Knowledge Fight - #1037: May 12, 2025

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to see what Alex thinks about Trump's recent actions on prescription drugs, Chinese tariffs, and jets from Qatar.

Music It's time to pray I have great respect for knowledge fight knowledge I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge Knowledge fight Pray Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, worship with the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today buddy? You go first. My bright spot is Expedition 33. Oh, okay. This video game is amazing Yeah, you were telling me a little before the before we started recording. Love it. You like the French? Ah, man It's just great. Yeah, I do And I do like the French angle to it. I think that's fun.

The French angle. That game is deeply French. It is deeply French. It is so fucking French. Yeah, which is fun. It's just like video games in my head from, because where we grew up in this world has been like, it is so heavily influenced by Japan. Sure.

Especially RPGs. You know, like the JRPG is such a massive part of growing up like it is so heavily influenced by Japan. Sure. Especially RPGs. You know, like the JRPG is such a massive part of growing up that the language in and of itself is a whole thing. Yeah. And then to just suddenly be hit with some French, like, ooh, look at that guy's mustache.

At times, do you not think it's too French? Absolutely not. Okay. I mean, nobody has yet gone, ho ho ho ho. No? So it is possible that I will get to him. I mean nobody has yet gone, ho ho ho ho. No? So it is possible that I will get to him. I thought there was one character who just speaks in ho ho ho's. There was a guy.

Have you reached a point in the game yet where you find an unlockable weapon that is a baguette? No, not yet. That would be too French. I assume that a baguette is coming. That's too French. Two days old. Two days old is the baguette time for murder. Crusty bread baguette is coming. That's too French two days old Two days old is the baguette time for murder. Yeah, everybody knows that. Yeah, I'm glad you're enjoying that I tried to play it and it wasn't my cup of tea or a cup of vann. Yeah nice

But yeah, I'm glad I'm glad you're enjoying it. Yeah, that's great. What what's your favorite character so far? Um, mael is a world destroyer. Sure. She is I've got I think right now early on part of the struggle for me is that I've got this like Three-person combo setup. So it's boom boom boom boom boom and then the fights over and mail is Just at the end of that. She is the she is the day new ma So I enjoy her immensely okay. Yeah awesome. Did you did you have fun with anybody? I had no strong feelings about anybody that I encountered Except for they were fucking friend. You stop

Gustav fucking Lumiere or Gaston or some shit. No, I thought it was a great game, but it just wasn't for me. I can't do those timing things. Like, it's very, very hard for me, and I just can't get good at it. Totally get it. So I set it down.

I may get back to it one day, because it is gorgeous. It's beautiful. And the narrative of it is very gripping. Yeah, so like I would like the story I'd like to know more of the story. Yeah, it's it's fantastic so far nice. What's your bright spot? My bright spot is Jordan Your usual suspects think me but like your verbal kinting.

You're looking at the walls like, uh, uh, Kobayashi! Where's Kobayashi, god damn it! Um, no. So my bright spot is not a bright spot. It's a... it is a negative spot. It is a boo spot. Okay, okay, okay. And that is, I went to the grocery store that we shan't name no no plugs

Mm-hmm, I was wearing the pinky ring sure so this was a pinky ring experience, okay? And I think it was partially. I think the pinky ring played into it a little bit, okay? because I saw a cheesecake mm-hmm a mocha cheesecake for sale and I had seen it before and I'd said no okay and I was I was there this time with pinky ring with the pinky ring so you believe that the pinky ring influenced you towards the cake I think it might have given me a little bit of a devil may care attitude okay and I bought

the mocha cheesecake okay and it trash. I ask you this question Do you think that over time if we were to like really? Map out your behaviors there would be a trend towards a riskier set of behaviors with pinky ring as opposed to without I wonder I would don't we all I? Think yes, I I bet there is mm-hmm, but I also I don't know how risky quantitatively You know like listen that's fair. I mean, it's a mocha cheesecake though, so you you never know what you're gonna get there Yeah, I mean depending on how we set the variables and everything I think you would find that but I bet it would be like a very incremental tiny little bit of added risk

Yeah, but that's what happens when you're cool. I mean, yeah, absolutely You get a cheesecake. It sucked. I didn't enjoy it I like the idea that you were eating the cheesecake and then you took the ring off and then you were like I hate this cheesecake I don't want to I don't want to speak bad while I'm wearing the ring as soon as I took the ring off I realized it was a bad purchase bad purchase I've made a mistake, but I guess it could still be a bright spot because I felt the freedom to buy this cheese Yeah, absolutely. I guess negative experiences are positive experiences over time. Sure. Make sense. You learn the things you don't want exactly

Like more mocha cheesecake makes perfect sense. So Jordan today we got an episode to go over. All right We're gonna be talking about May 12th, 2025. Alex was out of studio for Friday and then Sunday. Sure. And so now he's back on on Monday. All right. And yeah, I think that he's a sad man. He's a sad, sad man. Sure. And we'll talk about it. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks. That's a great idea. So first, Nick, you're a loser little tidbit, baby. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much! Thank you! From Kerry, Phoenix, I love you more than anything in the whole wide monster hunter world.

See you in startling city. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much! And I removed an Info Wars bumper sticker off a utility box two hours south of the Arctic fuck you Alex Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Thank you, and we got a technical credit the mix Jordan So thank you so much to you I want my mom to know that I made something of myself and I am now a policy wonk correction

You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't wanna hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you. Yes, thank you very much. So I felt like this episode is a grim picture of Alex. I think it's a very, like as much as everything about him sucks, like a lot of the political beliefs and you know, all that, the fact that he's a huge old liar, all that sucks. But man, this just felt weak. And I think you'll understand why as we get through it, it's just you never want to live long enough to become this if you're someone

like Alex. So we start off with him covering the some news about China and tariffs and trade. Okay. Now the stock market's up what 6% right now. But that's not the real indicator of the economy. That's what they just try to use to manipulate people. China completely capitulated, and the corporate media is, Oh, my God, Trump backed off his tariffs. Trump totally surrendered. No, China did what Trump asked them to do eight years ago and tried to do. Trump's trade policy, but the

Chinese and Switzerland. Told the Treasury secretary, and he's on record now. We have the clip coming up. They said, Listen, we already did the deal and you didn't enforce it. So now there's this 90 days to implement all of these policies

and all of these policies are being implemented. And they are being implemented. And they're being implemented. And they're being implemented. And they're being implemented. And they're being implemented. And secretary and he's on record now we have the clip coming up they said listen we already did the deal and you didn't enforce it so now there's this 90 days to implement all the finer pieces of it but it will go through because China is on the verge of total collapse you are not gonna see the corporate media tell you that you would think Trump is the biggest moron on earth. So there was a major breakthrough in the trade negotiations between the United States and China, but it's kind of silly to say that China capitulated.

In the past months, Trump has imposed and stalled and then imposed giant tariffs on Chinese imports into the United States. In response, China has put retaliatory tariffs in place and then has had the effect of basically creating an unofficial embargo between these two giant trading partners. It was very dumb and unnecessary. And then in April, China had added export restrictions on rare earth minerals and they'd done a bunch of other adjustments to their relation to the United States, not necessarily just involving trade or tariffs.

