Knowledge Fight - #1028: Mystery Babylon #2

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan continue to ignore Alex because he failed to save Gene Hackman, as they seek to make sense of Bill Cooper's historically important Mystery Babylon series.

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Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are, Dan. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're gonna do it's like sit around Where's but the altar is lean and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today Jordan is the uh-huh

We've gotten some packages from some folks. We have full of candy and on sense And I just wanted to give a give a little bit of thanks to some of those folks who we've And I just wanted to give a give a little bit of thanks to some of those folks who we've Maybe lost track of a little bit right but a lot of good candies coming in a lot of shit also But I think they know that I think it's on purpose. I think some of them are trying to fuck with me a little bit There's a little bit gummy fettuccine and all this nonsense sure, but there's you know hey I I'll take I'll take all entrants. Open challenge. Sure, yeah, absolutely.

So thank you to Jason and Cassandra of Tacoma. Thank you Mary Lou, Reno, and Ian. Also Ashley, Nathan, Mochi, Wasabi, Azuki, Suba, Pixel, Penny, Papura, and Pow. Thank you all. I've not eaten all of the candy yet Azuki, Soba, Pixel, Penny, Papura, and Pau. Yep. Thank you all. I've not eaten all of the candy yet because it's actually a comical amount.

It is. That I've gotten of gummies and various things, but I love it. Also, we've got another thing, a nice comic of the cat. Oh yes, that's right. From Eric. So thank you to Eric for that I actually

have that at the shop getting framed nice right now nice comic book of the 1960s Robert Loja TV show that we're watching the cat the cat I didn't know there was a comic book of that no I'm excited to get that put it on the wall stare at Loja's face all day yeah it, it's always nice. It's always nice to see the young, sexy Loja. Yeah, yeah. So thank you all for those wonderful things that came in the Zip Mailbag. Yes, thank you very much. What's your bright spot? My bright spot is tomorrow night, or tonight probably when you're listening to this, my wife and I are going to the first Cubs game of the year for us, and for us together

the first Cubs game we've ever been to together. Let's go Cubs. Yeah, pretty excited about that. Go Cubs go. Ah, so it's going to be a nice little day night. Who are they playing? Uh, Dodgers. Sorry in advance.

Uh. You're going to lose. Uh, oh yeah, no. Well we're going not for the Cubs. We're going for Shohei Otani. I don't know if you remember that guy. I do. Uh, yeah.

I do, but I know that you're also a longtime Cubs fan Well, actually the Cubs are the Cubs might actually be good this year. I've Said that I want to say for about 78 percent of my life, right? Right, it's been correct one time in 2016. Yes. Yes, but they might actually be pretty good this year I feel like at least at the beginning of the season a lot of people have that that hope right a lot of a lot of Especially classically bad teams have that we might be good this year sure until you hit that wall and you're like, oh no We suck. Well, they've got they've got some good people. They've got Kyle Tucker. He's hitting like a beast right out the gate They've got some good pitching

Justin Steele just went down though. So that's not great. But you know what that's it's a long season. Mm-hmm Who knows it's a possibly too long of a season It's probably probably too long of a season for all of those people to make it through shorten it up. Yeah Yeah, so well, I hope you have a great time. You're gonna get a hot dog Uh peanuts peanuts, you know about crackerjacks never no, uhlled peanuts my man hmm. That's the way to do it all right ballgame I like a hot dog. I respect that okay. I respect as long as there's respect There's full respect for the hot dog so Jordan today. We have an episode to go over okay, and I have decided We are staying away from Alex still because my birthday is not coming gone yet

And so I am continuing with mystery Babylon Of course we are doing mystery Babylon part two to try and figure out what the fuck is bill cooper talking about is the mystery What what is the mystery who is this religion? How does this connect to the present? Yeah from the last episode? I feel like we don't really have many answers other than the sun is God or Jesus. And then some words sound similar and aren't actually connected, but Bill thinks they are. So we'll see if it develops deeper than that. Might not.

I strongly doubt it. You think so? You're going in without the optimism of the early season for the Cubs? Low expectations means low bar to cross over. Alright. I'm rooting for everybody including Bill Cooper apparently. Well, we'll see what happens. But first, before we get to that, let's take a little time to say hello to some of the

Wonks. That's a great idea. So first, how many policies could a policy wonk wonk if a policy wonk could wonk policies? Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. You can't trip me up. No.

I'm too good at these tongue twisters. Can't. Next, dear Mike Adams, I'm too busy being a lesbian to open up a fire hydrant because my wife is actually satisfied in the bedroom. Sincerely, the lesbian firefighter of your nightmares. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And happy to share my hate of Alex Jones with you of your nightmares. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much! Thank you! And happy to share my hate of Alex Jones with you, Fuzzy. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you.

And we got a technocrat in the mixture. So thank you so much to Elon Dick Sweeney. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. Technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy shark! Bomp, bomp, bomp, b a bucket of poop. Daddy shark, bom bom bom bom bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Technocrat. Technocrat. You did.

I, I, I, I. Last minute safe. Mm-hmm. Like in baseball. Right. Whenever you catch the ball at the last minute. Mm-hmm. This is what it's called. Buzzer be-hmm like in baseball right whenever you catch the ball at the last minute mm-hmm This is what it's called buzzer beater like in baseball like in baseball So we start off here bill giving his opening

To lecture number two okay there aren't subtitles on these episodes But this one I would subtitle silly nonsense does he delineate like this is lecture to But this one I would subtitle, Silly Nonsense. Does he delineate like, this is lecture two, meaning that like I fully completed everything I wanted to do in lecture one. It is a series of broadcasts that he set out to do. So if he didn't, that's on him. Right.

