Knowledge Fight - #104: November 20, 2017

Episode Date: November 21, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan about the November 20th episode of The Alex Jones Show.  Alex has a lot of dumb ideas about Charles Manson's death and history, and he accidentally reveals that he has a whole lot in common with the recently deceased. Beyond that, he has a white nationalist South African on the show to be racist as shit.

Andy and Chanzos, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I am Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Today, we are drinking the noveltiest of beverages.

Correct. Old style. Old style, because we need it, buddy. The Chicago favorite. We need it. Today is a weird day. This is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex Jones.

And that's our dynamic. That's how we like to have fun. And clearly, Dan has got some shit to say, because you ran through that bet real fast. I want to talk about Survivor Series. All right. I knew it. I knew it. God damn it. No, I don't. Not really. I do kind of want to talk about it, but we already... Charlie, you spent the last five minutes telling me about it.

Yeah, I was venting a little bit. You know how a lot of people pre-show, a lot of shows have like, okay, here's what we're going to talk about today. Here's where we're going to go through a nice little pre-production meeting. Nope. Nah. I'm like, Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane got fucked. It was pointless.

Yep. Bunch of garbage. I hate it. This is why our eventual show on MSNBC will be canceled immediately. Right. Just weird, vague reviews. Yeah. Try not to give spoilers away about past wrestling paper views. Fox News is going to have a field day, because in the first five minutes of our TV show,

I'm going to be like, have we considered killing all white people? Well, we're going to get to that later. And here is my plan for how to do it. Jordan, you're going to love one of the things that comes up on today's show. I believe it. Yeah. I'm going to guess it has something to do with race war. It does in a very interesting way.

Today, we're going to be covering the November 20th, 2017 episode of the Alex Jones show. That's today. That's current as we're recording this. And, you know, we, there's trouble. I don't know how else to put it. Every time we go back into the present, we get into trouble. Yeah. There, there's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff that I found incredibly shocking about today's episode.

Oh boy. And I think you, I make a prediction that you're going to be as mad as you've ever been. That is a hearty prediction, my friend. And considering that it's already 8 p.m. I want to, I want to ask. Among the almost year that we've been doing this podcast, I think I've got some high points as far as anger goes.

I've got some infuriating stuff in here, especially once we get into what the reality of what they're talking about is. Okay. But I just ask you in courtesy to my neighbors, try and contain yourself. Okay. I'll do my best. Recently, my anger has been very cold. It's been, I've just been reserved and furious. That's not true.

Do you disagree? Yes, I disagree. For me, I feel like. I've edited these episodes. I know exactly how much you've been yelling. I have a hard time listening to them now. Yeah, that's fair. Um, so, uh, the, the episode, I think is going to be trouble.

And so to start things off, I have an out of context drop that is delightful. You're so protective of me. I try. I love this song. He's not wrong. Finally, we agree on something. Finally, me and Alex can really come together. That's pretty delightful.

Coming out of break. Yeah. Just he's bounded down. I love it. I love it. I love it. Ah, such a human moment. We begin with something that is filled with love.

And I assume we are going to only descend from that high point into hell. Yes, indeed. Because a very, uh, Dante-esque nightmare. I will tell you this ahead of the show. I actually spoiled this in a text message between you and I earlier today. A lot of the show, uh, that Alex put on today was in reaction to the death of Charles Manson. That's why I said, I'm sure it has something to do with race war. Yes.

And, uh, uh, but that's not actually the biggest part of the race war stuff. Oh, there's another Charles Manson, not the biggest part of the race war stuff. I had a stretch where I was actually very interested in the whole Charles Manson thing. And boy, boy, howdy. Yeah. He was really afraid of black people. So that's good that you have a lot of awareness. Yes.

And knowledge about Charles Manson. Is it? Well, for this episode. Okay. Because I have a good sense of him, but I will be the first statement that I've never done a deep dive on him. Yeah. I have just read a couple of books and seen some documentaries and stuff.

That's more of a deep dive than most human beings will ever do. Right. That's more expertise. And thankfully that is the case because Alex has a narrative. Oh no. And let's start. Oh no. Let's start with, uh, how he wants to get things going, how he's going to present the

death of Charles Manson. I'm already agree. I'm Alex Jones. Thank you for joining us on this Monday, the 20th of November. Also, this is the music that's playing is the cover of Helter Skelter. Yeah. Which is a little bit. I'm guessing he couldn't get the rights to Helter Skelter on this one.

Interesting. Well, Charlie Manson of Helter Skelter is debtor to doornail. Also spoiler alert guys. I don't like to brag, but I have a hundred percented the drums on Helter Skelter on expert on rock band Beatles. I don't mean to brag. I don't mean to. All right.

All right. And I, as that came out of my mouth, I realized that's a lie. So in fact, actually you were telling the truth. You don't mean to brag. I got clearly. You did the opposite of that. I got gold stars on it. I didn't.

I didn't a hundred percent it. I got in the interest of honesty and because the person I was playing with is in the chat room. Leader murder. Charles Manson dies at 83. Now back then it was really weird and crazy to have somebody on PCP and LSD running around. Still is. Beauty Queens.

Definitely still is. And coffee barenesses. It was a big, big deal. It was shocking. But nowadays everybody's crazy. That is a Charles Manson quote paraphrased. This is the godfather of the Antifa movement. What?

This is the godfather of the modern environmental movement. This is a man that wanted 90% of the world's population to be exterminated by a world government. And a man who wanted to ignite the breakdown of civilization by causing race war, playing different ethnic and religious groups off against each other around the world in a divide and conquer strategy. The truth is Charlie Manson was inducted into a higher level CIA DARPA mind control program and inserted into the highest levels of rock and roll movies. He knew all the major folks co-wrote songs for the Beach Boys.

The list goes on and on. It was delivering large amounts of pure LSD to campuses all over California. He was selling drugs. Definitely. Then the wind up toy either went off the rails or was ordered to carry out the murders. We don't know still to this day. So what is your immediate reaction to that? I think I made that clear.

I think my immediate reaction came immediately and was very obvious was not not in favor. I'm guessing not. Okay. All right. One right. He did not try and cause a race war. He was paranoid and terrified of the race war. Right.

He thought it was going to come and one of the main things that he did was he used that paranoia to control the people inside of his cult. He wouldn't allow them to escape. He wouldn't allow them to go anywhere by stoking their fears that they would be killed if they went elsewhere. The other thing that he did was not co-write any of the Beach Boys songs. However, he hung out with them. He hung out with one of the Beach Boys.

He did not hang out with all of the Beach Boys. The rest of the Beach Boys fucking thought he was a lunatic. He really had to do with why they ended up breaking up. Yeah. One of the reasons however that he hung out with one of the Beach Boys was not because they were friends of any sort. It was because sex. He was.

Yeah. I thought it was drugs. No, no, no. He was a drug for some people. I just want to be right now. So what's this fuck? I don't remember which Beach Boy it was. Brian Wilson.

It was not Brian Wilson. David Wilson. It was not Brian. It was David Wilson. It was not David. Alex was dead. It was dead. It was Alex's dad.

I don't remember the names of the rest of the Beach Boys. No. So it was basically David Wilson just hung out at the place because Charles Manson threw women at him underage women. Sure. In case you were wondering. I wonder if Alex wants to talk about that. I don't think he does.

He doesn't. Yeah. No. He was, it was a sex cult for David Wilson and he did that. Part of the reason that he had the cult was just so he could get more people for David Wilson to have sex with. We're getting a correction. So David would still hang out with them.

We're getting a correction from the chat room. It was Stamos. John Stamos? Yeah. He stood with the Beach Boys. I know. I, oh. Okay.

All right. I'm still very angry. The point that I want to make, you know, putting aside all of the factual and accuracy. Which is all of them. The interesting thing that I have, that I run into all the time is the length that Alex will go to excuse white violence. It's, it's astounding to me that every time that there's a white person, it has to be some sort of a, you know, CIA operation gone wrong or something like that.

It's never that they actually wanted to kill people. It's never that they actually had malice, evil or anything in their hearts. It's always someone else's fault also Dennis Wilson, not David Wilson. Who cares? David Wilson was a guy who ran a film festival in my hometown and was not involved with Charles Manson. That's right. That's right.

Dennis. He was a piece of shit. He was a menace. Brian. We're off to a bad start. His old style is getting good to me. I'm furious and you're doing that. Whatever that was, you got to stop it.

I think what's going on is I know that this episode is going to make you so mad that I'm kind of like, you're trying to preemptively toss in the bits. No, I'm just trying to be like, I'm almost, I'm almost trolling at this point. It's almost just like, I'm going to have my fun. Right. I got you. I got you. That's fine.

I will try and play off of that end. I'm sorry. I'm getting a correction. It's Owen Wilson. That actually sounds right. It was drill bit Taylor. Luke. Luke would never have been involved with that.

Absolutely not. Luke actually wrote all of the best songs on pet sounds. That's true. Very strange truth. Yeah. And Future Man. I get Andrew Wilson. That was his name.

Andrew Wilson who played Future Man in Bottle Rocket. And of course, the best character in any film in history. Future Man. No. Oh. A volleyball. Oh. From Castaway.

I get it. Wilson Wilson. I get it. I just want to talk more about Future Man. What's a, I don't actually know what Future Man is. Which one is that? He was the guy who they lived with in Bottle Rocket when they were trying to plan the big rivalry.

Oh, I'm not going to lie to you. Never saw Bottle Rocket. He, he, uh, uh, but, but, but, but, but, but, but Owen Wilson has a yellow jumpsuit on and Future Man pulls up in a Jeep and he makes fun of him. Look at this guy. He looks like a little banana. To this day, one of the funniest lines, cause afterwards, after he drives away, Owen Wilson is like, Future Man's so cool.

Anyway. Quick question. Bottle Rocket. Quick question. Love Bottle Rocket. Okay. Probably was Anderson's best movie. Really?

Don't fucking come at me, chat room. All right. That's, that's going on the list of things Dan finds reasonable. I think Bottle Rocket is very reasonable. Let's move along. All right. Enough of this Wilson. All right.

Let's get down to this. I'm sure he has got his finger on the pulse of the sixties. He wants to talk about the, uh, the, the, the environment that people were living in in the sixties and what was taboo and what have you, uh, and, uh, it's devil worship. Nothing I love more than a guy who grew up in the seventies telling me what happened in the sixties. Uh, this is, this is about devil worship and it goes off the rails pretty fast. But it was big and bad and evil in the 1960s to the Puritan America devil worship.

But if you could get people to worship the devil, to have sex with super hot movie stars, while next it was, we need you to kill somebody. And that's what Charlie Manson was about. He was one MK ultra tentacle that went sideways and they used it to create the whole new popular culture where it's so cool to be walked out of your brain, a shaman who knows everything and can do everything and has got your cult of trendies that go from being hippies to being cold-blooded murders. That's always what it is.

