Knowledge Fight - #102: Alex On Russian Media

Episode Date: November 14, 2017

Today, Dan sits down with Jordan and explains to him some of the times over the years that Alex Jones has appeared on Russian media. The appearances range from the "apologizing for America" to "Alex actively getting compromised with excessive dishonest flattery." We're not sure this proves anything, but it is an interesting glimpse into this aspect of Alex and how incredibly stupid he is.

Andy and Chanzos, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're wearing the same thing in this episode as the last one. I can't understand why that would happen. There were five minutes between episodes.

I think it might be because we're disgusting human beings. That's also a very relevant possibility. We are disgusting human beings who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. That is what we do. Is there a reason why you would, or perhaps, is there a reason why we would record two episodes back to back? Uh, getting work done.

Some sort of interesting... Just getting work in? Some sort of like a hook. Some sort of twist. Like a blues traveler style slash Stephen King style twist. The reason is like, look, the world is what it is. It's a terrifying place. I happen to know a lot about Alex Jones, and I see it as my duty to teach you who knows nothing about Alex Jones about this before it's too late.

That makes me sound like a buffoonish child. No, you know a lot about a lot of other things, but just not Alex Jones. Not Alex Jones. I happen to believe it's one of the most important areas of study in our times, and we can debate whether that's true, because I'm leaning towards it's not. You know what? Here's the other thing. I'm actually leaning towards you, but even harder.

We shouldn't be looking for any kind of media grants or anything like that. No. Let me tell you something, Dan. You and me adjunct professors. I like this. That's what we're doing now. You know what though? History of modern propaganda slash Alex Jones is a dick bag.

I think we could teach that at a junior college. I think so, too. I bet we could. I bet we could get at least 20 grand for it. Let's do it. Do a little bit of research between us. I'd still take it. I was going to say that's 20 grand more than we currently have.

That's certainly right. But we could have 20 grand if George Soros goes to our website, knowledgefight.com. There we go. Support the show button. And if you would like to do that, you could become a policy wonk. Or if you already donated and you want to bump that number up, you could become a foreign policy wonk like one of our new foreign policy

wonks. We got a new one today. Oh, oh, shit. Actually, this gentleman came to Chicago and we had a great time hanging out with him over the weekend. We did. It was a blast. It was very fun.

Although it was very hungover the next day. Very. But like to give a shout out to our new foreign policy wonk. What's going on out there, John? I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Yeah.

John, you are a super cool dude. Yeah. You are, I think one of the very, very few policy wonks who have ever seen me do stand up. Yeah. You went out and watched. You do a set. Yep.

Just very. I apologize. President heavy. I apologize heartily, John. And that's that's the other thing. If you would like to. We are too accessible. If you would like to see me do stand up, follow me on.

I don't have any social media and I do not post any of my gigs anywhere. I will find a video and send it to you though. Please don't. Please don't. But no, for real, it was super fun to hang out and meet someone who likes the show and is actually like very interesting guy, very nice guy. Yeah. And if you're ever in town policy walks out there, feel free to hit us up.

We'll probably have a drink with you. And to be honest, even if you are a serial killer, we'd be like, well, this isn't a bad way to go. And we'd be, we'd be in public. We would be in public. I don't think we'd meet a serial killer in private somewhere, anything like that. But yeah, it's great. It's really cool to me that, you know, we have cool fans, everybody that I've

interacted with online and our chat room for the live shows are all super cool and not dicks. Even to people like sometimes we get Alex Jones fans in the chat room and they don't, they don't attack them. I like that. Yeah. I like that they're not assholes to people. And I think we've done a good job of cultivating a reasonable fan base.

I think we have an incredibly reasonable, intelligent fan base. Everyone makes fun of me for using the word reasonable. That is why we are all not so much larger. We are not so popular. It's the price we pay. It turns out reasonable and intelligent people where we're running low. If we pick fights, we would be much better. Oh yeah.

So today, Jordan, what we're going to be going over is I wanted to do a little bit of a look at Alex Jones and his relationship with Russian media because you got a telescope. All right. All right. There we go. What? Dropping bits.

I might not understand the bit. I wanted to get a look at, all right, screw you, dad. Screw you, dad. Don't you dare take a sip while I half hazardly explained the moderately terrible bit I just gave. So what I did, Jordan, as I went back and I watched a number of instances of Alex Jones's appearances on RT and then also I have put together a montage of Alex Jones when he was a guest on Alexander Dugan's show right after

Donald Trump was elected president. Great. I'm not sure what a lot of this proves, but it's an interesting glimpse and I want to add this glimpse into the picture even before we get started. Yeah. One of the things that I learned from this exploration is that there's a high incidence of Alex Jones regulars who are also regulars on RT. People like Paul Craig Roberts is on all the time.

Gerald Salenti, Peter Schiff. These people often go on, or on RT and make fairly anti-American arguments. Like listen to this. I'm going to start with a clip of Paul Craig Roberts who's a guy who is on Alex's show very regularly. Here he is on RT. I would say this is just talking shit on America. So the American economy is descending into a third world economy in which the

only jobs available are domestic services such as barbers, waitresses, and bartenders. There's slightly more than that. So this is not the picture of a superpower. Agree to some extent. Well, I mean, that's a dumb argument to make. Using his particular examples in proof. I do think he's correct though. I don't, I don't, I do not agree.

I think we're descending into a third world country. When you look at our infant mortality rate going up, you got to be like, well, there's maybe some argument to be had. No, that's because of the vaccines they're giving to the white babies. That makes sense. Right. You got me back on board. Pro-America all the way.

Well, here's the thing. Our economy isn't descending into a third world economy. Our economy has been getting steadily better since 2008. That argument is silly. A lot of the jobs that are available are in service industries and in that sector. That's mainly because manufacturing has become roboticized. That's not all of the jobs. That is one snapshot, but there's a lot of other jobs.

There are tons of other ones. That's an overly simplistic view. I don't think we're descending into a third world economy, but we're not, we're not what we were 70 years ago or whatever. But that's because modernization happens. Right. That's a silly argument to be making. And at the end, him saying, this is not a superpower, is not justifiable based on the numbers.

Based on what he gave as examples, I think you're correct. Based on the overall reality, I think you might be wrong. I think we are watching a former superpower decline. That may be. In the same way that you saw... That may be, but you need to look... If that is true, you're predicting the future in a way that's a little irresponsible. I'm using history to predict the future, which I think is a relatively reasonable idea to do.

But if everybody understands history, there's a way you can cut things off at the past, which we're not doing. Which we're definitely not doing. Right. But I mean, if you look at the way that Rome ended, this is fairly similar. There are some similarities. There are a lot of similarities. Not least to mention so many different states within Rome and its outlying territory, starting to break away from each other ideologically and really by geography.

I would posit that you having these thoughts and you having these positions is pretty reasonable. And we're doing a podcast here and that's fine. We can spout these things. If you were to go on Russian television, Russian state-owned television, and say that America is not a superpower and descending into a third-world country, it has a different flair to it, to me, a little bit. Well, see, but the way that I would do that is then put, comma, like you guys, Russia. Interesting strategy, I support it.

The thing, and I realize that this is a little bit of a small example, but it is the trend among all of his guests that end up going on. The Robert David Steele's, the Gerald Salentes, the Peter Schiff's, they go on and they say negative things about America. Right. And that's not a coincidence. No, of course not. So let's start off here.

I mean, if you are a state-owned propaganda outlet, you are not going to give both sides equal view. Like if you were, say, some sort of massive media company that has a hard right bent, you would definitely not give equal view to climate change. No. You would absolutely insist that the weakest and most idiotic people represent the more reasonable position. They're in making it look like you guys are the smartest. Let's go, let's go have scientists on Fox News as opposed to let's have a weirdo, like, let's say, Tammy Loran. Exactly.

Tommy Loran, go on and talk shit on the scientists as opposed to having the scientists on them. Makes more sense. Right. It's a better game. Yeah. So here is a clip from 2008 of Alex Jones going on RT to discuss the Georgian conflict. If you'll recall, Georgia and Russia got into a war over South Ossetia and another area that I can't remember the name. Well, they were not selling as many colorful suits.

Yeah, that's, that was, that was the problem. That's an Atlanta, that was a church in Atlanta joke. Okay. Thank you very much. That might have been a little subtle. A little bit. A little bit subtle. It was South Ossetia and Abkhazia where the two regions where there were separatist rebels that Russia gave support to and they flared up and started a bit of fighting.

And Russia annexed them and declared them to be sovereign areas. Isn't that interesting? Very similar to what happened in Crimea and very similar to without the armed conflict aspect of it. Something that Russia has been doing to their neighbors in small degrees for the whole time Putin's been around. So here is Alex in the wake of the Russia-Georgia conflict on Russian television. While the shooting may be over, the war of words continues. Russia has criticized the Western media for what it's called its bias view on the conflict, but not all journalists blame Russia for the conflict. Alex James from theinfowar.com website blames or claims that rather than American viewers have been deceived by the coverage.

First off, let me say I am ashamed as an American. I'm a loyal American who loves my country, but my country has been taken over by a private international military industrial complex and they launched the sneak attack on the Russian enclaves of Abkhazia and other areas. As you know on 888, using the cover of the Olympic games and a dastardly sneak attack on the order of Pearl Harbor in World War II. You know it's real. I'm just so ashamed our country has been hijacked and is being used to do this. I was watching foreign news and I knew that the U.S.-backed Georgians, the Israeli and NATO-backed Georgians had snuck attack viciously and were hunting down and killing civilians, attacking the peacekeepers, just unprecedented crimes. What do you think he's talking about when he says foreign media? Oh boy.

I was watching you. Yeah. In our modern age, the 21st century. It definitely wasn't getting that from the BC. CNN and Fox and even BBC and they were reporting that Russia, it was headlines, Russia invades Georgia, Russia sneak attacks and our leaders went on television and said that we would have to have a new Cold War. It was such an insult to the American people's intelligence that the United States backed Georgia. And I apologize as an American that we've let our government have been taken over like this. This is not the United States that I grew up in.