This agreement that they struck involved dropping those pointless tariffs that Trump had initiated, and as part of the deal, China's going to drop all the other stuff that they were doing in response to those tariffs. We're essentially back where we started, but also clearly worse off. In terms of international relations, I think that this whole affair paints China as a much more reliable and trustworthy trading partner, and it also kind of reveals that they have a bit more leverage than Trump and Alex want to admit. They can clearly move the needle.

No, it makes sense. Anyway, this agreement is just to lower the tariffs for 90 days, so we'll see what happens in the meantime, and when that clock runs out. I would predict more chaos and stupidity. Yeah. But, you know. Yeah, there's a part of me that feels like we shouldn't be, nobody should be getting any updates on any of this because God knows what's happening. I don't think they know what's happening.

I think us knowing anything only makes things more confusing. Yeah. I think Alex having any bits of things to hang on to is bad. You know, like we should all just wait because fucking I don't know what's going on. Yeah. And I think that Trump and his administration have such a lack of credibility that like them coming out and saying like, Oh man, we worked out a great deal here. Makes me feel like, um, I don't think, I don't think you did.

Yeah, there's no way it doesn't look like it and this whole like well 90 days That I don't I don't I don't like that as a media strategy Yeah Because I think that this has happened a bit where it's like 30-day pause on this stuff, right? And that just kicks the can down the road and people's attention will be gone by the time this this this time runs out. Yep. Oh well. Yeah that's the problem with getting the wrong kind of news. Would you say though that that is kind of the art of the deal? Oh I let me I'll just throw this out at you okay now I don't know

what's going on. I'm not sure about negotiations and I'm not an economist so I don't know what's going on. I'm not sure about negotiations and I'm not an economist so I don't know what levers push what and make what happen. But I will say that as far as negotiations go, in history, from what I understand, if you are in a weak position, you are probably going to have to give up more in the negotiations than you will receive. So you want to be in a stronger position within those negotiations. Now perhaps putting all of your political capital on suddenly being an asshole might be a weak position in a trade negotiation. Yeah, or it could be a way to artificially create the appearance of strength. Exactly.

Which indicates weakness. In reality, when you're negotiating with China, you will find yourself in a weak position, but you look like you're the big guy with your big shoulders all up all over everywhere. It does. I do get that vibe, but it could be just the art of the deal. You know, I haven't read that book. No. So China has agreed to get rid of all of its non-monetary tariffs, all the little hidden ones. And this the out with a moderate tariff. If they don't agree, boom, it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, which is weaponization because they've been weaponized against us. And then when they back off, he comes back to what he first said. I mean, that's just simple art of the deal stuff that he didn't invent that, by

the way. Men, it's like your kids. First time you tell them, don't do that. Next time you go, Hey, I'm warning you. Third time, I'm going to whip your ass. And you know, if you're 16 and keep not doing what they say, they just say, Hey, get your ass out of the house. Go. So this is the guy who's like all about the sacredness of the family and how the left is trying to destroy the family unit. But he's also someone who believes that violent threats and kicking your kid out of the house in their sophomore year of high school is good parenting. Sure. Seems like an asshole.

What Alex is describing as the art of the deal and also parenting is just bullying. This is a cornerstone of Alex and Trump's worldview and it shows a little bit of the path of how you need to respond to it. This is just bullying. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the problem is it's not like they're doing it because it hasn't worked for them. You know?

Like it is so much like, of course bullying works up until it doesn't. That's the risk reward strategy of bullying. Sooner or later, somebody's going to be like, no more bullying. And then it turns out you're a piece of shit. That's how it works. So Alex is gonna get to the news. But before he does, there's something that is a little bit more important. All right, let me get into this. Historic events that are happening all around you right now and the incredible victories humanity in America is having. But I want to say something

out of the gates because it's very instructive and informative and important. I notice a massive continued talking point on X that I'm not even looking for. I just see it cause I love reading comments and love seeing clips and articles and memes that people post in response to what I post, what others post.

I just love it, addicted to it. Spent hours a day on it, I can't stand it. I mean, I can't stand it to not be able to not constantly be looking at it. I'm obsessed. And I see this talking point. Jones used to be anti government. Now he works for the government. Jones used to be anti establishment. Now he is the establishment. Yep. Ah, not yet. But that's the stated goal. Populism, we the people, right? Read the Declaration of Independence. That'd be like when George Washington and our four bears won.

And the public going, my God, we can't have our new government of the people. I mean, we're the rebels. Well, I mean, now George Washington's King George. We can't, what? So apparently talking about what random people are saying on Twitter is more important than getting to the news. This dude has a serious problem with social media.

It's taking over his life. I can understand how this criticism that is being waged against Alex kind of stings him a bit because it does directly indict his entire career. So this is a natural part of the challenge that his type of career presents. The relationship with power is always something that he needs to manage or else he is going to become seduced by it.

Someone in his position isn't a watchdog about corruption or any of that other shit, but in order to play that role, he needs to have a healthy distance, and unfortunately that means never really being associated with the actual power structure. It's important for him to champion idealistic losers like Ron Paul, who have no shot of actually getting elected, because maintaining that support is easy. If only Ron Paul had got elected, it wouldn't be in this mess. That's a simple refrain that he can pull out any time a Democrat or Republican president does something bad.

Maintaining this connection to power always allows you to be playing forward-thinking and optimistic games. You're striving for a state of affairs that will never come to pass, but man if they did, things would be great. When your guy fucks around and gets elected, you have to make excuses and justify why things aren't as good as they should be or you said they were gonna be. You become someone playing a defensive and backward thinking game, and that's not the natural position for a media figure like Alex Jones to be embodying. The criticisms of Alex aren't about him being close

to power, but it's a byproduct of how what he does doesn't work in this state of affairs. He's made a career off talking about how the media didn't lie to prop up the globalist leaders, but now anyone paying any attention can see that all he does is lie to prop up Trump. He's become the dinosaur media that he's used to attack, which probably sucks for him, and I can understand how he doesn't want to see that on Twitter, but it's unfortunate. It's the reality of where you are. Yeah. Yeah, I think in his world, I think he, like, his job functions a lot like a parasite.

You know, like, as long as you're on the right host and you don't get too big or too small, you can just kind of have a nice run. You're doing great. I'm, yeah, fucking, I'm a big fan of Rand Paul. Nobody's ever gonna take me too seriously. I'm never gonna get big, but I can suck juices out of Rand Paul. If he gets too big, then you've gotta be dealt with. People have to look at this gigantic tick and go,

ah, we gotta get this shit out of here. I think that's part of it And then I think it's also like you know the Green Lantern Can't exist in red oh whatever you know like sure sure sure sure weak against red Yellow I believe is fine. Whatever. I don't know. I don't know I saw that Ryan Reynolds movie That's the most I know don't remember it But like, it's it's he's the character is weak to this thing. And that thing is exactly what's happening now, which is having to tow the line and carry water for the power establishment. It's should know better. Yeah,

just don't go in this proximity. It's it's I mean, if seduction weren't seductive we wouldn't have a word for it That's the problem. You know of course You got a week. He's right. He's weak to social media of course. He's weak to shit tons of money, right? Yeah, I think that if Alex were smart Yeah, he would agree to have Roger Stone on the show that first time, but only if he was tied to a mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. Unable to respond in any of the ways that... Hannibal Lecter mask. So anyway, Alex is like, hey man, all you people on Twitter talking shit, you're wrong. I'm cool. I've never been anti-government. When the corporate media would call me that in the ADLs, I'd probably lost Senate Democrats. I would say I'm pro-constitutional government, limited government, the American system, and I'm anti-occupment when it's limited and constitutional.