First thing you get peace and love and nirvana and y'all can do anything and all of a sudden, but there's a price to pay. There's always a Dracula in the shadow. So hold on one second, we got a couple of problems. Is he saying that Charles Manson was used to incite the 60s to violence? Because as the narrative goes, literally for everyone else, Charles Manson was the end of the 60s. Yeah.

Charles Manson was the story where everybody goes, oh, the flower child bullshit is over. We got to figure shit out. Yeah. Yeah. To a great extent. Because that was like 69, right? Yeah. It was the beginning of the 70s.

It was kind of trash. Yeah. Ken Keezy's eulogy for the 60s heavily features Charles Manson. Yeah. Well, I think Alex's conception is best I can tell from having listened to all of it and the connective tissue that's not really in a lot of these clips because it's boring is that he believed that Charles Manson was a guy who was a bag man. He was a drug guy and he was trying to get people into drugs and then compromise them

into devil worship and then. But not even the family. He's not even talking about the family. He's talking about like he says specifically there's one Charles Manson at every campus around America and Charles Manson was just the one that went wrong. He went off the reservation and Alex will explain what that means in a little bit. You have a question. I see you raising your hand.

I have time for one question. All right. No follow-ups. University of Missouri. Who is your Charles Manson? I think it was this guy named Gabe. He was real. Wilson.

Yeah. Yeah. Real weird. He he would walk around with a big effigy of George Bush bleeding. He was strange. You know what? I'm going to go. I'm going to go with that's fine.

Yeah. I don't think he had a cult though. Did he? No. No. Generally people on that side of things don't you got to start low. He was a student for action group or something like that. So there was he did have a following.

Well then you know he fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. So on that picture of George Bush bleeding. No. No. No.

Not a picture effigy. It was like a giant. It was an effigy. It was a giant. Oh well then he just had sex with the effigy. That's clear. It's entirely possible. That's entirely true.

So in this in this next clip while discussing all this devil worship in the 60s, Alex accidentally gave us a bit of a confession about what his version of Christianity is. Oh boy. And what he looks to. And let's see. The whole revolution you're seeing is French Revolution part two. They saw we were launching ours in 1776 for the real. The real.

New Atlantis. No. For Sir Francis Bacon. The real Rosa Crucian order. Christianity. Oh. And they created their counterfeit, which is just every flavor of rebellion, death, degradation. And it's all about psychopathic men being able to have women and others programmed and

under their control to do horrible things. Think about exactly that. Oh, you're a psychopathic man who is obsessed with subjugating women. Oh yeah. And I also wanted to say at the end of that last clip, we kind of got off track, but he said something that, you know, Charles Manson, there's always a Dracula in the background or whatever. Like fucking look at David Koresh, you dumbass.

Like he based his career. He started his career building like a new church at the site of the Branch Davidians and loves Waco. All right. Loves David Koresh. All that shit. This is where you find up something weird about me. Huge David Koresh fan.

Interesting. Huge David Koresh fan. I love the way his name is David Koresh. Love the way he was Jesus. Okay. Reincarnated. That's true. Everybody knows that.

Yeah. Strangely enough, I'm fine with everything he did. Cool. Moving along. Not true. Of course not. Not true. But Alex is very apologetic about David Koresh.

And it's like, hey, if you, if you can't. He is. You can't. He is. You can't be. He is. That's not a thing you can be. It's tough.

But anyway, he's into esoteric Christianity. I do, I do like the degree of difficulty on that though. You got like, okay, it's like in the Olympics, you know, anybody can do a straight dive, make it look pretty good. Your degree of difficulty score way down. Sure. If you can defend David Koresh, your degree of difficulty is way up there. You already start a little ahead.

Even if you fail. Yeah. Even if you fail, you still got bonus points starting off. There's no doubt about that. But at the same time, he does not nail the landing. No, of course not. It's a disaster. He belly flops and explodes.

I mean, just the entire pool just explodes around him. He just goes on and on about like Janet Reno killed him. Janet Reno did kill him. Right. He's not wrong. Right. But that's not the most important piece. That's not the most important David Koresh information.

So esoteric Christianity though. Yes. Have you done any research into esoteric Christianity? I have not done any research into. My theories about Gnosticism are pretty close to right. He's not talking about Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity, right? He might be. He calls Thomas Jefferson a classical liberal and he calls himself a classical liberal all

the time. Jefferson's version of Christianity is so logical, as you would say. That's not this. He removed all of the pretend parts of the Bible. Oh, no, no. Hey, you know that. He's not talking about that. That Jesus guy.

He said some cool shit. Those miracles. Bullshit. He's not talking about like the Gospel of Thomas or something like that where it's just all the miracles not there. Right. Yeah. All that shit.

Okay. Sayings and stuff. Right. No, no, no. No. Yeah. Most like versions of esoteric Christianity, a lot of the interpretations that this is just one of my favorite pieces of it.

Okay. Most of the interpretations of it are like, don't come. That's what a lot of it boils down to is like the tree of wisdom of good and evil is an orgasm. The fruit of the tree of good and evil is an orgasm. And so you should never come. It's so weird how all religions are obsessed with sex. Yeah.

Yeah. So obsessed with controlling and regulating sex. Yeah. Because it's such a powerful force. Right. Well, and it's not a bad idea. Like if you're trying to get people to channel all of that, look, it's why you so frequently see con men with the food stuff, right?

Because it is another base urge that you have. Right. You get someone to control that through your system, then you're way more likely to control them. Well, and the, I mean, the other thing is if everybody's getting late all the time, nobody's going to work as hard, you know, like you got, you got a lot of the, you got a lot of the need satisfied. You're just going to kind of chill out.

Whereas if everybody is repressed and sexual, you're going to build the Sistine Chapel. Yeah. You know, it's that kind of bullshit. Sure. Sublimation of sexual energy. Exactly. Yeah. So anyway, that's why the aliens built the pyramids.

Indeed. So Alex Jones is into esoteric Christianity, which is weird as shit. But at least we finally have an admission that it's not real Christianity. No, of course not. Not mainline Christianity. I think we all knew about that. But it's nice to hear. Not even biblical Christianity.

But it's nice to hear it from his mouth. Yeah. And then straight up, he might believe in like the lost books of the Bible and forgotten books of Eden. He might be into the apocrypha, the pseudepigrapha. He might be into all of these like banished books. There's some good shit in the apocrypha. The apocrypha is, no, and I'm not talking about any kind of like logic or reason or even

just books. They're just, they're great comic books. Like I would, if you had an illuminated text of the, of Jesus fighting dragons and murdering kids when he was a kid, that's some good shit. Absolutely. I would definitely read that. All right. Like I said, I just like to hear it out of his mouth and I'm excited about that.

Now let's go back to, let's go back to Manson. No. So, you know, Manson killed Sharon Tate. You know that? Yeah. I heard. Alex knows that too. Wait, what?

And that's where all the information to purchase. That'd be funny if I was like, I spent a long time researching myths and other, wait, he did what? Holy shit. Are you shitting me? This guy was a murderer? I take back everything. So he, that those are the, probably the only two things, like the only thing we're going

to agree with him in this next clip, but he has a sort of an alternate explanation of also he's, he got the French revolution wrong. He got the American revolution wrong. He got all of the revolutions wrong. No, it was about esoteric Christianity, baby. That could be. All right. So here we go.

Let's, let's talk Tate. Talking Tate. That's our new podcast. Talking Tate. Charlie Manson was jealous of the cult above him. He was getting kicked out of that cult. They weren't being nice to him anymore. So what'd he do?

He would never be killed. They're high priestess. He told people he did too. He went and killed their goddess. He went and killed who they thought was the number one woman in the Hollywood cult of Roman Polanski and others while he was out of town. They killed her and they killed his baby. They showed him what would happen if Charlie Manson didn't get to stay in the cult.

I don't call you Charlie Manson. Charlie Manson created a list of people that weren't partying with him anymore and weren't you know, buying his LSD anymore and he went in there and he killed him. And that my friends is the rest of the story. Charlie little man Manson. Is that where it ends? Alex thinks he's Garrison Keeler or something like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Also, I like how he just takes Manson's word for it. He told people. So of course Manson was telling the truth. But I think that's probably in reference to things that he did say about like wanting to kill a celebrity because there'd be more attention and she was a huge movie star.

Yeah. Like that sort of thing. It's not like she's the goddess of a Illuminati cult or something like that that he wants to he keeps saying that like at this point, Charles Manson is a Renfield, but he wants to be a Dracula. So he acts like a Dracula and kills their high priestess and it's like, okay, that's well, then it doesn't he meet all the requirements of being a Dracula? And that's why he went prison for the rest of his life and never said any of this stuff.

It's like, no, he was a paranoid, coke addled, fame whore who just wanted people to like him. Right. Inexplicably, that was how he chose to do it. Like he was he was such an insane person. And at the same time, his motivations are so understandable. If you just get into where it was that he came from. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you know how he's saying that he's reasonable. No. Just checking. No. Just checking for our records. No. Well, it's like how serial killers like so many times you find out serial killers were raped, his children, right?

He did. And they're and they've been. They have man's history of like like boarding houses and shit like I'm going to prison as a kid. Yeah. He was he was definitely sexually abused from the moan from the jump. Yeah. Yeah.

Like he was he was fucked up to start with also like five foot four. Very short man. That's no good. Such a short, short man. Yeah. That's that's super weird. Those people. Those people.

I mean, I know this guy Randy. He told me they have no reason to live. Randy Paul. Short man. Short people. No. All right. Oh boy.

Let's move it along. So in this next clip, Alex discusses how the, these drugs are too strong. He's saying that there are, there's like marijuana's that are going around that are hallucinogenic. Did you just say marijuana's? Yeah. Does he say marijuana's? More or less. Yeah.

But you said marijuana. I might have been putting a little English on it. I might have been trying to get fancy. Got a little spin. Got a little draw on that. Might have been. But so he talks about that and then talks about like psychotropic drugs, medicinals, and then he gets sidetracked in a weird deconstruction of his own voice kind of.

It's very, it's very strange. It'll make sense in a minute. Let's get in. This is a very, very serious situation and is part of a larger operation to put you into a near dream state so that you're not really conscious. Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream, merely, merely, merely, merely life is but a dream. If I wanted to come on this show and talk to you like they do on NPR to put you into

a trance, I could do it. But on purpose, I have a grating voice to get you out of your coma, to shake you free out of it. So you're revealing that your voice is bullshit? If I wanted to, I could talk just as sweet and just as pretty as all these fake people, but I don't do that. Are you trying to? I'll let you hear my real voice and it's everything they hate.