No, I'm understanding that. I'm just wondering if he makes it clear like clear like okay now that I've finished lecture one Which we all understand pure clearly right now. We can go on to lecture two. I Think he might hope that's the case. I don't know. I don't know if it is okay, but he opens this show on a very serious note Okay, and Prophecies his own death okay because he's telling you these secrets Good evening folks and welcome once again to the hour of the time. I'm your host William Cooper. We continue Where we left off last Friday night, February the 12th

And I want to quickly reiterate that what you're going to hear does not necessarily reflect my beliefs or my religion or the beliefs of the staff or management of WWCR, Worldwide Christian Radio. What you are hearing, folks, is for the first time in history the public revelation of the origin, the history, the dogma, and the identity of those who operate in secret to bring about a worldwide totalitarian socialist government. They are known to Christians as Mystery Babylon. It is an ancient religion. Now, get a pencil and paper ready, because if you did not tape last Friday night's broadcast, or if you did not hear it,

you must order it. You must order it. You have to have this information. And if you have any possible way to tape tonight's broadcast, either tape it or order this tape. You can order studio quality tapes from us and I will give you that information later in this broadcast. Make sure, as always, that you have pencil and paper or pen and paper by your side at all times. You will want to write down important portions of this broadcast and you certainly will want to get our address and phone number and the price of the tapes. Those of you who are smart enough to know what is transpiring here know that these are historic broadcasts and by making these broadcasts, I have sealed my fate. Ha ha ha ha!

Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! Alright, well, that's fair. You gotta love it! That's fair, that's fair. Have gotta love it. That's fair. Yes. That's fair. No, have fun. Yeah. Have a little fun with life.

Yeah. I am going to be killed for this and I am breaking the chains of history by coming on the radio and telling you about my crazy bullshit. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Yeah, that's great. Well, that's like, I think Bill does this

more effectively than Alex, which is using these kinds of things like that fanfare to elevate the drama of what he's doing. It's closer to radio theater than Alex with his, you know, like the Imperial March. It really is. We've talked about it, like it comes back so quickly, the differences between, because I remember Bill Cooper episodes from literally 700 episodes ago that are immediately like oh, yeah, this guy knows when to hit a sting He just knows how to do it. Yeah, I think it's more of a like I wonder if I

Wonder if it's that like time is a commodity Mm-hmm, like he's on the radio for this slot. Sure. He cannot afford more time. Right. You know, like it's not something he has, uh, like unlimited amounts of. Whereas for Alex, he could just go on air as much as he wants. Like who gives a shit? Yeah. Like there is no preciousness to time. Whereas for Bill, it's like, I've got to dramatically say this and then hit the button in order to get the show as it is and fly in at the, like, I gotta be off air at this point. It does feel like the limitations of the form for him allow him to kind of like become good at things. And the lack of limitations, as always always has done Alex a massive disservice.

And let's just also not go too far. It's relatively good at it. He's not that great. Let's, let's, I mean, he's shortwave radio guy, you know? Yeah. And also I think, I think one of the like major things that I don't know if we talked about enough is that Bill was on WWCR and Alex eventually became on WWCR. So the worldwide Christian radio shortwave channel, I think that there's a lineage there. And maybe one of the reasons Bill hated Alex so much, one, Alex is a total liar and all that shit. But then two, he was in his spot. So anyway, we talked about the son being Jesus

on the last episode. We talk about that a little bit more. Folks, when we stop to realize that every single king, prince, lord, governor, dictator, despotic ruler, civil and social institution, national flag, coat of Lord, Governor, Dictator, Despotic Ruler, Civil and Social Institution, National Flag, Coat of Arms, Educational Institution, Military Medal, Award, Organizational Insignia, Medallion Badge, Emblem Citation, Trophy, Banner, Pendant, Political Standard, Our Ensign, Agency of Government, Our Religion, Usage of the the sun is a primary symbol, then it can truly be said in the mystery school that God's son is, quote,

king of kings and lord of lords, unquote. That's not really accurate though. All of those things are not, they don't all use the sun as a primary symbol. No. That just doesn't, I don't know, it doesn't make sense. A lot of golf trophies use a guy with a golf club as a primary symbol well That's just is Jesus of the mystery Is Jesus Jack Nicklaus well I was thinking about Jack

Oh Mm-hmm yeah, I think you can do it. I think you can do it. I think you can get to Jesus from Jackless Yeah from Jackless Jack Nicklaus So I think that maybe like medals and stuff he brought up metals. Sure. And I was like is that just because some of them are round? Right. And look like the sun?

I'm not sure I'm gonna give you points for that. Right. But also obviously the sun would be a pretty universal symbol because it's above all our fucking heads. It's in fact I would argue it's one of the most recognizable things out there Yeah, I would say almost everybody only because air is invisible. Yes. There is definitely that issue Yeah, the sun not for much longer is there invisible the sun is Known yeah, it's name rings out. It's it's relatable

So if that So if the, you know, Sun is God, then the Sun needs to be betrayed by Judas. Right. Who is a scorpion. Scorpio, the zodiac. Right. Holy shit. Cancer's the crab. Here we note another cleverly disguised part of the whole.

Cleverly? According to the mystery School, misunderstood and plagiarized story. For they believe that Christianity is a perversion of the mysteries, and that's why they hate Christians. In the ancient world, months were counted according to the phases of the moon. They were called the lunar months on the lunar calendar. Now since Scorpio, the scorpion, is the astrological sign starting in late October, the first month of autumn, it follows that October, the scorpion, with his deadly, backbiting tail Betrays the Sun in autumn leading directly to his death in winter and Is known what as Judas?

When that's where I'm told to whom prize come where I'm telling you right now that Barbara Honnaker was a client yeah, Barbara Honnaker was a plant And that's also where October's surprise comes from? You bet. From Judas the Scorpion. So the original October's surprise was Judas getting Jesus killed? Yeah, it was surprising. I mean, yeah, sure.

So Barbara Honiger was a whistleblower. She worked in the Reagan administration. She came across some information that indicated that George H.W. Bush had worked behind the scenes to make sure that the hostages taken by Iran were not released until after the election because the non-resolution of that problem hurt Jimmy Carter's chances of getting reelected. Yeah. She later published a book about what she'd found called the October Surprise.