In fact, I defend it because it's of the people. It is our country. And I am anti-illegitimate government, and will fight it with every ounce of energy and every drop of blood, sweat and tears, clawing with my fingernails to the last breath in my lungs and the last beat of my heart against them. I understand what Alex is trying to say, but this just doesn't work with the rest of his

career. His career has been based on a very strong position of states' rights over everything that wasn't specified as a power that the federal government was given in the Constitution. That's what so many of his positions have been theoretically based on over the years. What he's saying in that clip is basically, I'm not opposed to all government, I'm just opposed to government I don't like, which is a meaningless statement. It's fine to believe this, and I don't actually have a problem with someone saying something like that because it's kind of a fine position.

You would be saying that government itself is value neutral, and when it's used for good it's good, and when it's not it's bad. But that's not what Alex believes. He's intellectualized his feelings about government, and he's got a long-standing position that the federal government has to be weakened as much as possible, and that states have all the powers that aren't given to the federal government specifically in the constitution. He's always been a critic of executive power, and the issue people have is that he's completely abandoned this essential piece of his philosophy.

Anyone paying even a little bit of attention can tell that he's fundamentally altered his beliefs about civics, and it makes sense that he's sensitive about being called out about this. Like, he was part of the popularization of the idea of democide, like government murdering people. He is opposed to government in a sense. Yeah. I guess the question for him is like, this is frustrating for him because I do think that this is inaccurate criticism.

Because the accurate criticism would be to say, Alex has been lying to us this whole time, right? Not like Alex has changed his beliefs about blank, but Alex was lying to us from the jump. Yeah. If you're going to put intention into it, if you take intention out of it, it is your relationship with what the government's power is has changed. Yeah. If you just want to give it descriptively and give it the most benefit of the doubt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in a way, if you want to provide some depth to the idea of states' rights as an

actual philosophy that you could say was real, then it would be less states' rights and more, here are all of the tools that we have with the constitution propaganda wise, reality wise, courts wise, all of this to protect against a centralized form of government that I don't like. And then here are all the tools that the constitution and propaganda and all this stuff has to enforce a executive government that I do like. I am willing to lie, cheat or steal to get power is the is the actual criticism that is Alex, you know, not like you were cool, man. I was never cool. Not once.

I was lying to you. You idiots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, the, the, it's a flawed criticism. And then even if you take it, um it at its most generous, it's a misarticulated criticism. But these people are responding to something that is real. Exactly. And that is that Alex's tune has changed. And he doesn't like that. He doesn't like the idea that like, oh, yeah, in order to maintain the position that I have

now and the relationship with power that I have now, I have to give up on what is my stated philosophy and what I pretended to believe all this time. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that you're right that the real criticism is you were a liar. You weren't, you didn't believe any of this shit. It was just what was convenient for you at the time because you knew that there was no chance of Executive power being something that would go in your what your direction, right? right

and you've you've internalized this criticism as being so bad not because of The content of it, but because you've been lying to yourself as well Probably you've been trying to tell yourself you are also still the powerful truth teller while at the same time being the bootlicking toady. Yeah. And I think that the criticism and the fact that it's happening on Twitter where he is obsessively scrolling around looking for dopamine hits. Right, right, right.

I think the reason it's so palpable for him is that it does start to chip away at that facade of the character that he is. And that's threatening. Yeah, you know what's great about social media is that if you're somebody with a propensity for repetitive thoughts, you want to have those externalized and then shot at you through a gun. That's the way you want social media to do things. Yeah. So anyway, people are a little too mean to Alex on social media. And I think he gets lost

ranting about the Patriot is a scarce man. hated, feared, scorned. But in time, when his But in time, when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it cost nothing to be a patriot. When his cause succeeds, when his cause succeeds, when his cause succeeds, the timid join then because it costs nothing to be a patriot. And what did the timid and the John income latley's do now that we're winning? Oh, he sold out to the government. He's with the system now. We have not taken the government back yet, but we've taken large pieces over it and we've turned the tide. And humans are

not God, and so we will always have problems, and I'm not promising some utopia here. What I'm saying is, we're going back to the American system and we're going to have a victory or we're going to have death. As Colonel Travis wrote in his final letter to my ancestors in Gonzales with instructions to take care of his son. And that's what this is, ladies and gentlemen. This is about victory, or this is about death. And we're going to get plenty of death if these people continue on as you've seen with the poison shots the GMO

the chemtrails the fentanyl and all the autism and all this garbage Because the wages of sin is death Mixing mixing metaphor. So my answer the tyrant says victory or death Okay So my answer to the tyrant says victory or death Okay Was that policy wise like progressive taxes victory or Death with three lines under it all right, okay three little commitment and

When you commit to something worthy and good it is not a weight it is everything it is your greatest strength it becomes your soul keep in mind this is a guy who's just mad about some things people said on twitter like he's god's appointed soldier to kill the devil but he also has to spend long chunks of time on air whining about how people don't respect him enough. Also, I was thinking about that, like, I'm not promising a utopia thing, and that's sometimes not true. Alex does get into utopian visions periodically, but I'm going to pretend that he doesn't. If you just accept his premise that he doesn't promise the listeners a utopia, I still think

that he sells his shit by promising utopia. One version of utopia is the creation of an ideal state, but another is the avoidance of a totally evil one. Alex doesn't promise a positive vision of a utopia, but he does promise the audience that if he wins, they'll be spared from the dystopia that he spends so much time on air describing. In effect, he's created a hell for them to fear and offered a path to salvation from it.

This is really no different than promising someone a utopia if you follow them. It's just playing on their fear instead of optimism for a better tomorrow. Sure. It's like great, yeah, you don't promise a utopia, you promise avoiding hell. Ultimately, in both cases, all you're really promising is safety from pain

Mm-hmm one is a positive vision and the other is a Absence of a negative one. Yeah, great. Yeah, well really Fun fun to stumble upon them being fundamentally the same. That's an interesting thing. That's fun to get to But ultimately yeah, no, he doesn't understand anything now, but he's did you know Twitter gets dumb? That's that sucks That's it I don't I don't empathize or I don't feel for him but of all the things that I would want to be tortured by, I really think

social media being addicted to it and at the same time being okay. Being a person who talks to the TV because the TV keeps calling me a piece of shit, but also the TV keeps calling me a piece of shit. You know, like it's really calling me a piece of shit. Yeah. That's terrifying. It is. Yeah. And the fact that Alex has worked himself into this situation where in order for this

business model to continue working, he has to keep getting called a piece of shit by the TV. Yeah. It is a Twilight Zone episode. It is fucked up to exist in his world. Yeah. episode it is fucked up to exist in his world yeah so we get back to the news that's not Twitter based and has to do with the prescription drugs that the Trump has he's just he's solved it oh well that's nice

humanity has awoken and it's getting more intense every day. The level of the awakening is getting stronger. So let's get into the big developments. You know on average the people of the United States pay triple what anybody else pays on average for drugs. Roughly double what people pay in Europe for the very same companies. And that's because everything's been set up to screw the American consumer. He just cut an executive order, take a few months to phase in the cost of prescription drugs. So the reason that prescription drug prices are lower in other countries is because other countries have regulations in place that limit those prices. Sure.

