Knowledge Fight - #1025: Tucker, The Man And His Prophet

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan break down Alex's recent interview with Tucker Carlson, where Alex chooses to be too serious for his own good and Tucker reveals himself to be an embarrassing level of stupid.

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Hello, Alex. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are'm Dan. I'm Jordan wear couple dudes like to sit around Worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed. We are Dan Jordan. Yeah, Jordan quick question for you So what's bright spot today buddy you go first my bright spot is actually a novel that I just read It's called the wedding people by Allison s back s spot Okay, I think your turn to not know how to pronounce something. Yeah, fantastic. It's great book. It was about people getting married. No, it's a classic What was it? It's a classic

Tale of a woman suddenly going like oh right everything everybody's ever told me is wrong whoops And it was probably my fault for listening to them the whole time and then the story goes from there but what's great about it is that unlike Thomas Hardy's Return of the Native, there was a whole genre way back in the day where that's what women would do, would be like, oh, I'm a person. But then at the end, you had to kill them because women shouldn't be allowed to do that. It's heretical. So you have a great story of a woman becoming herself, becoming this amazing creature and offending people but also being exciting and cool and

then she's punished for it because that's what you got to do. Which was Thomas Hardy had to change the ending of Return of the Native to make sure she was punished. So this is like that but because it's now, she doesn't get punished. So this is like that, but because it's now, she doesn't get punished. She gets to have a great time. What fun. Yeah, and then she just moves on with her life. It's fantastic.

Spoilers for the wedding people. I know, it's great. Oh, Jordan, the sales of this book are not gonna shoot up on your recommendation because you spoiled the plot. In the 1900s, this lady's getting murdered. I'll just put that out there, okay? Sounds good. Yep. What's your bright spot? So I was I saw this on on YouTube and I enjoyed it

There's a show called Casso. Have you heard of that? Huh? It's um It's skateboarding. Okay, but I think it's made by the same people who made American Ninja Warrior Okay, but I think it's made by the same people who made American Ninja Warrior Okay, and so like there's a bunch of crazy shit. They have to skate. I'm listening They get a bunch of people together one of them that I really enjoy is They're up on this giant platform. Mm-hmm, and then there's just a big rail over water And it is I think it's like 35 meters long over water. It is I think it's like 35 meters long. God damn! So you gotta try and grind 35 meters of rail? Yes and I've seen no one complete that yet but it's you know you get ranked by percentages of the length that you've made it. Sure sure sure. Because I don't know

if it's possible to get across that. How fast do you have to go to grind 35 meters? Well get this. Okay. It's downward sloped a little bit, so you get that advantage. Okay, okay, I gotcha. But also, so you start skating onto it, and there's a little seesaw that connects you to the big rail. So you have to deal with a kachunk before you even start grinding. Oh, that's brutal. So a lot of people only make it like 10% of the way because that's when the seesaw happens, right?

But man, it's just fun. Yeah, I like that sounds great Yeah Makes me really jealous of people who are pretty good at skateboarding now because it seems Like a lot of fun if someone sets up a giant mouse trap ass, right? Right. No, is it is it like is it Ninja Warrior fun, or is it like Wipeout fun, you know what I mean? They don't fall all that, I mean they do fall, because you're not making it all the way across the rail. But it's more a celebration of expertise,

as opposed to being like, we're gonna watch people fall in interesting ways. You want to see them get through it. Gotcha, gotcha. There's one that's like a spiral, like a plank, I guess, I don't know, just a's like a spiral, like a plank, I guess. I don't know, just a ground in a spiral that you're trying to go across.

And it gets thinner and thinner as it spins, like as it goes around. So you have to make it around this curve as the amount of space you have is shrinking. That's cool. And it's like, that's fucking fun. You wanna see people succeed. That is fun. Yeah, but then if you're gonna bail you want to see people bail in a fun way

So like if you're on that giant rail, maybe you're falling. Yeah, I want to do a backflip Why not why not it's fun. It is fun. So anyway, I've really enjoyed that shit out of that Do you know what do you know what I think I think when we were growing up? adults had like Battle of the network stars where they would watch famous people race each other or some shit, right? But then when we were growing up we had like global guts We had the aggro crack and so now now as adults everything is the aggro crack Everything has got to be some sort of like really cool

We can spin around this thing and then you get the aggro crack Well, and if you can do that why not do it right? You know like if you can create the skating aggro crag everything can be the aggro crag sure believe in yourself Yeah, absolutely fun to watch agreed so Jordan today. We have an episode to go over. Okay. It's not as fun to watch that sounds true so I I saw a little bit of a a red alert kind of thing. Okay. Alex was on with Tucker. Great. So they they did another little interview. Great. And quite different than the last one. Oh yeah? Because Alex isn't getting drunk and prank calling

There's a very different energy betwixt the two sure But hey it happened so we should talk about it. Yeah, and we will here in a moment But first let's say hello to some new wonks. That's great idea So first come do a live show in the state Capitol Springfield. You can eat a horseshoe Come do a live show in the state capitol Springfield. You can eat a horseshoe, parentheses, bread topped by meat, fries, and cheese sauce. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. No. Nope. We're not gonna go, I don't wanna go to Springfield, Missouri. I don't wanna go to Springfield, Illinois. I don't wanna go to Springfield with the Simpsons. My aunt used to work in Springfield, and then she died.

How do you feel about that? You can't you can't go back there now. Nope Next fracas McMaylay. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Thank you and Wren's theater degree. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk Thank you very much and we get a technocrat in the mix Jordan So thank you so much to quick Mothra correction She has fairies not children and it may sound primitive and unscientific but through the fairies we would call to Mothra for help Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk

Tell you someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark Jar-jar banks has a Caribbeanibbean black accent he's a loser little little kitty baby I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ the fairies do look like children though that is true yeah that is true and if you're a moth fairies kind of have a very child yeah at this point though with like with Elon and Trump I'm into some Mothra. I'd be fine with come on Mothra. Yeah, I'd be fine with Mothra Give me in touch with those fairies. I'll see if we can get help

I do just like a I do like a good scientist going it may sound unscientific But the fairies are how we will contact her it does sound that way it does It does sound bad. So, we'd start here, Alex and Tucker sitting down. Alex is newly healthy. Oh, God, no. He is looking- We're not having this kind of a conversation. No, no, we're not. I'm just trying to set the scene.

There's at no point a feeling of danger. When Alex is, he's a chaotic element a lot of the time. And so in the past times that he's talked to Tucker, there's been like kind of an electricity. And this does not have that because Alex is sober. So Tucker starts off here. Okay. So I want to impose my theory on you and you tell me what you think. So for the past 15 years I've been watching the feds, the FBI, the DOJ try to destroy you. And I've watched as no group of gatekeepers or whistleblower protectors or journalistic ethics guardians have defended you on First Amendment grounds, which is pretty shocking.

But the question has always been, why are the feds so intent on taking you out? And here's my theory. So the summer of 2001, you go on TV, time stamped, and say, someone's going to fly planes to the World Trade Centers. They're going to blame Osama Bin Laden, call the Bush White House, warn them. You basically called 9-11 in detail. You're the only one who did. And we can prove that.

It's not a guess. We have the tape. I've played the tape. 9-11 happens in September. There's a 9-11 commission immediately impaneled. They go and interview a bunch of people in the US government and outside and ask like where their signs of this was happening. They don't interview you.

You're the one guy who predicted it in public. You're the only guy who predicted in public. And no one calls you to ask, how the hell did you know that? Which is the obvious question. Then they set about trying to destroy you. Rather than like hailing you as a prophet or at least asking the question, how the hell did Alex Jones know in detail this was coming? How did you know? They never even ask you. And then they they mobilize DOJ and FBI against you. And I think there's a connection between those two facts. Cue the intro music. Wow. So this is painfully embarrassing to hear an adult who pretends

to take their work seriously say all Tucker is basing this on is edited clips from Alex's show from 2001 that are meant to create the appearance that he predicted 9-11 in detail. In the clip from July 2001 that seems to have blown Tucker's mind, Alex references Bin Laudin and the World Trade Center specifically in reference to the bombing in 1993 which Al Qaeda took credit for. He doesn't predict that planes will be flown into the World Trade Center, he just references the idea that the government could false flag blow up a plane, citing the Baltimore Sun. This is just him mentioning an article that covered Operation Northwoods.

These are all very normal things for Alex to rant on and use as touch points in any one of his episodes. The only way this even comes close to appearing like some kind of a prediction is if these pieces are edited together in order to create that image. There's nothing impressive about Alex's alleged prediction and it's really wild that Tucker is acting like this long past the point where he needs to. The election is over, the damage has been done,

so it just feels like what you're seeing here is an indication that Tucker is sincerely an idiot. Like, I think that he might just be stupid. Yeah, why not? I mean, you know, there's no reason to believe that he was ever more than this, right? I guess not. If you stop, I think a lot of us are just, well, you're on TV, you can't be that stupid. But other people give them words to say a lot of the time.

Yeah, and I think that Tucker may have a lot of built up, sort of unexamined credibility from that. Yeah. You were on real TV. Yeah. You couldn't be there if you didn't have some baseline competence. Well. You wore the bow tie, which is embarrassing. Right.

But you realize that you shouldn't wear the bow tie. Right. Which is an indication of some competence. Right. But if you're on mainstream TV and you're Tucker, all you really have to do is sound like other mainstream TV people, but a little bit more. So you don't actually have to be smart. None of those people are smart. They just sound like each other.

And then they're all there, so you're like, oh, then they must all be good. Can you imagine if Anderson fucking Cooper saw that clip of Alex's like edited together prediction? It was like oh my god. Maybe maybe he's maybe he's a prophet. Yes. That's what I'm trying to say I think they're all exactly that stupid in real life. I think that there's Maybe maybe all of them are stupider than we think but Okay, I will okay, let's just let's just call it a curve of like just depress the whole profession down. He was already on the bottom. Oh, let me- let me actually- let me see if I can articulate it a little better.

Okay. Tucker is where desperation meets that kind of- There you go. Vapidity and stupid. Yeah. Because he had no other path to go down then I was attacked by a fucking demon Yep, there you go. That's where we're at. Yes. Yes So I noticed that it's there's a strange way that this is is starts. That's not really a cold open

You know, that's like a cutout question. Yeah, I guess there was a question He's asking a question then there's the theme music and then it comes back and Alex starts to answer. Oh. So it's a little bit jarring and disconnected, but here's Alex's answer. Well there certainly is. I'd already been researching false flag attacks, not just by our government, but other governments throughout history. The Gulf of Tonkin to get us into Vietnam in 64 that was later declassified to have been staged. And of course the USS Liberty between Israel and the Lyndon Baines Johnson administration wanted to get us into full war with Egypt, but the ship survived, became the most decorated ship in US history because of the valiance of the crew. And Operation Ajax where the CIA, Kermit Roosevelt,

53 overthrew Mohammed Mosaddegh who was a reformist and really pro-west but he wouldn't give them all the oil and they use radical Islamists to overthrow him and then Put the Shah in and then over through the Shah over and over again There's just hundreds and hundreds of historical real case examples of that being done by our government and other governments and I saw a lot of pre-programming in the news. Oh, someone bin Laden's going to get us when he gets us. We need to give up all of our rights and we'll be a new America and we've got to set up this police state. So I saw a lot of pre-programming and— But you called the specifics.