And I guess that she was a secret cult plant in doing that in order to send some sort of a message about Scorpios and Judas. Okay. I don't know. This is thin. Okay, here's my question to you. So I'm here. Also, the sun doesn't die in the winter.

You can't prove that. I can see it in the winter still. Well, yeah, but I mean, you can see a dead body. Fair. Okay. So here I am. I'm glued to my radio, pen and pad, and I'm writing furiously down.

For what purpose, to use when? You know, like how we're both sort of playing blueprints Sure. right now? Yep. You know how sometimes you'll take down a note and you're like, this will help me solve the ultimate mystery. That's what they're doing.

They're writing down like, Scorpion, Judas, Barbara Honeger. When does this, where are you at the next time where you're like, oh, I can't wait to tell people about Scorpio and Barbara Honeger? I mean, it's not a fun party. This is the cocktail conversation. Yeah.

So the scorpion is Judas. Sure. And he betrayed Jesus, who is the sun, in order to bring in winter. And the 30 pieces of silver were, as the North American Indians would say, 30 moons of silver needed for the month to betray the sun and cause his unhappy death. In relation to this, another interesting point, factually speaking, when a person is bitten by a deadly scorpion, the wound appears to be, or looks like, two human lips. The ancients called this the kiss of death. This is why we read that Judas, our October,

gives God's son the kiss, leading to his death in winter. See it all checks out. Does it? No. The scorpion stings don't always look like two lips. Ancient people might have called getting stung by one some variation of a kiss of death but I don't think this is the root that Bill is making it out to be. Plus October has 31 days so shouldn't Judas have been given 31 pieces of silver if this was gonna match up? Like I hear what Bill's saying but it's not convincing at all. Also this only relates to the northern hemisphere. Yeah. Scorpio is a spring sign in the southern hemisphere So is this mystery only relevant for half of the world or what's the deal here? Because it doesn't work in the Southern Hemisphere. It is always

nice whenever the Babylonian mysteries reveal themselves to have been written by people who did not know that the earth was very very big. It's huge. Fucking huge man. Yeah, and Bill doesn't seem to think that's an issue. Why? Why would it be? If the earth is the size, no, of course it's an issue, I have no idea. The stars are different from different places, who knows?

Yeah. So I think that we can look at this and say this is stupid. And I think we can say like a lot of this is You know like a little convenient dot connectings You know a lot of this stuff seems like maybe on the surface these things are connected, but they're actually not But I owe everyone an apology. Oh, yeah, because I didn't realize how hard bill had worked on this. Oh, that's not good our research has been thorough and

We have managed to place members of Tadgy within the Masonic lodges and we have verified everything that we are telling you here now Have you? We have infiltrated The lodge. They've infiltrated the lodge They know that they're the Masons shit. I infiltrated the lodge one time. Did you? Yeah.

The Lincoln lodge? I was a kid. I went to the Masonic temple and they were like, Hello! And that was it. It was very kind. Did they offer to sell you a hat? No, but a bunch of old men played Magic the Gathering with me.

Sure. So that was nice. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I know that there's a lot of fun that people get out of Mason stuff, but it's I can't imagine that Bill and his buddies Infiltrated the Masons and and came away with a lot of like real great information. Yeah, that's just dumb It's it's they're just fucking with you. Yeah

On one level it's like I get it, you're having fun. Yeah. On another level, you think that you're going to be killed for revealing these secrets, and you're just having fun. If okay, here's what I don't, I can't imagine somebody being like, oh, this guy's figured out the 30 days in October is 30 pieces of silver. We're going to have to kill him.

You know? Like, you can have that one. That one's free. I'll even let you have all the made up bullshit about October you want. Yeah. No one's coming after you for this. No one's coming for you. No.

So what if, though, you reveal a bunch of secrets about Egypt? Oh, well, Egypt doesn't take shit lightly. No, certainly not. No they go hard. Well oftentimes through curses. Yeah oh yeah. Which we'll get to later. I imagine so. But first let's talk about some of the gods of Egypt. Okay. In Egypt God's risen son was Horus. At 12 noon he became the Most High. In this exalted position he became the mediator between God and man. His name was Amun-Ra. Ra equals Ray of the Sun.

His shepherds on earth were called Priests of Amun. They would direct their prayers to the invisible God, the Father, through his mediator. Amun-Ra. And God's Son was the great Amun with his rays. In the New Testament, he, the Son, is still called at 2 Corinthians, chapter 1, verse 20, and Revelation, chapter 1, verse 7, and Revelation, chapter 3, verse 14, the Amun. At the end of prayers in the temples of Egypt, they would say, Amun. Boo!

How does that grab you? No, not. It does not. It doesn't, yeah. It's not accurate. And the amen comes from the Hebrew word for truth. Sure. So if God is called the amen in the Hebrew text, it's truth.

Sure. And Amun-Ra is not the same as Horus. Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis, whereas Amun was part of the Ogdoad, the group of eight primordial entities, deities that... This is just mixing all kinds of shit up because you want to Connect them it feels to me a little bit like this, right? So it feels like he is opening up with each exploration into the into mystery Babylon With something along the lines of like just a reminder This is what they believe and then telling me an incredibly stupid story, right?

Am I supposed to be like, man, look at these idiots? Yeah, that's the dynamic that I have a really difficult time with because I think no self-respecting mystery cult would be this stupid. Yeah, it's dumb. Yeah. I think that there are glaring errors that are made by their supposed belief system. If this is their belief system, yes.

Yeah, I think that it's just a... I think what he's doing is trying to create a kind of ominous evil side. Right. But I think he does believe that... Here's the issue. Later we're going to talk about magic. Right. Of course we are. I think I think he does believe that they here's the issue later. We're gonna talk about magic, right? And of course we are let's revisit this idea once we get to that because that on that specific point

I think I think we get a little murky. Okay, okay And as it relates to like who the Egyptian gods are It's not as a consequential whether Bill believes this or he believes that someone else believes it. Yeah, that's fair Whereas with magic, I think it's gonna be a lot more relevant. It's very consequential if you or you don't, if you do or do not believe in magic. That's on you. Gotcha. And if you do, you'll always have a friend wearing big red shoes.