Places like England have nationalized health care that drives down the prices and essentially those countries don't allow pharmaceutical companies to set their own prices and run the game however they want. That seems crazy. On the flip side, the US doesn't have these types of protections for the consumers and big pharma and insurance companies can fleece us for medications at huge markups. Trump signed an executive order that said that they were going to ask drug companies to voluntarily drop the prices of drugs, but there's no mechanism for enforcing anything

and this will do jack shit to solve the problem that Americans face with healthcare. According to NPR, the EO also quote, directs the US trade representative and Department of Commerce to take action against unreasonable and discriminatory policies that lower drug prices abroad. The reason that drug prices are lower abroad is because of government-subsidized healthcare systems that set prices that drug companies are allowed to charge. It's pretty clear that Trump's goal here is to put pressure on these countries to raise their drug prices on the premise that if everyone else were paying more for these drugs, the Americans would pay less. Just from a purely law-based standpoint, Trump did nothing with this executive order, but

it's clearly signaling a direction that involves US consumers paying the same amount for drugs, but it's trying to do that by forcing Europeans to pay more which doesn't help anybody except for the drug companies Yeah, this is populism, baby. Yeah. Yeah, we're trapped in we're trapped in accurate falsehood territory You know where it's like it doesn't matter what you're reading. It doesn't matter how reputable the news source is They're reporting on something probably accurately Probably defensively that also might not be true tomorrow. It might just not exist tomorrow.

So they might have lied to you today, but they're accurate today, but tomorrow it might not exist. Well, I mean, these things that are like, hey, we're doing a 30-day pause on this, that makes that so much more likely. What's true today might not be true tomorrow, next week. Exactly. You have accurately reported on something that does not exist in time Which is a wild circumstance?

It says weird state of affairs to exist in mm-hmm like I understand that what you're telling me is true right now Check tomorrow. I can't trust anything. You know do you mean Alex's description of the prescription drug executive order is true today I mean no just like no no I read a thing which was like president signs executive order to drop prescription drug prices by 30 to 50 percent or something like that well that's yeah that's yeah on his he assumes it'll drop it right right You are telling me something accurate and yet at the same time in no way is any of that information true. Well, the head, yeah, I think the articles that I've read maybe have had something along those lines in headlines, but then once you get into the body of the articles, they'll

be like, this has nothing, this does nothing. Right? Yeah. So the accurate thing to say is Trump does nothing right the sure but But that's also not accurate because he did do something exactly yeah, but what's real? The body of the article lays out more of what's real, but unfortunately people's attention are drawn You know everyone's addicted to Twitter right exactly you got those headlines. Yeah so yeah the this prescription drug thing

is not a meaningful change that Trump is going for. And honestly, I think if you look at it from most angles, the only real party that stands to gain is drug companies. Yeah, that sounds right. And the people who stand to lose the most are European consumers. Yeah, that sounds right. Yep, that sounds right. So that's who stand to lose the most are European consumers. Yeah, that sounds right. Yep, that sounds right.

So that's one story of a big Trump win. Great. And then we get back to the China tariffs thing. Another huge win. Breaking. US and China agree to cut tariffs for 90 days while they negotiate and get the finer points done. Major breakthrough. the while retaining the remaining ad valorem rate of 10% from that announcement. According to a joint statement, China agreed to the same stipulations, adding that will adopt all necessary administrative measures to suspend or

remove the non tariff countermeasures taken against the United States. Since April 2nd, the announcement stated under the deal, reciprocal trade for both countries would be reduced by 150%. The U. S US will temporary lower its tariffs on Chinese goods from 145 to 30 and China will reduce its levels on American products from 125 to 10 now 145 to 30 to 125 to 10 who's got a higher tariff we did is 30 bigger than 10 who just won that okay what team wins by 30 to 10 that is not how it works so we're lowering to 30 they're lowering to 10 who won that

interaction this is this is a good representation of why people would say that Alex is just working for the government now. He's dumbing this issue down to a point where it's meaningless in order to present it as a win for Trump because everything is a win for Trump. These numbers really don't tell the whole story. For most of Biden's presidency, the US had a 19% tariff on Chinese exports and China had a 21% tariff on ours. However, there was a disproportionate application of Trump's tariffs. For example, almost 67% of Chinese exports were subjected to US tariffs before, whereas only 58% of US exports to China were tariffed.

What Trump has done is raise these tariffs to a ridiculously high rate and subject 100% of Chinese exports to that tariff. In response, China raised their ratio of tariffed exports from the US to 100% as well, so we were actually disproportionately affected by that retaliatory jump. This also fails to take into account that we have a sizable trade imbalance between our countries. We import way more stuff from China than China imports from us, so on a consumer level, the US is going to feel these impacts way more than Chinese citizens do.

Alex is so invested in spinning everything as a positive for Trump that it ends up creating surface-level coverage that even some passive idiots in his audience are probably starting to sense that. 30-10! He better hope that he gets some of that Elon money soon, and some of these people aren't going to follow him on to his next fake company. I think the quality is slipped. The idea...

Listen, I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I have no idea I can't I can't fucking fathom the difficulty of understanding international finance agreements No fucking clue sure what I can do is tell you that if you say 30% tariff beats 10% tariff obviously we win You're a fucking idiot. It's it's very obvious that you're not accounting for a ton of variables. And you're willing to like, this is the story that I'm going to tell you my audience. And it just makes clear that you're not interested in information.

You're not interested in the news. This is propaganda. Yeah, absolutely. And here's the other thing. I genuinely don't know if anybody knows what long term any of this is going to do. No. And I think a lot of the articles that you end up reading from experts reflect that. They say things like that. We have no idea what this is going to do.

This could go any direction. Yes. Like maybe, no, and here's the thing. Maybe we could somehow whatever win quote unquote is, I don't know what that means, but over long term, maybe something happens. But I don't even know what that would mean. Would that mean that we pay less for stuff and they pay more for stuff? Is that what winning is? I'm not sure.

But I think that most of what I've read is, you know, there is a lot of that who knows, who knows what the fuck's going to happen. Sure. A lot of it is like odds are it's not good. It's in a territory of not who knows. Who knows what the fuck's gonna happen. But a lot of it is like, oh, it's not good. It's in a territory of not good for the consumer. Right, but that's the question is like, what are we doing when we're talking about this? Am I going to pay less for stuff?

Is that important? Or is somebody getting paid more to make it? Here's my problem. I don't think anybody is actually keeping the money but rich people some Somehow at the end of all this shit I don't think anybody's getting paid more in China if they charge us more here, right? I think your instincts might be on. Yeah Yeah, so Alex has a big show big show lined up, you know all these great Trump wins But you know

Top FBI whistleblower Kyle seraphine to cover the waterfront in studio the third and fourth hour today. He's already here with all these documents, articles, clips, info. We're going to cover dozens of key topics with him. And remember he broke here months ago, the 14 terabytes of Epstein raping kids and horrible stuff. And now that's all over the news last week. So he'll have more coming up and his review of so far the administration and what's going on and so it's gonna be critical. That's good to get those perspectives coming up

in the third and fourth hour, deep dive today. We should also open the phones up some in the second hour when he's on with us in the fourth hour, second hour of the interview. You can ask your questions. I'm sure you'll bring up some better topics. You'll always do. I'm serious when I say that. I'm not patronizing you when I say that. That's why I love taking calls with great guests because you bring up angles I wouldn't think of. I love that uncensored people power of populism. All right. I want to get into the so-called trade deal. It's a lot bigger than that.