It's masculine. It's grating. It's like an alarm in the night. It's like a Marine Corps drill sergeant, but I'm not copying a Marine Corps drill sergeant. Drill sergeants are trying to encompass the classic status of a male instructing people in serious, dangerous things that affect their life so people listen, so they understand what's going on. So you've been warned, so if you've got what it takes, you'll listen.

If you don't, you were warned. We did our job. And we'll be back in just about five minutes. We are going to play you some very lovely music right now. And that is how the Glaw! So I don't actually have any, that's stupid, Alex just gets lost in his own bullshit. I enjoy that. That's bananas.

At the end of the show, Matt Dubier from the quote unquote Chicago affiliate is supposed to host the fourth hour, but I think Alex doesn't trust him to host. Because of course not. He cuts into the time and just rambles about how the globalists aren't having kids because they don't want kids down in their underground arcs and stuff like that. I was like, it's too, it's too nonsensical, but it's, I wanted to bring it up. That sounds fun. That sounds more fun than what we're about to talk about.

I'm assuming. Because we're going back to Manson. Oh, okay. So, you know what? I'm going to be honest with you. I'm actually kind of interested in, I'm actually very fascinated in what his take already is on Manson and how it's going to go from here. Because again, that was like, I'm a huge, I'm a huge nerd about certain types of things

like that. So it's going to be fun. And let me be perfectly clear. This isn't the stuff I expected you to yell about. That's later. God damn you. The Manson stuff I figured would be frustrated by, but also at the same time, like what a dick.

Yeah. In this, in this next clip, Alex makes his narrative about Charles Manson a bit more robust. He starts to try and deal with the idea that Charles Manson had environmental leanings. And he basically says that he was a globalist. Well, he already called him a CIA agent, so he's got to be part of the globalist empire. He's basically saying that he's a proto-globalist and also a proto-antifa. Well, he's the grandfather of Antifa.

He's the grandfather of Antifa. Yes, absolutely. He had first-hand knowledge of globalist plans. That doesn't sound right. No. Charlie Manson is only just one guy. They put into things and he wrote not just one, but several songs with the Beach Boys and other bands.

True. And he got to know. Brian Wilson was hit through with Dennis Brougham. He got to learn not just from the CIA and the drugs he was being given, but from all the different cults in Hollywood, how things ran and who really ran the world and what the plan was. So, when you hear a guy that probably took LSD over a thousand times, looking completely insane, looking like a cross between a homeless person and a guru, gibbering all this.

You say, where's he? Get it? He got it directly from their battle plan. So, go ahead. Mm-hmm. All right. Yeah. I'm listening.

True. Right. Troubling. Well, if not true, which it is not, the globalists have an incredibly bad plan. Right. His fear of what the world was going to be, yes, he thought 90% of people were going to die in a race war, which by the way, that is his fears of stuff are, I actually recently watched in Bruges.

There's a part where the dwarf or a little person. Dinklage? No, it wasn't Dinklage. Wow. I thought it was Dinklage at first. It wasn't him. I'm just guessing. I've never seen it.

No, it might as well be. It's a little person. Gotta be Dinklage. Right. You would think. Yeah. But he has a cocaine binge where he explains how there is going to be a race war and that's based off of Manson's ideas.

Well, there's a bunch of Charlie Pride songs too. Exactly. There's a lot of neo-Nazi shit about how there's going to be a race war. But the point being, no, that's a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to think. It's not even the race war part. It's also Alex talking about the idea of like climate change and saving the environment. It's all of those things that seem incongruous to a... That would have been a tertiary result of that plan where it to actually go around.

You kill 90% of the people on the planet. I'm going to tell you this, climate's going to improve. So in some ways, I do respect Charlie Manson's plans. Don't call him Charlie. How can you not? So in this... Now that we're also familiar with him. Also here we go.

This next clip lays out what I mean. It's not just the race war stuff. This is what Alex is talking about. They had Charlie Manson types who were the gurus over the universities in every city. And again, that was somebody if things went wrong, could be destroyed. And the reason I mention all that is coming up in the next segment, I'm going to play a bunch of clips with Charlie Manson and you're going to go, wait a minute, this is everything the Democrats and Al Gore and Antifa and George Soros says.

Now this plan backfires. This plan backfires when Alex starts playing some clips. Yeah. And they kind of sound more like him. He doesn't address that at all. But we will... I would imagine not. I would imagine not.

We'll address that here in a second. But in the meantime, Alex starts talking about globalists and just sort of generally discussing what they are about and spreading some fears. Right, right. And I have some thoughts on the other side. And that's what we're dealing with folks is a bunch of pedophile devil worshipers today. Because now it's not sick enough to just have sex with hot chicks on altars. That's just the entryway into it.

That actually sounds fun. It gets much worse, the blood drinking. But that's not enough. You've got to ship out factor eight to millions of people with HIV and hepatitis in it. We address that. And give it to everybody. It's not what they're doing. And you've got to legalize given blood.

If you've got HIV in California to spread that, that's human sacrifice. And you've got to sexualize children in a young age and you've got to give them fluoride and you've got to give them Prozac and you've got to give them Ritalin and you've got to bombard them with GMO. You've got to slowly sacrifice the whole planet. So that's the globalists and you know who's sexualizing children at a young age these days. Roy Moore.

Yeah. Well, and not just that, but the entire homeschooled evangelical community. Like one of the big things that they do is they create these child marriages in order to once again, subjugate women. And in order for like that way, your father has complete control over your future. And the weirdest thing about it. The purity balls and shit. Yeah.

The weirdest thing about it is that you're betrothed, you're supposed to be betrothed like that and married at like 15. But before you actually move in with your husband, your dad is supposed to teach you for a few years what your duties are. Like it's batshit insane out there. There are a bunch of dudes who go around and give these talks at evangelical meetings and conferences that are all vaguely like, you know, this is what women are supposed to do.

And then later on, people are like, wait, are you talking about 14 year olds and they stop getting invited as much? It's very uncomfortable. It's not good. More what I wanted to bring up is that what he's talking about there, drinking blood, the globalists are drinking blood. That's the blood libel. That's anti semitism.

Yeah. But you know what? Where are they getting it? From the children. You know, if they're just getting it from like blood vans, I think I'm fine with that. They're not doing that. Oh, okay. That's not in the, but that's that's classical anti semitism.

That's blood libel. Right. That's all that is. That's all that he's using to define the globalists. This idea of misinterpreting stories to say that they're trying to taint blood supplies. Right. Whether it be through HIV or hepatitis, whatever, which is not the case in those stories. We've already talked about that or the putting the fluoride in the water.

All of that are examples of poisoning the well, which is another form of archaic anti semitism. Yeah. All of this stuff that Alex talks about with the globalists, all of these fears trace back for, uh, in the most part, a few, a few millennia back to like about 1100 or so. Yeah. And it's pathetic. And the fact that the people don't see through that, uh, is troubling.

And it true. It's troubling and true. Yeah. Um, so in this next clip, Alex wants you to not be afraid. Oh, good. Cause he's been stoking my fears for a while now. You spoke too soon. He wants you to not be afraid of the fluoride in the water much anymore.

Oh, that's good. Yeah. Because they're, it's at a low enough level, although we have found in China, there are levels of fluoride that are perhaps damaging. No, no, no, no. It's not in America though. It's cause he's been unless you live in Flint, he's been spread in the word. And so the globalists know that people know.

And so now there's a new fear. They've got studies out on what you can do with these systems. Birds will just fall out of trees and won't care if ants eat them. They can make you just go to sleep, flip the switch. Everybody just, whoa, lies down. You don't think the Pentagon done one those type of weapons and you don't think the globalists that put fluoride in the water and all the rest of the stuff to hurt us wouldn't use that.

And that's, they know we know about fluoride now and the adjuvants in the water and they're moving away from that program because they know most of you are filtering your water and they're going to electromagnetic. Is he going to pivot? Just like Dr. Nick Beggage just said, we should get back on the show very, very soon. He said, forget the chemicals, Alex. That's the child's play. Because they have to, you know, get into your body.

They're going with 5G technology. So this is Hamamoto. So, so we're going on full, full cell phones are going to kill you. Yes. Gotcha. And Dr. Group has been doing a good job of like trying to spin these narratives on the show lately. Um, this is like, I don't like the way you said that Dr. Hamamoto.

My favorite crazy. Yes. Your favorite crazy. He has spouted a lot of this shit. And Alex brings up Hamamoto's source as well, Dr. Nick Beggage, who we've gone over is not a doctor. I mean, Dr. Hamamoto has a lot of those classic traits that he was describing about university gurus and the like, a little bit, a little bit, but Nick Beggage is not a doctor.

He has his degree. Dr. Nick Beggage, isn't a doctor. He has a fake degree from a Sri Lankan university. It is fake. It is a fake diploma. There we go. He's just making up all this shit about electromagnetic waves and what have you. It's just complete pseudoscience.

Woo. Shit. Do you think I could get one of those Sri Lankan degrees? Totally. I'll write you up. Sweet. Yeah. Could you draw it in crayon too?

I have a fucking diploma mill that I run. How do you think? Do you rent? Yeah. This show's not making enough money. Now I was a big fan of your cryptocurrency. Dan coin. Dan coin.

But, but if you got a diploma mill, I like one that you're expanding your revenue streams. That's always important. They're called Danplomas. Totally. Totally. That's like four different puns you've made already. I'm in a weird mood. Your, your pun ratio is high today.

I think I'm just trying to prepare you for what's, what's to come. God damn it, Dan. It's not good. Why are you doing this to me? This guy who comes on his show later is like, is deeply troubling. Oh boy. And we'll get to it in a minute. But before we do, it turns out there's big news in terms of the world and how we're all

going to be forced to live. You know, one of the big problems I have with his hatred of the theoretical university gurus in the 60s was that generally speaking, all of them, all of them were trying their best to react to what they saw as the 50s and the way that the Eisenhower era destroyed women. Like that's exactly what they were going for. Unfortunately, a lot of them continued that in a different direction. But one of the big things that they were trying to do was create a more expansive society and allow people to open up their, their minds in the same way that Ken Keezy and the electric

Kool-Aid acid test would go around and do that. And it's, it's frustrating to me that you would malign them for the wrong reasons. Like they are deserving of much malignment for many other reasons. I think to a certain extent, what you look at is like a macro version of someone who's going through therapy. You know, something like that where like, let's say that you are really buttoned up and never speak your mind. And you get therapy about speaking up for yourself and being assertive and all that.

And on the way to health, you will probably scream at somebody. You'll probably on the path to getting better, you'll do something wrong or you'll go too far. And perhaps the 60s in a response to the 50s, the therapy of getting people help and trying to fix the woes of society, you end up, you end up metaphorically screaming at somebody. And one of the biggest groups or one of the biggest influences of so many of those gurus was the burgeoning therapeutic community at the time. Right. There were so many, like again, I'm going to bring up Ken Keezy because he's one of the

great chroniclers of why it was that the 60s all went wrong. And his disillusionment when the 70s rolled around after he did time in Mexico. Right. All of that stuff was very fascinating in that he did start to kind of deconstruct how many of those therapists were basing themselves off of false science. I'm assuming the chat room is going wild for Celine. Yeah, I'm liking that. Don't mention it.