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What? It is the androgynous god And it's been in front of your eyes all the time all the time folks Anyone who goes to any library and does the research that we have done can reveal that the religion of Mystery Babylon is exactly as I have stated it last Friday night and

during this broadcast and will continue to state it because there is a lot more, folks. We have, in fact, not even yet begun. Certainly feels like it. I don't know what we've accomplished. Also this is not the etymology of the name Israel. Hebrew scholars have a few different interpretations on where the name Israel comes from, both as a name for an individual person as well as the name denoting the Israelites. The L part is fairly well agreed upon to mean God, but past that

there are a couple ways that people look at it. In Genesis 32, Jacob wrestles with an angel. Quote, so Jacob was left alone and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. And the man said, let me go for it is daybreak. But Jacob replied, I will not let you go unless you bless me. The man asked him, What is your name? Jacob, he answered. Then the man said, Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome. In this understanding,

the name means one who has struggled with God. Sure. You know, one who has, uh, who carries God. Okay. There are other interpretations that mean something closer to like God is in charge, but no one who's serious about this subject thinks that Israel is a combination of ISIS, raw and L. This is really dumb. Uh, okay. I gotcha. Okay. So is, is, to be is, alright, Ra, Sun God Ra, El Kabang. So is Ra El Kabang? And then over time, Kabang has been taken off for obvious reasons. Sure. Privity.

Yeah, of course. So that's where it comes from. The Looney Tunes. Well, this, I mean, obviously this raises an important question. Yeah, what's the definition of is? mmm, no, Glenn asked us and I don't think we have a Mystery Babylon there we go Barbara Hanukkah I love I love throwing in a very specific very time-sensitive name to the ancient mystery Babylon religion. She was a cult front.

Several thousand years ago. Right, but I think you see Alex do that too. I think that's one of the things that this tradition, like they hyper-presentize some of the concerns that are supposed to be about like thousands of years of occult history. Yeah. Four thousands of years people have prophesied that Barbara Honniger was gonna be like I gotcha That's it. Okay, and it's all revealed by this Netflix movie Whatever dude fair enough so Bill talks about his allegiances. Okay, and this bills particular allegiances. Yes Okay, yeah, he has three of them. I

Firmly believe and I live my life according to this That I'm all my first allegiance to my God Sure Jesus Christ, of course my second allegiance I owe to the Constitution of the United States of America doesn't make third allegiance to my family And what reason my allegiance is that in that order is because God endowed man with unalienable rights. The Constitution protects those rights and the family is thus able to survive and be protected and thrive. And the family is the basic unit of civilization.

Period. And I further believe that any man or woman without principles that they are ready and willing to die for at any given moment that they are called upon to do it, are already dead and are of no use are consequence to anyone not even themselves Understand what I just said damn that is cold Yeah, that is cold so that's great And I'm happy for bill having his allegiance is all sorted out like that But the conception he's laid out makes him a sheeple just like the people he derides all the time

Mm-hmm the persona that he takes on this character that he plays to the audience that he's preaching to is the guy who? Researches and follows the truth as it exists not as he wants it to be But the allegiances he has can't allow him to be that it's inherently an act because his first allegiance isn't to the truth God is a proxy for truth for him So truths that don't comport to his religious belief won't be seen as truth to him, and that's a problem. The idea of why he gives his allegiances as he does is fascinating too. God is number one because God gives us rights, the Constitution is two because it protects our rights, and then the family is three because it's the basis of society.

The way he views family makes sense and the Constitution part is fair enough. He's basically saying that the Constitution is important because he doesn't want to be inconvenienced by having to constantly fight for his rights to be validated against like being violated by stronger people and that's fair enough. Like the Constitution allows him to not always be fighting. Hmm. And that's fine. Okay. The idea that God needs to be the top priority because God gives those rights is a sticky Theological pickle if God gives us rights and the ability to be free then we don't need to make God a priority We've been given the freedom not to so these rights shouldn't be conditional on being subservient to God

If they're conditional in that way Then God is really just enslaved humanity by giving us fake rights and freedom that can be taken away if we misbelieve, and life is basically just a cruel trick. I don't think that it's wrong or even dumb to be religious or even make your relationship to the divine an important aspect of your life, but when religion is this root justification for political beliefs and philosophy, you run into trouble pretty quickly, which is why you need to go a couple steps further Yeah, and build up this base if your first allegiance is to God then I think you're threatened by the idea of making truth your first allegiance because you're worried that that would undermine Your other allegiance sure sure and I see that as being an inherent problem for someone like bill. Yeah, I

Mean first off I disagree with his conception wholeheartedly. I don't think there should be a ranking system for your allegiances I think everything comes down to fuck Mary kill right so for me Mary my wife and family Obviously already did fuck We're gonna go with God. I'm gonna fuck God. God seems pretty chill, probably can do crazy stuff, right? Kill the Constitution, I'm sick of that shit.

Get it out of here, done. All right, so there we go. Now I've got a much better system that's more consistent. How about you? I don't wanna answer. I don't know, I think if you killed God yeah, then like that opens up all kinds of Like you already did what happens then you know what do you mean? What happens? He's already been killed like 60 years ago, and what happens if you fuck the Constitution

Mean I think we all know what happens if you fuck the Constitution. I just somebody gives you a phone call I don't I don't really want to I don't want to engage with this okay fair enough, so I think I think that bill is I get the way that he conceives of himself, but I think that it's inherently Flawed and it leads him to be as much of a follower as he derides everyone else for being yeah And I I don't know, if he was still alive, I'd like to ask him, how does that feel? What does that mean to you? Yeah, that's also kind of absurd.

I think it's an absurd thing. That's absurd. We're about to get into magic. Let's do it. Now, humans are too rational to believe in magic, right? That doesn't sound true at all. Well, I mean, what about mummies? Wait, do mum to believe in magic, right? That doesn't sound true at all. Well, I mean, what about mummies? Hmm, wait, do mummies believe in magic?