You called the specifics of 9-11. I just can't get past that. And I've asked you in public and private, how did you do that? I've never gotten really a straight answer. I doubt I will now because it's bullshit It's the incontrovertible fact the provable fact that you called it And then they began a campaign against you and it's not because you're a racist You've never been a racist or an anti-semite or a crazy person actually you've never spewed hate But you have for you know

30 years said the foundations of our system are actually kind of fake and rotten. But it was 9-11. That's when they really decided this guy has to be stopped and just basically eliminated the First Amendment to stop you. Well, just to be clear, it's not that I'm dodging how I knew it. That was 24 years ago, and I remember what I was covering and what I was doing at the time.

It's funny how Tucker is like imposing his own version of Alex onto him. He's like, you've never been racist. You just said that society is rotten. He's created, he has this cartoon character and he's like, I'm talking to him. You are that. But this whole exchange is silly because we know from listening to Alex's show that the answer to Tucker's question is that God gave Alex prophetic visions that allowed him to see the future, which is where this prediction about 9-11 came from. He said it explicitly on multiple occasions on the show and it's the answer that Tucker is fishing for here. If you have Alex Jones on your show in 2025, you're not looking for a calm, measured

conversation about what cues he saw in the media that led him to think 9-11 was going to happen. You want to advance the social conversation about how you're in the middle of a holy war in the spirit realm and you were attacked by a fucking demon. Tucker is trying to be as soft as he can about it, but he's just opening this interview telling Alex to get into the crazy shit so he can help normalize it. And Alex seems to want to be taken seriously instead. It's a mismatch of energies that you see coming at each other.

He's like, tell me the fun shit. And Alex is like, well, you know, Lyndon Baines Johnson, brr, brr, brr. No. Fuck off, you're boring. It's the problem with prophets. You want your prophets to be dead because if your prophets alive they have to be like well I didn't actually predict it man I'm

not actually a prophet. Do you want me to sit here and tell you I see the future? Right. Because then our conversation is going to have to shift a little bit and I'm probably going to come out looking stupid. Tell me what you want because what you want is for me to be dead so you can say what I'm supposed to say. Exactly. So you can draw the cartoon character and have me on the mantle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So Alex talks a bit about how he predicted 9-11 more times than just that one clip that Tucker's mind was blown by. Sure. And everybody's seen the July 25th where I went into detail, but actually my crew using chat GPT scanning through all my old shows found shows in April and even before that in March where I get more specific and I said the CIA is going to fly planes into the World

Trade Centers and blame it on Bin Laden. So I just think that's the most amazing fact I've ever heard. So is it a fact now that the CIA did it? And again, we can prove it because it's on tape with time stamps and everyone's like, oh yeah, okay, Alex Jones is crazy, a hater, okay, whatever. I don't think that's true. But you called 911 and no investigator ever called you to ask you how you called that? No.

No one? No. No one from DOJ, Philip Zelikow of the 9-eleven Commission now called you no Investigators didn't call Alex because these clips are edited after the fact to make it look like he made a specific prediction It would have been a waste of important public resources after 9-eleven to play profit games with some dipshit from public access TV in Texas Alex said that his researchers used AI to go find other predictions, and here's one that Chase posted that Alex is referring to. All right.

On March 6th, 2001, Alex Jones first predicted the September 11th attack on the World Trade Center. You've got an element of the FBI and these war game scenarios where they can remote control a 747 and they're going to crash it into the World Trade Center. While other networks lie to you about what's happening now, Infowars tells you the truth about what's happening next. So this wasn't Alex predicting anything.

It's him describing the plot of the first episode of the X-Files spin-off, The Lone Gunman. That sounds right. One of the tip-offs is that this is, you know, you can tell that it's not a very impressive prediction is how tightly Alex's words are cut in order to take away context of what he might have been discussing. As you heard that voiceover say, this was from March 6th, 2001. And the episode of the lone gunman that Alex is describing came out on March 4th.

This was not Alex making a prediction. He had just seen the episode and was describing the plot. That sounds true. That sounds true. But on the other hand, have you considered that now we do like, are we now taking all of this is fact? Right? If you want to believe what Tucker's saying. Right. But I don't even think that Alex has a concrete, like, specific version of 9-11 that he would stand behind under scrutiny. Right, right, right. But if you're saying, like, it's amazing that this guy called 9-11, then if that guy also says that the FBI was remote-controlling planes, that means you are saying the FBI did remote

control planes to cause 9-11. Right. Right. Thus, we should have to do something about that. The FBI did 9-11, right? That's what you're saying. Yeah. And I think that all of the crack investigators that have been going for the last 25 years

probably would have been able to demonstrate some kind of a remote control thing. Anything. Right. But I'm sure it's declassified in the white papers or something. Fair enough. Anyway, Alex is real boring about how he predicted 9-11. Tucker is trying to get him to say, God told me and other powers exist in the spiritual realm. For God sakes, monkey, dance. Exactly. Yeah. So that was well known in the research circles

that Bin Laden was basically a multinational cutout used by Western intelligence agencies to destabilize areas, but also be a boogeyman. Then you see CNN in a mountain cave, magically being able to find him, but the US can't kill him and nobody else can. And I knew that CNN is literally the CIA broadcasting system. For sure. Total Mockingbird, Thoroughbred. And there were hundreds and hundreds of points that went in. But OK, Bin Laden's work for the CIA and you got CNN interviewing him. And they're all scaring us saying he's about

to attack us. And then I remembered how Ahmad Salam, who was an Egyptian intelligence agency operative working for the FBI and CIA, was hired to build a bomb in the early 90s to blow up the World Trade Center. But then when they said build a real bomb, he started recording them because he sort of figured out it was a setup. And then he had that press conference where he played it. I interviewed him a few times where the FBI said, no, just go ahead and let it go forward.

And so you start adding all that together. They'd already tried to hit the World Trade Center before. The World Trade Center had a lot of issues in it with asbestos and also some of the structural issues. So they were already wanting to have a plan to get rid of it. And then you have the CIA and FBI in the Solomon Brothers building, Building 7, the 47 story skyscraper.

You have that right next door. So I looked at all of it and I thought, where would the new Pearl Harbor be? And the year before in the Project for American Century headed up by Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney wrote in there that we need a new Pearl Harbor event to launch the Pox Americana, but it wasn't an American empire of freedom and liberty and justice like Trump's trying to, you know, launch. It was a globalist empire of military enforcement and tyranny.

And so there was a lot of other data points. It's like Alex is going out of his way to beg to be taken seriously in this interview, which is somewhat counter to what Tucker needs him to do. Alex isn't supposed to be an astute guy who understands how to read media trends. He's a fucking prophet. Tucker got attacked by a demon. Alex sees the future. We're in Magicland, and Alex is supposed to be the guy who's leading that charge and

isn't ashamed to be that. This exchange is super boring because Alex isn't playing ball. He has no use to anyone as a media analyst or historical critic because if he's put in those boxes you might start to question how consistent his batting average is. You might start checking and realize that he's wrong about shit constantly and maybe you shouldn't take him seriously. Now as a prophet he's pretty good. He has a passionate delivery and he's really good at manipulating people's emotions. He's an expert at making a million vague predictions that can be presented as one specific prediction later with the help of editors and marks like

Tucker. And prophets benefit from being in a position where they don't really have to be right much. God gives them visions, but those can be hard to interpret. And plus, their scary prediction might not come true thanks to them making the prediction. Their inaccuracy might actually be proof of how effective they are as a prophet. This is the slot Tucker needs Alex to fit in, not some kind of rogue academic. This is a huge miscalculation on Alex's part in terms of what he's useful for. Yeah. Like when he got invited to come to that, uh, the thing in Pennsylvania, uh, the show,

he played his role. Yeah. He did exactly what he was supposed to do. Yell the catchphrases, pump them up, do all that shit. This is, this is not it. This is not hitting. Yeah. Yeah, it does feel like It feels like he is now supposed to transition into the project Camelot role

Mm-hmm, that's his job now and he does he doesn't want to do it I he just still doesn't he still wants to view himself as the different thing and he's just that he's got to do it well, I think that the archetype that he's living by should be dead by now. Yeah. The end of this story doesn't really have a good place for you to exist in because if you're really this dangerous, the powers shouldn't have let you to get to this point. You're now celebrating the powers that be having the ability to murder people exactly like you. Yeah.

So you should be murdered. Yeah, you've lived long enough to become the villain. Yeah. And it's boring. Yeah. Also, I get just a real strong vibe from that clip of Alex as like someone who cheated on a test. Sure.

He cheated on the test in as much as like, he said that he predicted 9-11 exactly in order to create the image that he's a prophet. That's cheating. Right. And now he's being asked to justify it. And instead of just playing into the cheating, he's trying to justify how he arrived at his answer. Yeah.

By like faking the work that he did in order to arrive at the conclusion. Right, right, right. He's making up the book report as he says it. He's read the cover of the Adventures of Tom Sawyer and he's like, man, Tom is out here riding motorcycles. Tom is adventuring. And then that's how I knew that Tom was going to paint that fence, man. He doesn't want to be seen as somebody who just like, I have magic. And so he's like, ah, yeah, Ahmad Salam, the 1993 bombing. CNN was able to interview him. Oh, I put all these data points together.

Fuck off. Yeah, it's what happens when you go from wanting adoration to wanting respect. And you should not want respect if you're Alex. No. Just play into it. People will love you. So Tucker is trying to beat this drum of like,

hey, you were the only one who predicted it. You're a psychic. Say you're a psychic hey, you were the only one who predicted it. You're a psychic. Say you're a psychic. You're a psychic. And you're the only one. Say it. Which indicates that he doesn't even take any of this shit seriously because he would have seen that Bill Cooper was also predicting this. But whatever. Whatever.

Okay, so these are not minor issues. These are like the biggest things happening in the world. The most important things happening in the world. and the end of one system ushering in of a new system millions in the end died because of all of this millions and what you're on like cable access in Texas figuring this out like where is everybody else I don't understand like I don't wear what I worked at CNN at the time I don't know we had a as you said Peter Bergen went and interviewed but I'm not attacking Peter Bergen but like what how come you were the only one who figured this out? Yeah by that time I started out in 94 as a guest on Access TV and had my own show by 95 but I I was on Local Talk Radio I just started

getting you know I've been syndicated a few years then but I was okay but but you're right I was on Access TV as well and and that's where they were like way out fringe and all the people at the very center of Our business journalism like they didn't see or didn't talk publicly about any of this. I can well none of this Well, I saw Gary Hart on with another guest Gary Hart the former presidential candidate senator from Colorado. I think was the Hart-Rubin Commission yeah I saw him in Congress with testimony earlier that year and also saw him on I believe it was CNN or maybe it was Chris

Matthews MSNBC I but but the clips famous and they say the world's about to change there's about to be big things happening your big big attacks When was this it was a it was in early July? It was before 9-eleven yes, and that's and they were very specific so I should find that clip can crowdsource that and That was the final catalyst because they were basically telling the establishment very thinly veiled What was about to go on so I sat back, I looked at it and I thought years later, how did I come up with that? So I don't just say a bunch of stuff that most of it doesn't come true when I'm very specific on prediction. You're saying that now.