The neocons in NATO, in the U.S. and Israel want to have a new Cold War. I just hope Russia keeps the troops in Georgia so no more sneak attacks can be lost because the dictator, and we know he was elected under fraud, but there in Georgia has said that he plans, he said it last week, to attack again as soon as he can. So please, Russia does not need to leave these areas that have been part of Russia for years. Abkhazia and Ossetia, because we don't want violence. The American people don't want this. We want to be friends with Russia. The Anglo-American Western New World Order system based in, of course, London and New York and D.C.

They have hijacked the U.S. They have implemented continuity of government. They have geared up for martial law camps here. They're destroying our republic. They're destroying our freedoms. They're coming after the free press. And so they're using NATO expansion as a way to widen the war throughout Central Asia and then to the West through Eastern Europe and Central Europe. And I really appreciate the fact that Russia has been restrained in all of this.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. Wow. There's a lot of problems with that, like, narratively. There's a lot of problems with that, historically. Oh, yeah? Yeah. The leader in Georgia that he's referring to was a sort of Western sympathetic ruler that came to power.

And he's not a dictator, but he was leaning towards trying to join the U.N. He wanted protection from that guy to his east. Didn't want to have that guy anywhere near him. And of course, like any of these geopolitical struggles, it had to do with the fucking pipeline. Yep. And Russia didn't want to be there because it took away from their funds. They didn't make as much money. Yeah, exactly.

If they're producing oil, that's competition and they don't want competition because then they don't make as much money. It's the same thing with Crimea. Yeah. It's strange. It's all a very, very simple calculus. And why would Georgia never have been allowed in the U.N.? Because Russia can negotiate on the Security Council with the rest of the U.N. And be like, hey.

We're going to take Georgia. And you guys don't have the balls to stop us. And other members of the Security Council, when that was being discussed, the idea of putting forward a map of them joining, their position was that would be seen as an undue insult or an attack on Russia. And so that didn't move forward. But what did move forward? China definitely isn't going to sign off on a quote, undue attack on Russia. No.

And so we have this. We have this situation where there are areas where, sure, you can make the argument that they used to be part of the Soviet Union. And some of the people there identify with Russia as its bordering. Right. But it's not a part of Russia. That's not their country. No. The lines are very clear about national sovereignty and stuff like that.

It goes to Alex's, like, his belief that secession is okay and that sort of thing. Right. Now, there is some of that. Actually, I have a pretty significant question that is such a huge blind spot because I never really even thought about it. How were the borders drawn up immediately after the fall of the Soviet Union? Were they pre-Soviet Union borders or did they have to redistrict everything? I think they would have had to rewrite everything, right? And how would you do so?

Well, in the 10th century AD, Georgia for the first time emerged as an ethnic concept in the territories where the Georgian language was used to perform Christian rituals. All right. Fast forward. After the Mongol invasion of the region. Fast forward. No. Okay. So there's that.

Move ahead. The Independent Democratic Republic of Georgia was invaded by the Red Army in 1921 and Soviet government was installed. The government of Soviet Georgia created an autonomous administrative unit for the Transcaucasian Ossetians in April 1922 called the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast. Historians such as Stephen F. Jones and some other folks believe that the Bolsheviks granted this autonomy to the Ossetians in exchange for their help in fighting the Democratic Republic of Georgia, since the area had never been a separate entity prior to the Russian invasion. South Ossetia had not been a separate region. Yeah. Yeah.

So the Democratic Republic of Georgia predated the Soviet Union coming and invading them. Right. So I don't know how it worked with all of the Soviet territories that split up after that, but they predated. So there's that. Right. I don't know all the boundaries of all these other countries, but there's that. And of course, of course, you're going to have people who identify in the Soviet Union because they've never lived with anything else. Sure.

Like from when they were born, they've always been. We have people who still believe in the Confederacy. Exactly. Of course. There's that. I mean, if you had, let's say, a situation where Canada was a sneaky, sneaky power. Right. And they were trying to bolster the credibility of the remnants of the Confederacy in our country.

It would be fairly similar. Yeah. They could be like, you know, Alabama was really more importantly part of the Confederacy. It wasn't really part of the United States. Or if... They kind of got forced into it. If the Civil War had just ended with us becoming two separate countries, plenty of people in the South would still identify as North Americans. Sure.

It's incredibly complicated. And Alex went on Russian television and just supported the exact Russian line on it. And that's kind of common. It's kind of common, you're going to see. Because one of the other things that is a big thorn in the side of Russia regaining a lot of the territory that it lost when the Soviet Union broke up, a lot of the power, a lot of the money that they could be making through oil reserves and stuff like that is UN sanctions. Right. It is a complete disaster for them because they keep encroaching on their neighbors and the UN's not thrilled with that.

They're not happy with it. No. So here's another clip of Alex on RT talking about the UN. What would you do to fix it? Is it possible to fix it? You know, is there any solution here? Well, that's a great question. The United Nations inherently was designed for fraud and corruption.

No, it wasn't. And taking over sovereign nations. Did they write that down? It's also being used at the international level to pass laws to take U.S. sovereignty. That's the globalist model. And so you can't do anything good with the UN overall because its mission is to set up a covert world government that's now come out of the open. Not really. Right.

I thought that its mission was to set up a overt world government. Isn't that kind of a cooperative expression of, hey, let's not all kill each other? Yeah. That's really the mission that it's set out for was let's not have another world war. Right. Hey, you guys want to fight. Guess what? We're all hanging out.

Come on over. We'll talk it out. Maybe you guys won't fight. Right. And even with whatever extreme nationalist version of the world, Alex wants to create. And these other people want to create. There is going to be a United Nations. There has to be.

It's the only way that you can coordinate your dumb nationalism. Because even if you have these nationalist entities that go all in, everybody's got weird unilateral treaties with each other. Right. Eventually you're going to butt up against each other. Eventually there's going to be some need for collective bargaining with each other. Because otherwise nothing will ever get done. And guess what? Guess what?

Once that happens and you have this national collection of nations that are getting together under some slightly different name for the exact same goal, there will be corruption within it. And there will be inadequacies. There will be times when atrocities take place and they're supposed to stop it and they fuck it up. That's going to happen no matter what. That's the score. Yes. The situation with the... I suppose we'll call it upside down UN?

Yeah. The situation there is... The UUN. Yeah. The Dark Universe UN. Yeah. The situation there is if you've got a bunch of nationalist countries, eventually you're going to get into disputes of... Just like we talked about with the Soviet Union, your American nationalists are going to start saying,

well, Mexico was part of the United States. Right. We own that territory. Why don't we have it? Well, Mexico will rebut. Part of the United States was Mexico. Right. And like, ooh, we have reached a stalemate.

But is Mexico in the Dark United Nations? Nope. I'm afraid not. No. So the Dark United Nations is not going to stand up and say, hey, we can't let you do that. Right, because Mexico is too chaotic due to all the cartels and what have you to get their shit together and be admitted into the Dark Side UN. Frankly, I think in this Dark UN Universe, they would say it is actually a police action. It is an act of benevolence for the nationalist United States to annex Mexico.

Right. In the same way that it was a national benevolence for Russia to reabsorb the Ukraine. Or Germany to invade neighbors. Well, frankly, they're getting Poland back pretty quick if the Nazis... Through subversion. Yeah, the only people that don't want more Nazis in Poland are the Nazis in Germany. So yeah, I mean, that's the thing that you really butt up into when you get into Alex's views about the UN. Because his ideas about what they were created for obviously not accurate.

But his ideas of what the world will end up being in his fantasy scenario don't even work necessarily. So him coming on to RT and saying that the UN is beyond fixing and its only function is corruption. That's manna from heaven to the people, the propagandists at RT. They're like, yes, absolutely. This is exactly what we think. What he's really describing is FIFA. You don't get that, do you? I didn't have time to... I'm sorry, would the International Olympic Committee be a far more apt comparison?

Sure, any of these things. Yeah, that's what they're really describing, not the United Nations. As much corruption as I'm sure there is in the United Nations, of which there is a shit ton. Tons. You know, they hung out with Silvio Berlusconi, who happily to report is making a comeback, is making his sixth comeback. Any of these fucking bodies that you have end up lending themselves to corruption. And legitimately, the only way that you work against that is regulation and oversight. Those are the only things that are going...

And applying the rule of law equally across boundaries. Well, and you can look at it. You can say, like, we have a federal government and it's full of corruption. That's why states are important. Like, look at the state governments. There's tons of corruption in state governments. Okay, well, let's get down to city government. There's tons of corruption in city government.

Any kind of organized power body is going to have those elements within it. So you get watchdog groups. So you get strict regulations. So when people are caught doing things, they are punished appropriately. Right. And you do that internationally, that works too. How do you stop the financial crash of 2008 or the one in 1929 or the one in 1987? The one in 2019.

The one in 2018. I'm going to go with... I'm being generous. Is you put the people who caused it in jail forever. Right. Forever and ever. Right. Because it's cruel and unusual to use a guillotine on them on live TV.

But... I mean, Alex even uses the example of... It's Iceland, right? That jailed all the bankers that... Yeah. Oh, they got fucked. Yeah. And he even uses that example.

And I think he takes the wrong lesson from it, necessarily. The right lesson is those war crimes that were committed and people were punished appropriately. And Iceland's economy has recovered and has acted more fairly in the absence of those fucking corrupt assholes. And with appropriate oversight and, like you say, reasonable application of the law across the board. Yeah. Those things are possible on a national level, on an international level. Right. And that's what we should be working towards.

Not the dismantling of the UN that only really serves the purposes of hostile actors. Right. That's not what we want. And it's such a... It's even more than that. It's such a simple psychological concept that everybody feels infinitely more safe when the law is applied equally. It is... It is so...

It's such a small thing, but think about how much more comfortable you are if the law is, oh, I'm not treated any less fairly than the richest guy or the poorest guy. Yeah. We're all treated the same. Every day you wake up far more safe. Every day, every black person that wakes up never worries about the cops. Because they know they're going to be treated the same way that a billionaire would be treated. It really seems like that would be a good way to get legitimate prosperity.

Right. And every billionaire goes to sleep wondering if the next day is the day that they die. Yeah. Because also, in my fantasy, the law is applied equally and I am the leader of roving bands of coyotes. Oh boy. Yeah. Wait, people getting people over the border? Nope.