ISIS was the patroness of the magical arts among the Egyptians. The use to which magic should be put is revealed in the Osirian cycle where ISIS applies the most potent of her charms and invocations to accomplish the resurrection of Osiris. In other words, the redemption of the human soul. That the gods of Egypt were elements of a profound magical system and possessed a significant, far different from that advanced by modern Egyptologists is certain. The various deities of the Nile Valley were elements of an elaborate magical metaphysical system, a kind of ceremonial cabala. This cannot be denied. But even when impressed with the reality of this fact, the modern Egyptologist still balks. Supposing, he asks, that the Egyptians did possess an elaborate metaphysical doctrine.

Of what value is its rediscovery in an age when the natural has been demonstrated to be mediocre and the supernatural nonexistent? Even if these extinct persons whose mummies clutter up our museums were the custodians of some mysterious lore, we have simply outgrown it. Lest the dead pass various deaths, they say. Be preferred to live in an era of enlightenment, an enlightenment which you would blight by asking us to espouse the superstitions of our remote ancestors. These so-called superstitions, however, it is interesting to note, die hard. In fact, they do not die at all, but insinuate themselves

as a discordant note in our matter-of-fact existences. McCall's magazine published some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled, The Curse of Amun-Ra, dealing with the phenomena attended upon the opening of the tomb of the pharaoh, to thank him in. Yeah, so look man, you don't believe in magic? What about the tombs of the pharaohs and the curse? Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hmm. I see you have no answer. Therefore, Bill has won the curse. Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hmm. I see you have no answer. Therefore Bill has won the point. I believe I do have an answer and I think it's become something of a new life proposition for me. Anytime one of these people says something very commandingly like, this cannot be denied, my first instinct shall always be to be, I deny that then. I strongly deny that. If you say it cannot be denied, that strongly suggests that it needs

to be denied. And in fact, probably should be. It's been proven. No. It's documented. Believe it or not. It's beyond debate. Wrong. Yeah.

I debate that. I generally think that those are tells for like, oh, we're on shaky ground. Yep. Yep. Yep. You're trying to overcompensate oh, we're on shaky ground. Yep, yep, yep. You're trying to overcompensate. Don't ask questions is a good way to start, yeah. Yeah. So the Egyptians had magic, I guess. Yeah.

And you know, we know of the mummies. Yeah. The mummies, come on. The mummies. The mummies. I mean, do I, does he think they're cluttering up our museums? He certainly said that.

But look, here's the deal. I also agree, I agree with him kind of that it's in poor taste to have mummies in museums. So I wouldn't put it as cluttering up our museums, but when you really, you know, you break it down, it's not cool. Listen, if that's the angle you wanna take, that's fine. I just feel like cluttering is probably the wrong word.

I mean, at the very least- It's disrespectful. At the very least, mummies do belong in me, or at least not belong, but are appropriate fixtures for a, this is a place where things are several thousand years old. Yeah, but maybe there are too many of them. Hey, listen, that's a preference thing. Yeah, if you're like a janitor at a museum, you're like sweeping up, like, god damn it, another mummy.

God damn these mummies! So a lot of people who went to Tootin' Commons' tomb... Sure. They died. Did they? McCall's magazine published some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled, The Curse of Amun-Ra, dealing with the phenomena attended upon the opening of the tomb of the pharaoh Tutankhamun. After vividly describing the curse of Amun-Ra, the author sums up the effect of this curse upon

those who came in contact with the tomb are its contents. His statements are in substance as follows. At the time the tomb was opened, the party present at the excavations included the Earl of Carnarvon, Howard Carter and his secretary, Dick Bethel, M. Benedite, the French archaeologist, and M. Pasanova. Of these only one, Howard Carter remains alive. Now that was at the time of the article. You can't have one guy survive if you want me to believe it's a magical curse.

That's not how magic works. It's all or nothing on that one unless you show me that the person who survived got deep into magic and found ways to protect themselves from the curse. Yeah. Also, these numbers are just wrong. There were 58 people present when the tomb was opened and many of them lived normal ass lives afterwards. Howard Carter died in 1939, 17 years after the discovery of Tut's tomb, having a struggle

with Hodgkin's disease. Lord Carnivon died in the year after the discovery, having been bit by a mosquito, the wound of which got infected after he had cut himself shaving or like was picking at the sore. One guy died from heat stroke, but it was the middle of Egypt in the 20s. Sure. So rough to rough time. Yeah. A lot of heat back then.

Not a lot of AC. Quite a bit. Quite a bit. The idea that there was a curse killing these people who opened the tomb or came in contact with the things from it. It was made popular by novelists like Arthur Conan Doyle and it latched onto the public's imagination, but it's nonsense. This is really stupid. But I was thinking about it. And I was thinking about the time, like if I had lived in the

twenties and there was this idea that there was a mummy's curse, would I go into the tomb? And I decided that I wouldn't. You wouldn't? But it's not out of fear of the curse. Okay. It's I just think it would be disrespectful. It would be rude. Yeah. They put they would they took the time to curse it. Well, it's obviously like, you know, should I be here? I don't want to dig up a grave either. Fair. Okay. Okay. I just think it's kind of like this isn't my place. All right. It has nothing to do with the curse, but I wouldn't go. Here's where I went.

I didn't go back to the 20s. I went back to the guys who were writing the curse. Do you think they're like, man, this is going to be so funny? It's going to freak them out. Because nobody actually believes in magic. We're all modern Egyptians here We know that magic's not real only those old-timers actually believe in that crazy shit But we're gonna write this down because later on people are gonna believe it right and then I'm thinking if you write a curse down now Everybody's gonna be like ah this guy. He's fucking crazy, but a thousand years from now

They might think it's true right if you put something in a time capsule. Yeah, you're gonna fuck with someone's head It's ten thousand percent more important than if just because it's old yeah, so if you're looking for a prank That's not a bad one. That's not a bad one. Yeah, so A lot of people died from this tomb chair curse chair debatable A lot of people died from this tomb curse. Debatable. But Bill goes on. They were probably killed by magic. Sure.