Yeah, a little defensive. This isn't why Alex is here. He's here to talk about psychic visions. Plus he's not answering any of these questions honestly. Tons of people in the conspiracy and right wing world were talking about false flags coming because the experience of Oklahoma City and Waco were fresh in their minds. And Bill Cooper had made the exact predictions that Alex did previous to him. This is all just real sad, false image building here. I think going back, part of the reason that we, like, I've read a few books recently that were written in between the time period of 93 and 01, and they reference the World Trade Center bombing.

And there's so much of that that's like, I remember now that was not spoken of. Like in my experience after 9-11 was, it took me years for people to finally be like, oh, yeah But didn't you know that Osama did it in 93 because it was so much bigger what happened in? No, no, no, but the point being is that it was it was like Used to then push us towards Iraq to push us towards doing all that stuff as opposed to being like no This guy is this is number two man. Yeah, we know what's going on with this guy because he's already said what's going on yeah it muddied the details a little bit and there's a criticism to be made on that front for sure yeah but but yeah it's that when you have that clip

of Alex from the summer of 2001 and he says the World Trade Center yeah you think of 9-11, but he was thinking of 93. And that is something that's really difficult to, after 9-11, keep track of because of the cultural memory and the precedents that 9-11 took, quite frankly. It was the World Trade Center those when those words those eight years were filled with a lot of people a Lot of people being like we didn't do anything about this Osama character

Yeah, are we going to do anything about this Osama character like it because he said he's gonna do this again Cuz he said it yeah, cuz people weren't like needing to predict it cuz he said it yeah Yeah, it's it's it's not as Magical as Tucker wants to know this And that's fine. I guess I mean Just comes off a little desperate to a certain extent Believe women of course, but also believe terrorists if they announce they're going to terrorize you sure so I mentioned earlier that

Alex may have been reciting the plot of a lone gunman episode. Yes when he made one of his 9-eleven predictions sure He I think realizes that that might be a criticism that is gonna come his way Yeah, and so he gets defensive about that in advance. Yeah, true. Sounds right. I don't just say a bunch of stuff and most of it doesn't come true. I'm very specific on predictions. Almost all of them have come true. I thought that it was the spinoff of the X-Files, and I wasn't even an X-Files fan, rarely

watched it, called the lone gunman that it turns out had come out in the spring of 2001 that I didn't even learn about because there wasn't Facebook and Twitter and X back then. So if you didn't watch those entertainment shows, you didn't know about it. And then six months or so after 9-11, listeners start saying, have you seen this? And I had listeners send me VHS recordings off Fox TV of this episode where a criminal group in the US government hijacks a jumbo jet in New York to fly it in the World Trade Center to blame it on a Central Asian terrorist so that they have a pretext to take over domestic with the police state and launch wars in the Middle East.

Wait, this was on the X-Files? Yes, this was on the X-Files. And so later I thought maybe I got it from that. But then we found tapes even earlier a month before that came out where I was already had put it together on the radio. I'm sure that bears was crazy. Then I got reached out by some of the host of the X-Files saying, Hey, the host Chris Carter told us that the CIA came to him with the plot of this. What do you think the X-Files is? David Duchovny called you? Is he the host of the X-Files? ...as a TV program. And then later I corresponded to him with Chris Carter via email. He talked about this in the news, like in entertainment publications, about Alex Jones, really good guy.

And when they rebooted in 2016 again, he talked about the talk show host characters based on me. So I've talked to him, some of his crew, but he said, no I don't know why the CIA you used to interview him you came to me and said here's the script for this show so so wasn't just Alex Jones saying that a government agency was gonna hijack a jet and fly the World Trade Center the X-Files spin-off the lone gunman one of its main episodes was about that specific story this is just crazy so I often I often get people I know saying- Oh, and they remote control and hijack the jet, the good guys, and keep it from crashing the World Trade Center.

Great job. So why would the CIA come to Chris Carter and say, we want you to write this, and then it's released months and months before 9-11? So I'm not the only one. It was in the collective unconsciousness. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, you don't know. So when he says the hosts of the X-Files,

what he means, he just doesn't wanna say Dean Haglund, one of the Glow-N-Gunmen, one of the actors who was on the show. Alex interviewed him way back. He's had him on the show. And so this is what he's referencing. And actually, if you go and find the Dean Hagelin interview that Alex did, Alex is trying to say like Chris Carter got a visit from the CIA and they told him to put this in.

Dean Hagelin specifically says like, Chris Carter was busy trying to do the X-Files at the same time we were doing the spin-off. It was really mostly Vince Gilligan who's doing this show right right right? So like it doesn't even make sense based on the interview that Alex did himself But whatever yeah, I mean that's the thing you're already project camelot. Mm-hmm. This is bullshit. Mm-hmm, right? Shooz it up. Yeah, if you've already crossed the line from anything resembling reality And you've gone full into fictional reality, then fucking have great times with it!

But I think that Alex realizes that you risk shaking loose whatever amount of your audience is still connected to reality if you go too far. And I think that he wants to play both sides. And that's why this has this dissonance to it. Yeah, it's a little bit like, who's's given him advice these days or is he just no one right like is somebody saying hey don't go too far because nobody can be nobody could possibly be saying I'm sure his dad could bully him but I don't know if anybody I don't sure email to his dad hey bully him into being fun you

asshole yeah tell him to lean in yeah Also, I like this the the main episode one of their main episodes main episodes It was the pilot as opposed to some of their other non main episodes It was their pilot and that's because the play on words of the title pilot right yeah, yeah Gotcha yeah but also like Well, he's trying to pretend like I didn't see it till six months later He's explaining the plot two days after the show aired. Yeah, you watch that shit, man

Yeah there was a time there was a time when you really didn't need Facebook or any of those social media sites because There were only so many shows. Mm-hmm So you could conceivably just know all of them. Like walking through the day you'd be like, I know all of the TV that's on right now. And I just don't, I don't believe that someone like Alex in 2000, 2001 wouldn't watch the X-Files and be thrilled about the lone gunman.

His favorite show, 100%. He would probably be like, I wanna grow up to be this someday. That's what he did. Dean Haglund also said specifically that this episode was written a year prior to when it came out. So Vince Gilligan predicted 9-11.

He must've. Okay. If he was the one who wrote the episode, he definitely was one of the producers, one he definitely was like one of the producers, one of the main creative forces of the show. He did that and then he predicted crystal meth, I guess. Yep. Yep.

There we go. So, look, when you're a prophet, it's hard. It weighs on you. Sure. And so Tucker wants to know about like, what's it like? Don't make me lie to your face. Being tortured by all this information that you have, how hard is it?

Before I ask you what you think the signs are pointing to now, like what are your predictions for the next five years, and then I ask you how your battles with the US government are going in its attempts to silence you. How do you, like if you have this ability, which you do, I'm not sucking up, it's just again it's provable, to put together a picture, an extraordinarily accurate picture of what the future holds, like what does that do to you? How do you sleep and how do you live and like why haven't you totally destroyed yourself?

Like that's not, those are kind of not thoughts that most people including me are burdened with and don't really want to be burdened with But like how do you turn off the visions of the future in your head? Well, I mean I appreciate you saying nice things about me and obviously God gives us all different gifts and I do have some gifts But I think a lot more people have these gifts and then then really it. But you can prove it. That's why I've obviously we're friends and I like you as a man, but you can prove it in a way that others can't because it's on tape. So it's not really debate. Has Alex Jones had more accurate predictions in the future than any living person in the

world that I know of? We can prove that. We don't have to argue about it. I've got the freaking tape. So again, it's not even a compliment. It's just an observation. And I don't know why I seem to be the only person who's obsessed with this. How did this guy predict this?

Everyone's like, oh, he's crazy. Okay, maybe he's crazy, but he predicted this. So my question is like, what does that do to you? I mean, it is stressful, the responsibility responsibility of don't do that searching and looking at all your culture I killed Gene Hackman That's so weak that is crazy. Yes, that is crazy I don't I don't want to be asked a question like that. Mm-hmm Cuz that makes me feel like you're fucking with me

Yeah, right because if you're not fucking with me me then it makes me want to ask you a question like how the fuck do you get through? The day what are you doing if you're asking me this in an honesty, right? well the I think that the reason that the question is is Framed as such is because Alex isn't playing ball. Tucker wants to interview him, but he's a fucking psychic and a prophet Right. He's trying to push him into a yeah, and Alex is is Sort of doing these these little hand asides about like you know God gave me a gift, but he gives everyone gifts I saw these data points and he's trying to do that whereas Tucker needs him to be like Dude, you have the main line to God I genuinely God. I genuinely, genuinely, if he just had the slightest bit of yes and, he might be off

to a better start. Maybe. You know? Or, you know, replace that yes and with... I'm going home. Whiskey. Yeah, whiskey works. Yeah.

But this question, this line of questioning is weak. Complaining about how difficult it is to be a psychic is, I don't think that's gonna resonate with the alpha audience that Tucker likes to pretend he has. It's beta to be stressed and feel responsibility about stuff. Also, the reason that other people maybe aren't as convinced by the supposed evidence as Tucker is,

because they've looked at more evidence than just that edited clip that Alex put out to market himself as a prophet. Sure. Possibly some people have looked at the larger picture of Alex's career and assessed more than just memes. Hmm. That isn't profitable for Tucker, so he's gonna stick to this game, but man, he seems like an idiot. He just looks so dumb. It is... I... It really is just so mean.

It's so mean for him to either be that good at fucking with Alex to his face, or to be that dumb. I have the opposite take. I think Alex is the one who's fucking with him. Really? Because Alex screams about how he has prophetic visions on his own fucking show. If you're Tucker, you have every reason to think, I'm throwing a softball up. Alex is going to hit it by talking about how much God has told him. Okay, you have every reason to think like this is the person that he presents himself to be. Right. This is the kind of conversation that he's going to

be willing to have. Okay, so you're saying that on a fundamental level, the motivations that we're getting, this this is the dynamic dynamic Alex is coming in thinking Well, I'm glad to take my show off so I can be Tucker show. I can try and present myself to maybe some of the more Rational older people who watch Tucker, right? I can market myself to this audience in a way that isn't buffoonish, right? And he assumes because Tucker invited him onto his show, Tucker also wants this. Tucker assumes that Alex is going to come in psychic,

and he assumes that because he invited Alex onto his show. So both of them fundamentally, through the same actions, have completely different perceptions on how this is supposed to go. Yeah, except for the place where the Venn diagram overlaps, which I think is that they both want to sanitize and sell Alex sure as being something that he's not which are profit and not racist right but like this is again this is this is just pre-show conversation it could have helped right yeah just do a

little bit of preparation put a clown nose on Alex I think ultimately so much of this shit is just laziness. Yeah. But they eventually get around to it. Okay. Alex does get in the mood a little bit. Okay, good. And so demons, you know. They'll pop up. Yeah, they come up. All right. I'm talking to so many people that weren't even Christian or weren't even religious or weren't even spiritual who were saying it's good versus evil. And I talked to so many people, I know they're professionals and they, you know, Austin's full of a lot of particularly rich people and women just becoming demon possessed. Literally the same.

