the time. Then I lie to Pompeo. There haven't even been four presidents who have ever made a term.

They all get killed halfway through. Yeah. Replaced by a CIA spy. I think that what Roger is somewhat describing, though not putting it this way, is that Trump failed a test. Trump failed a very, very serious integrity test, and we're trying to create the appearance that that is a sign of character. And I think that sucks. Right.

No, I mean, in their world, showing moderation and restraint is not a sign of good moral character. No, no It's the wrong move being convinced to not blow the lid off JFK assassination stuff At the behest of Mike Pompeo. Yeah is not a flex I would be really nice if they just got it out of our fucking system. It would be nice if we were just fucking done with it. That's the only strong feeling I have about the declassification stuff. When I said I didn't care earlier, I do mean that I don't particularly care.

But that argument that you're making is the only... It's the only thing that makes it. What are we hiding? We've committed like two genocides since then move on right? Let's go. We've accepted whatever and this like specter of what could be in there Is so fucking annoying and it allows Alex and Roger to play these games. Yeah, so Alex back in the day He interviewed LBJ's Mistress that sounds right and Alex tells the story about it. And then Roger accidentally reveals that Alex might be remembering a Geraldo piece that he saw. That might be the one.

I interviewed Madeline Duncan Brown twice on my Axis TV show and once on my Syndicate Radio show in person. She still lived here in Austin. She was the admitted main mistress of LBJ, had a son with him. The main one. And- It was nice. She- I mean, he did have a lot. I it was a dead ringer for LBJ yeah but she was on record you know this is not even debated and and she said you know she was there a few days before uh in Dallas and you know he came in to have sex with in the hotel room and she told me this right there you know in the studio and she and and he said that son of a bitch Kennedy will never embarrass me again when he gets here a few days. And then she heard him talking to other men saying, I want that son of a bitch dead.

Yeah, there is all of that is accurate. It's interesting that I was in a green room with Geraldo Rivera at Fox. This was after I wrote my book. And I told him that I had seen his iconic interview with Madeleine Brown in which she tells him that the night before the assassination, she had an assassination with LBJ in the Fort Worth Hotel, and he squeezed her hand and said, tomorrow, I won't have to put it up

with those Irish sons of bitches ever again. Yeah, that's the exact quote. And she told me that we gotta find the video. And when I asked her I'll know about that. He said who's Madeline Brown? He's done a lot of stuff and I have it yeah, yeah, that's almost insulting I Mean to say it to Alex's face instead of just going with how about that? With how about that right? I think that there's something to be said for like, oh yeah, you know, after you did that interview, she was also on Geraldo, or something like that.

But to retell the exact story and refer to it as something that happened in an iconic Geraldo interview. Yeah. Or an iconic. The use of the word iconic is incredibly insulting yes, he chose that word very specifically Yeah, I think there's a passive aggression at very least that's it. I think he should give out pens You've just been rat-fucked by stone. You know like just boom there you go Well, I said iconic BAM there you go you got fucked mm-hmm. That's the way you should do it

Had those autographed stones Yeah, but that's really fucking stupid, and he should be embarrassed about that. I have one of them. A listener sent me one. Yeah, no, I understand, but you didn't come up with the idea of signing a rock. No, but it's a good idea if your name's Stone. Is it? Yeah, Oliver Stone did it.

Did he? Yep. God damn it, people with the name Stone gotta get their shit together. His son, who I've forgotten his name But is on an info war sometimes stone not a very creative Groupage of names so we got one last clip here And it's Alex trying to get into the weeds with Roger about this helicopter story And Roger and doesn't care

What do you make of this helicopter thing? I had a bunch of FAA experts on they say it is none of it makes sense if you look at how all this works the airspace. I don't care. What do you make of this helicopter thing? I had a bunch of FAA experts on. They say it is. None of it makes sense. If you look at how all this works stuff was turned off. This is

the most busy airspace in America. And this helicopter for minutes or saying, Stop, stop, stop. It's like flying around in the flight path. What the hell is that? First of all, we have to pray for all those victims of both aircrafts. It's so, the whole thing is so horrific, just horrific. In all honesty today, because of our great show last night,

I've been completely immersed in JFK, RFK and MLK because of the media inquiries that our show last night generated. So I've read a little bit about this. My son, as you know, is a very accomplished pilot. He told me, dad, something's not right here, but I haven't had a chance to have an extensive conversation with him. Well, as soon as you're able, I want to have you hit any other points. But what I love the president really liked last night's show too.