Only recently another name was added to the long list associated with the tragedy. Arthur Weigel, after a long and mysterious illness, similar to that defined in the curse, is the most recent victim. The eminent authority on antiquities, Dr. Martith, was the most important person to the curse. The curse was the most important person to the curse. The curse was the most important person to the curse. The curse was the most important person to the curse.

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The curse was the most important person to the curse. The curse was the most important person to the curse. The curse was the most important person to the curse. The curse was the most important person to the curse. The curse was the most important defined in the curse, is the most recent victim. The eminent authority on antiquities, Dr. Mardus said, quote, the Egyptians, for seven thousand years, possessed the secret of surrounding their mummies with some dynamic force of which we have only the faintest idea, unquote. Over the entrance to the tomb of Tutankhamen was a magical tablet inscribed with strange hieroglyphics. Dr. Martis named this tablet the Stella of Malediction, for it pronounced a fearful curse upon any sacrilegious person who might violate the sanctuary of the deified head. So according to Time magazine, an article from 1934, Arthur Weigel died from cerebral

asteriosclerosis. That would have been 12 years after the discovery of the tomb. It really feels like grasping at straws to try and connect this shit. I mean, there's, so the nice thing about dying is that it's a 100% chance, right? So the great thing about curses is that it's just a four dimensional problem. If it's not cursy enough for you, just wait. Yeah. They're going to die.

Yeah. You know, eventually and then you can make something up. And any death can be made suspicious if you want. Totally. You just bend certain details and yeah. Also that's Stele of Malediction. Yeah, that's a fun name. It is.

It might not be real. Ooh. It might be a thing of legend. Ayy, that's a real struggle. There is not like, you can't find this at a museum or... Too many fucking mummies around. Yeah, cluttering up the place So I thought that was interesting though like you got this this curse stelae of malediction, and I was like okay

All right, let's hear some more about that. Yeah, and thankfully bill reads it fictional thing maybe All ye beings from above all ye beings from above, oh ye beings from below, phantoms riding the breasts of men, ye of the crossroads and of the great highways, wanderers beneath the day of night, and ye from the abysses of the west on the fringes of the twilight, dwellers in the caverns of obscurity who rouse terrors and shuddering, and ye walkers by night whom I will not name, friends of the moon, and ye intangible inhabitants of the world of night. O people, O denizens of the tombs, all of you approach and be my witnesses and my respondents. Let the hand raised against my form be withered. Let them be destroyed who attack my name, my foundation, my

effigies, the images like unto me." Can modern Egyptologists and scientists in all branches and departments view lightly the culture of the Egyptians if their researches into the forces of nature gave them such strange power and enabled them to master natural laws of which modern learning has no knowledge or conception. Wait, but did it though? Did you know that Lars Hansen was reared in the Stel Group? Did you know that a very famous talk show host who covers for the Masons all the time

was a member? Also was heavily involved with the Communist Party. You talking about Johnny Carson? Did you know these things? Do you ever bother to check you who listen to these people and believe them blindly? You, the sheeple of the world? Circumstances so extraordinary as the curse of King Tutankhamen simply overtax the theory of mere coincidence, folks. Nor is this an isolated case, as those will remember who read the accounts of the Cleopatra mummy curse many years ago. Ah, more mummy curses.

Damn. So that stelae doesn't exist for Bill to be quoting. So when he said the words that are on it, I was like, where is this coming from? Yeah, that's very difficult. But because he gave the actual words, you can, you know, just google it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's easier to find. And it turns out all of this, everything, the whole Egypt magic that shit, all of it

is just him reading word for word out of a book by Manly P Hall called Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians. Great. This is such a disappointment and this is where it gets to the like the question of what does he believe? Right. Because it sounds like this is what Bill is saying. It sounds like he's saying the Egyptians knew magic, damn it.

He is 100% asserting in his own voice that magic is real and those people did die as a result of magical powers. Yes. That is how it comes off. In actuality, he's reading and then throwing in folks here and there or like complained about a talk show host. But the rest of it is all just Manly P Hall's text, like word for word. When he says quote and then end quote, that's from the quotes that exist in the book. He's not

ending the quote from the book. Okay, gotcha. Like it's paragraphs upon paragraphs. I think it borders on plagiarism. Yeah, it's plagiarism. That's what plagiarism is. It borders on it. He's dead, who cares? That's fair. So I agree with that Kind of led me to be really disappointed because I was like, I don't know what to think of this Yeah, I don't know if Bill does believe that magic the Egyptians were practicing magic I think he I am inclined to think he thinks that yeah, I

Mean I mean Okay, I think here's where we run into problems with the word magic. I know that Bill would obviously agree with the concept of the supernatural and that I think we would colloquially describe as magic, but for some people there's a very different thing between the spiritual supernaturality and the magical supernaturality. I think a little bit later he does say that while he's reading from this Manly P. Hall book that sorcery and magic are different. See there we go. It always comes there.

Magic is a supreme understanding of the natural world, whereas sorcery is something else. Right, right, right. The Egyptians knew magic in that sense or something. I think that distinction is there. Yeah, that just means anytime you call somebody out on something, they do a little split. Yeah. So after this point, when I realized that this stella was just from Manly P Hall and that's all he'd been reading. I kind of was like, well,

now I have the script. Now I have the script. I can just like see what he's going to say before he says it because then this text. Okay. Manly P Hall. Right. Right. Scorpion crab at a US on that mainly phallus Okay, all right. Yeah, okay, so you change Man yep to Crabby crably phallus yes We've got to the bottom of it. Crably P. Hall. So we struggled in the last episode to make sense of whether or not the mystery Babylon religion was something that relied on stuff they'd learned about pre-Christian times or if it existed before Christianity. Because they

believe that Christianity is a version of their own thing. Right. And in this next clip, I think we can solve that mystery, Babylon. Okay, nice. You may wonder where all this is going. Yes. But it becomes clear when you understand that the Egyptians inherited the religion of Babylon. So are we to presume that this single phase of ceremonial magic constituted the

entire repertoire of the Egyptian almatages? You think if they could manifest such surprising power, is it not probable that they possessed a knowledge of other natural hidden forces, forces as yet unknown to the modern public world, which is possibly of inestimable value. So when he says, you may wonder where this is going, Bill is editorializing, but then he immediately jumps back into the Matley P. Hall text. But what we can take away from this is definitely the mystery religion that Bill's rambling about predates Christianity.