Austin, dang. I'm hearing about all over the country, all over the world. What is that? Shut up. It's unnoticeable and I'm so blessed to be surrounded mostly by women who are just the opposite of wonderful but who are the rock. who are just the best. They are wonderful. But I, who are the rock, I mean they are just the best. However, what you just described is just on display everywhere. And it's men too.

You're about the soccer coach that just kidnapped a little kid and took him and killed him and threw him in the woods, reportedly, allegedly. I mean it's just, I mean it's men too, but normally in history it's men that do the really openly satanic stuff. Yes, exactly. And women, you know, 2% of violent crime. Now it's, you know, they're, it's, it's, it's because it's a crisis. And women particularly, but men as well buy into whatever they see as the power structure.

That's a survival mechanism generally. That's exactly right. But when the power structure is a death cult, by increment, they get deeper and deeper. I mean, you look at these leftists and, you know, them in the hundreds of photos where they took their shot and they, or they, or they had their abortion or, you know, they the hundreds of photos where they took their shot and they or they or they had their abortion or You know, they want to kill Trump and you look at where they're worshiping death in some way You can see it They all look super unhealthy. They look totally insane in the eyes. They look like Charlie Manson and

So so it's it's I've seen more and more love in people's eyes. Yes more spiritual connection to God I've seen more and more love in people's eyes. Yes more spiritual connection to God More and more of that quiet place of just serenity and people and then I'm seeing more and more of the satanic energy So it's it's really a parting of the sea. Yes. Yes So you saying that things are getting polarized No novel observation that Alex is making parting of the sea It seems like the people I like are more likable Yeah, and it seems like the people that I don't like are more unlikeable to the point where one side is angels And the other side is demons seems like maybe things have gotten out of hand

Maybe things have gotten out of hand. Maybe you're fucking child That like honestly that responsive shut up is just like that's exactly what Tucker deserves Fuck you How dare you make those noises yeah Unbelievable good so Alex expounds on this a little bit further about how his enemies are demon possessed sure That'll happen and then Tucker tells a second hand story I don't think is necessary. And these people that are influenced by satanic energy, by literal spiritual forces, demons,

they are the slaves. And when they're not out doing evil and persecuting people, they don't even feel like they're alive and they're desperate and they're scared and they're lost and then they get driven forward by this dark force to, it'll be all right once you just go out and once you take these people out. You know, it's the good people that are making you feel bad. It's them, destroy them, then you'll have peace.

And that's the deeper understanding I've had of how this satanic system works. It's so clearly true. And if you ask if there's anyone that you've really like focused on, I don't know, George Soros or Larry Fink, I mean just the other day I was talking to somebody who knows Larry Fink really well. And I was saying, I think Larry Fink is like, I don't know, I've never met Larry Fink,

but boy, he's responsible for a lot of suffering from my perspective. And you know, this person said there's no one more unhappy than Larry Fink, like nobody. And I was just with him in a car. He was screaming at someone on the phone. This guy's made billions of dollars and personally tormented. And I know a bunch of people, because I know a lot of the people involved in things that I think are really evil. And there's not a happy one among them, not one.

Oh, Larry Fink, so unhappy according to some guy I talked to. Tragic. Never met this person, but I'm going to characterize him as miserable. You know, it's crazy. It's wild. All those people with all the money, their lives are terrible. You wouldn't want it. You would not, don't ever want that kind of thing.

You also did see Tucker slipping up a little bit towards the end there where he's talking about how I'm friends with all of these people who do evil. I know all those people. I know all those people. We all summer in the Hamptons. So unhappy. We were all together pretty much all the time. Yeah, so miserable.

We played tennis together. We have a standing appointment meeting in the Devil. We have the most miserable vacations. One time we went to Sicily. It was fucking awful. Everyone was sad. Miserable. Terrible.

We went through the wine. There's too much stress. It's too much stress sitting on the beach looking out at the vastness of the ocean, wondering about God's creation, when whether or not we were meant to enjoy it. I hated this one time we went to Dubai and we went to the tallest building in the world.

Sure. We were just hanging out in Infinity Pool on the top of the biggest building in the world. It sucked. Everyone was so sad. Yeah. Miserable. This is awful.

Yeah. Cool, man. Yeah, great work. So I think that there is an internal tension here that they are kissing the ass of really rich people while having pretended to create this populist image of themselves and Trump and this. And I feel like this next clip really sums up Alex's attempt at squaring the circle and

I just don't think it works. You know, we're always hearing Elon Musk, we're just going around the world. Well, he's a guy that has been good at keeping the companies under his control. So he independently is the most powerful person, corporate, science, communications, Titan. But then they spin it like, oh, he's the establishment. No, Trump, as you know, has a very small orbit of independent billionaires that are defending him because they want to stabilize civilization for everybody's good. But when you look at the international power and the large S, it's been against Trump. More and more they realize they're losing because the people are with Trump.

Yes. So Trump has an inner clique of benevolent oligarchs. So a small group, let's say between, I don't know, eight and fourteen, a small group of extremely wealthy individuals together. Who possibly have financial interests that run counter to those of the rest of the international community. Right. Are together making decisions.

Now perhaps I would suggest maybe we would find all of those names on Epstein's flight logs. So you're saying that there is a small billionaire cabal of pedophiles who are running the world right now, Alex? Am I correct in you saying that? Not exactly. They're benevolent oligarchs. Okay, so a small group of benevolent pedophile billionaires is running the world.

Is that what you're trying to tell me? I mean, I just think that there's nothing more comical than Alex saying something like this. I just think, yeah, Trump has a small group that he keeps close to good billionaires. There's just no other way to describe it than Alex is saying that it's okay for there to be a small billionaire pedophile cabal. If they're into Trump. Right? Yeah, that's cool. That's what he's into. I don't think that it would be a deal breaker. I mean, yeah, it's what's happening. Yeah. So Tucker and Alex had a conversation prior to their recording. Yeah. And Alex brings

this up. And I think that Alex thinks that he has said he's talked out of school. Yes. But I don't think he has. I think he's fine, but he gets a little self-conscious. And we were just talking last night. I hope you would repeat that because you were asking me with some folks we were talking to about what my view is basically on the geopolitical new landscape. And I laid my view and you said, no, I think that's dead on. And then you said basically, if you feel like repeating repeating it that we need to sell it very clearly

you're on this team or you're on that team because it really is team chai com eu globalist new world order that's that's what's left you know the uk don't trust them who runs it but they're trying to come in under a u.s alliance and america and the world needs to understand there's a new international system forming the old one fell and we better decide what this new system's gonna look like and who's gonna be in charge of it, because that's the way it is. So think about how you'll feel when you achieve your biggest goals of all, whether it's starting a business, paying off your mortgage, sending your kids to college, having the money to pay for it.

You'll be pretty proud when you've met these essential life goals, and you should be proud all the start when you do that. But what do you do next? so getting to the goals is one thing but protecting them is an entirely different thing and maybe a bigger thing and this is where life insurance from policy genius comes in now policy genius makes finding and buying life insurance really easy cool so I kept that as that because it's his commercial breaks are very jarring yeah, you know they they kind of come out of nowhere I was in the middle of a thought and now we're talking about life insurance. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep

It's clunky and unprofessional. I would say I have somebody who's recording a podcast out of his apartment I mean, it's it You know like sometimes if you're listening to a true crime podcast and they're talking about the tragic and horrific murder of somebody and then they're like, and now, hello apron fresh is here to, you know, you're like, oh, what you're revealing is the valuelessness that you treat life with. Sure. You know, that kind of thing. If you're talking about like the importance of the world.

And how everything is black and white and you're on our team or you're against us. It's good versus evil. The Bible cannot have inserts for like coupons. No, it's poor form. It just can't, it can't, it can't. And it does. That's how weird it is. Yeah, I would have chosen better edit points

if I were Tucker or whoever is producing this show. But hey, petty criticism on my part. I think that this black and white thinking is pretty stupid. But I don't think that Tucker has any problem with what Alex is saying. He's not telling some conversation they had on air that would get them in trouble or anything. So they come back from the commercial and thus begins the talk of how great Russia is and how we need to side with them or else. Cool.

To now project that around the world. And so the globalists are being destroyed by their own Frankenstein monster and then the EU's decided to ally with China. And again, the UK is at least on the surface acting like, no, they want to be in a new Anglophile alliance with the, quote, US empire. Again, the US has a limited window to get everybody on board with us and then our alliance easily with the key countries in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, central among it, and some other alliances, and then obviously an open economic alliance with Russia who wants an economic alliance

and has more resources than any country in the world. That is the real chessboard, and that's why the left and the globalists want to drive America and Russia apart because geographically and also militarily and then also scientifically and then just raw material. Of course. That is the obvious. If you believe Russia is our greatest enemy, if you are working full time to divide the United States from Russia, you are acting against the interests of the United States.

You hate the United States, you hate the West, you want to see it fall. They hate Russia because it's a white Christian country. That's a fact. Why Russia? And all of this, once you take three steps back makes perfect sense like we have a lot of people in our country Working actively for the destruction of the West of Christian civilization. So that's just a fact You know people don't like it when you say that but they don't like it when you say it because it's absolutely true and the Farther you get from the United States. that's one of the great benefits of travel,

the more obvious it is. You don't know you're married to an alcoholic until you go on vacation without that person. You're like, oh shit, I'm married to an alcoholic. You can't see any of this when you're in the middle of it, but when you leave, it's like, oh my gosh. O'Reilly So yeah, they hate Russia because it's a white Christian country. J.D. WO. It's always amazing.

They always manage to do it. And that's the thing that they do so well because it's what everybody kind of gets pushed into of like, oh, they hate Russia. Russia's our enemy. It's like, I've got to be 100% clear on this. Everybody in Russia is totally fucking fine. Kill Putin. This is a guy. This is a guy and like 20 billionaires who work for him like yeah, it's a guy and the control over the government

Yeah, this is nothing to do with Russia as an imaginary concept. This is it's a guy. It's a guy Just go kill that guy. It's not it's not about whiteness Christianess or anything that guy wants stuff I don't know how other else to describe it other than there's a guy who wants other people's shit. Yeah, there's an emperor. Yeah. Yeah.

Gotta kill that guy. It's not complicated. It's simpler than Tucker would like it to be, for sure. I mean, I think the argument that hating Russia because it's a white Christian country is stupid, considering all of the white Christian countries, or countries that Tucker would classify as white Christian countries that aren't treated the same way because they haven't invaded their neighbors constantly and they aren't run by a guy who's very clearly an emperor. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's coming after like Portugal and shit. Right? Or France. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get them. Luxembourg, France.