She just wants attention. But I mean, it is something that comes out of that. And the way that he's portraying these people is so wrong because they did so many wrong things. Yeah. And if you're doing, and he's missing the point because the things that they did wrong are the things that he supports himself. Right. Whereas he's creating this false reality by Celine.

By Celine. What an asshole. She's just making a drop in cameo. Yeah. That's what Celine is doing today. She's the best. Oh, man. The worst and the best simultaneously.

No, it's, it's, I don't know. I don't know what to, I don't know how far to go in, in why it is that Charlie Manson. Now I'm doing it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Repetitively. Yeah, I know. Charles Manson, you could, you could make a lot of arguments that Charles Manson was

an offshoot of the worst tendencies of the 60s. At the same time, you could make a lot of arguments that serial killers going to serial kill. Right. Yeah. They're going to happen in any era. Yeah. And just the, the particular details of them or what, what are the traffic?

Yeah. The trappings have nothing to do with nothing. Yeah. So anyway, let's get to this next clip. Okay. Cause I feel like we wandered down, down a road. Alex is the Zoya killer. And Celine completely distracted me from whatever point we were trying to make.

I completely lost track the moment I saw her. Um, so in, uh, I, I, I think I tried to start setting up this. And I interrupted you, which means everybody gets to drink this weekend. There's a big news about the world and religion. There's a big news. Yeah. They announced this weekend. They're going to have a one world religion based on worshiping AI and everyone will have

to submit to it. Other religions will be banned. Okay. I think I might be okay with that. Any other religion and you've got to just make them all one big thing. Just like they tell you in the movie, Tron, everything is them telling the big giant mainframe. It's grabbing in all of the programs. Yep.

Put him on the grid, let him play for a while and then blow him away. Impression. Not a good one. Something different about this one. The new church of the AI God is even creepier than I imagine. CNET says, what did Elon Musk warn you in the last few months? He goes, watch out for tech leaders coming out and saying AI gods. I can't get into it.

I've signed non-disclosures, but it's dangerous. We're all in danger. We're all in danger. On the left side, I can't wait to marriage with it. Now don't say mother and father. Masculinity's bad. So we're back to that. We're back to that from 2015.

We're all the way back there, huh? Oh boy. And then also he's completely lying about Elon Musk. Yeah. Elon Musk subtweeted a guy. Yeah. There's a guy who's as probably a goof. Yeah.

Or some side of sort of publicity stunt is starting a church to worship the AI Godhead. All of which is most likely a tongue-in-cheek bullshit kind of idea. Yeah. And Elon Musk tweeted, you are not the person of all the people who shouldn't be making a religion or something along those lines. Right. Right. Complete bullshit.

Yeah. There's a texturing dialogue in one of the most disgraceful ways there. Right. I signed a nondisclosure agreement. Oh, it's coming. It's dangerous. Brrr. Now the fascinating thing about that.

How pathetic is that? The fascinating thing about that is that AI would be the closest thing that we've ever come to that is actually a real God. Right. Like that's a fascinating idea. Like perhaps a religion should develop around an AI. Yeah. And you know, the way that technology expands exponentially or it progresses not on a non-linear

fashion, like what we will end up having. A geometric progression. Yeah. We'll have access to within the next like 15, 20 years in terms of the growth of technology is like, it's almost unpredictable. Yeah. And some people's models, some futurist models are insanely like, you know, just everything being able to communicate with each other, all with all knowledge, all centralized.

I don't know. A self-learning, self-perpetuating computer would be omniscient essentially. Yeah. I mean, I would be fine with, I mean, I have some questions about AI, quite frankly. Like I always think about this. Like can it swim? That is one good question. Yeah.

Second question. After we figure that one out. Would a thinking robot, like if you could really sincerely have them be able to respond to commands and do rudimentary work or whatever. Full on past the Turing test, are you saying? Sure. Something along those lines. Would they be capable of experiencing boredom?

That is a very good question. Because that is a line. Because that's a line for me. Well, here's the thing. If they were capable of experiencing boredom, they would experience boredom at the same exponential level. So one second of boredom for something along those lines would be infinite. And the search for robot novelty would be insane.

Oh, yeah. The way that we deal with boredom is generally through vice or through novelty. We find something interesting and like, oh, that's weird. For a robot, especially an omniscient robot, novelty could be. Now we're getting into an episode of Futurama where Bender goes on a Bender. Or Black Mirror. Yeah. So that's the future.

Yes. But now let's go to the past. All right. Alex Jones has something he wants to say about the past. And then I'm going to have some pretty serious rebuttals afterwards. Okay. Okay, let me get right back to the edge. So the scientific elite starting in the 1850s in Britain with the governing system of the

world at that time being the British Empire. So let's just stop there. No. So he's saying that the British Empire was the ruling system of the world in the 1850s. Now let me tell you. Let me tell you what was going on. Is he going to go in the 1850s? Let me, I pulled together.

It's a bad history. I pulled together a list of some of the things that were going on in the 1850s that were not much to do with the British Empire being the rulers of the world. Scientific elites. Well, first of all, we got the American West was being explored like California was becoming a state. Manifest destiny. Expansionism had taken over.

Yeah. The Monroe Doctrine. Imperial Russia was on the march. Who would have guessed? There's a war in Crimea. Yeah. Well, it's old as new again. Yeah.

The Ottoman Empire was still in play. They were kicking ass in the 1850s. They were kind of on their way down, but they were still at a great range of power. Right. The Jing Dynasty is going strong in China for another 60 years after this. Really? The Jing Dynasty, Q-I-N-G. That's Qing.

Qing. That's what I thought. Anyway. So like those are some of the things that are going on. And oh, also there was the Indian mutiny against British rule. Yeah. There was dealing with some of that shit. There was the opium wars were going on.

Yeah. Which was Britain's fault. Britain was not. The colonial British system was not ruling the world. It was. Anyway, back then. It was like dead center of the complete collapse of the British colonial system. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So Alex is, Alex is. I mean, we're talking when Haiti and the Dominican Republic started fighting back against, yeah. He hasn't even presented his thesis and he's wrong. He's just given like the setting and like, no. Although I am. Correct.

I am wrong. That was pre American Revolution. Fair enough. Haiti and the Dominican Republic. That's Haiti. Haiti? Yeah. Made the decision to establish world government.

So. In the 1850s. Yes. The British government, the scientific elite, in the British government, the colonial British government, the empire that was running the world back then, decided they needed global government in 1850. Could have swore they thought of that one a long time before that. In 1850, they just invented a sewing machine.

Hey, don't knock that. That was very hard to do. No, it's cool. It's cool. It's cool. But the scientific elite were not doing all that much in 1850. No. True world government, not just empire.

And they decided to use science to do it and always be so ahead of everybody else that they couldn't be defeated, not just militarily, but culturally. They had barely understood pasteurization. Where there aren't any families anymore. People are programmable. That's the final revolution is what the globalist technocrats call it. And they've written books. They've written white papers.

They have conferences. They had a consensus 160 years ago. They didn't. You know what he's talking about? I figured it out. What? Charles Darwin wrote The Origin of the Species in 1850. That's it.

I think that's it. That's what he's really talking about. I think that's it. Okay. I think that's the only thing he's talking about because that's like the scientific shit he hates. Right. The idea of, I guess, the origin of the species is a white paper.

Evolution. Or whatever. He hates evolution. Well, if you're an esoteric Christian, you have to hate evolution. Of course. Yeah. That has to be number one on the list. That's legitimately the only thing I can think of that was relevant in 1850s.

You know, the Western world that he could be talking about. Well, I don't know my history, but I'm pretty sure that's when they found out heliocentricity. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Really? No. Okay.

I was like, that seems off. That seems off. That shows. That shows how dumb I am. But I kind of, I kind of feel like Alex is still mad about that too. Oh, definitely. That shows how much I trust you that you gave me a second of like, hold on now. So earlier, Alex said that he was going to play some clips of Charles Manson and that

they were going to show the Charles Manson, Charlie, if you're nasty, he is like Antifa. He is like the Democrats and he is like Al Gore. Here's the first clip. Here's the first clip. Charles Manson is like Al Gore. Here's the first clip, which he specifically says is like Al Gore. Let's listen to it and see if it sounds like Al Gore. All right.

So here it is. Charles Manson. No, reality is they did what they did. They're responsible for their own actions. I'm responsible for my actions. Let's talk about the family. I've come off the clothes a few times. Come on.

Didn't you? Come on. I ain't lying to you. If you think I'm lying to you, wasting my time in your time. Okay. Let's not look Al Gore. There's no reason to. There's no reason to.

Why are you guilty of that? I'm guilty of, what am I guilty of? I'm guilty of thinking that I had rights in a courtroom. That sounds like Al. That sounds a lot like that. All of this is Al. My father's died in all the mother wars I thought. I stand in the courtroom and tell the judge it'd be all over in 15, 20 minutes.

I'm busy. I got some appointments and it started making money. Whoa. Money takes precedence. They want to put me down on the ground for the money. As long as they make the money, they don't care who did it. Who did it's not important. That sounds like Al Gore.

And if I had done it, it'd be worse than if, than if I hadn't. Okay. Consider. I don't understand. Yeah. Well, consider. I tell you like this. Yeah.

I, I, I chopped up nine homes and I'm going to chop up some more of your mother. I'm going to kill you as many as I can. I'm going to pile you up to the sky. 50 million. If I can get about 50 million of you, I might be able to save my trees and my air and my water and my wildlife. Do I tell 50 million people? Well, that's, that's just a drop in the bucket to what's really coming.

Yeah, that's just a drop in the bucket to what's really coming. And we know bio weapon, plague releases, you name it. You've got electromagnetic systems. You can flip the switch. People just go to sleep. There'll be a bunch of skeletons. They got to come in a few months to clean up. This is where normally, now I know you don't have enough time.

If, if we had, if we weren't doing this episode live, I feel like you would have spent an entire weekend on that one clip and just gone like sentence by sentence through Manson. Yeah. Yeah. Sentence by sentence through Manson pulled together a clip of Alex saying the exact same fucking thing. I don't even need to cause at the end there, he's like, yep, we know.

Yeah. It's basically him being like, Manson, you get it. Yeah. Like, no, he's crazy. He, he's saying that stuff about, you know, 50 million people and all that in response to being antagonized by this interviewer. He's not saying that like, I believe this. He's saying it to shock the guy.

Yeah. And none of that sounds like Al Gore except for, I guess Al Gore likes trees. I, you should save the trees. Yeah. So there's that. Now here's exhibit B. Alex Jones believes that. Charles Manson is super into a one world government. Okay.