The prescription drug executive order and more than I'm gonna get into all the other news here. And there's a lot of it. And it's important. But today is the last day at thealexjonesstore.com that when you get two bottles of ultramethylene blue, already discounted, you get the Alex Jones store.com. When you get two bottles of ultra-methylene blue already discounted, you get the third bottle free. That's an amazing deal. Whoa, that deal is crazy. Yeah, that deal is literally crazy. So good. At

those prices, I can't afford not to buy it. Right. So Kyle Seraphine is this, he's the guy Alex doesn't have on this whistleblower. He worked with the FBI until 2022 when he was suspended indefinitely for refusing to get vaccinated, at which point he became a right wing media celebrity by spreading J6 conspiracies and all this other shit. He's cool. I, okay. Here's the, like, I'm against him. Bad guy. All that stuff. But if I'm working for the FBI and I'm not seeing anybody else take the obvious job position of former FBI guy who's spreading conspiracy theories I'm thinking about it. It's gotta be one better than working for the FBI. Yeah There's more money in it nature abhors a vacuum absolutely and someone is going to fill that was going to do it

Yeah, yeah, whoever can get a hold of James O'Keefe the quickest has a new career Absolutely and someone is going to fill that slot. Somebody was going to do it. Yeah. Whoever can get a hold of James O'Keefe the quickest has a new career. I genuinely think if I'm an FBI agent, I'm going to my boss like, I'm going to want to raise otherwise I have this opportunity to lie about you for money. It's somewhere between blackmail and job negotiation. Exactly. It's somewhere in blackmail and job negotiation. Exactly, it's somewhere in there. But you know, the intelligence services are, there's some corrupt dealings.

Maybe that would be a good way to do it. So that might be a little bit of blackmail. Sure. But what is blackmail but just sophisticated negotiation? I think that's a good point. Right? Yeah, that's expanded negotiations. Yeah, so Alex discusses that a little bit here. Great. Let's get back into Trump and this

Big victory with China big victory with India The list goes on and on I mean it's over a hundred countries now that have signed deals are in the process of signing deals India was the big one UK last, and they're doing everything Trump wants because it's all one-sided and now Carney's having to say okay he's gonna work with Trump but you can't take over Canada. See he's like I want your country. Or can you? You'll be the governor. He's like well you can't do that but we'll do everything else you said.

Whereas he had all that other rhetoric before that Trump's a tyrant, Americans Americans want to steal our country. Trump asked for way, way, way, way, way more than he knows he's going to get show that when they do everything else he really wanted, well, they feel like they did. Okay. That is a basic tactic of negotiation. So we're going from not having any negotiations are being totally sold out by the globalist middlemen to the complete opposite, an incredible negotiator with an incredible economic team. I mean, what Alex is describing is basically a stick up. Like, that's not a negotiation.

Nope. That's a, we're going to take over your country. Yep. All right, fine. We can do some trade. Yep. Like, that's a shakedown. By hook or by crook, we will have your things. Or you could negotiate

what you choose. What a masterful negotiator. What a bully. He's a bully. It is a I mean, it's a long term strategy that's always worked out. I can think of no massive resentment that could be built up over time You know makes perfect sense to me. Yeah Yeah, I got a gun pointed at you and now I think that we're gonna you know, you're gonna sell me some stuff Okay, you're to sell me for some stuff for the price that I think is pretty ridiculous But I suggested at first which you balked at until I had this gun in your face

It seems strange that the gun is involved. Yeah, well, hey, I have it. Now that I'm hearing your actual pitch, it feels very important to your pitch, in fact. Well, you know, I think that you'll see my original terms as quite reasonable compared to this gun. That gun does make things different. Yep. Cool.

The art of the deal. Negotiation master. Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. What a dick. When you think about it, guns do make negotiations easier. I don't know if better or more longer lasting. Or seriously suggesting I'm gonna take over your country. You could become a governor instead of the president prime minister. I feel like this is... Actually, here's what I'm doing. Alright, if I'm Canada, I'm going, yeah, take us over.

We'll become a state. How many fucking Electoral College votes are we gonna toss into your bullshit? Y'all don't even... You're not even ready for Canada to be a state. Don't even think about that shit. Because they could take over, man. Sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at a map.

It's big. We're on a 50-50. Oh, Democrat, Republican. Cause they could take over man. Sure. Yeah. I mean I'm looking at a map. It's big. We're on a 50-50, oh Democrat, Republican, now we gotta throw in Canadian in there? Anything could happen. Also it's really funny that it would be conceivably one state. Yeah I mean right? Nonsense. Are we doing provinces or are we just Canada?

51st state? Yeah. Twice the size of all other states combined. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's it's this is negotiation. It's it's simple. I find this to be fucking stupid. Yeah. And the idea of Alex suggest like acting like this is is counter to what he's supposed to be. Yeah. Yeah. But when I told you the beginning, this episode is sad. Yeah, it's because of this right this next clip is I Feel like it's a new low. Oh Boeing can't even build in a decade a new Air Force one

And So Trump gets given one and they go oh, it's a bribe No, it's a bribe if it's not declared And you could, oh, it's a bribe. No, it's a bribe if it's not declared. And you could say, oh, well, the point is, is that that, of course, Boeing can make a jumbo jet for somebody else, but when they know it's a government contract, just like these fighter jets, they keep milking it and scamming it.

And what they've already, they're gonna be like eight million for it, and Trump negotiated it six, seven years ago down to 1.4 billion and they can't even deliver one. Alex's numbers are a little off, but this is really funny. The idea that Alex Jones, the champion against corruption, is having to bend over backwards to justify Trump being personally given a jumbo jet worth $400 million by Qatar. This is so comically corrupt that Alex should really just ignore it. Like I don't believe that like, you know, people talk about Illuminati humiliation rituals.

I don't believe in any of that stuff, but this has the feeling of a public humiliation ritual. Yeah. Alex having to go out on air and defend Trump getting a plane from Qatar. So the thing is, as laid out by Politico, this isn't a gift to the US government. It's a luxury plane that's a gift to Trump and an expense to the taxpayers. From their article, quote, a private contractor would have to rip it apart and turn the jet into a flying White House for the president with secure communications and classified upgrades, according to former

Air Force officials and lawmakers, an expensive and complicated prospect that could cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars." So that's what Alex is defending. Yeah, no, I mean, beyond any other conversation, which it is absolutely fucked up but even then he can't take it because If I'm cutter and I'm giving you personally a four hundred million dollar jet I am loading that jet with all kinds of spying ass spy shit That's ever been spied on for spies

You might and that's part of the giant expense of if you were to take this, you'd have to... We have to hire somebody to unspy this shit. And then we don't have a plane. We have to put the whole thing back together again. Yeah. And then like every plane that you would have in your fleet, it requires upkeep. I think it was that same Politico article quoted someone is like, you might want to ask yourself why stars fine getting rid of this absolutely very expensive to maintain this giant luxury plane. If if they're giving a plane like this, then you have to blow it up. That's the only thing that makes sense for everybody involved.