I want Portugal and Luxembourg, France on my desk by Monday. Give Trump time. So anyway, Russia's great. And I think that one of the things that's underlying this messaging that Tucker has is we have to just do everything we can to support and get in line with Russia because otherwise China wins. I think that's maybe at like if you pushed him hard enough that's what would come out. Yeah. You squeezed him like a grape that's the juice. Right, right, right. The best rational explanation.

Right, yeah. I mean yeah but they they're not, they're not white enough. Right. Yeah. So, um, Alex, as we know from our last episode that we did, one of his employees was murdered. Yeah. And, uh, this comes up. Great! I bet we're gonna treat it with all the reverence that it deserves.

Man, it's respectful. Oh, boy. There are signs that it's, you know, we're entering a violent stage. I pray that we're not, but it feels like we are. You just had a long-time employee assassinated. I don't know the extent to which you want to talk about that, but what was that? Is it a harbinger of things to come? Well, a month ago, Jamie White, a great reporter, great guy, we were working up there Sunday

night till about nine o'clock. I left, he went home and then he got shot to the carotid artery, one shot through his neck and then out the back and then he bled to death. By the time he got to the hospital, about 15 minutes later, the police got there very quickly. How old was he? He was 36.

And he was on Ukraine Hit List along with myself and you and a bunch of other people. Everybody getting the SWAT calls, the SWAT teams sitting in their houses and their families has been on that list as well. Which is basically everyone you know. Yes. And then of course you have the Ukraine-tourured American journalist, Gonzalo Lira to death and then celebrated that.

And so, and then of course we have the would-be assassin down in Mar-a-Lago, who was a big leftist, connected to all these intelligence agencies, recruiting hundreds of fighters for Ukraine, an American, then he comes back and tries to kill Trump. So I guess the DA is off the hook. I guess we've landed on going with Ukraine. I guess Ukraine is an assassinating man. They have... The assassinated...

They have... See, this is what I'm saying. I'd be furious if I was a Ukrainian and I'm like, I'm looking at this list. I'm going down the list. All right? If this is the guy you've got for me, this is not competence. This is not good. You think it doesn't rank in terms of targets? It's not. Listen, I'm just... shoot for the sky. Sky thinking, you know? Well, look, I'm reluctant to talk like this because I think this is even a little bit disrespectful of the fact that someone died and that is tragic. But in an RPG, you can't go against the boss immediately.

Right? That's fair. You need to build up your character. That's a good point. So I think that if you're looking at the list All right I I say we're getting some experience points before we can level up to take down Tucker I don't know Alex. I think sci-fi is real. Why can't I think RPGs are real?

I'm saying that I'm following along with you my friend. This is a yes, and if ever there was one I just think this is fucking gross. I think that they should be ashamed of themselves and whatever. Yeah, I mean fuck them. So Tucker explains in this next clip how we've lost to Russia already. Lost what? Everything. Oh, okay. So one thing I don't, one fact I don't think has penetrated the brains of policymakers

in Washington is that we just lost a war with Russia. The US was running that war the US military the Pentagon State Department Did we have to give them New Mexico against Russia? It was not it was never about Ukraine No one in Washington cares about Ukraine or the hundreds of thousands Ukrainian men destroyed the fact will be populated by third-worlders I mean Ukraine we just eliminated Ukraine. Nobody cares This was a war against Russia the hate Russia for a lot of reasons, mostly spiritual. But we lost. And my concern is because nobody will say that out loud, that we're overstating our power. And in the same way that you sometimes see like,

divorced 60 year old guys hitting on young women, and don't realize that the young women think this is like absurd, you're like an old man. Why? You really think I'm going to sleep with you? But the 60-year-old guy hasn't readjusted to the reality of his present condition. He still thinks he's 25. Do you see what I'm saying? And he humiliates himself.

That can happen at the level of nations where you think you can affect outcomes that you actually don't have the power to bring about. And so that's called hubris and that's how empires get destroyed and populations vaporize. And I'm really afraid of that. Like why can't we should know that we were not able to win a conventional war against Russia, period. So like what does that say about our power? Maybe we should readjust our expectations a little bit.

I don't want that to be true. By the way, I want I'm reading for I'm American. I'm not leaving my family's buried here, but like Don't you think that we run the risk of thinking we're capable of things that we're not capable of doing? Well, it's an example Hillary had a lot of fraud baked in but Trump wanted such a landslide He beat her and then a lot of Republicans and conservatives and populists thought Trump was gonna win for sure So we'd have as big a turnout so they were able to steal 2020. But there was such a giant landslide this time, it overrode the mail-in ballots, the dead people, the illegal aliens voting, all of that, they ran out of bullets. So it's fun how Alex just starts off on an unrelated topic here because it kind of feels

connected to what Tucker was saying, and he really doesn't know how to respond directly to that. Tucker said the US is like a 60 year old trying to pick up a young woman at a bar. The country is oblivious to the fact that it doesn't have the abilities that it once had. It's over the hill. As Toby Keith might put it, it's not as good as it once was. If you follow Tucker's thought, he's saying that the US needs to know its role and submit to Russia We can't beat Russia. So Russia makes the rules if they want to invade Ukraine We don't have a say in that because we can't beat them Alex should not agree with this

He also supports Putin but in the way that Tucker's articulating this is defeatist and it's a bit anti patriotic To relate it back to Toby Keith, Alex can believe that the US is not as good as it once was, but he has to believe that it's as good once as it ever was. We can kick any country's ass if we put our mind to it and actually try because the USA is the best, even at our worst. Without this feeling, Alex's entire worldview crumbles right in front of him. Putin has a distinct advantage in this conflict that Tucker seems to be ignoring, which is that he's acting in violation of international law and norms.

He invaded a neighboring country and seized territory, which he's able to get away with because other countries are scared that a full military response would prompt him to escalate things to nuclear weapons. The US is one of those countries that's scared, and they have to tiptoe around the conflict as opposed to addressing it directly, which is a disadvantage. Putin knows that unless there's a justification for these NATO countries entering the war as active participants, it's probably not going to happen, and his place in the world stage is going to be unchanged. He's already seen as an undemocratic dictator by most of the world, and him giving up on this war, it's not going to improve that image. So long as he doesn't invade

a NATO country or do something that would cause the larger powers to get involved, there's no real upside to him not acting like an emperor. Tucker's take on this is strange, and it's kind of hard to square with any kind of America first ideas, but you can see that Alex knows he needs to buy some time before responding to this. I mean, I find it really fascinating because it is an echo of something that is like, is the American thought process, right? Can't win a conventional war. Like to be clear on this, America could win any war that it wanted to

fight if it was fought in America because you would have to cross an ocean and then land and that's not going to happen. Right? So any war, the saying of war in these people's minds is like, well, we send a bunch of people over there to die. Right? Right. And we can't immediately win that as though that was ever a possibility. Right? Like, you can't just, like, the problem is, again, oceans are very big. They are. That's the big issue.

We don't need to, no, we can't fight a war with anybody, really, unless we send a bunch of people there. Because nobody's sending them here. Unless we wanted to fuck around with Canada. Right. We would have to fight a war with Canada, which is like what what are we doing? Well Trump's trying Territory like it's it's always it's got to be reminded that like the war that they're talking about is Taking other people shit. Yeah, it's not like we're fighting to save the day. Yeah, you know well

I think in essence a large part of like what's behind It's not like we're fighting to save the day. Yeah. You know? Well, I think in essence, a large part of like what's behind Tucker and Alex and all of, you know, like where they're coming from is that they just don't really believe in sovereignty of other countries. They believe in it for the United States, but they don't really believe in like the borders that exist for other countries. Yeah. There's a ranking system. and if you're not on top, you're a colony of everybody else.

If you're not strong enough, you are food. Yeah. And that's, you know, Tucker and Alex believe that Russia is strong enough to not be food, whereas Ukraine isn't, and we shouldn't be supporting food over Predator. I mean, sure. You know, that's sure kind of yeah

Anyway, Tucker brings up something and it's not not really true. Hmm Well, they got in the middle of the war this just come out the other day the Pentagon Wrote an assessment saying that they calculated that if we gave weapons to Ukraine that allowed the Ukrainian military or our military using Ukraine as a proxy to hit Targets within Russia. They judged the likelihood of a nuclear exchange at 50% And they did it anyway at that point like you should be in prison for the criminally insane. Well, that's right if Russia moved You're risking nuclear war Like you should be locked up. I don't understand. Like that's, I couldn't

even believe that. I mean, I of course intuitively knew that. And say that again, it's not eruptive. That's important to say again for people. The Pentagon under Joe Biden assessed, like, because they assess the likelihood of everything or they guess, you know, they guess they sort of work out how they think things will progress. But in every scenario globally, they do this. This is what they do at the Pentagon. And they assess that if we gave certain weapons weapons That allowed the Ukrainians to strike targets within Russia if we did that which we did The chance of a nuclear exchange nuclear Holocaust that killed everybody on earth would be 50% and they did it anyway

So imagine the kind of fucking idiot with that evil kind of fucking moron thinks this shit Supernatural forces to do so I think there's a fit that kind chance there fucking idiot would think that. Kind of fucking moron thinks this shit. That kind. There we are. Supernatural. Never mind. Rich drag doing it anyway. Like, why aren't you, how are you still walking free? I'm serious. No, and I'm glad you brought that assessment up because I really tried to be able to focus on that and I agree with that assessment. So assuming that everything that Tucker said there is true, then consider what the conclusion would be. If someone is likely to use nuclear weapons, you should do whatever they want.

Might makes right. This is a profoundly shallow and dumb perspective on international relations. And when you throw in that supernatural forces shit to it, Tucker really sounds like someone who thinks he's doing children's television. So I found an article in Pravda covering this Pentagon document that Tucker's talking about. Actually it was covering Tucker telling Alex about the document. That sounds more likely. No one knows what this document actually is.

Yeah, because it doesn't exist. The US didn't do an assessment that found that if they supplied weapons to Ukraine, it would lead to a 50% chance of Putin using nukes. This is a misrepresentation of a story about how a Russian general named Sergey Saravkin really wanted to use a tactical nuke to stop the October 2022 advance that Ukrainian forces were making towards Khursom. US intelligence overheard this and upgraded their assessment for the likelihood of nuclear weapons being used from about 10% to 50%.

In response to this, the US under Biden advocated that the Ukrainian forces ease up so as to not risk triggering this generals desired plan to use tactical nukes. There's no real consensus on whether or not that guy's plan would have been adopted, but the fact that he was pushing that made US leaders raise their concerns and now Tucker is lying about those circumstances in order to prop up Putin. He's a fucking idiot. This is insane. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh well. Yep. All these people are dumb. Yeah. And I think really the way that they present this information and how they're discussing it, it relies on a malice and an expectation that the people listening are dumb to.