Charles Manson wants a one world government. Here it is. Man doesn't back up to his fear. He goes straight into his fear. We've got to get a one world government. We've got to have it, man. This is just the bombed out little drug delivery guy CIA who heard all this, you know, the Satan orgies and is now up here being our guru.

He's just repeating it when what's he look like an inbred method. He looks like an Antifa Dudney. We're going to come back with more of these clips. Ladies and gentlemen, but this is who we're facing. This is who we're dealing with. Now before I go any further. Fuck you. If you don't support us, George Soros will win.

God damn it. If you don't support us, George Soros will win. Cheers to everybody. There we go. Now he pivots to an ad not just on like be afraid. It's our enemies are God damn Charles Manson. Yep. When accidentally like him playing these things, it's very clear that sounds a lot

like Alex. It sounds exactly like it sounds very similar. It's freakishly similar. The one world government thing isn't like Alex at all. But at the same time, like back in the 60s, the idea of a unified world government was a very popular idea. Yeah. It's not like he was the only person who ever espoused that.

That was a pretty big hippie idea. That was one of the and it was also coincidentally the time when the UN was maybe the most popular it is. It's ever been. Yeah. Like that was, that was shortly after. Because they were afraid. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. That was shortly after the end of World War Two and the Cold War was just really starting to ramp up and all of the proxy wars were just really starting to begin. There was the hope of being able to avoid stuff like Vietnam in the future. Yeah.

Exactly. Through UN action. Yeah. And it's entirely possible that at that point in time had we had a one world government, maybe we wouldn't have done that. You sound like Charlie. Ah. So here's the, oh, Vietnam, Charlie.

Oh boy. Anyway, here's the next clip. I prefer spider leadership. In the next clip, Alex, I don't even know what point he's trying to make, but it doesn't work. Here he is talking about manmade global warming in 1987. Here's Charles Manson. Try to stop the Vietnam war.

And I did it. And all the things I did, I did without breaking the law because your law 1776. What the fuck? What the fuck? Why would you play that clip, Alex? What the fuck? Why would you do that?

That's insane. He said your slogan. So anyway, it goes on from here, but it is definitely worth stopping. Alex is the least self aware person in the history of the world. He is like, I, he's really fucking lucky that it flashed away from his face on video. Cause I, there had to be a moment where he's like, Oh, I really should have listened to these clips before.

Cause what he's doing is he's just playing the clips that Paul Joseph Watson put in an article on info war using Paul Joseph Watson is starting to troll Alex. He might be. I think he might be working on an exit strategy. Yeah, I think that'd be smart. Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about how he, like Charles Manson was an environmentalist and all that.

And he just cherry picked these, these tiny little pieces from interviews without looking at the big picture. But anyway, listen to the rest of this fucking thing. We already got the 1776. Listen to how much he sounds like Alex throughout the rest of this. There's so much. It's going 6,000 miles an hour. And you're reading books that was written on the back of horses.

White papers. Why don't you tell the public what's really going on? White papers. Why don't you tell them the water is so bad the fish can't live in it. Why don't you tell them that the polar caps are melding because you're creating so much heat with this machine. You see what I'm saying? 1987 interview.

He steadfastly refused to admit guilt or show any remorse for his actions. You won't face the fact that there's a holy war moving upon the planet Earth. You couldn't see the blood splattered all over the walls. They say you want to blame one guy for it. I've seen it. I witnessed it go by. I've seen the children what they were trying to do. And I was sympathetic with them.

But you might say I'm a devil in this respect that I never broke will or entered into anyone's circle with breaking will in any respect. Wow. Alex Jones constantly talks about free association. Wow. Wow. However, I just watch this flow downstream from your words as Mr. Emmons quotes them in this book.

It's clear that you were guilty of murder. And yet he says in all his conversations with you, he never heard you express remorse. Have you never felt it? Remorseful. What do people have done everything in the world? Doesn't that give me equal right? I can do anything I want to you people at any time I want to because that's what you've done to me.

Alex believes that all of his actions are justified. Whatever. Whatever they're doing is what they say we're doing. Yeah. If you spit in my face and smack me in the mouth and throw me in solitary confinement for nothing, what do you think is going to happen when I get out of here? What do you think is going to happen to you? The things that you create in here.

Hi, Maris. So there you go. If you go out on the street and look at the Antifa people. Are you looking at the average leftist at the Hillary event that we just said a nice reporter out to cover? Yeah. Her face screaming and her attacking her, flipping her off, grabbing the microphone. They all have that trashiness to that, that, that stupidity to them, that glaze in their

eyes. There's nothing there. They're just kind of broadcasting the corrupt spirit of the world. They're not themselves. They're so. That's a great way to respond to that clip because he can't deal with the content of it. No, of course.

Hold on now. I think the biggest reveal though is not all of the shit that he said that is exactly what Alex says. Right. Or very similar. And, and especially like that, you know, lick, if they come after me, I'll kick everybody's ass. And you're like, Alex, that's, that's you.

That's you. You have flashback to him screaming at Adam. Yeah. You have these paranoid fantasies of somebody attacking you, which will then give you the right to do whatever it is you want, you know, you have. Yeah. The biggest thing though that I felt was a huge reveal is, listen, I'm not a devil, but I'm a devil in some way, which is about the evil.

Exactly. Oh, yeah. Which is such an Alex thing of like, Hey, I'm not perfect. Yeah. I have a, so I have evil inside of me. And I'll tell you how I know the good. Exactly. Yeah.

Exactly. That's to me so much of what Alex is. There's, there's so much there. And then also. All right. Quick question. Yeah. Did Charles Manson die?

Yes. Or yes. Did he? Turn into teeth. Pretend to be Bill Hicks for a long time. Okay. And then pretend to be Alex Jones and he was then replaced by a DARPA spy. Okay.

Let's actually go with Russ and agent. Why not? Sure. Let's go with Russian agent who had a swastika tattooed on his forehead. That way he could differentiate himself from the real Charles Manson. So when the fake one dies, Charles Manson, who is now living as Alex Jones, goes on to his show and tries to rehab his image. Exactly.

Gives himself an entirely new narrative. Exactly. Interesting. I think we found that they're saying the same shit. As realistic as anything Alex is saying on this episode. Yeah. No kidding. So Alex.

Who's there? Is somebody there? It's me. Call me Charlie. Manson. Hold on a second. Call me Charlie. Why are you holding up a mirror right now?

Alex you busted. Oh no. Haven't done that in a long time. That's been a while. So anyway, Alex last week. Is there a reason we haven't done that one in a long time? I feel like there is. Got rusty.

So last week, Alex Jones did a 36 hour marathon. Yes. He needed money. I recall. Money bomb. The people, some people made fun of him quite a bit. Vice did an article that we discussed. Yep.

That covered all of the wrong aspects of it. Yep. And it turns out Alex is going to do another marathon next week. Mostly motivated out of spite. We're going to have a 34 hour live broadcast next week again. Because vice and others didn't like that. So we're going to do another one. It was very popular.

About a million and a half new listeners and viewers during that. So it's very, very successful to reach out to new people. We're going to start doing those since they don't like them and try to demoralize us. That's coming up on Monday. That's just, I need money. I mean, there's no other. Why would you even try and hide it under that veneer of like,

we're doing this not because I need money. We're doing this because I want to troll these assholes. To the chat room, I see a question. Those posters that are behind me are, in fact, the foods that should not eat to get gir. That is what those are. The old time freezing point reference that will never be explained. Yes.

Actually, I think we did do an episode wherein we explained, or at least we talked about those. Yeah. Maybe. Go back through the archives policy. Wonks and maybe you'll find eventually us talking about the food that you shouldn't eat to get gir. Now, let me tell you, don't eat a pigeon with an ice lolly.

It's a bad idea. It'll give you asthma. Let me tell you something. Ice cream, ginger salad, dead. There's a bunch of things you can't eat with jinkle beans. I know that much. I don't know what a jinkle bean is, but anyway. I'll tell you this.

I don't know what a mangosteen is. You don't know what mangosteen is? What's a mangosteen? All I know is that maybe 12 years ago, Ludacris was on Twitter yelling about mangosteen, and Aziz Ansari was trying to get him to not take mangosteen. Apparently there's some dangers. It'll give you some.

Anyway, I'm just a big fan of neem leaf and chicken egg giving you rheumatism. Rheumatism, man. Don't fuck with it. So anyway, in this next, we're done with Charles Manson, buddy. Oh, thank God. No, that's not a good thing.

No, that's not a good thing. Are you sure? I'm not even going to introduce this clip. This is a mic down. Yeah. And we have Simon Roche on who is a prominent activist and individual who's been exposing the massive white genocide in South Africa, in Zimbabwe, in many of these other African countries,

where everybody's now basically starving to death. They have an epic Weimar Republican flation because they've driven any infrastructure out. It's just a thing of conquest. So South Africans hold Black Monday protest over white farmer murders. That's Newsweek. Murders of white farmers sparked protests in South Africa.

That's CBS News. Epidemic of South African farm murders continues as gunman shoot elderly victims dead. Now, these are groups of A and C connected Black communists doing it. So the whole Black Lives Matter thing. It's like international. Oh boy.

Oh boy. This is trouble. You can pick your mic back up now if you like. Alex has this guy, Simon Roche on to talk about white genocide in South Africa. You know what's interesting? My girlfriend actually grew up in South Africa. She did.

She lived through the end of apartheid. She lived through the end of apartheid. Yeah. So I do not have any thoughts. I have no thoughts about it whatsoever. Jesus Christ. Let's cheers. Jesus Christ.

Oh, fucking Christ. The gall to even be like, hey, I can't believe Black people are angry at white people in these countries. The chrome-plated balls on these fuckheads. This is astonishing. Right. It's pretty crazy. Look.

Look. Here's the only thing. Guess what? Guess what? I want you to say whatever you're about to say. But I also want you to know that the situation they're talking about specifically is crazier than you think. Okay.

But go ahead. What I want to say is if there is any place in the world where you could look at white genocide happening and be like, I guess that's fine. It would be those two places. But you have a soft no. I'm a soft no. But in those two places, you got to be a little bit like, okay, guys, you shouldn't do it. Okay.

But I get it. So Alex didn't read this article. Of course not. I'm going to read an article about this Black, what was it? Black Friday? Black Monday? Whatever. Who cares?

It is not at all what he's talking about. Oh boy. And he is being misled by this guy who's coming on. Right. Who is a part of what would amount to a militia group. That's not good. For white people. That's not good.