It was a bit unclear in the first episode, but now there's no doubt. It goes from Babylon, they inherited it in Egypt, and then it has gone on through time ever since. I have a... Okay, here's the problem I have with the plagiarism thing. It's not the plagiarism part. It's that he asked me to sit by the radio with a pen and paper. Right, just go buy that book. Just go give me, just tell me what book you're reading from. Yeah. I don't need to take notes.

No. If there's a book that I could be reading. I'm wasting my time. Yeah. But I think that, I think it's important that Bill is editorializing a little bit while just reading straight from this text. Sure. Because it's, it's what Alex does too.

Totally. It's the, it's depriving an audience of really understanding what is from you and what is from this other place. It makes it much more difficult to assess what is the point you're making, what's the veracity of this information. Sure. And yeah, it's a thread that goes throughout these guys.

Yeah, and it's what they do to their advantage. The blurry you are, the harder it is to pin you down And if you can't be pinned down then nobody can ever say that oh this person's definitively wrong Yeah, you're all the way over here saying that you believe that the Egyptians did magic I mean, I'm not saying that I believe the Egyptians did mad it really sounded like that's what you were saying Well, I am saying that the Egyptians did magic right? But you're really just saying that manly P Hall said that the Egyptians did magic. Exactly. I agree with them Okay

so Bill Seems to be saying that they did do magic. Yeah, that sounds right. We are assured in the authorized version And note I say authorized version of holy writ that the magicians of Egypt changed theiraves or rods and disturbance in the presence of Pharaoh. The modern scientist does not live who can duplicate that phenomena, yet if he happens to be a good Christian he is in somewhat of a dilemma. We can pass over all the desperate efforts to disprove the magical powers of the Egyptians as arising not from immature knowledge, but from a desperate prejudice. You see, magic is too ancient and too universal to be explained away by mirrors, wires, and hinges. In Egypt, we are dealing unquestionably with true manifestations

of occult power." So after he said that a real Christian has a dilemma, Bill appears to diverge from the Manly P Hall text, but he's really just skipping over like four paragraphs and he jumps back into the text as it is. But it does seem like they knew magic. I, I see. Here's the thing. And Christians have to accept that. I hate, I hate this shit because I Want magic I'll do it You know like this this is the problem with their whole dramatic angle towards it Is that it's always got to be something you wrestle with and it comes with that fuck that I'll take it. I'll take magic

I'll take it right now. Whatever. What do you want? What do you want to take for me? The devil my soul fine done We'll do it. I'm done, but you have to give me on episode two But you have to give me magic and then I have to do magic, you know, right like that's this is my problem They're always like oh Well, they would never give it to you because you want it too bad. Fuck you, right? You know, I think that If that were a bargain that people could strike up We'd have a lot of really fucked up things that we'd have a lot of really fucked up things in history that would have a lot of people just doing magic all over the place.

Yeah, why not? I like that you looked outside just to confirm like no magic out there? Cool. Well, there's an airplane. Wow, there's a little magic out there. Yeah, in a sense. If that's your definition of magic, I don't even want to have this conversation though. If it's like we figured out how to fly a plane like we figured out how to fly a plane. Fuck you. Yeah So Bill I think is not sure about the magic thing, but he's also sure of it. God. I hate people. Yeah highly gifted Egyptologist Lenore month acknowledges Egyptian magic as an essential part of their religious philosophy

James Bonwick, FRGS, thus summarizes the powers possessed by Egyptian adepts. Quote, �Egyptian mystics could levitate, walk the air, handle fire, live underwater, sustain great pressure, harmlessly suffer mutilation, read the past, foretell the future, make themselves invisible and cure disease." Now I have no idea whether to believe that or not. Why? That is what this expert says. Now if you doubt the power of magic wielded by the priests of Mystery Babylon, listen to this.

Or we can compare James Bonwick's account with some other news from Tibet, another land long famous for magic. So what's the point? You can levitate and fly and live underwater and all this stuff the mystery Babylon magicians could all do this now I don't know if I believe that but this expert says what are we supposed to do with that perspective this this expert that I've described as extremely gifted yeah so if you'reley P. Hall did. Right, right, right. So if you're going to describe somebody as extremely gifted only to negate everything they've said by going,

what do you think? Yeah. Then what's the point of having words? Well, cause the conclusion would have to be, I don't believe this fucking expert. Yeah. This person therefore is not an expert. Right.

They're a liar or they're an incorrect person and extremely gifted means they're extremely gifted with incorrectitude then that to me means that Bill's gotta believe they can do magic absolutely otherwise this is an incoherent hour of broadcasting absurd so that's at least something we've learned yeah last time we learned that God Jesus is the Sun yeah the up in the sky yeah and we learned that God Jesus is the Sun. Yeah the up in the sky. Yeah and we learned this time that Mystery Babylon predates Christianity. Yep, and that magic is part of it. They can they can do magic

If magic I I swear to God kind of a plagiarist. I swear to God I would if magic was real I could totally do magic I could totally do it what do you mean I mean if magic was real if it's a measure of belief or imagination or like willingness to sacrifice or any of those things if magic was real I could totally have done it by now okay I can't when you say focus long enough to do card tricks when you say I could do I was what I didn't know if you met like you were physically capable. No, well I mean, I think we all are. What if it comes down to a situation where like, I don't know, you run into a genie.

Sure. And the genie says, I'll give you all the magic you want. Cool. You say yes, and then it turns out, uh oh, your body just isn't like, it just, you have the wrong blood type, or something like that. Fair.