Yeah, absolutely. It's, who would do this? They must be demons. Like it's outrageous. Man, remember Progosian? Remember how he got blown up in that helicopter? That's crazy, what a fucking idiot. That guy really tried tried he swung

Family right that had to have been the only thing I don't know cuz that's fucking dumb Yeah, that's one of the great dumb moves of all time yeah, this guy who advocated for the nukes actually he disappeared for a little while and There was talk that it was because he might have been mixed up with pergosian sounds about right and the that attempted coup Yeah, but he's still alive and right and the that attempted coup yeah but he's still alive and and and so that was just hearsay i don't know if that's actually i don't if there's any validity to it yeah you know but that's that's they're just they're just people who don't know when to get the fuck out just don't know you don't know who you're fucking dealing with crazy but the thing the thing that's nuts is like, the Wagner uprising and shit, they could have done something.

I don't know, I don't think they could have succeeded, but they could have done more damage than they did. I mean, I don't know. If you, listen, listen, if you're playing the game, and I hate to say this, you either win the game of Thrones or you get blown up in a fucking helicopter it shouldn't be complicated at this point right what is a helicopter but a dragon exactly what an idiot so Tucker I think is stupid I think I've made this point and I'm gonna stand by it agree and I think him

discussing the issue of of nuclear power in this next clip I think it really helps make my case that he's stupid. Mm-hmm They're never run, right? They always have scenarios where they're not gonna leak basically all the silly stupid concerns But the answer is nuclear you want more AI data centers comma, which I don't the answer is coal Everyone The answer is coal. Obviously, but I don't understand why everyone... Wait, obviously? This is such a sidebar and I'll stop in one sentence, but those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s remember that all the opponents to nuclear power were furry armpit dumb people and all the Greenpeace people. And so you're just like, oh, shut up.

Nuclear is obviously the solution. You just don't understand science. How can you be against climate change and also against nuclear power? I've said that myself like a hundred times on TV. But it's not about the spent fuel rods when we do with nuclear waste. That's easy. Put it in Yucca Mountain. It's about what if these things are untended?

What if they're the subject of a conventional or nuclear attack? And you look at all the mismanagement. It's massive vulnerability. Why doesn't anyone mention that? Some people might mention stuff. What the fuck are you talking about? Like, this idea that he argued in favor of nuclear power because the people who were against it

were furry, armpitted hippies. Yep. Like, that's what he does. Like, why would you ever expect any of his positions to have any deeper rooting than that? That's the kind of person he is yep. I fucking hate these dirty hippies I don't want to listen to anything they say so the opposite of what they say is correct Yeah, oppositional defiance turned into a worldview. Yes pathetic. These are the people I want to hang out with so I'll say what they say

Because I want to hang out with them that means they must be right because I want to hang out with so I'll say what they say. Because I want to hang out with them, that means they must be right. Because I want to be right. Because I don't want to hang out with those people, what they say must be wrong. They smell like patchouli. Right. But, you know, it doesn't matter what my people smell like because they smell like what I like them to smell like. I don't like sitting on bean bags, therefore I am for nuclear energy.

It really isn't that... Oh, whoops, I've completely changed my position now. It's shocking that your belief system is fucking malleable when it comes based on entirely, I wanna hang out with this guy today. Yeah, I think he's stupid. I think he's fucking stupid and it's a mistake to take even the toxic, noxious positions

that he has all that seriously. Crazy. This idea that Russia beat us in this war and all this stuff I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't defend any of that shit in like five years. Why yeah, why would you yeah? He's a worm. He's he's fine. He's been against the Iraq war. He's been for the Iraq war He's been against the Iraq war. He's been for the accurate who cares what he who cares what he thinks. He's been against Alex, he's been for Alex. Absolutely, none of it means anything. No.

So Trump, I think we can say that he's a bit destabilizing. Sure. He's a little chaotic. Sure. Maybe. And yet extremely predictable. If you're not a fucking moron. I don't know, I don't know if that's true.

I think some things are still a little bit left field. Alex on the other hand believes them to be a stabilizing force in the world. Well, I'd like to talk to folks out there saying Trump is being a destabilizer. The globalist order was collapsing by their own corruption and mismanagement and their alliance with China being double-crossed. And so that order was already being collapsed by them. collapsing by their own corruption and mismanagement and their alliance with China being double crossed. And so that order was already being collapsed by them. And Trump's coming in very pragmatically with a good, fair, freedom-based meritocracy, competition-based system.

But to people that want to talk about destabilization, starting a war with Russia, total destabilization, dissolving the borders and all the human smuggling and the fentanyl, total destabilization, engaging all this overspending and the country basically being bankrupt if we don't go our way out of it, total destabilization. And then wink, wink, the attempted assassinations of Trump. What do they think would have happened if Trump really would have gotten killed in Pennsylvania in July of last year or a few months later in Florida? If you look at the scenarios there, they run from bad to worse.

So the real destabilization- And bad for the people behind it. Like, clearly those assassinations were not lone gunmen. They were part of a much, much larger conspiracy, obviously. Everyone knows that. But those people behind those attempted murders would have been in bigger trouble had those murders succeeded attempted murder succeeded, correct? Absolutely, and okay money's able to kill Trump now people better hope he doesn't get struck by a bolt of lightning because the bad guys will get the blame and

That's why so many people that have kind of been on the fence the establishment But we're working with the globalists because that was the system are enthusiastically joining Trump and Elon Because they understand that this is the only game in town for people that aren't delusional Oh that sounds kind of mafia like hmm So you can say a lot of stuff about Trump and make up plenty of reasons to support him if you want but claiming that He's stabilizing as a force that does not work. It's interesting that Tucker has concluded that the assassination attempts were elaborate

globalist conspiracies because that definitely hasn't been proven. He gets around the need for proof with that, come on, it's obvious. That act, but that's fucking full of shit. You see this mirrored and celebrated with Alex where he's saying that the globalists better hope that Trump doesn't get struck by lightning Because they'll end up getting blamed if the globalists get blamed for Trump getting struck by lightning Then the people have been fooled and they're not operating off of any kind of solid information base And that is what Alex is pumped about

He's helped rot the information economy so bad that a lot of people operate off conclusions now, and they're willing to accept any explanation for why things are happening if they adhere to the conclusions that they already have. The globalists will want to kill Trump as a tenant of the far-right faith now, so if Trump dies, then people will be willing to accept any explanation of his death that adheres to that tenet of their faith. If he has a heart attack, the people will still blame the globalists. This is not working off reality. In essence, Alex and Tucker are relishing the fact that they live in a completely malleable

and fake information economy where nothing they say really matters, so long as it's in service of their narrative. If you understand what they're saying properly, Alex saying that people will blame the globalists if Trump gets struck by lightning is a serious insult about the people listening's critical thinking skills, and he's kind of mocking them. You'll believe anything I say as long as it works for what you want to believe. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what's interesting is I think one of the underlying assumptions that I never really examined too often is that Tucker is assuming that they want to get away with it You know, like he's assuming if you are doing something you want to get if you are doing a crime You want to get away with said crime so that nobody can post pin it on you as opposed to being like Like I'm willing to die for this, you know, like the what's his? Wilhelm right like those guys had Tuberculosis and cyanide pills like the idea was not we're gonna make it through this in and we'll sneak away and get away with it Like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's going out on this one is the point. You know, well, yeah, yeah, it's it's going out on this one is the point You know well, yeah

I think that that's that kind of intersects with like the Weirdness of how that hit my ears with him being like things would have been worse for the assassins Yeah, if they succeeded like that guy died Died the reason I do this is as death Well, but how could it have been any worse for him, right? And this is where the disparity in realities work. Because when you say the people behind it, we don't even agree on who is behind it.

Like, yeah, obviously. What are you talking about? Things would be worse for the people behind? Then kill them or something. I don't know. Sure. What are you talking about? Things be worse mm-hmm Jesus Christ yeah I I can't I can't believe how trivially they're dealing with what they imagine to be a demonic

cabal that tried to kill their president yeah like I don't understand it's their real chill about it. Yeah. Oh well Well, all right. So something else that Alex is chill about is his legal issues sure You could say that he was sued for defaming and harassing and profiting off of that doesn't sound fundraising the Based on the harassment if that were true of things would be different victims of a tragedy Or he's fighting the government I want to do that one sounds right So it just so happens that Alex just got some pretty bad news. Oh, yeah, the government's after him. Yeah

So in a way, it's fortuitous that I'm here today Because you were here I was talking to my lawyer right before we started taping We got some really big news that in Connecticut the Supreme Court I said we're not even hearing your appeal now because it was so strong the kangaroo show trial too strong through there a few years ago where the judge already found me guilty wouldn't let it be of what of having an old for Fox being sakes or whatever those are illegal under the US Constitution like you cannot be punished for giving your opinion I don't care how ugly other people think it is.

And you've contested whether you even gave that opinion. It doesn't matter. Under our system, you're allowed to say what you think, period. Well, you're right. Especially— That's what the Bill of Rights is. And we have the Supreme Court rulings with the New York Times Sullivan. Insane.

So yeah, we got some bad news for Alex. The Connecticut Supreme Court is not gonna hear his case that he lost. And then he appealed, and the appeals court agreed with the lower court's ruling. And then now he tried to appeal it to the Supreme Court and they're not interested. So I guess he's got the US Supreme Court,

but I don't think that's gonna work either. I don't think they're gonna want to meddle into this. So yeah, he's fucked. He's straight fucked Well for I mean like he in as much as anyone who's really rich Who tries to avoid consequences can ever be truly fucked right this isn't going anywhere is what I'm saying sure That 900 million or whatever in Connecticut right is on it. He's on him I just refuse to believe that this is, you know, like I've just let it all go. He faces no actual, so that's fine.

Like I've just let it go. It's hard at this point to ever be like, ah, it's coming around the road. Don't even care anymore. But I think we can all acknowledge that this is not the news he wanted. Right, right. Not yet. I think he would have liked to go to the Connecticut Supreme Court and do some PR things outside the courthouse. Yeah, everybody wants to hit a 95-yard Hail Mary. It's not always going to happen, but hey, if it does, it's the best day of your life.

So Alex, obviously, I think half of this show was supposed to be about how he's a prophet, and then the other half was supposed to be about lying about this Andy Hook case. Great. And so the fact that he lost or the Supreme Court rejected his case is kind of fortuitous. That is nice. That gives him something to talk about. Yeah. It leads them easily into lying about what that was all about.

Great. And what they did was, with all these PR firms and massive thousands of articles, sometimes a month and hundreds of TV programs a year, they built a straw man once I was censored off the internet in the last seven years. I'm still on my website, infulworks.com, still on some talk radio, but it was the verboten thing. People had to go, you know, get underground. They could then build a straw man of things I had supposedly done I never did. And then when I wasn't defended other than people like you,

it set the precedent to then come after everybody else including President Trump when he was taking off everything on January 6 so people couldn't hear him saying be peaceful before I defended black Nationalists who hate whites obviously don't agree with them. I am white. It's one of my kids Like I reject their program But they were indicted for giving their opinions and like we cannot allow that and now the ACLU is just completely captures like a tranny organization Nothing to do with free speech like where are the people who will stand up for the foundational? Right that separates a free man from a slave Which is the right to say what you think and why were they also may they bask in shame for not defending you?