Oh. Literal coyotes. Literal coyotes. I think you have to pronounce coyotes then. I have them pull a sled and I just go from Fortune 500 company to the next. Like reverse Santa Claus. In a hypothetical sense, I support your mission. So this next clip.

I told you that Alex Jones, a lot of his guests appear frequently as guests on RT. And he has one guest in particular who has his own show on RT and has for years. There's a gentleman by the name of Max Kaiser. We know him from his cryptocurrency Max Bucks and from that one time he tried to get Alex to be reasonable about the idea of gun insurance and Alex freaked out. Right. So we know him from that. Here is a clip of Max Kaiser and Alex Jones having a conversation.

This is on Alex's show. And let me tell you this. Alex is smiling the biggest smile I've ever heard. Disgusting. Ever seen right at the beginning of this clip when Max gives him a little bit of news. Disgusting. The economy because like you said it's a mixed bag. Vladimir Putin says to say hello by the way.

Did that really happen? Oh yeah. He said when you say Alex Tom I said hello. That's crazy. Yeah. I'm going to go over there though. I'm going to introduce interview Putin this year. Really?

Yeah. Going over there. I was told by the head of RT America. He's like eight nine years ago Putin's big listener. And by the way he likes that you play. He imitated me at the 10 year anniversary. I know you're a big star all over the world but Putin knows you. Yeah.

He's imitated me. I did this thing where David Cameron ripped his shirt off at the governor's dinner and he looked at this clip and he said your journalists are very interesting. The one that Max who ripped his shirt off is very interesting. Let's get back to the Putin thing. This will be newsworthy. Let me hear this. What do you say?

Well I'm just telling what he said. You know he's imitating me. Last event tour was there at the dinner. I came out of the tour and told me that. Leave my name out of this asshole. Say hello to Alex Jones. He's going to come on my show this year. Moscow is beautiful in the springtime.

We actually got reached out two years ago by some people and I checked. It was like yes, Putin wants to come on but he wants to talk about hunting because you're from Texas and I was just like. I noticed you like to go bear chested now. I think Putin started that. I did that as a joke. That whole bear chesting thing. He made a picture of himself on a horse with his shirt off like Putin.

I trolled the media as he, much like calling Obama a sperm bank or whatever the fuck. Sure. Liberal is crazy because Putin dares to be heterosexual. Should we Google Alex Jones on a horse? Alex Jones on a horse. You know Putin's heterosexual. I'm not bragging but aren't those some big pecs? People are saying awesome pecs.

This is live. This is on air. You've got Putin pecs. Alex Putin pec. That's right. He on the horse, all naked. So this is what drives the liberals crazy. Especially in Britain where not a single person in government would be classified as, you know.

I shouldn't have been laughing because I was laughing at it. Are you guys going to fuck me up? I did it to troll him and then the media was like in a whole bunch of newspapers they go. He's a role model. He's bringing peace around the world. He's a statesman. I am a Russian agent. And Trump figures.

You know what the greatest way is? Alex one has completely stopped listening. He stopped listening the moment he heard Putin says hi. He's like I am just going to be the happiest school girl in the world. Let me put up the picture where I imitated him. Isn't it cute? Maybe he'll see this. Are you saying he got my note?

Right. The one that said do you like Alex Jones? Yes or no? And then the really funny thing is like at the end there he's like scroll down the one we did about Planet of the Apes. And I guess they did another parody picture of something with Planet of the Apes. But the person scrolls down and then immediately has to get off the Google image search. Because there's a bunch of like one's that crosses through Stars of Davis. Of course.

It's just like oh shit. Abort. Abort. Oh no we don't want the we don't want to. Don't make the subtext text. We don't want to air that we're aware of how hateful our audience is. That sort of thing. Oh shit. So yeah I mean like when we really get down to it he's beaming.

When he hears that Putin likes him and wants to say hi. Wants to come on and talk about hunting. Right. Whatever the fuck man. He wants to come on it. That's just indicative to me of how. Have you hunted the most dangerous game? Oh boy.

Yes. Is it South of Sessions? No it is actually apartment buildings. No it's Johnny Leguizamo. It's Johnny Legues. Oh. From the past. Okay.

Do you not remember that one? He do a one man show. No that was. No it's the movie where he gets hunted. The most dangerous game. It's like a stand up of the most dangerous game. I remember that. Yeah.

Yeah. I just got conflated because the only thing I can think of when I hear John Leguizamo is that he did that one man show where he played all the characters in it. There was like a bunch of characters. I assume it was the most. I assume it was the most well received one man show in the history of the world. The person who. In the same way that Super Mario Brothers is the best video game adaptation movie that

I've ever seen. It's great. It's amazing. John Ant Spawn was the best comic book movie. Can't think of any other John Leguizamo movies. Anyway. He's great and John Wick. He turned himself into a good character actor later in life.

I still have not seen that. It's such a great movie. Right here. You know what? Do you know what happens in it? And you'll never believe this. All right. A lot of people get killed.

It's a Keanu Reeves movie. Right. He is an invincible assassin. Do they do gun kate like in the Matrix? Pretty much. Okay. Cool. Pretty close to it.

So someone else who believes in the Matrix is Alex. Not a great transition. That wasn't the good one. So after the election. And we've talked about this a bit. We've made reference to this a bit. Yes. After the election, Alex Jones almost immediately gets an invitation over Skype to be on Alexander

Dugan's show on Russian television. Yeah. And as we know, Alexander Dugan is a philosopher of note. He is a... He has dispenser. Yeah. And I mean, the only way really to put it is he has had a lot of foundational ideas with anti-liberalism.

And when we say liberalism, we're not talking about liberals. We're talking about freedom. The American system. He's a fascist. He is against anything that takes people into the collective. Or what have you. There's a lot of bizarre ideas about... Or 2017 instead of 1884.

Indeed. Well, we can re-delve back into a little bit of his philosophies as we go through this, because we're going to play a bit of Alex's appearance on the show. And I think it's fairly telling. I know that we've in the past made reference to how much he's getting his balls sucked on this show. But you haven't listened to it. And you haven't heard just how much.

He's going to get his balls sucked? And the entire time this is going on. Because most of this is going to be these Russian people talking. Alex looks like he's going to cry. He looks so thrilled to be getting these sort of accolades that like you did a good job. Well, actually, Alexander Dugan hired somebody to sound him underneath the chair. Okay, that's possible. Anything's possible.

You know what sounding is? Yes, I do. It's fun stuff. We have a special program today because in a few moments we are joined by a legendary American journalist, Alex Jones. But before that, let's see the short piece about our today's special guest, Alex Jones. Mainstream media, the fourth estate, is molding us today. We form our worldview, our perception of reality, depending on how the mainstream media presents

the information to us. So just a quick assessment of what's going on because this isn't visual. They're playing a video package about how great Alex is. And it's all in Russian. And so the voice you hear is Alex's Russian employee Daria doing the translation. That's fun. Yeah. And to us, in the Western world, the dictatorship of the liberal paradigm is all too obvious

when it comes to the media. But it's become especially brazen during the US presidential race. All the big media moguls openly supported the war criminal Hillary Clinton. Round the clock with the help of lies and distortions and fake polls, they praised her political platform and assured of her inevitable win. Meanwhile, all the front pages of every other publication portray Trump as a loser, intentionally exaggerating his supposed dark past, his words taken out of context, and repeated over and over on all media outlets.

On November 8, the main Western media operations had already prepared their November 9 issue with Hillary's portrait on the cover and headline, Madam President. I would like just to rebut against that. They also had a version prepared where Trump won. That's kind of how it works. It's like the Super Bowl t-shirt. Exactly. They have to do that.

Yeah. There's no way, especially with an election that ends up going into like before someone conceded, it was like three in the morning. Yeah. They had to press. The idea of getting the copies out, of course they had pre-made graphics for everybody and something leaked. Yeah.

Of course. It's embarrassing in the same way as the Dewey defeats Truman kind of shit, but that's what people do. Every single presidential election that has ever happened, I guarantee there is some facsimile of the loser winning that exists somewhere. It's not worth punching about. But instead of underprivileged kids in Africa wearing New England Patriots 2004 Super Bowl shirts, they're wiping their ass with pictures of Hillary.

And underprivileged propagandists get to make hay out of it. And television programs have prepared reports praising the Lady Kingpin of the world financial elites. Something went wrong and all the pre-scripted news packages turned a complete fiasco. They've put everything on the line and failed miserably. The pre-determined Clinton win has suffered a death blow. The numbers spoke for themselves. Trump won.

No one in the U.S. mainstream media believed or wanted to believe in Trump. No one except for those in the scientific polls. Because he lost by three million votes. And won dynamic, highly passionate, energetic and unrelenting journalist and documentary producer Alex Jones, the director and editor-in-chief of Infowars News. It is this journalist who had the courage to show the truth of what is really going on in the United States. Full disclosure, I work for him.

For many years he has been fighting the false narratives of the mainstream media information. He has exposed the globalist liberal ideology prevailing in a totalitarian style on the modern western media front. He reported on the financial elites, their stakes and strategies during the election. Alex Jones believes that behind all the world's media outlets there's an ideological liberal agenda. You know who else believes that? Can't think of anybody.

Nazis. Can't think of anybody. Media. Can't think of anything. Which aims at building a unipolar empire. This world government manipulates all the prominent media systems for the sake of their own personal interests. He was all but ostracized for continually exposing the war crimes of Hillary Clinton.

And minimizing those of Putin. And his website suffered repeated denial of service attacks. But they couldn't stop him. His videos continue to gather hundreds of thousands of views. Infowars.com was practically the only resource where the elections were covered thoroughly and objectively. Ha. Balls.

Sucked. And they discussed the weak elite stumps. Infowars has built itself to starve the interests of the American people. This media organization showed its independence from the world financial elites. It showed its sovereignty from its globalist owners. Still going, huh? When all the mainstream liberal media have utterly been discredited, revealing themselves as puppets in full wars along with the new independent media outlets are becoming powerful

forces in the new era and new paradigm, which ushered Donald Trump. So that is a long fucking intro. But it's essential for like buttering up Alex. Like he's already on board, but this is like the payoff for him. This is you did a good job, son. All right, all right. All of the things. All of the things.

Four stars. Go home and tell your mother. Yeah. Tell her you're brilliant. Yeah. All of these things are basically just like, you know this, Alex, you believe this to be true. Yeah.