They can't have it. You can't have it. Nobody can have it. If we take real world things out of it and put those to the side and just look at this as an Alex moment. Yeah. This is pathetic. Yeah. If you have the president of the United States being personally gifted a plane by a foreign government and your take on it is it's cool. It's not a bribe if you declare it. If you have to say it's not a bribe if you are talking about a bribe. I mean even if it's not it's just a shady as shit. Like I don't know that if I don't know there's a quid pro quo that's you know specific out of it. Yeah it's it's not it's not what you'd want a general print quote quid

quo pro quo aty to it. That is going to be an issue sooner or later. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex lies a bit about this whole playing business because he's a piece of shit. Ridiculous. There'd be like eight billion for it. Trump negotiated it. Six, seven years ago, down to one point four billion, and they can't even deliver the $1.4 billion. They negotiated

it. Six seven years ago down to 1.4 billion, and they can't even deliver one. And so a Gulf state says here we're donating it to the U. S government. That's how ridiculous this has gotten, and they call that a bribe? Yes, it is a bribe. It's like Elon Musk donating Starlinks to the air traffic control systems when they

go down, or donating them during the fires, the palisades, or donating them during the hurricane. So Qatar did not offer to donate the plane to the US government. It's a gift to Trump, and he's explicitly said that he would donate the plane to his presidential library after his term ended. This is a gift for a person, not the government, and Alex is directly lying about that to cover up Trump's praise and corruption. Also, Elon isn't just donating Starlink terminals because he's a great person and

he wants everyone to be online. It's part of a business strategy where companies try to circumvent the government contract or competition by offering their product for free. By insinuating yourself this way, you can provide a service that ends up becoming essential to the point where your ability to remove that service gives you outsized influence and the ability to demand a lot of money. That'd be Windows. This is what Elon is doing. He's provided Starlink terminals in places that need them, so it becomes more costly to try and go with another vendor than just continue working with him.

He's the proverbial drug dealer who gives you that first hit for free just out of the goodness of his heart. It's crazy how all of the government computers were given Microsoft Windows early on for free and now suddenly it costs a lot of money and they can't not use it. Yeah. It's crazy. There was an article in ProPublica that was discussing how Elon's strategy in Microsoft It costs a lot of money and they can't not use it. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. There was an article in ProPublica that was discussing how Elon's strategy and Microsoft

are like, it's very clear. It's the smartest thing to do. Yeah. And we saw this even play out with the war in Ukraine. When the war broke out, Musk donated 20,000 Starlink units to the country to provide networking and communications that were based in satellites so they would still work, despite Russia taking out major pieces of Ukrainian infrastructure. Then, in November 2022, Musk said that it was too expensive for him to continue offering these units, telling the Pentagon that they would need to pay for it, saying it would

cost $120 million to finish out that year and $400 million for the next year. Musk essentially put the government in a position where they would need to pay him a shitload of money to continue enjoying the gift he supposedly gave them, or they would need to come up with a replacement satellite communication system or leave Ukraine in the dark. Naturally, in 2023, the Pentagon announced that they had awarded Musk and SpaceX a contract to provide the Starlink service in Ukraine. This isn't a gift or a donation, it's a business model that is only a little bit different

from extortion. Yeah. Musk is far from the only person who engages in these kinds of business practices like we discussed with Microsoft. Yeah. But it comes off as very pathetic for Alex to get on air and have to pretend that he doesn't understand this dynamic.

Like how fucking stupid do you have to be to try and pretend like oh? He's such a benevolent guy giving out these so low. Yeah, it's encroachment. It's a business strategy and when your personal job is Going to end before the consequences of a deal like this are going to fully mature What do you really care at the end of the day? Not least of which because at the end of your term, you'll probably get a job with the people

who fleeced the people you were representing. You know? Well, but this time the term doesn't end. Yeah, right. So that's great. Yeah. Get rid of the revolving door by having a permanent dictator. Let's just do dictator.

Let's come on, let's see where I'm done with it. Yeah. Let's get out of here. We've been dipping our toes in for too dictator. Let's come on. Let's see where I'm done with it. Yeah, let's get out of here We've been dipping our toes in for too long. Yeah, come on everybody move on wrap it up so we talk here a little bit more about the Major major breakthrough on prescription drugs. Hmm. Let's get in to what he did with the executive order on prescription drugs That they've been talking about for decades. Why do we pay more? Why do we pay more? Because we have a political establishment, both Republican and Democrat,

that got together and screwed the people. And then the drugs we get and that they push are always the newest, dangerous ones that are the highest cost because they make the most money off of it and it fits their agenda to kill us, to depopulate us. So here's Trump signing that executive order. But starting today, the United States

will no longer subsidize the health care of foreign countries, which is what we were doing. We're subsidizing others' health care. The countries where they paid a small fraction of what for the same drug that what we pay many, many times more for. And we'll no longer tolerate profiteering and price gouging from Big Pharma. But again, it was really the countries that forced Big Pharma to do things that frankly, I'm not sure they really felt comfortable doing, but they've gotten away with it.

These countries, European Union has been brutal, brutal. To be clear, nothing that Trump is doing with that executive order will have any effect on US consumer prices for prescription drugs. If you listen to what he's saying, he's complaining that other countries have, you know, they've set prices that drug companies can't charge more than and that's what's unfair. In the fantasy that he has there's a set amount that these drug companies need to make. Let's say a hundred billion dollars a year. They need to make this amount in order to keep making new drugs and curing things so it's really important that they make that much. Europe has set a law in place that these companies can only make 20 billion dollars from their

countries so in order to make the amount they need they charge the US consumers 80 billion. We're subsidizing their drugs! Makes perfect order to make the amount they need, they charge the US consumers $80 billion. We're subsidizing their drugs! Makes perfect sense to me. Trump is trying to attack- 30 is bigger than 10! Sure. Trump is trying to attack the price controls that keep European drug prices low and pretending

that this will drop prices here. Like if the European consumers have to pay $40 billion, all of a sudden our prices will drop because the drug companies only have to make 60 billion from us. It's almost like profit motives and capitalism aren't factors in this imaginary world. In reality, Trump wants to pressure these other countries to drop their price controls so that drug companies can charge them more, which won't make a difference with US consumer drug prices. The answer to this is sort of the opposite of what Trump is doing.

I feel like we should all know this. Like this is, it's 2025. We should all be here now. If there is something that is good for you in regards to healthcare, then you will see healthcare CEOs on TV all the time telling you about how bad it is for you that this happens. There is often going to be that dynamic. Right? It's like, I've never not seen it be the case where somebody's caught on TV

and been like, actually, this thing that's going to save you money, that's terrible for you! You want us to have the profits, otherwise we'll steal your legs! That's what we do. We steal legs. Yeah. I mean, if you asked somebody who was like, I don't know, running a check cashing place or something like that, whether or not they provide a service, they'd probably say yes. Oh, of course. They were the best service. And those 50% loans are just great. Yeah. So I think that Trump is in a little bit of hot water because of the whole plane thing.

Sure. Man, that plane thing is fucked up. It's pretty crazy. It's fucking crazy. And guess what? We'll forget about it in a week. Probably. Yeah.