Yeah. But now I know. That would be kind of disappointing though. I mean, it might be kind of disappointing, but what's really interesting about that though Is that there is a result that I can be like actually magic is real? I just have a shitty blood type you know now Maybe I can't prove that to anybody else, but I would know that magic was real well I should tell you a little story about a genie the end. Yep. I have the wrong blood type

But I am capable of all sorts of magic. Wow. There you go. How would you ever know? I believe you Anyway, Bill stupid. Yeah We have one last clip here and it's connecting the Egyptian magic. All right to more present-day concerns Like Alistair Crowley, okay according to Plato the highest form of magic consisted in the divine worship of the gods, and according to Iamblichus the priest, through sacerdotal theurgy, were able to ascend from a material state of unconsciousness to a realization of the universal essence, thus coming to an understanding of universal purpose.

Real quick, Bill said unconscious, but it was actually conscious in the text. Gotcha. By which the performance of high feats of magic became possible. Thousands of years later, Aleister Crowley claimed the same thing. Now, this is significant. It's proper at this point to establish a clear line of demarcation between magic and sorcery. You see, the term magic was not associated with occult jugglery by the Egyptians, but arose from a profound understanding of natural law.

Magic said General Albert Pike, and you will be hearing an awful lot of General Albert Pike during this series of shows. Ancient Egyptian General Albert Pike magic says general Albert Pike is the exact and absolute science of nature and its laws unquote from the knowledge of this absolute science arises occult science occult merely means hidden folks from experience in occult science, in turn, arises the Theurgic art. For as surely as man has adapted his physical universe to his purposes, so surely the adept of the mystery school adapts the metaphysical universe to his purposes. To acknowledge that the Egyptians possess the power of adapting mystical forces to physical ends is to bestow upon them proficiency in the most

perfect and difficult of the arts according to the mystery religion of Babylon. Yet, to deny this ability on the part of the Egyptian priests is to deny the evidence, and we must resign ourselves to the undeniable fact that they possess a form of learning which has not been conferred upon this present race, at least publicly. Men like Alastair Crowley have proven that it has been passed down through the ages and is kept and practiced secretly by those who call themselves the guardians of the secrets of the ages is it?

now folks we are in desperate need of money to help pay for airtime mmmm if you like this show if you want it to stay or leave ah! give it to me! then please reach down in your pockets contribute hey that's familiar Yep, there it is. So that's another little little Alex Eism

nice ad pivot there, yeah but I Don't I I got a lot of this is still just reading the Manly P. Hall thing Yeah, and and I don't get exactly what Groundwork he's laying right other than like okay these magicians who it's not like fucking magic magic They just know the rules of nature so well that they can manipulate reality. Yeah that has existed since the beginning of time or whatever in this cult has Come down to Alistair Crowley fine bummer bummer What a real bummer sure I mean at least at least Jack Parsons eventually did blow things up

You know like sure there's mysticism. That's a bummer, but then he built rockets, so that's pretty cool Yeah, you know that's pretty magical, but Alistair Crowley fucked a lot he well so yeah but that's kind of what Jack Parsons was into too. Yeah, that's why they were hanging out him and El Ron and Alastair yeah all fucking people I don't know where we are like in terms of the point That's a good question. We we a second adventure. I do feel like something is, I wanted to say taking shape, but that's not fair. No, it's not. It's not. But there's an idea of something that could possibly maybe take shape. Yeah. Okay. So by virtue of reading somebody else's book, at the very least you are saying, just by

doing, that it is of import. It has to be. Yeah. Right? Because I think that he's reading Manley P. Hall's book and pretending that it is the result of his research and his like investigators like getting inside the mason's yeah yeah yeah I think that's the little shell game that you're playing right so he has to at the very least he has to be giving the listener the impression that this

is something that you have to know is real. Yeah. Is real. Right. It can't just be stupid. Yeah, it can't just be like, Hey, y'all ever hear about this? Like, it can't be that. He's reading it the way that he's reading it. There's no other implication than like, Oh, I have to take this seriously. And this serious guy is saying that magic is real.

Yeah. And you need to learn these important lessons about what your enemy believes. Right. And it is important to understand this because they can do magic. I mean, if that's the point, if the point of all of this is that I should really learn what my enemies understand and believe because my enemies are actually capable of doing magic, I submit this to you. I want to be their friend and not yours.

I want to be their friend and not yours. I want magic. I don't know if I automatically go that direction, but I definitely feel like my experience of listening to these first two so far has been like, I know, I look, I don't know if I'm on Mystery Babylon's side, but I'm certainly not on Bill's. No. Like Bill's side makes it little sense seems stupid. Yep, and I think it doesn't it is not Comporting himself. Well, yeah to get me if this is an eternal struggle between two sides He's made the other side make more sense. I think yeah, and that's not great. Yeah But yeah magic magic's not it is I I personally feel uh a shame to watch somebody shadow box and lose That is very difficult

To make up an enemy's dumb ideas and to lose to them Yeah, yeah I and I think I worry about this too like I think this is something that came up in our past explorations of bill is like if This is all just reading manly p. Hall then like In the first chapter of his book is just republishing silent weapons require wars. He's a plagiarist Yeah, so I worry that like maybe there isn't much of him other than like he's just reading these things that like maybe there isn't much of him other than like he's just reading these things. Of all the things to find out through all of what we've done, I think it would be really

cool to find out that Bill Cooper was not even not a fraud in the way that we think he was, just a regular fraud, but he was even more of a fraud than we could ever have imagined. He was even more of a fraud than we could ever have imagined. He's even more of a fraud than Alex because he's not even this person. It doesn't appear that there's like a ton of research he's done. It's just a book. He's just a liar who's reading out of a book. Yeah.

I don't know. We'll see if that's the case. I think I'll probably maybe at least try and learn a little bit more. We'll see what happens. Um, but, uh, yeah. Until then, we have a website. And TV2 at knowledgeright.com. Yep, uh, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Neo, I'm DZX Clark. I am the Mysterious Professor. Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo! And now, here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.