And now you're hearing us repeat it. Yeah. You're on the right side. Yeah. Yeah. Stick with us. We get it. You get it.

Done. Everybody's happy now. It's nuts. And I really do truly believe that there is, it's kind of fun to say something is lost in translation because they're Russians, right? But I do think that something is lost on Alex in terms of when Alexander Dugan and the Russians say liberalism and when he says liberalism. Why do you say that?

Because Alex Jones's libertarian beliefs still rely on liberalism. They still rely on our systems of freedom, our Western ideals. I disagree. You disagree? Yeah. I don't think Alex has any idea what Western ideas are about. He can espouse them all he wants, but as we've seen now, he's a fascist propaganda outlet. He doesn't believe in America.

He doesn't even like America. No, he's clear. He's clear whenever he goes on RT. He's an American patriot. Yeah, no, but he's not. Right. But he is. He says he is.

I know, but he hates America. He says he is. Like he doesn't like the Constitution because it disagrees with him. He likes one part of it. Right. Right. The part that allows him to have guns. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't like any of our systems. He doesn't think that there should be checks on power. No. Well, he does when liberals are in charge. Right. Right.

But not now. But generally speaking, whenever there's a ideological service that he wants to make law for everyone, regardless of reality or fact, he's on board. Yeah. So I don't think he likes America. I don't think most of these people actually like America. I don't. I don't.

I don't think they do either. But I still think that in his head, the future he conceives of for America does still rely on liberalism. How so? Imagine what's the future in his head before we go any further? What's the future? Well, there's a disconnect between what his rhetoric leads to and what he thinks it leads to.

Right. Because I don't think like we can very clearly see that, you know, were he to reach the logical extension of most of the things that he espouses, you would end up pretty quickly descending into a white ethno state where everyone's armed and everyone's afraid of each other. And everyone is disenfranchised. There's no social nets, safety nets. There's no income in the government. It's serfdom.

Yeah. And this is unregulated. Children are back in the caves. Smog is our only source of oxygen. Yeah. I know that we can take an external view and look at it like that. But I don't think that he thinks that's the end result. Okay.

That's the delusion that he dwells in. I think that he believes that you're still going to end up with an equitable system where people have freedom. They have liberty. They have, they can still vote, all that stuff. You're just going to have businesses that are unshackled. Like he doesn't understand what historically has been the end result of that sort of thing. Oh, do you mean kids dying in coal mining accidents?

Right. Right, right, right. Yeah. But even then, even back then in the nightmare that we lived in, in the teens, 20s, we still had liberalism. We had a lot of one-armed women because they didn't bother having any safety equipment in any kind of textile mills. But we still lived in a liberalist system.

We still lived in a Western democracy. Right. And that is what Alexander Dugan and his ilk are opposed to. They are opposed to Western democracies. Right. Alex doesn't realize when he's talking to Alexander Dugan and he's like, liberalism is a cancer and all this stuff. He doesn't realize that that's the underpinning of even these vestigial images of America

that Alex jacks off to. He doesn't realize that. He hears liberal in there and that's enough for him. Right. That's that. Yeah. No, I can see that definitely being true. That's the point.

I'm trying to get to clunkily. Yeah. I can, I can, I can absolutely see that. Yeah. Yeah. And there's another disconnect. Because if there's one fundamental truth of this podcast, it is Alex Jones is fucking stupid.

And he doesn't realize what he's up to. He's doing research and he's a fucking moron. He's in so far over his head. Yeah. But the other thing that he that gets lost in translation is the idea of anti-Americanism and that's going to come up. I believe in this next clip and I'll explain on the other end of it what I think the disconnect is.

I'm very happy that Alex Jones is live with us right now. We have been following you, Alex, for many years, including myself personally. And when you became truly celebrated in this new era of Donald Trump, I marveled at you. The fact that such people as yourself who embody such free and independent points of view, which are shared in reality by millions of people, Americans and worldwide and millions of Russian people, and you became a hero of this campaign. How you told the truth while everyone else lied. How you held your ground fearlessly against all the attacks and all the dirt that they

were throwing your way and really doesn't want to actually let Alex talk Asians or Turks. Because if Alex talks, he's going to ruin it. You were an example of a true American man, the true American spirit. You, Alex, I serve you of who a real American is. If the American people are anything like you, then the attitude toward your country, toward your people will be radically changed. And when Donald Trump won, whom you supported, and whom we were all also in solidarity with.

Not a good thing to say in hindsight. When you and him and all of us won, I said this. Really not a good thing to say in hindsight. Anti-Americanism is over. Now the people of the free United States, free Russia, and all the anti-globalist powers worldwide have to build a new world, new architecture. We are exceedingly glad to see you on our program broadcasting live right now. And from the bottom of our hearts, we thank you for being the genuine face of real America.

Hi, Alex. Hey, Alex. All right. It was great having you on our show. We're going to say some more nice things about you. You go home. Please don't speak. You're going to run this for everybody.

We're going to talk for half an hour about how great you are. If you start talking, our audience is going to be like, oh, yeah, because we have just had curated clips of you. And if you notice, whenever he's on Russian television, he doesn't act like he acted on that BBC interview. Oh. He acts very sensible. He acts like someone actually who respects the person he's talking to.

Odd. Yeah, it's very strange. Can't think of any reason why. No. And the anti-Americanism is over thing. I think that how Alex hears that, I know this because he's talked about it. He hears that and he's like, I have solved the Russia America problem. They don't hate us anymore.

Yeah. Yeah. What he doesn't realize is the subtext of what Alexander Dugan is saying there is we won. Anti-Americanism is over because we won. We don't need to be anti-American. You guys are pro Russia. Yeah.

You guys are serving our interests. We have flipped it entirely to a point where our problem is that the UN keeps telling us we can't do this shit that we want to do. We can't retake the Soviet Union. Right. Because I mean, we've talked about this. Alexander Dugan, what he foresees is the is Eurasianism and the Eurasian Union, that sort of thing where the Soviet Union becomes whole again.

Right. He's been his fantasy for years. That's an underpinning of his philosophy. And maybe that Eurasian Union starts to have a lot more Soviet Union aspects to it, but it's still the Eurasian. Or even if it doesn't need to have that, you can still do the same game that Nazis do, or Alex does with Nazi ideology, just change Jew to globalist. You can do all the things you want to do with just changing one word.

It's that simple. People are dumb. Eurasian Union. Is Enron still around? I feel like they might have just changed their name and we're still doing that. They probably did. They probably did. Blackwater did.

That's true. Yeah. Hey man, there's some guillotine folk right there. Yeah, no doubt. There's some folk with the guillotine on their names. No, you're wrong. Alex Jones thinks that Eric Prince is a patriot and that's enough for me. Oh boy.

So what you're getting here is you're getting a full dose of just, this is the sort of stuff that you imagine Alex was hearing behind the scenes probably the entire time. Oh, of course. This sort of like through intermediaries, the like, you are the only voice that's really telling the truth. The rest of the world knows it. All this sort of, and this is a thousand times more effective than just Lewis Farrakhan having a couple of people with an info wars thing on.

But we've seen how easy it is to destroy him with flattery. Yeah. Frankly, they're going overboard. It's total. They're doing overkill. Guys, you could have just said, man, check out this guy. He was really good. And he would have been exactly as in as you are if you give him a 25 minute long introduction

to be fair. It's the culmination of so much, right? And I think Alex would probably feel slighted if they didn't do this for him, right? Because when you are someone like Alex, it's easy to imagine your influence is greater than it is, right? And so sometimes you need those things that, you know, make your internal perceptions appear to match the external reality. Like having Donald Trump on the show.

His show did probably didn't merit that, but because his involvement with Roger Stone and working it out behind the scenes, Donald Trump comes on his show and says, I won't let you down. You're going to be very happy. We're going to talk a lot in the future. What have you. Right. The internal world matches Alex Jones's sense of himself.

After the election, Alex, we heard him on election night drunk at three in the morning saying, I've served my purpose. Right. Then he goes on Russian television a couple of days later and they basically mirror that back to him. And he can imagine that that's how the rest of the world feels. I have saved the world from globalism. Right.

I have done such an amazing and that's why he looks like he's going to cry the whole time. I am also certain is why he's even more insane right now is because he's realizing, oh no, they said nice things about me and now they want me to go back in the corner. Oh no. I am supposed to be in a closet, a very small closet. Why are you guys being mean to me now? You said I was so important.

And you said I was so important and maybe Alex has done a little like, I don't think he has cause he doesn't do any research. But if he looks into what the people that are flattering him actually believe, it would be incredibly troubling for you. Or if he found out what they actually say about him. Or if he ever looked at the chat room while he's doing a show and saw all of the 1488s, all of the Alex talk about why the Jews are evil, all of the N words flying around. I know that like we maybe are, I don't know, it's grandiose on some level even for us to

be like, yeah, our audience is great, but they are, everyone is cool. Yes. And it would destroy me if our audience were like neo-Nazis. Oh man. If we went into the chat room one night and we saw an N word, I think we might cancel the show. I couldn't continue. Yeah.

I think we would have, I think we would just stop. Now granted, Alex Jones doesn't read the chat room and what have you, but it has to be a part of him that is either in complete denial about that large chunk of his audience or just he has to shy away from it entirely and only listen to voices like this that are like you are the true version of America. You have saved the international scene and now we will rebuild an international order. You know, I would say, I think that's probably the most reasonable or relatable and human thing though is that of course you make compromises if you want to make a shit ton of money.

Like that's part of the game. That's not something that's specific to Alex Jones. It's unfortunate or not unfortunate. It's indicative of what a piece of shit he is willing to become. The consequences are unfortunate. Yeah. The types of compromises he's willing to make, but the simple idea of making compromises to your ethical or moral ideology in order to become a very wealthy man.