Yeah. Good work on you. But some of his base has turned against, eh, not turned against him, but they're critical. Sure, sure, sure. Of him about this. Yeah. This, this means that unfortunately Drudge is now Democrats. That'll happen. Here's the corporate headlines out of a Drudge.

I mean, it's democratic party. Qatar gives a jet to Trump. Palace in the sky. Is it a crime? And no, the law is being followed. He's been trying to get a new aircraft for the last eight years. They admit the old one is two of us falling apart. Air Force One, the main one in the backup. And so Qatar goes, okay, we'll donate this to the US government.

They're like, Oh my God, it's criminal. They're paying him off on. Look, I got no interest in drugs, but I feel like I would be pissed if I were him. Yeah, like you Alex you have no career without me Yeah, I'm the fucking corporate news and the Democrats you piece of shit. Yep, you ungrateful sack of garbage How dare you? I You know, everyone is is a corporate Democrats once they're saying the thing you don't want them to. I mean, it's, yeah. If you think about those, I don't know if you, there was a lot more of them, I think in the like 60s, 70s and 80s.

But those Swami guru kind of things, where there would be the guru guy and then he would have a lot of people who got way into him too fast. And then slowly the stories would start being like, look at all these people leaving in droves because of the real things this guy is doing. But there was always the core group left. There was always the core group that no matter what you told them, they would look you in the eyes and go, we're're pot-committed sure this guy's God that kind of thing

Do you think it's fun to be a monster who exploits those people like do you think Trump is watching Alex going like Can you believe this shit like he's got popcorn like I wonder what else I can get this monster to agree with you know I think I think it's probably stressful know I think I think it's probably stressful I think I think it's probably a man if I lose these these folks I got nothing I think I think maybe I don't know maybe it's a glass half full half empty kind of thing I mean isn't that isn't that the thing that keeps us from ever even considering it though is that it would be to us It would be a horrifying thing to do to people. Right? So if you are doing it you probably are fine with it right? Yeah it's I guess it would be hard to judge the mental state of someone who's already monstrous. Yeah. You know. Yeah. No it's also

really weird to think about how like Alex is that inner core diehard group. He is the cult member who's like more, he's gonna go down with the ship. I think that he thinks that he's not though. I think he is really deluded about where he is in terms of, like if you are saying Trump is cool to have Qatar give him a plane and that drudge is Democratic Party corporate media because there's criticism of this flagrant corruption. You are so deep. You are never getting up for air. Too far gone.

Yeah. Yep. And I think that there's some other figures in this world that have a little bit of a more interesting maneuverability. And one of them is unfortunately Laura Loomer. God damn it. But Laura Loomer slams Trump over a guitar jet, calls it staying on the presidency. I'm so disappointed.

You know, I like Laura a lot, man, but she just doesn't sometimes get it. And it just goes on and on and on. So on our last episode, Alex was bragging about how Laura Loomer was critical of Trump's choice for Surgeon General, which made Trump change his mind. She was the shining example of constructive criticism, the part of the base that was holding Trump's feet to the fire. But now she doesn't get it. Alex's world has a Loomer problem, because they've empowered her a little bit too much

and she isn't going to play ball. She's a chaotic influence who isn't playing the same games as all of these people around her. All these assholes pretend that they were like Jewish people in the lead up to World War II and they got kicked off Twitter. They whined about how they were being put into digital ghettos because that helped them inflame the feelings of persecution that animate the audience, which then helps them sell supplements. Meanwhile, Laura Loomer put a Star of David on and handcuffed herself to the door of Twitter's headquarters. It was embarrassing, and she

forgot to handcuff herself to both doors so people just walked around her, but I think that's representative of the different game that she's playing. She sucks and is wrong about almost everything, but her actions also often have the subtext of, okay, what if we mean it? Whereas all of these other figures in Alex's orbit, they know that what they're saying is bullshit and they don't take any of it too seriously. Yeah. So now you have things like Trump saying that he's going to accept an obviously illegal gift from the government of Qatar and Loomer is rightly responding, hey, isn't this the opposite of what we're supposed to pretend to support? Alex's response is exactly right.

Sometimes she doesn't get it. Sometimes she doesn't get that their media space is weaponized propaganda, and you aren't supposed to criticize your side for not following the rules you demand the other side follow. She and Nick Fuentes are good examples of people that the right-wing media should have done everything they could to sideline a long time ago. They were too circumstantially profitable for the right-wing media to use, and they've gotten out of hand. They have too much status and have built organic audiences of their own that aren't going to go away, and they're not going to play ball. It is comforting when you're anti-conspiracy theory-ing-ing to know that confidently no one in charge of anything has a legitimate long-term plan for anything.

If you look back, it's like, you guys, it's fairly obvious that this was going to happen, but you wanted it too bad because you're there. Like, there's so much of that Alex addiction of like, yeah, but he's useful now. He's useful now. We got to use them now. We got to use everything now. You know, it's just, it's just that the immediacy of the need. Yep.

Yeah. And I was, I was like thinking over a lot of the things that Laura Loomer's done in in her career and a lot of it is Like the actions of someone taking seriously something everybody else knows not to take seriously Yeah, like she and Jacob Wall and Ali Alexander They went to try and prove that Ilhan Omar was married to her brother. Yeah, it's like this is something We're just smearing. This is something for Twitter and shit. You don't need to go do an investigation into this. You don't need to handcuff yourself to the door at Twitter. Come on.

The irony of what you're doing is you're proving why what we're doing works and what you're doing doesn't work. Because it's not real. And unfortunately, if you do too much of that, it is going to ruin our ability to do our thing. Because it reveals that none of what we say is real. Right. Yeah. So they should do something about her at some point, because otherwise it's gonna blow up in their face.

Yeah, just as a comparison point for somebody who actually believes something versus you. Mm-hmm. You know, like you don't want the actually believe something person to exist if you don't want to actually believe it. And I want to be totally clear. I don't want to go out on a limb and say that Laura Loomer actually believes any of the

stuff. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Her actions follow the path more frequently of what if we believe exactly. Yeah. How would we behave if we weren't just all talking shit? Yeah. Yeah. It's not about belief. It's't just all talking shit? Yeah. Yeah, it's not about Belief it's about comparison between the two. Yeah. Yeah, so

We have one last clip here and it's cuz Alex interviews that FBI whistleblower sure he's got and I just decided to turn it off because He tells this story. Okay, and Let's see. Let's see how you feel about this. All right. All right Let me give the bottom line up front because that's the way I was taught to brief people. If people look here on the overhead cam, you probably can see it. This is the notice I just got from Google.