Yeah. Very heavily armed and we'll get to some of their craziness here in a little bit. All right. But let me just read this article to you. So before you read it, just recap the story that we were told. Okay. We were told that white farmers were killed, were killed by A and C Black militia groups, which is what Black Lives Matter and he's implying a connection to Black Lives Matter

worldwide. So that is Alex Jones's interpretation. And I guarantee you that as Dan reads this article, it will line up perfectly with truth. This is an article from Al Jazeera here. Most white farmers across South Africa don black clothing and gathered on motorways and roads in a procession of tractors and trucks to protest against what they described as a weak state response to farm murders. The racially charged protest, very few rallying were not white, comes days after two white

farmers were sentenced to more than 10 years in jail for assaulting a black man in a case that has also stirred racial tensions. Interesting that that's what the protest was about, not what Alex is actually even describing. White commercial farmers have long complained that they bear the brunt of rising violent crime and say the government ignores their plight. So what do you think so far? What I think so far is that perhaps Alex did not read this article. I'm going to go on in the article.

Earlier in 2017, Africa Check, which is a fact checking political organization, said since there were no reliable estimates on how many people were working and living on farms and it was close to impossible to calculate a farm murder rate. It also laid rest to accusations that a white genocide was unfolding in the country after Mike Cernovich, a prominent American white supremacist, tweeted in late 2016 that quote, white genocide is real in South Africa. Here is an interesting other quote from a guy named Gareth Newham, who's the head of governance, crime and justice division.

Again, even if it was, you'd kind of be like, I get it. So this guy, Gareth Newham is the head of the governance, crime and justice division of the Pretoria based Institute for security studies. Quote, within the white farming community, there are white right wing sentiments and a belief that these attacks are orchestrated and they've been lobbying European countries, which has only resulted in a politic politicization of the issue. But they think it's only them and that's a mistake. Of course, their concerns vis-a-vis murders, violence, their concerns are serious, but

they also need to appreciate that it is a national issue. Though claims of a white genocide continue to circulate on social media with memes calling on the world to act and stop whites being murdered en masse, these have been met mostly with ridicule by most South Africans. Last week, the South African police service released its annual stats of crime and found that there were more than 19,000 murders in the country or 34 murders per 100,000 people between 2015 and 2016. Not bad.

Quote, if you want to ascertain through statistics who are the most likely to be murdered in South Africa, then those are young black males, Gareth Newham told Al Jazeera. For some bit of context, white South Africans make up 1.8% of the country's murders while being under 9% of the population. Statistically, they have a shockingly lower than expected murder rate. So, Mike Cernovich. But thank God that one of our cast of lunatic characters saved the day by being a fucking racist pile of garbage.

I'm not sure, I don't have this article pulled up anymore, but I found a very interesting thing about this guy, Simon Roche, apparently what he has done, he is a part of a group called the Sweetlanders, and I'm not pronouncing that correct. That's already, I'm already out. It means Southlanders, and they are a group that is militarizing. They believe that a race war is coming and that they are going to be the victims of it. So, essentially he's having Charles Manson on a show. Yep.

Ironic on the day after Charles Manson dies. Of course. Okay, here's the article. This is an article on a website called AngryWhiteMen.org, which is dedicated to tracking the connections within the white supremacist alt-right world. And it's... Oh, because it sounds like it could be a very different website. It could be on the other side of it.

It's really interesting, I'll post a link up to it because I don't have time to go through all of it. But one of the things that's really fascinating is if you do the kind of research that this website has done, you see a very focused and intentional campaign on the part of Simon Roche and other members of the Sweetlanders to approach really, really fucked up versions of the right wing. And get them to try and publicize and fundraise for them to the extent that they even have a recording of a phone call.

This guy... Man, I'm sorry, I really should have prepared this a little bit better. Does Simon Roche have a Africana accent? He's South African, right? Yeah. Okay. So, does he have an Africana accent? I believe so.

Yeah, it's a little... It's close to Australian even. Yeah. Yeah. It's very similar to the New Zealand accent. So, I'll just read here from this blog because this is specifically about Simon Roche. The founder of this other nationalist blog, Occidental Descent, Brad Griffin, has penned a number of inflammatory articles under the pseudonym Hunter Wallace.

In 2012, for example, he wrote that, quote, Hitler was justified in conquering Norway and claimed that in 150 years mass murderer Anders Brevik will be viewed as, quote, the European John Brown. Don't support Anders Brevik. It's rough. In a March 16, 2017 post, Griffin wrote that he was contacted by a representative of the Swede landers. He explained that he had received several calls from an unknown number.

When he finally answered the phone, a gentleman by the name of Simon Roche introduced himself and informed him that an acquaintance passed Griffin's number to him. Later, he revealed that he accidentally recorded the conversation between him and Roche and posted the audio on his blog as proof. During the call, a portion of which is included here on this website, Roche explains that he and other swede landers are currently touring the US as part of a fundraising mission. Roche says that he was hoping Griffin would cover the swede landers organization on his blog.

Griffin agrees, telling Roche that he has, quote, written a few things about the crazy situation going on in Southern Africa. So there's a bunch of connections here that are intentionally made with white nationalist blogs. And that's not a coincidence. One thing that's really, it's really important to remember, and it's actually really hard to remember is that apartheid didn't end a long time ago. Like I said, my girlfriend lived through the end of apartheid.

She is not 40 years older than me. You do like them old. I do like them older though. It's insane because of course, listen to these assholes, you can tell that it's that same white victimization that comes from them discovering, oh no, we don't run the world anymore. It's so much more fucked up than that. So I'm going to finish this article in Al Jazeera, and then we'll jump back into Alex's interview with him.

So Jillian Godsell, a lecturer at the Witt School of Governance, told Al Jazeera... Jillian? Is it with a G? Yeah. So it's probably Gillian. Maybe. I don't care. Gillian.

She told Al Jazeera that the claim of rising farm murders was a, quote, proxy for something else. Quote, I don't think this is about murders. The number of deaths, we don't know if there are whites or black farmers who are killed. Some say 30% of those murdered were black workers. People seem to be grieving for much more than these deaths. People are grieving about change in this country. Yeah, the end of apartheid.

Now here are two things that are very, very relevant. A lot of these farmers were flying apartheid-era flags. Who would have guessed? That is not about farm rights or whatever. That is about wanting to go back to a status quo wherein you had all the power over another group of people. Again, even if it was a white genocide, you'd be like, I get it. Here is another fact and a stat that is very important.

According to a recent land audit, white Southern Africans are 8.9% of the population and they own 73% of the agricultural land. Yeah. Yeah. Still. Yeah. It's a very interesting thing. That's fucked up.

In that even at the end of apartheid, the compassion that was shown to this very, very small minority. Yep. It's ridiculous. God. I mean, again. It's absurd. Look, one of the reasons I'm a soft no on white genocide is because of that. Every time that white people have finally had to relinquish all of the power and only

had most of the power, they've been treated with such, such compassion. It's bananas. Yep. So all that stuff which they would never have shown, which they have historically never shown. No. Not when they needed to. I like how I'm calling white people.

They. Right. Well, I think I think at this point I've proven that I'm a self hating white person. Right. But the issue comes down to that this is not about any kind of idea of white genocide. No. It's not about farmer murders. And I actually looked it up.

Even the reported statistics that they can find about farmers that are murdered are down. The peak of them were in the late 90s. Well, in the same way that crime in the United States has been significantly dropping ever since the 60s. Yeah. Like it has been consistent. That one of the easiest ways to stoke white fear is by acting as though crime slash black crime is what's really causing all of your issues.

The knockout game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all the same bullshit. This whole thing, even the protest as Alex described it is that this is against the murders of farm workers and the protest was about white people hurting people and how that should

be fine. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm back against this. Of course. Nonsense.

And like again, as that article made very clear and I completely agree with it, the concern over violence and murder rates are real. That's something that's real. Yeah. But personalizing it and making it your victim narrative is wrong because it's a national problem. Right. And statistically as it's shown there, 1.8% of the murders are white people.

And it's the same thing here. The statistics are not interracial murder as an issue. Generally speaking, murder is within each. You're a core. Like if you're a white person, you're 90% plus likely to be murdered by a white person. Generally people you know. Yeah. So great.

Anyway, this interview is hot garbage. Yeah. So I haven't included most of it. Thank you. We don't need to listen to this fucking asshole. Thank God. But here is Alex saying one of the worst things ever. But I mean, explain what's happening there when we come back from break and the emergency

plan because as you said, already South Africa is one of the highest crime rates in the world. It's collapsing. The populations are just killing each other in mass. People believe if you rape a baby, if you have HIV, it makes you well. I mean, it's just descending back into absolute barbarism. And I got to ask you, why not just evacuate and then it's very sad these folks will all just kill each other? For whatever reason, it's very, very sad.

We'll be right back. Stay with us. Fuck you with your very, very sad nonsense. Alex. Hey, white people, evacuate. Right. Evacuate. Yeah.

That's his argument. Yeah. You know what that argument is very similar to? And then the black people will just kill each other because they can't control themselves. You know what that argument is very similar to? Nazi church? Exactly. No, no, no, look, we don't want to cleanse the racist anymore.

We just think that Europe should be for Europeans. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So white people evacuate to Europe. That's almost in reverse. That's literal white nationalism. That's literal white nationalism.

That's ethno states. Also, that is nonsense. Also if you want to talk about rape issues in Africa, do you want to know the largest number of rape cases and what causes those race cases? Hey, well, Jordan explains this, I'm going to get another beer. The significant issue with rape in Africa is it's not fucking racial or child based. It's religion. Christianity.

It's a Christianity that was spread by, you guessed it, Americans going over there because okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is something that really fucking pisses me off because we've talked about it in the past. Okay, I'm sorry. No, no, no, it's a point that's worth bringing up. It's because whenever that fucking brand of Christianity, that fucking, and that narrative

is homophobic brand of Christianity was no longer as accepted, even though it's still very accepted here. When it was no longer as accepted, those fuckers decided, no, no, no, no, you know what? We're going to go to Africa and we're going to run that fucking place. It's kind of like what the pilgrims did here. I know. Fucking infuriating. How dare you?

Hold on. The chat room made a really good point. What's that? I have neighbors. Fair enough. I'm sorry. So I'm actually more sorry to the chat room that I have to you. I did think that that was probably one of the things that was going to set you off the

most and just I'm so fucking ridiculous. Just the fucking idea that Alex wouldn't have the wherewithal wouldn't have the awareness, the knowledge, the self reflection to know what he was saying. Like, I don't believe that. I don't believe he would be so glib and loose lipped as to say, why don't white people just leave and let the blacks kill each other. Like he knows what he's saying. That's not a stray comment.

And guess what? That's a big part of the Sweetlanders sort of ideology. They know or they know. They believe that at some point they're going to have to evacuate, especially the cities. That's part of why they go around and raise tons of money because they need to have enough fuel and they need to have guns and all that shit. And so Alex is having this guy on and he's not reading the articles or the statistics or anything about the underpinnings of the argument, but he knows who this guy is to

some extent. He has to or at least he's gotten a call from Cernovich or one of these guys and be like, you got to talk to this guy. He's up on shit. Tommy Robinson gave him a call or some shit as did Tommy Davidson. This Sweetlanders are big. Every time you say Tommy Robinson, I think of that. Okay.