I mean that well, I have a major update in the last seven years of them suing me and this whole saga, we now have basically all the pieces of exactly what happened. I told you some about it last night. It would take a few minutes, but I could just give people a basic summation of what's happened. Yeah, please. But first, just an example of free speech. In Texas, there's famous cases where they take people's small children because the school secretly convinces them with grant money, they get paid for it, public and private.

A little boy's really a girl, a little girl's really a boy. Let me prime you first. And the parents find out the school's been putting them in a database, giving them a social worker, sending them to special school times with peer pressure of other kids that have been put in the cult for sterilization, transhumanism. So yeah, I mean, that's exactly right.

Your response is exactly right. Alex is like, my case is gonna be thin here and I'm gonna need to get y'all excited. So I'm gonna do some transphobia here and get everyone on board. In the right mood, I look like I have a strong case. But if you're in the wrong mood, boy, it does not look good for me.

Yeah, and the uniting glue that we all have here on this extreme right wing shithead media sphere is that we all really are mad about trans people. Fun. All right. So he just does his normal. Just regular. Just the spiel about his case.

Right. All of the talking. We've heard him tell Tucker all these things. God, I would give so much to never have to hear this exact same case. I've heard it before a courtroom, during and inside a courtroom, and then inexplicably after many times more courtrooms and then somehow inexplicably still more outside of these courtrooms. Yeah. So we're not going to listen to the classic retelling

that we've heard over and over and over again. It'd be nice. All that much, except where necessary to get some of Tucker's responses. So we're not going to listen to the classic retelling that we've heard over and over and over again. It would be nice. All that much, except where necessary to get some of Tucker's responses. Great. I'm given 20 plus things I can't talk about. My lawyers are sanctioned if they try to raise that. Well, where did Alex Jones say this?

Where did he do this? No evidence could be showed to counter them. They could just say whatever they wanted to. And then they have a billion and a half dollar judgment in Connecticut. They have a $50 million judgment total or $49 million in Texas. Because I've already found guilty. Then the judge tells them to say how guilty I am. They lie and totally exaggerate all the money I have. Say I got it from these people with no evidence. And so I knew I was being railroaded for my speech. They said in the Connecticut trial and in the Texas show trial and on the court out steps, we don't want money from Mr. Jones. We want to shut him down. They said that in

court filing. So I go into bankruptcy because I'm out of money personally, never had all this money. They said not even a fraction of it. And so for three years I'm in bankruptcy and they keep going and say, we don't want money. We want him closed. The judge keeps saying, no, you have to actually, you know, do a settlement with him or we have to sell him for wars This is all because you said something that other people said they were offended by yes, but but but but how can you? I don't understand in a free country how other people being offended by what you say Can have you destroyed by the state? Well, well, it's more than that. They said I sent people to their houses, I peed on graves, all this stuff that nobody did.

Why weren't you arrested? You can't pee on a grave. Why weren't you arrested? I've never been to Connecticut. Why weren't you arrested for peeing on the grave? Out of the people that sued me, I only said the name of one of the people ever. If you commit a crime, you should be criminally charged for it

and the state has to prove that you did it, at which point you're convicted and punished. If the state accuses you of something but doesn't charge you with it, they're fucking liars. So Tucker is getting mad about a fake version of Alex's case because he has two really false premises that he's working with. The first is that the government sued Alex and the second is that he was sued because he offended someone. Neither of these things are true, but if you pretend that the government sued Alex because he offended someone, it's really easy to champion his cause as some kind of a free speech thing,

which is why they're doing this dumb bullshit. These dicks can't make any of their arguments on the merits, so they just create these fake versions of what happened to get mad about and make themselves the victim of everything. Fuck you. Fuck this nonsense. And does Tucker not understand civil courts? Like, what is he talking about? I don't even know. This, Alex isn't going to get indicted for this. What the fuck are you talking about? My thought whenever I heard him talk was I got rid of all the content of what he was saying. Otherwise that would drive me insane

You just listen to tones. I was in my head. I was like I'm in I Here's a fantasy. I've got I was owning. I'm owning a bar in this fantasy. I'm also the bartender very small bar And then this guy is just in here just fucking talking. Just talking. And it's like eventually everybody there goes, you can no longer be in this bar sir. And he's like, ah, free country. But then we all grab him and just move him outside of the bar.

I feel like that's a reasonable response to Tucker. Everybody get together and move him outside the bar. That's it. Get out of here. Shoo. Shoo. This is unacceptable. Shoo! You are so bad and so transparently malicious. This is bullshit. I need a broom for you.

So he has, as Tucker introduced at the beginning of the show, his theory that he's operating off of, and the reason why half of the show's supposed to be about Alex being a prophet, and then the other half was supposed to be about this Andy Hook case and how he's been wronged, is because Tucker's theory is that Alex predicted 9-11, and this is the culmination of the government trying to punish him for that. That's the premise that Tucker is trying to put forth.

Okay. So, an adult male human being in the year of our Lord 2025 has decided that a real prophet predicted 9-11. Yeah, the only person who did because of magic. And then multiple governments throughout that time period have been Putting together a very slow plan regardless of their partisan status that would eventually

25 years later culminate in the Moderate lessening of his quality of life. Yeah, and I think the real fundamental thing was him getting kicked off social media. Yep. Like, that's really the consequence that he faced, and most of that's been undone. Boy. What a world. Yeah, no, I mean, when you put it that way, it's kind of stupid.

It doesn't sound great. No. No. You gotta be in the right mood, though. If it's in the right mood, it sounds pretty good. Yeah, I guess. So anyway, he talks about how Alex has been great. No. No. You've got to be in the right mood though. If it's in the right mood, it sounds pretty good. Yeah, I guess. So anyway, he talks about how Alex has been punished.

Okay. And then right after they win, the jury's fine for all this money, they come back and they say, that's not enough, Your Honor. We want 2.75 trillion. That's the GDP of India. People don't believe that. It's type in Alex Jones, Sandy Hook, 2.75 trillion. And so the judge said, no, you just get 1.5 billion. In retrospect, did you ever think when they awarded a judgment

against you equivalent to the GDP of India, did you ever think like, maybe I should keep my visions to myself and not like next time I see 9-11 coming, I just shouldn't say anything because people who predict the future accurately are always punished for it. I think that's, I mean, yeah, I mean, well, what I realized was I've got something important to say so I better say it even louder because the evil wants this shut down. But clearly, to finish the key part, I'm sorry, sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're just making me upset hearing this. So upset.

I think that Alex's behavior around Sandy Hook and if you look at what he actually did, his behaviors, I think it's so indefensible that the only way that Tucker can swing this is pretend that it's connected to 9-11, and Alex predicting it. That makes sense. I think this is legitimately the only way he can make that behavior excusable, and it's pathetic. It is, whoo.

Cause like, he's talking about how Alex is being punished for sharing his visions. Did he share his visions about Sandy Hook? Is Tucker trying to defend Alex's prescience there? Or is that just a big whoopsie where the prophet completely missed the mark and ended up leading the charge on terrorizing grieving families?

Po buddy's nerfect. No, no, you can't, you know, the profit, the profit's sometimes wrong. The worst. It's pathetic behavior. I just think they should be deeply ashamed. Yeah, I mean, it is, and it's one of the things that I hated so much about the coverage during the trial, the coverage now, and then the assumption that everybody has of like, well, in bankruptcy

and appeals and all this stuff, the judgment's going to go down and it's not really the amount of money. Because what is so important about the judgment is that 14 regular ass people were explained in very exhausting detail what this man did. 14 people went fuck that guy one and a half billion dollars. That's you. That's what all of us would say. That's the thing about the jury trial and that's what I wanted the coverage to be is about like if you had sat through this trial you would go fuck that guy to the tune of one and a half billion dollars.

But also I think that you have a passion that you're describing fuck this guy with that the jurors did not have it is not a fuck this guy sure is this is probably the only consequence that's commensurate to what he did right he is incapable of change he is on air during this trial defaming these people again, talking shit and trying to antagonize the judge. He will not change his behavior in a way that he very desperately needs to change his behavior because it hurts people.

And yeah, impartial jurors heard the cases and that is what they decided. Yeah, I mean, it could not be more like, hey, it's illegal for us to say Stop this man with like like we're in a movie stop that man like but that's what we're trying to say through this money Yeah, the money means somebody stop him. Yeah, we're here. We will not stop. We're trying to stop him This is the best way we have to stop him. Now-hmm Now it's your job and everybody fumbled that fucking ball hard. Yeah because of freedom. Yep, so I I think that Man just shit. So Tucker and Alex talk about how

The government's doing this to him and it's all the government they did it because he predicted 9-eleven or something government And then get ready for another sneaky ad break in here. Great stuff. Then when they win the show trial that was already fixed, these PR firms come out of New York and Connecticut and go, we've been doing this for years. We exposed Jones. We did this. We helped get this big win, blah, blah, blah. Then this undercover video comes out that is in a predator sexting trolling operation in DC, which the guy was never implicated in, but that's how he got caught up in the troll trolling operation.

This Oblevis person, CIA and FBI, it's confirmed, says, well, we investigated Alex Jones for years at the FBI, then he went on to CIA, that's where he's currently, and he said we couldn't find anything criminal on him, so we went to the Sandy Hook people with law firms and we developed this plan with this narrative to take him down. And now we're in the process of shutting him down and the person says, well, are you still trying to put him in prison? No, we've just destroyed his name and destroyed who he is. It's all on video. It's online. Just type in FBI CIA agent, you know, admits to running Sandy Hook, frame job of Alex Jones.

We recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is enjoy and out. Wow. Wow. Just to kind of refresh our baseline assumptions here, is the CIA allowed to destroy people for in the United States? That's unreal. That did not just happen. Oh, it happened.

What the fuck was that? That was Alex Jonesian. Except it's not. Alex is smoother. That was... Yeah. That's... this is smoother. That was... Yeah. That's- this is bad. That was bad.

Yeah. Selling his tobacco pouches. That aren't woke. It makes me long for the day- like I long for the openness of the like Right after this! And now first! A long drag of this American cigarette will enjoy you! Like our first episode of The Cat had the Winston's yes absolutely you by Winston just fucking goddamn man I think that this is tacky and gross Alex is very clearly slandering this guy yeah and accusing him of being caught in a Pedophile sting operation and then saying that he admitted to planning the Sandy Hook hit job on Alex

Yep, this is I would sue this shit out of him if I were this guy just on principle why not? But then we then just a weird out of nowhere Pouch the pouch tobacco ad if it now See now here's the other thing if I'm if I'm doing this They've just given me an idea for the greatest only fans ad breaks. That's ever been Do what I'm doing right about now and enjoy Melissa I think that Tucker is really channeling Alex in the making noises

Yeah, I think Alex is has rubbed off on him a little that you could just make noises and people enjoy it. Yeah. So, I think in order to defend any of the shit that Tucker is trying to defend and to prop up this stupid theory that Alex predicted 9-11 has been punished ever since for being a vision prophet guy, you need to create fake versions of the criticism that's leveled at Alex. And so Tucker does that here. All of this stems from a school shooting in Connecticut.