That seems a very common theme with everybody who becomes wealthy. I think that's the trajectory of his entire career though because the compromises that he clearly made when he infiltrated Bohemian Grove in heavy quotes. The willingness to lie and misrepresent what he saw there in order to in his mind take down the banking elite or what have you. That probably on a certain level is a noble goal. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Our financial system is fucked. There is an element of it that the end goal is reordering that to some extent and making sure that people are punished for financial crimes in the same way that someone with a joint is punished. I can't imagine. That sort of thing is a noble goal, but once you go down the path of completely lying about them and saying they're all Satanists and amping up that rhetoric and adopting so much of this washed over anti-Semitism, what you do is you ruin the good pursuit that you have

and all of the offshoots become so much more important to your audience. Yeah. Well, I think that's the story of his career probably. But that's a brilliant move and a classic move on the part of the people who wrecked the economy that we're all pretty much aware now that the economy is fucked and it's unsustainable in its current, you know, as the stock market continues to rise, the only thing that every reasonable person should be thinking is, boy, how bad is the crash going to be? Especially as the growth rate increases.

And it has nothing to do with real wage increases as well. That's when you know, because every time it's ever happened, there's been a spectacular crash. The Dust Bowl was a thing. Right. Hooverville's were a thing. And to a great degree, I don't know, this is, this is maybe like what ended up saving the world and maybe the world, at least America from the depression that we had was the New

Deal and FDR and that was democratic socialism. Yeah. It may be of which you have become a card carrier. I don't have a card yet. That might be the most important. That's the problem with the democratic socialists. They can't figure out the USPS. It's a federal system.

They got great ideas, but I'm telling you the actual nuts and bolts of it. It's difficult to do. Alex Jones wants to go back to the Pony Express work better, but the, it might be the most important thing now to build that voice in America for the coming disaster. Because those are the ideas that can save us from the inevitable future crash. And I don't know. I don't know. That's just some thoughts I've been kicking around in my head, but it's not going to happen

until the crash happens. That's the reality of democratic socialism is it's a prescriptive measure, but it's never going to be a preventative measure. It's better now to build up that voice than to start when the crash happens. No, I know. And it'd be great if we had a national party who was like, this is the way to go. This absolutely is what we need to do and align ourselves with instead of a national party that's like, you guys are right.

But what if we don't do what you say and instead keep getting a shit ton of money from billionaires? You know what my theory is? Like I worked this out a little bit. Yeah. I believe that the democrats and republicans need each other because they are sort of warring versions of the same sort of thing. They're both beholden to massive corporate interests. They have slightly different hats they wear, but in large part, and granted the GOP has

gone way off the track now. They're bananas. But I mean, to do their literal Nazis now. To look at it two years ago, they were sides of the same coin, and the GOP itself is still a largely corporate beholden and special interest party. And so are the democrats. Yes. The GOP is already crumbling to the libertarian patriot wing or whatever of it.

The loony Nazis. Which you speak, what speaks to like the defense of Roy Moore that we're seeing is bananas. And the fact that they're fine with it. Is it? Yes it is. Because the part that supports him are the libertarian patriot wingdings. And that is why he has the support he has. If he was a mainline conservative GOP member like Paul Ryan or something like that.

Or the fucker who got voted out in Virginia. He would be fucked. And that to me spells what we will see in the coming years. I think in the next few years, you're going to see the corporate republican establishment completely destroyed and replaced with this hyper nativist pro libertarian party. It's like if the no nothing party took over and became the national powerhouse. The dangerous part about that is that libertarian party, the proto, libertarian, proto is not the right word.

Nazis. Right. That party doesn't need the democrats. So they can fight much harder in a way that the republican establishment would seek to maintain the democrats as their foil. That party wouldn't. No of course. And that's scary because those corporate democrats aren't going to fight back.

And they don't understand, they can't understand that. Because their only ideology is ultimately, we think that it's fine so long as, when you're fighting against people like Alex Jones who are like, okay, everybody who doesn't agree with us, fucks kids. You're not going to be like, you're not going to be like, okay, well, we will give you a harder border. So long as you stop calling us vampires, that's your compromise. They're stupid.

And there is no, it's not like there's no compromise. It's that in the minds of the Alex Jonesian, libertarian, patriot, right, there's no interest in compromise. No. There's only interest in like what he always talks about crushing growling like it has nothing to do with governance. It has nothing to do with policy. If you're if you're ostensibly a originalist constitutional GOP here, you can't vote for

somebody who's violated the constitution. That's something that you can't justify. If the guy you're voting for has been kicked out of his judgeship position twice for violating your constitution that you fucking love so much. And then you're like, okay, yes, he's did. He's done that. We're still going to vote vote for him. And then you're like, well, we hate pedophiles because it comes out that he is a pedophile's

gun. You can't be like, oh, well, we're still going to vote for him. He loves guns and he's into the Trump agenda in quotes. And what that means is that the Democrats were setting him up. He makes liberals. He makes liberals look bad. Right. That's all they really agree.

Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the bottom line is against political correctness, you know, like the political correctness of age of consent laws. Yeah. The point that I'm trying to get to, I believe is that the left needs to get on board with that knowledge immediately. And they're the time will come.

And I think it'll come within the next few years. The dance of back and forth aspiring to reach across the aisle kind of stuff is not it's not going to have any stock in trade. Yeah. But that was gone the moment we had a black president. Fine. But fine. There's a denial period.

And Obama wasn't the best even with aspirations of compromise, right? What have you? Right. He still fucked up a whole lot of shit. Yeah. Do mainly to his obsession with compromise with with the Republicans and with financial interests and everything. Exactly.

But the point is that game is over and it's not over because I'm saying you can't compromise with a patriot or with anything like that. I'm saying it's over because that will not be on the table. Dan, do you know how happy I am to hear you say that? I don't know. I don't think I still don't think I'm as extreme as you. Do you know why I'm so happy about that? Why is that?

Do you have disagreed with me on that very point for months now and finally you have come to the realization that there is no further compromise available with these people? I still believe that there are people who identify as conservatives out there in the world, citizens, who are not the problem that we're diagnosing. And I respect that and I get and I think that ultimately has been kind of a miscommunication between the two of us is matter of scale. But we're both in agreement that there is a certain group that is not just unwilling to compromise, ideologically opposed to compromise.

And in that situation, there's no possibility of compromise. I'm agreeing with you in so much as there is a part of it now, but what I'm talking about more... And that's why white genocide is fine. Wait, what? Oh, you weren't going to go there? That wasn't my next question. I'm sorry, I apologize.

What I'm talking about is there will be within a matter of years, I believe, probably... And it gets exacerbated by election cycles too. So 2018 is going to be a mess, 2020 is going to be a mess. But I believe as we get closer to those, you're going to see a harsh swing in that direction with the people who are on the right in terms of the power base shifting. And if people on the left don't prepare for that in some ways, they're going to get steamrolled. It's going to be a complete disaster. Here's maybe the simplest explanation of why the Democratic Party itself is something that

you should not trust in or appreciate. And that is that imagine in 2018 that the Democrats wind up taking both the House and the Senate and wind up actually getting a supermajority, which is very possible at this point. But if you look at the election results that we've seen, it's entirely possible that the anti-Trump fervor will absolutely propel the Democrats to majorities in both. Now, why is the Democratic Party the worst party that you want to have that? Because they haven't fought for...

It's because they still won't impeach Trump. Well, and they haven't fought for voting rights nearly as strongly enough. Even with the results that we're seeing, even with the clear sentiment of a large portion of the population that shit's not going the way it should, if you have people who are disenfranchised, if you have people who are kicked off voter rolls, if you have these extreme gerrymandering situations, you're not going to be able to have the people's voice accurately displayed in the vote. Of course not.

And the Democrats are complicit in that too. I mean, it's... It's very easy to blame gerrymandering on the opposite party, but it's both parties. Shit negotiation tactics. No, ultimately, whenever they... So you can always find this shit somewhere where it's like... And people say there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans when you go into certain social issues, which is absolutely true.

The problem is that the underlying factors which have contributed to those social issues, those are the things that Democrats and Republicans have ideologically agreed on in the past. When you talk about African American rights in regards to just police shootings and the way that they're incarcerated at a higher rate, yeah, Democrats don't want that to occur. But Democrats are part of the reason it did. That's the reason that people say there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans is because, sure, you can reactively say that we don't want all of this shit to happen, but if you are part of the reason it happened, then you got a lot of shit that you should

be fighting for much harder. Yeah, I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. And we'll see what happens. I hope everyone gets on board with something. It's going to be reactive. That's how Americans always work. That's why we have to be proactive.

Yeah. Oh, well, we'll see. Anyway, let's get to this next clip. In this clip, Alexander Dugan. Anyways, Alexander Dugan is a monster. Good evening, Alex. My name is Andrey Afanasyev, and I'm the host of The Russian Answer. My show is about geopolitics, strategy, and diplomacy, and we regularly follow you and

your colleagues at InfoWars, including your presence on social media. This should be another translator with subtitles underneath, which like we never listen to your show, actually. Coming from the swamp of the media. Yeah, yeah. Kevin Nealon. But after Clinton lost, they weren't able to accept it. It seems they don't have the strength of mind to recognize their defeat.

Or they're suspicious about somebody else's involvement. You guys. Which is you and your colleagues in the independent American Patriot media. What they're really saying is that Americans underestimated Russia's ability. That's what they're proud of. The same civil war that is happening in America. The same civil war is happening in Europe. And in the same civil war, which was started 16 years ago in our country, the forces of

good have also been victorious. That's why we understand that today we are all in the same situation, whether it be Russians, Americans, or Europeans. The globalists do not represent America. They are the enemy of the American people. And when you tell people, addressing your supporters, it sounds like a call to all the people worldwide to shake off the dominance of the globalist elites and establish in each of our countries our own American order in America, Russian order in Russia, Turkish

order in Turkey. And this war and struggle is what unites us. Interesting that Turkey was your third. That's a very strange list. Turkey was the other one you wanted to bring up there. Comedy comes in threes. It is kind of funny that Turkey is number three. Right.

That might be a subconscious like, eh, come on. Yeah. Come on. You realize that we're all. All right. Come on. Come on, guys. The way the world is.

Putin gets to say whatever he wants. Come on. Related dictatorship. Prior to a certain point, the global corporations, transnational corporations, the globalist elites were presented to us as the voice of the United States. But thanks to Trump's victory, we now know that there is a difference between the American people. That's you.