So this is brand new. This came in on Saturday evening at 1023. By the way, it's funny, I sent you one of those on Friday that my wife got to get your opinion and the next day you get one. Yeah, no, thanks for that. I appreciate it. So it's an identical notice. So this is something that happens So I used to be on the other end of this and that's what I guess the weirdest part for me

So I used to be able to serve process to people like Google or meta or your cell phone companies and so on and if we Wanted them to preserve data and then we wanted to serve either a subpoena or what's called a national security letter And that's a secret subpoena or a search warrant for content or information Then we would do so and then eventually whenever we let the seal lapse because we would go hey don't let the user be notified I don't want Alex Jones to know that I'm in his emails so we would ask that to be under seal for a period of time at some point time either the case would conclude or we would bring out an indictment so you knew about it because you've been arrested

then we would go out and we would let this thing lapse and you would get this email notifying you so I'm just gonna read it. It says, this is from Google. It's on their official letterhead. It says, hello, Google received and responded to a legal process issued by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, my ex-girlfriend, my former employer, compelling the release related to your Google account. A court order previously prohibited, that's the thing I just mentioned, Google from notifying you of the legal process. We're now permitted to disclose the receipt of legal process. So if you have a legal process, you can go to the order previously prohibited. That's the thing I

just mentioned Google from notifying you of the legal process. We're now permitted to disclose the receipt of legal process. The agency reference number is as follows, and there's a number there, which is a grand jury subpoena

says. J G J. So that's what we assume for that one. There's some kind of a subpoena. There's another piece in their reference 2023 are number. I don't know exactly what that means, but the odds are that this was served in 2023. So the chaos that I feel when I look at this is that my former agency,

and I made a note about what the STASI was, so a lot of people probably are familiar with that term, but it gets thrown around and bandied around an awful lot. They were the East German secret police, and they operated for 40 years, and they were responsible for three things in particular. Domestic surveillance, that's what the FBI does.

Intelligence gathering, that's a post-911 FBI thing in a very big way, and suppressing dissent, which has been basically a post-Obama-era FBI mandate going after dissent. So we saw this stuff with the Twitter files. We saw this stuff happening under Trump's first administration, where he was removed from social media.

Suppressing dissent means we now decide whether or not you're allowed to have all the information you want, and we're gonna go after people that have Contrary viewpoints and that's what they've been doing to me what you saw we have that document from the Trump administration Under Obama national security investigation forever, right? And and so it's of course this is unrelated I'm sure that I think it's from my bankruptcy. They wanted to see what was going on with my wife I hid something. Of course. I didn't a I don't do stuff like that and be I'm not stupid

see what was going on with my wife. I hid something of course I didn't. A. I don't do stuff like that and B. I'm not stupid. And so obviously they probably had a grand jury of both of those and then they didn't find it so it's been closed probably right? In this case yeah and I'm sure in the same thing for your wife's case but here's the problem. Well you saw I sent you my own wife's notice. So that would be closed. What did you get from it? Same sort of thing as this. So this is the first thing that this guy is bringing to the table is this email And how does that story grab you? Um, I mean If a former FBI agent is calling the FBI the Stasi mm-hmm, I I feel divorced somewhere

We did call them his ex-girlfriend Yeah, I I feel divorced somewhere. We did call them his ex-girlfriend. You know? Yeah. I hear these details of the story where Alex's wife got this email and then he sent it on to this guy and then he got an email. I kind of think that maybe it's a phishing email. I think that maybe you know, it's possible. Yeah. So I looked into it and I, the sort of text of his email, tried to find if this was a legitimate thing that Google sends out.

And it turns out it is a form email that they do send out, but there's a decent chance that scammers have also copied it. Yeah, obviously. So I don't know if this is an authentic email or not. But generally speaking, what this email is indicative of is that your phone was near a crime. And your phone got caught up in the geolocation data that the police were running when they

were trying to track the person's phone who committed this crime. So generally, when you get an email like this, it is indicative not of they've been spying on your email and everything that you've... Whatever he's describing, like there's a grand jury and they're targeting you. No, it's that your phone got caught up in a drag net. Yeah. Typically. Right, right, right, right. I'm not going to say that it's impossible that it can't be sent out in other cases, but you're not, if you, if they're trying to weaponize the state against you, you're

not going to get a notification afterwards. Like, Hey, we, we tried to find some dirt on you. We fucked up. It's a strangely. Okay. It's existence belies your lie about it, right? Like the email, if it's the, the Stasi didn't email you, they didn't like go around your house and be like,

hey, surprise, we tried to secret police you, but you're so good. But because they're using Google, Google has to do it. No it don't. The Stasi wouldn't, the Google does. What? Why? Google's also part of your conspiracy about people who are in the globalist who don't

give a shit about laws. Yeah, that is a difficult point to get around. But my gut tells me that I think maybe it was not a... I think it's a spam. I think that's what's going on here the fact that Alex asked about it like his wife got one sent it to him yeah and then he got one that kind of leads me to believe that maybe it's like a fishing thing oh my my initial vibe was he just made it up like if if Alex sends you

okay yeah you know if Alex sends you this there's kind of a bit of like hey We need this is what we're going to talk about and what's a great way to Throw that in there. I also got one your wife and I are close you and I are closer now This is all we're all part of the same conspiracy kind of thing. That's very possible I was trying to come up with an explanation that involved all of the basic facts being true. Now assuming that they aren't, that is a good explanation. I also thought of another explanation is that like maybe, I don't know, were they at the same place? Right. Like if Alex, his wife and this guy went to dinner or something, then it's entirely possible Alex didn't have his phone on him or something. Both of's entirely possible Alex didn't have his phone on him or

something. Both of their phones were near where a crime was committed and they would get the same geolocation alert. I would go so far as to say Alex himself is a crime and if you were around Alex there's a fair chance that somebody might be looking at your phone. Yeah that's possible. Fair chance that somebody might be looking at your phone. Yeah, that's possible. Yep. The explanation provided of the government was trying to investigate this guy and Alex's wife. It's nonsense.

Right? Yeah. No. No. So if this is the level of shit we're going with, then I think that this is a guy who, like you were describing, rightly saw an opportunity for a career change, as opposed to, is someone I'm gonna take seriously as an FBI whistleblower?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, fuck him. Yeah, I mean, probably had to drive more than he wanted. I bet his commute was long, and he was just like, man. He can work from home as a bullshitter. Absolutely. I can do whatever I want from a phone. Woo!

And no standards. None, and no standards none None no bosses. Yeah, so shit sad around Infowars headquarters Yeah, I think Alex is a real just sad image this You gotta have a line man. Yeah, you gotta have a line at defending this plane thing is have a line man yeah you gotta have a line at defending this plane thing is you just gotta ignore it there's no way for him to take on this story and not come off like just a worm yeah you can't you can't cling mm-hmm like that's if you're an Alex figure that's you that's got to be the hardest rule of all you can't cling. If it feels

like you're losing your grip, you have to let go. Because if you try and cling, you're just going to look pathetic. Yeah. And I think I was trying to workshop like what could you do? And I think the only way you can even talk about this story if you're Alex and come off with any dignity. Yeah. Is be like, I don't know all the details of this doesn't look good. Moving on. Like that's about all you can do is vain ignorance and be like, I don't know.

And then it'll blow over. Yeah. You don't have to, you don't have to touch every live ball, you know? Like, yeah, no one's there's so much going on. You could probably gamble on enough people like just not even seeing it because it only happened for a day yeah well the only problem is that drudge and loomer being critical maybe forcing the issue in his head a little bit but he still could ignore it

yeah you're I mean at the end of the day you're fighting ghosts mm-hmm you're fighting there even drudge and loomer are fighting the day, you're fighting ghosts. Even Drudge and Lumer are fighting their own ghosts. You're acting like they're your ghosts. Yeah, that's crazy. They're all shadow boxing. Yep, it's Pac-Man shit. Yeah, it's crazy. So, we'll check in, see how low he can go, but until then, we have a website.

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.

Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

I love you.