Twelve years ago. Twelve years ago. And you suggested on air that there was something weird about this. I covered other people saying that. Correct. You did not commit the school shooting. No. Adam Lanza did. Adam Lanza did. And I said for years, I believe it happened before they sued me. Right.

So we spent approximately zero time and zero money as a country trying to figure out why would Adam Lanza murder all these children. We're all against murdering children. Some of us are against murdering all children, including in foreign countries and here in abortion clinics, we're just against murdering kids. So I'm not going to cede the moral high ground on kids to ghouls like this. So okay, but we have no idea why Adam Landz did this. No one's trying to find out.

You instead are being blamed, or the father of four kids, for the murder of all these kids when you had literally nothing to do with the murder at all. And the actual murderer is probably brain fried an SSRIs or whatever the cause. Like no one cares. That's right He was on SS our eyes like almost all of them and exactly and here's the finale But like no one cares. It's like all these people jump up and down including some of these parents I assume and like I understand they're upset their kids are murdered. I mean I Would say that the end of that clip is generous to call an unforced error on Tucker's part really being a total asshole.

Wow. Yeah, I think that if you pretend that people think Alex did the shooting, then yeah, man, that's not right. He shouldn't like people shouldn't think that because he didn't and no one thinks he did. I also think it's kind of stupid to say that no one thinks, or no one cares about why Adam Lanza carried out the shoot. I think people care a great deal

and people spent a lot of time wrestling with that and trying to figure that this is disgusting Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to focus I'm trying to fuck you got to stay in the pocket that this shit because this is clearly like This is for this is for us man. This is for us to like oh I'm so mad that he would say this nonsense because then we've wasted our time listening to him talk about it and then feeling things About it. He doesn't even believe those words. He doesn't even he doesn't even know what he's saying. He's like a minor bird He's just mimicking what humans sound like

Yeah There's there's legitimately no way for him to have engaged with any of the content and any of the stuff that has happened Yeah, and come away with these Conclusions. Yeah, I think that there is a version of an argument that you can make that Alex was over-punished for something. You could make that argument. You could say that he was persecuted more than lying about these people

and directing the harassment the way that he did deserves I think you could say that right you can't say this stuff if you have any awareness of anything that has happened this is just you don't care if you made the argument I would ask politely for you to leave my bar mm-hmm if you said shit like this you're getting tossed out of that bar. And I think that's fair. Yup. Yup. So, Tucker lays out his thesis, which is that you predicted 9-11 and now you're being punished for it.

Makes sense. And I just, the title of this clip is, this guy is profoundly stupid. The point is, is now to, last night, the Connecticut Supreme Court said we're not even gonna hear your appeal and which is ironclad, abusive process, all ironclad. Texas, the judge violated three laws cut and dry. I mean the cap is at five million dollars. She said I don't care about the Texas cap. I'm doing 45. The change was 49. They just don't care. And it's the same in all of this

lawfare, just like a judge found from... You never did anything. You never broke any laws. They would have indicted you. Like this is all so hallucinogenic. It's so crazy. Well imagine it's like it's like I'm their chew toy and they just chew on me. But your crime... Look, I just want to refer you to the very first moments of this conversation when I pointed out once again for the hundredth time you called 9-eleven in detail before 9-eleven So that is like it just from my perspective as an outsider and somebody knows you that's like the defining fact of your life That's the first sentence of your obituary. No one did that only you That fact I think is responsible for everything that has come after. Well, just exactly.

So dumb. Just so dumb. That's the first line of Tucker's obituary. Yeah. Believed Alex wholeheartedly. I think that every guest that he has on his show should have to be asked about what they think about Tucker believing this. Yep.

I think it would be embarrassing. I think you'd end up with a... This should be, yeah. Tucker's show should just now, from now on, be about trying to indoctrinate people to the cult of Alex. Yeah. He's a prophet. Don't you understand? There's so many things that Alex does that are like preemptive arguments against what are so obviously his own

faults. Like, by delegitimize by like being people have no memories by delegitimizing that as a concept of things to say about other people. You leave open this shit where it's like, the reason that Tucker is allowed to get away with this is because people have forgotten tomorrow that all of this happened. Yep. People have no tomorrow that all of this happened. People have no memories. It's not what Alex means.

It means that nobody is going like Tucker until you answer for this thing that you did. We go no further. You know? It's just never going to happen. You said you were attacked by a demon. We go no further until you tell me the name of said demon. What have you done to look into demonology since then? Are you working on like protecting your family from demons? Do we have products already available about demons? If I got attacked by a demon, I wouldn't be hanging

out with Alex Jones. I'd be hanging out with witches. I would be hanging out with- It's all real! with witches I would be hanging out with... It's all real! If I got attacked by a thing that other people believe to be fictional, the next thing that would happen is everything in my life would be about how that fictional thing is real! Yeah, I'm the witcher. Yeah, absolutely! The whole thing is real now! If I'm Tucker, I always have a sword that I have blessed or something I'm carrying around

holy water like I'm one of the Belmonts if I'm attacked by a demon right I don't care if you believe or don't believe I'm busy fighting demons now yeah and I think that maybe that is a part of the unearned confidence that he has yeah with like Trying to defend Alex is like Alex is on my side against those demons That's part of it wild. These guys are fucking dumb man. I think they both killed gene hack Shockingly doesn't come up Saving that's so important to his prophet story. It should be

We're gonna been so Alex talks here about how he's The bug the ant in bugs life He's the answer but the one there where they're like if one bug stands up Yeah, and all the rest of the bugs will stand up. Oh, yeah, yeah, Tucker's like that's great Alex Jones's head on the wall as a Symbol to scare everybody else. I mean they said that in the courthouses and on the wall as a symbol to scare everybody else. They said that in the courthouses and on the courthouse steps. They said, send a message to everybody else, these patients zero. We're going to take him off here and destroy him and we're going to scare every one of

these other Americans to keep them. Literally, it's like in Bugs Life when the head grasshopper says, yeah, we got all this grain. Why are we going to go beat up the ants because one little ant stood up. He goes, yeah, one little grain, doesn't hurt. But he goes, but if they all stand up and he pulls it and it floods them, he goes, if those little puny ants

outnumber us 100 to one, and if they ever figure that out, it's over for us. That's why we're going back to kill that ant. That's exactly right. That's it, so I'm just the ant in Bug's life. You are, but it hasn't worked, and so I wanna make a prediction because I just want to be on tape saying this. I'm going to say it again even more clearly this time.

And of course, I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But I do think a lot of the really crazy, bitter ethnic hate that you see on social media is fake. People were saying it don't mean it. I think it's like the Klansmen you'd see marching and you're like, there are no Klansmen. And you're like, what?

And of course you find out that it's all, it's fake. And it's designed to convince people that there's like a lot of roiling ethnic hatred that doesn't really exist. And that's a predicate to shame. Patriot front. Exactly. It's Charlottesville. But that's happening online right now.

And I know that it is. And I think that at some point I pray I'm wrong, but there's gonna be an act of violence, ethnic inspired violence, of hate inspired violence, actual hate, like killing people. And I really hope I'm wrong, but I feel like this is real. And that that event will be used to shut down free speech on social media.

I 100. Because that is the threat. And you saw with TikTok, like, oh, we need to ban TikTok. China owns it. Nothing to do with China. It had everything to do with opinions that the people in charge didn't like being expressed there. And it's like, we're just going to,

and the Congress went along with it. But if there's an act of violence, and innocents are murdered, and I pray that doesn't happen, because I hate that above all, but it has happened, and I feel like it could happen again. people say and a lot of good people will go along with it Just like they went along with the censorship of you and the destruction of your life Or like how you supported the Iraq war you dipshit Dan I am getting dangerously close to invoking the angel of death. Yeah, I think I'm going to

Talk to my pastor because I'm listening to that. I am dangerously close up for praying for bad things Fuck what fuck that's outrageous But also it's fascinating how Tucker's convinced that all this racial hatred like the clan members or white supremacist It's all fake, but he thinks that Russia is hated because they're a white Christian country It's strange how the racism expressed by white people is fake fake, but he thinks that Russia is hated because they're a white Christian country. It's strange how the racism expressed by white people is fake, but the racism he imagines is directed towards white people is the biggest problem in the world. Strange how that works.

It seems convenient to you, but that's just because you're not a deep thinker. Right. See, otherwise, because if it wasn't that way, then maybe, so think about it this way. His show is generally about white genocide. All of this stuff is based on these fears that they have about replacement and shit. But I mean, think about it. Think about if all the racism that white people give is real

and all of the racism that he says white people receive is actually fake. Well then white people historically came over and like murdered a bunch of people and then stole their shit. Hmm. That doesn't happen. See, there you go! Yeah. I just, I find, I think, you know, like you're saying, like you're not a deep thinker and what I think is that this is fucking baby shit.

Yep. This is children's television. It is for Awful people it is it is like Sometimes it does feel like hey, I don't even want to address you. Mm-hmm grow up. Yeah, then we can talk grow up or Get out of my fucking bar Can't drink here we're trying to have a good time can't drink here. Yeah, you can drink other places. You don't get it man Get out of my bar. So Anyway, what an appearance. Oh, I think these guys come off as real pieces of shit, and I think they're stupid

But also I think this is boring. I think this was There was an electricity to the other times that Tucker and Alex have gone up against each other or done a show together. And I think that it's a miscommunication of Tucker really wanting this premise to be pushed. Which is you are a prophet, you predicted 9-11, and now all of the bad things that people think about you is because the devil is trying to punish you for trying to save humanity from 9-eleven Let me tell you this right that sounds crazy

Second thing that's crazy Tucker did not feel that he needed to give Alex that context that he thought Alex would Bring this insane plan mm-hmm this insane idea think he thought Alex would go with it. Spring this insane plan, this insane idea on Alex, and Alex would be like, absolutely. Now, this should really be insulting to Alex. Yes.

Because you were assumed to be so dumb that you'd be like, well, obviously the CIA did this because I predicted 9-11. Right. I think that Tucker was aware, at least on some level with Kraft, that this is the best way to present this person. Probably.

This is the way that they will come out looking the best, the way that I can use them in the future to the greatest benefit. And I think that he assumed that Alex would get it and his narcissism would be stroked by these things and Tucker would be able to walk him through it. Now unfortunately, Alex, I guess was in the mood to be taken seriously. And I think that there's the false modesty that he's expressing with the, oh, little old me, I didn't, God didn't choose me to fight the devil, little old, he's trying not to come off as conceited or something

to Tucker's audience, not realizing that that ruins the game that they're supposed to be playing. And that's fun, kind of. It would be nice if they just have a sit down beforehand and Tucker's like, hey, whatever I say, I am trying to pin all consequences on your success, thus ratifying consequences as a measure of success. Let me use you.

Putting those two together means that you will be safe. And Alex was like, I do not understand that at all. Not even a little bit. Yeah. And because he kind of didn't play along with the premise, the conclusion ends up kind of, it just looks stupid, and I think they wasted an interview. Yep. Anyway, we'll be back and check in

and see what else is going on in Alex's stupid fucking world. But until then, we have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I am the Mysterious Professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robot. Andy and Chanzas, you're on the air.

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