That's those who are the resistance to the globalist dictatorship and the political elites, which organized color revolutions against us. Still not regular people. And they, the Soros, the Clintons, the Obama administration, the so-called deep state, still not regular people organized color revolutions against Trump, refusing to recognize the democratic victory of the American people. He lost by three million votes. Well, but also, I mean, the idea that, you know, you want to, this argument of we fomented

color revolutions in other countries is not accurate, but that's not entirely inaccurate. Well, there's a difference between fomenting them and supported people or perpetrating them outright. There's a thin line. But when you're trying to say that there has been an attempt to make a color revolution in America against Trump, at this point in history, after the election, there was only the women's march and the immediate anti-Trump march, which were not color revolutions. No, they were peaceful protests, which is pretty well covered under the, that old amendment.

Yeah, but we're against it. Right. We only like the second amendment. But you understand what I'm saying. This underlies, well, this underlies that there is a, there is a, there's a perception that this peaceful protesting is a color revolution. Yeah. And if you believe that, then you have to believe that what they're complaining about in these

other countries, Georgia, for example, that Alex is certainly a scholar on Ukraine, that these color revolutions that happened probably were just peaceful protests. Well, it's amazing how in Saudi Arabia, you don't see any of those protests, right? That's because everybody's happy. Well, Baroff said that. Yeah. It's, it's because everybody's happy. Yeah, absolutely.

It definitely has nothing to do with a horrible dictator regime that will crack down and murder you if you do. Oh man, I can't wait to have one of those. And all of us united have to think about how we can resist this elite, we the people, each defending our own system of values, have to engage in dialogue in terms of what do we want to build instead of globalism. Another globalism. It's not in opposition to America, not in opposition to Russia, not in opposition to

Turkey, not so that we fight each other to protect our narrow national interests, which is what the globalists impose on us to fight with each other, a civil war, we have to avoid this. Still not allowing Alex to talk. Why the communication and dialogue between us exchange of ideas and different is on screen. Oh man, he must be pissed. No, he looks like he's going to cry.

He never lets people talk and he's let them talk for a good 15 minutes of time in Alex Jones world. But he lets anybody talk if they're like saying you're the best and he's probably confused. You think so? The ideas that are being espoused. Even Alex doesn't go that far. Well, he triggered like there's a lot of words that trigger him like globalists and those sorts of things.

And I've also realized I should just call myself out for this. I love how Alexander Dugan says globalists. And so I kind of say globalists. Whatever I say. Globalists. I kind of do that. I kind of do a little Dugan impression. Yeah, you like to do a little Dugan.

Globalists. But yeah, he's triggered by those words and what everybody's just sitting there. He's like. What a snowflake. You're so right. You guys are so right. I am awesome. I am awesome.

It's like he's getting a lifetime achievement award. 100%. That's exactly what's happening. Absolutely. And he sees it as a culmination of his career, most most likely. Right. Not realizing that. I mean, furthermore, not realizing that that's a bad thing and not he does not want to reach

the culmination of his career this way. Exactly. Well, but also that means it's the end of his career as well, but he doesn't want to wrestle with the fact that like he would be ashamed of himself like five years in the past looking at what he's become. Yeah, I do believe that. You think so? If we because we go back and we look at the 2012 version of him before he was hawking

these weird supplements, he just had these fun big burky water filters hide your guns dot com. Hold on. Movie pitch. Right. Movie pitch. This is all a dream that he had when he was underneath that house in those toxic gases. It's possible.

Right. We write the whole thing exactly. Is it Jacob's ladder thing? Then we do. Yeah, exactly. He's dying under that house. Oh, exactly. Yeah.

No. Or we do a Christmas Carol thing. Oh, shit. Right. The ghost of Buckley, which by the way, Buckley has never, Buckley's been dead since Alex was nine. Right. Okay.

So that's why Buckley is coming to visit him in a dream. Right. Then we got the other three ghosts. Ghost of Christmas past. That's Larry Nichols. Exactly. Ghost of Christmas in Arkansas. Ghost of Christmas present.

That's Roger Stone. Totally. Ghost of Christmas future. No. What about Pachanic? That's you. No. Yeah.

You come back and you show them the knowledge fight grave where we've both been buried alongside each other. Right. I think Stone and Pachanic should be present. Okay. Like they should do it together. They should. I know that's kind of off script for a Christmas Carol.

Yeah. Do they have to read their lines simultaneously? They should be bickering a little bit. You eat like the old guys like Statler and Waldorf. Fingo. That's what you call them. Fingo. I'm Sam the Eagle.

Yup. Yup. There it is. So it's a Muppet Christmas Carol. A Muppet nationalism Christmas Carol. Starring Captain Picard. So at this point Alexander Dugan has really just tongued the balls. Who also played a Nazi in the green room.

Great. Dugan did. No. No. No. Your name again? Jean Luc. Patrick Stewart.

Patrick Stewart. No. He played a Nazi in the green room. I highly recommend green room. It's an amazing. Great film. Sounds great. Great film.

Aliashalkat is great. From Arrested Development. Fantastic. So eventually Alex Jones does get to speak and here's what he says. So arrogant. They write books. You know, David Rockefeller, they've all written books. Zbigniew Brzezinski, admitting this.

I mean, people ask how I knew what was going to happen 20 years ago and how it all came true. I don't have a crystal ball. They write books, admitting their plan, even admitting that it's maniacal, but they laugh at the public like they're too stupid to read it. Well, that's actually how they end the books with the maniacal laugh. Dugan has got to be laughing in the middle of this interview. Because I'm going to read this from this Big Think article.

To see what Dugan might advocate specifically, we can look to his best-selling book, The Foundation of Geopolitics, from 1997, which had particular success among Russian military, and according to foreign policy, and Dugan's own words, is assigned as a textbook at Russian military universities. The book outlines a vision for Russia in the 21st century that would lead to Eurasia's formation, but also includes specific strategies for defeating or neutralizing the United States. These include destabilization and disinformation campaigns, using Russian special forces and asymmetrical warfare, spreading alliances between U.S. and countries like Germany and

France, as well as fermenting division within the country itself, specifically singling out race relations. Can't see that happening. On page 367 of the first edition of the book, Dugan explains, quote, it is essentially important to introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism in ethnic, social, and radical conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements, extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the United States.

It would also... Reports of that definitely haven't come out. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics. Like who? Like a guy named Trump. So he wrote a book about this. Alex Jones is going on...

Are you saying that he outlined his plan 20 years ago? Yeah. And that perhaps we could have known what was going to happen to us if we had read this book? Perhaps he is literally maniacally laughing right now? As he has Alex on the show. As he has Alex on the show, he is going, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You idiot.

You idiot. Ha ha ha ha ha. I mean, there are Russian companies that paid for troll accounts that specifically fomented race division on both sides. As white nationalists and as black nationalists. No, there were so many Facebook setups and all that stuff. That's a lot of that shit. Many of them have come out, not all of them, but many of them have come out where you're

like, wait a second. We got money from Russian sources. We didn't even know. How did they do that? And it's like, well, because Facebook is evil and so on. And they used cutouts. Yeah, exactly. And it all traces back.

And a lot of this fits suspiciously the philosophies and the plan laid out by Alexander Dugan in a book that he wrote in 1997 as a vision for Russia in the 21st century. Also I mean, if you want to talk about decent like asymmetrical warfare, you can't get better than info wars. No. In terms of what we've been talking about already, the idea of branding your enemies as demons or not just that, but when you start talking about literal asymmetrical warfare, what else could you describe Syria as Russia?

Russia doesn't really have anything to gain from fighting in Syria or even negotiate. No, they don't. They have money that they've given to Assad. But that's exactly the point. Really doing. Yeah. If they just said, no, we're not going to do this. I don't think anybody would really notice except for the Syrians who are dying right

and Assad. It would be it would be wild. Yeah, it would be. It would be like, why? Why are you guys doing that? And they'd be like, well, because we really don't have anything to gain from it. Not just that, but were you to depose Assad and put in put in somebody else? Guess what?

We would still be able to negotiate a contract with right because guess what? You guys don't fucking live near here. What are you doing here? That's the larger question that we should be asking. What is the United States doing there? I don't know. Well, I kind of know. I think I humanitarian efforts, but at the same time, we fucking bombed hospitals.

So what do you what do you say about America? Humanitarian efforts is the idealistic version of it. But then beyond that, there are geopolitical reasons why as a hinge, Syria is incredibly important, one of which is to counter the Russian asymmetrical warfare. Kind of comical in a certain level. It is. It is a silly or a Boris. And a lot of it is laid out in Alexander's book that he put out and Alex saying, getting

on the show and talking about David Rockefeller's books, right? Or Zabigniew Brzezinski's books or, you know, that John P. Holdren textbook that he always goes back to. Oh, it's all in there. I've read these things and they don't say what he acts like they say. So the fact that he is like talking about how these globalists put out these things about how they're going to poison the water supply and they think you're too stupid to read them.

It's like, Alex, you're misrepresenting those. Meanwhile, the guy that you're talking to did put out a book that very clearly, unfortunately, we couldn't have known until now, right, has laid out what happened to us last year. Perfect plan. And you were a part of it. You were a fucking part of it, Alex. That'll be interesting to see in the history books written by, of course, the fish people who survive in our post-climate change world.

Then have happy faces. They will be so happy. No more human terror on their face. Exactly. They don't even have to deal with humans at all. Because global warming will have lifted up the sea level to the point where they can live anywhere. They will actually rule that it like, look, Planet of the Apes, unbelievable.

Planet of the Fishman? Sure. Totally true. There will be a forbidden zone. Right. It'll be different. It'll be underwater. It'll be a forbidden zone made and inhabitable by man.

Now, the history books, it seems like Dugan should play such a huge part in this, in the retelling of this circumstance. Let me give a slight caveat, just in case we're trying to paint him as a mastermind or anything like that. No, no, no. I'm not saying that. There may be more important figures that I'm unaware of who have espoused similar things to him.

It's entirely possible. I would say, I would say he... The only reason that he comes up so much in terms of our investigation is he is a very legitimate philosopher in terms of putting out philosophy books and geopolitical strategy books. And he exists in info wars. He exists as someone who Alex Jones clearly has interacted with. He's on Alex's show, Alex has been on his show, and the fact that he's on Alexander

Dugan's show fairly close after the election means to me that they were in contact before. Of course! And not only that, I have to assume that other people that Alex Jones is in, or in his periphery were in touch with. People like the Paul Craig Robertses, people who are the guests on RT that Alex also has on his show. The Robert David Steele's, those types of people were probably, I can't see a world where there isn't some communication between these folks.