Interesting thought experiment. Also to the chat room. Roommates are okay. The people who live upstairs for me probably not great. I'm sorry about that. I think they have children. I'm sorry. I thought that was the Airbnb assholes.

Not always. All right. It's only 9.23. They can deal with some yelling. It's not like it's a weeknight. Okay. Good point. I have to work tomorrow morning too.

Right. Okay. Thought experiment. Right. If you are a white nationalist, what if we just gave you a nation? Because in all honesty, think about this very seriously. You can have French Guiana. Very seriously.

Or Guiana. Where did Jim Jones go? You can have that place. Yeah. It's cursed. In reality, most white people aren't white nationalists. True. Most white people are at the very least some sort of latent racist.

Like I, there's no way to completely wash out my implicit bias. There's constantly conceptions that you need to. Yeah. You have to continue to reevaluate yourself as you go through this. So I experience certain forms of racism within me and I go, oh, fuck me. Sure. I appreciate it. It's just from the way that you were raised and the culture that you're raised in.

So the people who are out and out white nationalists, if their argument is when we leave, we'll just let them kill each other, all honesty. If we let them leave, wouldn't those people just wind up killing each other? They'd probably find a new version of separation. Yeah, exactly. Like blue eyes and green eyes or something like the hair color or something. Those are the type of people who are going to get into a small group and then go, well, we're not racially pure enough.

Right. There's going to be some new division that needs to come up. There always is a fight in the same way that Alex Jones won the presidency, quote unquote, and still has to be the victim. Right. The white nationalists will go and have their own country and they'd still be like, got to scapegoat that ginger over there. When your entire ideology is based on purity, then there is always going to be an escalation

of what purity is because purity can never exist without the impure and that's always the issue there. They're always going to try and continue to escalate their purity and find that perfect little diamond of white until everybody's dead but the one guy. So if their argument is everybody else is going to kill each other once we leave, let's let them leave. Yeah. And then when they kill each other, we'll be like, haha, I got you guys.

You're the ones who are dumb. Yeah. I mean, no matter what, we can just put a pin in it with this is intense bigotry and Alex Jones is no leg to stand on in terms of not harboring white nationalist opinions and beliefs, pretending that he doesn't know that his audience is very white nationalist or that the guests that he has on very white. So let's get the taste out of our mouth real quick. Here's a commercial.

Okay. God, you have curated these to bring me up and then down like a Chuck Van Jonen song. So you're playing me like a drum solo. That's what you're doing right now. So this is from a commercial where he reads reviews of the products from the website. All right. Now I'm having fun at this. I want to I want to throw something every time I hear this.

It plays like three times per episode at this. This little snippet is just like, fuck you, Alex, go fuck yourself, continuing with silver bullet the highest quality 30 parts per million colloidal silver out there jail should be called magic bullet. Oh my gosh. The listeners are smarter than me and I'm not being patronizing. I've been become that's what a silver bullet's supposed to be, though, kind of listeners are so smarter than me.

I'm not being every time he does that. I'm not trying to brag. I'm not being patronizing. It's like, I'm not being patronizing, but that's kind of what a silver bullet is exactly what you're doing. Jesus. What a dick. What a fucking asshole.

He's just being a dick to his own audience who write these reviews for him. It's so weird how it seems as though he bumps in and out of self-awareness. Like he's the least self-aware. That's out. See, I feel like though he has to on some level know that he's trolling when he says that because he's doing, he's doing the, I'm not trying to brag. I think he's rushing because this is one take Jones. Okay.

He doesn't have time to record this. This is L Ron Hubbard, first draft, last draft, get it out the door, baby. Undoubtedly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So now let's get back to this South African Swede lander.

Great. Yeah. Jordan. Yeah. You might think, what might I think, Dan? This is so, this is so hard for me because I know what's coming. This is very hard for me. Here's the problem.

You've built this up so much. I almost have to not get angry in response to that. No, this won't, this won't make you mad. Okay. This is just going to baffle me. The fever has broken in terms of this part. Okay. There's something else that'll make you mad later, but in terms of the South African

stuff, I think we're in the clear and now we just, does he ever say Swede lander? He does. It's not pronounced like that. No. It's like stuff lander or something like that. Yeah. That's what I was. It's SUID.

I just don't, I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't care. I don't care to respect them either. Quite frankly. Fuck off. Fair enough. Yes. Their beliefs are based on, I don't know, misinterpreted history.

You might think that they're based on pure racial hatred. No. You might think that they're based on any number of things. I kind of think they're based on Denny's placemats. You could never guess what they're based on. Okay. You know, we hold to a series of prophecies that said this crisis, the prophecies given a hundred years ago will occur at a time when a man with a place-scale faith, that is to

say, hair resembling a wig, will be in power in the United States, and he will take over the reins of power from a black man. And there are various other things. I won't go on and on and on about it, but the point is that we are devoted to an ancient culture, an ancient... Well, that's intriguing though, because I want to hear about this prophecy. A man with a wig. Alex Jones has a guy on his show who's motivated to make a militia.

To be fair, Simon Roche is not in charge of the group. He's not in charge of the group, but... Who wrote that prophecy? And why doesn't he have all of our money? Okay. That is the most specific prophecy I have ever heard in my entire life. This guy's name is Nikolas Peter Johannes, Jean-Steurensburg, also known as Siener von Rensburg, which is the seer of Rensburg.

Okay. And I've done a bunch of... I've done a bit of research into him. Let me give you the book. Dan, do not ruin this for me. That man is unequivocally a genius. If he wrote that prophecy, that is the most brilliant thing anyone has ever done. I believe in clairvoyance right now, Dan.

I found a book of his prophecies. Okay. He's got a book of his prophecies. When did he live? A hundred years ago? Yeah. He died in 1926. And he's still writing books of prophecy.

They were still writing books of prophecies back then? Someone collected something or other. I'm in. I'm in. I believe in this. I can't find that prophecy. I will tell you that. This one might be Simon Riffing.

This one I cannot find. When a man with the hair that looks like a wig takes over for a black man. I will give you one. Here's one of his 1916, August 1916. Here's one of his prophecies. I see a terrified woman in black and the interpretation of that is the death and destruction of communism coming to the West. So it's that level of prophecy.

That's reading into it real hard. It's that much of a stretch. Yeah. But I mean, if he got the dude with the wig taking over for a black man. Again, I can't find that. Dan, let me believe. I don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in God.

I want to believe in this almost certainly racist pile of garbage. Well, here's the deal. So he was a South African guy and African or yeah, and he was involved in, you know, some he was involved in the Boer war. That's not good. I'm sure he was on the right side of that. I'm not sure if he was. I don't think so.

But he was sort of not, he was not a good soldier and he had these visions. And so he got sent home and then he came back to try and warn people and he gained sort of a reputation for being right. He had some hunches about military stuff and he ended up being right about some stuff, which is what you could do with any amount of basic research. You could, you could, especially in the Boer war. You could certainly. That was one of the dumber wars in history.

Nobody did a good job in that war. I don't want to get too into his, his whole history because it just, there's not a ton of information that I could find and it, it's all, it's all cockamamie bullshit. It's all just like it's hearsay from the people who want to support him. But like, we know, again, the wind, the wig replacing a black man, a white man, I cannot find that like a wig takes over for a black man. I cannot find that prophecy. Also my Africana accent dead on.

So here's the thing that is interesting throughout most of his prophecies. Just real quick, the way to an Africana accent. Just say bleak. That's all you have to do. You've got it. Great. Nailed it. Did your girlfriend teach you that?

No. Okay. I got in a year. Okay. You're like an Alex Jones of impressions. So this guy was an Africana in, he died in 1926. Good. He was making predictions through up to his death.

Okay. One of the pretty consistent threads throughout a lot of his prophecies were about the rise of Germany. Yeah. Well, I mean, if he made them before 1930. In a positive light. As a good thing? Yes.

Yeah. Hey, these white dudes are going to fucking rise. No. No, no. I was like a very positive thing. Okay. Did he get the dates right? No.

And he didn't have any dates. But the thing. That's the problem with prophecy. The interpretation. This is why I don't believe in it. The interpretation that's given of a lot of it is that like the U.S. and Germany will have to be on the same side in World War three. That's a way of getting around the idea that it had anything to do with World War two.

But you saw there at the end, I mean, and again, if you do some basic research, you could have expected that the U.S. would have joined the way would have joined Germany in World War two. Sure. It is kind of surprising if you look at the United States history to see us on the right side of history. So this guy named Gustav Mueller, he was a guy who was in the the service in in South Africa as it were back in back in the day.

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D. M. D. D. D. D. D. I think what's really new is the idea that there are so many people who are shocked by it. To me, that's what I find to be a new development.

Interesting. That is such a large pop. Because, and that's part of the rewriting of the American legend, is the idea that every time we go back through our history, we rewrite how it is that we thought most people felt. Yeah. People in the United States now, imagine themselves, were they in the 60s, they would have supported Martin Luther King Jr. And you have to go back and remember that the polls on that were far less than 30%. So, to me, the newest idea is that people are on the side of, you're wrong. It's just that their voices are so loud because of the Internet. And maybe that's the inevitable response to the mainstreaming of these voices. Exactly.

You have more people who are shocked and they realize like, this has been here all along. Right. It's like tearing open your wall and finding out there's mold. So much. There's so many bugs escaping when you pull that rock up. Yeah. And that's what, I think that's what we're really doing. And that's why this, like, there's an argument to be made that I don't necessarily agree with. But it is that when these people do come out, because their signal is so loud, so many people do examine themselves and go, that is wrong.

So if you are going to say, you know, is it a, I'm not going to argue that it's a good thing that their voices are so loud right now. No. But it is something that has made a lot of people who otherwise would have assumed their racism as being okay, actually examine that their racism is not okay. They see these fucking assholes doing it. Yeah. There's, there's, there's an argument to be made there. Yeah. But also I think the other thing that I think Stefan Malinu is correct about is the idea that there's too many interconnected networks now of these people who are self reinforcing and reinforcing each other.

I agree with that. Like if, if, you know, someone were to attack Stefan Malinu, Alex would defend him and Cernovich would defend him and Jack Pasobiec would defend him. Right. Rebel media, if they still even exist. Right. Or Gavin McGinnis. Yeah. And Laura Loomer, all of these people would come with their social media followings and try and make it the biggest story in the world.

Right. And in a way that if they weren't a team altogether, it wouldn't, it wouldn't work. To continue my metaphor, in this regard, when you pull up that rock, all the bugs don't scatter. They're all connected and they're ready to fight you. It's a rat king. It's a rat king. Yeah. That's what we have discovered.