I heard that. Yes, I heard that. From who? Well, I'm just, I mean, I mean, I'm flattered. He was watching The president is a big fan of yours Knows you stuck with him through thick and thin you've took in some criticism I remember when I first went to you we met at the at the during the JFK Memorial celebrations and I said to you, you know what Donald Trump's gonna be president and said well, you know Ted Cruz is a Texan. He's been talking to me and I've been thinking about maybe supporting him I'm not that political really I said Alex

Donald Trump is gonna be president and and you have here's the parents with Republican primary voters because the giant audience of Conservatives who watch infowars and if anyone will read my book, The Making of the President 2016, which you can find at stonezone.com. No, that's totally true, but I'd met you a few years before at another JFK deal, but I remember you saying, hey, I'm coming to Austin. Trust me, he's gonna be the president. And I knew you were a serious guy. I said, well, come on, and you got me on board. This is like Steve Pacenek telling Alex, like, I've misled you for 20 years. The whole thing. The whole thing. I'm fascinated by the energy difference between the two of them though.

Like Roger knows he's connected to Trump and so he kind of has a little bit of big dick energy. Sure. Sure. Sure. You know, there's a little bit of like, I don't have to prove anything. Doesn't have, he's very relaxed. Yeah. And Alex is desperate to demonstrate this connection and use Roger to validate it. Yeah, his desperation is delectable. Yep, both delectable and loud.

Yes. So also, the way he's describing their relationship is shady. Roger is telling Alex that Trump is gonna win so he should get on board. Like, it sounds more like a negotiation than trying to get someone to support a candidate. A little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That is bad. I mean, boy, just hearing the words like, oh, you were telling me I'm not very political, like, wow. The Infowars guy? Yep, yep, yep, not very political, huh? The guy who worked for Pat Buchanan's campaign before he was on the air and tried to get Ron Paul elected for decades. I don't really care about Ted Cruz. You just never know. How would the present... It's a coincidence. How would the presentation on Alex's show in 2015 have been different if he was like,

I'm talking to... I'm a hired gun. I'm talking to Ted Cruz about maybe supporting his campaign, but hey, this Roger Stone guy is coming around and he's making some pretty compelling points. Hey, I'm up for grabs. How would that be different than the way he actually tried to present himself on air? Well, because his whole thing is everybody else takes a big bag of money to say whatever it is that they're saying to you. And it would look real bad if he said, I took a big bag of money to say whatever it is that they're saying to you. And it would look real bad

if he said, I took a big bag of money to say this to you. Right. And a metaphorical big bag of money. It might not even have been money. Not even big enough. Validation. Whatever amount, it was not big enough. Hey, Roger, will you play along while I pretend that I'm Trump's best friend? Yeah, sure. I'll do that for you. I got that. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's it.

You will be close to power. Yeah. Yep. You will be close to power. Yeah You've always wanted legitimacy It has been given to you and then like the ironic genie wishes of old Ted Cruz I'm gonna give a fuck about you. No, I'll still come on and be passive aggressive with you and give you a pen Yeah, you got to get pens. That's the way to go. Yeah Man, it really adds insult to injury if you get handed a pen because a card sure but that could be anything a pen That's a man who's got 48 cents to spend. Yeah And you should probably make it like a funny font

Oh on the pen event if anything it should reveal a naked Roger Stone whenever you flip it over Oh, that would be good. That's the way to do it. That'd be good. Yep. That's our next march. Yep. Make it Roger Stone pens. That's the way to do it. Welcome to the Stone Bone Zone. Right? Yep. So anyway, there's a lot going on in the world and I feel like we are not capturing a great deal of it. Not here. I feel like there's almost like an ability to cover a thing, you know? know like there was the plane crash and Alex was able to try and struggle with that yeah I just I was looking through like a list of Trump's executive orders and shit and it's just baffling the amount of stuff that is not being addressed on his show yeah yeah but what

do you expect, I guess? I mean, he doesn't have time to get into, am I sure that it was a coincidence? He doesn't have time for that. How could he get into 200 executive orders? Just not possible. Well, do I think this is just the way things work in a complex world?

Do I think it is? I think that's something that if he did the level of preparation that he pretends to, he maybe should have come to a conclusion before getting on air about that. You know, but that's the thing about this funny mixed up world of ours. So complicated. He didn't have time. No, he couldn't think about whether cause and effect is a thing.

Normally he has time, but this time out of nowhere. Coincidence. So anyway, we'll be back with another episode. See where... Ooh, we might get back with another episode. See where oh We might get into February. Hey, ooh Very excited Super Bowls around the corner getting there. Yeah, that'll be great. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that So that'll be down the road, but until then we have a website indeed. We do it's knowledgefight.com Yep, we'll be back but until then I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor

I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZXClerk, I am the mysterious professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you.