Oh, of course! And that doesn't mean that there's some sort of crazy conspiracy. That just means that they were in contact before the reveal. Like context-like. The prestige, as it were, which is Alex going on Dugan's show. No, I'm not saying he's going to go down in history as the big guy, but he should be in the Heinrich Himmler role. There's a certain part of all of this that can be traced directly back to his ideas.

Yeah. And if his textbook... But again, his ideas might have been building on other people's ideas too, that's entirely possible. No, of course. But he fucking nailed it. It's tough to get away from that. Yeah.

It's tough to get away from these things that he has espoused since 1997. I suppose your other argument against that, though, is it's a pretty tried and true plan. Sure. I mean, it's a solid plan. It's worked in the past on a smaller scale. This is just the first time it's been pulled off on a global scale. I would not think... Like that's how we took down Venezuela and that kind of shit.

Yeah. Like it's essentially the same plan. I mean, I am at... Or Guatemala. Or Guatemala. Yeah. With bananas and shit. Yeah, exactly.

But yeah. I don't know. Or Hawaii. That's how we got them. Listen, I live there. I'm very sensitive about King Kamehameha. I know. We fucking murdered everybody.

Yeah. So we got one last clip of Alex's appearance on Alexander Dugan's show. Yeah. It's just a long chunk because Alex... Is he allowed to talk? Yeah. And he switches into Alex on Infowars mode. Okay.

And it's super interesting because we get to see some of the narratives that he spouts on Infowars. And how Dugan responds to them? Not really. Not really. You can just sort of hear him. You can hear stuff in the background, but that's because they have a translator. Yeah.

Because Dugan doesn't speak English. Right. He speaks Russian and some English. Right. So there's muttering in the background from a translator. And here we go. That translator must be having a great day. Oof.

I was able to take it, put it into pop culture, make it interesting, and now people understand the score more and more people see it. And that's why the political elites panicking right now. And that's why it's so exciting to see humanity coming out of the dark ages into the true information age and seeing the internet that the globalist hijacked from DARPA that they thought would be a tool of surveillance and control and seeing it all blow up in their face. It's a very magic time to be alive.

We have the initiative, but we just can't let these globalist nihilists start a nuclear war in some type of fit because Hitler, in his bunker in 1945, as the Russians were closing in from the east and the allies from, you know, the Americans from the west, if he would have had nukes, he would have launched them and blown up the world. So the problem is we have Hitler's today, Hitler-type psyches that'll overturn the whole world, you know, in their power. Like a child tweeting, a, uh, calling King John Boone fat over the weekend, another child tweeting back at him or responding to him or a dictator who is clearly cleverer than

most of the other world leaders that we're dealing with, despite his rampant James Bond villain aspects. It's weird. Uh, but also this underlies something that Alex has talked about a whole bunch and that is that he believes that Hitler didn't die in that bunker. So he's making a metaphor, uh, that unfortunately, uh, presupposes Trump isn't going to behave like that, which he has, uh, but also presupposes that he doesn't really give a shit if Hitler died in that bunker.

He's just going to use it for political points whenever he wants. Okay. But if Hitler, so I'm, I'm ambiguous on whether or not I care about whether or not Hitler died in that bunker. I'm inclined to believe he didn't. I, I like to think that he died in a knife fight in, uh, Brazil. Okay. That'd be fun.

Sure. I'm, I'm inclined to believe he didn't, but if he did, cool. And if he didn't also, I mean, we have much bigger issues. Project paperclip does exist. Like that was real. Unless Hitler is still alive, in which case, I don't know if we have any larger life extension technology. Exactly.

He found the holographic med beds. So you know, there we go. Oh no. Now we figured it all out. It's actually Hitler this whole time. And you know what the best way to disguise yourself is to become Russian and get a huge beard. Ah, maybe Dugan is holographic med bed survived.

Who cares? This is stupid. But like, actually, you know what? I'm going to go with Rex Tillerson, boys from Brazil. Interesting. He is a clone of Hitler. You heard it here. The idea that, like, Hitler did survive and lived in South America.

Alternate universe news from next year to day. We have, we have so many people who should have been punished because they had scientific expertise and we didn't want Russia to absorb them. We just like, get over here. We did. We did a ton of that. And the idea that Hitler would have escaped punishment is tragic in historical hindsight. But if it did happen, it just sort of falls in line with clearly weren't really interested

in punishing anybody if they had something to offer us. So that part of it, whatever. The Nuremberg trials didn't hit everybody. And the idea like the CIA would have lied about that, I don't really think is that big a deal. Right. Like if the CIA did know that Hitler escaped to South America and lived out his years as some sort of like fake monk or whatever, I believe that's what some people believe.

I haven't done too deep a dive into it. But if they did lie about it and say that he died, I don't really think that's the biggest lie in the world. I think history should correct it. But at the same time, I don't think that's nefarious. Right. Because for national morale, it is a good thing to believe that he died. So you're saying that Osama bin Laden is still alive.

Yeah. Okay. And he's in South America getting into night fights. With Hitler. Tillerson. And hey, why not? Pulpott is in there too. Sure.

Throw them all in there. Now, see, that's a TV show right there. That's like the real world. What happens when seven terrorists end up moving out of cares? Let's finish this clip. Our quest to stay in control and to keep on willing. We have to come out and ensure that better minds and the intelligence agencies, the military and other areas who really, I've been critical of previously, but who've been the unsung heroes

behind the scenes, not just here, but also in Russia, blocking the globalist from their megalomaniacal activities. And that's really the most important point I could make. Alice, I have one question for you. And my question is, how do you ever get over the stereotype, the wrong stereotype that Russia is still the Soviet Union? Great question. Well, I just study history.

And I mean, if you know that Russia was exploited by multinationals, just like China was. So real quick, before we get back into that, because there is some truth to the idea that the oligarchs did wield very corrupt power in Russia for a time. But the idea that Russia has had perhaps the longest running stretch of the worst governments for man, they are amazing at it. But but but but but I want to point out the true comedy of Alex Jones being on Russian television. Yeah.

And some guy asks him, how do you disabuse yourself of the wrong notion that Russia is still the Soviet Union on the show of a guy who has espoused the creation of the Eurasian Union, which is essentially the recreation of the Soviet Union? Yeah. Yeah. That's bizarre. And then Alex would be like, I study history. You know what?

You know, it's even more amazing about that. That's almost an incredulous question from them. Like, how do you lie to yourself about what we're doing? That's how I heard it. Yeah. That's how I heard it phrase. Let's go. They're shocked by it.

Like, let's how are you so stupid that you convince yourself what we're doing is not the most obvious thing. I've scrolled back impossibly too far. But let's listen to the tone of that again, because I do think that that's kind of that's kind of the subtext. He has to correct himself the wrong notion, you know, like, how do you free yourself from the notion? The wrong notion that Alex, I have one question for you.

And my question is, how do you ever get over the stereotype? The wrong stereotype that Russia is still the so-called union? Well, I just study history. And I mean, if you know, I don't understand your question. I'm multinational, just like China was a couple hundred years ago when it was under colonial control. And it was basically manipulated from my research. Years ago.

I mean, you guys know more than I do, obviously, being in Russia. But, you know, some of those corrupt kingpins and people, some are worse than others, just made deals to exploit the resources and the people. And then Russia started coming out of that with the collapse of the Soviet Union and then basically was then able to kick the oligarchs out, who thought they just privatized Russia and exploit it. You still got problems, obviously, with corruption, like everybody does. But you're coming out of it, coming up from the bottom, like a swimmer coming towards

the surface. And the United States is still kind of hitting the bottom. And hopefully we can follow Russia's lead and come back up, you know, to the surface as well. And you know how you get up from the bottom of the pool? You suppress the press. No, everybody gets guns. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You shoot down and then you fly up. It's like in space. Yeah, that's really smart. Yeah. That's very smart. That's why the Second Amendment is important. Mm-hmm. Because you might get up from the bottom of the pool.

Stabilize families, stabilize the Russian culture, resuscitate it from the long communist nightmare, and bring a true free market, more renaissance innovation back, which I welcome and think is a wonderful thing. And I think Americans, fundamentally, look at what we always learned about Russia, some of it true, some of it not, and it's corruption, and it's authoritarianism. And we see those very authoritarianisms being set up here. Oh, you're so close. And so we laugh.

We know it's the globalist and the big corporation screwing us over. You know, to say the Russian boogeyman that's trying to get on its feet. I mean, it just doesn't work. Russia has a GDP, as you know, of Italy, and it's certainly not manipulating this country. We know who's manipulating us, and it's the Fortune 100. And so we want those oligarchs, those outside. Oh, you're so close. So close.

So close. We want our country back. We want Americanism, not globalism. We want a Russian national system of pride and success and wealth and not globalism. We want to all compete with each other and add to each other with good sportsmen-like conduct in the human species towards the stars. And openly kill gay people. Isn't that...

Wait, what? You guys don't talk about that? You guys don't talk about that? You're a journalist. You can't have cars and air conditioning when you fight it on a jumbo jet. We fundamentally reject the new world order of the globalist, of the eugenicist, of the vestigial British Empire, not the British people, but the British Empire itself. Look at how the EU and this whole global system is being rejected from the very place it sprouted

England. I mean, the Brits aren't bad people. They've been exploited for this global empire, and they're understanding it now as well. So there's a huge awakening, and I think it started with people like Barry Goldwater, Ron Paul, Alexander Shultz and Edson understood it, and we're different people from different perspectives seeing the same thing because it's not... Comedy comes in threes, guys. We're seeing the real world, and the globalists can't stand it.

So Barry Goldwater crazy, Ron Paul, deeply racist past. Super crazy. And then also some good ideas about non-interventionism and what have you. Yeah, yep. They always get you. Doesn't make up for... That's how they get you. That's how they get you.

Alexander Shultz and Edson lived through the gulags. Winner of six Edwards Awards for committing racist acts. Very strange trio. So that's the end of the clips that we have, but as a little bit of a punchline, I'm going to go through some of these RT videos that I didn't pull clips from because, you know, I can't get everything taken. You can find all these on YouTube. The UN is a Nazi movement.