A nest of rats who are fucking unified, which is terrifying. It's not great. Yeah. So, uh, Stefan Malinu can fuck himself. But also, there's one last clip that I pulled from him and it's fun because he's stupid and he's trying to sound smart and it'll be fun to make fun of him because he's so stupid. So the most important thing I think in this area, Alex, is something called the Pareto principle, which everyone needs to become familiar with. The Pareto principle goes something like this. The square root of the number of people produces half the value of that group.

So if you've got nine people, three people are producing half the value, right? If you have a hundred people, 10 people, if you have 10,000 people in the company, 100 people are producing half the value. Now, if you have a company. I want to stop already. The Pareto principle is based on the idea of the 80-20 rule where 80% of your output comes from 20% of your input. It was a guy in Italy who was stumbling around and realized that 80% of the land was owned by 20% of the people. And that's how he came up with this observation and people have universalized it in a very bad way. Right, right.

So it's not even about square roots. If you apply science, you go, well, that's fucking dumb. Well, but even his numbers are wrong. He's telling everyone to get familiar with it. You should get familiar with them all. Yeah. Where smart people start to leave for whatever reason, then the smartest people leave, it means that the company productivity goes down enormously. If you get the top hundred people leaving.

Okay, you still have 9,900 workers in a 10,000 worker company, but half your productivity is gone. This is why people become rich and other people middle class, other people are poor. There's a bell curve of productivity. Think of the third world. Western civilization rests on the brains, hearts, minds and muscle of maybe 2,000 people. Maybe. Maybe 2,000 people who innovated, who reasoned, who took risks, who scientifically, philosophically, economically moved us all forward. In the third world, there are a small number of people who can reform the third world and make it into a better place.

Now, if the West comes along with the giant immigration suction machine, hoover us those people up from the third world, and if the top 1% of smart people from the third world end up in the first world, what happens? The third world becomes catastrophically worse, and that means the next tier of people are desperate to get out and make it to the first world. And then there's a meltdown. And then the third tier of people, and we end up with a complete disaster and everyone migrating to Europe, the destruction of the welfare state, the undermining of Western civilization, all because the West could not resist the temptation of having instant taxpayers hoovered in from the third world and gave up on having children of their own. Absolutely beautifully said.

Absolutely beautifully said on Alex's response there. I mean, and it's fitting that he ends it with ideas about white breeding. Yep. Because it's what it comes down to. But I mean, you nailed it. The point I wanted to make is this is just washed over Ayn Rand bullshit. Yeah. And he's even best representing the Pareto principle in order to apply it to this weird Ayn Randian vision of,

and let's really be fucking clear about this. This idea that these hundred people at this company are responsible for half of the productivity is a cockamamie nonsense idea. That idea, and if you want to apply it on a macro scale to civilization that like only these 2,000 people are really responsible for the productivity, no, it's not. They are the ones who are running the system wherein everyone is working super hard for nothing. Yeah. You get rid of those fucking people. Do you want to go through what really happens?

What really happens is you find out that those fucking CEOs and those fucking idiots mean nothing. Right. They are worthless. Yeah. This is what happens when you see like the easiest examples for that are the NBA strikes. Sure. Like the owners imagine that it's because they control the league. If the players actually have a strong union, all of a sudden you find out,

we don't actually need those fuckers at all. No. We're the ones who provide revenue and they fucking suck blood off of it. So in that, if you want to go by blood libel bullshit. In that example, 80% is creating 80% of the productivity in the basketball team. I would argue that 80% is creating 100% of the value. Probably because they're all the people who are like, you know, maintaining the court and running concessions. Oh, no.

I know. There's a great deal of other people who are just forgotten in his stupid fucking calculus. But I'm lumping them in with the players. Sure. Like they wouldn't be in that. That's the biggest issue. Maybe a different union. They should be in that.

Different union. Like the entire concessionist union. But that gets me back again to a, I feel like we should have a universal union at this point. I don't give a fuck about governments. I think we workers union. I think we generally need a workers union. It's called socialism. Imagine if we could collect.

That's kind of what that is. Imagine we could collectively bargain with the rich. Like that's ostensibly what a democracy is supposed to be. It's supposed to be a large group of people collectively bargaining with the rich. Well, it's one of the nice things. With what you would call the ruling class. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's one of the nice things that we're starting to see out of the world

today is some sort of, you know, connection between unions and them supporting each other much in the same way that Stefan Molyneux and Alex Jones support each other. Well, the problem is we're not seeing that union membership. Union membership continues to fall. No, but that's true. But at the same time, there are connections being made between various unions supporting each other. The most recent things that I read about the AFL-CIO, which is supposed to be that, is

that everyone is confused as to why union membership is dropping even as they don't realize that they're not doing any outreach and that the big issue within those unions often comes down to job specific unions. Like, pipe fitters unions should strike if, you know. Mason. I mean, like bricklayers. Yeah. No, I know.

Or the largest unions are car manufacturing unions. Like, if the car manufacturers union strikes, pipe fitters should strike. And all of a sudden, you start to see a lot of things change. Like one of the biggest issues is that as unions fall, wages fall. And nobody fucking talks about that, which is the only thing people should fucking talk about with labor. Because the talking point is so much easier that you have to pay dues and all that stuff, which is so much more of an immediate concern that people have, that it makes it feel like

I will make less money not looking at the long game. It's a penny-wise pound foolish. Every right to work law has led to lower wages, not just in the unions, but in the entire state. If teachers make more money, you will wind up making more money. That is always the case. It's a trickle-around effect. Exactly.

Exactly. When you go, top down is ineffective. When you go bottom up all of a sudden, people start to, wealth is no longer concentrated at the top. Yeah. Absolutely. So that brings us to the end of this episode. Stefan Malinou sucks.

I really think that there is a really interesting narrative that ran through this episode accidentally. Right. And that's one of the reasons why I really needed to do the episode, even though, spoiler alert for those listening, we've done episodes the last two days. We're three days in a row. Yeah. We're on a real run here. Yeah.

Yeah. But the reason I needed to do it was the idea that he started with this weird apologizing for Charles Manson kind of narrative when the reality is that he was someone who maybe wasn't entirely motivated by racism, but had a bunch of it in him and was a fucking crazy cult leader. That was his game. And then later, he has this fucking South African guy who's afraid of white genocide. There's such a weird mirror there.

When a white man with hair that looks like a wig. That's so nuts. Takes over for a black president. Fantastic. Those two things, like as a A, like a A and B are insane to exist on the same show. Yeah. I don't understand why this show exists. I know.

I mean, our show and his show, quite frankly. We have been doing this for a year and I still don't know how this exists, period. Yeah. And how anyone listens. I mean, I know that a lot of the audience is bots as we've discovered on our last episode. At least half of the audience considering the way that he described it. I mean, who knows where the growth came after that. It's possible that he had organic growth that spawned out of that.

It's possible. But at least like eight or nine million are fake. But anyway, because this has been such a rough road of racism. I feel like we did an all right job of making you talk. You screamed through a bit of it. I didn't scream through all of it. Not all of it. It was less than I expected.

You're going to have to. Yeah. You, you promised that later on in the episode, I would get angry and I did not. Yes, you did. Okay. I got pretty angry, but not all the way with the white people should escape. All right. You screamed for half a minute.

All right. Two minutes. That's true. But anyway, to make everyone feel better, I'd like to just end with this. I love this song. Four stars. Go home and call your mother. Well, I love that song too.

All right, Alex. White nationalist fuck. Oh man. So anyway, if you'd like to check us out, we have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Yeah, we have a more regular concept. We're updating it every day now. On Facebook.

Yeah. We are on Twitter. If you'd like to follow us, it's at knowledge underscore. And then there's a fight after that. You can go to iTunes. You can subscribe. Yep. That's true.

You could leave a review because apparently algorithms matter. Sure. I've heard of those. And then. Beyond that. If you want to become a policy wonk and support the show. Right. We forgot to do that up top.

We have a new policy wonk, but since we didn't do it up top, we've got to do it next episode. I feel bad about that. Okay. I'm sorry. No, I forgot. But then I am not. If you would like to be not forgotten next episode, go to our website,

knowledgefight.com. You can click this support the show. That's in bad cell. It's not great. It's a bad cell. It's as good as I can do right now. But beyond that. So, I mean, we've run the gamut.

Yeah. In Rand mutators. Right. Cult leaders from the 60s. Union talk. I'm just talking about the specific people. Dan. African.

Quick question. White nationalist South Africans. Not good. Cult leader from the 60s. Also not good. Cult leader from Malinu. Cult leader from the 1920s. Cult leader from now.

Yeah. Cult leader from now. Alex Jones. Yeah. It's a bad group of people that we're talking about today. Yeah. Today was rough. Yeah.

Quick question. All right. Within our podcast dynamic. Yep. Who is labor and who is management? Should I unionize against you? I think I'm mad. Am I not being paid enough?

I'm management, but I'm cool management. I would not. I think the issue is that neither of us are being paid enough. That's true. I would like for you and Drufki to unionize. And Cthulhu. Yeah. If we get together.

Insulin. This motherfucker. We're going to come together. We're going to go on strike. Oh no. Look. This is tough. Look.

Every episode you've done by yourself. Cthulhu has been here. Imagine if there was no Cthulhu. Imagine if it was just one camera of you talking. I'd put something else weird there. I don't know what it would be, but I'd put something. I'm going to put it. We're going to all put together.

Yeah. All right. So even those, the food that should meet to get to our, we're going to unionize. Oh boy. This is going to be tough for me. It's going to be rough. Pay insurance.

You guys better donate. That's our new pitch. Jordan is unionizing with Cthulhu. You better donate. Better pitch than we've had before. That's true. Oh God. You know who won't unionize then?

That was what I was trying to get to. There we go. All right. I know I was trying to lead you into it. Do you want to take the reins on this one? I thought you were going to, cause you asked me a question. I know, but I was just, I was just saying, you know, like I was leading you into it.

All right. There is a guy. Yes. There's a guy. There's a guy. Notorious union buster. There's a man. He got into so many union busting scraps.

Oh yeah. He lost all his teeth. Oh no. Yeah. He's a scab. He's a scab. He's a scab. And he'd get his ass kicked.

Just getting beat up. That motherfucker. Just getting beat up on every picket line. And that's how we lost all his teeth. Oh, okay. And now. He unfortunately also in one of those beatings that he took outside one of these, these picket lines.

Yeah. He lost the ability to raise his arms further than this high. Ooh. This high. Is it John McCain? No, it's not. It's not, but he can only do this high. That means that if you wanted to like hang a picture.

Exactly. He just couldn't get it up there. Couldn't do it. Couldn't get it up there. And that is why, although I have sympathy for your physical ailments that have come from your union busting activity, I still must say, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. That was an accident. Thank you.

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