These are clips put out by RT with Alex Jones, and these are the headlines that they've given them as if they're using him as propaganda. No idea. The UN is a Nazi movement. The UN needs to be abolished. Alex Jones talks Texas secession. Where's the one? Al Cato was created by the CIA.

That's true. They just posted a clip of him getting in a fight with anti-Trump protesters. No story there. Just them calling... Check this shit out. Alex Jones and gay rituals at Bohemian Grove. The media put a spin on WikiLeaks. Total control grid designed to predict the future.

There's one in here. I like that one. That one not related to the others in the same way. No, I can't... It's not scrolling down here. Oh, here you are. Anders Brevik was a Mason's Patsy. Oh, that's true.

Are you fucking kidding me? No, that's 100% true. Anders Brevik? He's not a Mason's Patsy. Haven't you seen Anders Brevik's first movie? I'm a Mason's Patsy? Do you know who that is? It's a wonderful Brevik.

He's from that movie, right? No. He was a banker. He set off... Angel? He set off a bomb in Norway. No, I know the guy. Okay.

And then he shot up a bunch of kids and shit. I know it was a guy. I know. He's a fucking monster that other people have hailed as a hero for his fucking white supremacist bullshit. Yes, I'm aware. And there was another copycat. I think hero of the Nazi.

Yeah, there was another copycat that's followed after him. He's been a huge influence on the white supremacist movement. And Paul Joseph Watson, to go back to our last episode, would probably call him a libertarian blogger. Loves him. Loves him. Libertarian blogger. So, I mean, look, I don't think that we've proved anything necessarily in this exploration

of Alex Jones's time on Russian television, but according to a certain level burden of proof, I agree. According to... Where are you at? Where are you at? Okay. So, you remember... Because you hadn't heard any of this.

Do you remember in old... Do you remember that old duck season, wabbit season? Looney Tunes? Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck. You remember how eventually they get to the point where Daffy Duck has put up a million different signs, all shaped like arrows, pointing directly towards Bugs Bunny's hole, saying rabbit. Yeah.

Yeah. That's where I'm at right now. That's how you feel? It's not 100% proof. You haven't gone inside of the rabbit hole and pulled Bugs Bunny out. But I'll be goddamned if there aren't a million signs pointing to that hole where one particular rabbit may be sitting smugly chewing on a carrot. That rabbit...

I mean, it's not Alex. No, absolutely not. The rabbit is in this case, Dugan. Alex is the dumb idiot who's confused by whoever's saying rabbit season. I think our Looney Tunes metaphor is going to fall apart. I think I'm crushing it. Okay. Let's just call him Porky Pig.

Let's call him Porky Pig because at the end of the episode, when we're all dead, he'll be like, I'm still here, motherfuckers. That's all folks as the nukes go off in the background. I don't know, man. I mean, it's a bummer, but it doesn't... To me... Dr. Infowars or how I learned to stop worrying and love the... Wait, what?

I'm a racist, huh? To me, quite frankly, all of this just mirrors all the stuff we've already seen on his own show. It's interesting to look at what he is willing to say and where he's at on foreign media. And not just foreign media. It's foreign media run in this case by... State-owned propaganda outlets. And a philosopher who has espoused plans to crush America or neutralize America in the

past. That bear striking resemblance to plans that were affected correctly. And when you look at the fact that he is willing to push the Russian version of history on Russian television, and RT has now been forced to sign up as a foreign agent, it's bad. It's a bad look. Well, when you talk about collusion, that... What exactly, practically, is the difference between collusion and cooperation, right? Now collusion would suggest that prior to pulling off all of these narratives, they discussed

it and reacted accordingly. And put out the same things, similar timing. At the same time, cooperation just suggests, I see this person with similar motives. I am going to amplify them. He sees me with similar motives. I am going to amplify him. And that's not a crime. No, it's not a crime.

But in effect, it's the same result. So who fucking cares whether or not it is collusion or cooperation? They need to be fought and destroyed in the same regard. So whether or not you want to say that Alex is on the payroll is immaterial to actually solving the issue, which is that Alex is beholden, at least. Ultimately is on the payroll. Whenever you get an inflated viewership number, you're going to get better ads shit. You're going to get better exposure in the same way that Trump got $2 billion worth of

free advertisement from our shitty... Yeah, exactly. In the same way, it doesn't fucking matter where or whether or not it's a direct payout. It is still a payout. Alex even talks about that. If you go and watch MSNBC or NBC, you'll see ads for Northrop Grumman. And it's like, what are they going to sell a tank to a consumer or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, that's a payoff. Yeah. They have the ad there as a way so they can give them money and they're like, OK, Alex. Sure. Now, think about that. Let's take a step back. Slight little bit. So yeah, I mean, there are different ways of looking at it.

I agree that the nuts and bolts of it are not super important. Yeah. What is super important is the effect it has. Yeah. And the effect is unfortunately where we are now, which again, gets us back to why the Democratic Party is such a ineffectual group of people, at least at the top and a lot of the media. Yeah, exactly.

Because this story is right in front of everyone's faces. And it always comes back to billionaires. It always comes back to the oligarchs. They need to be destroyed. That's ultimately what Democratic socialism, that's the goal at the end of it is. We can't have this level of inequality because that leads to an inequality in power. Yeah. That's the whole point.

Well, it's one of the main points. It's one of the main points. Yeah. From which you find so many other social justice platforms, once you expand power to a far more equivalent extent, you wind up finding many of those other issues are solved along the way. Yeah. And it's unfortunate that we can still, we all can kind of diagnose it.

We can all, we're all aware that that's the problem. Alex even is. Alex is aware that it's the problem. So many people are aware that the issue is like with the opioid crisis, regardless of whether or not you are on the right or the left, everybody is aware people are overdosing. Everybody is kind of aware that there was a massive advertisement campaign based on these companies that wanted to sell an extremely addictive heroin to many people. And they get it.

And the loose laws written by people who are in the pocket of big pharma. Because they were in their pocket. We all know that. We're just, they're just so smart, or at least they're clever enough. They have a low level cunning to convince a massive section of the population that it is in fact the people who are trying to help them who are the cause of their problem. That is the, that is the sleight of hand that will destroy the human race. Well the sleight of hand to Alex's portion of it too is this, like he has these ads that

are all like conservatism is the counterculture. And these sort of ideas that he puts out when in reality, even with Trump, really, it's just the maintenance of a gross status quo. It's not really, Trump isn't a counterculture. He's not, he's not really fighting globalists. No. Like he's, he's on board with a lot of the things that Alex is saying. I'm, I'm certain of that.

He'll never put Goldman Sachs people, Hillary's and Goldman Sachs campaign, five out of his eight cabinet members were Goldman Sachs people. And advisors. Within the first week. Yeah. It's nonsensical to some extent, but, but the other piece of it that is more dangerous, I think he does agree with Alex on, and that is some of the geopolitical ideas that he has in terms of rejiggering power, dynamics and getting away from the UN and those sorts

of things, which I, which again, I mean, we've gone over this already, even in this episode, the UN is problematic in many ways, but it is necessary and would come up no matter what alignment you have in terms of nationalism, globalism, all this stuff. You would have that body in some form or another. Well, what we're finding out with Trump, I think, is that we can either fight domestic policy or foreign policy. We can't successfully fight both. Like on domestic policy, we're fighting really hard.

We're trying to keep healthcare. We're trying to keep them from destroying the tax codes under attack. At the same time, they are dismantling the EPA. They are dismantling their appointing judges who are literally people who have never tried a case before, which is spectacular. And that's something that is in the news that we won't even remember next week. Nope. We'll have no idea.

Because then we're going to be off on, why is he in fucking China ruining everything? Why did Roy Moore still win? Yeah, exactly. And we keep going back and forth. We can fight one or the other, but when we're fighting both, we're going to wind up losing on both fronts. Yeah. No, well.

So it's the question of like, which... That is the neutralization of America that is sought by these quote-unquote, quote-unquote, anti-globalist powers that really aren't against globalists so much as they are against the encroachment of the UN, which is holding up international sanctions against encroaching on your fucking neighbors like you did in Georgia and Ukraine. Which is even crazier or not crazier. It is kind of interesting because many of the UN nation states often espouse that very similar center-right policy that they like so much.

It's just they don't get their countries back. That's the only real disagreement at the end of the day between the klepto-fascist UN and the klepto-fascist Russians. Congratulations. We're all going to die. Anyway, let's wrap this up. Oh, do you mean by solving foreign policy issues? No, because in recognition that we won't, let's just not try.

Okay, fair enough. But we can't... That's not a very democratic socialist attitude. I can solve one problem. If you need to go to a website, I have a suggestion. It's knowledgefight.com. Oh, yeah? Go to our website.

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You're going to join my group of my roving band of coyotes. Now, you will have to get gene therapy and become part coyote, to become a human animal chimera. It's a strange thing. I wrote a paper about it in the 80s. I've been telling people about this for years. Yeah. Only Alex Jones has ever paid attention.

It's weird. He's the only one who reads my blog. I'll tell you that right now. Beyond that, we appreciate you listening. Absolutely. Now, here's one thing that didn't come up in my research that I think is weird. Yeah. I could not...

CIA dentist? I could not find an instance of Larry Nichols being on RT, which seems weird. That does seem weird. Because they're very anti-Hillary. Like a lot of the times that these people who are Info Wars characters are on there. There's anti-Hillary shit in it. You'd think they'd call Larry. Absolutely.

His phone number is public. You'd think they'd just give him a ring. Fuck. If we can call Larry, Russian intelligence can probably call him. Yeah. You'd think it'd get... And that's weird. Another person, John Rappaport.

What about him? Can't find him on RT. That one makes more sense. That one makes a lot more sense. Even RT is like, what the fuck do we do with this guy? This guy's boring. Can you hang up that goddamn picture? It's gotta be like, the Russians, one thing, they're tidy people.

They would prefer if you hang up pictures. Is that a Russian thing? I don't know. At the bread line? I don't know. Pictures were always hung up at the bread line. Really wish I would have prepared in any way and learned how to say, go fuck yourself in Russian.

That would be amazing. That would be amazing. Anyway, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you. I love you.